How's Your Webcomic? #209

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Scrub Authors GOODIE Bag

Here’s a short list of sites that any new webcomic artist or writer will find handy:

>*-Let’s start of the list with a useful guide for PANEL LAYOUT:
http://innerspace.notonigon.com/?p=8

>*-Struggling to find that perfect FONT? Create your own using this link;
http://www.myscriptfont.com/

>*-Don’t forget to brush up on that ANATOMY:
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
http://www.quickposes.com/pages/timed

>*-What’s a list without some reference STOCK IMAGES?
PEOPLE: http://senshistock.deviantart.com/gallery/
Scenery: http://www.shutterstock.com/

>*-Here's a big fat compilation of CHARACTER DESIGN REFERENCE:
http://www.pinterest.com/characterdesigh/

>*-Finally, here are some links to get a rough WEBSITE started up:
Easy to use tumblr webcomic theme: https://www.tumblr.com/theme/39018
Do’s and Don’ts for starting a site: http://pastebin.com/kNR2W5mV (embed)

>*-Here’s the contact sheet if anyone wants to put information down, like their site and webcomic:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwfOSHXfrgvcf--PkPz9jXL6p5RqIsrYvXYwgQpgT3k/edit#

>*-We also got a SKYPE CHAT room going on,
To join the chat, seek out 'scribblehatch' or 'starlinemike' and they'll add you in.

rizon network #webcomic is also a chatroom

Wise words from John Cleese:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qby0ed4aVpo

Invisible Ink:
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_1.pdf

http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_2.pdf

http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_3.pdf


Paper Wings

http://chrisoatley.com/category/podcasts/

https://web.archive.org/web/20140625035030/http://paperwingspodcast.com/

Comic Script: Plot to Outline

http://rocketbot.com/tutorials/626/writing-a-comic-script-from-plot-to-outline-to-final-draft

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIjtbG0Z_fc

>how's your webcomic

I wish it existed

Uh...It isn't gone.

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Here's today's page if anyone missed it from the previous thread. Thoughts?

>>77304775
So?

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Meant to post this the other day. Any comments/criticisms would be appreciated.

www.wondercomics.org/hot006

>>77304632
What's stopping you from making it?

>>77305115
I'm still trying to get better at drawing, going through /ic/ boot camp. There are a lot of books.

>>77305162
Any art to show? Just out of curiosity.

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Repost from last thread.
Lineart of sidekick.

>>77305287
why the change from cowboy

>>77305358

no change, they're both characters in the same story.

is this a spicy new meme?

>>77304420
Still fleshing out the characters. I already know what the bones of the story are, but I realized my characters are just kind of...there. So I'm developing them more.
Story as of now
>Space, 3999
>MC is an uninspired manchild who delivers packages around the milky way
>finds out one of his packages has a teen girl in it
>fuck fuck shit
>Makes it his duty to take her home
>of course it's not easy

Cast:
>Parker is a party guy. He only took up delivery for the travel. Irresponsible. Hung up on his ex(es?)
>Camilla is the heiress of a produce company (think Wal-mart but with food). Looks different than her fellow aliens for some reason. Curious. Sheltered.
>Galactic Police Chief has no name. He has the thankless job of leading the Galactic Police Force and investigating big cases. Calculated. Knows Camilla.

In terms of my art, my biggest problems are that I can't into guys or backgrounds, but I'm practicing.

>>77305418
oh my mistake

just that I saw you labelled the cowboy old and the girl new so i thought it was a change in design

I wasn't in the last thread for very long so I dunno

>>77305474
It didn't just confuse you, brother. There was at least one other person in the previous thread confused by the "old" and "new" placement.

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>>77305526

It's my fault for being a raging autist and not labelling shit correctly.

I went back fixed the girl's right arm as the one I'd drawn previously felt very janky.
It should read a lot better now.

>>77304843
If you don't mind me asking, what are your brushes that you use for this? I'm assuming right off the bat you're using SAI but I'm digging your line art a lot.

>>77306113
>I'm assuming right off the bat you're using SAI but I'm digging your line art a lot.
>I assume you're using SAI, BUT it's good

What the fuck.

>>77306174
The brush used for the line art looks like the binary brush on SAI from really looking into it. I assumed it was and said what I did. Was there something wrong with what I posted or something?

>>77306174
Should've put that last part at the begining, it really does sound condescending

>>77306231
Ohhh.
No that wasn't my intent at all. My bad.

>>77302443
I just realized she reminds me of some girl from an old looney tunes.. she was a bobbysoxer or something
>>77303150
her hand is still past the doorframe, so... that's a weeee bit odd. but not terrible.
>>77303458
my sides and whiskers.
>>77303941
oh my god it's ugly shia leboeuf
>>77304040
yes! oh god!
>>77304392
saw this one today. do i need to hit back a bunch to see all of em and their hovertext? you monster.

>>77305078
toasted PBJ is a weird thing, man. it has a strange appeal but i feel dirty eating it

>>77305465
i'm drawn in by the premise!
we can help you, there are a few simple rules that help most people who 'can't draw guys'. feel free to show us your examps. as for backgrounds, that's pretty important for the genre. how are you at cgi? youre allowed to make maps and then screencap and trace them.

>>77306061
yknow if youre looking for a name for him, you could do something that very obscurely references clint
evidently clinton derives from either glymp-ton or glinde-ton, so you could 'translate' clint to either 'fence' or 'bright stream'
.. just an idea

>>77306540

I was just brainstorming with a friend about how one of his main shticks is that he's going around hunting for stardust, so bright stream works perfectly in this situation.
Thanks for the input, m80.

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>>77306407
Thanks for the feedback. I'm not sure if I want this to be a full on webcomic or an animation pitch, but I do love paneling. Pic is a style change I did to be intentionally cartoonish.

>>77306877
I can tell you right now it will be more likely for success as a webcomic.

>>77306305
oh no i just looked at the filenames, you were posting in reverse order. i see.

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>>77306918
Fair enough. Here's Camilla.

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>>77307019
this is sick and >>77305465 sounds like it could be p cool
but >my characters are just kind of...there
i know this feeling well, coming up with plot is so much easier than making characters with actual nuanced/interesting motivations


ive been doodling these little comics since yesterday but i dont know what im doing so its justkind of meandering around without feeling like anythings clicking

>>77307019
whoa. love this. i saw hints of this in >>77306877 this but i like this a lot better.

>>77306374
I only like it when I'm high for some reason, I think because it has more texture

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>>77307307
>>77307373
Thank you

ok, next week, Im just gonna restart my webcomic to try to make it a more cohesive and better experience, both from visuals and story telling.

i hope i don't become like that fucking hack george lucas

please grant me motivation and stuff guys

>>77307668
why next week? Why not now?

And also, if you need a lot of motivation from other people even before you have started you might give up before it even gets off the ground.

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Animals are also a weakness :/

>>77308138
that puts you in good company

>>77306174
>>77306231
it sounds like you have thin skin if anything. besides, SAI isn't industry standard - that's common knowledge.

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From last thread.


I going to draw some spider-man in marvel adventure of spider-man until I become good.

>>77308552
draw from life, not other imitations of life. try drawing with some pen on paper, even if you can't share it with us. it's important to learn to draw just for yourself.

>>77308666
nothin wrong with trying to learn from good drawings.

but the thing is guy youre drawing with a mouse. you will never be good using a mouse, ever.

>>77308666
>draw from life

Fuck! You are evil.

I guess I going to draw that fucking frog in
>>>/ic/

I finish drawing fucking spider-man for nothing. Goddamn it!

>>77308763
no, but he implied that he was just going to practice off of this one comic. it's important to vary studies and also important to supplement that with studies from life because any and all stylization takes liberties. an untrained eye won't be able to see where those liberties are taken and as a result may limit themselves by only learning the shorthand version. only knowing the shorthand may result in the right "style", but it'll make one inflexible because they won't know how to translate with only a limited library of knowledge to pull from.

>>77308763
>but the thing is guy youre drawing with a mouse. you will never be good using a mouse, ever.

Speaking for yourself.

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>>77304420

>>77308842
No drawing is ever wasted. It's best to learn to not to be precious with your work. I throw away probably 2/3 of maybe drawings, and maybe a quarter of what I keep finds its way online. It's about improving, not getting the instant relief of comments and online attention (and trust me, I know the feeling of working really hard on something and being disappointed by the lack of response.) Drawing from life is very important and it can be very fun, you just have to figure out what most interests you and then gear your studies toward them. Like you could look up some stock from the links above and draw poses that you think would be helpful to your comic. But try to draw the model in a naturalistic way - don't just stylize the pose and draw your character in the model's place cause you won't benefit nearly as much.

>>77309057

Let me see your artwork for one time in your life.

You got some art in you?

>>77308880
yeah well a bored eye won't learn anything. let him learn from what he wants, we all learned from spider-man.
>>77308940
fucking glorious my friend.

>>77309120
poodledooples.tumblr.com

i still have a lot to learn too! though you may have me confused with somebody else - i haven't been to these threads in a couple weeks.

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>>77309212
>poodledooples.tumblr.com

Wait? You are the steven universe guy?

Oh my god, That is fucking funny. I like your stuff and it is very detail. Thanks for making me feel better.

I like designing the background aliens (bottom right is recurring, a tree type that can shapeshift)

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>>77309402
ooh treeshifter. this stuff's neat.
weirdly some of it looks like mutated versions of other stuff from these threads

>>77309356
I did test for the show, a few months ago, if that's what you mean? In any case thanks for liking my work! Good luck in your endeavors friend.

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>>77304464
>>77304503

LITERALLY EVERY THREAD! LITERALLY!

EVERY THREAD!

you know im on vacation right? hair and sole chapter 2 is done, i wont be posting any art in these threads until the end of the month maybe, im playing vidya games and watching netflix stuff right now son

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>>77304464
>>77304503

these two FUCKING posts man...

whats really going on with these 2 posts? whats REALLY going on here exactly?

mfw these 2 posts in every one of these threads, i aint even mad son

>>77309638
Yes, every thread until you keep a name on something so our filters work.

That is the entire reason we had to start doing this every thread.

I know, I'm responding to him. This is my only time.

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>>77309638
>>77309723

is this the real bones?

is that you bones ya bitch?

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Dunno if fancomics are allowed, but here:

Just updated mine, at 22 pages so far. I would appreciate feedback on the flow of it, or if it's even exciting at all...I'm having trouble telling if anything has an impact.

>>77310634
Like an idiot, forgot the link http://cnwol.tumblr.com/post/132125273326

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I tried to get back into digital drawing by doing actual linework. Lucia's design changed a bit, I guess. What do you think /hyw/?

I also created a tumblr yesterday. Nothing uploaded yet though.

>>77306061
Damn! Dig those designs and your style a LOT! Robo-Clint is a dank concept, man.

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>>77309730

getting real tired of your shit anon

>>77309955
yeah but it doesnt matter, im leaving now, peace yall!

>>77310996
Looks good, Anon. Kind of gives a Mad Max vibe, I like that.

Today was my first time in /hyw/ but who is bones?

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Did a new comic. Last page in this little story arc.

http://ennuigo.smackjeeves.com/

>>77310634
on-model as fuck
>>77310996
colors are a lot better balanced now. i liove her.

>>77311328
shh
>>77311737
... wait, where's the punchline? that's exactly what i expected when i read panel 2

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So I want to do a webcomic in a submit command style. The only question I can't answer is where do I put it?

I want to be visible to people, so I can get quick feedback and interact with readers. I just need someplace I can tell my story and get better at things for a while.

>>77312231
I think that sort of thing usually works better on forums. Places like deviantart or smackjeeves can be hard to get comments.

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I like drawing clothes, too

>>77312231
there are forums, there are imageboards..

>>77309723
Is that Billy Hader?

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>>77306113
I don't mind you asking at all.
In regards to your question, outside of page one of Miss Melee everything has been done entirely in Manga Studio 5 EX with the Frenden brushes installed.

I generally go grease pencil for sketching and Tricky Dick for inking.

>>77306229
Actually you're not far off to assume that actually.
The binary pen is my brush of choice in SAI, and I try to match that look with my brush settings in MS5.

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>>77306305
>>77304040
and he's /angry/

http://bug-quest.tumblr.com/post/132781750890
It's fun to finally write for a character who swears.

>>77312231
There's tumblr, which is good for getting it out there and is easy to set up a nice lookin site, though it has issues with image-file-sizes and page organization.

anyway im diggin the style

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Being that my update style is the way it is, I sorta plug the same large update multiple times.

http://chaosinthetropics.com/

I expect beats 16 and 17 are where things are gonna go nuts and I really look forward to it.

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>>77313957
Ahh shit that's pretty cool. I never knew MS5 had settings to match that. Thanks for answering my questions!

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finalized a suit ive been fussing over.

suits are fun to draw but hard to decide on a single style

>>77315803
looks like a shittier EVA knockoff

>>77316085

More like a typical mecha suits.

>>77316085
i assure you anon, eva suits were just as shitty

>>77316180
not a thing

>>77316205


they really weren't. even if they were they were animated which brings about its own set of limitations.

>>77316253

What? Are you speaking English?

>>77316297
even if the eva suits were just as shitty as kaze's they would still be incomparably better because that brings about its own set of limitation that a non animated comic would have

>>77316375

Anon...I think You need to go to bed.

>>77316180
you mean it looks like a wetsuit

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>>77304420
line art style i'm thinkin of using for my graphic novel, not sure though
Idea is coming along nicely though

>>77317071
Basic stuff, nothing special.

>>77317071
I like it but >>77317100 is right, it's very post-scott pilgrim. Your backgrounds will distinguish you.

>>77317100
>>77317188
I'm trying out some different eyes atm

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busy with work. but here we go. made Clara a tad younger. what you guys think?

I believe that by making her younger I can show the reader the contrast between her acceptance and curiosity of AI as another family member and Clara's awkwardness of having a thing following her around campus making sure shes safe like shes some sort of little girl.

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First page of chapter three.

http://vigormortis.co.uk/

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New thread already?

Re-posting yesterday's page.
skylight-comic.tumblr.com

>>77313957
Hi MM artist! I thought only the writer hanged around here. I like the way you pick poses and panels, it's really bold.

>>77317604
I saw the shelf picture, that was awesome. Congrats! Also what do you use to scan watercolors?

>>77317288
Young Clara looks good. Still a bae. Digging the converse.

>>77317866
Johnny 5 is gonna have her for breakfast.

>>77315494
DESIGNATED

CRITICIZING

SKYPE

>>77319231
What?

>>77319315
Scribblehatch is very bad at taking proper criticism. If you don't compliment him he is likely to ignore you and/or take measures to disregard and downplay your criticism.

>>77319315
He prefers to take criticisms in private via skype chat or email. If it's all praises without any negative at all then it's okay to crits him publicly.

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>>77319353
>>77319467
What I said was, privacy is where feedback is at its best. An exchange has many little back and forths. So many in fact that if the conversation I had with someone on skype earlier were brought here, without changing anything, the post count of this thread would jump from 102 to 402. At least. And that's not counting the outsiders who would jump in as well.

I don't ignore people for criticizing. I just think public, anonymous criticism with a crowd of this magnitude has serious flaws. One of those flaws is forced ultra-brevity. Another is how we can't account for certain 3rd party anons who are just out to start shit between the two apparent parties.

And as for this specific thing.
>If it's all praises without any negative at all then it's okay to crits him publicly.
Nothing so sinister. If it's going to be in public, like this, it would be ideal if it's something that you don't expect to get a reply to. And if you say something like "Nice work!" well that's indeed something you can't really reply to. If you said "That could use some work" that would merit a discussion. And like I said early, privacy suits a discussion better.

I could kiss Kazerad on the lips because he's made an excellent post about precisely this awhile back. http://kazerad.tumblr.com/post/83640119545/communication

Please read that. We'll be closer to understanding this afterwards.

>>77319700
Nothing against you m8, but this thread exist for the purpose of exposure and discussion, increasing the post counts is not something anyone here should be concerned with.
No one is taxing you for the post count, why do you care?

>One of those flaws is forced ultra-brevity
Brevity is not an issue, whe have a 2000 character limit which is plenty to summarize any feedback you need to give, or receive.

If you still prefer Skype, that absolutely okay, but don't make up excuses for not bringing the discussion here, with made up rules and whatnot.

I haven't finished reading your work, but my mind hasn't changed much. I'm having fun reading it, but the setting could use a bit more of exposition.

See? I had plenty of space to say all this shit.

>>77319825
This is not an issue of message length.

It's the same issue I have with forums.

Discussions that really get somewhere involve many short posts, volleyed to and fro. And a bunch of short responses strung together, hundreds in a row, between two people, would be unacceptable to the rest of you.

Don't say it wouldn't be. It would. And don't pretend that there's a substitute for tennis-like discussion either. That'd be like saying Megabloks and Lego are the same thing.

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>>77319878
>would be unacceptable to the rest of you.
I'm sorry, I can't see why. Once a thread reach its limit post, a new one is created, I don't get why having a long back and forth with someone else is a bad thing.

That you prefer in private, fine. Again, personal preferences, but no one is harm if you do it on the thread instead.

The only time I've seen posts of people complaining of posting too much, is when the thread derails into things like this that has nothing to do with webcomic, and I know I'm just throwing more wood into the fire replying, so my apologies beforehand.

>And don't pretend that there's a substitute for tennis-like discussion either

I don't, but again, why care about the post count if you are discussing what this thread is supposed to discuss?

Changing the topic; I've been wondering; between chapters 1 and 2, I changed Selena's skin colour, because the one I used originally gave a dirt sensation, rather than skin, but it appears this tone is too light for a black girl, so I've been looking into it, and I'd like to see you guys take on this.
I know it sounds kinda "too standarized" that I still use a palette instead of applying colours dynamically to accelerate the proccess of getting pages done. But that's how it is.

I made this shitty compilation on paint because I don't have anything better at the office. Sorry about that.

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Here's a WIP of the next page.

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Anybody know if there's a way to enable arrow key page navigation through the tumblr webcomic theme?

I asked for suggestions from readers about things I could improve upon literally every single one of the few suggestions I got were about arrow key navigation.

I would like to think it's not that hard to make happen, but I have a hard enough time making a link in HTML. Can't even imagine how to go about making the arrow keys do stuff.

>>77320235
alot is not a word.
a lot.

>>77320235
I legit thought Annabeth was a grill for months.

>want to change the url to my webcomic's tumblr page
>any reblogs, mentions or links to my page will become broken

fug
this is a tough decision

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>>77320235
On the subject of Annabeth and Jack, where are the Golden Apple OCT judges hiding at? The deadline for Round 2 was yesterday wasn't it?

>>77320981
Dewd's a sexually confused 'lil boi.
>his/her gender is ambiguous so it's not gay!

>>77321196
Annabeth has been referred to as male and has had his bare chest exposed with no titties so I am confident that Annabeth is a dewd

>>77321196

Like, 90% of anime and "tumblr" cartoons fall into this category anyway, so.

Not to mention the fact that the internet loves traps, dickgirls, twinks, shotas, and any male even marginally feminine.

>>77321196
Dude, I'm bi, I'm totally ok with it.

I've drawn annabeth getting fucked as a boy sever times.

But sometimes as a girl too.

I really can't wait to get to all the things behind annabeth, it's gonna be quite the wild ride.

>>77320785
Thank you anon.

>>77320981
We'll see~

>>77321267
We'll see~

>>77315803
she looks oddly familiar in a really good way
i really like the greaves.

>>77317288
this is coming the fuck together

>>77320122
You're not gonna pry the discussion out, man.

>>77320122
light skinned brown people can still tan. i think it's within tolerances.

>>77320235
that nose front view in the center panel.. is it supposed to be like that? i thought it was pointy. it looks pointy at every other angle, not flat

>>77321091
caintchu set up a redirect

>>77321278
we also like tomboys, you know
barefoot brown tomboys with flat chests and tails and claws who roll around in mud and dont understand how the sexes work

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First fully finished page finally

>>77321808
nice linewoik

>>77321709
Well, I couldn't really think up of anything for the front view.

>>77321951
^

>>77321808
Wow that's great, where's your site?

>>77321951
Then maybe you should try studying how the nose works in three dimensions.
As was suggested nearly a year ago. :^)

>>77322065
Here at the moment - http://garresh.tumblr.com/

I dont think im gonna post it page by page as its a short story, so im just gonna wait untill I finish it then post it all together

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I can't decide what to do with my comic.

I was thinking on working just in black and white, but I'm not sure if people care about black and white webcomics at all.


Should I just add shading or color?

1/3

>>77322071
just because someone doesn't get something doesn't mean they haven't studied y'know. we all struggle with 3d shapes sometimes when presented with a weird angle. i had an incredible difficulty drawing hexagonal bipyramids from tilted angles where all the facets on one side should be visible at once

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>>77322181

>>77322181
grey is always nice
in your case i'd just add random splashes of color wherever they are needed. it'd fit the artsy feel

>>77322221
This is entry level skill, anon.
Dewd isn't good at listening to actual advice.

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>>77322257
3/3

>>77322288
exactly. refusing-to is totally different from not-good-at. one you get mad at, the other you shake your head and either keep trying or give up.
everyone can do things, even people who have trouble mastering basic entry level skills. just slower that's all. did you learn nothing from 'i sort glass'?

>>77322176
The last few ligne claire drawings are beautiful, hell you could pass them off as Moebius drawings. There's a strange inconsistency between your painted stuff and the line drawings, are you using digital tools for one and traditional for the other?

>>77322384
yea its quite a weird mix of trad and digital, im much more confident with digital lines and basic colour than trying to render out a painting,
I to stick to as style because up to this point ive just been doing whatever the fuck i feel like at the time

>>77320235
this looks good, but the only thing that I dislike is that it looks too much like Scott Pilgrim

>>77322369
...is English your second language, or do you not get that when people say someone is "not good at" listening it means they don't listen?

>>77322561
Don't reply to Dewd-Bones.

>>77315803
Looks kinda like Cassiopeia Quinn.

>>77322529
>>77317188
do you actually mean that it's the association, not the art itself, that bugs you? i'll never understand that

>>77322561
That's not what that means. Is your English okay, Anon? Need me to tutor you? Y'know because I do that.

>>77322597
THAT'S who it reminded me of. a mix of quinn and frankie foster. very cool. looking forward to some space adventures. in space

>>77322646

is just that the SC style is so specific that you can't help but notice it.


not to mention that a lot of people are trying to copy it, even more annoying than having a Jhonen Vasquez phase

>>77322669
I'd hope someone who doesn't understand colloquialisms and the difference between proper, accepted meanings and popular fiction doesn't tutor people.

>>77322773
>popular fiction
Popular DICTION.
Thanks, phone.

>>77321659
What did you mean?

>>77322706
It sounds to me like you have some personal probs, Anon.

>>77322773
Nobody in history has ever used "not good at" to mean "refuses to" except you. A true scholar rejects the 'accepted' and asserts the correct.
Regardless however, what I said still stands. He is trying. He's just slightly mentally challenged. Deal with it, retards are welcome here.

>>77322935

yeah, tell me with a straight face that its not annoying to read a webcomic that looks like its trying to look like another artist

>>77321369
>it's gonna be quite the wild ride
I want to get off this ride.

>>77322507
You have talent man, keep at it.

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First time using a tablet, feels off and my drawing is different;

But heres a very rough draft of my first panel, thoughts?
I did draw it pretty zoomed in. Any feedback appreciated-

>>77323016
That shouldn't bother you. And if it does, you should ignore it, the way you ignore other little things your brain tells you are 'annoying' without reason.

>>77323016
That first one does look like scott pilgrim, but dewd looks more like butch hartman. that's almost the opposite.

>>77323168
>le don't use your brain maymay

>>77323167
Not much to say at this point. Is this a story about an inexplicably terrified man wandering around a normal little town and screaming? because I'm down for that.

>>77323168

stop being autistic, people have the right to perceive shit however they want.

watching something annoying and ignoring it instead of complaining is what beta fags do

>>77323207
Damnit, now I kinda want to do that, thatd be hilarious

Hes gonna steal a watch

>>77323228
A mature thinking person tries their best to move past perception into objective reality.

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>>77308666

Done.

>>77315803
Look like the lovechild of Major and Misato.

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hi guys. small lucky hazard update. i hate 1-page updates but it's all i could manage this week.

>>77323285


Art and objective don't go together anon. Art is meant to give me feelings, feelings are not objective.

Try: Try Again

>>77323367

So, No matter what.! His art is shit to you.

>>77323358
here's a link lol
http://tapastic.com/episode/222256

>>77323442

I never said that it was shit, you fucking moron retard

>>77323568
>moron retard

Are you a child?

>>77304843
Finally. More Martial Milf. My day is saved.

>>77323603
You should've just reported his post, dude.

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>>77323322

Now, I finish my practicing on my art.

Is any anon wanted to proofread this?

>>77308552
Well, you are training your eye to see the whole picture at least. However copying pictures may be frustrating in the long run. How about doing some simpler exercises? There are great tutorials online about finding the general shapes and movement of the drawing. They are also rewarding because you can't really fuck them up and they can look pretty sweet even if you don't yet have all the technical knowledge. I recommend you start from there and enjoy the process of simplifying what you see. Drawing doesn't need to be hard and you don't need to compare yourself to masters all the time.

>>77308552
Use pen and paper.

>>77323603
yes

>>77323322
>draw from life
>draws from photo reference

I got two creator owned comics ideas that I wouldn't mind some input on. The first I'm not going into detail cause its my baby and I'm keeping it very close to my heart. First is called:
>Capes and Dragons.
It's set in a medival fantasy word were instead of stereotypical knights there are individuals with super powers. It's kind of a love letter to 80s cartoons and modern comics. Second I don't mind sharing. It's called:
>Dead Orbit.
Pretty much it's the Exorcist in space and very much based on HP Lovecrafts fear of the unknown. It stars a strong female lead who finds herself on a rescue and repair mission for a missing earth colony ship orbiting Saturn. Once her and her crew arrive everything goes to shit: from possessions, to a room filling up with all the water on board and drowning someone, to alien pregnancy, etc. I just want to make it very uncomfortable and keep readers in the dark about what this thing is thays haunting the ship.

>>77323986

Like draw my phone?

Man, You are too picky.

>>77324078
No, draw animals and people that you see in real life.

>>77324078
Like go out to the zoo, the museum, a cafe, a bar and just draw what you see. Make sketching a habit. Take that stuff with you even when in class or at work.

>>77324145

Okay, I give you the picture next week.

I'm need to work on my comics.

>>77322221
No... Dewd (and some others here) I suspect do 'studies' that they attempt to breeze through as fast as possible so they can get back to their comic and be able to say "b-but I did studies." They are not patient enough to realize it takes more than a handful of studies for results to be evident in their work. Studying is about learning how things work visually but also training your muscle memory so one doesn't fall back into drawing a shorthand version of things. Dewd could argue his work is "simple" but things don't fit together dimensionally. I've been on these threads for over a year and he has barely improved his linework and drawing - his biggest strength and greatest improvement has been found in his coloring. He's much better at evoking a setting or mood... but nice coloring can only do so much for lackluster art.

>>77324176
>Like go out to the zoo, the museum, a cafe, a bar and just draw what you see. Make sketching a habit. Take that stuff with you even when in class or at work.

I can't drive and I am very shy...I guess, I going to draw my backyard.

>>77324195
And your English. I sound like a broken record here because dialogue quality is more important than art quality. I know it'll be hard, and your country situation might not allow for it but if you could use English in your day-to-day speech and talk to some native English speakers regularly your English skills will improve considerably.

>>77324264

It was a typo.

And I am kind of wasn't thinking because of all the stress in my life, I didn't get to sleep at night.

>>77323322
was the frog picture squished when you used it? or only afterwards
>>77323367
yeah but you should still be individualized. React to the art as if it's the first time you saw it, not in a way that's based on it reminding you of something else, which in turn you judged for its content and not its art quality.. or worse, judged harshly because of how common it is. those are all retardular reasons.
like, if some art reminds you of van gogh, that doesn't mean it has an air of mental illness around it just because he did.

>>77324813

Seriously, Get a new keyboard.

>>77323778
making a deal*
comma after friend
young youths is redundant
put the ellipsis after youths and decapitalize for, then put a period after price instead of ellipsis.

either stop screaming* or stop with the screaming* if you wanna go a little more yiddish there.
I have no idea what 'affecting my patterns' means. like, affecting my sleep pattern?

decapitalize killers, put comma after freaks, pluralize monster
worse than all of them*
it was* one of those
also no idea what he means by an out of body dream with a cute girl, the out of body dream is YOU isn't it?

>>77324145
there is a very slight difference using a live model, if you have stereoscopic vision. otherwise a picture is more than adequate as a replacement. It's not easy to get a suitably large / close-up frog to hold still while you draw it. Photo referencing is just fine.
That said, he needs to learn how to break it up into geometric shapes first

>>77324875

Thanks...

>>77324264
>dialogue quality is more important than art quality
I know this is an age-old debate but seriously... no... there are "silent" comics out there but not many that are purely dialogue (though it could definitely work... panels of text with a fitting color behind it... it'd be pretty formal.) Like it's important to make pages that would read even if the dialogue was dropped. But it wouldn't work, most of the time, vice versa (otherwise you'd just have a book.)

>>77324057
superhero fantasy? i can dig it. that doesn't get combined as often as it should. Of course the people in the setting would probably think their more scifi-ish powers were magic.. maybe you could drop 'alchemy' a few times.
as for the exorcist in space, that actually sounds pretty neat. we get a lot of space horror but most of it centers around dealing with the horrors as an immediate threat, rather than a general but worrying thing that you have to call in an exorcist for. and surely in this future it'd be someone else you call in, some kind of detective..

>>77324222
Yes, they aren't patient enough. That's what I'm saying. Stop getting frustrated, start pitying and thanking god you were blessed with more patience. Dewd is improving rapidly in some areas and dawdling in others. That's how it goes sometimes. But it's no excuse to start heaping accusations about the artist ignoring your input

>>77324900
>Artfag doesn't know about comics

Look, It like putting all leonardo da vinci pictures into one book and calling it a comic-book.

>>77324900
I'm not talking about "silent" comics though, I'm talking about this guy's comic >>77323778 which features a lot of dialogue.

>>77324230
backyards are a great thing to start with. Try to reconcile the mental map you have of the place with the actual view you have from one particular place within it. Then move to another corner, and see how it differs. This will teach you a ton of stuff
Then try doing it with a more unfamiliar area (maybe a nearby park) and see how the process differs.
and if you don't feel like doing the whole landscape, you can focus on an individual shrub. it's all good practice.

>>77324858
sorry my typing bothers you so much, s-senpai. i'll type better next time. I know you like the work my fingers do.. and if you wanna buy me a new keyb, I'll accept the gift graciously.

>>77324890
> a very slight difference

no.... photos are on a flat, 2D surface. models exist in three dimensional space, which you must translate into a 2D one. the reason one draws from life is to learn how to translate 3D into 2D - drawing from photos defeats the purpose.

>>77324900
it depends. newspaper comics, XKCD, Brevity, that kind of thing.. they rely entirely on word quality. they're illustrated musings. farces.
meanwhile a superhero comic is a lot more likely to have embarrassingly terrible dialogue because they're focusing harder on the art

>>77325094
I like to think my superhero comic has dialogue that isn't embarrassingly terrible. Cliche, perhaps, but I try to make it not suck.

>>77324890
Drawing from life is so much better than drawing from photos, it is known.

>>77325001
This was the first time I'd replied to any of those posts about Dewd. I'm not frustrated so much as I know/have seen folks (including myself) waste time spinning their wheels trying to troubleshoot through their comics instead of some studies. I think eventually all drawing becomes fun, and that's when the real improvement kicks in. I don't feel such a deep difference between drawing comics and drawing from life as I did a few years ago. I just want Dewd to feel that too cause he seems like a nice person who obviously really likes making things.

>>77325011
What?

>>77325022
Sorry, I thought you were stating that in general dialogue was of greater importance than imagery. I forgot to think of things like >>77325094 mentioned... I just remembered those dinosaur comics where it's the same pictures every time, just with new dialogue.

>>77325307
>I just remembered those dinosaur comics where it's the same pictures every time, just with new dialogue
And those are all terrible. The guy who makes them is simply not a good writer.

>>77325093
yeah well most of our lives are looking at 2d screens, so it's important to work out how something is constructed in 3d from a 2d image so that you can draw that same thing in other poses
but i'm stereoblind so i can never understand what it's like for you to see something live and in person and have it feel different

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>>77325307
>What?

I don't know how to explain it to you.

Random beautiful pictures =//= comics.

>>77325307
yeah that's tricky. Most of the tough things in life have a way to trick yourself into finding them a lot less tough. eventually it DOES become fun to study and do things the long hard way.
>>77325383
he's a fantastic writer. he writes the adventure time comics, and they are also fantastic.

>>77325413
He writes USG, I rest my case.

>>77324875
>I have no idea what 'affecting my patterns' means. like, affecting my sleep pattern?

Yes! I tried to shorten it for the speech bubble and wanted to sound cool.

>>77325401
The most loose definition of comics is a series of panels. So, yes, actually, a series of "random beautiful pictures" does = comics by virtue of them being in a sequence and thus implying a narrative.

>>77325433
folks hate USG around here but fail to realize they aren't the target demo - isn't it for preteen/teenage girls? i have the sneaking suspicion it's not the art or writing you guys hate, but the whole "girl power" aspect and the new target audience for the character. the "old" squirrel girl seemed silly interacting so seriously with logan and iron man - the new series seems like a more appropriate avenue for her.

>>77325924
yeah that's fine, it's something a real person would say i suppose. i get more critical of that when i'm proofreading.

>>77326073
the problem is that it's insane to target that audience, when that audience will eat up anything you throw at them as long as you firmly tell them 'this is what you must be doing' because they're spineless.
reinforcing what other media has already told them is dumb. it limits you

>>77324941
I'm still trying to think of what I should call my "super heroes" in my fantasy comic. Either Supers or Mages or something along those lines.
As for the other comic I want to not only keep the reader in the dark but also my characters. The characters are mostly scientists but a few are of faith so right away they think they're dealing with a demon or some other melevolent spirit. The true threat though is going to be revealed close to the end of my story. So far though I just have a synopsis and skeleton outline of both. Just downloaded paint tool Sai and I'm gonna start working on it pretty soon here.

>>77326073
>isn't it for preteen/teenage girls?
No, it's not.

>>77326258
supers is so dumb, they're not exactly mages.. and alchemists has been overdone. I would say... something like 'thaumaturges' meaning miracle-workers

>>77326258
Maybe something that's a portmanteau involving the word "warlock" like something-lock or war-something.

>>77326073
>i have the sneaking suspicion it's not the art or writing you guys hate, but the whole "girl power" aspect and the new target audience for the character.

And you'd be wrong. I mean, that might be part of it, but the artist is a fucking hack who has gone on twitter/tumblr as saying that she draws her characters as ugly as possible on purpose so they are as unattractive/alternative/unappealing as possible.

When you purposefully make your art as unattractive and shitty as possible, just to curb anyone potentially finding your characters attractive, it is just stupid.

And that stupid fucking face...God, she uses that stupid face for every single character, male or female, with the big buck teeth, and fucked up lips.

She's a tumblrina of the highest form. There are a fuckton of other comics that are being written and drawn for teenage girls that are far better (in fact, the industry as a whole, especially within Marvel and DC, seems to be gearing more toward being inclusive of that younger female audience) than USG.

People hate it because she is spiteful and makes her art ugly as sin just to be contrarian. That's why people hate her, especially since so many other, much better artists go passed over in favor of the godawful schlock we ended up with.

>>77326478
it's important to keep etymology in mind with this kind of thing. warlock means covenant-denier. you're right though, some portmanteau of other words meaning magic or skills or the result-of-alchemy or something.

>>77325093
You idiot it doesn't matter if draw from a photo or real life.

>>77326175
>when that audience will eat up anything you throw at them as long as you firmly tell them 'this is what you must be doing' because they're spineless

if you're a BUSINESS, which marvel is, that sounds like a great demo to target. you forget cape comics are consumer objects first, art objects second. also i don't see how squirrel girl is reinforcing other stereotypes about teen girls in media - she's an awkward, chubby super heroine who is the protagonist of her series and presented positively. that's unique compared to the teengirl media that was around when i was that age (the clique, gossip girl, etc...) i would have LOVED a book like squirrel girl.

>>77326554
sounds to me like the artist is on our side, and is trolling the tumblrinas by making their heros ugly. people who are actually doing it to be contrarian and 'defy visual normsl' don't actually call it ugly. or were those your words

>>77326554
>She's a tumblrina of the highest form.
opinion discarded

>>77326568
yes it does... and i literally explained why. but here's a citation for you:

1. Copying two-dimensional photos inhibits an artist from seeing objects in volumes and space.
2. It prevents an artist from judging distances and perspective.
3. The artist doesn’t think and visualize the three-dimensional nature of an object, but subconsciously regards all objects and shapes two-dimensionally as seen in photos.
4. By copying flat images, an artist doesn’t make a constructive drawing; there is no comprehensive understanding of objects’ masses and their spatial relationship.
5. Drawing from photos forces an artist to draw what he or she sees rather than what one knows.
6. It stops an artist from learning and following the traditional, time-proven, step-by-step, drawing methods, which have been perfected by many generations of fine artists starting from the Old Masters.
7. Working from photos prevents an artist from learning from his or her mistakes, and makes it impossible to improve drawing skills by analyzing and fixing those mistakes.

http://drawingacademy.com/why-drawing-photos-is-treacherous

>>77317604

is this your alt comic: http://odormortis.thecomicseries.com

????

>>77326573
what i'm saying is there's no reason to tie yourself to the existing dreck they've been sold when you could basically sell them anything. this isn't the most lazy they could be.

>>77326686
you cant support any of that though, you're just saying it
photography hasn't even existed long enough for anyone to know how well it works as a model. and when it comes to small animals and shit it is the only option. you just have to estimate the 3dness of it.. which is easy if you have a brain

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Jam, Sammy, and Chel for the next issue of the Sisters. Doing some character exploration right now, realizing how big an influence Sam Raimi's stuff has been on me. Kind of interesting to notice.

Next issue starts Friday.

>>77325383
I liked Dinosaur Comics, but it's clear his writing works best in small doses. Over-saturation of his product shows he doesn't have a ton to say of worth.
>>77326073
First USG was passable and fun, but there was no increase in quality and it lacked weight as it went on. If it was street-powered college girl, I'd accept it. I'm upset Gurihiru didn't get to do the art for the series because the stuff going on it now just doesn't do it for me. Doesn't help that the writing went downhill and it just didn't resonate. If the target demo is preteens/teenage girls, so be it; but the reason old SG worked playing off Logan and Iron Man had to do with pairing. Straight man, funny man, et cetera. Doesn't work as well when everyone plays by the cartoon rules.

The "girl power" aspect to it is what it is, but it's kind of weak. I mean it is present, much in the same way that Squirrel Girl is present; you can say it is there but it isn't exactly powerful or well-done. At least by my accounting.

The facial anatomy also bothers me because it isn't well-defined enough to argue rubber-facing stuff like she's Jim Carrey. It is more of a mask or a screen than a skull, if that makes any sense?

But those are just my thoughts. There's plenty of shit out there, I try not to get mad about any one thing I dislike so long as I'm allowed to have what I do like.

>>77326589

She pretty much went out and straight-up said she purposefully made them ugly so that there was no chance people would find her characters attractive and/or make fan art and/or masturbate to them.

I'm pretty sure she flat-out said she didn't want straight people masturbating to her characters.

>>77326686
>opinion discarded

Well, one man's trash is another man's treasure. If you can't see the flaw in wanting to make all of your characters fat, ugly, or minorities, just for the sake of them being fat, ugly, or minorities (which, is definitive of the "tumblr crowd") then I am afraid you are simply blind to what's going on.

Marvel and DC (particularly Marvel) have latched onto the coattails of Tumblr in the last two years or so because that's what's trending right now. Alternative relationships and/or sexualities, minorities, appealing to the "womyn"/neo-feminist crowd, same-sex relationships, etc has set tumblr, facebook, and several social media sites ablaze in recent days. And the comics industry has latched onto that, which is why you see so many of these things being filtered into/pandered to in modern comic books.

>>77327049
i'm not saying you can't use photo as reference - of course you can. but photos are not good for teaching yourself HOW TO DRAW. your ability to estimate in the cases where you can't have a live reference is directly influenced by how much practice you have converting 3D to 2D. if you have none, what frame of reference would you have to come to an even remotely accurate estimate?

>>77327007
oh... i think i get what you mean. like make a new franchise instead of recycling squirrel girl? i actually can get behind that. i think the new moon girl is really cute.

>>77326258
Any magic practitioner title will work especially as a pejorative, although you could go with Miracles, Blessed, God-touched, granted, Boon-walker or Nephilim.

In Witch Hunter Robin, it turns out pretty quickly the characters aren't hunting down devil practitioners, but essentially Marvel Mutants and espers, most with a single ability.

>>77327162
you've redesigned chel a few times haven't ya
i feel like i'll change my mind once i see her in color, but i feel like this design is too close to erin. .. or maybe just too streisand. but we'll see! I don't even remember your past designs, I just remember you showed us once and I liked those

>>77327162
Nah, I can see that. I've only read the first one, and that was because the artist was here doing a signing in my city and I was like "hey, why not?"

>>77327250
I think she wants to draw those kinds of folks because she hasn't seem them well represented elsewhere. But like I said, my experience with SG and its crew isn't very extensive. Also, get off your high horse re: pandering. Comics were just pandering to a different crowd for years, but that wasn't making them enough money so... they targeted demos that would buy their books and give them cash. That demo happens to be "tumblr" now. Don't act as though mainsteam comics haven't been a big ol panderfest for decades.

>>77327162
indeed, that kind of face looks like a weird rubber mask, like the ninja turtles used to wear in the old cartoon
>>77327250
oh wow, that's... that's something else entirely. that isnt tumblr, that is straight up jihadist catholic crazy.

>>77327250
the problem is, in our day, people who were trying to combat looks-ism as it were were trying to say there IS no ugly.
now that we have decidedly proven that, though taste exists, there absolutely IS ugly and beautiful, and they're based on health and correctly-functioning genes, these people have to resort to being absolute contrarian idiots

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>>77304420
New page of our manga

>>77327253
i mean.. you've seen frogs before, you know what their shapes are
plus when you look at a photo, the shading and such lets you know how full the shapes are.. You can tell looking at a coin and a painting, the difference in depth between the two face shapes.
but i wonder if those of us who are stereoblind might actually have an advantage there
i know i can't draw the back of something unless i've held it in my hand and rotated it.. touched the back while looking at the front.. i have trouble knowing they continue to exist.

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>>77327369
Yeah, Chel's been redesigned a bit. She's sort of floated about as a character who lacked a lot of relevance in an already decently sized cast. But I always liked her, because she's a good third-input for Sammy and Jam.

She's a bit shorter than Erin, thinner due to eating disorders. Doesn't have the big sad eyes of the older design, but I'm sure those'll come into play. And she undergoes more physical changes down the line, same with Sammy. Three story arcs per in-universe year is the intended goal.

We just tied Chel into Walt, made her his niece. Which makes the following arc a bit more interesting. It'll also help with some differentiation between her and Erin to come. Erin goes through some physical changes at the end of the arc, nothing radical but enough to help differentiate. Also Conrad's fault.

But that's a good point, and I thank you for pointing that out. I didn't totally love her past designs, mostly because she lacked a quality that showed her pep was a cover for a lot of emptiness. It was just pep. Plus we have zero blond people in the comic right now, mostly gingers and brunettes. Dan was blonde for a period. Dirty nasty toilet water blonde. It was lost in translation.

Thanks for the reply.

>>77327610
I'm disappointed this wasn't Keit-Ai desu.

>>77327354
Makers would also sound pretty good, if it focuses on how they make changes in things.. or if they all have a superhero origin where their powers awaken however, 'wakers'

>>77327610

Web-manga?

Are you Japanese?

>>77327381
The problem is that WE wanted to be pandered to because we wanted to have money.. we knew someday us nerds would be the richest because we'd work in computer jobs and shit.. but because we actually LIVED life, we spent our money on it, and now these other people whined and cheated to get money for being oppressed and shit, and now THEY're the ones.. they're using that money to become the objects of pandering instead. and it's not fucking fair, we never got a chance to be the cool desired demographic. Or at least not for very long.

>>77327381
>Also, get off your high horse re: pandering.

No, it is pandering of the highest calibur.

There is really no merit to just handing over the mantle of Thor to a woman. Or handing over the mantle of Captain America to a black guy. Or handing over the mantle of Spider-Man to a black kid, or making this character gay out of nowhere, or that character trans out of nowhere.

It is meaning less pandering.

Because all you're doing is handing over a prestigious title, and all of the power and accomplishments over to another group without telling the story of them getting there.

Cape comics are always about the adversity that people face, and how they deal with the duality of the personal lives vs. their Hero lives. They're about the rise and fall of people. I'm not at all against a gay hero, or a trans hero, or a female hero, or a minority hero. I don't want you think that. You can tell a pretty powerful story (since this is largely new territory we're exploring here with some of these issues) by showing their trials and their rise to be a powerful, respected name in their universe.

Instead, boringly, they're just handed titles that have been held by white guys for decades, and all of the prestige and power is pretty much meaningless because we didn't have to really see their rise/arc to get there.

Sometimes I feel like the only one who sees the flaw in this method..

>>77327610
yeah this kinda thing is hard to enjoy piecemeal unfortunately

>>77327629
neato, can't wait.
also good for you, that's ambitious. i used to try making my characters change looks over time but i just .. i'm not consistent enough as it is. thank GOD boobs irl do grow and shrink over the course of the month, that gives me some leeway

>>77327644
Nope, just a German with autism.

>>77327726
You can read the first 11 pages here:
http://www.circlejerk.de/pravitate

Some of the older pages need hd-remakes and better english translations though.

>>77327677
more to the point, these people aren't oppressed anymore. haven't been. and even if they were, it sure as fuck wasn't very long before everyone caved. they have everything now, and they're clearly in the majority and have all the power. so at this point it's somewhere between gloating and an oppressive takeover

>>77327629
What's that panel from? Are there more Sisters comics out there not on the site?

Also I hope despite these changes... everybody will be a-okay....

>>77327676
haha oh my god, cry me a river! personally i think comics are better today than they have been in a while... then again, i don't really bother with capes either.

>>77327677
they hand over titles so people will buy the books. the average person will buy a spider-man comic, because hey, spiderman! thor! etc! but it's harder to market a totally new brand, even if you're a big company like marvel. again, it's just about the $.

>>77327809
Couple old comics, mostly three-to-four pagers.
The bigfoot one, which that panel is from, is referenced a lot. The comic didn't have Jam and Sammy in harmony, and he was kind of a dumbass and Jam was kind of a jerk. Also had Bigfoot tits.

We reference it. Might re-do it at some point if we ever get some Patreon funbucks.

Also a comic for a future arc featuring Jam meeting her dad, a comic where Jam and Sammy are at the mall dealing with goth kids (actually based on a spiritual consultation I did where someone was claiming to be talking to an evil spirit in their house and I freaked them out before saying the name they were using is a Gygaxian creation). A comic where Erin and Beatrice cleanse the house from an evil spirit from a doll. One where they celebrate Halloween. One that's super emotion-baiting about the day their parents sort of abandoned them and Erin was left to be in charge.

On tapastic we have a comic which is literally just the girl's parents being 70s swinger cultists. We had an almost finished mini-issue about them and some of their enemies who will show up later. Didn't look as good, so it got dropped.

Plenty of old comics actually, from 2011-2012. We've improved and fixed characterization up a lot. But a lot of the events we keep for reference continuity on our own end.

Sammy's fear of bigfoot is also my fear of bigfoot. It involves Harry and the Hendersons being on a channel away from the Sci-Fi channel which had a horror flick about Bigfoot on. A channel flip during a commercial and my young self is traumatized.

>everybody being a-okay.
Well, it worked out great for Scott, didn't it?

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>>77327967
And also a full comic about why Beatrice is a mess, which the artist wrote all by himself and it has some good chops to it. But it'll probably get redone too.

>>77327754
People change over a few years, especially in High School. Jam is fifteen. She'll be 18 by the time it's done. We've got a set end. We've already epilogued a lot of stuff.

Some have radically changed. But I still like the college-kid Jam we came up with. She'll probably be canon because she's the logical progression of all the things to come.

>>77327967
Oh man... where can I read them? Ever since I read the whole thing though I've been wanting more. I intend to obnoxiously draw you a bunch of fanart once I'm done with school/finally finish my comic. The Sisters is the modern fantasy I always wanted but never could find. It's great.

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>>77322299
>>77322257
>>77322181
i prefer black/white with toning or shading, but i think it just comes down to personal preference. your girl a qt tho
>>77321808
this looks great, especailly the colors you chose. my only gripe with it would be the horizon line in the background but thats just a minor nitpick


i just finished this up, i still dont really know what im doing but ive done 20+ pages of this shit in the last 2 days so im just gonna ride it out

>>77327875
well i dunno i stopped reading after the 90s, i wouldn't be shocked at all if they were a lot better now than in the 00s.
i'm more lamenting an overall societal problem: the 90s kids are being shoved aside for the millennials and we didn't even get a fucking chance. I was ready to be the uncool old guy someday, but not now. not fucking yet.

>>77327967
>bigfoot tits
iirc patterson film had tits. titsquatch is important!

oh god that story... i fucking love your stories. There is nothing like the look on someone's face when you let them know something is just an internet meme and not real folklore. I always felt like if they had done a slenderman movie a few years back (yknow at the time when that was a good idea), that should have been the plot. play it totally seriously as a real ancient myth, woodcuttings and all, then haflway through reveal it's just a dumb internet thing and have the guy wonder what's actually going on, and it turns out it became real through belief or something. but then it turns out it became real from joking, instead of that cliche.

>>77327967
>Swinger cultists comic
OHH YEAHHhh I remember that! It's coming back now. Yeah that didn't look as good. I'm happier with things the way they are now. But it's always good having a prologue.

don't feel bad, I got traumatized by ernest getting his hands slammed in a window

>>77328128
beatrice is a mess? huh, she came off as really strong and stable to me. like she's taken charge of all the bullshit. maybe it's just because she's so thick.. which come to think of it, given her family genes.. hmm..

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>>77326073
>i have the sneaking suspicion it's not the art or writing you guys hate, but the whole "girl power" aspect and the new target audience for the character.

Have you seen these threads? Over half the people people here are working on a comic with a majority-female cast (mine isn't; though I think it's fairly 1:1). And hell, I've read a few of those and I've really enjoyed them (The Sisters, Carrion Girls, Kiwi Day N...). I've read/watched a bunch of stories with a majority female cast and so has the rest of /co/ really; just look at the catalog and see how many anons watch cartoons for girls or with female leads.

The simple fact is that people just find USG to be garbage, plain and simple.

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>>77328182
Eugh...Old stuff.
All right, gimme a sec. I'll upload'em to a imgur album.
Bare in mind these are old. We've grown much as a writer and artist team since they happened. There's a lot of growing pains here. Artist used to want to do it all by himself, and I'd just throw in a consulting note or two. We've been buds for half a decade, and my ideas were stronger and the narrative was more cohesive when it went from being Dresden-Files-lite to being more street level character stuff.

Looking around, I know these aren't all the comics.
I know the original prelude that was done is gone. It's for the best.

A lot changed when I got on board fully. Did a big research thing, added a lot of cohesion.
I'll pop the link up

>>77328640
>didn't look as good.
Yeah, which is why I'm reluctant to even link the old stuff. It was way back when before he formalized his style, and even that's something that evolves. It was very geometric at the start of the year, it has gotten more organic since.

And I wasn't as heavily involved either.

As far as my old stuff, I did about five 20-ish page stories about Handsome Dan, who was vastly different. Got kicked off the force after having a coffee pot smashed across his face, worked as a freelance bounty hunter and dwelt in trash. Was dating Beatrice, living in a bolt hole apartment, and much of the prose was noting the methods and illegality of his stuff. It was a fun Dan, also a vastly different one. No magic, just pulp.

Pic related. Handsome Dan and the Great Outdoors was the last story I wrote and I never put it up. Dan accidentally smuggles Jam into the Poconos on a bounty. It involves catching a pedo.

Imgur is being finicky as shit.

>>77328613
Zuggtymoy was the entity in question. My nerd brain processed it immediately.

>>77328819
Beatrice, at the end of this current issue, isn't doing great. Plus Erin doesn't know she strips, and does mock her for "terrible life choices" in the Plum Island story.

>>77328839
I think it's part that and part other stuff. It's funny how much of an ISSUE people make out of sex. As long as I can remember, everything always favored girls.. If there was a battle of the sexes on some tv show, girls always won. Dad always told me to hold doors open for girls, and all that stuff.. and at first I resented it, then I just decided I liked girls better so it was fine.
but 'grrl power' just simultaneously demeans them and turns them into demanding angry bitches. I've seen it transform already-strong women into brittle napoleon-complex-havers worried they'll be oppressed if they let their guards down.
My comic has mostly girls just because it's the second generation, and the original generation all had daughters and little sisters because that spoke to me deep down. The one son anyone had is adopted (and a last-minute addition), and the other guy added to the cast started out as a damsel prince to get rescued, and then somewhat of a straightman.. and now slowly transitioning into a goofy dad as he gets older. I kind of worry i'm not including enough strong males, but desu i want more males so i can make fun of them, because women seem too perfect to make mistakes.. I think I might be sipping the flavor-ade

>>77328963
maybe that's it, I just automatically respect the fuck out of strippers. They're like models except they don't have to sit still.
And yeahhh she is smashing up her room.. but.. that's a healthy response, right? shit maybe I'm fucked up too.

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>>77328963
Dan also got a dog. Lulu. Handsome Dan and the Dog Fights was his first real character outing. I ought to edit this stuff and put it out there, it wasn't that bad. It was maniac pulp about filth.

All right, not uploading ALL the comics because some were really bad. This is before the style we use got fully developed, and we were testing stuff out. I was 20, he was 19; I think in the four years since we did most of these things we've gotten a lot better.

Also some are plot relevant and we're going to revisit them. But Silver City is fine, just more of their parents. Not up to our current snuff, but parts of it work. I did not authorize the bullet thing, his teacher suggested it; and that's when we really lost enthusiasm for the project. Color scheme was also a prof suggestion if I remember correctly. Just some 60s-70s hip stuff. Ava and Liam, despite being satanists, enjoyed the Muppets. I forget why I liked that trait about them, I think it showed that despite being psychos they still had some degree of enjoyment for humanity.
Soundtrack for them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MirI6GQJGM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_onagRhKN5E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMR5JVo21wQ

Ava and Liam were also on a different power level. We lowered the tiers. Ugh. I really don't want to show off the old stuff...

But if you want to see where we were at one point, behold: http://imgur.com/a/wbaA2


>>77329059
Oh, Erin's disrespect for Beatrice is less about the stripping; though that'll be fun when she figures it out. P.B. is in the same boat.

I grew up with a teacher for a parent, and in small towns, especially before you've got tenure; anything like a family member doing that kind of thing can sink you. Plus Erin's not that nice a lady anyway.

>>77329539
oohh yeah it's all coming back now

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>>77329539
That's about it for old stuff worthy of seeing the light of day on any level. Silver City, if not for the color and a panel or two, I think is pretty decent. Liam and Ava are edgy, but they're practitioners during a period known in America as the "Satanic Panic", and much of the implications about them is that ever since they met they went on a cross-country murder road trip to please el Diablo.

Kind of fun for me to look at this after such a long time. They liked each other, they had fun. It's always been pretty heavily emphasized that their kids ruined that for them. They really wanted a son.

And now I'm jamming to 70s music.
Back to work.

Don't hold the old stuff against us. We were young and foolish then, we feel old and foolish now.

Also young Beatrice wasn't very stout. It's sort of, Erin got her Dad's build, Beatrice sort of got her Mom's build, Jam remains to be seen.

>>77329957
a tree can withstand a bunch of stuff.. but its roots are like, impossible to dig up.. yeah. some metaphor like that. i have a headache.

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>all these /ic/ books

This shit is overwhelming. They couldn't have whittled it down to like two or three books?
I'm going to be dead before I finish all this.

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Next Chapter suggestion.

>After being beaten by a off-screen monster.
>Jack tried to get rid of his powers
>Look around town for the guy that gave him his powers.
>Found out, He is dead.

Or...

>Strange person give him egg.
>Turn out that egg is a horny monster that wanted to reproduce with him.
>Then found out that if she produce babies. His babies is going eat him alive.
>He stop her by asking her to wait until marriage.

>>77331440
>After being beaten by a off-screen monster
If this happens, the reader should see it.

>>77328227
thanks man!

I hope that people like my character enough, I really like her, she is pretty ok

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OC's art trades when?

>>77332709
any time you want man,. pick someone. see if theyll do it

>>77331440
>>After being beaten by a off-screen monster.
an important part of comics is to show and not tell
timeskips can be a useful plot device, but not in this case

>>77332922

Would it better if I say that the same monster killed the guy?

>>77333008
It would be better if you showed it.

>>77321808
tone the Moebius back a bit, find your own style

>>77333249

So, Which is better?

Option 1 or Option 2?

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Finished this page.

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update

belongingtonobody.tumblr.com

lore, etc.

dumcasta.tumblr.com

>>77333919
>squid shrugs
heh

>>77325387
>stereoblind
Took me like 5 readings before I realized you meant you only see from one eye.

>>77335032
Actually people with two independently functioning eyes can also be stereoblind.

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>>77332709

What is art trade?

Sound like fun.

>>77335074
>What is art trade?
You make a drawing (usually one of the other artist's original characters), and the other artist makes a drawing for you. Simple as that.

>>77322646
I'm the second poster and I'm not bothered in the slightest by the Scott Pimgrim style, I'm just saying it is pretty standard looking and that Scott Pilgrim is the standard. The comic isn't going to stand out based on style alone.

>>77335032
>>77335066
this. it just means you don't see 3d. each eye gets a 2d input and the brain arranges them into.. another 2d picture. for whatever reason (missing eye, weaker eye, ignored eye, whatever)
I was in my 20s before I realized normal people can actually see the 3dness of something just by looking at it.

>>77335862
well that's a valid assessment
but i still think, if anything, dewd could use MORE scottpilgrimness in his style. especially characters like sora.

>>77335979

Not talking about Dewd but >>77317071

It's got the same level of cartoonishness and the big black point cornered eyes.

I don't have any opinions on Dewds art other than what everyone says, which he needs to work on his perspective and anatomy.

>>77336252
yeah okay i got confused. that one is validly scott pilgrim style. totally. though it also kinda reminds me of kazerad style

>>77336252

Oh, What kind of style do I got?

>>77331440

Any tips for drawing on a tablet (besides the obvious drawing as often as possible). I have a small Bamboo touch and play. I don't think I need to buy a cintique, but it does feel very unnatural drawing with my tablet to the side or in my lap.

>>77336342
Rutabaga Adventure style

>>77336501
i put my tablet on top of my mousepad.. it has legs propping it up so i just put it right over the mouse. feels natchy

>>77312231
Taptastic paired with an askfm?

>>77312231
Those a bunch of Death Korpsmen?

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What do you guys think about my oc hero?
>He's going to be in a future comic.

>>77337426
That you sawbones? Fancy earthbender looking dude if so.

>>77337426
he's a prty cool guy

>>77337476
No, me not sawbones
>>77337477
Thank ya

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>>77324875

Fix it!

How do I stick with an idea? It's like I make a premise that inspires me, but then I never do anything more with it.

>>77337631
comma after friend
period after price. capitalize He

worse than all of them*

>>77337698

FUUUUCCCKKK!

Also, Do you like the dialogue? It is shit?

>>77337761
umm... it's a good start. I'm willing to see where it goes

>>77337631
", he had to endure plenty of nightmares"
and I would suggest you replace one of those excalmation marks in the last panel with a comma

>>77319700

>If it's going to be in public, like this, it would be ideal if it's something that you don't expect to get a reply to.

"when it comes to my comic just leave comments like offerings before a shrine of anime tits and i might grace u with my skype contact info'

>>77337631

Leaving some links here for you, and for everyone else in the thread. You really need to work on the basics of grammar. It's a deal-breaker for me, and most others. And you should learn it, too. It'll help you in your meaty life because you read like an idiot. I say that with the nicest intentions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dr5lN1jqRE

https://www.coursera.org/learn/grammar-punctuation

>>77337761
if you dont mind me asking, what is your native language?

Am I butterfly dreaming I'm a man? Or a bowling ball dreaming I'm a plate of sashimi? Never assume what you see and feel is real.

>>77338611

I don't have it.

I'm just terrible with grammar and shit.

>>77338592

Oh great, Now I going to read English books and art books.

Hobby is hobby, I got to get better at it!

>>77338914

Try that course I linked. It's free and self-paced with assessments.

Basic grammar and punctuation really isn't that hard, you just have to want it enough to be bored for a bit. It's just like algebra.

Also if you are ESL or living outside of an English speaking country, if you want to write in English you need to be speaking to English as practice -at the very least listening to it.

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sometimes I love sketching out new poses i've never tried before.

>>77339202

Sure, I have shit English but You kind of insulting me right now.

I guess I going to make a schedule about this.

4:00 to 5:00, Checking my grammar.
6:00 to 7:00 checking my art.

Why is being a artist and writer is so hard.

>>77339449
nobody's insulting you, bra. this is the third or fourth time now you've gotten petulant. You've gotta know you're among friends, guy! We're not fucking with you. And these emotional maturity issues are more important than language issues, which we understand is frustrating. All of us struggle with english at some point or another, it's just a fucked up language. Just chill out and hug a loved one.

>>77339660
i know, man. you're hungry and thirsty. and being instantly-perfect would be REALLY satisfying. it's everyone's fantasy. But you know that's not how it works. You'll put in the work and someday you'll be great!

>>77339750

Eh...I guess I going to proofread all my stuff now.

I guess, I don't need you anymore.

>>77340008
always here to help

Is updating on Wednesdays and Fridays a good schedule, or are they too close together?
I really like the idea of posting on those two days but I can see it possibly being a bad idea with them being so close together. Not even a production speed problem really, just concerned about the spacing for the readers.

Something about posting a page during the middle of the week and posting another to kick off the weekend sounds fun to me, and i'd like to imagine it's fun for the readers as well assuming they dig my comic.

>>77340150
tuesday and friday is better. but if your readers prefer reading wednesday and friday, they can.. it'll be there, yknow? whenever they check. just as long as they aren't checking ONLY on friday and missing every other update, then it doesn't really matter when.. but if someone checked on thursday.. you see the problem. i check everything every day

>>77338446
>anime tits
What is with this term?

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>>77340343

>>77340370
Is that all?

I want to make creator owned comics but I'm not great with a tablet. Is it possible that I can use paper and ink to create my comic and then use a program on my computer to clean everything up? Or is it better for me to just get used to tablet drawing? I really want to get started by my inability to draw well on a tablet compared to paper discourages me. Also I lack programs. I got basic paint tool Sai but it doesn't come with the ink pen for some reason.

>>77340700
While I would say definitely keep practicing with your tablet, you could always still just scan in your penciled comics and clean them up a bit with a program like Photoshop.
http://dw-wp.com/resources/cartooning-quickguides/quickguides-cleanup/

What don't you like about using a tablet?

Also, not sure what you mean by the lack of an ink pen in Sai. You mean like the pen tool in other programs like Photoshop with the curve points you can adjust?
Sai has a linework layer system as somewhat of a substitute for that.

>>77340854
>penciled comics
Forgot you said inked, whoops. It's late here.
Yeah that's definitely an option when it comes to comic creation.

>>77340700
yeah, scanning your drawings then 'inking' them digitally with a tablet is something a lot of people do
do it long enough and you might find you no longer need the scanned drawing

>>77338446
don't be a retard, bro, his skype is in the OP