Just watched Yuri on Ice, and really enjoyed it. Are there any

As in gay themed, but not full on porn?

Free!
No.6

Love Stage isnt entirely full on porn. A couple sex scenes but that's it.

Similar quality?

Doukyuusei. But that's pretty much it. You can try other BL anime but the larger majority of it is corny and forgettable.

I enjoyed Free much more than YoI. I actually cared about the characters in Free, whereas I honestly didn't give a shit about anyone in YoI.

Also, the boys are much cuter in Free.

>>3112630
>Are there any other "Yaoi" anime of similar quality?
you mean fujobait

>>3112720
NOT fujobait. Anime that contains BL or yaoi, that doesn't pander to fujos.

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>>3112727
But the whole BL/yaoi genre is made for fujos. That's why it's so bad. (pic related)

YoI is not BL, by the way. Also, don't be fooled by people making it seem like the epitome of gay representation, because it isn't.

>>3112727
>NOT fujobait. Anime that contains BL or yaoi, that doesn't pander to fujos.
Are you implying YoI didn't pander to fujoshi?

>>3112720
Not familiar with the anime terminology. How does one distinguish this "fujobait" from just something that has gay/bi themes? And what makes it undesirable?

>>3112807
I guess it means it panders to fat hambeasts who typically ships everyone in animes, but with no deeper or serious thought behind it.

Sort of like "fan service".

>>3112807
There is functionally no difference between fujoshi bait and gay anime. Gay men here just don't like the idea that their content is being watched by women.

>>3112825
I guess it has more to do with the fact that they dont like seeing their sexuality, life situations, troubles, etc being reduced to something trivial for girls to get their ovaries worked up over.

But it's anime we're talking about, they have been doing the same thing to girls for 30 years so who can really blame them?

Doukyuusei was pretty decent and is probably more along something gay anime fans would like to see more of.

Which we probably will since Yuri!! opened that pandoras box.

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>>3112693
Good choice anon

>>3112807
>>3112825
>>3112826

Fujobait is when the "couple" is not a couple at all. The characters aren't even canon gay. The homosexual undertones are played to draw fangirls in, because they like shipping.

BL has canon gay characters, but it's made for women (as most lesbian porn is made for men). 99% of works revolve around the uke/seme bullshit, where the uke could be easily replaced by a woman with no change in the story whatsoever.

Also
>Yuri on Ice
>canon gay
lol

>>3112877
Yeah. Not canon gay because they are just bros being bros and Yuuri definitely straight because he was in love with his childhood friend. Or that Detroit girl or maybe Sara.

Nice try tho.

>>3112888
It's not canon gay and you know it

>>3112890
When Kubo said that they are soulmates and can't live without each other?

Okay.

>>3112891
She also no homos them more than anyone

Muh two clubmembers with rings

>>3112893
And in the next interview she said the rings are engagement rings for marriage couple but also for soulmate.

Or Vol4 BD Commentary when one seiyuu said Victor and Yuri are married she replied them with, "Wedding is still in the future."

>>3112894
>she said the rings are engagement rings for marriage couple
Never said that.

I find it hilarious how you have to lie because even you know it's not canon. Keep trying to convince yourself when even the staff keep no homoing it.

>>3112895
3112895
Just say you want me to spoonfed you.

Febri Vol.40 March 2017 Issue.

What do you mean by the staff keep no homoing it? On Otomedia Otsuka said that coach-skater just outer layer of their relationship and then said, "when you show scenes that leave no room for other interpretations there's a risk of it not sitting well with some people, but Kubo and Yamamoto always plunged forward with no hesitation."

Like I said, nice try.

>>3112899
>otomedia
>proof
Of course they wouldn't straight out deny it in a magazine made specifically for fujoshi. The whole point of otomedia is bait, look at the illustrations they publish.
I'm not denying that the intention is probably for Victor and Yuuri to be gay, but to be honest? Samurai Flamenco seemed that way too.. until it wasn't.
If the higher-ups ever decide that making Victor and Yuuri straight would sell more, it will happen. That's how frail not being "canon confirmed" is. And no matter what loophole of translation you cling to, YoI is still unconfirmed.

>>3112899
They'll keep being ambiguous and beating around the bush to appease both sides.
That's how fujoshit like YOI works.

>>3112895
>when even the staff keep no homoing it.
They are gay as fuck.

That is the selling point of the entire fucking series, you bait the audience into watching by having them guessing when they will see the next step in the relationship, if you give it all to them in a couple of episode in the latter part of the season, there's nothing left to sell, is it?

Nobody would have given two shits about this show if it was a bunch of straight dudes skating around and the creators know it. They saw what the creators of Free! did, why it worked and they applied it here. Nobody gives a shit about swimming or ice skating.

That's just the vehicle.

Of course the staff and writers wont say shit either way, they cant reveal their product when it's in high demand.

The second they see the ratings drop, they will write a episode where everyone involved buttfucks eachother on a giant wedding cake and call it the day. On to the next thing.

Jesus, stop being so dense.

>>3112943
You have absolutely no idea of how fujobait works.

It's not called bait because they will keep giving you more gay, in small doses. It's called bait because it looks gay, it feels gay, but it is NOT gay. It's either left up in the air (like Free) or just flat out denied at some point (like Samurai Flamenco).

It's just a safe form of fanservice, like near porn scenes in ecchi anime; it's not explicit, nobody is getting offended, the money is coming in.

Who cares if Yuri on Ice is canon gay or not, it's shit. You people who care more about canon gay than about the quality of the show itself are the reason we get this fujobait trash.

>>3112943
>Nobody would have given two shits about this show if it was a bunch of straight dudes skating around and the creators know it. They saw what the creators of Free! did, why it worked and they applied it here. Nobody gives a shit about swimming or ice skating.

I can't speak anything of Free! having not seen it and knowing little about swimming, but part of YoI's popularity came from the interest from the professional figure skating community. Professional figure skaters spoke to the legitimacy and care put into the skating aspect of the show.

It is not just the vehicle.

I suggest you listen more than speak, it does everyone better and lowers both ignorance and arrogance, which is arguably the problem with western society.

All the best

>>3112955
okay is free actually good though because i've been meaning to watch it because the guys are hot and i'm okay with fanservice but the story needs to be worthwhile

>>3113012
>but part of YoI's popularity came from the interest from the professional figure skating community

This is straight up delusional.

>>3113015
I liked Free. The story is better than YoI's, at least.

>>3112998
As a faggot, I care, because shit like this is starting to be passed down as representation, when it clearly isn't. So instead of something decent to relate to, we get more and more crap aimed at delusional fangirls, now with the added effect of the rest of the world chanting "faggots ruin everything".

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>>3113012
>but part of YoI's popularity came from the interest from the professional figure skating community.

what, all 50 of them?

come the fuck on man, the profesional figure skating community is tiiiiiiiiiiiiny and you're telling me they are the deciding factor in YOI's success?

next you're going to tell me that navy ship enthusiasts is the reason Kantai Collection got a following.

>>3112998
>You people who care more about canon gay than about the quality of the show itself are the reason we get this fujobait trash
But Japan doesn't care and they're the reason we get this shit, they're the market that matters

>>3112895
>Staff no homo-ing it
The director literally said their relationship is ai.

>>3113199
no, she didn't confirm anything
she keeps talking about "nameless bonds" and nothing else

>>3113200
that's pretty much confirming you faggot. so you mean soulmates and "ai" is just platonic bullshit to you?

>>3113201
yes, dear retard, and to the rest of the world

>>3113275
>the rest of the world
yeah not including professional skaters or normies that aren't bitterfags. btw retard, ai means romantic love, guess you cant argue against that shit.

>>3113280
>ai means romantic love
Not the poster you were talking to, but it doesn't; the word you're looking for is "koi" or "renai". "Ai" is just love: it can mean romantic love, but also all the other kinds of love as well.

>>3113281
>goalposts

>>3113280
https://www.thoughtco.com/japanese-words-for-love-2028042

>(Q) Looking at it now, I think that Michiko and Hatchin’s relationship has some things in common with Victor and Yuuri’s in Yuri on Ice.
>(A) That’s possible. [...] I personally feel that relationships with a name, such as “lovers” and “family”, are oppressive, and I wanted to depict a bond that wasn’t restrained by a name. In this Yuri is the same. Of course if you say that they are “a coach and a student” that’s true, but…
>(A) An irreplaceable bond where both care about each other. The larger concept is very similar, but I was careful about how I portrayed it.

You can hire your own personal hugbox translator, but the fact is that both Kubo and Yamamoto keep choosing vague terms instead of parading Victor and Yuuri as the bastions of TEH GAY!!11 like the fandom believes they are.
And you know why they are so vague? Because it was never meant to be romantic at all. It was just meant to be hardcore fanservice, probably to surpass Free (and borrow their market).
Denying the "romance" would be a financial suicide, but they will also never confirm anything.

tl;dr enjoy being teased until you die

>>3113304
If you knew Sayo's other works you'd know she isn't like that. She doesn't do labels for anyone, and Kubo has said before that she's tired of het romances. So are soulmates just a bond with everything but romantic now? Lol, keep moving those goalposts.

>>3113053
>I liked Free. The story is better than YoI's, at least.
What shit taste. Free was just drama for the sake of drama and even then, boring as fuck. Give me adults doing sport over high school angst any day.

>>3113306
Free's story is not better, but it certainly is better written and presented
YoI was about what exactly? Whole scenes dedicated to fanservice that contributed nothing to the story, a romance that is not romance, dozens of characters with 1 min or less of development, and the actual skating - the part that should matter the most - shoved in the background. Yeah, AotY, every one!

>>3113305
ah, yes, Kubo, the one who said

>Don’t you think that one of the greatest draws about sports anime and manga is that there’s an incredibly deep bond between people who are committed to the same sport? One that’s different from the feelings of romantic love?

You know what is worse? You delusional pieces of shit are making the whole anime community hate on faggots even more now. Not only we will never have anything decent ever, now we have to deal with even more bulshit because of you people.
Fangirls do ruin everything.

>>3113321
And at least Free has great production values too

>>3113330
Oh, you rely on no-homo shit. Kek.
>Right around that time, I heard that some athletes have a mentality that they “skate for the sake of their love.” In this case, it seemed that the “love” they were referring to would probably be a lover, and even if they’re not together, as long as they think about their significant other, they can do their best and would show results because of that. When I realized this, Director Yamamoto and I felt like we were struck by lightning, as we were completely shocked!
>Personally, I have never written such a direct story where love is the thing that drives [the character], if I want to challenge myself and create a story like that, I thought, the best chance would be with this anime. The sport of figure skating itself deals with various themes, as a work of fiction, if combining the theme of sports and love is the right choice, then it is the right choice.
>Yuuri Katsuki does not skate just for his own love, but with Victor in the picture, all of his love is shown with his skating, and because of that, he is able to have a strong resolve to try and get the gold medal. I think that we were able to pinpoint this in the anime.

And people have hated faggots way before anime and still do. Even if it was Barafag shit, everyone would still hate it BECAUSE it's gay. Go watch Moonlight for muh representation.

>>3113336
and you rely on fangirl translators to justify your delusions and shit taste in writing
the mere fact it can be translated in both ways is proof enough that staff doesn't give a fuck about you and your shipping, deal with it
go watch junjou romantica for muh canon homo ships (and stop ruining shows with your bait shit)

>>3113367
>The mere fact it can be translated in both ways
Fagwad, they're all "fangirl translators" just because some try to be ""less biased" doesn't mean they're always correct, this shit has been done since Kawoshin.

>>3113336
>no homo
As if you give a fuck about homos. Yet you are the same pieces of shit who cry "homophobia!! 11" every time your shit ships sink, in a desperate attempt to look less pathetic, but not even SJWs take you seriously.

>>3113380
>>>/lgbt/

>>3113379
sure, the fangirls bending everything out of context to fit their delusions are the right ones
bitches be so desperate

>>3113382
>>>/tumblr

>>3113385
Can you prove they're bending shit out of context? Right you can't, go back to fapping to your Dorito chinned husbandos.

>>3113382
>complains about no homo translation
>calls translator homophobic
>then proceeds to dismiss homos not wanting to be associated with this shit

>>3113389
Yet you all enjoy Freeshit. I'm not taking you fags seriously.

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>>3113387
WTF is dorito chinned? This? You do know this shit (this series in particular is a parody of the whole genre) is tailored for women, right?

>>3113392
It's also Freeshit, which I see lots of faggots enjoy despite it also being "baitshit" a lof of you complain about.

>>3113390
I'm not a huge Free fan, but at least it never wasted an entire episode to show wedding rings that keep getting retconned. Or ended an episode with a "maybe kiss". Or introduced more characters than episodes, just to let them rot in the background.
Also, never claimed (then unclaimed) that the boys were anything but highschool friends. Or that the whole thing was more than just the power of nakama in a sports anime.

>>3113393
Fujobait is a disgrace, but it's everywhere, just like pantie shots and boob jiggles. Now, you can't tell me a series is good when it wastes more time on the fanservice than the fucking plot.
Unless the fanservice IS the plot.

>>3113394
>Claimed (then unclaimed)
>Retconned
This never happened.

>>3113396
First the rings were engagement, then amulets, then a club thing, then I don't even know anymore. What are they today? I can guarantee not the same thing they will be tomorrow.

>>3113398
She never said they weren't engagement rings. Just that it holds more meaning and it's a symbol of their bond. But sure, just read into it with whatever meaning you want.

this thread is so messy . ohmy

I think YOI was so fun at first because we didn't know that they were actually gonna make Yuri and Victor be together. He thought it was just fujobate, but they made it better by being a realistic gay couple.

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