fast food automation

>>8361303
They somehow found that their implementation of self check out is not as cost effective as the traditional method.

>>8361327
>paying someone is better than just having a machine to do it
I don't understand. I mean, either way, you've got a body there, running it. Also to make sure no one steals.
You pay one time for the machine.
You pay every day to keep a body there. You could ideally have less bodies and more machines since a person can run more than one machine at a time...

the article I read was all about how it's good to have human interaction.
if you want human interaction, talk to your neighbor.

>>8361303
Might be they're getting the vibe that we're not socially ready to accept automation yet. Maybe we're not. We're not really ready to face the choice between some kind of basic income vs feudalism either. The tech is coming faster than we have the social ability to process, I guess. Even poor people like having jobs.

>>8361353
>Even poor people like having jobs.
No one is saying they can't have them but themselves. Everyone has the ability to learn. Even older folks can. I used to work with an 80 year old lady at a call center where we did everything on a computer. She was damn good at her job. She learned how to use a computer just fine.

Nothing but excuses from the whiny public that would much rather throw a tantrum in the check out line because it's easy to get what you want if you berate a person instead of using a machine and paying the normal price like everyone else.

>>8361303
>le DONT talk to me before I drink my coffee in the morning meme

Why are you hating on human interactions and customer service you spaghetti spilling mother fucking autist. Self-checks outs are a hassle and you are basically jewing yourself out for nothing

>>8361352
I didn't say it's better. I said it's not as cost effective. Why that is, I don't know exactly, but I'm 99% sure that's the reason. That's what it always is in business.

>>8361368
I speak with people on the phone for a living. I can speak just fine.

But okay, person who fucking still uses jokes from Always Sunny.

>>8361303
>South Korea has stores where you just scan an item with your phone and its yours. Why the fuck can't we have that?
The Amazon grocery stores are testing that tech now. As to Safeway/Albertsons, I'll bet their shrinkage rates (stolen shit) went up. Every self-checkout clerk I've looked at is pretty braindead and probably wouldn't notice I'm walking out with fancy organic produce while paying for the regular stuff.

>>8361365
Yeah, I don't know. I see nothing wrong with having both types of checkouts. I thought the self-checkouts were a nice way to ease us into the future. Maybe it's just a momentary lapse. Maybe it's a marketing strategy to be more quaint. Maybe those particular stores had theft problems and they're just spinning it another way.

>>8361379
>The Amazon grocery stores are testing that tech now
niiiice.

I've seen a lot of past comments about theft in self check outs but, where I live, most people that steal are just straight up running out the door with the goods. I worked in a safeway deli and would watch the asst manage chase after people who booked it across the street in front of traffic, like almost daily. Loss prevention did jack shit too.

That's the thing that sucks about manual labor. It isn't foolproof.
If the thing is on a screen and you can't have it until you pay for it? You can't steal it.

>>8361391
What? You can just ring up everything as bananas if you wanted and the cashier was too busy to pay attention.

Also, they have to hire more staff to just help people with automation. It is pathetic.

While in college I was a barista at a Starbucks in a grocery store. You have NO IDEA how STUPID more than 50% of the populous is. By the end of my time there, I was convinced people couldn't read. Menu right above my head and people ask "what frappacino flavors do you have?" when it is right above my fucking head.

it's crazy easy to steal prime grade, $45/lb dry aged at self checkout

>deli by weight
>cow tongue
>$8

>>8361407
>You have NO IDEA how STUPID more than 50% of the populous is
>populous

Well now I do.

I think the emerging consensus with self checkout is that it works well for stores & locations with lower rates of shoplifting to begin with, but can backfire badly with stores that already had crime problems. Walmart is scaling back self checkout nationwide, while self checkout is nearly must-have in most middle-upscale grocery stores, unless they're super focused on customer service like with Whole Foods or Trader Joe's.

>>8361407
No, I do. Like I said several times now, I used to work in a Safeway deli. I've also worked at the airport and in various call centers. I know how fucking dump people are. I don't care about those people. I want them to get left behind. I want everyone else to move forward.

They don't have to hire more staff, they're just a bunch of dumb old men who don't know how to run a company and think it's important to say things like "hi, how are you today" to every single person.

And no, you can not make your phone scan something differently. You're pretty dumb yourself because you can't even follow the thread to read properly! I'm talking about the stores in South Korea that you literally, CAN NOT steal from!
Btw, they're doing just fine with these stores. There's no way to switch out the bar codes or any other menial ideas you might have about how to steal.

Shut up low life.

>>8361418
what are these upscale stores that are keeping them?
what store isn't focused on the this fucking ancient tradition of "customer service"?

>>8361408
It's pretty easy to steal a bottle of wine too.
>take $20 wine off shelf
>book it out the store
>grab a rotisserie chicken on the way out
>pay exactly zero dollars
>angry man yells at you from across the street
>cars honk
>sit down at park and have a hell of a picnic

>>8361414
Autocorrect you fuck.
>inb4 phone poster
Clover is objectively better in almost every way than desktop chan these days.

Its just easy to steal

>put whey protein in plastic bag
>ring it up as flour
>save tons of money
>impossible to track at the machine

>>8361430
South Korea is a completely different society which is why I glossed over that statement. Any "peaceful" country like Denmark or South Korea or Japan has over 98% homogenous populous, with almost identical values, cultural backgrounds, race, and religion.

Why do you think 10 million people peacefully assembled to protest President Park in Seoul and not a shot was fired, not a business vandalized? That NEVER happens in the USA, ever.

Same with the honor system of self checkouts. Too many take advantage of the system. It is a cultural thing. Also, what podunk town do you live in where some businesses don't have the smartphone credit app scanner on the chip/credit swipe? Fuck, my grandmother lives in the least populated county in Alabama and they have that kind of thing at her local CVS.

>>8361454
Clover as in the POS system?

>>8361464
Portland, OR. Some places have them and some don't. Some places you can pay with your iphone and some you can't.

Also, I'm more focused on the idea, that the products aren't available for people to grab. IE, you HAVE to pay first before you get the product. That's not a system you can take advantage of.

>>8361352
Yeah but that person working is probably getting paid at or near minimum wage. at 8 dollars an hour thats like 70k. There is no way those a decent machine costs any less than 50k. For a bank of 6? 300k in machines vs the old school setup for a fraction of that? Plus insurance and maintenance and paying for technicians to fix them? Like sure walmart can pay for that but albertsons probably cant.

>>8361475
But they had them?
What did they even do with them?

Like I get what you're saying, but at one point, they managed to pay for them.

>>8361468
But when management in America is quite aware you are stealing and alarms go off, all they can do is try to prevent you from leaving the store without touching you. They cannot make physical contact with a customer they suspect is stealing. Cops only.

Also, unless EVERY product is either in a closed cubby (like the Japanese vegetable vending machines in the countryside farmers fill every morning) or has a plastic security node on there, how do you know when someone swipes it? Also, I don't like how I can't examine a box or product for damage before I can reach it (if there is something physically blocking access to it without a smartphone, which is the only viable way I can fathom anti-theft being as full proof as you state. I have family who lives in South Korea and Hong Kong and what they describe is the cubby system and only at select stores)

As others who you haven't responded to stated, there are many ways to cheat self checkout.

>muh Portland has smartphone app payment.
So you didn't read where my grandmother who lives in a town with a population of 28 has a pharmacy that has this option?

And according to Wiki they have a high population of whites and Asians and segregate blacks and Hispanics and natives to the Jefferson and Roosevelt school districts which is 80% non white. Love how "progressive" states are some of the most guilty of gentrification and segregation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland,_Oregon

>>8361487
Theyll sell them probably. I bet those maintenance costs are high enough that it makes sense to just eat the cost of replacing them.

>>8361430
damn dude you get really worked up about people doing something in a way you don't like!

>>8361496
>Also, what podunk town do you live in where some businesses don't have the smartphone credit app scanner on the chip/credit swipe?
It sounded like you made the assumption I am in a small town. I'm not. Even then, not all stores here have that option. And the city is big, but not large.

Yes, Portland is mostly white folks. I'm not one of them! I don't know what to tell you about fucking racism, dude. I usually don't acknowledge it because what is the point when everyone is just an extremist about it?

Cubby system sounds pretty good. It's only in select stores because they're still perfecting it. Also, we haven't moved fast as we could have. I feel like people like you hold us back.

I didn't respond to some comments because they were already telling me what I already know. Yes, I know you can out smart the self check out and steal everything under bananas and flour. WOW. We've literally had several threads about that in the past. Do you even lurk?

I still don't get why we shouldn't progress towards automation? Which is my point. maybe not self check outs if they just aren't working in your opinion and make theft more accessible. Maybe make videos of products that live stream through out the stores, that way you can look at the product, make sure it's in tact, move the camera around it on the screen, make sure the bread isn't bad?

God. Why is it so bad to want the future to happen? Why is society so set on being stuck the way it is.

>automate all the service jobs
>send all the manufacturing jobs overseas

>WHY DONT YOU GET A JOB LAZY BUM.

>>8361496
What the actual fuck are you on about?

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>>8361504
You should see how people react when you don't grab the perfect chicken tender for them.

>>8361510
They're pissed because they like being able to stand in line and throw a fit if they think something costs too much and they want to grope every single produce item in the store to make sure it's of proper quality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrmMk1Myrxc

SOON

>>8361303

jesus christ talk to a therapist if you are this socially anxious. most normal people don't think twice about this kind of stuff. you have to say like 5 words total. who fucking cares.

in the future you'll just mark all the shit you put in your cart and just walk out and it'll charge your card as you go through the doors

I live on the south side of Chicago and the Jewel (they are owned by Albertson's) put in self checkout lanes. They lasted like a month, it was open season on all their merchandise. People were literally just walking out not giving a fuck and the place became so crime ridden they lost most of their paying customers.

I can only imagine how much negotiating they had to do with the union to get those things installed and it wound up being an absolute disaster. That Jewel is still a nightmare shithole but they do good business despite being within shouting distance of much better options.

>>8361508
>God. Why is it so bad to want the future to happen? Why is society so set on being stuck the way it is.

It's not a matter of people not wanting progress, it's a matter of the current state of self check out in one particular chain of stores not giving them the return on investment they expected. That's it. If you really love self check out that much then go to stores that have it, nobody is making you go to Albertsons. Who knows, maybe this will be a huge mistake for them and they put it back again, or go out of business to make way for another chain that uses self check out.

>>8361547
>I live on the south side of Chicago
why?

>need some plexiglass
>go to home depot
>ask if they would cut it for me
>they won't
>there's only one cashier, the rest are self checkout lanes
>go to lowe's that's right behind the home depot
>they cut the plexiglass for me
>no self check out, only cashiers
>same exact price as home depot
fuck penny pinching stores.

>>8361508
>>8361510
What the fuck kind of reading comprehension do you have where you thought I was an old fuck against self checkout? I'm not, not at all. I seem to know more about how they actually function in Asian countries vs OP.

I'm saying the general populous of America has too radically polarizing morality and cultural concepts to make it work in some stores where the average age of the shopper is a Baby Boomer. People 94 years old like my grandmother are willing to learn and work with tech, but a surprising number of their kids aren't.

Or that corporate scum of grocery America is unwilling to pour some money back into their own business to keep up the expense of self checkout. Walmart can't even pay its own full time entry employees enough to keep us taxpayers from having to subsidize their shitty wage with public assistance.

>>8361534
Please. I can go through a checkout line without saying one word and still get the cute cashier's number. I agree though. OP needs to pay somebody to listen to this.

>>8361557
Well I've lived there most of my life for one. Its not that bad really.

>>8361379
>walking out with fancy organic produce while paying for the regular stuff.
>white crime

>>8361570
next you'll tell me englewood is your favorite hang out spot.

>>8361550
It's the one on his way to work. Certain types of people have difficulty making simple changes in their daily routines.

>>8361568

well I was talking to OP, not you.

>>8361575
The wood isn't as bad as it used to be, they even got a Whole Foods. But no, I dont go there. Why would anyone?

They removed them at my albertsons too. Really annoying because now I can feel the pity from people as I buy a bunch of 40s and a microwavable bowl of mac and cheese.

>>8361509
>Eliminate all the unskilled, useless labor jobs just as has always happened through the advent of technology
>Cry because now you have to learn an actual skill to get a good job
You can always be a janitor or trashman, anon.

>>8361593
why would anyone live in the south side? are you black or a student at university of chicago or IIT?

>>8361583
I already stated that this doesn't have to do with anxiety. I work on the phone, SPEAKING WITH PEOPLE CLEARLY AND CONCISELY. Do I need to upload a god damn vocaroo for you fuckheads?

>>8361578
This. I walk everywhere. I could go to the Fred Meyers, but that isn't on my way to work. That would make me late for work. I have a small time frame from my house to my job.

>>8361550
It's a safeway, they're just owned by Albertsons.

>>8361608
>just buy more money and get an education if you want a job

>>8361608
Remember when newspapers were a thing you could actually make a living off delivery? I do. My mom did that shit when I was a kid. I'm not even that old.

But that ain't a thing anymore. Good fucking riddance.

I watch the last season of the Wire and laugh my god damn ass off because it's so fucking dated.

Time moves things along. Get into it or get left behind, I say.

>>8361303
Full automation is on the works and coming soon.

>MUH JOBS

Yeah, now these stupid shit people can just get OTHER JOBS that will serve a better purposes than putting food in bags (something the customer should have been doing all along, and I do every time anyway as a customer at a grocery store).

>>8361696
Same. I just repack everything after the cashier does it. Or I got to Winco where I'm gonna bag it myself because they know that customers are capable.

>>8361696
Did you know brain and heart surgeons are equally replaceable by automation and robots as a grocery cashier/bagger?

>>8361464
>why multiculturalism doesn't work- explained on a cooking image board

>>8361708
They should get on that, then. Instead of paying asshole millions of dollars to do it. I used to work for a company that did medical non-emergency transportation for those whose health care covered it.
People were fucking competing to get dr appts that were necessary. If they couldn't get to their appt for whatever reason, I'd have to hear someone's sob story about how they had to wait a month to get the same appt.

meanwhile their doctor has two fucking condos and god knows how many cars and they go on fucking vacation as much as they want.

Replace those fuckers with a machine. Please.

>>8361303
>south korea has self scan automation but US is removing them

Big fucking surprise. How newfag are you? People on /ck/ brag about the fact they rip the grocer self check all the time. In Japan and South Korea, they don't do that. You can leave your handbag on a park bench in Japan for hours, and the only possibility of it being stolen is some gaijin.

You want to know what's rotten about 'murrica? It ain't illegal aliens.

>>8361719
So much are checkups and diagnosing a good computer can cut down on time and help on prevention.

I like self check-out. but the local variant of Albertson's did away with it in my area years ago. Now, only ONE supermarket in my area has it. Even other locations of that same chain don't have it anymore. Just the one. It's sad.

The only reason I dislike the old way is because the lines... go... so... fuckin'... slowly. Why not do it as it's done at the bank? You know: one queue. When you get to the front, you move down to the next available cashier. It'd go a helluva lot faster, I'd bet.

>>8361379
>>8361391
There's a store in China (Shanghai, I think) using facial recognition technology. To shop there, you need to join a club, like a Costco or something. When you join, they scan your face and, I think, retinas (IINM).
Then, you walk in. Fill your trolley. Go to the till. Have the till-worker handle your items. A machine scans your face and charges your club account. And you leave. Quick. No need to fumble with cash or cards.

Still, I have a pretty good idea for automated check out: no till at all.
The cart/trolley would have a built in credit card chip reader. To get the cart from the corral, you insert your credit card and it gets released. You walk around the store, grabbing this and that. If you want something, you scan it at the cart with its built in scanner and drop it in. It will detect the weight of the item you're attempting to buy to see if its weight matches that of the product description, similar to how regular self-checkout tills work.
When you leave the store, the credit card is charged. You take your items to your car. Return the cart to the corral and your card is returned to you.
No fuss. No muss.
I think that'd be nice.

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>>8361464
>Any "peaceful" country like Denmark or South Korea or Japan has over 98% homogenous populace, with almost identical values, cultural backgrounds, race and religion.

Canada?

>>8361719
But weren't you the one just going on about how these baggers should put effort into getting a "skilled" job? Unless I confused you with another poster. By every definition the skill you're mentioning is a surgeon.

Or are you of the philosophy that humanity shouldn't find all their self worth in what they do for intangible money? There is no gold standard to back currency, it is invisible worth. We need to be talking about this sooner than later as tech advances in leaps and bounds, like human mechanical augmentation. My sister is already a "cyborg" with a brain implant for epilepsy, it's happening faster than we know

>>8361741
>China
>Government or private huge corporations having your individual facial features to give you permission to purchase items
>this is a good thing.

I wouldn't feel comfortable shopping like that, especially in Shanghai. Phones pushing fingerprints as the only method to access a smartphone without context of how this information is stored or spread is enough to make you hesitate already. Remember that Apple and NSA were really cushy with private user info in 2014?

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>>8361656
Yes please. I'd like you to read the Navy Seal copypasta. Right now you sound angry enough to give a really good rendition.

>>8361458
And yet most stores now have the self-checkouts because money saved in labor completely offset the increased shrinkage.
You go from having to pay 6 cashiers to having to pay 1 person to manage 6-12 self-checkouts.

>>8361758
I think you may have confused me for another poster... but still. A skilled job could be anything. In this case, it sounds like someone putting together the kind of machine that could preform open heart surgery. A machine could be more precise. Surgeons are expected to have steady hands. My friend who was going to school to study to be a surgeon told me he didn't have steady hands. I was like, man, what? That guy is in the wrong field. Yet, as long has he gets his stupid degree, he can make millions. That's annoying as shit.

I'm all for human mechanical augmentation. I want it. Make me a fucking computer already.
And I'm glad people like your sister have hope with advances like that. Did that brain implant help her?

>>8361352
>make sure no one steals
hahaha that never happens anon. I am honest but many people are not and the stores can lose a lot of money that way. plus most stores to peddle customer service as number 1, so its no surprise they want the things to go away.

>>8361773
This is something you should read, it's actually pretty interesting
http://www.computerworld.com/article/2494214/retail-it/walmart--jobs-and-the-rise-of-self-service-checkout-tech.html?page=2
>>8361780
I thought you were >>8361696

If so, maybe I misinterpreted the post.

Thanks for asking. She has had a dozen or so seizures over the past 5 years while her neurologist "calibrated" it to a good frequency. Actually she's not had a seizure since March of this year, longest she's gone in quite some time.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagus_nerve_stimulation

But relating to OP, I just feel like the majority of America (which doesn't include you or me) isn't ready or would take advantage of exclusively self checkout. I'm all for automation too, but see why businesses opt out of it and why 2016 is a trying year for using them.

>>8361773
Hence why I refuse to use them since I don't get any kind of discount for using them and have to do extra work so that they can save 5 yearly salaries that they just pocket

>>8361814
glad your sister is doing better!

I agree with you that most America isn't ready. But I hate most of America for this very reason.

>Lots of customers talked about the self-service checkout lanes, wrote Albertsons in 2011, "but mostly" it was about how the checkout lanes "'take jobs away from people.'" Some also complained that it lessened the customer experience.
Signed people that have never worked in face to face customer service.

I would love to know how many people on their facebook page actually had those kinds of jobs at some point in their life and how much they actually enjoyed dealing with some asshat that doesn't want to pay full price for their frozen pizza and doesn't understand why their coupon doesn't work because they were too stupid to read the fine print. Fuck those people.

There is no customer service experience that they are painting the picture of. That is what pisses me off the most. Sure, there are customers who don't say anything or are nothing but nice. But they rarely make up for the ones who throw food at you or scream and throw literal tantrums in front of you. And that wasn't just stuff that happened to me. It happened to my coworkers too.

>>8361840
Typical customer, always looking for a god damn hand out.

>he thinks self checkout lines were ever a good idea
>makes angry little entitled rant about talking to people as if you have to sit there and actually talk to cashiers

>>8361858

>There are corporations who actually believe this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxINJzqzn4w

>>8361863
I mean, I guess I could just be a rude, cold asshole and not say anything.

it's only when I go to work. Any other time and I'm not gonna do my grocery shopping there.
I've made fast food automation threads in the past but this did happen recently and yes, I use the self checkout because I want to have my headphones on so I can listen to my shows. I don't want to pause my show because I need to hear when to scan my fucking club card or to tell the cashier, yeah, you can leave out my drink.

>>8361886
I love me some Billy Burr. I do.

But that call center thing is all wrong. I never ever wanted anyone to curse at me. When they did I was like oh shit, because I never wanted to end the call, I wanted to get them to confirm stuff.

Not to pick apart a fucking stand up comedy bit, but he only knows one side of that situation.
I had several people cold transferred to me on a daily basis even though it was company policy NOT to cold transfer people and I would have to do exactly what he said and that shit was irritating to me. Especially when I didn't have an answer for the person and the reason they got transferred in the first place is because some fuckhead in another state, didn't have answer to the persons question!
Fucking absolute madness.

One time a lady got transferred to me and it was about insurance. I didn't do that. That wasn't my job and I couldn't really give her more information about what happened other than "well, looks like that wasn't covered by your insurance??"
but I made sure to get her contact number incase she magically got transferred again, I put her on hold, I fucking begged my supervisor to tell me what the fuck was going on and how to help her and of course, he did the typical bullshit sup thing to do, and then I had to send an email about what she was telling me on the phone. She also told me I managed to help her more than anyone else had.

I fucking ALWAYS got a contact number. Always. Shows you fucking give a damn.

>>8361896
>rambling idiot continues to attention whore and ramble on about his meaningless life as if anyone gives a fuck

>>8362122
>WAAAAH BLOG POSTING WAAAH
you sound like you belong on /cgl/

I am willing to pay more and go to king kullen because they have better self checkout machines than stop and shop

I want as little interaction with service people as possible

>>8361303
Autism

>>8361379
>get your phone stolen
>???
>suicide

>>8361303
>Not to be all *current year* but for fuck's sake, it's almost 2017,
fuck off, cancer.

>>8361303
>South Korea has stores where you just scan an item with your phone and its yours. Why the fuck can't we have that?
because in western, developped countries, it would take 3 days for someone to copy/crack the app and get everything for free because the store has nobody paid to check anything and the false bank account can be made to look like one of the legal small percent bugs in the system.

>>8361665
You could enact a degree of responsibility. You can leave a little earlier, or perhaps stock up on the necessary product so you do not have to go there daily.

It is OK to acknowledge you do not want to change your routine, little autistic one. But that will not fix anything.

>>8361303
>World goes into automation
>Cashiers get hours cut and are relegated into more menial work
>Technology keeps improving until there are few complaints
>Suddenly a store comes up with an amazing idea
>We here at x value our costumers too much to let a machine handle their needs
>So we are replacing all machines for traditional human employees
>Every stores copies them
>The wheels of capitalism keep turning

It feels good that my profession only has a 30% chance of being automated in the future

>systems administrator

>>8361608
Enjoy my lazy parientes chicanos and negros stealing and mugging people on the street because no job

>>8361454
Go away.

>>8362978
hope you like roopies and sitting streets cause all "admin" jobs are relocated in India these days. They can do your job from afar no problem.

>>8363193
Nope they tried it at my company, failed miserably.

>mfw team of Indians couldn't do the job of one lazy American

>>8363200
But then again, I don't have fake education credentials and certs like our friends in India have, mine are actually real :)

>>8361377
>person who fucking still uses jokes from Always Sunny

wtf are you talking about

>>8361352
Costing in businesses is a lot more complex than you realise. Those machines likely aren't purchased, more than likely will be on a hire purchase basis, then there is service contracts, relevant insurance, repair callouts, huge amounts of training, technology integration efforts - the list goes on.

for me it's the McChicken. The best fast food sandwich.

>>8361608

>zero knowledge of economics: the post

>>8363261
prove him wrong. Good luck without namedroping your mom and other irrelevant personal experience.

>>8363211
He's an imbecile that think his life = the world, just like medicated autists and toddlers do.

>>8361896

>OH NO, I HAVE TO TALK TO PEOPLE. THE MOST BASIC ASPECT OF CIVILIZED LIFE?!?! WHATEVER SHOULD I DO. NOOOOO.

You wouldn't survive a second during a time of need.

>>8363270

The unskilled jobs market was the largest its ever been during the 50/60s. Automation has never occured in history. Technology has always created more jobs, not replaced them. Automation is a rather new phenomenon that threatens the very fabric of capitalism, anon. No society has existed the fostered only service/post-industrial jobs. Actually, it's impossible for the world economy, because of class inequality. Not a capitalist one at least. Automation also not only threatens menial labor, but almost all, but recreative/abstract labor.

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>>8363211
>not knowing the origin of a meme

>>8362964
I just switched jobs, so now I don't have the issue anymore.
Still in favor of automation though.

>>8363294
automation may be new, at least at this scale, but technology has brought a shift between economic sectors.
In that sense, useless labor did go away.
And we do need to get people away from unskilled menial labor since that is a thing of the past whether we want it or not. With the exception of care jobs maybe.

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>>8363294
>"China is taking a different approach when it >comes to how to deal with the mismatch >between high-cost employees and low-cost >manufacturing. Specifically, China is not getting >rid of the work (or not all of it). It is just getting rid >of the workers."

Parker and Moel point to this chart highlighting China's huge spending on robotics — around $3 billion annually:

>>8361741
...And what methods would be taken to ensure the card readers on the carts are not tampered with? Seems like an easy way to get your credit card information stolen, honestly.

>>8361303
>Nope. Nah. Albertson's just wants to ensure that, I the customer HAS to interact with a cashier. I wake up at fucking 6am and walk to the store. The last thing I want to do is fucking speak with someone until I get to work where I will be paid to.
>Fucking MUH CUSTOMER SERVICE.
They are probably actually trying to get some good press about how they care about muh jobs and that they will never replace precious humans with machines while McDonald's and Trump and shit take flak for it.

And at the same time, they remove self-checkout lines because Mexicans just use them to steal food while pretending to check out.

>>8361352
>Also to make sure no one steals.
The self-checkout machines can't stop you from stealing.

They check that you don't scan something cheap and then put in something expensive in the self-bagging area but if you just skip the self-bagging area, nothing is stopping you from walking out the door other than getting caught by the rent-a-cop who couldn't be assed to pay attention to anything.

>>8363334
No clue. Someone else can come up with the security measures necessary.

>>8361765
I didn't say China's thing was good. Just that it exists. My idea's good, though. Or, at least, I think it might be once someone figures out what security it would need.

>>8363893
They really should have a layer of abstraction there. Amazon Go generates a one-time QR code to let you into the store every time. Amazon then charges your credit card associated with your Amazon account and thus no credit information is exchanged while inside the store.

I actually prefer not to use self checkouts
I can just put all my stuff on the belt, the person scans them for me, the only two words I have to say are hi and an optional thanks when they hand me my change

>have moderate social anxiety, not as bad as it used to be and not as bad as a lot of the autists here
>still results in sweating in public
>never used a self service checkout even though it would seem perfect for me because i'm worried about fucking up and not using it properly even though there is a person there at all times to help you
>actually that makes it worse
also the main reason probably, which i realized with age, is that i actually hate change.

>>8361568
>Please. I can go through a checkout line without saying one word and still get the cute cashier's number.
I call bullshit.
Almost no girl is going to give their number to some unknown guy who rarely/never uses normal person to person check out.
It takes at least 2-4 times for them to even remember you and after that, well, even handsome men such as myself with a mouthful of marbles who can spill their spaghetti, can get their number.

Last cutie cashier who was super flirty with me turned out to be an actual grown woman with a six year old living with her dad.
Grocery store closed down about few months after learning that.

Automation is shit; cutie girls forever.

>>8361712

underrated post

>>8361756
Fuck off leaf

>>8363199
Yeah, all large businesses always make the most smart efficient economical choices which is why none of them EVER fail! :^)

>>8361368
Going through the hassle of a check out line to buy 3 or 4 items is shitty tho

>>8366852
Honestly, I think self-checkouts are a bigger hassle than cashiers.

So if there's a line open and I have enough to skirt under the express limit, I'll just take a human cashier and breeze on through because they'll scan and bag my shit for me.

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>>8361303
I'd be upset by the article if it weren't for the fact that the Albertsons and Vons in Bakersfield already don't have them.

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>>8361327
Americans are way too dumb to use those things.

Too many niggers. Here it's way faster because only young people use them. Old fuck who "didn't received a proper training" and low IQ niggers need a human to scan items for them.

They should pay extra money for this service. Like 10% more if you need a human slave to assist you.

>>8361303
I only use self check even with a full cart because I cannot stand to have a cashier put her filthy hands on my food, whether it's in a package or not. That's just disgusting.

>>8366857
So by breeze by you mean get stuck behind 3 single mothers with 40 items of junk food in the 10 item or under lane whose screaming quadroon shame children get louder and louder the longer it takes their welfare cards to fail to process?

I prefer the robot.

>>8366877
>>>/b/

>>8366901
Yeah, no. That's a very specific situation and not actually the general case. Of course I won't bother with a human lane if it's going to take longer and I have to stand behind moms, old Jews still writing cheques, and couponers, I'm going to go for the self-checkout.

But if I have a choice between the two, I'm going to pick the cashier because it's less personal effort for a dozen or less items.

>>8361303
Fuck, you mean I have to stop printing out barcodes for packs of chewing gum on address labels and covering the real barcodes? Fuck goodbye $9.00 for six bags of groceries...

literally every single time I go to a store with self checkout lanes they are not working anyway and there's only 3 registers open even though the store has like 15
every time

I think its just intentional

>>8361303
It's their PR-spun way of saying certain populations can't be trusted to check out their groceries unsupervised, OP.

>>8361454
>objectively better
>>>>/v/

>>8361327
Maintenance costs, loss prevention and people being too stupid to use them efficiently would be my guess.

>>8361475
8$ an hour is 16k......70k is around 34-35$ an hour

>>8361435
Stores that don't serve people wealthy or pretentious enough to require that level of service and that that don't have to serve dindus

>>8361303
Kill yourself, yuppie

I love the self checkouts at my local grocer because they're much more convenient and I save a ton of money.

>Oh those Honeycrisp apples for $4.00 a pound? Nah, those are totally just Red Delicious so I'll ring them up as that for $1.00 a pound.

Repeat with anything you need to enter what the item is.

>>8361407
>"what frappacino flavors do you have?" when it is right above my fucking head.
they're trying to ask you if that's all the flavors you guys have, numbnuts

>>8369420

Why would they have shit they don't put on the menu? That's stupid and you're stupid if you ask.

>>8369420
Yes, we already established that they're idiots.

>>8369420
Ah, you're one of those fucks who orders a butterbeer frap and then complains when the barista doesn't know it, asks for extra extra caramel drizzle all over the inside of the cup, and then pays for this $7 venti monstrosity with your food stamps.

At least, that is how the ones who couldn't read the menu acted.

Safeway by me got rid of them 3 months ago lines have never been bugger it's horrible

>>8361303
>Why the fuck can't we have that?
non-whites

>>8361379
i work at a safeway/albertson's affliated store, can confirm that we got rid of our self-checkouts bc shrink was absolutely fucking awful
the lines are a lot longer and everyone, customers AND employees, are miserable

>>8371098
>shrink
?

>>8371118
When product leaves a story without being purchased

>>8367402
yep, right on the money

>>8371118
In other words the smarm fucks who were hosting threads about ringing up bulk and produce cheaper than actually priced or stealing products thinking they were being so smart by jewing the system.

Glad to see it come home to roost. We need physical people in customer service because customers at large cannot be trusted to do the right thing and know what they're doing.

>>8371161
What we need is to be able to fuck up shoplifters.
>Remember the day I tackled a crackhead into a curb.
Felt good.

>>8361303
>self check out
>automation
name ONE thing that self-checkout automates. I'll wait.

man i went to mcdonalds and the fucking self order screen thing is slow as fuck and you sit there for 10 minutes adding and removing shit from your fucking burger i'd rather talk to the cashier

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>>8361303
Whatever bullshit "customer service" thing they're trying to push is a lie, the only reason they got rid of them because they're not profitable, reason being is that it's extremely easy to get away with stealing at self-checkout.
The customer service thing is just them pandering to the luddite crowd who bitch about them non-stop.

>>8361303
How do you economy? How do you revolution? How do you college? How do you parent? Whatever.

I'm not even an aspie, but I'll go to the self checkout 100% of the time.

>>8361303
They're really easy to steal from as well.

Walmart is starting to enforce self checkout again. In the future the whole thing will be self checkout besides a couple of registers (tobacco product sales). "Self checkout is the future"

>>8361756
Fucking leaf

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>>8361303
Could it be that local spic populations use them to steal?

>>8363011
> implying they have jobs now, let alone 20 years from now

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>>8361303
desu probably too many niggers grabbing $50 hams and just bolting

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>>8361756
Nice try Jujar Chang

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>>8361702
based winco not touching my bags and having a 16 year old pack shit incorrectly

>>8363311
stop "reverse trolling"

people will believe you