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ITT cartoons with brilliant atmospheres stymied by shitty animation,

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ITT cartoons with brilliant atmospheres stymied by shitty animation, and mediocre plot, and awful intro sequences.
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Disregarding OP's blatant bait, I'm going with this.
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>>78112565
>>78112625
Here's your reply
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>>78112565
>>78112625
Disregarding OP and anon's blatant bait, I'm going with this.
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This board is going to become /v/ with cartoons now, isn't it?
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>>78112625
>Disregarding OP's blatant bait
How is it bait? I complemented it on it's brilliant atmosphere because that's the one thing it truly excels at. Aku is an inconsistent villain, (why didn't he just instant teleport Jack at the very beginning? If he can instant-teleport people, why can't he just instant-kill them?
The animation is very ugly, and I hate Will.I.Am.
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>>78112691
Become?
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>>78112701
What does that guy have to do with Samurai Jack?
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Okay...

Despite the fact that I love the show, I can understand that some people might not like the fact that Samurai Jack isn't plot or character focused. I can understand if they don't like the art style or the animation, but not liking the intro? What the fuck is wrong with you, anon?
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>>78112565
>more than 10 words
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>>78112565
>shitty animation, and mediocre plot, and awful intro sequences.
>Samurai Jack
Holy shit, that's rich OP!
I almost believed you for a second!
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>>78112625
>>78112658
actually no, both were shit to the core

i'd say FoP minus the shitty intro part. dimmsdale was such a comfy place, cuties like trixie or tootie or chloe around every corner, and instead the manlet hack in charge of it makes every character a SCREAMING MORON and every episode about cosmo or crocker or timmy's dad.
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>>78112658
>>78112625
>>78112565
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>>78112565
Well memed friend.
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>>78112565
Man, I really tried to get into this how. So many people seemed to love it so much, but having watched the first 5 episodes, I can't see where all the love is coming from.

The action is all boring, cutaway garbage, the jokes/gags aren't particularly funny, and the plot doesn't seem to have too much to it so far.

Like, does it get better? Is there more to it than just nostalgia for babby's first action cartoon?

I'm honestly asking here, not trying to bait or anything. What's the appeal?
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are you trying to trigger me
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>>78113732
>nostalgia for babby's first action cartoon

Really, I think it's this. I've given this cartoon three chances. When it was initially airing, again with a boyfriend, and once more recently to see if perhaps my perspective of it has changed over the years.

It definitely has it's moments, but it's far from being a god-send or monumental. The best aspect is Kevin Michael Richardson and Mako's acting.
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>>78112625
>>78112658
Disregarding OP and the anons' blatant bait, I'm going with this.
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>>78113732
>>78113809
>women
Of course you'd hate it

>>78113820
Seriously nigga? You're calling the intro, plot and animation of BTAS bad?
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>>78113860
I'm not a girl just because a girl responded to me anon.

And how is it that a being a girl means you can't appreciate it? What's so great about it that only a manly man could understand?

Can you explain to me why you like it?
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>this entire thread
this is a mess
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Disregarding OP and
>>78112625
>>78113820
>>78112658

im going with this
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>>78112565
Good choice OP
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>>78113809
>The best aspect is Kevin Michael Richardson and Mako's acting.
The best by far is the atmosphere, and that's what I think people appreciate the most about it. It does a fantastic job with its establishing shots and Genndy's a master at using audio to strengthen the atmosphere. The dude especially knows how to use silence.
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>>78112701
I have to agree about the animation. I'm not a fan of the style outside the episode where he fights the black ninja in all white.

It's biggest problem was the ratings it needs. Every time enemy had to be one a robot.
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>>78113897
I'm with you anon, at this point, i really don't know whos baiting who
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>>78114002
I don't think that fighting robots was what held it back.

Like, if you just replaced all the gear splatter with blood splatter, the fights are still framed blandly and with as little animation as possible.

Haven't seen the ninja fight, but I've seen stills, and it does look very different.
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>>78114018
We're all baiting everyone.

We're master baiters.
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>>78112803
>What does that guy have to do with Samurai Jack?
Who? Will.I.Am? He's singing the intro to every episode.
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Why can't we just be exicited without shitposting? Is it even your DNA?
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>>78114486
I'm not shitposting.

I'm trying to understand why people are excited, and voicing why I legitimately couldn't get into the show.

So far, no one's actually responded to me with why they liked it.

Shitposting is if I like, complained about the lack of strong female characters, and said that Aku has rape overtones and the show needed to be more progressive. But I'm not saying that.
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>>78113888
>And how is it that a being a girl means you can't appreciate it?
Women have awful taste.

>Can you explain to me why you like it?
Streamlined storytelling that has no filler, leaving plenty of room for action. Amazing color pallete. Best cinematography in a cartoon in the 2000s. Funny and badass villain.

Really if you like anything about Akira Kurosawa or Shaw Bros films (and if you don't you're a huge faggot) you should like Samurai Jack
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>>78114140
>I've seen stills of an animated sequence so I can judge it off of that alone

you are very bad at this
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>>78112862
>but not liking the intro? What the fuck is wrong with you, anon?
It's mediocre pop/hip-hop trash and I really mean that without baiting at all.
You see hiphop and pop music are mostly trash, but there are notable exceptions.
I actually like a few hip-hop songs (ex: Biggie Smalls, MC Chris, Eminem)
and I actually like a few pop songs (ex: Fuck you by Cee Lo Green, Call me Maybe)
Samurai Jack's intro is just bland. The lyrics are as follows:

Gotta get back
Back to the past
Samurai Jack
Watch out
Gotta get back
Back to the past
Samurai Jack
Jack Jack Jack Jack Jack

>Wow. What the fuck is wrong with people who think this isn't a good song?
I don't know anon, do you think THIS is a good intro?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ufVQIUEiYc
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Jack vs the Lava Monster is great
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>>78114554
When does the great cinematography start?

Cause so far, the action scenes have all been really bland.

>Bad guy draws weapon
>Cut to still frame of weapon with speedlines in the background.
>Cut to still frame of Jack's sword
>Clank sound with a white flash
>Wide shot, jack lands on the ground in a crouch. Enemies have their hands cut off.

It's basically all been some variation of this with the exception of the first episode Aku fight.

>>78114604
I was saying that I've seen stills and the framing looks massively different, so I can hold reasonable doubt that it might be good, as opposed to what I've seen in full, which was all awful.
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>>78114639
What age and/or nationality are you exactly OP
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>>78114655
the scene is on youtube
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>>78114554
>Really if you like anything about Akira Kurosawa or Shaw Bros films (and if you don't you're a huge faggot) you should like Samurai Jack
Speaking as OP, I do LIKE Samurai Jack, but I wish the art quality wasn't so garbage. The framing and scene writing is brilliant but the plot is pretty shit.
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I was with you until that last part, OP.
Will I Am did a good job.
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>>78113897
>>78113192
>>78112943
>>78112658
>>78112625

If you call it baiT and don't like it, why did you reply? Why bump the thread? I don't get this.
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>le bait thread.
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>>78114658
>What age and/or nationality are you exactly OP
Before I answer this question, I want to know why you asked and what assumptions you have about me based on my previous posts.
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>>78114678
>Will I Am did a good job.
see >>78114639
Also
>genuinely enjoying shitty music written by a child who is desperately clinging to the coattails of his infinitely more talented, famous and successful father.
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>>78114639
I bet your favorite bands are Animal Collective and Kraftwerk. :^)
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>>78114774
>I bet your favorite bands are Animal Collective and Kraftwerk. :^)
I literally haven't heard of either of those.
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>>78114702
>If you call it baiT and don't like it, why did you reply? Why bump the thread? I don't get this.
Because they're all nostalgia fags protecting babby's first action cartoon.
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>>78114796
Fucking plebeian little shit. Bet you like Nickelback and Queen.
Get tutored, you little pleb shit.
>>>/mu/
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>>78112691
you mean it isn't?
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>>78114992
>directing people to the worst board on 4chan
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>>78114992
>Fucking plebeian little shit. Bet you like Nickelback and Queen.
I don't know who Queen is, and I think Nickleback is the blandest shit in the universe but I'm usually pretty accepting of any music. I mean I mostly listen to the Beatles, AC/DC and the Death Note OST.

Also, just because I have nothing to prove to strangers on the internet, I'm going to tell you something that I know will get me blasted as a turbo-pleb. I actually kind of like Maroon 5.
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>>78115027
>he doesn't know what Queen is
>he unironically listens to the Beatles
>he unironically listens to AC/DC
>he unironically listens to fucking anime OSTs
>HE ACTUALLY KIND OF LIKES MAROON 5

HOLY SHIT!!!! /CO/ HAS SUCH TERRIBLE TASTE IN MUSIC!!!!!!
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>>78115151
>inb4 this thread gets screencapped and shitposted all over /mu/
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>>78115151
>he unironically distracts from meaningful discussion
>he unironically types in all caps
>he unironically gives a shit what kind of music other people listen to
LOL PLEB GO 2 REDDIT! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>78115151
Not that anon, but I've got a music degree from my college, as well as a career as a working musician, so I literally have the academic and career authority to tell you you're a fucking asshat. He can like what he likes. Of course he should listen to Queen, but shitting on The Beatles is just contrarian dickery.
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>>78115187
>implying this whole thread isn't a shitposting thread for ebin screencaps
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>>78115229
>he should listen to Queen
>implying Queen isn't complete utter fucking horse shit
Animal Collective and The Residents are better.
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>>78113809
Watch Jack and the Spartans, the one with the ninja, any Scottsman episode, and if all else fails the movie staring Jack's Dad
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>>78115264
Those are both solid bands too. You can actually like all those bands. They have solid creative visions they explore through their music, they make competent songs within their respective genres, and they all perform well live. I'm personally an Opera and Rock guy, so stadium rock bands like Queen will appeal to me naturally, that doesn't mean I can't appreciate the work The Residents or Animal Collective do, particularly in exploring surrealism through live performance.
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>>78115229
>Not that anon, but I've got a music degree from my college, as well as a career as a working musician, so I literally have the academic and career authority to tell you you're a fucking asshat. He can like what he likes. Of course he should listen to Queen, but shitting on The Beatles is just contrarian dickery.
Thank you for you non-meme posts. Since any on-topic discussion is virtually impossible at this point, I'm curious what kind of variety in opinions (musical, cartoon or otherwise) you encounter on a regular basis? What are some really weird opinions you encounter?
Everyone says the Star Wars prequels are CGI shit for the babby generation, but ironically since they were made for my generation and I should have nostalgia for it, I prefer the Original Trilogy, but my dad who's old enough to have seen the Original Trilogy in theaters and have nostalgia for THAT, he prefers the prequel trilogy.
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>>78115310
Ok, but are those exceptions to the rule, quality episodes in a sea of mediocrity, or is it just that the show starts off shakily and those are high points from later on?
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>>78115229
>I've got a music degree from my college, as well as a career as a working musician
What genre are you? Vaporwave? Punk rock? Fuck you. I bet you don't even know who Moondog is. Or how about Gentle Giant, Cardiacs and Magma?

All flaunting your (community) college degree shows me is that you are a goddamn tool, a modern yuppie with no discerning taste. All you are doing is shitting up the music industry with your cookie-cutter bullshit. Instead of innovating, you progressive liberals want to push progress backwards with your shitty, soft-core pussy garbage. Antonio Vivaldi would be ashamed.

So go back and listening to your SHITTY Queen and Pink Floyd albums while I bask in my vinyl copy of "In the Aeroplane Over the Sea" by Neutral Milk Hotel.
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>>78114677
The plot is intentionally simple. i don't see that makes it bad unless you want to point out some plot holes or inconsistencies.

>>78114655
>When does the great cinematography start?
The pilot movie.

>Cause so far, the action scenes have all been really bland.
Your description isn't accurate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW5p-m-eOqM
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>>78115350
Watch for yourself, idiot.
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>>78115345
I mean, cartoon/comic wise, I think we all encounter a lot of Batwank in our social circles. Not that he's a bad character, but Batgod fanboying gets old, as does any type of bind fanboyism.

Musically, let's take Queen for example. Freddie Mercury is hailed by a lot of people as the greatest male singer in pop ever who did no wrong. Certainly he's good, but he definitely had bad habits you can hear that hampered his full potential. Like, particularly for high notes, he'd scream them rather than support them with his breath. That hurt his vocal chords and is why he'd tire in long live performances quickly, and wouldn't hit those notes consistently through a night.
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>>78115448
>The plot is intentionally simple. i don't see that makes it bad unless you want to point out some plot holes or inconsistencies.
AKU: Oh shit! Despite being an all-powerful shape-shifter, I'm losing this fight. Since I'm incapable of attacking Jack, clearly I should be able to send into a time portal
or every fucking fight scene where Jack is outnumbered and instead of instantly getting gang-raped, the enemies take their turns fighting Jack on a 1-on-1 or sometimes so bold as 2 or even 3-on-1 when there are HUNDREDS of them.
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People will deny it but SJ truly had lazy animation at times and an overreliance on the blank moving background/slow jump trick.

Saying the plot and intro are mediocre is kinda wrong though.
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>>78115437
I'm more of a Britten guy, in terms of classical composers.
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>>78115548
>Saying the plot and intro are mediocre is kinda wrong though.
>plot
see >>78115528
>intro
see >>78114639
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>>78115548
Fair, and we can say that about the best of even modern shows, including shows like B:TAS and A:TLA

They all had weak episodes, and good one
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>>78115437
>Fuck you
>I bet you don't even know who X is
>lol tool
>lol yuppie
Fair enough.
>lol liberal
What the fuck? /pol/?
>epic out-dated format purity meme
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>>78115565
Why are people bitching about the intro to this extent? Yeah the song itself isn't that good, but first of all, it's a damn kid's show. And second, I think it helps set up a certain mood.

I don't really like SJ that much, though. It had a couple of great episodes (such as the Tale of X-9 one), but it felt over-reliant on style rather than substance. I'm glad to finally get to admit this on /co/. Normally people would be spamming bait images if I ever dared criticize their childhood cartoon.
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>>78115642
>I'm glad to finally get to admit this on /co/. Normally people would be spamming bait images if I ever dared criticize their childhood cartoon.
Did you even browse the thread you're posting on a little bit? They are ABSOLUTELY doing that, and will continue to do that.
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>>78115496
>I mean, cartoon/comic wise, I think we all encounter a lot of Batwank in our social circles. Not that he's a bad character, but Batgod fanboying gets old, as does any type of bind fanboyism.
I mean, between Batman, Superman, and Spiderman, can you name a single super-hero that everyone on the planet, even filthy casuals who don't give a single fuck about super-heros are aware of?
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>>78115898
Probably Wonder Woman, or at least in the U.S. She's The poster girl for female superheroes.
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>>78115548
>People will deny it but SJ truly had lazy animation at times
Limited != lazy

>>78115528
> Oh shit! Despite being an all-powerful shape-shifter, I'm losing this fight
>what is the magic sword

>or every fucking fight scene where Jack is outnumbered and instead of instantly getting gang-raped, the enemies take their turns fighting Jack on a 1-on-1 or sometimes so bold as 2 or even 3-on-1 when there are HUNDREDS of them.
So you want them to dog-pile on Jack or something? What is this stupid point you're trying to make? Only a few would ever be able to fight him at a time because they take up room.
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>>78116464
>>what is the magic sword
Just because you have a magic sword, doesn't make you magically faster than a dark lord of supernatural evil. Or if it does, that's not explained and as a point its very muddled by the fact that he does tons of normal human body training.

>>>78116464
>>78116464
>So you want them to perform the most basic and obvious maneuver on Jack that can't possibly lose or something?
Only if it comes to that. I really want Jack to avoid letting himself get surrounded. It's hard to give a shit about the action in the franchise if it's not believable.

>>78116464
>Only a few would ever be able to fight him at a time because they take up room.
But they don't need to "fight" him as such, if they just dogpile him and few outside the dogpile stab his immobilized body
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>>78114655
That's not been most of the fights in sammy j, the fuck are you on about? Did you even watch haunted house?
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>>78116713
>But they don't need to "fight" him as such, if they just dogpile him and few outside the dogpile stab his immobilized body
This has happened versus the bugs, they jump in and out of doing a mob attackl and two on one in some scenes. It's not that bad.
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>>78116901
>and two on one in some scenes. It's not that bad.
I think you didn't read my post very carefully or you an epic baitmaster. I'm saying if you have any army of hundred of people, a 1-on-1, 2-on-2, or even a 10-on-1 fight is inexcusably dumb.
Anything less than emptying your ammo and pooling your collective strengthon your one fucking target in inexcusably dumb.
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>>78115482
Not that anon, but he explicitly said he watched it 3 times and it had it's highlights.
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>>78116464
Limited animation used as a trick to mimic action, in other words lazy.
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>>78117356
Limited as implied to be not enough budget for.
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>>78117366
Having a reason for the animation being limited doesn't stop the fact that it is, and is as such, less interesting to watch.
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Honestly couldn't give a shit if someone didn't like Samurai Jack. Go ahead and live a worse life than mine.
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