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She kept helping out Jessica even when there was nothing in it for her and even when Jessica failed to help her out at all by failing to get her ex wife to sign the divorce papers which led to her ex asking for 90% of her stuff.
So Jessica was lying about a client hiring her to spy on the woman Luke was sleeping with, right?
She was spying on Luke just because?
I thought it would turn out to be Killgrave setting it all up but that clearly wasn't it
Okay seriously though, why did she go full retard there? I mean, I knew it was gonna happen, but that was astonishingly idiotic. I'm trying to come up with some kind of mental calisthenics that would make entering or sabotaging the cage of the mind-controlling psychopath seem like a good idea, but I'm seriously drawing a blank here.
>Goes to /tv/
>Sees Jessica Jones threads
>Everything is about why the Jews are trying to destroy the white race and Hispanic dudes complaining about black over representation
Nobody is actually talking about the show over there. I don't even think I've seen /pol/ shit in any of the /co/ threads
Her wife was going to take 90% of everything. There was no dirt to find on her. Her life, personally and professionally, could be ruined.
People will do a lot of things to stop something like that.
Also this >>77641022
/tv/ is literally the worst board.
I saw somebody on there complaining about Jessica Jones getting PTSD from being raped because, from their point of view, "you can't get PTSD from rape."
How can somebody so stupid possibly exist?
I'm halway through and this is really starting to anniy me: considering how Jessica's suppose to be almost an alcoholic, you don't really see it having any real concrete negative impact in her life. You see her drinking but not having a proper hangover or getting completely overboard and wasted. She isn't fucking up cases because she's boozing, she's not puking her guts out, even having casual sex with Luke isn't played like poor judgment, and is more like super awkward romance story. Just another one of those things where the show tries to be superficially edgy, but won't actually commit to it.
>People will do a lot of things to stop something like that.
But there was no reason to believe that it was going to work, and every reason to believe that it was going to get her and everyone around her killed. She literally handed a homicidal rapist complete control over her life and trusted him to not fuck it up for no reason.
she has a healing factor. She's said so herself, she heals faster than normal people and got over a broken rib in what, a few hours, a day?
That's also why she's immune to kilgrave's powers. She built an immunity to the virus.
I thought it was a reasonably good portrayal of a functioning alcholic myself. On a day to day basis she's relatiively okay but If you look at her life and relationships as a whole she's not in a great place.
Also they will say the exact same joke for over 400 posts with over 100 different IPs and continue to think it's funny. Like in a thread about the new Suicide Squad movie the thread was just the same "Im so crazy" joke again and again and again for 400 posts. Definitely worst board I've ever been to.
I got the impression that, because they weren't allowed to show her smoking, they overcompensated by having her drink a whole bunch as a crutch without really thinking of a way to implement it into the narrative.
>ex wife attacking hogarth
>hograths fuck girl bashes her over the head to protect hogarth
>"shes being charged with murder"
>Also they will say the exact same joke for over 400 posts with over 100 different IPs and continue to think it's funny.
BIG GUY 4 U??? GET DIS HOTHEAD OUTTA HERE!!! IF I PULL OFF HIS MASK WILL HE DIE?!?!?!111 HUEHUEHUEHUE
Literally no different from /co/.
Ok that was fun sideshow stuff the mcu and all glad we all got our c tier role full so now where's the main event xmen
Will they be announcing netflix and televised shows along with cartoons and multiple universes of xmen movies?
I can not wait! I love marvel I bet they're planning tons of good books as well that's why the dry run feel
They're just building up ideas to last another few generations I bet
616 Logan back from the dead when? Xavier too and Scott just a boyscout
I'm ready to be amazed
If they just meant comic book movies/tv shows, then they might have a point. In the media in general, I'm kind of skeptical of that claim
for a functioning alcoholic you should see her taking hair of the dog in the morning, ie. managing her intake. But so far she isn't ever shown to have even a small hungover. She drinks and is completely fine 99,99% the time. The only instance she looks like she's a bit tipsy is when she almost kills the doctor by accident.
It's really weird how they emphasize the drinking by constantly showing her do if but can't be bothered to show how bad it is for her.
>Those are all /tv/ memes.
Makes sense why /co/ stole it and proceeded to beat it into the ground.
>You won't see 400 post threads here continuing to make that joke.
Yes. I do. All the fucking time. But it's totally ok because according to /co/, it's still funny. /co/ is just as bad as all these other boards, maybe even a little worse because they know how bad they are, while /co/ has this awful hugbox mindset and thinks its shit doesn't stink.
No you don't it doesn't happen. Even if you see the joke once in a thread. Their threads are completely about a single joke. Just again and again different pictures of a meme joke and slightly altered versions of the joke with maybe 10 replies total actually talking about the subject. You must be from tv.
>Marvel only offers internships for TV animation, and not their proper Television division.
I watched part of the final episode again and noticed this.
which is just odd. they love telling you how shit Jessica's life is supposed to be but can't bother to show her having a proper blackout drunk moment? it makes it feel like she's just drinking water when it has no visible effect.
You can get PTSD from buying the wrong ice cream on accident seriously PTSD varies from how weak a person is
If you get PTSD from rape ok that's common but there's people out there that get raped and get over it
I've seen friends get shot and die and came home normal but have seen others come home shaken messes
It varies PTSD is fear and a constant memory of it that triggers randomly with anxiety
I wouldn't say batman has PTSD that's just good ole fashion trauma
Now what /tv/ are confusin it with is shellshock which is just PTSD but very severe
She's like captain America but she can feel more of the effects of alcohol than she can. It seems that she can get shitfaced but it doesn't last long and that getting blackout drunk would require a whole lot more booze than one measley bottle.
Events like that don't trigger till he's faces with it again not out in the open while eating a hamburger that is what PTSD it's also not something that fuels you to be stronger it makes you very weak during an episode of it and usually you need help to get out of it
Rate the show 1-10.
Overall I'd give the show an 8/10. Solid all the way around but some characters were unbearable like the incest twins, and the lesbian Trinity subplot took ages to have any sort of relevance. It paid off eventually but by the time it did it left me wondering if we really needed to see so much of it.
> Woman who can punch hard
> Man who can get punched hard
> bonus : cliche P.I. lines and tumblr pandering
Ground-breaking show, really...
Just watching for the villain.
The characters were okay, Cage and Killgrave were great. Nuke was good, Patsy was alright. Jessica herself could be grating at times but she was good on the whole.
The plot, however, was pretty scattered at points.
Watered down adult themes
Boring lead character
Plot barely moves during the first 5 episodes
Not even power ranger tier special effects or action scenes
The villian was really good, so he earns those 5 points
> to /tv/
You sure you don't want me to go back to /pol/ instead ? Because noticing cheap cliches and overused tropes that are made to pander to a certain audience obviously makes me a misogynist/racist rather than a rational /tv/ poster
I watched 8 episodes so far. I'm not as impressed as I was with Daredevil but I think they're a watchable series, like uhhh 6-7/10.
The main problem with the show for me so far, is the lack of ambition of the Purple Man and lack of focus on his character.
I mean, I get it, he's just obsessed with Jessica but still, they could have been more creative with his character and his efforts to approach Jessica.
Having her sending him selfies and buying the house she grew up in, it just makes him... underwhelming.
I like Jessica Jones though because she's a piece of shit, and the writers acknowledge that. They don't try to give her the moral ground, she's just a bitch and that's what they're showing to their viewers. I'm pleased with that honest approach to her character and I like her for that.
I'm also annoyed that Purple Man is not, well... purple. What the fuck, Marvel? You're supposed to be progressive and shit and yet you turned a non-white guy into white? What the fuck for?
>But he's the bad guy, anon.
Oh! Oh, I see, I see now. He has to be white because he's the bad guy. My bad, right, always on top of your game Marvel. Also nice touch that one with the abortions and rapes and shit, you sure made a statement.
I am on 4th episode and why Jess is such a dick to Simpson? He almost went through dangerously close situation Killgrave made Jess to go through. He understands how Jess feels better than anyone and she should be understanding of his position more than anyone. He's legit cop who is ready to bend the law a little to stop Killgrave.
She tells him to fuck off. What the fuck is wrong with the writers?
>I'm also annoyed that Purple Man is not, well... purple. What the fuck, Marvel? You're supposed to be progressive and shit and yet you turned a non-white guy into white? What the fuck for?
I was waiting for you to say you were joking but that never happened.
Who's this bitch supposed to be and how does she know JJ?
In the comics she never really had any kind of relationship with Jessica Jones. In the original Alias comic Jessica's BFF was Carol Danvers/Ms. Marvel, but since they are holding off on that character so she can be in her own movie, they chose Patsy Walker instead to fill that role.
Jess is a dick to everyone. Simpson just gets it bad because everyone else she's a dick to either stops bothering her or she punches them until they stop. He won't give up and she can't beat him until he stops, so it annoys her even more.
Fight scenes were a real drop from Daredevil. Some of the plots took forever to connect to the main story (we'd just abruptly jump into Hogarth's divorce or Simpson's BOYS/REDS). Kilgrave gets captured and escapes one too many times; the whole support group ganging up on Jessica thing was retarded. Fuck Robin or whatever that twin sister's name was. The third quarter of the show feels like it drags a bit; this probably would've been a tighter 10-11 episode show. The final showdown was kind of a letdown, building up Kilgrave's new powers and not really doing anything with it at all.
On the bright side, the acting was really strong on the whole. Jones, Cage, Trish, Hogarth, all sold me, and David Tennant really knocked it out of the park. He could balance being menacing and completely pathetic at the same time. The police station scene was a fucking 10/10 moment.
I marathoned the whole show in about two days, so some of the hype may eventually wear off. Still, 7/10 on the whole, definitely a fun ride. Can't wait for Luke Cage's show.
Have you noticed that she drinks whiskey like its water, and then half an hour later she is focused and capable again?
She drinks like a fish because its the only way for her to get drunk, and she drinks constantly because she can't stay drunk very long.
She doesn't want other people getting in her way or being pawns in Kilgrave's plan. Simpson was just another tool Kilgrave could use against her
Plus Simpson was more concerned with killing Kilgrave than helping Hope
Jessica had freakish super powers and was easy to hire, she had used her a ton of times before and she was obviously obsessed with powers ( she even stored the fetus) she kept jessica around because she wanted her powers.
Who excited for the Luke Cage series here?
Colter knocked it out of the fucking park.
She never really believed that his powers were that massive, she thought she could control him.
She also spent all the time trying to control jessica Hogarth was textbook villain waiting to happen.
No idea why they decided to make Kevin Thompson his real name and Kilgrave his alias. Zebediah Kilgrave, while cheesy and unusual, could very well be somebody's real name. Kilgrave is an actual surname.
That and Luke was fucking her brains out.
What? You think she kept hiring her because she was a good detective?
Nah, she kept getting used as a private dick because she kept getting private dick of death from Mr.Cage.
Holy shit, Hogarth is such a Stereotype.
>tfw going to have to listen to all my normie fake nerd, loves-comic-book-movies-but-refuses-to-actually-read-a-comic-book-not-about-batman friends talk about how the Purple Man has always been their favourite villain and how he's totes like the Joker.
>The mcu is going to have more misses than hits at this rate
They already do. They have maybe 3 actually decent movies, while the rest are only considered good because they came out when the MCU hype machine was at its highest.
It's a copout. The reason why you drink is to drown your sorrows and forget/ignore the bad shit in your life. If you have a healing factor that magically gets you juuuuuuust buzzed enough for alcohol to do its job but not have any negative effects via normal consumption, logically she would have to keep drinking excessively just to maintain the level of drunkenness for prolonged time period. Otherwise you'd sober up very quickly. So downing one bottle of bourbon a night and somehow being able to self medicate enough to forget your worries without suffering any detrimental side-effects is incredibly lazy writing to fill the required check list for noir detective tropes.
Nuke, IGH stuff if that's not wrapped up in Defenders, extend one or more of the other plots from Alias into a season. There are also plenty of New York street-level villains for them to borrow. She could also spend a lot of time dealing with the fallout from Kilgrave.
Didn't Kilgrave legally not exist? I didn't think there were any records of him. If they killed him out of sight and dumped the body, he'd just be a John Doe with nothing to link him to them if anyone even found it.
7/10. Could have been better, but I really enjoyed it. Unlike Daredevil, though, I probably won't want to watch it again. Once everything's played out I'd imagine a second viewing would just be boring.
They could only find him in public places though when he met with Malcolm, shooting him in the middle of a crowded restaurant would leave a lot of witnesses.
Plus he had that security detail and wore a tracking device, which Simpson didn't account for either.
If you are an older black man in MCU Hell's Kitchen, you're fucked.
There were like two actual cop characters in JJ though. One of them was Simpson (who wasn't corrupt but was crazy) and one of them was murdered. And even then, the cop that kinda helped her only did so after a lot of prodding.
Jessica got him to the safe house. She could just as easily have gotten him to the middle of the woods, snapped his neck, and buried him ten feet under.
How can you tell the difference when she isn't really shown to be drunk? You just have to personally make these mental gynmastics to explain it.
I'm not even asking her to be incredibly drunk half the time, just to show some clear signs how it works. Like having a pocket bottle she jugs from fairly regularly on the downlow, showing more than one random empty bottle at a time in her apartment every morning, etc. The way her drinking is depicted is just ridiculously sanitized when it's suppose to be one of her major character flaws.
It's as if the show runner went "well we need to show her drinking, but not too much since that'd make her too unlikable. Also, we need to focus on the whole ambiguous rape angle while tip toeing the line where she is but kinda isn't a victim with agency, as we want her to be empowered, and that that it is more important than depicting truthfully her being a substance abuser."
i was laughing that they got cap stylist when Will Simpson came back in non cop uniform, hair, jacket, dark blue shirt. said in my head he looks like a cap reject
MFW it turns out he was
They show her drinking all the fucking time. Also, she's an alcoholic, which means even without superpowers her tolerance would be high. Not all alcoholics are drinking to black out constantly, just drinking to keep their BAC high enough to avoid withdrawal symptoms.
The security detail didn't follow them to the safehouse when she actually got Kilgrave into the hermetic chamber. So clearly he didn't have the tracker then.
I had no idea who Nuke was and was thinking the same thing.
6/10, just above Daredevil because it wasn't actively annoying the shit out of me, and was just really boring. The only reason I stuck around was Kilgrave, who was great. The only time Jessica ever actually was interesting and good, rather that sounding like she was expositing dialog from cue cards, was when she was sharing the screen with him.
Don't think you know how functional alcoholism works.
Her reliance on alcohol balanced her out, it wasn't to get drunk more than just staying level-- and level for Jessica was destructive and relationship straining as it is for most alcoholics.
We all wanted to see her crash through Luke's window, insult his manhood, then pass out on his bed, but this was a different Jessica than the one in Alias.
>“I made two New Year’s resolutions. No. 1, I wanted to catfish someone. Did it, loved it, recommend it. And No. 2 was to this year just once take off a pair of underwear and make it not look like I blew my nose in it.”
I loved Luke's "sick of this shit" expression whenever someone tried to hurt him.
Although wait, if he was injured because of the concussion of a shotgun to the chin, wouldn't his bar exploding fuck up his organs the same way?
It was a shotgun that went off right under his chin and rattled his brain around in his skull
The explosion mostly just set him on fire for some reason, probably should have gotten a concussion at least
Kilgrave as an alias makes sense as something made up by an edgy tryhard kid, which is what he is.
I don't know why they didn't use a first name either.
Zebediah Killgrave is basically his da handle
they mostly show her with a single bottle at night when she's moping in her apartment. And it's usually in the line of taking a single sip and that's it. If she has a healing factor that makes her process alcohol faster it would mean she can't just achieve the same effect like a normal person drinking could and thus she requires far larger volumes, which is not shown.
The way they do it in the show creates the illusion of having a drinking habit without having any real impact behind it, which is why it ends up feeling so cheap and superfluous. By the fourth episode you don't even register it as being a problem because drinking seems to mean nothing to her.
So they couldn't make him purple because of the time it would waste for him having to tell everyone not to notice his being purple right?
how does comic Purple Man stay under the radar like that, it would be annoying on tv
nah, because it was a weak explosion. it was gasoline + liquor going off -- even a normal human would have survived it. though we would have been fucked up.
now if Luke was standing next to some C4 when it went off, or some 155mm arty hit right next to him, that's gonna hurt.
Nah, force from the gas explosions isn't that great because it's spread over a larger area. As long as he didn't hit anything when he flew back he'd be fine. The fire from the combustion a is what kills people.
Shotguns can be over a metric ton of force, concentrated point blank at a head is like like throwing a car at your brain.
And let's be honest here. Hellcat is a far better character with a SHITLOAD more potential as a lead heroine in her own right.
However, she's not a damaged super fuck up like Danvers Ms.Marvel so she can't have the whole to fucked up chicks bond over their fucked up super heroine past thing.
The fact that it seems like it's nothing to her is what gives it its impact and makes it clearly a problem. Drinking that much clearly shouldn't have close to no effect. You see her drinking whiskey like water whenever possible.
>and level for Jessica was destructive and relationship straining as it is for most alcoholics.
The show paints her problems coming straight from her PTSD, the drinking doesn't even seem to come to the equation. It doesn't even appear to medicate her, it's simpky there as a halfassed shorthand. And that is just one thing about the show that is shit compared to the comic.
I'm watching the first episode now.
I think if Jessica wants to escape The Purple Man she should just bust through the front door of Stark Tower and smash up the place until Iron Man or S.H.I.E.L.D. show up.
It had some great moments. Some really good moments. But FAR too many poor subplots. I didn't like the overall cast as much as the Daredevil one.
Tennant was great. The plot did fall at the final hurdle and really began dragging.
It felt kinda like the same as Daredevil. What was the Kingpin's plan? He felt stupid. "I'm going to rebuild the city!" Over and over again. I feel like Jessica Jones did the same a bit. It felt sily in places.
Also, the crime noir theme was good in the few places it was actually being used but seemed to be forgotten about really quickly.
>Hispanic dudes complaining about black over representation
Theyre right, blacks are over represented compared to hispanics and asians
Thats why if they feel like they have to race change Danny he should be hispanic.
yet it has no visible impact, like it ought to do if it was to serve any real purpose in showcasing her destructive personality traits. It undermines her character as a tormented victim of abuse when it is handled in such a sanitized and clean manner. The show wants to be super serious and gritty but can't bother to be that other than superficially, thus revealing an inherently shallow product the show truly is.
I'm on episode 9 and I like the show so far. My only problem is that the exhibition of her powers is a little weak. I understand the whole ex-super thing but like I'm kinda bothered by 'Jessica Jones the invincible locksmith'. Is there just one moment that shows her at like full power or like rage mode?
What? We're clearly told she self medicates with alcohol BECAUSE of the PTSD and guilt by Patsy. She keeps herself busy enough with work then when she can't sleep she drinks enough fast enough that she passes out and doesn't wake up until the afternoon the next day.
That's retarded, Hispanics have plenty of representation, but the problem is that a lot of them pass for white in order to score white roles because that's easier.
Asians and everyone else though I agree have it as hard if not harder than blacks but it's not a competition.
The language limitation is really going to hurt the Luke Cage series. Having a show set in Harlem with an all-black cast who isn't allowed to say the F-word or the N-word is going to feel contrived as hell.
Yeah, but asians don't complain, and are generally treated like ugly white people, with a couple caveats like driving bad and having to take shit from one of their cousins once having eaten a dog.
Asians are honorary white people. Like German Sheperds.
Who is talking about the MCU in particular?
I thought we were speaking generally about actors.
Fair enough, but you're wrong. Benicio Del Toro, Zoe Saldana, and Sitwell are all Hispanic off the top of my head.
Jessica is shitty character with writing by someone who is trying to make her seem hard but thinks that being badass is swearing every other word and having cheesy comebacks and acting like a cunt to everyone. Right now it sounds like being written by a middle schooler
None of the characters have any substinence or interesting hooks. Humor is shit, the blonde chick part was fucking stupid, and the theme is bad.
This is basically a show for ABC weeknights with swearing right now
Human society would crumble , any and EVERY issue could just be blamed on supers.
You don't think EVERY criminal uses the mind control excuse now that it's plausible.
I am shocked law didn't collapse. The foundation of our law is you get off if there is even the slightest chance you didn't do it. In mcu, I could rape and eat a thosuand babies but hey it COULD have been mind control, so I get off. Also No proof of KG anyway
>mfw Killgrave cut a deal with Jess for daily selfies
>asians don't complain
Yes they do, Ming Na, all the bitches from Fresh off the Boat, the dude from LOST, Harold/Sulu, Takei, himself have all spoken out about their representation.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
No, but seriously, some Asians actually do, but nowhere near as much as Black people. I'm not stating that it's not legitimate complaints either, but they are there. It's also a matter of Asian guys typically not having very manly features, so they are less considered for leading/having a high profile role. Same thing happens to ugly white people. You never see a high profile role to someone with, say, a massive underbite. The underbite gene makes people as 'unemployable' in acting gigs just as much, if not more, as the 'Asian' set of genes.
I won't believe he's gone until the end of Defenders.
until at some point an old black dude survives, and he comes out and says he read the news of all those old black dudes getting killed got worried and found the IGH and got himself powers
I'd like it, but it'd have to be handled well since he had his neck broken by a woman who can kill you with a punch
It'd be a nice reveal for the end of Defenders. I'd like to see all the main villains team up to beat them, as cheesy as that would be. If they wanted to make it less cheesy they could have the power struggle between themselves as a subplot akin to Fisk picking off the other members of his group in Daredevil.
I think either Kilgrave would come out on top straight away and then fuck it up by being a manchild, or someone else would convince/control Kilgrave and then fuck up by losing control of him.
The show was good but I agree about filler. They could have had a few more plots and delayed a lot of the Kilgrave stuff.
6/10, the main character gets really bland and uncompelling (is that a word?) after 5 episodes, and too much time is wasted on shit that goes nowhere like Eastman and Hope.
Daredevil was much more tightly crafted even with the complaints about Karen and Mrs. Cardenhas.
Kilgrave, Luke, Patty and Nuke were cool; everyone else is just boring after a while.
>The studio responsible for decapitation, dismemberment, self-linching, a 1000 cuts, rape, blood, etc is the same studio responsible for bringing Frank Castle to the screen.
>Frank Simpson is not dead, and can still come back.
>There is an opportunity that we might get a Frank on Frank sooner or later.
If they can't even bother to portray her alcoholism properly, which is one of the major building blocks for her trauma that defines her for most of the series, how is the show not being shallow? It pays lipservice to things without having any real substance to them.
Even Jessica's PTSD, which starts promisingly when the few initial hallucinations have that creep factor, just fades to the background in favor of Jessica just being hellbent to capture Kilgrave. Which of course is meant to tie into her whole deal with saving Hope and thus save herself but it never really rings true because the show doesn't ever really get around to building it properly. It never even really feels true that she's starting to get her shit together. The show in general has a bad habit of not following through with any of the interesting psychological aspects of the story because it's fast forwarding to the next character beat without any genuine time to make it organic, as it's busy devoting its screen time on doing stupid shit like constantly bringing up Carrie-ann Moss' boring as hell divorce proceedings.
they could use elements of the plot from Alias that they didn't use in season one.
Having her be a PI but investigating cases related to superpowered individuals.
LIke Mattie, but tying it to inhumans.
Stuff related to the company that experimented on her and Luke.
Doing cases for hogwarts who is secretly interested in getting superpowers.
In that regard it was exactly like DD. Which is great in a way because now I know I don't need to even bother with DD S2 or Cage's show anymore since this seems to be what the Netflix shows are aiming for,
I hope it's not another series about a super secret organisation
This could go the same way as heroes
>season 1: supervillain manchild who everyone hates
>season 2: uh super secret x files company
I gave a shit about everyone in DareDevil. They even made me care about the fucking Russian brothers. So that's saying something. Yes the show had definite problems. The "grrrr now foggy is angry wit u" was contrived and dumb, and I never really liked Karen's acting, but you could at least always give a shit:
I consistently gave a shit about all these people.
Meanwhile I am more than halfway into JJ and I cannot tell you the names of anyone other that Jessica, Luke, Nuke, and Kilgrave. And I only care about half of those people anyway.
I fucking swear I don't even know the name of the blonde chick.
>Meanwhile I am more than halfway into JJ and I cannot tell you the names of anyone other that Jessica, Luke, Nuke, and Kilgrave. And I only care about half of those people anyway.
That was a problem I noticed as well. I guess JJ just didn't make its characters as equally important as the characters in DD.
>They even made me care about the fucking Russian brothers.
When they pulled that tragic prison gulag back story I legitimately started laughing how incredibly cliched and hamfisted their entire storyline was becoming.
this stupid bitch, doesnt even know
Because she'd become semi-famous for saving everyone at the docks from Kilgrave. A whole party boat of people trying to kill each other. A whole gang of cops shooting up a building.
People talk and word of mouth spread and people who need help finally heard of her and thought she could help them.
Daredevil has a certain family warmth to it. It's about a Catholic guy who loved his dad until he died for his principles, helping people with his best bud.
Jessica Jones is someone whose entire family died because she was a noisy bitch and was then raised by an abusive leech. Her best friend was gained more through necessity than choice and one of the show's main themes is about survival at all costs.
Matt Murdock and Jessica Jones are vastly different people. Jessica doesn't trust anyone whereas Matt is a fucking human lie detector and still has friends. The shows are different to reflect this. While I agree that this makes Daredevil nicer to watch and more engrossing, Jessica Jones compliments and contrasts it quite well.
Uncle Ben died over chocolate milk.
Pa Kent died over a dog.
Jessica's entire family died over a Game Boy.
Yes but Luke Cage had already snapped out of it I believe, from nearly dying and maybe distance depending on how ramped-up Kilgrave was. If his influence ends when unconscious then I can only assume that it will when he dies.
I wonder what will happen to his corpse
just kidding I already know that IGH will take it to make super soldiers with
These shows are entropy in action. It always starts out with a few isolated incidents and then eventually every fucker has powers and its all one big clusterfuck
Holy shit never thought I'd see someone on this website:
>Make thoughtful points
>Acknowledge the strengths and weaknesses of different pieces of media
>Not end it by calling the other person a fuckhead
Let alone see someone do all three. Maybe I should come to /co/ more often? Is this what it's like here?
Does anyone here speak Portuguese?
Did the repair guy in the third episode sound like a native speaker? I remember Spanish speakers on /co/ said the old lady from Daredevil sounded awful so I was just curious.
Wow what a lame nerd.
Every board has its ups and downs. I saw a thread about Fairy Odd Parents devolve into actual genuine circlejerking for Donald Trump. Be your own judge dorkface
You're right. I remember reading all kinds of stories in Nintendo Power about how indestructible those things were. This includes but isn't limited to one still working after going through the laundry and one still working after falling from a balcony onto concrete.
Alright cool. Thought I was on the wrong site for a minute there.
As an aside, because I don't want to make a thread that'd just get deleted; what're the best cartoons I should watch? I enjoyed JJ and Daredevil for whatever that's worth. I know those aren't cartoons but, y'know.
No but I'm English and none of the accents are particularly great. The worst one is when Jess calls Manchester University on the phone.
I don't understand why even an ageing academic would sound that much like the butler in a cheap American porno. Add to that the fact that he says he's worked at Manchester University for decades, where no-one has anything even near that accent. Even if he was born in the South East where that kind of accent comes from, no-one really has it that strong. Really his accent should have been like Kilgrave's parents' at the very most.
It was pretty cringeworthy to say that half of the actors in the MCU are British
Ah, Senhor Manuel and Senhor António.
Portugal Portuguese here
The son sounded like a son of immigrants who never got much practice, and got the pronunciation right, but not the intonation (it's very subtly different, although that might be from me having been the whole time in English-brain-mode and was just the shock)
The dad sounded like some American who learnt Brazilian Portuguese (which is considerably different, even more so than American vs British English) trying to fake some European accent (probably at the request of the other guy, I assume) and sounded nothing like either European Portuguese or Brazilian Portuguese.
Also, they weren't crafty enough. Portuguese people are way craftier and would've fixed the door with a clip and chewing gum on the spot.
All in all, though, we're used to it. I liked that they actually tried, though, even if the execution was poor. Off the top of my head, both Family Guy and Agents of SHIELD both used specifically Brazilian actors/accents which would offend most people here.
Check out Batman: The Animated Series, I guess. After that Batman Beyond. If those aren't your thing, check out Teen Titans or Young Justice.
For some reason Marvel's shit the bed with any cartoon that's not Spectacular Spider-man and even that was cancelled way before its time.
Most Scottish people can default to an English accent readily as far as I'm aware. It's not so much like an American doing an English accent, it's more like someone from Mississippi trying to do a neutral American accent for a job interview, if that makes sense. His accent is good but it'd be more convincing if he gave it some kind of regional variation, though that'd be a lot harder.
A 'neutral' British accent as people are used to is from the South-East of England (without any kind of London twang). So he has that down but it doesn't make things particularly interesting.
I'd have preferred him just to be Scottish but I think that'd probably confuse people even more
>I'd have preferred him just to be Scottish but I think that'd probably confuse people even more
Yeah, Tennant's Scottish accent is blatantly superior, but it wouldn't make much sense for Kilgrave to be Scottish.
Hahaha, of course Scottish people can be psychotic maniacs! It's just more fitting to be English. ;^)
Yeah, he uses it pretty often, actually, now that I think about it.
>One stupid beat cop successfully overpowers someone who has been training extensively in self defense.
>He might be an American teaching there for some 20 years.
No, he definitely doesn't have an American accent. He has a ridiculously strong East Midlands/ South East accent, to say he's lived and worked there at least 20 years in which time I'm sure people would have found it pretty ridiculous.
I mean watch the scene again, it's not the kind of accent any person really has outside of voice acting.
No he uses a Scottish accent in Doctor Who, it's just not very strong. His accent in Doctor Who is sort of halfway between his Jessica Jones accent and the one he has in interviews.
Humorously, Christopher Ecclestone is from near Manchester which brings this all full circle.
I cared about both casts and loved both shows equally. Honestly I don't understand why everyone keeps compare the two. I watched them back to back and I feel like they are very similar even though the characters and stories are completely different. They both have the same feel about them and both were a really really great and wild and insanely enjoyable. Hell of a ride, both of them. There were downs, there were highs, there twists and turns and I loved every second of it.
Can do. And I'll check it out.
I totally watched an animated batman back when, and I remember it being dope. Might not be the same one, but I never went back, cus those things usually turn out in disappointment. I guess we'll see.
I'll check out the rest too, I appreciate it.
I didn't really notice, but I did notice Simpson's actor, who is Australian, slipping occasionally. Neither slipped up nearly as much as Charlie Cox as Matt Murdock though. I don't know what it was, but despite him being a good actor, I couldn't buy his American accent in the slightest.
Couldn't she have chosen to swallow her pride and continued to use Kilgrave to save people? Why was she worthy of redemption, but he wasn't?
>A British man in a purple suit recommended this place to me, when I got here, the door was broken, the windows were shattered, there was a large black man sleeping on a couch and the owner was passed out drunk.
Redemption must come from self, not others
He didn't wanted redemption
Asking her to give away her freedom for the guy who raped and tortured her is either very evil or autistic retard
It got better as the season went on. He was also severely overworked and had way more dialogue, and it slipped sometimes. The way he says his 'r's is particularly weird to me, and I'm neither American nor British.
As awesome as it would have been to have a series focused on making Kilgrave good, he would only be doing it for her, and it would be very unlikely that she'd be ok being around the guy who raped her for the rest of her life to make sure Kilgrave wouldn't fall out of line. Kilgrave was too selfish to be a hero.
So would Thor be immune to Kilgrave's abilities? What about Cap?
no_. Jessica's immunity is down to her having been exposed to the 'virus' a really large amount, maybe in addition to her powers. Superpowers alone aren't enough as in the case of Luke Cage.
Jessica isn't supposed to be a badass. She's a trainwreck and her swearing is a fairly transparent cover-up.
She just gets away with most of the time because she's as strong as like 5-ish guys.
What? The accident caused her powers in the comic.
His question was if she had them before, and given that the comic says she got them in the accident and that the show implied IGH experimented on her, that no it's not likely she had them before the accident.
Why didn't everyone just wear gasmasks, or at least nose plugs- or at LEAST noise-canceling headphones?
Why not put tape over Kilgrave's mouth?
Why not take him out one of the, like, four fucking times you have him captured?
These are real actual questions I am asking.
Ruben should've been imune to kilgraves power, just for shits and giggles.
He was the true hero this show needed.
He should've gone all lolsorandomdeadpool with some badass hidden ninja skills, on his ass.
Lame.... or maybe the biggest baddest red hering ever. OMG, Disney.
It was entertaining enough to keep me watching but had a lot of problems. A big problem was that the show didn't really have a consistent tone, sometimes it was genuinely dark, other times it was stereotypically uplifting and optimistic, and other times it tried to be kind of comedy/action like a buffy the vampire slayer episode.
Another problem is the amount of subplots and character arcs going way too quickly made a lot of what should have been emotional climaxes fall flat. They probably should have cut out most or all of the flashbacks, which didn't add anything to the story or characters we didn't already know, and spent more time focusing on developing the characters relationships in the present so some of the character arcs didnt feel so rushed and artificial. Maybe they could also add the budget from the flashbacks to the effects budget, which clearly only had money for cardboard walls and breakable padlocks.
The best part of the show was Killgrave, who was a great villain. Most of the other characters are fine, but not nearly as memorable or developed. Jessica Jones herself was probably the biggest disappointment, because her character mostly just existed as a vessel to keep the story moving along, and really wasn't very interesting or charismatic at all.
Yeah, who the fuck turns around to yell at a kid while driving, it's not like he didnt see the truck before he turned around. He couldnt just yell at her through the rear view mirror like a normal dad?
>no Tennant sex scene
Literally no reason why not.
>There's not one, but TWO reveals where Malcolm HAS to take off a hat so the audience knows it's him- because there's no way you'd be able to recognize one black person from another without seeing his wild hair, right? RIGHT?
the fucking cringe
This isn't uncommon, many times people that were clearly defending themselves have to go to trial and face charges, especially if it's a bloody mess and the perpetrator wasn't just some gutter trash. It doesn't mean that they'll get put in jail though, but she did smash a respected doctor in the head within her own home.
I'd be that idiot that let a crazy fucker out if my angry ex was trying to take 90% of my shit and ruin my career. She was also such a controlled and skeptical person, she probably thought she could control him or she could fight off his powers
She didn't want her ex-wife dead.
She didn't want her client dead.
She didn't want her fiancee to face murder charges.
We aren't even sure if her partners succeeded in pushing her out of her firm.
When she showed up at her old house, I was really hoping he'd break his promise and control Jessica so that they could fuck. He'd make he breakfast in the morning and they'd go about there day together.
God I loved that scene where they rescued the family together, it gave me so much hope
Her ex wife was killed, and the woman she currently loved, the reason she was getting a divorce in the first place which caused all this, left her, making the whole thing pointless. How is that winning.
I think she would rather not be dead. Which doesn't coincide with giving a mass murderer free range over your life, which he ofcourse used to attempt murder against you. Her decision was just completely retarded.
I'm really hoping she goes fully overboard in the next season and we get something like Alias Jess.
I'm guessing Purple Man and Hope still haunt her, plus she saw a man with both limbs hacked off. She's still going to have nightmares I think.
yes but he's too incarcerated to make inspections
She'd eventually give in to Stockholm syndrome and fall in love, it's not like I want her to suffer or be miserable in the relationship. I just want them to be happy together, their clashing personalities would be so fun to watch
she also intentionally killed a man.
it was fully justified, but that's still a switch you can't turn off. Once you accept that killing is an option it becomes harder to go with something else if killing is the most pragmatic option. It can be quite disturbing when every time some asshole is in your way a little part of you quietly evaluates the benefits of murder. That's one of the factors towards war vets having such a hard time readjusting to civilian life
I think she was being affected by kilgrave's power. Remember, jessica had opened the door before releasing his virus in the chamber.
>Her ex wife was killed,
so she keeps all of her assets. That counts as a victory.
I liked 8 through 10 equally. The quick kilgrave escape, 'put a bullet in your skull' to trish and 'come with me' to the cop whilst simultaneously having trish aim at her head and fire, and the cop degloving in like, 10 seconds made my heart race like never before for the show.
So, who cant killgrave control?
Doom, Jessica and Frank Catle?
How did he fly under shields radar for so long?
Is shield really that shitty?
And dont come with
>hurr shield is gone now
Well, it wasnt, it was there for ages, wasting trillions of dollars.
Well who would have believed a guy is mind controlling people into doing shit? And he's not out to change the world in an significant way, he just wants to live lavishly and have fun
I feel uncomfortable giving it above a 7.5 because I think Alias painted a much more compelling character. But I really enjoyed it. I laughed, I teared up, I got a half chub. Most of my complaints can be chopped up to budget constraints and some odd directorial choices.
I had a fucking heart attack. The moment the button didn't work I just started to scream. It was too much.
Have we already talked about how IGH could easily mean Inhuman Growth Hormone?
She had no reason to believe Jessica, but she was desperate to have Wendy sign the papers. The whole time she was using Jessica as a means to an end, she didn't care about her case or Hope. Then she tried to get Kilgrave to do what she wanted and that ended badly. In the end, she helped Jess out due to pure guilt "Doing the right thing helps with the self loathing"
Jerry was a fucking cunt who didn't deserve a happy ending, but at least she saw how awful she was by the end and started to reform. I hope Pam hired Nelson and Murdock.
See >>77649976 X-Fags get super butt hurt over shit like this, it doesn't matter and it should be used considering the direction that universe is taking. I'm just surprised more X-Fags are bitch g about it is all.
MGH stands for Mutant Growth Hormone, which was mentioned in the Alias comics.
IGH is assumed to stand for Inhuman Growth Hormone, which was mentioned in Jessica Jones.
They changed MGH to IGH because Fox owns the rights to mutants.
actually, does anyone know how the rights work in regards to stories? Can they make some sort of Phoenix saga or Days of Future Past with Inhumans instead? They could just get some science team and start exploring the universe a la fantastic 4.
So, at what point does Super Strength become Super Defense? If a character can stop the force of a moving vehicle with one hand, without injury, why would a simple fist hurt them? In both cases, it's an object coming at them, not the other way around, yet one of them hurts and the other doesn't.
I'm not saying doing a literal earth2-style-copy Fabulous Foursome, I mean, some of the best stories at Marvel Comics are mutant related, and I'm sure the Fantastic Four also have some great sagas of their own. They could just start adapting from there.
They could also start distributing the villains for the heros who's trilogy has ended (which I guess they are doing with madam masque on agent Carter), like having MODOK in Captain Marvel (does she have any notable villains of her own?)
Because her powers are magic and its called the jessicaforce, she aint got to explain shit.
Like, how did a bland ass character got to be live action, instead of some other hero?
Fucking magic jessicaforce.
She killed Iron Fist.
Daredevil gave birth to the Punisher.
Punisher cant have kids.
We can hope for Blade.
>dat shady as hell "jump" when surrounded by Simpson's "Boys"
fuck you to captcha
Man I'm going through opiate withdrawal now and watching Malcolm in the thick of it was crazy. They got that shit down perfectly, from quickly snatching the bag of drugs, to the moment of hesitation because a part of you also wants to live again, to the uncontrollable rage and shitty feelings... Chills
yeah like, is she tris to turn or slow down she'll fall.
She can jump and keep going at the same speed and in the same direction she jumped.
actually that's an intersting take on flying. I wonder if that's really what they are doing with her
I am so glad I skipped to the last episode. What a fucking waste of time it would've been to actually sit through an entire season of Edgyca Jones just for that ending and no rape episode.
no not floating. Jumping and keep goig. She has to jump first and then she'll keep going up. LIke an extended jump.
possibly with a limit. Like she can keep going for only a dozen meters or so. Like, if you jump you can at most go 60 cm from the ground. If you had her powers after that you could keep going for a couple of meters beyond what your muscles did.
Or maybe she can keep going potentially forever who knows.
>Calling the show edgy
>complaining there was no rape episode
I don't really mind too much but I am kind of annoyed at the name change. Zebediah Kilgrave is unique and threatening whereas Kevin Thompson is one of the most mundane names you can imagine.