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First for "George Lucas, you were right all along" posting.
Monthly Reminder, the ones you loved are dead, and are never coming back.
P.S., they died for nothing.
They're deliberately dangling it, but I'd be amazed if it wasn't true.
The Cinematography and the boatload of hints would make it a pretty ham handed red herring, and Finn proves they know how to handle red herrings well.
Gotta put my money on falling deeper into the dark side.
You dont kill Motherfucking-Harrison ford and get away with it.
Best he can hope for is a last minute redemption. Considering how theyre already lifting from the OT, angsty teen vader might get one.
I'd prefer Phasma and Hux to be redempted over him, he's didn't do the trick for me while Hux did and Phasma has the adventage of being played by an amazing actress. Also if stormtroopers are all indoctrinated it'd be easy to set up redemption for her.
I'd personally like it if he and Rey swapped sides.
clearly struggling with his emotions and isn't particularly well trained, and Snoke might manage to push him further away
Looking back on all the fake rumors is fun.
>Rey is Han's daughter.
>Finn is Lando's son and a rebel spy.
>Dohmhall Gleeson is a comic relief cowardly inventor who keeps switching sides to save himself.
>Lupita N'yongo is a Luke's apprentice and Poe's lover.
>Gwendoline Christie is a sorceress who worships the Dark Side.
>Max Von Sydow is Rey's caretaker, a cyborg who collects artifacts connected to the Force.
>Kylo Ren is a X-Wing pilot who becomes obsessed with the Force and betrays the Rebels to join Snoke.
>Snoke is an powerful Sith Lord whose body was destroyed by Luke. However, He became one with the Force and has since been tormenting Luke into succumbing to the Dark Side, forcing Luke to exile himself, and also influencing the remnants of the Empire and seducing Kylo.
>Inquisitors armed with lightsabers dedicated to killing all Force-Sensitives.
>Jedi Hunters who artificially harness the Force and are loyal to the remnants of Empire.
>Blank lightsabers that change colors depending on its' wielder's alignment with the Dark Side or the Light.
>Han sacrificing himself to destroy the Starkiller Base by kamikazing it with the Millennium Falcon. His last words are "Never tell me the odds".
so with the movie out im wondering
how worthwhile are this this and the Clone Wars show?
i fell of CW rather early and haven't seen any of this but
hey this is the EU now i should jump in at some point
Rey falling to the Dark Side before coming back to the Light in the final film would be interesting. Like a condensed version of the 6 original films. Rey joining the Dark Side at the end of the next film would also be a good mirror for the Empire winning at the end of episode 5.
I don't think Rey really has the personality to fall to the Dark Side though. Although I guess Snoke could tempt her by offering her the power to save Finn's life.
Clone Wars gets shockingly good after the first couple of seasons.
Rebels got good in the second half of the first season, second season started strong but has been doing episodic plots but the latest ep was pretty good.
>Lupia N'Yongo plays Assajj Ventress
>Benedict Cumberbatch plays a young clone of Palpatine
>one of the villains is a descendant of count Dooku
To be fair this sounds less wild than what Jar Jar actually wanted Cumberbatch for.
I disagree. He doesn't seem like a Vader at all and I don't think he will get a similar story arc. If he gets redemption, it will happen slowly over the whole trilogy and he will suffer more than Vader did. But unlike Vader he might survive and walk off into the unknown regions. If he doesn't get redemption, then he'll probably become the Big Bad and murder Snoke.
Whatever they do, it will be different to what Lucas did with Vader, because Kylo Ren is a completely different kind of character. He's a complex anti-villain who desperately wants to be a complete monster. We never had anything like that in Star Wars before which is awesome.
This is Annikin, I've reached the sneaking point.
Are they changing the standards on how deep into a gravity well you're allowed to safely enter and exit hyperspace now?
Are they also changing the standards on how planetary shields work?
I'm rather astounded that
Starkiller Basewasn't escorted by Star Destroyers, did they not learn their lesson from the Death Star?
I Still suspect that the rumour that he has to rely on old sith artifacts for power (maybe not completely, but partially) If you look at how he acts thoughout the movie, it screams -SELF ESTEEM ISSUES- which could definetly stem from him really just being average or below average with the force. Particularly his freeze move looks suspecious. Its an immensively powerful trick that we havent ever seen before, but he seems kind of underwhelming otherwise, you ?
>tfw no more Empire of the Hand
Unless Luke has actually been building his own Empire of the Hand populated exclusively by Jedi
Where did you get that? im genuinely interested. I spent a lot of the movie wondering how the hell things ended up the way they are, politically. And where things are taking place, geographically. Like is the Order in the outer rim? what happened to Corruscant?
Does the New Republic not have many ISDs either?
I rather enjoy concept of the canon universe being one where the major difference is thanks to an early peace treaty everyone sensibly disarmed and there was a gradual climb-down over time of armaments so the conflicts become more local and sporadic.
It makes for a very large and obvious difference to Legends in which thanks to the lack of an early peace treaty the war just kept scaling up and up and up until by the time of the Yuuzhan Vong war there were Star Destroyers basically everywhere, and the NR had three whole fleet groups guarding Coruscant alone.
He seems to be very powerful and he would've destroyed Finn and Rey if Chewbacca didn't shoot him before, so it's not that he's weak. But he is still inexperienced and he has basically zero self control while Rey can stay collected even in a stressful situation.
I imagine they're in a cold war scenario that
Starkiller Basewas supposed to break.
Next episodes will probably be the rest of the galaxy turning on them, and Snoke/Luke taking a more personal role in it all.
Remember how hard Obi Wan got him when Alderaan got destroyed?
Imagine how Luke must have felt when
The Senate Solar System got wiped out
>in the EU years everyone was complaining about Imperial splinters and new Imperial superweapons so much that they brought the Yuuzhan Vong to change things up
>the new canon which is supposed to be a new beginning for Star Wars includes an Imperial superweapon built by an Imperial splinter
>everyone loves it anyway
Miss me yet?
He is brutal and aggressive, but he was also being humanised from the very beginning. Did you notice how his behaviour changes whenever he doesn't wear his mask? He seems much more insecure and vulnerable whenever the mask is off, even in the scene
where he kills Han
Although he's a cruel villain, we're supposed to relate to Kylo in a twisted way.
>Finn and Poe being Force-sensitive.
>The Rebels having a superweapon of their own.
>Luke being a cyborg after several battlefield injuries, more machine than man.
>Luke and Kylo harnessing so much are Force they level an entire planet in the wake of their duel.
>Phasma being obsessed with killing Finn, leadind to a fight between them.
>Hux being Palpatine's son and being betrayed and killed by Kylo for dismissing the Force.
I liked how he paid attention to Finn during the open scene and immediatly knew he was the one who had defected. It was nice having a leader who seemed to actually pay attention to his underlings.
They talk about the Star Destroyer on Ren's page.
It also says that there is a Republic Fleet and it's the strongest army in the galaxy, but it's a fraction of the old Republic's clone army in terms of strength. They also explain about the Republic senate scene, the world they destroyed was Hosnian Prime not Coruscant.
I felt that the First Order cared more about it's troops than the Empire did. Plus I liked how Hux defended his Grandfather when Kylo mentions that they should have used clones trained from birth after Hux's men failed
Yeah, it seems like they cut out many scenes and I really missed the scene of Kylo sitting in the Millenium Falcon that was in the MSW synopsis. That would have probably been very powerful, but I guess the plot was already too bloated.
Post your most ridiculous predictions for episodes 8 and 9.
A new clone army is made from Phasma
Funny how Starkiller Base is basically a cross between various non-canon superweapons:
General shape and concept
>Eye of Palpatine
Looks like a celestial body (asteroid/planet)
It's a crude North Korean knockoff of a Death Star
Delivers a beam through hyperspace
Rey turns to the dark side and Kylo turns to the light side. Kylo kills Rey and becomes a main protagonist in the next trilogy.
It's not impossible, but I would be seriously surprised if they actually did something like that.
>The New Republic did not settle on Coruscant. Instead, its capital shifts across member worlds by a process of election.
This sounds incredibly inefficient. The infrastructure of the bureaucracy needed to govern a galaxy of billions of worlds surely is not so easy to uproot and move every few years.
It's probably a great way to make the alien worlds feel important though.
"Hey guys, we're the republic, but we want you to know that we're not some faraway uncaring assholes, so we're going to come and have our sessions on your planet!"
And this is Star Wars, so they could probably have just strapped rockets and a hyperdrive to the senate building or something.
>And this is Star Wars, so they could probably have just strapped rockets and a hyperdrive to the senate building or something.
Oh great now I have the image of the hover platforms on the senate rocketing through space.
Everytime I see that symbol, all I can think of is "barbed cock ring"
they finally found Luke at the end and only Rey and Chewbacca and R2 went there. Leia didn't want to drop by and say hi? They didn't think they might need to bring some X-wing escorts since they have no idea what dangers are lurking in the Unknown Regions?
So do you reckon that the Knights are going to job when they turn up, be presented as a threat to normies but not force sensitives, or are they going to be a legit threat to all concerned?
Were there any Bothans in this movie? Aside from the Mon Cal at the strategy meeting and that weird new long-faced alien in Poe's squadron I'm having trouble remembering if I saw any other alien Rebels at all.
Since we're talking about rebel's superweapons...
Leia get the command Alderaan's Will, a powerful terraforming tools made to give a new home to the victims of war(s) or to fix planets that have been ravaged by them. Used on a inhabited world however...
But with the threat of the First Order, the temptation is great to use it to destroy their Bastion and end this war already. How many worlds we won't have to rebuild by destroying a single one?
Apparently those Rebel troop transports are built from cannibalized B-Wings.
There was a Sullustan in the X-Wing squadron, and plenty of aliens in the base shot, especially near the end.
>The European Parliament has three places of work – Brussels (Belgium), the city of Luxembourg (Luxembourg) and Strasbourg (France). Luxembourg is home to the administrative offices (the 'General Secretariat'). Meetings of the whole Parliament ('plenary sessions') take place in Strasbourg and in Brussels. Committee meetings are held in Brussels.
By making peace with the Empire and disarming the New Republic is really just saying "fuck you I got mine" to the planets still suffering under Imperial rule aren't they? Somewhat contradicts their original intention to free the galaxy from the Imperial yoke.
It's not like both the NR and the Empire are holding superweapons and the threat of mutual assured destruction is maintaining the cold war. If the NR had the upper hand their ideals should have demanded they press their advantage, if the Empire had the upper hand their system would demand the same.
>Luke, a trained Jedi, couldn't stop Vader from reading his mind to find out about Leia
Rey, a scavenger with no training, easily repulsed Kylo's attempts to get a picture of the map from her head
Luke was inches away from losing his shit, mostly self trained and Vader was one of the most powerful Force users who ever lived,
Rey is untrained, but Kylo quite clearly is too in regards to anything subtle.
It's barely an apt comparison, m8
So I just read The Crimson Corsair and the Lost Treasure of Count Dooku short story. When does this take place? Before or after Endor? It would kind of be cool if Kix is still running around with Sidon Ithano even if he was biologically ancient
Do Stormtroopers all train to fight with vibroblades? Only explanation I can think of for a guy who works in sanitation to be able to handle a saber. At least Rei is experienced in fighting with a staff.
>le baby girl
How did people feel about it anyway?
I'd been looking forward to it, then a combination of spoilers and reviews branding it a 'rehash' really brought me down right before attending a midnight release screening here in the UK with my bros - I ended up expecting to hate it.
Poe giving BB-8 the map (Death Star Plans) really had me rolling my eyes, but in the end I came around to actually appreciating the way they used so many original trilogy setpieces with different spins, showing history repeating itself, establishing the new leads while having the older characters react in different ways.
Got home at 4AM, woke up today and on a whim went to see it again with two of the three same bros at the first daytime showing in my hometown, actually appreciated it a lot more the second time since I could focus on how the story was told rather than trying to pick out differences and details about the new 30-years-down-the-line state of the universe.
I'm so glad there wasn't a bullshit 'No, I am your son,' reveal or anything, which is what the spoilers had made me expect and worry about. In a way, knowing about Han's death made it even more tragic.
I have a feeling swtor inspired a robot in the castle in the force awakens. Go look up Scorpio in swtor and look at the robot in related picture. They look really similar.
Because Hollywood hates tall girls :(
Yeah honestly the movie has a hell of a lot of similarities to ANH but frankly that's okay, because Star Wars came out in the 70s and most of the audience of this one are kids now. It's alright to reuse ideas and reintroduce them to a new generation, frankly as time goes by the chance of them sitting through the originals will go down.
one day she'll shine in something that's not GoT
... r-right? ;_;
Exactly. It was more an inversion of Jedi's Luke/Vader moment in that Ren did the opposite of redeeming himself by saving Luke - rather than what I was worried about, that it'd just be a simple reversed father/son reveal from Empire.
Yeah, to be honest it really takes elements from the OT as a whole rather than just ANH - it's a pretty simple way of establishing "right, THIS is what Star Wars is," to normies who maybe caught one of the prequels in theaters or on TV but (rightfully) got bored by their meandering and put off the franchise.
Makes sense to get "JJ the reboot man" for this instalment, then hopefully we can see some cool new stuff in the next two episodes and anthology movies.
>lil sister had never seen OT until a month ago
>She would always say she didn't like SW just to spite me
>show her IV on thanksgiving weekend
>she likes it
>Says she really wants to know what happens next
>show her V couple of days ago, and VI just last night
>live in San Diego, so cross the border at noon to see a 1:30 pm showing of the movie down in Mexico
>I tell her I'm gonna cry when the big SW logo comes out in the beginning
>tells me "aww don't cry"
>she is really digging the movie
>then we get to
the part where Han dies, and she just starts weeping like a baby
>I could see it comming and I'm just like there there with water in my own eyes
>maximum light and dark pottery in that scene btw
Anyways, rank movies like this now that I've seen it
also, mfw the entire movie
Shit, forgot to toggle my spoiler tags. Oh well.
I took my kid cousin to the premiere in Australia, he had a great time. There were plenty of kids there, including a little girl wearing a Stormtrooper mask, that was pretty cute.
It's hard to put VII up there with the OT since they're never going to be quite as iconic and change things the way those movies did, but putting those things aside, from a storytelling point of view, Awakens has much better pacing throughoutI (between Jabba's palace and the Battle of Endor, things drag quite a bit), even if Jedi's peaks are higher.
The prequels are hard to rank. III goes at the bottom for me personally just because it's way darker than I think Star Wars should really get (Anakin slaughtering children makes it hard for me to accept his "redemption" in VI - even if his involvement with the Death Star has a higher bodycount, you don't see those on screen directly), however it also has the dankest memes so it's difficult
>it also has the dankest memes
Here's a Christmas related one
>rating II more highly than I and III
>rating IV more highly than V
The New Republic never claims Coruscant. It's capital is and always was Chandrila.
As such, that whole subplot with the spy trees? No good. Anything that depends on the New Republic being on Coruscant just gets fucked in general.
Also, all the chronology regarding the Empire's relationship with Honoghr was already fucked by the prequels moving the Clone Wars and the birth of the Empire forward considerably.
>yfw somehow just found out this was a thing
Are they fun to play as in this?
Did you ever hear the story of Rudolf the Reindeer? I thought not. It's not a story the Jews would tell you. It's a Christmas legend. Rudolf the Red Nosed Reindeer was a reindeer with a shiny nose so bright he could use the light to direct Santa's sleigh to deliver...presents. He had such a shiny nose that he could even keep the ones he cared about cheerful on Christmas day. Christmas magic is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. His nose became so bright...the only thing he feared was the other reindeer laughing and calling him names, which eventually, of course, they did. Unfortunately, the other reindeer wouldn't let him join in any reindeer games, then Santa hired him to guide his sleigh. It's ironic. The other reindeer rejected him, but not Santa Claus.
Read the text, it'll explain.
Not in the movie. Chandrila, as Mon Mothma's home world, was designated the capital of the New Republic in the novel Aftermath. According to the Visual Dictionary, after the Battle of Jakku (a little more than a year after Endor), the Empire and the New Republic struck up a Galactic Concordat, setting operational boundaries; the Empire mostly stayed in the Core and Inner Rim, while the New Republic takes the Mid Rim and Outer Rim Territories. The First Order comes from a group of Imperials who went off into the Unknown Regions, essentially they're the Empire of the Hand version 2.0.
SoulCalibur IV was kind of a misfire in general, as the SoulCalibur series goes.
You'll trash the AI's shit with Yoda from here to Coruscant, but if you try to take him against a human opponent of any decent skill he's basically garbage.
Vader's almost the reverse of Yoda that way. Struggles against the AI (which I'm sure must be cheating...or maybe I just really suck) but is upper-mid tier competitively.
Starkiller's somewhere in-between.
I can't really recommend it unless you absolutely must have a fighting game with lightsabers.
It's a hell of a lot better than Masters of Teras Kasi or TCW: Lightsabers Duels, though. It's bad for a SoulCalibur game, but it's all right in a general sense.
Interesting. I suppose if you tortured the lore a little, you could claim that Coruscant
had been selected as the capital by process of election for the period in which Thrawn trilogy takes place, but that it was changed because of protests by disaffected systems. This sort of aligns with the Thrawn trilogy, because in the first chapter with Luke in it, he says that setting up government in the former Imperial Palace gets the symbolism "all wrong".But that's admittedly just wishful thinking on my part.
II has some hilarious lines, and is genuinely awful throughout, whereas I is not only bad but boring - there's about an hour after the podrace where fucking nothing happens.
I don't necessarily think II is better made, but it's more fun to watch with ur cheeky m8s.
I also prefer IV since the original Star Wars has a greater significance as a film, what it changed about Hollywood, George's struggles to get it made, the fact that every sign pointed towards it being a disaster yet one of the most significant films of the 20th century was salvaged from the troubled production.
V is great, and it's probably a better piece of drama, it's probably the best 'Star Wars film,' but as a film academic I just find IV to be more fascinating, particularly since it's the only one of the original trilogy which George directed himself, the way he recasts John Ford Westerns and Kurosawa Samurai movies into this grand retelling of Campbell's Hero's Journey. It's absolutely beautiful.
>In the new canon, the Imperial Palace is what used to be the Jedi Temple.
i hate it
This is beyond crap.
A facist system of government and a Republic can't co-exist like this. Logically, both systems of government would find themselves drawn to war, and in the context of basically the everything we have seen from the movies, this is some revisionist stuff. So the Rebellion signed a truce with the remnants of the empire. The most bloody regime imaginable, whose officer corps is compromised mostly of war criminals, and they just let them go. Let them go, rather, with a chunk of the galaxy to govern, or rather genocide and exploit for resources to build massive weapons of mass destruction which are to be turned on the Republic in due course. This makes no sense. None. Neither side gain from this. Is it just so JJ can make a group called "the resistance" again? It is, isn't it.
>In the new canon, the Imperial Palace is what used to be the Jedi Temple.
Why in gods name would a sith lord want to do this. He fucking hates the Jedi, why would he just take over their temple without melting it down first.
So that he can shit in every single Council member's personal bathroom at least once a day.
Also because there's actually an ancient Sith shrine deep beneath the Temple that the Jedi never knew about.
>You realize this is just like how the UN tolerates current-world regimes that are awful, right?
The UN's entire goal goal is to maintain peace, not overthrow a specific government.
It's pretty bad.
inb4 somebody compares it to the Soviet Union. This doesn't work, because the Soviets fought a war with the West against a common enemy, so they had strong diplomatic ties in the period immediately following WWII. Both West/East were united by a desire to create a stable post-war world. The same dynamic wouldn't exist between a totalitarianism that regards the rebels as illegitimate terrorists and the rebels who are nursing wounds and grudges formed over generations.
According to the EU the Empire collapsed into warring factions. The Republic has a powerful defense fleet that's stronger than the Empire, so by signing a treaty with them they're essentially letting the remains kill themselves off.
The First Order is basically just a terrorist organization.
>A fascist system of government and a Republic can't co-exist like this.
>both systems of government would find themselves drawn to war
Which will most likely happen now that the republics fleet has been destroyed
>with a chunk of the galaxy to govern
A chunk that was pretty loyal to the empire
>Neither side gain from this
Empire can recover after losing several high-ranking admirals. Rebel Alliance can consolidate their power and catch their breath.
Facist governments always dissolve into foreign expansion. Logically, the empire remnants would always strive to govern the galaxy, not whatever backwater they were exiled to.
>loyal to the empire chunk
Why leave a rump state, where it can rebuild, rearm and then threaten the galaxy again? And they clearly made incursions into republic space
>consolidate their power
By letting their greatest enemies live? Then sponsoring a resistance which undermines their own peace treaty.
>New Republic is most likely completely wiped out with the destruction of the Hosnian system
>First Order had their main base destroyed, but much of their leadership has escaped.
We're going to get AotC Mk.2, mark my words.
Hopefully without the awful directing and writing.
>Facist governments always dissolve into foreign expansion. Logically, the empire remnants would always strive to govern the galaxy, not whatever backwater they were exiled to.
Why couldn't they just do that in secret and with a lot of plotting? I mean, that's what the First Order has started to do in TFA
Stalin only agreed to the non-aggression pact because the West refused to deal with Hitler. Stalin had been pleading for an anti-Hitler alliance for a long time. Hitler was seen as a way to contain the Soviets by some powerful people in the West, but then he became an even bigger problem and only then did the West intervene. Molotov-Ribbentrop was self-preservation on Stalin's part and would inevitably collapse. Everybody recognized that. You couldn't have built a Cold War style coexistence on it.
So does that mean that the Empire exists in some form as well alongside the New Republic and the First Order? If they do, I wonder if they still use the original Stormtrooper armour?
What happened at jakku where the empire and New Republic struck a truce? Must have been hardcore for both sides to concede.
>Empire stayed in the Core and Rim, New Republic takes mid Rim and Outer Rim
I call complete bullshit on this. Both sides claim to govern the galaxy- only one can. With the rebellion, can they seriously claim to be champions for democracy and peace whilst Billions suffer under the Imperial rule? And the Empire would never allow itself to lose the Mid and Outer Rim by diplomacy, they'd have to be militarily destroyed before they would compromise like that. And at that point they'd be so weakened as to be vulnerable enough to collapse, so why even bother with a truce?
The Rebels would know that it how the empire operates. By just letting a section go, they are asking to be attacked down the line in a few years.
The only calculation that makes sense was that the rebels were too weak, and needed to re-stock before expanding again. But the way this is phrased suggests the Rebels don't intend to actually liberate the galaxy, just the bits of it which matter politically to the members of the rebel alliance itself. Hardly the heroes they've been portrayed to be.
>completely wiped out
Nah, they are like the Empire, too massive to be destroyed in one take-down. Although TFA is pretty shit when it comes to explaining basically anything about what is going on outside of the main characters
You think this will be explored with ANY significance? Its just an excuse as to why their are a group of 'rebels' going up against evil imperials again, instead of massive fleet to fleet combat that should be happening.
This coming from a setting which can't actually explain where humans come from and why they mostly populate the galaxy
>..not whatever backwater they were exiled to.
Which is what the First Order is doing.
>Why leave a rump state, where it can rebuild, rearm and then threaten the galaxy again?
I think that you're really overestimating the Rebel fleet at the end of ROTJ.
>Then sponsoring a resistance which undermines their own peace treaty
What is a Cold War, Trebek?
I want a badass Ewok to show up in the sequel series
>that's what the first order is doing
Why in gods name they are being allowed to exist in the first place if the Rebels/Republic KNOW they are doing it is my contention.
>over-estimating the fleet
I have no idea what happened then. None, and TFA doesn't have shit either. So I can't really claim anything about this.
>Cold War, Trebek
It's not cold if you flat out just support them, so much that your opponent KNOWS your doing it. Cold wars are mostly through spies, intelligence etc. At most you have proxy wars, but the Resistance isn't a proxy, its basically an armed wing of the Republic. It loses its value of...whatever its actual purpose is (defeating the First order?)
After Endor, the Empire started falling apart left and right, by about three months later a few of the leaders convene an emergency session to figure out what the fuck they're going to do to try and salvage things (the plot of Aftermath involves this).
At Jakku, the Imperial remnant(s) dedicate a huge portion of their fleet to the battle. It gets rekt hard by the New Republic fleet, losing what is potentially their only remaining SSD.
Lost Stars covered some of the Battle of Jakku, but only just a small portion of it showing an Imperial captain get her ship wrecked and boarded right before it starts to fall to the planet. I'd assume the final book of the Aftermath trilogy will show the battle in more detail.
>Will Episode VIII be the Finn/Poe bromance power hour?
I hope so. From my second viewing, their relationship was one of my favourites in the movie.
I just love all the shit with Rebel pilots in any of the movies.
Really disappointed that Rogue One isn't going to be some kind of Top Gun Rogue Squadron movie, though I imagine it'll still have some cool ship stuff.
So if Kylo has Vader's head does that mean he went full Skywalker on an Ewok village?
Is Kylo a Supreme Gentleman to Snoke's Supreme Leader?
Devestated yes, they lost their current capital and they might face ANOTHER Seperatist crisis given that they look weak. But it's going to take a whole lot more to destroy a whole galactic government.
Much more likely, they'll be going full on the war path "The Republic Strikes Back"
he also hasn't been soul-molested by sheev
>III goes at the bottom for me personally just because it's way darker than I think Star Wars should really get (Anakin slaughtering children makes it hard for me to accept his "redemption" in VI
That's why Luke forgiving him is so fantastic. Because Vader thinks he doesn't deserve to be saved. The Emperor believes that he doesn't deserve to be be saved. Most of Luke's allies believe he doesn't deserve to be saved. But Luke does. And that's why he won:
Vader turned himself into a monster because he was trapped by shame and self-loathing. Then his son, who he maimed, frees him.
Also, let me get this straight. An entire planet getting destroyed in a callous act of mass murder is a-okay in your book, while a room full of kids getting killed is going too far? And you have issues with the "Sith Win" movie being dark? What? Did you want sugar and rainbows to flood the stars while the My Little Pony theme blares out ad nauseum?
Not that anon, but when you have the phrase "killing younglings" as a way to cover up "killing children" then you have some seriously dark stuff. My complaint would be that kids were actively marketed towards in Phantom and Clone wars, so the tonal shift was odd. Artistically it makes sense, but it was abrupt.
Why is it that nobody in the movie seems to give a shit about what happened to the Hosnian system? The senate just got wiped out, hundreds of billions of lives were lost. Leia should be going fucking berserk that another Alderaan just happened and nobody seems to care. What the hell man, that's fucked up. I really hope we get a book that deals with the consequences of this event.
Star wars has always been shit with people dealing with death. Han died, Leia moved on WITHIN the same movie, you can find examples of this throughout SW.
2 buildings in New York went down and shit hit the fan for fucking years, you think if DC went down people would be fine?
>mfw explaining to normies that coruscant wasn't destroyed will become the new explaining to normies that stormtroopers aren't clones in the OT
Just like when the Death Star destroyed Alderaan in ANH. Leia even lost her family and she didn't seem to care at all. You can't put too much emotion and character development into a 2 hour adventure movie, especially not when it's as fast paced as ANH and TFA.
TFA was too similar to ANH, but it made everything that happened in ANH look better because of newer CG and cinematic ability. I can't wait for the books going over the time skip and the events just after the movie.
>but it made everything that happened in ANH look better because of newer CG and cinematic ability
Ezra's extreme bursts of power come unbidden in moments of extreme emotion. He's very strong but has very little control, because he started very late by Jedi standards and is burdened by all the problems that come with years of life outside a sheltered temple environment.
THAT makes sense.
Rey suddenly being at least as good with the Force as Obi-Wan was in The Phantom Menace after literal decades of training, not so much.
He's Ben reincarnated. He found the whole "dying again" routine pretty annoying since he'll have to look for another body to possess I mean another completely willing donor, yes.
>dreaming about standing in line for movie because I have boring dreams
>Some neckbeard is complaining that they didn't base the movies off the legacy books
>Give into my anger
>Spoil what character isn't returning next movie
>He starts to cry
>Collect his tears to power planet destroying super-weapon built by space tentacle rape monster eons ago
Who else darkside here?
>finn is introduced
>"Did Lando get hit on the back of his head or something? why is the lower half of his face so forward?"
>some laughs and gasps
Not my best but I was content with it.
>but it made everything that happened in ANH look better because of newer CG and cinematic ability
I don't really care about Han dying seeing as Ford wanted him dead since V but I swear if they end up killing Luke "Stood up to the two most powerful Sith ever" Skywalker for some more forced dramatic BS...
Just got back from my theater. I loved the movie.
The new cast didnt feel forced and Fin was incredibly good.
The old cast was important but they didnt overshadow the new cast at all. Fin stole every scene he was in.
Plot was a little short but the film did what it needed to. Set itself up for the next films. I honestly left the theater wanting more star wars. I can't believe I have to wait for the next movie to come out.
I want new star wars games/comics/rpgs/everything set in this timeline so bad.
Overall I give the movie an 8 out of 10. I can't wait to see the sequal.
>for some more forced dramatic BS...
It's called good storytelling, you fucking mongoloid. Killing Han was necessary because his arc was finished and new characters like Poe wouldn't get any screen time if Han was still around in Episode VIII. Luke and Leia will die too, sooner or later.
To be fair at his age Anakin was also a wanna-be edgelord
Nice racism, try again Kylo
He's absolutely right though, it may be better ftom a technical standpoint but it's just as bad in everything else, especially in how it deals with the franchise as a whole, it's a massive step back.
Both x-wings vs Tie Fighter scenes were orgasmic.
I can't fucking wait to see what they do with more ships in battle in the next films.
I need to see capital vs capital ships with these effects. I FUCKING NEED IT MAN
I know you are probably memeing, but if you are honestly being serious then you are either underage and don't understand anything about movies or you simply have shit taste. The new movie is great and on par with the OT.
>a pressurized cockpit, an ejection seat
Rebels shows the standard Imperial TIE has a pressurized cockpit, and Aftermath shows they have ejection seats, though apparently that last one isn't widely known in-universe.
>this argument again
People said they would never dare to kill off Han because "fans would be so mad that no one would ever watch Star Wars again!". They did it and no one seems to be upset about it.
Casting is what prevents me from giving it 10/10. I knew going in the story will be meh, at least it wasn't complete shit.
>pointless flashy Captain Phasma
>napoleon dynamite kylo edgelord
>all the force control acting
>mister fuck up fin
>super evils first order w/ mean bad officers
+worlds traveled to
I really liked the film. The 1st 3rd was amazing. Sure, it slowed down kinda in the middle, but the ending was pretty good.[Spoiler]The cocktease of Luke at the very end was cruel. I also did cry when Han was killed. I personally hate Kylo Renn, but I feel like he was Anakin done better and what we should have gotten in the prequels. I did enjoy seeing Rey kick his sorry ass at the end though.
When I walked out of the theater I yelled into the crowd "CHEWBACCA DIES".
little do they know that his partner died instead
>tfw some people on twitter are now calling Kylo "Darth Fuckboy"
Because the actors are old and going to die at some point.
And besides, they need to make room for the new characters.
One thing I actually do like is the fact that Luke fucked up so incredibly quickly trying to pull together a new Jedi order. The Jedi Order was at its absolute height just before the Clone Wars happened. This barely-trained kid isn't going to restart the whole thing overnight. It's going to take a long time, if the Jedi ever do properly come back at all.
>talking with the people next to me before the movie
>"Yeah, Phasma is such a badass design, and obviously the Boba Fett replacement.
Hopefully she won't die a comedic death..."
It was lightsaber dueling for noobs. The inexperience of Rey and Finn were obivous, though Rey still managed to get the upper hand on Kylo, probably because she is much stronger in the force than he is. Over all, I felt the battles were more subtle, just like how it was in episode 4, and not over the top like in the prequels. I give it a 7/10.
Yo, I think Han even recognized her. The Falcon being 'stolen' and left in the hands of the same guy who took Rey away from her parents is just too convenient. He wouldn't let some fat alien fucks keep his baby for 30 years without a reason.
>stopped a blaster shot in mid air
>can rape people's minds with the force
>effortlessly freezed Rey and knocked her out with the force
>got shot in the stomach by Chewbacca's powerful crossbow, but was still able to beat Finn and dominate Rey in their fight
>didn't even want to kill Rey, but to turn her to the dark side
Why do people say Kylo is weak for losing to Rey when he was emotionally unstable, severely injured and still a bit inexperienced? He actually seems to have more potential than any other SW villain before him.
Wait so they basically totally destablize the Republic and it's just treated as "o that happened, MOVING ON"?
Shit they better have some major Republic retaliation in the next one.
Well except showing how to fuck up Starkiller base. The shit the First Order tells their janitors.
Yeah this, they made damn sure that he was fighting with both of his hands tied. Love that he's not the butthurt Vader-fanboy we thought he was going to be.
> guys Phasma the first female Star Wars villian will be bad ass!
i dont know what i expected considering how popular Boba Fett is for how little he did.
lots of good Stormtrooper moments though
Luke will probably tell Rey what happened to her, Kylo and the other students in the next movie. Then we'll learn more about them. It's a bit disappointing that we only saw them for a few seconds, but at least they seem to be badasses.
There's not much they could have done with it, without it just being mentioned and ignored in favor of the imminent destruction by Starkiller Base, which is more important at the time for the characters.
>fo running wild
>his own student is falling to the dark side
>goes to a fucking mountain to hide instead of helping his best friends get their son back
I can get that Luke doesn't want to teach new students, but defeating kylo and snoke should be a priority. Billions of sentients died while he was sitting on a rock.
I hope so.
>Squad of evil villains, each with a unique weapon
Is one of my favorite enemy types.
I also hope Snoke retains his fuck-huge size and it isn't just a hologram.
Give me the action figures
>Well except showing how to fuck up Starkiller base.
people only looked to his word only because said he was once there (as a janitor), I bet they could have thought of it themselves considering they were the ones who got past the shield. Finn even says to Han on the base that he has no idea what he is doing, that nothing he said actually had basis on fact.
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Don't get me wrong, I loved this movie, but I hope they don't make VIII too much like empire. Having Rey rush off, without completing her training, to rematch Ren and get beaten, will make the trilogy feel too much like OT.
His name is Lor San Tekka. As far as anyone can tell, he's a brand new character. There are theories that he may be a very old, very discouraged Caleb Dume aka Kanan Jarrus under a new pseudonym, largely based on the fact that if you wanted to make an animated character who looked like a young Max von Sydow, it would look almost exactly like Kanan, down to the eyebrows.
i'm still triggered about the lack of Intercepters.
ties getting back lasers are cool but seem to just mean two people get killed per TIE instead of one.
>the once structure connected to the big gun and something else, power core or coolers or whatever
really wouldn't take them long to put two and two together. I mean it was one of the few things on the planet.
MSW reported 3 separate explanations for him:
1. He's a character who watches over Rey (or Kira as she was known then)
2. He's a Clone Wars veteran and an old version of a character who appeared in the prequels
3. He's Boba Fett, or rather he's the man who kills Boba Fett and steals his identity, now old and retired
Gets captured by Kylo Ren
Gets broken out by Finn and escapes with him.
Comes back in a X-Wing and does flying that makes Anakin look like a bitch ass podracer.
Delivers the killing blow to The thing 20 times bigger than the Death Star
Least screen time of the new main cast, most based.
Filoni says this season finale is gonna be the best and worst we could hope for. That does not sound good for Ahsoka at all.
Also, is it me or is the chick from Rebels Recon getting hotter each episode? :o
On the first half he's literally the male version of Leia.
Gets the location of Luke and gives it to BB-8.
Captured and tortured by the First Order, but only Kylo Ren made him crack about the location
Has a ridiculously great chemistry with Finn. He actually made up with the name Finn since he didn't like the Stormtrooper codename.
Disappears in Jakku, Finn and BB-8 thought he was dead.
Reappears again on Maz Kanata's planet, leading an assault against Kylo and the FO troops.
Destroys Starkiller Base.
Should have a bigger role in VIII now that Han is dead.
Can we talk about how Nien Nunb was not only in the movie, but how he got a promotion to Red Leader, AND died a hero's death (sadly offscreen)
Fucking Resistance doesn't treat their aliens allies well
Poe's the first time I've actually felt like there was an actual badass pilot in charge
i may be the only person with this complaint but I really needed more space politics in this
No that complaint seems pretty common, reading things on other sites. People wanted at least SOME info on what the fuck was going on with all that. And that blowing up the Republic Capital doesn't really work as well as it should because we don't really know anything about the New Republic beyond a couple of lines.
She's probably not dead, she got dumpstered before the rebel attack even began so there's plenty of time for her to have escaped. It definitely hurts her intimidation factor that she got fucking clowned on though
I only want, like, one conversation that sets up what exactly is going on with the galactic power and then that's it.
Like, just how big is the First Order? Was the Starkiller all they had in terms of a Motherbase or do they have other large outposts?
>are the New Republic just as incompetent and wishy washy as the old? ignoring the obvious problem until it's far too late?
I think they got shoved into a corner more than anything else, but it still felt bullshit to me.
I miss Wedge, but Poe's a damn good replacement. Poe>Rey>Finn in my opinion
It was awesome. Honestly my heart leaped a little when I saw that little guy and I'm surprised it made me as happy to see him as it did
also pretty sure he makes it
>Was the Starkiller all they had in terms of a Motherbase or do they have other large outposts?
Snoke was obviously not on starkiller, which begs the question of where the fuck was he
Yeah just some quick like "We have blah % of the galaxy supporting us" and someone to be Leia when the NuAllderian gets blown
And didn't the first order win already? Like blowing up the star system of your enemy is a hell of a thing.
>Episode 9 The Jedi's Revenge
>Snoke and the New Order looking as strong as ever
>All hope seems lost for the resistance
>Luke dies after teaching Rey her final lesson.
>Becomes Force Ghost
>Finn Dies as a hero, sacrificing himself to save the heroes.
>Epic fight between Kylo and Rey. Kylo loses
>Star fight thrown in there somewhere.
>Leia dies leaving Poe as the new Leader of the resistance
>As all hope seems lost for Rey during her fight with Snoke. Kylo Ren steps up to help defeat the Dark lord
>Poe is deeling with duties of becoming the new King of the Alliance
>Kylo vows to help start a new Order training Jedi
>Rey walks off into the sunset Clint Eastwood style leaving the audience unsure of what comes next
I was holding my breath waiting for them to turn the corner and find her covered in muck carrying a machine gun.
Yeah she's probably still alive and will be used as Finn's rival and "link" to the First Order.
The book confirms it's a Kaleesh mask. It's pretty vague about what exactly he is, but given that his body is a pretty normal-looking human shape he's probably not a Kaleesh himself.
Well no, the Republic has far more than one Star System, we already know they also control major worlds like Naboo, Taris, Coruscant, etc. So they should be battered but still around unless they were retarded and had their entire military there because plot stupidity.
No it was Hosnian Prime, Coruscant isn't the main capital of the Republic anymore in a show of good faith to the Mid and Outer Rim systems or something like that. Now the capital is changed every few years by democratic vote.
So yeah Coruscant is fine, it's just not as important as it once was though I presume it's still the economic center of the galaxy.
Ok so here is how I feel about the film
+ Kylo Ren is not a Vader clone and is well acted.
+All of the new three were well cast
+The humor, at level which Lucas could never achieve.
+Excellent use of special effects and practical effects.
+Mostly subtle in it's nods to the first films.
+Finn and Poe scenes
+Kylo Ren and Hux scenes.
+The Lightsaber fight felt really good. Tense and fast while feeling natural.
+Poe making the Skywalker family look like shit pilots.
Rey's desert life is boring as shit.And is even more boring to watch
Kylo's temper tantrums almost border on silly
Finn is just a bit to thirsty for that scavenger ass
Snoke and Luke cocktease is going to make this a long couple of fucking years.
Parts I did not like
-Starkiller base out of fucking nowhere, btw it's a souped up Death Star and can take out whole systems.
-need a companion book to know that the First Order blew up the capital world for the New Republic, the whole fucking senate is dead, but you won't know that unless you buy the book.
-Some faggot on agar.io spoiled the big shocker.
-Phasma is the definition of wasted effort on a cool design.
-R2-D2 wakes up, for no raisin
-The ship scene with the two gangs Han swindled, while fun, contributes nothing to the film.
He reminded me of a red Durge with cheek spikes.
I hope they can redeem her as a villain. They've never really had a non-sith villain that has seemed a legitimate threat in the films
>all this confusion
Jesus fuck Abrams what the hell is wrong with you
At least Lucas had the decency to build up Alderaan's destruction enough that people knew the name of the fucking planet.
Did they even say the name? It getting blown up was less hitting than 'Many Bothan spies died for this' Hell even with the Bothans they had somewhat of a moment of silence
NYC to w/e planets DC got it got it
Actually more like Toronto to Ottawa
>need a companion book to know that the First Order blew up the capital world for the New Republic, the whole fucking senate is dead, but you won't know that unless you buy the book
they explain that in the film. They spell it out for you even
>Some faggot on agar.io spoiled the big shocker.