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First for TFA is fine. The Prequels are fine. The EU is fine.
Rabid fanboys on the internet are fucking cancer though.
Why do Jedis always run from their problems? I don't get how they policed for any amount of time
>yfw there are people who STILL ASSUME SHIT FROM THE EU (KOTOR/Shadows of the Empire/Clone Wars 2003/Battlefront 2/etc) ARE STILL CANON
Seriously, how hard is it to understand '6 movies, TCW, anything made after 2012'?
Vote on which Soundtrack Covers I should use when I upload them.
There's very little the Jedi can do after Order 66 to keep themselves from being wanted criminals or killed for being Jedi.
Blame the TFA Visual Dictionary for the KOTOR shit. It's canon and it mentions some things from KOTOR games for the new canon. Some people don't understand that that doesn't bring the games in their entirety into canon yet.
>"Forgive me. I feel it again... the call from light. Supreme Leader senses it. Show me again, the power of the darkness, and I'll let nothing stand in our way. Show me, grandfather, and I will finish what you started."
It's like they wrote him knowing they had to have something for Kingdom Hearts III
Well KOTOR, or at least quite a few elements of it seem to be getting re-canonized to some degree. From the TFA visual guide we now know Taris is a thing and part of the Republic, and also that there was a "Great Scourge of Malachor" at some point in the past.
Wouldn't surprise me if they borrowed some plot elements for the trilogy as a whole as well at this point, like the whole mindwipe theory about Rey
>yfw they are all somehow related to prevent Romance.
>yfw they are all somehow related but they fall into some polygamous love triangle
Yeah I don't know why the guy who made these did that, since Jakku also only has 1 sun IIRC.
4th and 5th Rows are perfection.
They capture the essence of the films completely.
If you want to use it(if it doesn't end up winning the poll) it'll still be included in the Soundtracks MEGA in the Downloads pastebin with the rest of the variants.
Just use a program like mp3tag to change the covers to the variant you like.
The Jedi who gets killed by Kylo Ren in the vision looked like he was wearing the same kind of armor/outfit as Kota in fairness, but no, I don't think he'll ever come back. Maybe someone similar or based on his design, but not the same character.
I don't know what it is about Poe Dameron calling everyone 'buddy' but it makes me want to hang out with him and buy him a beer.
Why wasn't there more Poe in this movie? I need my bro.
GOAT fucking game but that force powers system was bullshit
>force deadly sight
irritating as shit
He has that look of someone who just saw their food ruined, but they weren't that hungry anyways so they're just kind of like 'Come on, are you fucking serious?' Like someone who just saw their McDonalds fries and coke fall to the ground in a mess as a worker was bringing them their food.
So, how about all those practical effects in TFA?
>mfw we get bit parts of Ewan and Hayden as Obi-Wan and Anakin's Force Ghosts respectively trying to console Luke and guide Rey in Episode VIII
Might feel weird seeing Ewan as Alec but I'd legitimately like to see them pull it off
Ewan into Alec was one of the most perfect casting choices I've ever seen with some make up they could do it. Or just retcon RotJ like they did with Hayden ghost and have Ewan Obi.
Went to go return something at the hardware store the other day, black guy in front of me is watching Star Wars: Rebels on his ipad.
They can use Alec again for Obi-Wan's looks. Disney recently made some technology to edit an actor's face to give them different expressions (that works pretty good by the way) so it wouldn't be that much of a stretch for them to take footage from the OT of him and edit it to make him look like he's saying new lines. The only thing in the way of that is his family might say no to it but I doubt it since he didn't hold a grudge against Lucasfilm or anything like that.
Will this second line shut some people up?
And was the picture used even in the movie?
I feel the only thing really in the way of that is the inevitable rage of OT purists
As well as respecting the dead, etc
But if it's a story element that can't work otherwise, can you really afford to bow to a rabid fanbase anymore than you already are?
Doesn't stop her from being a Mary Sue.
She's good with one weapon so I'm good with all. She's also a pilot, a mechanic, and can brute force her way into the mind of a trained force sensitive, along with beating him in combat.
They just establish that Force Ghosts can change their appearance to any time in their life or something. Problem solved.
They could also just make Ewan look like Alec from the OT via a combo of make up and CGI.
Maz was probably originally gonna meet Leia, but they seem to have cut her out of the movie after her castle was bombed.
Speaking of which, does the novelization say anything more about Maz? She sorta just disappears after they exit the sublevel.
You prefer the Empire reforming multiple times, Palpatine clones, and tons of other bullshit to the Empire withering away and eventually reforming as the First Order?
You know what.
I think fighting Finn and Rey was the first time Kylo had ever actually been in a lightsaber duel.
1.) His lightsaber is obviously a jury rigged immitation. Could be because he loves Vader, and/or also because Luke hasn't taught anyone how to actually make one and he had to try and figure it out himself.
2) None of the other Knights of Ren have lightsabers. You'd think that a bunch of guys who want to kill Jedi would benefit from having lightsabers instead of clubs/swords/blasters.
3) In the scene where he's kiling Jedi, none of them have lightsabers either. In fact, one of them is wielding a club. Ypu'd think a bunch of Jedi fighting for their lives would have some lightsabers.
I think that maybe Luke downplayed the Lightsaber thing, and instead focused his teachings on the Force.
As a result, Kylo is pretty handy with his force powers, but his lightsaber skills leave a bit to be desired- especially after he takes a shot to the gut.
I think that the biggest mistake is that this is 30 years later. Simply too much could have/would have happened, Thrawn immediately picking up the pieces was much better.
I'm still enjoying the first order, but its not as good as the Thrawn trilogy's vision for the future.
I'd say Mary Sue is a strong word, I'll give her sword fighting and mechanics, expert piloting is kind of a stretch though, even with the Skywalker genes.
Force training however is kinda silly, unless she really had her mind wiped.
At 0:58, that's Ewan saying "Rey" and then shortly after "These are the first steps.".
Originally it was gonna be James Arnold Taylor(TCW voice of Obi-Wan) but Ewan was able to do it. I'm guessing they originally weren't gonna get Ewan because of scheduling conflicts or something but he probably managed to make it work.
I thought it was great. The characters were interesting and likeable, and the story itself served the purpose of making me wonder how they got there and where they'd go next, despite it taking a lot of elements straight out of the OT.
In terms of quality I'd put it between the PT and the OT, and it's probably gonna be the same for the trilogy as a whole.
Remember that time a farm boy was the best pilot in the fleet and also happened to be pretty good with a brand new weapon?
Or what about the time a slave boy was the best pod racer on the planet and was a literal chosen one?
I think that TFA is better than ANH. ANH will always have more of a place in my heart for starting it all, but I feel like Kylo is a much better villain than Episode 4 Vader. Obviously Vader's character's made better in Episode 5 and 6, but looking only at the movies as isolated things, I think I enjoyed this one more than 4.
>Or what about the time a slave boy was the best pod racer on the planet and was a literal chosen one?
He wasn't just the best podracer, he also built his own podracer- the fastest in the galaxy- from scrap.
He was also a better fighter pilot than half of Naboo's royal air guard despite never setting foot inside one of their fighters ever in his life.
He originally did the Obi Wan line apparently, but they redid it.
Also, who did Dee Bradley Baker voice? I remember thinking someone sounded like him, then saw that he was listen in the credits.
Fantastic film, loved everything about it except for a few areas where some more exposition would have helped like in regards to the political situation involving the Republic and the First Order and whatnot. Just needed a bit more fleshing out the context, but otherwise the film is damn near perfect as far as I'm concerned. The new cast all knocked it out of the park, especially Adam Driver who's performance as Kylo Ren is outstanding. God tier villain and very compelling character to me.
I'll give piloting skills and martial ability, but, still, I feel just knowing how to do a Jedi mind trick, just because feels a little
forced. It would have made sense for her to have seen someone one else do it first.
I can overlook piloting and mechanical prowess, but its hard for me to defend the mind trick, along with the lightsaber combat.
At this point in time, we don't know if the mind wipe is true or not. Unless you can point me to sufficient evidence that hints to the contrary, it's nothing but a fan theory.
>getting zapped by a training droid
His first time using it - quickly got better
>loses a fucking arm
To the second strongest person in the galaxy.
Also way to ignore the rest of the post.
>Blame the TFA Visual Dictionary for the KOTOR shit. It's canon and it mentions some things from KOTOR games for the new canon. Some people don't understand that that doesn't bring the games in their entirety into canon yet.
It's not the VD's fault though. Anytime anything from KOTOR is mentioned you get a bunch of OMG THIS CONFIRMS IT'S CANON or RECANONIZATION AROUND THE CORNER GUYS idiots. Even something like Taris getting namedropped in Dark Disciple caused this reaction.
Should have put a comma after 'just because'.
I know it's a fan theory, that's why I didn't really hold it as being a credible reason for her to do the ability. However sometimes fan theories are right and all that on the other hand...
>actually I think its been confirmed that the one with the pole in the background is using a Saber Pike.
I think you mean a "force pike", which are the weapons the Red Guard had in RotJ. 'Cause there's no lightsaber blade anywhere else in that image.
So who gave Anakin his eyebrow scar? I know in the previous canon it was Ventress; is that still true?
Can't wait for the legos
No, if you look closely, you'll see there's a blade at the end of the pole, likely a halberd.
So apparently Kylo is 29-30 in TFA, which means
Han and Leia fucked soon after RotJ.
That also means he was 15 when he wiped out Luke's Academy, since Rey was 5 when she was left on Jakku according to Ridley.
He didn't build it from scrap, nor was it the fastest.
He just took an old one from Watto's shop and fixed it up to working order.
Lucas said Anakin slipped in the shower and got the scar, but didn't want to tell anyone. Probably not canon, but it's my preferred reason. It's such an Anakin thing.
Even in the comics it's shown that lightsabers are difficult to wield for those untrained in handling them. Whether or not you're sensitive to the Force, the blade isn't in a static position as it would be on a traditional sword, especially when you're actually moving it. Granted, I'll give Rey the benefit of her not actually wielding it as well as many people think. She used it more as a form of keepaway compared to Finn who'd actually been fighting quite well with it.
I gotta say though, the number of people on Reddit saying "THIS is how a lightsaber duel should be like, slow and heavy and EMOTIONAL not like the fucking faggot dances of the Prequels" without taking the time to realize that the duels of the Prequels were between seasoned masters of their craft trained to leave very little to no room for error whereas the duels we saw in TFA were between beleaguered relative amateurs is laughable. It's about on par with a lot of keyboard warriors talking shit against the functionality of kata in a "real fight" without actually understanding the very workings of kata
Granted, I will say that I'd actually like to see a duel or simple Jedi action reminiscent of Iaido as opposed to Western medieval sword fighting or Kendo. Of course, they can't end as quickly as an Iaido duel(which is pretty much over in a fraction of a second per the drawing of blades), so I'd be interested to see how one would pace the flow of a fight beyond the initial standoff of the draw.
>>He didn't build it from scrap
>He just took an old one from Watto's shop and fixed it up to working order.
Watto runs a scrap yard.
>>nor was it the fastest.
Pretty much every comparison of Anakin's racer to all the others describes it as the fastest. He also manages to catch up despite the massive headstart everyone had over him.
Not defending it or anything, but it's likely that in probing Kylo's mind, she learned the workings of the Jedi mind trick? It's unlikely for Kylo not to have to have done it at least once before. It is only a simple matter of psychic suggestion/coercion.
Do people even listen to themselves? "Nonexistant development", seriously? I swear some people seem to not realize this is the first part of a fucking trilogy, and act as though ANH had a ton of development in it or something.
>I gotta say though, the number of people on Reddit saying "THIS is how a lightsaber duel should be like, slow and heavy and EMOTIONAL not like the fucking faggot dances of the Prequels" without taking the time to realize that the duels of the Prequels were between seasoned masters of their craft trained to leave very little to no room for error whereas the duels we saw in TFA were between beleaguered relative amateurs is laughable. It's about on par with a lot of keyboard warriors talking shit against the functionality of kata in a "real fight" without actually understanding the very workings of kata
When people say "heavy and emotional", they're also referring to the OT.
They played more like fights in a Samurai movie. Lots of starring down, a couple of attacks and blocks, then more staring down. It was less about who was technically the better swordsman, and more of a battle of wills. The swords were just an extension of the greater conflict between the two.
The prequels focused less on that aspect and more on the flashy choreography.
And incidentally, the final battle in TFA felt very much like an old Samurai movie. The snowy forest setting really helped.
When Kylo Ren and the Stormtroopers are searching the base for Rey, he says something like "We must find her quickly. She is only beginning to discover her power, but the longer we delay the stronger she'll become". This coupled with the fact that in the novelization it is strongly implied that he already knows her is making me seriously question who she is and if her being left on Jakku as a child is the real story here.
They were awful. Like they really showed why Lucas using so much CG was a good move. Practical effects and costumes had their time in the 70s and 80s, try as you might you just can't recapture that. Use some, but don't put all your stock into them.
Shit, that thing looking at BB-8 at the start was a legit puppet on a stick.
>Not defending it or anything, but it's likely that in probing Kylo's mind, she learned the workings of the Jedi mind trick? It's unlikely for Kylo not to have to have done it at least once before. It is only a simple matter of psychic suggestion/coercion.
More like she's heard legends that Jedi could control peoples minds, so when she realizes that she has some force ability, one of the first things she does is test whether or not she has these fabled abilities.
>and act as though ANH had a ton of development in it or something.
Uh...HAN FUCKING SOLO
Luke goes from being a whiney farmboy to the hero of the rebellion.
Did we even watch the same movie?
I don't see how Palpatine clones or any of the other shit the EU did was in any way "Star Warsy"
I also didn't feel that TFA only had the OT characters there for shits and giggles. They actually did stuff.
There's a shitty spanish one that's missing ~20 minutes of the film and is shaky/oddly angled.
>And incidentally, the final battle in TFA felt very much like an old Samurai movie.
You think? I felt it did more to resemble a medieval European longsword or claymore fight. It's certainly how they must have been instructed to treat the blades.
I don't disagree with how you say the fights were treated in the Originals or Prequels, but to say those in the latter were nothing more than "dances" is a bit of a disservice, especially when the choreography got a bit more personal and intense (Obi-Wan's turn against Maul in the generator pit room or Obi-Wan vs Dooku on Geonosis)
I know that TPM had only one good song, but why didnt The First Order or Finn or Phasma or fucking anyone but Rey get their own song??
A lot of the aliens look terrible but that's not necessarily a CG vs Practical thing. Most of the aliens just have pretty uninspired designs, and we have like five different ones that are just "tan/orange lumpy-looking toad man" and that's not even counting Constable Not-Appearing-In-This-Film
I don't think he's arguing that it isn't heavy and emotional, but the idea that this is SUPPOSED to be how it is, is not exactly true from a canonical standpoint. Old lightsaber fighting styles kind of fell away, so what you have during the OT is Vader destroying an old man who can't move as quick as he used to, and Vader's usual stance of 'move forward and swing sword a few times' is actually counteracted well by Luke's own knowledge of lightsaber combat (which is to say, not much).
Honestly though, I wish they'd drop this whole 'JEDI ARE REAL???' and other various bullshit. It hasn't been a goddamn century, of course they're real. It makes a little more sense in TFA but it never made sense in the OT, not just because of the prequels ending twenty years prior to ANH, but because Obi-wan was still alive. A normal human. How could people forget THAT quickly about Jedi?
TFA really is just 'hey guys remember the things you loved from the OT' with token minority characters, but that's just my opinion.
>I also didn't feel that TFA only had the OT characters there for shits and giggles. They actually did stuff.
I liked the movie too anon but take off your fanboy underwear for a while and try to be unbiased.
For christ's sake R2 literally sits there. Threepio makes a joke cameo, Akbar had one line, Leia did fucking nothing but bitch at Han.
Han and Chewie are the only two that did anything.
I'm going to blab about the music for a while. Some of my thoughts are taken from another thread. I'm actually really eager to have this discussion, so share your thoughts. Wall of text incoming.
Before the film premiered, we were treated to a 60 minutes clip, Williams was scoring the film and it wasn't locked to picture. That already made me feel worried. I hate to say it, it pains me to say it, but the score wasn't a standout like we've experience before.
I'm not saying change is bad, but scoring an unlocked film combined with all of the other musical changes like no London Symphony Orchestra and no Abbey Road, set the tone for the quality of the music we got, and it was less then before.
Now that I've had a chance to listen to the OST, I'm even more disappointed. Not with Williams, for he has proven just by virtue of his career alone, along with the fact that he scored the other 6 films that he can write quality music.
The score is filled with ostinatos and callbacks. I like Rey's theme, and rearrangements of things we've heard before such has Scherzo for X-Wings, but I feel the new material is lacking.
Like I mentioned before, change is not bad, but it did impact the music. It's a combination of things. JJ's editing style, the film's pacing, scoring for an unlocked film that is still being changed while John writes it, different musicians, and a different recording room. These little things add up to create something different, and I do not like the end result.
>while fucking blinded
because he was using the force. that's what obi wan was trying to tell him. Luke kept trying to use his eyes to deflect the bolts and he was too slow. When Obi Wan blinded him, he was sort of able to focus more on the force. That's why before they go to the cock pit Luke mentions that he "Kind of felt something".
Luke also did pilot before. Piloted SOMETHING at least.
>The Prequels are fine.
I know you guys are always first in line to reject the popular opinion, especially a popular opinion that has become so popular and overblown that people have stopped thinking about the reasons for that opinion. And the prequels had some strengths. But can we please not pretend that they didn't have problems that made it hard for many people to fully enjoy them. Weird stilted love dialog (whether inspired by Greek tragedy or not) being just one of them.
>I know that TPM had only one good song
My man, TPM had a number of good songs. Just because Duel of the Fates was the most memorable with the biggest impact doesn't mean it was the only good one
I mean come on, you can't deny the awesome grandeur of the scene wipe to the Naboo cruiser's coming up on Coruscant
I think her being left on Jakku as she saw in the vision really happened, but it was likely him that left her there. He probably knew her before turning and had an idea of what kind of power she potentially had.
Also, sorta unrelated but as far as Rey's skills/power-level go: they seem to share that mind-probing ability, so it's possible she just managed to pick up a few skills from him when she turned it against him. She may have still had her mind wiped upon being brought to Jakku so as to make her forget the Jedi and whoever she once knew, but that seems to be an innate ability they both possess to a very strong degree.
>TPM only had one good song
>R2 literally sits there.
Because he's in lower power mode, defragmenting himself and shit after Luke left. It's on purpose that he doesn't do much in the film.
>Threepio makes a joke cameo
He has more than just that appearance. Looks like you didn't pay attention.
>Akbar had one line
because it was a cameo. he'll likely be more important in the coming films
>Leia did fucking nothing but bitch at Han.
Wrong. She didn't even bitch at Han. She argued with him a little bit, but she mostly talked with him about their son. She had plenty of other scenes.
A lot of us felt the same thing. The score just didn't deliver. Was it horrible? No, not at all, it was adequate, but that's the problem. When John Williams scores a Star Wars movie and it's just "adequate" that's not a good thing. If this were the product of a lesser known composer working on a lower-profile movie nobody would mind, but after six great scores it's such a letdown to get a Star Wars score that doesn't hold up to the others. Before this the weakest one was AOTC, but even that had a few good moments and its lone standout theme Across the Stars was fantastic. This one struggles to even present much in the way of memorable themes, and aside from Rey's theme and the Resistance theme I couldn't even discern any others when watching the movie. I'm sure Kylo has an actual leitmotif and John Boyega had talked about Finn having one but I'll be damned if I could remember it.
Hell, I noticed Qui-Gon had a theme in TPM and it only appears a handful of times.
He was briefly in one of the scenes in the Jakku market in the background.
Eh, I've been listening to the soundtrack on repeat, and I disagree that the soundtrack is bad. It has plenty of great new pieces, like Rey's Theme, March of the Resistance, and Torn Apart.
Yeah. I'm not saying Luke wasn't naturally strong in the force (He certainly was), but he at least had experience before. I wish that they had played up the aspect of her winning the fight more. She should have been sort of struggling and only manage to fend him off because of the injuries, not totally fucking school him like she did. That's sort of how I explain it in my head.
Yeah, I thought it was weird that he was given a starring role in a YA book with Luke Skywalker and then didn't even appear in the movie. I thought he would've had some significance or else they wouldn't have bothered promoting him like that, but his role couldn't have been that important if he was deleted with no apparent consequence.
The soundtrack wasn't composed with footage playing on a projector, which would have actually provided greater incentive and direction for Williams and the orchestra. The reason why the music of the last six movies worked so well with what was happening onscreen was because they'd already had the movie pretty much done by the time Williams was on tap to score them. Not to mention Williams and Lucas were pretty much the best collaboration you could ask for. Lucas actually had an ear for the kind of music he wanted and how it'd resonate with viewers. JJ just let Williams run wild with as minimal direction as possible barring his telling him to extend a certain part by a couple seconds because the scene was going to be longer and the music needed to reflect that
Initially I agreed with this, but as I've listened to the soundtrack more it's grown on me quite a bit. I like the new themes in this one, and the tone is fitting to the film itself. In terms of quality it's above a lot of stuff from the OT (probably not a popular opinion but there's some really good stuff here) but a step below what Williams created for the PT, in that it's not quite as big of a sound. The London Symphony Orchestra not doing this one did negatively impact it though, for sure, but I think the music itself is good.
Nope, and he's probably unlikely to get one anytime soon. It's a shame, I'd like to have him and Dooku in that scale, but neither are considered highly marketable, especially now that they're putting prequel era stuff on the backburner.
I really, really liked it.
Had emotion and characters of the original trilogy, and the flashiness of the prequels, with better direction.
Only thing that bothered me is those new Star Wars moments, like Poe flying through a trench to destroy the thing.
I figure I'll come down from hype at some point, but I still think this movie is pretty great.
Having seen the film twice now and listened to the whole soundtrack through at least a dozen times, I honestly love it now. It doesn't have any immediately standout themes like the previous ones, and it disappointed me a lot at first, but it's very good and at this point I find many of the themes and motifs in it to be fantastic. I agree completely with the three pieces you listed, Torn Apart being my absolute favorite, but I would also submit Scherzo for X-Wings, The Ways of the Force, Snoke, and The Jedi Steps as great pieces of Star Wars music as well.
How genuine was Kylo being with Han on that bridge?
But Rey wasn't schooling him at first. It's only after she locks into the Force and Kylo has been bleeding profusely from his bowcaster wound to the side(which earlier in the film was powerful enough to send stormtroopers flying) for a while and his injury from Finn does she begin to start gaining the upper hand.
Kylo only lost because he was injured and fatigued.
Agreed. Those pieces you listed are also pretty great. The Jedi Steps is masterful, probably up there with the PT.
Where were the classic aliens? I only recall seeing Ackbar, a Sullustan flying an X-wing, and Chewbacca. Other than that, no classic aliens at all.
Instead we were given some unmemorable furry and insect things, Max, and some weird new long-faced alien as an X-wing pilot.
Han is the one who pressed the activator on the Lightsaber. He killed himself because he saw how badly his son needed him to do it. He sacrificed himself to save his son in that moment, and it will eventually pay off. Ben is not evil, he is a protagonist for this trilogy and will be redeemed when he can finally see clearly enough to quiet his internal struggle and stop fighting against who he already knows he is.
>I don't disagree with how you say the fights were treated in the Originals or Prequels, but to say those in the latter were nothing more than "dances" is a bit of a disservice, especially when the choreography got a bit more personal and intense (Obi-Wan's turn against Maul in the generator pit room or Obi-Wan vs Dooku on Geonosis)
Well it's a good thing I didn't say all the prequel fights were "nothing more than 'dances'". There were plenty of great scenes/fights.
But there were also a lot of instances where lightsabers were twirling about purely for cool factor, and the idea of a lightsaber battle being a force of wills was more or less tossed out the window.
>>You think? I felt it did more to resemble a medieval European longsword or claymore fight. It's certainly how they must have been instructed to treat the blades.
I would compare it to fighting with European claymores in a technical sense, which is understandable given that none of the participants had ever actually engaged in an actual lightsaber duel before- and one of them repeatedly demonstrated his love of slashing wildly at shit when pissed off.
But as far as lighting, setting, pacing, and -again- the idea that it wasn't so much a battle of technical skill as much as a spiritual conflict manifesting itself in a fight are all very much like how sword fights between protagonists are treated in Samurai films.
So how much do you think it's TFA actually being a good film and how much do you think it's Star Wars fanboys literally unable to deal with a new movie being bad and blinding themselves to flaws?
I think he was being pretty genuine. He seemed genuinely conflicted about what he felt he had to do. The major thing with him is he thinks he's on the right side, so to him it was a necessary sacrifice.
He did seem a little sour toward Han, though. While interrogating Rey he gave a bit of dialogue that seemed to imply that they were pretty distant. But I think he did still care about him, which made it an actual test of his will.
It's a genuinely great film as far as I'm concerned, I haven't enjoyed a movie this much in a long time and it's exactly what I was hoping it would be. I feel sad for anyone who didn't enjoy it to be quite frank.
>>Honestly though, I wish they'd drop this whole 'JEDI ARE REAL???' and other various bullshit. It hasn't been a goddamn century, of course they're real. It makes a little more sense in TFA but it never made sense in the OT, not just because of the prequels ending twenty years prior to ANH, but because Obi-wan was still alive. A normal human. How could people forget THAT quickly about Jedi?
This is because the PT and EU made Jedi so ubiquitous. They were apparently everywhere and had their HQ on the capital planet.
I think they were supposed to be more like wandering mystical warrior monks. People have heard legends of their powers, but few people would have ever actually seen one in person.
That and their abilities were meant to be more subtle. Yoda, Obi Wan, and the Emporer are supposed to be some of the most awesome force users, and they really don't look all that badass. They spend more time manipulating people and making crytpic/prophetic statements and recieving visions as opposed to running around saving the world and having adventures with their lightsabers.
Hell, Yoda and the Emperor don't even *have* lightsabers in the OT.
>ANH that low
No troll list until now has done this
Can we not pretend that there's not an inverse to what you are saying and that people legitimately enjoyed the PT?
I've always liked the PT. Are they flawless? No. But I still appreciate everything they did right and as well as giving us a plethora of new avenues for EU stories that are still be explored to this day.
The most frustrating thing is that whenever I or someone else wants to talk about the nice things in the PT, and there's quite a lot, shitposters feel the need to be pretentious assholes about it.
>because he was using the force. that's what obi wan was trying to tell him. Luke kept trying to use his eyes to deflect the bolts and he was too slow. When Obi Wan blinded him, he was sort of able to focus more on the force. That's why before they go to the cock pit Luke mentions that he "Kind of felt something".
And Rey used the force. When she closed her eyes, she was sort of able to focus more on the force and it guided her movements. Before that point, she was pretty much running for her life.
And Rey was shown to be able to fight off two grown men with a staff. She has some experienced with melee combat.
Nobody even bats an eye when she's handed a blaster pistol- which she seems to have never handled before- and is taking down Stormtroopers left and right with it.
Did the destruction of Hosnian system seriously eliminate the entire New Republic Navy? I'm aware they are supposed to have demilitarized, but they can't seriously have a fleet that consists of a handful of ships hanging around a single system can they?
I didn't say you can't enjoy them and that they didn't do some things right. But these generals have often swung so far towards them that they won't accept criticism of the prequels out of some perception that saying something negative about them is simply a pretext to jump into le prequels suk meme bandwagoning.
What >>78309907 and especially >>78310039 said. Lucas understands how classic movie scoring worked, and what he would want from Williams. They worked fantastically together. William's ability is not in doubt here, but the director and the composer work together to create the music for the film. Even with extraordinary ability, running wild all the time never good.
I'm not critiquing William's ability to write complex music and memorable themes. There are things I like in the OST, and I don't think the soundtrack is absolutely terrible. But I think the use of music in the movie is lacking, and the overall sound suffers.
>the tone is fitting to the film itself
That's part of my issue. The way the film is cut, and the pacing of the plot, dictates the music. It works, but not like it used to. I agree with your rankings though.
I'm going to have fun delving into the Soundtrack, and picking apart harmonies and leitmotifs, but that doesn't make this different sound a 'better' kind of different.
The whole 'vote where the capital of the NR is located' thing would mean that it would have a constant NR fleet presence.
With the cut down on military hardware, I'd say it works.
Still contrived though.
Probably a good portion if not all of it. The VD says while the NR fleet is the largest single fleet in the galaxy, it's only a fraction of what it was in the clone war.
Someone said that Pablo says the NR fleet acts like the UN with each system having some of their ships make up the NR fleet.
It's because PT criticism has never been PT criticism.
It's always kneejerk HOLY SHIT THE PT IS GARBAGE AND IRREDEEMABLE.
Nobody talks about the legitimate pros and cons of the movies. Most Star Wars nerds are worse than RLM about the prequels.
>She should have been sort of struggling and only manage to fend him off because of the injuries, not totally fucking school him like she did. That's sort of how I explain it in my head.
At the beginning of the fight, she was running for her life. Then she closes her eyes and lets in the force.
Are we really surprised that she's now able to compete against a novice ligthsaber wielder who is suffering from a gut shot and an injury to his sword arm?
We don't know right now, but I'd like to think not. If so, they deserved to be crushed in all honesty. There's no excuse to be this blind to real threats that you neuter yourself in the face of crazy people who think they're bringing the Empire back.
Look in these threads, Star Wars fanboys are doing just the opposite, trying to nitpick the movie so they feel good about thinking it's not as good as the others (or worse yet, Prequel babies who think that should be the norm).
Wait that was the signifigance of that planet being destroyed? That actually was the capital of the New Republic?
Why the fuck is the NR so weak? Right off the bat, they have to make the good guys the underdogs for more nostalgia points.
>This is because the PT and EU made Jedi so ubiquitous. They were apparently everywhere and had their HQ on the capital planet.
They weren't "everywhere". There were 10,000 of them among trillions and trillions of sentients. They were the peacekeepers of the Republic, which is why their main Temple was on Coruscant, though they had other smaller temples scattered out among the galaxy.
> I think they were supposed to be more like wandering mystical warrior monks.
That was never implied nor directly stated, just a fan assumption/theory.
>People have heard legends of their powers, but few people would have ever actually seen one in person.
This is still true. Anakin had only heard about them from offworlders telling stories when he was on Tatooine, an Outer Rim world.
> That and their abilities were meant to be more subtle.
When was this stated?
> Hell, Yoda and the Emperor don't even *have* lightsabers in the OT.
Because Yoda was in exile alone, and lost his saber in RotS. He had no use for one.
Palpatine lost both of his sabers in RotS as well and didn't really need one now that the Jedi were gone. He had no reason to retrieve his second saber from whatever crevice in the Senate Chamber it fell into.
I think a lot of people enjoyed the film. But I think it will turn into the latter as time goes on and the hype dies down. Remember people tore apart the prequels for like 14 years, TFA will get it too.
The NR is afraid of going to war with the FO because it will start shit up again.
Leia sees they're making a mistake and makes the Resistance and asks for NR support, but they are reluctant to help her. Then they get BTFO.
How upset will you be if episode 8 sticks as close to Empire Strikes Back as TFA did to A New Hope?
I really liked TFA, better than any prequel by far (prequel loving hipsters get out), but still I don't want think I want 3 OT remakes.
Vitriol against TPM was immediate. We know you don't like it when people make fun of your precious prequels (we get it, you grew up with them), but that doesn't mean the same thing will happen to better movies.
And that's wrong too. But honestly what can you expect with all the overly harsh and VERY loud RLM dick suckers?
Remember in science class: For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
That doesn't just apply to physics. When you have one extreme, its opposite will eventually surface in an attempt to bring the system back into equilibrium. But as history normally shows, the answer to an extreme is rarely its opposite. Sure, it may solve the problem in the short term, but it will always cause new problems down the road.
It's up to us to find a middle ground between the two if we ever hope to restore balance to the f
You know, if you guys don't vote in the poll it doesn't mean a thing. I'm not keeping a separate tally of who wants what if you just reply to the post.
Probably should get around to reading that. I've been so busy I haven't had the chance. Must mean he got his second back, since the first went flying out the window and is probably somewhere deep in Coruscant's depths now.
TPM was well recieved when it first came out.
I've only saved 3 pages from the past threads
I can imagine it'll take quite a few cues from Empire like the villains managing to score a major victory, but I don't think it'll be to the same degree as TFA with ANH. I think they're headed in a somewhat different direction with the overall plot of the trilogy. Or, I HOPE they are anyway.
That's honestly what I'm most interested in. We're pretty much following Kylo and Rey on their parallel hero/villain journeys here, and they'll both get the chance to train and power themselves up for next time. We haven't really seen that before, and it might give us a good look at the story from both of their perspectives as it moves forward.
There weren't a lot of Jedi, but they were "everywhere" because they had such close ties to the Republic that they were basically diplomats/generals.
Anakin had never seen a Jedi, but even he knew what a lightsaber was the instant he saw one and knew Qui Gon was a Jedi. Watto also instantly recognized that Anakin had become a Jedi.
And as you said, they live in bumfuck nowhere. People in the mid rim and core worlds would be able to ID a Jedi even faster.
And a scant 30 years later, they're myth?
The myth thing only really works if Jedi weren't running around putting themselves at the center of galactic politics and wars.
The Jedi being overlooked/forgotten would have worked better if they had been more removed from the lime light. If they had done less adventuring, particpated in less battles, and operated less as knight errants and more like travelling wise men. Capable of kicking your ass, but more likely to avert the conflict altogether.
>>Because Yoda was in exile alone, and lost his saber in RotS. He had no use for one.
You honestly think Lucas had that scene in Attack of the Clones in mind when he filmed Empire Strikes Back decades earlier? You think the decision to cut out Luke's lightsaber training was not intentional. Or Yoda's whole "Wars not make on great" and "Your weapons, you will not need them" lines didn't have something to say about his stances on armed conflict?
>>Palpatine lost both of his sabers in RotS as well and didn't really need one now that the Jedi were gone. He had no reason to retrieve his second saber from whatever crevice in the Senate Chamber it fell into.
Again, are you implying that Lucas had this in mind when he did Return of the Jedi? He could have had/made a lightsaber and just used it to kill Luke when he refused to join the dark side. Instead, he chose to throw lightning at him.
Wasn't there a page in these threads of Kylo Ren? I think it mentioned some part of his lightsaber or helmet being from Malachor
KOTOR partially confirmed?
Just saw it. Really liked it, though I wish they did a better job at explaining certain things.
Also Finn and Rey were kinda qt
>It really wasn't. It was popular for a long time. You're trying to act smug, but really you just look insecure.
It was "popular" in that a lot of people saw it. It was pretty much recognized as an underwhelming precursor to the OT, though.
The NR weakened itself on purpose and moved its capital away from Coruscant to persuade former Separatist systems that it wasn't just a repeat of the corrupt Old Republic or the iron fisted Empire.
Contrast to the EU where it militarized heavily because it still needed to defeat the iron fisted Empire, which meant it was militarily prepared when Corellia went full separatist.
Doesn't work. Kanan isn't an ex soldier. All I'm saying though is I refuse to believe that some ex trooper isn't running around the galaxy dicking around with the force in 30 years.
>But can we please not pretend that they didn't have problems that made it hard for many people to fully enjoy them.
So does TFA. So does OT (did you ever watch in in a modern resolution for starters, and then the middle part of ESB drags far too much, RotJ has ewoks and Imperial forces folding so easily both on the ground and in space that it was grating even when I was twelve, and so on).
>Weird stilted love dialog (whether inspired by Greek tragedy or not) being just one of them.
See, it is complaint like this that make roll my eyes. Do you expect a boy who had a father figure for the total of less than a week and was raised by space monks; and a girl who clearly had some significant romantic problem, most likely, given Padme's overall feelings of being trapped in her role, the belief that no one can court her without an underlying political purpose; to suddenly become smooth seducers?
There is, in fact, a big problem with the prequel dialogue, but it somehow rarely gets mentioned - the script has a tendency to overexplain things, instead of letting the actors convey them through well, acting. TFA, by the way, has the exact same flaw.
Overall, no SW movie so far is outright bad. I'd personally like TFA the lowest because it is very derivative and too much dumb shit happens solely for plot convenience (The heroes on the Forest Planet somehow seeing the destruction wrought by the Starkiller. Total absense of security on the First Order base. Falcon hyperspeeding right under the shield - sure doing that instead of going on a near-suicide mission with an infantry squad would have been handy on Endor. Shields on the Starkiller that can be turned off by a random infantry officer and cannot be turned back on from the main bridge. No fleet protecting the Starkiller. No fleet attacking the Starkiller, just because they wanted to replicate ep IV point-by-point.) On the other hand, purely as an action movie TFA might be the best out of seven.
>Let's talk about it anon. What's your favorite? Favorite character? Favorite moment?
RotS. Sheev. Cannot really choose between TPM's final battle and the Anakin's turn leading to the Order 66 sequence.
>But we're not introduced to Rei till quite a bit of the way into the movie
Ten minutes in isn't a lot of time. Have you never heard of an opening prologue? A New Hope opens on Leia, then follows the droids through the desert of Tatoinne. Luke doesn't make an onscreen appearance for about the same length of time.
>map to Skywalker has reached the Resistance base so they decide to use Starkiller Base to destroy the Resistance base
>for some reason the Resistance don't pack up and leave or transmit the all-important map to another Resistance base or a Resistance starship somewhere else via Holonet, instead they just sit around and hope that the X-wings manage to do the job
they HAVE starships, they could have got on them and run away.
I love every minute The Emporer- not that lame senator- but that scheming, melodramatic, snarling Emporer is on screen.
He's so classically evil and every line of dialogue just drips with ... something.
>Luke is training Rey
>We learn more about how the new academy fell to the Knights of Ren
>Luke hints that not everyone died that day
>Rey and the audience believe he's talking about Kylo Ren, there's still good in him
>Later a fight begins, Rey leaves to help her friends against the wishes of Luke
>Luke doesn't intervene, but mentions that she will have help through the Force
>Rey vs Kylo Round 2. She is able to turn the tide, but the First Order is going to pull a dirty trick.
>Suddenly, the sound of a lightsaber ignites, and Kylo is staggered.
>yfw Sith Spit
So at what age did Poe get BB-8?
I've never seen such devotion in a droid before.
They didn't have a fleet, and it would be pretty terrible of them to let yet another planet die because of them. If they didn't stop the First Order and destroy the Starkiller, then they wouldn't be much of a Resistance group against them would they?
Hard to pick a favorite. Even the bit characters were fun. Top 3, I'd have to say:
3. Jango Fett. He was everything I wanted to see from a space mercenary that I never got from Boba in the OT. He's got cool gadgets to help him fight dirty against superior foes and looks like a badass using them.
2. Obi-Wan for being the embodiment of what I always imagined the Jedi being like: noble gentlemen that are fair and wise but don't take shit from assholes and would-be conquerors. What's even more impressive is that he still managed to maintain that ideal during a tumultuous time in the Jedi's history where their values and beliefs were being eroded by war. Also his nuanced role as a mentor and brother for young Anakin. He had no idea if he was doing a good job, but he tried his hardest nonetheless. Their banter is some of the highlights from the entire franchise (makes it even sadder TCW Utapau arc wasn't finished as that had some great examples of it). I like to think he learned from his shortcomings and this helped him instruct Luke more effectively.
1. Sheev for being a conquering asshole. To be more precise, I love him for being the epitome of the final big bad. He is the bar that all villains should strive towards. He was shown and demonstrated many aspects of the best villain archtypes. He is both chess master and a puppet master. His cunning, patience, and foresight for careful planning enables him to play the long game. He prefers to delegate to others matters beneath his notice but is also a powerhouse if need be. Even if he's hamming it up, it's perfectly in character because his guise forces him to suppress his true nature and on those rare occasions where he actually gets to be himself he just cuts loose and enjoys himself.
He was listed first in the credits and was the focus from the moment he arrived til his death.
Then Poe was the hero at the start, and saves the day... Finn probably has the most screentime... Rey had the lightsaber fight and has the force though... But Kylo has the main character arc...
Aw fuck it, you're right.
>Describe Phasma without describing her job or what she looks like.
>I've never seen such devotion in a droid before.
What makes a prequel baby? My wife and I are almost 30. We grew knowing the OT and I watched the prequels growing up. A few weeks ago we watched all 6. We like to think we know a bit about movies.We met at a theatre were I was a projectionist (before it went digital). We watch 4-5 movies a week and critic as a hobby. I'm not saying I am critic in the professional sense. I'm just saying its what we are passionate about.
After rewatching all 6 we both agreed that the Prequels were better. Better acting, better action, better villians etc.
I actually cared about the characters and their motivations.
So am I prequel baby or am I just a guy who likes one over the other.
All of Rey's skills are allusions to who she is supposed to mirror.
>There weren't a lot of Jedi, but they were "everywhere" because they had such close ties to the Republic that they were basically diplomats/generals.
Not really. They mostly stayed in their temple, only leaving on Republic business. Most people wouldn't have seen them. Even during the Clone Wars, most people wouldn't have seen them in action, they'd be leading from their ships or directly on the battlefield, away from the public eye.
> Anakin had never seen a Jedi, but even he knew what a lightsaber was the instant he saw one and knew Qui Gon was a Jedi.
Because "spacers" had told tales of them and their "laser swords".
>Watto also instantly recognized that Anakin had become a Jedi.
I wonder if it's because, 10 years ago, he saw Qui-Gon Jinn dressed similarly?
> And as you said, they live in bumfuck nowhere. People in the mid rim and core worlds would be able to ID a Jedi even faster.
Not all of them would have seen Jedi, though.
> And a scant 30 years later, they're myth?
20, but not the point. The Imperials treat them as a myth, and Han Solo, who mostly stayed in the Outer Rim since he's a smuggler, hadn't ever seen one.
Just because a few lines in the OT treat them as a myth doesn't mean everyone in the galaxy does. This is a major problem people seem to have. They take everything the OT does or mentions extremely literally. I'm not saying he had those in mind, but there's perfectly good reasons for them not having sabers in the context of the entire saga.
>Or Yoda's whole "Wars not make on great"
Oh not this shit again. Yoda changed from what he was in the PT to the OT through the events of The Clone Wars and Order 66, plus his years in exile.
>and "Your weapons, you will not need them"
He didn't need them. He only saw Vader because he took his weapons.
>He could have had/made a lightsaber and just used it to kill Luke when he refused to join the dark side.
He wanted to make Luke suffer. Using a lightsaber wouldn't have done that.
>They didn't have a fleet
They did have transport craft. Might have been helpful to at least get a copy of the Skywalker map onto one of them with a trusted agent or two to safeguard it, in case the base doesn't make it, and get the map back to New Republic territory and hand it to New Republic Intelligence. Instead of keeping it on the planet and hoping that it doesn't get vaporized by hyperspace lasers.
He was still with Rey in the end, so he'll obviously at least be in the next one to some degree. Seems like he's taken it upon himself to look after her since the Falcon is her ship now.
The entire Rebel fleet was at Endor, wasn't it? And it barely held its own against Vader's rebel hunting task force until the Death Star exploded. So where does the New Republic get the massive fleet necessary to fight the Empire to the negotiating table in just one year?
Listening to the soundtrack, I've got to say my current favorite recurring tune in TFA is from 1:54 in Rey's Theme, though it's heard in other pieces too.
Dooo, doodoodoo doo dooo.
They've outright stated they'll never recanonize an entire thing(a book, game, etc) from Legends. They'll use elements from them though.
Taris was mentioned in Tarkin I believe, so it's nothing new. Meebur Gascon already namedropped Malachor too.
The Jedi were a soldier of sorts in the Clone Wars. There's plenty of other similarities between them
Both have been previous/current Jedi in their life.
Both have a pilot love interest(who share a voice actor)
They dress similarly, although different color scheme
Both train a padawan who struggles with the dark side
Kanan is basically canon Kyle, just remixed some.
Defections from the Imperial Navy is the only thing I can think of. Those happened in the EU too.
That and possibly whoever was in command of the Imperial Navy at Jakku must have been a massive blinding moron.
>hover at new republic era characters
>still no rey, poe, and finn
They gained traction significantly after RotJ. They captured a bunch of Star Destroyers and Super Star Destroyers, and probably got help from other systems too.
Imperial defectors, planets with their own defense fleets getting the courage to finally join the Rebels and take a stand, and the Rebels stole a lot of ships as well. In Lost Stars they try to steal a Star Destroyer at the Battle of Jakku and it gets rammed into the planet intentionally to deprive them of it.
This has always been the hottest thing in Star Wars for me
Yah I always find that stuff funny. Why can no one every copy files in the star wars universe. or like in Empire when a droid needs to use an antenna. How are they at the point where they can make a droid that can be dropped from space and then go hovering about on a scouting mission but still needs to put up its antenna to transmit.
Anyone else think it Jakku shouldn't be so empty and deprived when there's such a wealth of materials and parts to be extracted from the remains of crashed starships, there should be whole thriving settlements grown up around the scavenge trade.
>Why can no one every copy files in the star wars universe.
But the Death Star plans only got to the Tantive IV in the ANH because it was transmitted to them. They received a transmission containing the plans.
I feel like there are probably large groups of people living in some of those wrecked Star Destroyers. We see a bunch of scavengers come run up and immediately start looting one of the TIE Fighters that Finn shoots down in the Falcon.
Unintended roguishness. He's not like Han trying to make a deal. Or smooth like Lando screwing you without you realizing how. His actions however were more rogue like. Sneaking a guy out of jail to do a favor for him. Implying he knew what he was doing when he was just sanitization.
Which would be valid if the 'important' details were actually important to the narrative and not just fluff that adds very little to the story as a whole and the writer would have to go out of the way to add the info in with awkward exposition.
I see fans (from all franchises) call things like this plotholes all the time. If something isn't explicitly stated, no matter how mundane or easy it is to fill in the gaps, it is a plothole to them.
I read some rumors a while back that said the titles for 8 and 9 would be The Order of Ren and Knights of the New Republic respectively. I kind of doubt it, but I suppose you never know.
Well, yes. But where do they get the crews? Star Destroyers take thousands of trained personnel, Supers much more so.
Also, in the OT, the Imperials we see are pretty devoted. Ratings I can see defecting, fighter pilots, technicians, yeah, but an entire ship? Getting all those people to agree that, yes, treason and grand theft starship is the best option available?
As I said, they gained a ton of traction after the DSII was destroyed. They got tons more recruits as more systems joined their cause to help topple the Empire and thousands defected.
Also, there's probably plenty of jobs that could be managed by a droid.
I assume the other Knights of Ren were off running other parts of the first order, but since Kylo is the Master he was in charge of (along with Hux) of the Starkiller base, their superweapon and largest mass of troops.
Kallus is shit, utter SHIT.
Just thought everyone should know.
And yet Wooks like you will still defend the EU in which entire Star Destroyer crews defect because Wedge magiced together so much money to bribe them with that they're willing to accept that Isard would purge all their families.
You sure you want me to do that, Faggot?
You see, had I used () instead you would have been an optional faggot. Now, you're definitely a faggot; a belated faggot but a faggot nonetheless.
The crew of the Avarice defected because they knew Isard was a deranged maniac and continuing to serve her would end up with them all dead anyway, the money just sweetened the deal. Virulence defected because the captain surrendered the ship since they were trapped with tractor beams and the alternative was to be blown to smithereens by several hundred proton torpedoes. Lusankya defected because they'd just taken a massive pounding from two Star Destroyers plus Rogue Squadron, and the captain went crazy, promoted himself to Grand Admiral, and was about to crash the ship into the planet.
That's a good question. Does anyone have those excerpts from the new one implying that Kylo Ren knows Rey? Because that's certainly something that seems important yet isn't really in the film.
That makes sense, CIS crewed entire fleets with droids, and between, what, a few trillion people, shaking out a few reactor technicians is probably easy. It's the "one year' thing that gets me. The kind of rapid expansion would cripple the command structure of any conventional military, and these are a bunch of amateurs. Five years maybe. Three at a pinch.
Here's all the pages about the various Stormtoopers. http://imgur.com/a/zuSKa
I'm uploading the Kylo Ren pages now.
Just this >>78310638
TFA's Novelization is fully canon.
The original 6 novelizations aren't canon anymore. They used to be "canon where they aligned with the films" but that isn't the stance by the LSG anymore.
Snoke is 7ft tall, hardly short. Also, he probably won't tie into the Sith much, considering he isn't one. At most he'll reference the Sith and how they're inefficient as an Order because they always end up backstabbing eachother.
It released after April 25, 2014. Unless otherwise stated(like the case is with SWTOR Expansions and a couple mobile games) all new materials are canon.
Kylo Ren http://imgur.com/a/TNYmc
The Stormtooper and Kylo Ren pages cover the ship
the rest from the preview kind anons have already shared.
It's there a list of the current Canon encyclopedias? I can't find one anywhere.
Also, how long until someone scans this?
Was anyone else getting a Tommy Wiseau vibe from Kylo Ren?
Between the hair, the way he destroys his room, and how he says he's being "torn apart" is too much coincidences.
I couldn't stop laughing at him.
7ft isn't at all impressive after the bait and switch they did. I hadn't seen any spoilers regarding his character so I was blown away when I saw this massive giant on the screen.
>mfw it was just a hologram
Congrats JJ. You fooled me.
>Someone should keep track of this before it gets out of hand
>Is there a list of the current Canon encyclopedias? I can't find one anywhere.
All of the current canon encyclopedias/reference books are:
Star Wars in 100 Scenes
Ultimate Star Wars
Star Wars: Absolutely Everything You Need to Know
Star Wars: Ships of the Galaxy
Star Wars: The Force Awakens The Visual Dictionary
Star Wars: The Force Awakens Incredible Cross Sections
Star Wars Rebels: The Visual Guide
Star Wars Rebels: Visual Guide: Epic Battles
Upcoming Next Year:
Star Wars: Aliens of the Galaxy
Star Wars Character Encyclopedia, Updated and Expanded
>Also, how long until someone scans this?
Dunno. There aren't any dedicated scanners anywhere on the internet for Star Wars materials currently. Used to be, but according to Kileko and b0bafett(comics rippers that hang around in a Star Wars thread on an Indonesian forum) they haven't been heard from in some time.
The FO was hiding in the Unknown Regions. Outside of their grasp.
But the stormtrooper page says they buy their arms and armor from public companies. Surely "one million blaster rifles and sundry" is noticeable... wait a moment. Are those massive arms corps still essentially outside the law in new canon?
>But the stormtrooper page says they buy their arms and armor from public companies. Surely "one million blaster rifles and sundry" is noticeable...
They only fled into the Unknown Regions fairly recently.
> wait a moment. Are those massive arms corps still essentially outside the law in new canon?
Any chance if/when we'll see the uncut or even an extended edition? The terminally ill fan has supposedly seen the uncut version that's 35 minutes longer. I feel like a smidgen more of downtime and exposition would make the movie perfect.
It would be cool. Maybe even release a whole 7-film set or something extending all fo the films, even if minorly.
Finish up the effects in the deleted scenes and package it.
ESB=ANH=ROTS=TFA=ROTJ=TPM=AOTC each have their own reasons and good bits and failings, I wouldn't undo any of them, or change a thing. Fight me 1v1 traitor fags.
My biggest hope for the Blu-ray release is that they make a Steelbook that matches the ones they released for the first six movies this year.
I'd be triggered HARD if they didn't.
Yeah, but sadly Dooku and Tarkin aren't quite as toyetic as Grievous, Vader and a stormtrooper. I'm just glad they didn't use Boba Fett for ESB since his part isn't that big. As it is I don't think Grievous should've been the ROTS cover, it should've been Anakin with Sith eyes or something. The natural choice would be Palpatine but we can't have him on two covers.
Assuming they won't use Tarkin and Dooku because they're "boring old men" and not quite exciting enough for the normies, it should've gone like this:
TPM - Maul
AOTC - Clonetrooper (which both doesn't STRICTLY follow the "all villains" motif but they do eventually become antagonists)
ROTS - Anakin
ANH - Stormtrooper
ESB - Vader
ROTJ - Emperor
I could live with that. There's always the temptation to put Vader on the ANH covers because it's his debut, but he's a glorified henchman there and doesn't become a legit central villain until ESB.
I'm still kind of amused by how they sometimes can't decide who to use for ROTJ. The special edition poster had Chewie emphasized (as a result of the three posters combining to have an "overall saga" look, with ROTJ getting the characters who weren't already on the other posters) and the 1995 VHS had Yoda on it despite only being in one scene and a quick cameo at the end.
I notice a lot of people ranking Attack of the Clones over The Phantom Menace. All the romance scenes in AotC may have been cringy as fuck, but have people truly forgotten how aside from the battle droids (especially the droideka) and the Darth Maul battle TPM was so fucking nothing and was basically a pointless addition to its respective trilogy in the long run?
>playing Galaxy of Heroes
>Barriss is a Light Side character
Cold, domineering, self-serving.
She's supposed to have a more substantial role in VIII. I'd love it if, ironically enough, she ended up going rogue and started independently hunting down Finn.
>I don't see what that has to do with anything
The Force is fixed. Jedi were weakened by the imbalance in the Force.
The Sith shrine on Coruscant is also no longer fucking with them either.
I plugged her into the Universal Mary Sue Litmus Test.
Even with the most charitable and forgiving answers I could muster, I couldn't get her below a 50, and 50+ is "guaranteed Mary Sue, ya done fucked up, start over" territory. I got her down to a 56 from a starting 126.
She's absolutely perfect at every single thing she ever tries to do. She's never flown the Falcon before, but within about a minute she's pulling complicated aerial tricks the likes of which Han has never even attempted. She's always considered it garbage even though a cursory examination would reveal it's full of modifications and fancy tech and is an amazing ship, yet as soon as she's in it she knows everything about it and can fix it better than either Chewie or Han can. She hasn't been off Jakku since she was very little, yet knows all about the most significant figures in a war that ended long before she was born and barely touched the backwater she lives on. She's never used a blaster before, yet after a single miss she's a crack shot from a very long range (for a pistol). She's never had any sort of training with the Force or even tried to use it before, yet she can suddenly do mind tricks and beat out Kylo Ren's pull on Anakin's lightsaber and pull off obviously Force-aided jumps and wallruns and all kinds of shit. She's never used a lightsaber before, yet can instinctively fight with one well enough to defeat someone who's got at LEAST a year's experience on her if not more.
And on top of that, everyone outside of that Jakku outpost LOVES HER as soon as they meet her. Finn's clearly infatuated, Han and Chewie offer her a job after knowing her for all of 10 minutes, Maz is acting like she's VIP #1, even Leia's treating her like she's hot shit right away. Anyone whose opinion matters adores Rey from the moment they meet her, with Kylo Ren as the lone exception -- but he's the bad guy, so he's supposed to hate her.
If they release an Ep7 Steelbook to fit with those, then I'll buy those ones.
Literally the reason I haven't bought them yet is because I want to know if 7 (and the future movies) will match in the collection, or not.
Okay, dummy...here you go
-Force sensitive which makes you an amazing pilot because it covers you in a plethora of areas
-This also helps her makes shots with the blaster
-Apparently not so perfect since SHE FAILS AT SCAVENGING AND IS ALMOST BROKEN BY THE SIGHT OF FOOD
-Good with tech because her entire life has been about scavenging it up and making it good for sale for 15 years or so straight as her only means of survival
>Reminder this is a world where somehow Han just slapped some shit on the falcon and it's one of the fastest ships ever for...reasons, don't take this seriously
-She knows people because BOOKS (or their equivalent exists) wow, so shocking, who could have heard about the guy that blew up the Death Star!? Surely nobody talked about him for years, right?
-She can do mind tricks because she heard about them in stories and once she's awakened in the Force and experiences it first hand at the hands of Kylo she's able to truly know that she can wield it. Once she knows this she tries things from the stories she's heard. Probably boosted by the fact she's grown up in the healed Force spectrum + possibly Luke's daughter. COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES THAN LUKE WHO KNEW NOTHING OF THE JEDI AND FORCE BEFOREHAND
-Can wield a lightsaber since the crystal in canon now helps you use the Force and she has previous melee combat experience.
>And on top of that, everyone outside of that Jakku outpost LOVES HER
-Finn's attraction easily explained with:Pretty+Controlled interactions with females his whole life
Finn acts like any guy would. Han and Chewie were going to fucking space her, or did you forget? That's hardly acting like they love her. EVEN after getting them the falcon they were gonna do that to her.
You're an idiot
It allegedly passes the Bechdel.
I say allegedly because I sure as hell don't remember Rey talking to Leia, but I'm sure she must have briefly in the Resistance base.
She never meets Phasma. No conversations to be had there.
I guess if you think BB-8's a girl, it passes. But I don't think that counts.
Depends on how they handle it. Lucas said a long time ago anyone can use the Force if they get the Jedi training, some people just have more talent at it (Force sensitive) at birth.
Depends on how the new trilogy handles this.
Yeah but doesnt Maz just go on about how it was Luke's and his father before him, and thats why she needs to take it? Isn't that technically talking about a boy, which means that scene doesnt count?
Thats what I've heard SJW's say.
I like how Finn is just a dude who's real excited to have friends for the first time and be like a valued individual. Like how he lies to people about being in the resistance to get cool points and childishly gloats when he gets the upper hand on his former commanding officer
It might help the Jedi who CREATED the saber.
But this is Anakin's saber. It's not Rey's saber. She didn't pick this crystal. She had nothing to do with this lightsaber's creation. The Force didn't guide her selection of the crystal, nor did she ever attune herself to it.
She just picks up someone else's lightsaber and is suddenly amazing with it.
>That says nothing about the crystal helping you use the Force.
You're not serious.
>In this way, a lightsaber is an extension of a Jedi's Force awareness
So this can't possibly help you?
>the vibration that the crystal creates in the lightsaber blade helps Jedi center themselves and find balance in the Force
This can't help you?
>In this way, a Jedi can center his or her attention beyond the distractions of combat.
This pretty much written explicitly for that final scene with Rey and Kylo where she has her moment of peace during the clash.
I want to pour hot sauce in your eyes and slap you with a paddle.