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>Star Wars: Commander (/co/ Squad: Empire - SheevSquad)
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>get the urge to rewatch Phantom Menace, thinking it might be good if I give it another chance
>watch it again
>it's complete garbage
>get the urge to rewatch Phantom Menace, thinking it might be good if I give it another chance
>watch it again
>it's complete garbage
Why do I always fall for it?
How do they compare to the Anti-Cheese edits? I'm marathoning tomorrow so I wanna get everything ready tonight
No but this guy did his best to recreate it
>Snoke isn't lame because you don't have enough information to make that call
Wrong. Snoke is lame and has no presence or authority BECAUSE he has nothing pertaining to him. The Emperor was a representation of the Empire we've been fighting for three movies. Snoke was just some guy who came out of nowhere and is now the DARKNESS.
>saying we know Kylo Ren's entire backstory is dead wrong.
you seriously think i meant that the problem was that now we know kylo ren's backstory already
instead of the story as presented being insufficient to lend proper weight to his actions in the flick itself
that is in fact why i said we missed an entire movie
For the record, I'm not calling everyone a manchild. That's just a fact. There's been 15 years of critical analysis and anti-hype over the prequels because some OTfags are just that ass ravaged. TFA will get theirs.
>How do they compare to the Anti-Cheese edits? I'm marathoning tomorrow so I wanna get everything ready tonight
they're much more professional than the anti-cheese edits and the cuts are more extensive
a little more difficult to get your hands on, though
>he thinks it takes critical analysis to realize the PTs are bad
You have to not be paying attention if you think those movies were ever good. even as a kid I disliked those movies hard and didn't like star wars for the longest time because of it.
I had to be coaxed into watching the OT.
>Star Wars: 4/4 stars
>The Empire Strikes Back: 4/4 stars
>Return of the Jedi: 4/4 stars
>The Phantom Menace: 3.5/4 stars
>Attack of the Clones: 2/4 stars
>Revenge of the Sith: 3.5/4 stars
What would Ebert have thought of The Force Awakens?
It has to a grand moment, like looking off at a galaxy in a med ship. or at a ceremony.
this one felt bland and awkward. and that panoramic view did not fit the normal cinematography at all.
>No but this guy did his best to recreate it
I tried to watch a few minutes of it and even the final TPM fight still has the prequel problems. All the weird weightless CGI voids. When they move to a physical set it's a little better but the choreography for Maul's death is absurd.
Obi-Wan doing a flip over maul's head from below while Maul has him completely prone is ridiculous.
I don't understand why people thought so highly of his opinion on movies. Where did society go so wrong that people can get paid so much for telling strangers on the internet what to think?
>Where did society go so wrong that people can get paid so much for telling strangers on the internet what to think?
Ebert was a tv personality who had a great combative report with his co-host Gene Siskel. He was mostly willing to play ball with "fun" movies like Star Wars.
>communications are down
>this MUST be a sign of an invasion
Or, the wi-fi is fucked. Or maybe someone forgot to pay the damn phone bill.
>he's right though, the planet IS being invaded because the script say so
I hate Star Wars.
>I need a new place to talk about star wars
Go to tumblr then, if you need a hugbox so badly. If you can't handle dissenting opinions on 4chan then you really need to leave and go somewhere so you can't be triggered.
Everyone either has shit tastes for liking/hating different things, or is a copycat for liking/hating the same shit as you. It doesn't matter in the end; they'll find a way to shit on everything.
Best thing to do is to take those trips and be proud about being above nitpicking simple movies.
You do realize that in Star Wars, they're past the time where wifi just "goes down" or where there's a bill even existing for the HoloNet/them not paying
Communications being down like they were when they were previously functioning is a sign of outside tampering, since we know it can be jammed.
I want one.
Well Rey is the best character, but Kylo Ren is actually a character I really enjoyed. I can see him doing an anti-Vader arc, where he starts conflicted and ends completely ruthlessly evil
The Dark Side feeds off of emotions like anger. It also makes you act irrationally if you haven't been properly taught to control the dark side, like Sheev.
>Kylo Ren is the best character in TFA
That would be Finn, not Kylo. I'll wait to see Ren in the second movie before making judgments on his character. As of right now, he's just a whiney EdgeLord, and no he's no Vader, just an edgy kid.
Did anyone else feel like Adam Driver should have played Anakin? Because I sure did, he nailed the tone and feel of what George was clearly trying to do with Anakin and had so much more intensity than Hayden Christensen.
Plus they were sort of expecting the Trade Federation to do something. If you're in a situation where a bunch of assholes bring their giant ships to blockade your planet and suddenly your communications are being jammed, you can't blame someone for thinking that things are about to escalate.
Plus it's not like everyone immediately agreed. Both Amidala and Panaka were going "nah, they're not that stupid, the senate would bitchslap them"
>they fall in love, it brings out the light side in him and the dark side in her
>they end up essentially switching sides and ends with them forced to kill each other
Sounds kind of cheesy or maybe too Shakespeare, but I think it would be interesting
I'm still not sure if I liked it or not. It's very rare for me to feel this way about the movie.
I guess I liked parts of it, but by the end of the movie a part of me was going "wait, that's it?"
This is tough for me TFA was a competently made film but leaves a bad taste because of how by the numbers in is to the point of just being a repackaged ANH.
Meanwhile the prequels tried to do so much and be completely creative and unique and stumbled along the way. But I still can't help but appreciate them for what they are.
It's like good corporate Hollywood movie vs. bad movie with complete creative freedom
March of the Resistance, Snoke, and Torn Apart are the best tracks in my opinion. Especially Torn Apart because it contains the closest thing to an Imperial March style theme for the main villain and really captures the emotion of the best scene in the film.
>No but this guy did his best to recreate it
>took out all of TPM, even the semi-good scenes
>took out the whole Obi-Wan Kenobi: private eye investigator scenes in favor of the whole Anakin love story
well that was a waste of an hour
At the end of the day, I'll usually go with the movie that at least tried, rather than the one that went By-the-numbers approach. I'm just worried Disney is going to go too far and Star Wars turns out like the Marvel Cinematic Universe is. I really don't want this franchise run into the ground by a bunch of Hollywood Execs.
Watching it again makes it a lot better, I didn't really like it at first, but after seeing it again I like the soundtrack better
I think JJ had to play it safe to get the general public back on board with Star Wars, and now that hes done that Rian Johnson will make a riskier, more superior film in episode 8
The prequels and TFA seem to be polar opposites of each other.
The prequels give you a better story and more imaginative visuals, but the tradeoff is you get bad acting and awkward dialogue that does a disservice to the story.
Meanwhile TFA has great performances and dialogue and well-executed moments of humor, but the story is unoriginal and visually, almost everything is a retread.
All Prequel fan edits are a waste IMO. I've seen all of the popular ones and even a few others, but none of them work because the editors don't understand how films work. They just want to cut out what they feel is bad.
Anyone else kinda bothered that TFA had literally zero world building? Was my favorite parts of all six movies and clone wars. That you felt like the galaxy was this living breathing thing.
TFA had such a breakneck pace and didn't tell you ANYTHING about anything that it made the movie feel small.
The way they blew up a whole solar system and even the good guys didn't react and were quipping right after made it worse. Like nothing is important except the Resistance and the First Order.
I agree that she wasn't the best written character, but I feel like a lot of that was left to explore in the future. I just felt that she had the best performance out of the newcomers, followed really closely by Oscar Isaac and Boyega
The Force Awakens is a really funny movie, but I really don't want them to double down on the comedy stuff just because it worked here. Star Wars has always had humor, but it needs to be serious and I'd hate to see them yet to turn it into a quipfest like Avengers or Guardians of the Galaxy. If worked for those films and the tone of the comic source material, but shit like Star-Lord's "dance off" would be horrendously out of place in Star Wars. That said, The Force Awakens is multiple orders of magnitude better than the prequels, it's not even a contest. Abrams did right by Star Wars. I'm curious to know what Lucas had wanted to do instead, but I'm skeptical that it would be as good as what we got.
Starkiller Base felt like such an afterthought
>blows up an entire system at once
>"wow that sucks guess we should stop it"
>meet to discuss how to deal with it
>"okay let's trust this guy's word and base our entire attack on it, we good? okay get to your ships"
>Chewie lights the place up
>"shield's down, okay, let's hit it and go home"
>place starts falling apart
>"SNOKE THE BASE IS BLOWING UP AND I'M STILL ON IT WHAT SHOULD I DO"
>"get off it you moron, bring Kylo too"
What if this is all a set up for Rey to go dark side
>already skilled in the force with no prior training
>could snap at the reason why she was left on Jakku or if Luke refuses to train her
>only villains have accents in Star Wars
What if this is just Snoke's plan to get his true protege
Agreed. My favorite tracks so far(after listening a few more times since yesterday)
Han and Leia
March of the Resistance
The Ways of the Force
The Jedi Steps and Finale
I was a little annoyed, yeah. They needed to establish Snoke and the New Republic better. Just offing the New Republic like that was fucking retarded. One of my few complaints about the film.
See but J.J. did right by Star Wars by doing Star Wars safely. If I wrote down the plot skeleton of ANH it would match up almost exactly to TFA. J.J. was dealing with an audience that worships the OT and considers the PT the worst movies ever made. And so he just remade one of the OT movies.
It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth that everyone is like J J DID IT HE SAVED STAR WARS. When all he did was remake ANH and throw tons of references to the OT every couple minutes. It wasn't BAD but it didn't do anything new or exciting either.
>>"SNOKE THE BASE IS BLOWING UP AND I'M STILL ON IT WHAT SHOULD I DO"
>>"get off it you moron, bring Kylo too"
Also, I hated Hux. He just seemed like such a geek. Kylo too. Phasma literally went into the trash. And what was the point of the assholes who showed up on Han's ship?
The antagonists were pathetic.
Yeah, the movie puts a huge emphasis on the quest for finding Luke, then kind of takes a detour to deal with Death Star 3, and by the time that's they finally find look WHOOPS TIME'S UP ROLL CREDITS
I disagree, I thought Adam Driver had the best performance by far. He has really strong presence and was able to emote a lot by doing very little so it was subtle. He really conveyed a deeply broken and conflicted person in a way that I feel like was both incredibly effective and also perhaps completely missable by some not paying close enough attention.
It didn't matter. Seemed like nothing really mattered.
No one really reacted to anything in any sort of meaningful way. Everything was moving too fast for any one scene to matter more than others. Shit tier pacing, JJ.
This was my biggest complaint. It feels like we missed a whole movie between VI and VII. Like go between III and IV and despite a huge time leap everything makes sense. There are no lingering questions or confusion at the end of the movie.
honestly, one of the best parts about the film is that there was no performance that you could point out and say "wow they really weren't good in this role". Today, I think Ridley was the best, but I can't come up with anything to say why Driver wasn't any better because he was spectacular as well
Here's more. Very interesting stuff. Most of the politics and worldbuilding was cut off from the movie, a bad move in my opinion.
Honestly no, there's been far more interesting and developed villains. Like Maul and Ventress in TCW.
And Sheev is just fun.
THAT BEING SAID, I'm glad we have Kylo, he's batshit insane and I kinda' like that. Nice change of pace.
I was just about to say, I really wish they explained more about the difference between the Resistance and the New Republic. That one page you posted was really interesting. I hope they explain more in the films rather than relying on other canon books
although I guess normies dont care about the world building which is why they didnt explain shit in TFA
I feel the exact same way, and im choosing to like both TFA and the prequels for what they are and what they did right.
Life is too short to be angry and upset at my own favorite franchise.
>making something that contains a fucking star, redirects the energy into several blasts, all shot through sub-Hyperspace and precisely aimed at targets lightyears away
>it being relatively easy to destabilize is surprising.
The power of a modern super-laser on earth can vaporize hardened steel, but whack it with a hammer in the right spot and it'll break. Do it well enough it might mid-direct the laser and hit its own internal components, and therefore explode when you try to fire it.
Nothing out of place there, that shit's delicate, and precise.
Only thing i dind't understand about the Star Killer is how the hell was it that no one except for the bad guys knew about about it, everyone was surprised to know they have created a planet destroyer twice bigger than the last one.
>Only Villains have accents in Star Wars.
Explain this motherfucker.
>he thinks it takes critical analysis to realize the PTs are bad
Nothing to do with "thinking". It's an observable fact. The first reviews of TPM played the exact same tune now played for TFA.
Then butthurt fanboys started bitching so loudly all over Internet that reviewers were forced to play to the tune.
Maul and Ventress in TCW are some of my favorite characters but it's kinda unfair they had an entire series. Kylo had one movie and the performance that was put on easily stole the show for me and made him one of my favorite villains.
With TCW saving Dooku and Maul's character we really don't have a bad villain in the series though.
Hux was pretty bland. He felt like a Tarkin stand-in, but didn't have any moments where he demonstrated his authority, or where he demonstrated cruelty the way Tarkin did. Yes, he blow up a system, but what made Tarkin's act of mass destruction memorable was the way he dangled it in front of Leia, only to laugh in her face and tell her destroying Alderaan suited his goals so he was going to do it anyway.
Hux bitches at Kylo a few times, makes a big speech about how the Republic sucks (and the audience isn't given much context for what their beef is beyond "First Order Bad, Republic Good" which basically drains his speech of any real weight) and that's it. He's such a forgettable character.
I agree, its too early to judge Kylo, but as it stands, he is a fantastic character and brilliantly acted, but simply not as interesting or developed as some of the other villains YET.
He has time to grow.
So is the NR actually dead forever or did they just have their Washington hit by a nuke nobody expected Space Nazis to have?
Because the latter is how I read it (coupled with their demilitarization) but everyone in here keeps ragging on it being dead dead.
It was out in uncharted territory, so it's not like ships regularly went past it to get a view of it. They had to send Wexley over just to confirm that it was even there before launching the attack.
Yeah, I can sort of see why they would because they know that politics in Star Wars has gotten a bad reputation, but ANH- the movie that TFA is most trying to emulate- was able to do it without breaking the flow of the story. It gave enough exposition for you to understand why things are happening and then moved on. TFA is apparently so afraid to get into politics it completely forgets to give the audience any context, so it's just good guys and bad guys fighting for reasons that aren't explained.
Yeah me and my cousin cracked up at that.
We also laughed when Kylo is shattering the computer and the Imperial Officer is pissing his pants.
And Kylo asks "anything else" and before the Officer can finish his sentence, he starts getting dragged.
That guy had a REALLY rough day.
Well base don the fact that the NR's capital is moved around, I'm sure it's "fine." They'll probably do emergency elections and have some reflection on the events.
Pablo said they had a UN-style defense fleet as well, so I think that wouldn't be hard to build again.
I'm not surprised desu. The movie was good but it felt like it was a vehicle for OT references and everything else was thrown to the side. We need a middle between the PT's exposition dumps and heavy focus on politics and lore and TFA's complete lack and total focus on the characters and nothing else.
It's clear that J.J. tried to remake ANH without knowing what exactly made it so good. He put none of the subtlety into it. The little things that made it feel like a living breathing galaxy. He just used set pieces really. Desert planet. Maz's Cantina. Not Death Star.
Well phasma disabled it legitimately, but under illegitimate circumstances.
They didn't expect someone to fly a ship at light-speed into their fucking shield, and then hold up a high ranked officer at blaster-point, all on a base on a tiny planet in the ass-end of the unknown regions.
They had every reason not to be all that concerned about it.
The general normie audience doesnt care about the politics, its one of the biggest complaints of the prequels.
They'll still have it all, it'll just be explained in the books, whereas the movies will focus entirely on the action/adventure and character drama.
He is in TCW too anon. He gets revenge on Obi-Wan, and then decides to create his own Empire with the intention of becoming a third faction in the war. Guy was sadistic and yet ambitious as fuck.
It really bothers me that Coruscant is no longer the capital, like to an irrational degree. It just doesn't make any sort of sense and seems to only be the case of them distancing themselves from the prequels and perhaps to avoid having to make more CG renders of it with modern visuals. Not that I want more Senate shit or any significant amount of time to be set there in these films, but acknowledging it would be nice or maybe getting a few scenes showing the Republic leadership based there. Moving the Senate around between planets is just dumb, but maybe now that they got annihilated they'll move back there for safety.
Hosnian Prime was the current capital(since it switches around) but basically the leaders were all taken out as well as the Senate and the Republics fleet.
Member systems/planets of the Republic can just vote a new capital and elect new Senators/ask former senators to temporarily fill in during this crisis.
They'd also need to rebuild the fleet, but that shouldn't be hard because it's only said that the NR had the largest defense force. Planets probably have their own forces which they'll pool together into a fleet to take on the First Order
They made sure the side with the giant death laser never orbited in sight
They're pretty damn crippled right now, and it feels like the FO get's the edge, for at least having it's leaders still alive. As for the NR, they lost their Senate and a good people and resources in that region.
Does the Visual Dictionary have anything about Starkiller Base in it? Namely, what planet it was before turning into a weapon, to prove/debunk once and for all if it was Ilum?
But anon, it sucks up the sun as a power source!
Certainly didn't look like it when it was getting blown up. There were a handful of large ships that I noticed, but certainly not the size fleet seen fielded by the Old Republic or Empire in previous films.
I think it was, but it wasn't that large. Remember planets in the Republic probably have their own small fleets as well now. I think Mon Mothma's plans in the end are going to work. FO just kicked a hornet's nest and lost their spray can doing it.
>He is not worried about the First Order, as long as the former Imperials are contained within their borders and are following the dictates of the Galactic Concordance
This is the guy that fucked up
I wish the movie just didn't have a superweapon plot. It adds nothing to the movie and we're not even given much reason to care about it. The story should've focused on the search for Luke and leave the superweapon for another movie instead of trying to squeeze both plots into the same movie and ultimately weakening them both.
He could use his saber fine.
You people act like he wasn't just shot, by the thing that was throwing fuckers meters away throughout the whole movie, in the gut.
He was winning until Rey went Force trust on him, and even then he was still defending himself well.
Does it matter?
I mean it's clearly able to hit across star systems, which is probably the advantage. It's in first order space somewhere that nobody knows about and nobody could normally get to because it's guarded by their forces, instead of running around blowing planets up like the death star
They had no problem rendering Hosnian Prime briefly, so it's not that. The film had plenty of other prequel references or callbacks, so it's not that either.
It's just part of the new canon. It makes sense too, since planets would be wary after 23 years of Imperial rule.
It was. The New Republic was mostly demilitarized and had a small fleet compared to the Galactic Republic and the Empire. The Hosnian System had all of the NR fleet and was destroyed by Starkiller Base.
I'm fine with it, it was cool looking and way more destructive. But they really better not do it again. 3 times is an absurd number of times to try the same exact plan, albeit the third time was vastly more successful than the previous 2. And that excuses it because the Death Star II was useless and only destroyed a single ship.
Not surprised you enjoyed it. You're not very intelligent.
Hux was a bland little geek and his 'speech' reminded me of Sinestro's speech in the Green Lantern movie, in that it seemingly served NO purpose other than padding to make the trailer look cool.
Also, even besides the pic- I went in really wanting to like this movie, and I did until Han showed up. Then it just nosedived into oblivion.
The worst film i've ever watched in theaters.
The score was dogshit too. Rey's theme was good and that's it. Jedi Steps was shit.
I really don't understand how anyone could enjoy this disastrous miscalulation of a movie.
>He could use his saber fine.
He really couldn't. It's not like Luke ever was taught that much, and on top of that it seems the Knights of Ren don't use them. He had basic training at best.
I think I loved the entire movie until Rey suddenly became a badass lightsaber user.
Have Kylo about to kill her only for a green lightsaber to block the killing blow and the movie becomes 10x better. Or at least do a 2 on 1 against Kylo. It just made no sense.
Take out Starkiller too. Then you got a great movie.
Part 2. I gotta pick this book up myself
I love it. He's like, what, 30 in character but Kylo's entire character is someone who hasn't had to evolve since he was 15. The tantrums, the affectations of control and gravitas, all of it. I love Kylo but he really is, as noted in interviews before, an unfinished villain. Which I only finally got when seeing him just spastically wreck a room in the movie.
Anyone else kinda laugh at how Finn was wielding the lightsaber against Kylo like a competent Jedi and it was a legitimately impressive fight. And then Rey, force prodigy, comes in with the lightsaber and just kinda awkwardly pokes at Kylo while running backwards? It immediately took me out of the movie. It felt like their choreography guy played a joke on her.
>The general normie audience doesnt care about the politics, its one of the biggest complaints of the prequels
while I agree, I wish they explained things a simple as the difference between the Resistance and New Republic, but I'm autistic when it comes to what's going on in universe and world building
How would it be out of nowhere? He's the strongest force sensitive in the galaxy and an entire solar system just got wiped out and then his best friend was murdered by another force sensitive. Luke definitely felt all of that he's just a little bitch now and stayed in his hermit cave.
>I'm not surprised desu. The movie was good but it felt like it was a vehicle for OT references and everything else was thrown to the side. We need a middle between the PT's exposition dumps and heavy focus on politics and lore and TFA's complete lack and total focus on the characters and nothing else.
That's where the live-action TV series is going to end up, obviously.
I swear, half the things pointed out in those blurbs in this book are outright intentional comedy, so many of them are stupidly funny. Like the one pointing out Han's new jacket and how Leia didn't notice it was new. Like who the fuck is writing that with a straight face?
>I think I loved the entire movie until Rey suddenly became a badass lightsaber user.
She didn't though. She was only able to hold her own because Kylo was fucked up majorly from Chewbacca's bowcaster shot(which was powerful enough to send FO Stormtroopers flying earlier in the film) to the side. Coupled with Snoke saying that Kylo's not completely trained, it's not hard to believe a force sensitive, staff-wielding woman could hold her own against him.
These books were always like this. It's a tradition I love it. Also Pablo wrote this VD.
I see you're new to the Visual Dictionaries, they've always been full of this kind of stuff
And miss out on the nostalgiabux?
For shame, anon. How would you have gotten all of those normie reviewers to jerk off to it if you didn't beat them over the head with the fact that it's a blatant ANH rehash?
Because they weren't sure what the plan for the franchise was gonna be post-Jedi, whether George would decide to keep going or not and they felt like a TV show based on the main crew would limit creative options for new films.
That's why Droids and Ewoks existed: 3PO and R2's past before the movies was fairer game and Ewoks were lucrative and off on Endor doing their own thing. They were popular characters, but not supremely important ones in the overall Star Wars story.
>Like who the fuck is writing that with a straight face?
Does anyone know where Poe's adventure between the crash and showing up to save the day will be told? Is it gonna be a comic or what?
They are in denial. That's the only explanation.
The movie was outstandingly awful after the 20-30 minute mark, and it just kept getting worse until the end when the shot lingers on Rey holding out the lightsaber wayyyyy too fucking long THE END
Just garbage. Comparing the prequels to this is an insult to the Prequels.
Thumbs up, But I was thinking it could totally be edited to be a middle finger.
The Star Killer was clearly more than ten times the size of the Deathstars.
I also think they might have been surprised the Empire would try this kind of thing... For a third time.
Dunno about that, but I could totally see Snoke wanting to break Rey's Darkside Virginity and ditch Ren.
Tough one. Max's role could've been played by any old guy, it didn't really require much talent, but at least his role has SOME purpose. Every scene with Phasma could be replaced by different nameless stormtroopers and it wouldn't make any difference.
Poe was found by Hondo Ohnaka's grandson, Pro'Fit Ohnaka. After mentioning Skywalker accidentally after a long drinking session, Pro'Fit recognizes the name from old Clone Wars stories Hondo told him and takes Poe to the Resistance base immediately to help.
Max Von Sydow had 3 minutes of screen time and should have been either a villain or an old Jedi that Luke helped train. He's a legendary actor at this point, could have and should have been literally anything more. Gwendoline Christie isn't really wasted since her character's armor is the only thing outstanding about her anyway.
>did not enjoy the film
>'y-you guys just hate fun!'
Maybe we have fucking brains in our heads. Just because you giggle and clap at every nostalgia shot in the film doesn't mean everyone has to. I, personally want GOOD storytelling with my nostalgia bait. This film did not deliver.
Seriously though, I know 4chan is overly cynical a lot, so I thought the movie would be pretty good.
I seriously think it's one of the worst movies i've ever seen. It was so bad I was just waiting to lesve by the end.
So, so disgustingly, pathetically awful.
The strange part is that it's so objectively terrible that I don't see why anyone would want to pretend otherwise.
What if he's dreaming of his times with Anakin and Obi-Wan during TCW? Do you think he has overwhelming "waking up from a good dream to a worse reality" depression until he started up the map?
>"Oh dear... Artoo says he has seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.. he watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears...in...rain. Time to die. Oh, I can't bear to watch."
Finn is a soldier, he's more than willing to smash into a guy with a laser sword, and we know Stormtoopers use melee weapons.
Finn's only user her stupid staff, and isn't as confident in fighting - even still, her poking is more reminiscent of fighting with a staff.
Because I recognize it has storytelling failures, but it was a good film nevertheless?
I mean, I went out of the theater wanting more Star Wars than ever. If it was an awful, horrible, no-good film, I wouldn't be here commenting on it.
So... What's the deal with the shutdown? Did Luke tell him to do that before leaving? If R2 wasn't being a sperg everything would've been resolved much faster, what changed at the end that made him spontaneously come back?
>I can't think of any negatives about the movie! It's still bad!
No need to think of something glaringly apparent.
-Rips off IV so much that a few minor changes would be enough to turn it into an outright remake.
-Absolute lack of visual imagination, whether we talk about landscapes or designs. Everything good is ripped from OT. Everything remotely original is not good. Things that had potential to be good, like the Starkiller base are completely vasted.
-Shitty cinematography that does not resemble Star Wars. Camera that cannot stand still. Lack of panoramic shots.
-Complete inability to give a character more than one dimension without shitting all over him/her. Rey and Poe have no characterization beyond skillz and generic heroism. Finn is a comedic stereotype of a nigger, despite being supposedly raised in a strict military environment, whose only motivation to do anything heroic is pussy. Darth Tryhard's quest for edgemastery is happening for absolutely no established reason. Han suddenly forgot everything he has learned in the OT and also got weak-willed enough to be badgered into attempting a task which he correctly believed to be futile. Leia grew into a bitchy wife who can only nag her husband into doing stuff. Luke fucked off to sulk while the First Order was preparing to murder billions. Hux proved to be a poor substitute for Tarkin when he ran to Snoke asking what to do the second something went wrong. Even Phasma managed to reveal herself as a gutless coward in the short time she had. Both sides are pigmies and twerps compared to heroes and villains of previous episodes.
I hope no one minds if I post my own short review:
It wasn't as bad as I feared, it was enjoyable, and better than the prequels. They did hit some good balances in a lot of things, like Kylo being intimidating but also you could see he was clearly no Vader, a nice balance in the lightsaber fighting, etc. But I feel JJ played things 'too safe' and decided to just recycle a Lucas script than try to do too much of anything original. Also, too many held gaze shots between characters, after the second one I wondered how long it would be before 'staring movie' became a meme. Held gazes can be meaningful, but they should never break past the fifteen second mark without something happening. Also felt during the interrogation, Ren should have actually grabbed Rey's head to better fit the 'physicality' aspect of Darkside users.
tl;dr: 6/10, would watch again and am holding hope for the next installments.
-The search for Luke made no fucking sense. Sure, there might be an explanation why Luke both wanted and not wanted to be found at the same time, but it was not presented in the film. (Inb4 you complain about unclear reasons for events in PT - the off-screen tax disputes were a McGuffin, a nominally plot-starting device that can be replaced with something else without impacting the plot at all, while motives for stuff that actually happened on the screen were perhaps even overexplained).
-Absolutely retarded, SoD-breaking shit happening SOLELY for plot convenience. The heroes on the Generic Forest Planet somehow seeing the destruction wrought by the Starkiller. Total absense of security on the First Order base (on DS I the villains wanted the heroes to escape). Falcon hyperspeeding right under the shield - sure doing that instead of going on a near-suicide mission with an infantry squad would have been handy on Endor! Shields on the Starkiller that can be turned off by a random infantry officer and cannot be turned back on from the main bridge. No fleet protecting the Starkiller (DS I was expected to be on a little more than a shakedown cruise with live fire exercises, the only problem with the Rebels was supposed to be finding them). No fleet attacking the Starkiller, just because they wanted to replicate ep IV point-by-point. I'm sure more can be found, but those are just the most glaring.
>>wonderful character interaction
hell no, Leia was Days of our Lives tier
>>fantastic set design
>>very well done action segments
*very stolen from ANH
I agree with everything except set design. The only sets that didn't look plain were the Star Destroyer and Starkiller Base ones, but they were basically just copies of the old Star Destroyer and Death Star hallways and control rooms.
>Finn is a comedic stereotype of a nigger
Ah, I see what your deal is now.
So that means that the only reason R2 woke up is because he finished defragmenting and has sorted all of his memories.
Also, I like how Luke had his fake skin removed from his robot hand. It makes him look cooler.
R2 was depressed because Luke left.
>what changed at the end that made him spontaneously come back?
He must've finished de-fragmenting and sorting.
Yeah, she's just super good at fighting, flying, fixing, is super pretty, misses only her first ever blaster shot and then has dead-eye accuracy, everyone who meets her instantly likes her and has immense Force powers.
Totally not a Mary Sue.
The capital of the New Republic is now the Random System. It took all emotional impact from me too when I learned about it. At first I was like YOU ABSOLUTE MADMAN, YOU DESTROYED CORUSCANT and then it was like... eh...
>Ah, I see what your deal is now.
Stating the obvious? I'm not the one who made him only doing heroic things because of pussy or inserted humor based on the nigger stereotypes, from the moment he meets Rey to the moment they catch Phasma.
Hosnian Prime got BTFO because the New Republic thinks changing the capital to a new planet would be brave and bold and letting the enemy do their thing and not step in when they should is a good idea.
Besides, Coruscant is a core world that still belongs to the Empire and I don't think the First Order and the Empire are at war with each other
Nope. I saw that and I was all "The fuck, the establishing shot was a city, and they said they were attacking the Republic", so I put 2 and 2 together. It comes up as 6 apparently
Considering shes gifted with the force and gew up having to survive in horrible conditions most of those are justified.
Itd be like calling my nigva Paul Atreides a mary sue
>"There's been an awakening. Have you felt it?"
The Empire doesn't exist anymore. It withered away after the Battle of Jakku. The First Order is the successor to (and a remnant of), it.
Guy what's the name of that Asian X-wing pilot? is this a new trend where there's always a token cutey asian pilot? I just recently found out that Angelababy plays as pilot too in Independence Day 2
They do. It's why Korriban was renamed Moraband, because they sound too similar for normies. Lucas didn't want them confusing the two.
Yeah, I thought it was pretty lame how the opening credits didn't talk AT ALL about the new republic. I wasn't actually that wowed by the opening credits but I think the movie was alright over all. Maybe it'll grow on me a little but it'll probably never have the same effect as the original trilogy since I watched those when I was a kid. It looked pretty great though.
Eh, alright. It's all in good fun.
It's a fact that you should we repeatedly beaten with a dictionary filled with the word "fact" in every language.
>implying that Revan will even become canon
>3P0 created a droid spy army that he commands
Badass armor, useless person inside. Fitting for the leader of Stormtroopers really. You are more than welcome to go live with her in the trash bin though, I'm sure she'd enjoy the company
And I just realized I've been posting as SountrackAnon instead of SoundtrackAnon...
Surrender now, and your life shall be spared.
<3 you too
Hopefully soon. I'm waiting on this dude to finish up his set of custom covers for the saga so I can have the thread vote on whether or not to use them. He just needs to release his RotJ and TFA ones, though I can probably hold the vote after RotJ and then just choose the matching cover for TFA when he releases them
>Most of the politics and worldbuilding was cut off from the movie, a bad move in my opinion.
THERE WERE LITERALLY NO POLITICS IN THE OT. NONE. WHY DO YOU WANT A STORY ABOUT AN ESSENTIALLY SMALL GROUP OF CHARACTER MIRED BY POLITICS 101!?!
>THERE WERE LITERALLY NO POLITICS IN THE OT.
But what if the Rebel Alliance continues to gain support in the Imperial Senate? What about the bureaucracy? How will the Senate react to the Empire seizing a diplomatic ship?
You're an idiot.
>Empire existing is a thing
There was always implied politics in Star Wars, it was just never the focus, dont be silly.
Politics in Star Wars isn't a bad thing. Look at how fun Sheev was. And I love the stuff on Mandalore in TCW.
We know that, while rare, some planets do have kyber crystals(ex: Utapau and Lothal). It's probably not Ilum, but rather a planet similar to it or the previously mentioned ones.
It's also probably worth saying that it's confirmed that Starkiller Base wasn't Ilum, because it didn't have the kyber crystal explosion color and effect.
>THERE WERE LITERALLY NO POLITICS IN THE OT. NONE
IV-dealing with Leia was going to be an issue until the dissolution of the senate
V-Lando only did what he did because he was in charge of cloud city. Even then he had to set things up for Lobot to take over before he could bail everyone out
VI-Luke used Huttese politics to his advantage to plant R2 and 3PO in Jabba's palace for his plan to work.
>What about the bureaucracy?
How?! How does the Emperor plan to maintain control without the bureaucracy?! He can't be thinking of giving the regional governors DIRECT control over their territories! Could he?
That logic works for basically everything but Star Wars, where the books are actually necessary for movies.
It makes sense in a way. First and only of it's kind would require it's own class distinction. We don't know if there are others, or if they are built the same, yet.
But what if word gets out that we've attacked a consular ship? And that we're holding Leia Organa prisoner? It could generate sympathy for the Rebellion in the Senate.
>They'll still have it all, it'll just be explained in the books, whereas the movies will focus entirely on the action/adventure and character drama.
I can live with that. Still get the action of Star Wars with MUH WORLDBUILDING. And in the books, they can go into greater detail.
Don't forget Tarkin's lines about the emperor disolving the senate as well as Leia's stuff- the imperial senate will not sit still for this/im a member of the imperial senate on a diplomatic mission
way more than TFA
Why? How is it "early" to create a class designation? Just because a car only gets a single prototype or a very limited production doesn't mean they don't name it.
>way more than TFA
I like how literally all six movies provided you with more information about the state of the galaxy than TFA did.
Yes, there's background in the opening crawl, but none of the other movies relied entirely on it to give the set up for the whole fucking movie.
Finn as a character makes zero sense though. He's too quirky and comic relief for a character that somehow managed to break away from a lifetime of conditioning. All he knows is the first order but everything he does after leaving them doesn't fit that.
He was upset about all the death in his intro scene but once he decides to leave be is a OK with slaughtering troopers he himself acknowledged were victims taken from their families and conditioned to serve.
Also he was taken as a baby yet being conditioned didn't take? How? It's all he knows and I feel like there were tons of holes. He was also way to emotional and loud. Screaming "now that's what I'm talking about!" As loud as he can just makes me cringe and things like lying to Rey about who he is feel pointless. He feels like two characters shoved into one.
Rey knowing how to pilot was really the only thing close to sueish that doesn't apply to almist all SW movie characters. It makes sense she's good with tech because she's a junker who works with the stuff nonstop. The problem is Han should have known her longer. Force sensitive are essentially Newtypes in this movie right down to the autism.
The flat editing didn't help this movie honestly. It amazes me that Kylo Ren being Han's son was just casually dropped with no ceremony. It was a big question heading in. Poe not being dead was similarly just thrown away. They just show him in the X-Wing and namedrop him. Like why fake his death at all if it amounts to zero drama or suspense? Phasma is the biggest waste though and exists solely for having a named trooper to make toys of.
yeah i couldn't really think of what to call him, maybe sith apprentice would have been more appropriate.
but he wasn't intimidating, him sperging out on death star planet was made out to be a joke. The audience is just laughing at him at that point.
>managed to break away from a lifetime of conditioning.
This literally happens in real life. Some people simply aren't as malleable as others, and Finn has a natural strong moral code.
>yeah i couldn't really think of what to call him, maybe sith apprentice would have been more appropriate.
He's a dark side acolyte/user.
The Sith are dead. Extinct. They died out with Sidious and Vader in RotJ.
Are you literally asking why Finn is willing to attack Stormtroopers that are trying to kill him, kidnapping his new friend, and part of an organization he realizes is evil and states so in the film.
Which is fine but the movie makes zero effort to explore this. And those that exist in real life are not as well adjusted as Finn. It doesn't factor into his character nearly as much as it should if you take it away you still have mostly the same person and that's a problem.
lightsaber vision scene
Some are speculating that it was Kylo that left kid Rey on Jakku and supposedly the novel states that Kylo knows who Rey is. If Rey is Luke's kid, Kylo would have felt compassion towards his cousin to spare her, and maybe save her from another KOR that was about to kill her, and leave her on Jakku with MVS's character who knows Leia and who Kylo really is.
Not that guy, but supposing Finn's moral code was developed through nurture rather than nature, having spent his entire life under the care and training of the Order, it wouldn't make sense.
However, it could also be a matter of him having developed that code through his interpretation of the Order's training. But that's never explained, which is also a problem.
>He's too quirky and comic relief for a character that somehow managed to break away from a lifetime of conditioning.
If only he had a more discernible arc that provided more character and we got to see more that lead up his decision to walk away from everything he ever knew.
If only there was another movie with a character like that...
>shoot these civilians
>doesn't do it
You're not good at watching movies.
He's a morally upright guy, and this is shown by his actions when he tries to help Rey when he sees her being assaulted by the gangsters.
No I'm pointing out that a victim just ignores the fact that he's killing fellow victims after stating they were all stolen from their families and brainwashed. He had issues with violence in his intro and than we see him impaling footsoldiers and shrugging it off without a care.
That's shitty character writing.
finn was the best character. rey was a straight up mary sue. she shouldn't have been able to do a something as complex as a jedi mindtrick with out guidance.
let me remind you, luke was only able to use the force with guidance from obi-wan in ANH.
>MFW he stopped that fucking blaster bolt
And that was when I knew I liked him. I'm hoping whatever Snoke does to him between this film and the next turns him into even more of a fucking beast.
He's simply a very good-natured, dude. He didn't totally buy-in to the First Order's propaganda
This is very fucking clear when Kylo senses his unwillingness to follow FO orders and immediately knows he's going to defect.
How do you miss these cues?
Good news. The guy released his RotJ covers. Now, I can either
A. Hold a vote regarding the covers now, and choose the matching TFA cover when he releases them, and begin uploading the soundtracks 1-2 days from now.
B. wait a few more days to see if he releases the TFA covers
I'm also wondering why, despite apparently knowing exactly what he's been trained for and even being aware that the First Order has a giant superweapon designed to kill billions, being part of a squad that kills innocent civilians is apparently the first time he's questioned this.
Maybe they could had him say that he'd been questioning this for a while and actually experiencing it first-hand was what made him commit to leaving, but we're not given much information and the movie's pace moves him pretty quickly through his story without much time to explain.
What if she had training as a young kid but was made to forget one way or another? What if she had this power inside but being unaware of it meant she could never use it intentionally? And when she touched the lightsaber and remembered her past, her ability to use the force awakened?
>The Force Awakens
Mad Max is never shitposting. Stay butthurt, bitch.
He had trouble with killing innocents, not killing people who were trying to kill him that he KNOWS are brainwashed since he saw them mow down innocent civilians.
And consider the fact, that he doesn't want to fight until they kidnap Rey.
There's nothing he can do.
But why? How? He isn't some kid who joined willingly. He was taken as a baby and raised to be a solider. He was nurtured to be loyal to the order but for some reason it doesn't take. Why? It's not really touched on its just glosses over like its no big deal much like his modal code after the intro his moral code disappears. He lies to impress he only helped Rey because she didn't view him as a weapon. He only didn't run because she was taken. And he put millions at risk for her by lying about being able to turn the weapon off. He probably would have ignored it if Han wasn't there. In what world is this a good character his arc is nothing but plot hole after plot hole.
It's obvious he never bought into it in the first place. He just obeyed because he had no other choice. He knows about the weapon, and that's why he wants to run to the unknown regions.
Seriously, watch less anime. I can tell you're an /m/ poster by your lack of understanding.
>it's an okay movie
It's a great movie.
They write him as if he signed up himself without realizing what he was doing.
And why is there a resistance? The First Order should be the new Rebellion and Leia and co should be the actual military or something. They are resisting a terrorist organization that holds no political power. Why is it not just the alliance? Because they were rebels in the ot? Because that's all I got. World Building was shit in this movie it was all throwaway lines.
natural inborn goodness.
It isn't any complicated than that. Do you want me to give you real examples of soldiers raise from birth in heinous regimes that refused to follow terrible orders and defected?
I could accept that I guess I would rather an army being a touchy subject in a post clone/Trooper society and the resistance having to protect people in secret but they treat details like that as pretty much unnecessary. It just feels weird to have a movie that says the Rebels win and the Empire is weak and rebelling themselves now but contradict it by making the First Order feel like the bigger army.
To be fair, most people in Star Wars tend to be several of those at once.
The only ones I thought were just too much were her expert piloting through difficult obstacles, her perfect aim (after apparently not even being familiar enough with a blaster to get it to work at first) and her sudden ability to use the mind trick. Even the duel is helped by the fact that Kylo's in bad shape by the time he fights her.