Whisky

Fuck off weeaboo

>>7244203
I'm not a big fan, but on The Sopranos they drink Wild Turkey so I do that

>>7244210
do you drink that side a side of GABAGOOL

I've never had whisky. Should I try it?

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>>7244203
Yamazaki > Hakushu > Most Scots right now, but pic related is my personal favourite.

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recently fell in love with Calumet farms bourbon pretty sure its wheated cause real smooth. scotch comes off too briny to me. I do love jameson especially the 12 bourbon aged extra sherry finished a few months ago I pickedup a bottle for $52.99 when its over 70 otherwise must not have marked it up since previous owners. would like to try whiskys from around the world n more bourbons. just broke n on a break

I like a Jack Daniels and Coke. There's just something about that combo that taste great and also gets you a buzz.

Whatever is cheap and doesn't taste like ass
It all has the same effect

Also OP fuck off weeb

>>7244241
sometimes, actually. the sopranos is great.

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>tfw you can only afford cheap shit like canadian mist/black velvet

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>>7244248
I like Nikka Yoichi the best, there is a reason they beat all other whisky especially the obsolete piss from Scotland.

Japan has basically surpassed Europe in whisky and knives and every other thing on earth. I look forward to the day soon when Europe is overrun by the Islamic hordes, 'murrica has driven itself into the ground by electing Trump, and then Japan will be a shining beacon of civilization

Sorry white people, your time is over and it's time you rolled over and took it like a bitch. It is the Asian 21st century.

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Anyone /fortycreek/ here?

>>7244210
Tony also drinks Glenfiddich.

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Finishing off this bottle of Bunnahabhain 12 right now. Considering what I'll pick up this weekend to replace it.

>>7244421
i got 40 creek, glenfiddich, glenlivet, jim beam .. i think that's it right now

been looking for japanese but can't find

there's a weird indian one though might buy it when my cheque comes

Yo OP, that shit is so fucking good. I finished a bottle of it last Halloween.

Probably my favorite whiskey I've had.

>>7244203
I feel like this price tag is missing a decimal point.

>>7244376
How good is Nikka whiskey or Japanese whiskey in general?

I go for sherried whiskeys and non-peated for Scotches. Would Japanese whiskeys be something I'd like or is it full meme?

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Boyfriend drinks this.

He enjoys it neat. Was looking for something similar to gift him (instead of just giving him this all the time), anyone have suggestions?

>>7244516
Whiskey was introduced to Japan by Scottish distillers, so you'd probably dig it.

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>>7244525
Laphroaig 18 year old. Will admittedly probably run you more than Lagavulin 16 though.

>>7244574
shit taste like a bad ash tray.

>>7244596
So you're saying its good for washing the taste of your mom's cunt out of my mouth then?

>>7244574
get out of here kiddo88

>>7244601
naw are you upset about your shitty taste in scotch? because you piss money away on something because you think price = quality...

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Weebness aside. Japanese whiskey is fucking delicious. It was the first whiskey I ever enjoyed and let me get into other whiskeys.

Im moving back to Canada soon. Hows the Crown Royal Northern Harvest? Wanna give it a try.

>>7244615
>s-stop liking what I don't like
>you j-just like it because of the price

Surely if I was just interested in price I would have recommended Octomore. Or even a fucking Port Ellen bottling.

>>7244628
>Hows the Crown Royal Northern Harvest?
Pretty good, wouldn't call it world's best, though.

>>7244633
>Surely
Surely you're a fag
>Surely
also if youre trying to make it sound like I am insecure why would I stutter on the j in just. wouldn't I be more confident in what I am saying because its backed by fact?
Also I never said stop liking what I dont like, what I said was that piss poor excuse for a scotch taste like an ash tray, something you haven't disputed. If you cant back your opinion without having to turn to insults alone then it proves you dont know what youre talking about and dont really have an argument.
also, naming another more expensive scotch doesn't prove anything, its clear that this 70 dollar bottle is what you think is the best at your maximum price range.

>>7244730
Get mad nigger, your personal shitty taste is not a fact.

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>>7244516
My experience is limited to Hakushu and Hibiki but none of what I have has been bad. If you can find a place like the Whiskey Library in Portland get yourself a taste. (Pic of said bar)

>>7244730
Why are you so mad?

>>7244516
There is no "in general", there's high end and low end

Low end is way overpriced because poorfags have learned about japanese whisky

High end is great but it's not going to please the MUH LAFROOG neckbeards who just learned how to choke down alcohol last Tuesday, because it actually has nuances other than iodine and filling literally the entire room with the smell of smoke. Obviously, you can burn random objects while you drink, if you require that campfire experience to remind you you're a real grownup

If you want easy drinking on the cheap, stick with scotland

>>7244787
>that fat bartender trying to look put together
Honestly if you're going to try to rock the vest and no jacket look you better have your shit together otherwise you look like an idiot

Fat fucks need to learn to control their "genetics" better

I'd really like some Japanese whisky, not because I want to drink it but just because I like the idea of it

>>7244203
>89.99
Where do you live? That stuff was around 50 or 60 last time I checked

>>7245495
Prices for weeb whisky went up in the last year or two

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>>7244203

>>7245783
Damn. They must have started selling really well. Last time I bought it was like 3 years ago and it was just starting to pick up with the mainstream crowd, not just the hardcore whisky drinkers anymore.

>>7245493
you're dangerously close to being a weeaboo

bains Single grain

>>7245495
OP here. Bay Area. Supply and demand is a bitch. I checked every BevMo in the area and none had it. Spotted it at a little shit hole liquor store that had a mad selection of craft brew and high end booze. They had a bottle of Pappy there.

I love Islay, Orkney, and Skye whisky. Thankfully living in Scotland it isn't too expensive.

My current favourite is Lagavulin 16 as it is easily available and pretty cheap in the grand scheme of things (£35), but Jura Prophecy and Highland Park are extremely nice too.

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>>7244525
i love lagavulin scotch when i'm not drinking bourbon

costco had a sale for these only costing $50 a piece, bought 3 bottles

they're parks-and-recreation-tier though

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>Japanese whiskey
They are making some good shit. Kinda pricey but good nonetheless.
Ive had Yamazaki, some Hibiki stuff of which I really enjoyed the Harmony blend. There is some rather unknown shit called Iwai. they have a 4 and an 8 year. They have another one aged in bourbon barrels and it's fucking saintly.

>>7245490
Hey look a /fa/g

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>>7244210
Great poured over a couple ice cubes. I think it's a bargain at 20 bucks a bottle.

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Tonight's selection, Glenlivet Nadurra. Forgot to wash my glencairn glasses so I'm stuck with a tumbler again, I need to get my shit together.

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Black Velvet, neat, or with ice, or with water and ice, iced black tea or with diet cola.

>>7244574
Peated master race

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Rye was either the second or third liquor that gave me a nice blackout-vomit experience when I first turned 21. So when I bought a bottle of Bulleit rye I expected to just use it for Manhattans and nothing else.

>that light, gentle sweetness
>that fresh minty burn in the aftertaste
>mfw i realize what i was missing out on all this time by trying to avoid rye

>>7244525
Ardbeg 10. Less expensive, more quality. (non-chill-filtered, no coloring)

Also,
>boyfriend
>>>/lgbt/

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Bought these two malts for dirt cheap, hooray for post-holiday sales.

Only found three kinds of Japanese whiskey where I'm from:

Hibiki Harmony no year
Nikka Takesomething no year
Nikka Coffee Grain no year

Any of them any good since they all cost over 70 bucks?

Starward Australian whisky

>>7251153
>Coffee
Coffey

>>7244248
Lovely, Ive yet to have an 18 y.o Talisker but 10 is one of my favourites.

>>7244574
Great stuff- took me a few tastings to enjoy but it was great.

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American whisky > Irish whisky

>>7251190
I feel like Irish whiskey would benefit from having a more diverse range of distillers...there are only 7 active distilleries on the whole island. And 3 of those don't have whiskey on the market yet. There are iirc four brands of single pot still Irish whiskey on the market, and ALL of them are made by the same company. Compare this to the US or Scotland which both have around a hundred active distilleries.

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>current year
>not going full hobo

>>7251688
Actually pretty good for an inexpensive bourbon

>>7247065
>parks-and-recreation-tier though
What the fuck does this gibberish even mean? I used to be annoyed with my grandfather for not keeping up with contemporary slang, but nowadays god damn why do you little shits have to change shit up every two months?

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Wild turkey 101 has been my go to drink as of lately. I love that shit, especially with ginger ale

Defintley going to try a japanese whiskey now after this thread has inspired me to do so. What should I expect to pay for a decent one?

>>7251153
Anybody with Japanese whiskey experience on these blends?

>>7252005
In the show, Parks and Recreation, the now "reddit/meme" character, Ron Swanson (super manly man who loves bacon, woodwork, whiskey and hunting) name-drops Lagavulin a few times in the show.

>>7244628
Forty Creeks specials are superior

>trying to get into Japanese whiskey
>find out the best of them, Hibiki 12, is discontinued because of restructuring
What the fuck, Japan?

>>7244787
This gives me Earthquake anxiety.

>>7252058
Suntory and Nikka literally ran out of whiskey to sell in the proper amounts to recreate the blends because of extreme demand for their products. The shit you see there right now are probably subpar to the age-statement whiskeys that come from Japan.

>>7252093
So if I can't find any more Hibiki 12s, 17s, 21s, I should just go and buy the Harmony or the Nikka Coffey Grain or the Nikka Pure Malt?

>>7251153
Japanese whiskey connoisseurs, no answer or rankings for them?

Right now, what I'm getting is:

Nikka Coffey > Nikka > Hibiki

But I don't like peat in scotch and is why I'm still thinking about the Hibiki, because I might not like the Nikkas.

>>7252180

Scotsman here, used to work in a luxury whisky bar, did whisky tasting events etc.

best nipponese whiskey i ever tried was Nikka From The Barrel, their cask strength.

50.1% abv, deep amber colour, slightly caramel/fruity taste with notes of cinnamon and a mild oakey character.

very pleased with the calibre of most japanese whiskies, but then again they hired hundreds of scottish distillery workers in the 60's and 70's to learn from the best

AMA

>>7254089
Looks like Nikka cask strength is good. Bad thing seems to be it costs over a 100 bucks. How about the three other Japanese whiskeys I asked about? Are they any good for beginners to Japanese whiskey? Which one is better?

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I love scapa 16yr.

>>7254216
Nikka pure malt and harmony would be best for a beginner.

Coffey is a grain whiskey and is a little harsher than a malt, more burn to the taste. grain whisky is more of an acquired taste in my experience

nikka from the barrel is worth the cost, because you'll typically be adding a little bit of water to take it down to ~40%, and this will pad out the bottle a bit longer

>>7254253
Thanks. But you have no opinion on the Hibiki Harmony?

>>7254258
A fuck, yea, good for a beginner. Didn't read carefully. I have always been interested in how the plum casks make a difference for the Hibiki whiskeys.

No one likes Glen Goyne?

>>7254285
Glengoyne distillery is 3 miles from my hometown, been on the tour a few times.

18 yo is best one

>>7244275
Don't talk shit about Black Velvet, even if it is cheap it is still good.

>>7254322
Got a bottle of Glen Goyne 21 year for christmas. Probably the best whisky I have drank

>>7252093
>Suntory and Nikka literally ran out of whiskey to sell in the proper amounts to recreate the blends because of extreme demand for their products. The shit you see there right now are probably subpar to the age-statement whiskeys that come from Japan.
WHY the fuck did they have to do this? They could have just kept on producing the same way they've done for 100 years, and just raised the prices instead to keep the quality the same. Lowering the quality just to sell to everybody is very bad for marketing purposes.

>>7244203
>Japanese whiskey with age statement
I will probably never find and be able to buy bottles of these ever.

>>7254535
Probably because the demand came out of nowhere. One minute it was weeb shit that Real Men didn't care about, then all of a sudden it was meming harder than Sriracha-braised cronuts.

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This is on par if not better than Sulivans Cove French cask

>>7255345
>australian and french whiskeys
What makes them different from other whiskeys?

>>7255969
Sullivan's cove is also Aussie, its double cask is matured in French oak port and USA bourbon barrels/cask,
A separate product
Sullivan's Cove French Cask won the 2014 worlds best whiskey, the 1st time a non Scottish or Japanese whiskey has won the prestigious prize, Nant is also a world class Tasmanian whiskey without the price tag

>>7255345
I'm from Tasmania and I think Tassie whisky is world class but God damn, its way over priced.

>>7244376
>Sorry white people, your time is over and it's time you rolled over and took it like a bitch

Japan is set to lose 25% of its japanese population by 2025 due to lack of children.

Jap whiskeys are merely immaculate simulacra and imitations of whiskey. They lack any real character.

>>7254076
>But I don't like peat in scotch

what the fuck are you doing drinking whiskey

move onto rum, fucking weeaboo cuck cocksucker

>>7256710
There are scotch that don't have that much peat, you know that right?

>>7256710
>don't have that much peat
they all have peat flavors.

>you know that right
yes. see above.
You don't know that ALL scotches have peat flavors?

you specifically said
>>But I don't like peat in scotch

all scotch tastes like peat.
why the fuck are you drinking scotch if you dont like that
why the fuck are you using it for a comparison to japanese whiskeys?

are you brain damaged somehow?
seriously, you aren't making any sense.

>>7256720
directed to
>>7256717

>>7256700

Losing populations is literally not a problem for a first world country that is willing to adapt to it (i.e. automisation and strict immigration control).

It certainly is better than getting your population replaced by third worlders.

>>7256720
Having peat, not much peat. There's a difference to the amount of peats each scotch has. And I dislike peat, which is why I like Irish whiskey more. The thing is, Japanese whiskey is styled from Scotch, but apparently different enough that the peat isn't as strong, like other whiskeys.

This is a fucking whiskey thread, not a scotch thread, you fucktard.

Stop being a fucking retard.

>>7256700
>Japan is set to lose 25% of its japanese population by 2025 due to lack of children.
>you find out Japan is the size of California with three times the population
>you find out Japanese live in far less than ten percent of the landmass and they have even far less natural resources than California
>thinking them correcting their numbers isn't a good thing

>>7256724
You are an idiot.

At their current rate of reproduction, they will become extinct within the next hundred years.

Its amazing how fucking morons like you can't understand that every male and female must produce two offspring inorder for a population to SUSTAIN itself. they need to produce 3 to GROW it. if they produce only 1, they will HALF it.

I have only gotten to hard spirits the last quarter of 2015. I feel kinda bad that I will probably never be able to taste an age-statement Japanese whisky.

>>7256732
There is something wrong with you.
You're brain is fucked up. Your thought processes are not logical or rational.

Japanese whiskeys taste like peat also.
As you say, they are styled off of Scotch, and made from much the same ingredients in much the same way.

So no, Japanese whiskey is not for you.
Now leave.

>>7256739
depopulation is not a good thing.

its basically the same as if 25% of the population was wiped out by plague or murder.

any population that is not growing, is dying.
this is a simple fact of life.

>>7256741
>wanting to grow the population
>in an overpopulated island where manufacturing jobs are done by robots
When the population drops low enough, there will be a lot of property freed up in Japan. People will start to breed again. This has been the case with every single demographic correction that has occurred in human history. This isn't some kind of straight line. Everyone thought back in the 1960s that population in the developed world would keep on doubling, allowing welfare states to support the previous generation. It's these kind of generalizations that "oh they'll be extinct in a 100 years so let me fuck your women and allow me to immigrate to your country" mindset that's pretty ignorant.

So weeaboos have destroyed the Japanese whiskey market.

Fucking hilarious.

>>7256756
>depopulation is not a good thing.
>its basically the same as if 25% of the population was wiped out by plague or murder.
Do you know that Italy was overpopulated before the Black Death occurred? Do you know that the massive depopulation allowed people to actually own land and start larger families again? The demise of cheap labor forced many Italians and other Europeans to innovate, creating machines such as the printing press. The huge depopulation of Europe during the Black Death paved the way for the Renaissance.
A large population is good, but not for a country the size of Japan. They have 3x the population, but live in a country the size of California, with even less natural resources. It's why apartments there are tiny tier.

>>7256758
>This has been the case with every single demographic correction that has occurred in human history
wrong

there has never been a depopulation event like this before

this is not a natural disaster, or something inflicted by an enemy in war, or by an epidemic.

there is nothing good about it at all. its the slow slide of an ethnicity and population into stagnation, regression and extinction.

>>7256747
No. There are sherried whiskeys in Japan and Scottish style that really hides the peat well, and there are some that have really light peat flavor on them. Saying all scotch-style whiskeys taste like peat is just annoying.

>>7256767
>this guy seriously believes this
I know you wanna go to Japan and fuck Japanese pussy, but shit doesn't work that way.

>>7256764
> overpopulated

this is not a term that ecologists or biologists EVER use.

you don't understand what you are talking about.

there is no such thing as "overpopulation".
there is only availability of resources.

>Do you know that the massive depopulation allowed people to actually own land and start larger families again?
No, you fucking moron.

You've completely misunderstood what the Black Death did to society. Because it killed off such a huge amount of workers, it improved the negotiation position of the remaining workers, leading to the development of guilds and more workers rights against the rich.

It didnt "allow people to own land and start larger families".

Christ its fucking maddening how uneducated and ignorant shits like you are these days.

A large growing population, is a healthy population.
A population which does not grow, is not healthy.
A population which decreases, is dying.

>>7256769
Even in your own statement you involve the peat flavor in all of them.

What the fuck is wrong with you.

>Saying all scotch-style whiskeys taste like peat is just annoying.
All scotch-style whiskeys taste like peat.
You yourself said in your own post.

Seriously, are you brain damaged?

Fucking hell /ck/....

>>7256771
Its a fact.

And its the same situation in all western developed nations. Population growth from conception is near or below zero.

The only thing keeping their growth up artificially, is immigration.

>>7256777
see
>>7256763

"In an interview earlier this year, Suntory Holdings CEO Takeshi Niinami admitted that he has banned his executives from drinking Hakushu 15 and other Suntory single malts in order to make more bottles available for consumers. "

>>7256773
>this guy REALLY believes what he's saying
Of course there's such a thing as overpopulation. Resources are generally finite unless you can invent or do something that creates more resources. Japan is lacking in land, lacking in natural resources, and the global economy is slowing down creating a massive problem for them since they're an export nation.

>lots of dead people
>lots of free land with no owners
>people could take them and use them
While guilds developed with this as well, that is not the only thing that assisted in the European revival after the plague wiped them out.

Only a complete idiot would argue that population must always grow. We do not live in an infinite world. Not all real estate are made equal. Not everyone wants to live in tiny little apartments the size of one single room.

>>7256781
>The only thing keeping their growth up artificially, is immigration.
Growth from immigration is not real growth. Increased GDP does not mean increased GDP per capita. Merely adding new people does not bring in greater returns. It's the principle of diminishing returns. Japan has it in droves.

I'm an immigrant, but even I understand that first world countries like Japan have no business adding more people in their country.

>>7256777
Nice trips. Cooking is culture. Culture is politics. So cooking also has politics. Isn't whiskey one of the most politicized food in the world?

>>7256792
read it again
>>7256773

from an ecological and biological perspective, there is no such thing as overpopulation.
there is only scarcity or availability of resources.

accept and understand that. use your brain.

>>lots of free land with no owners
no you moron. you couldn't just "take" land in this period.

You really have no idea of the situation and what happened under what circumstances and in what context in this period of history.

Just shut up and stop embarrassing yourself.

The Black Plague, and the Spanish Flu, are both epidemics that almost ended Western Civilisation and set it back by generations.

Same goes for the Small Pox epidemics imported to the N and S American Indians.

>>7256784
That's dedication.

>>7256797
>I'm an immigrant, but even I understand that first world countries like Japan have no business adding more people in their country.

You are an immigrant, and uninformed and ignorant of the situation.

Look up Japanese census estimate statistics for the future.

The Japanese are not having enough children to sustain their own population.

>>7256804
> you couldn't just "take" land in this period.
No one is going to farm those lands unless workers are put on them. Of course that's a lot of free land left for the survivors.
>Black Plague
>set back Europe for generations
More like you have no idea about what it did for Europe. 1330s to late 1350s. Renaissance directly starts after the Black Plague.
>no such thing as overpopulation
There is in Japan. Because the resources are very scarce and lacks availability. You idiot.

>>7256814
>wanting to sustain an overpopulated country
Just stop it.

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>all whiskey tastes like peat
>Japanese whiskey is inferior

Have any of you even been to Scotland?
Ever visited a working distillery?

No you go to that hipster whiskey bar with staff that have limited knowledge but try and act like they know more than you, sure they have good selection but they nothing of the drink, origins, culture, flavours, climates of areas, how to pair a decent cigar.
Its not just something you can pick up, you have to drink it for years to appreciate the finer qualities and how to single out aromas , mouth feel and finishes.
A good way to learn is go to tasting classes, they usually have a rep from the company and they will explain in great detail what you are smelling and swallowing.
>Tassie whiskey is expensive,
Yeah it is mate, hard to justify to the boss why I dropped $170 on a bottle, the welsh Penderyn stuff isn't to bad, spicy with hints of vanilla and sultanas

>>7256817
Was for >>7256808

Japanese whiskey, on a general note, is not as peaty as Scottish whiskey. Not completely like Irish or American whiskeys, but not as much. There are some bottles that are peat heavy however.

>shittalking about whiskey
Why?

>>7256824
>/ck/
>not shittalking about any thing

>>7256824
Because if you like something that I don't like there will be hell to pay , kiddo.

>>7256814
You dont understand the laws of the period.
The land was owned by local rulers.
And if you where on the land, the ruler owned you too.

The Renaissance began more than hundred years after the Black Death and took centuries to develop. TheBlack Death did not lead to it. A resurgence in the ideals of Antiquity did, and that only in certain cities, and even then only among the wealthy.

You are learning. As you state, availability of resources is the problem. Overpopulation is not. Population growth is ALWAYS good, it provides more manpower, more human ingenuity, more progress.I repeat, there is no such notion as overpopulation in either ecology or biology.

>>7256834
Was just some asshat who wants scotch, but without the peat flavor.

Its like wanting caviar, but without the saltiness.
Retarded, but some people actually have brains that work this way.

>>7256839
>The Renaissance began more than hundred years after
No. It did not. It started late 1300s and finished all the way to the 1600s.

>>7256710
>what the fuck are you doing drinking whiskey
Not all whiskeys have peat.

>>7256817
No such thing as overpopulated.

The problem the Japanese, is not in their populations size. Infact their problem is its population is set for a disastrous dowturn because they are not reproducing ENOUGH.

That and efficiently distributing resources onto and within an island to that population.

There is no shortage of food, water, space or resources in the world. Merely a difficulty in efficiently aquiring them.

>>7256839
>Population growth is ALWAYS good
Principle
of
Diminishing
Returns

>>7256853
all scotch does.

and technically if its not scotch, its not whiskey, its whisky.

>>7256856
You dont understand the terms you are using.

There is no diminished return from more people.
More people produce more and create the bssis for others to create more.

2 people can produce twice as much as one. 1 million people produce 1 million times more than 1.

People produce a quadratic output, in exponential growth, the more of them there are. If there is only enough population to farm to feed themselves, there is no basis for other work, such as poets, politicians and dancers.

You are utterly wrong and backwards on thiw.

>>7256851
It started in the early mid 1400s, and took centuries to proliferate.

>>7256855
>There is no shortage of food, water, space or resources in the world.
National populations are provided for in a national sense. Of course if you bring the entire world in, 120 million people isn't a problem.

But those 120 million people have to deal with 7 billion people and they have a country the size of California to live in (10 percent of it anyway).

A simple increase in 10% of the population of Texas through immigration completely stretched all freshwater resources in that state in the last ten years.

The problem with the Japanese IS the population size in relation to the locality they live in. It's why people have become underemployed there by the millions, that people resort to renting out manga cafe stalls as apartments, or, renting out holes in the walls to sleep in. There is way too many people in Japan, that reproduction is seen as far more of a hassle than not.

There is no way you can support a family if all you can afford to sleep in at night is a damn manga cafe stall and you have a shitty 20 hour per week job.

>>7256868
14th century is 1300s. Renaissance started in the 14th century, meaning 1300s.
>>7256865
>there is no diminished return from more people
Run a business or a line shift, before you say that. You will end up running workspace soon enough if you put 20 people in a kitchen that can be efficiently staffed by 5 workers.
Space matters. Resources matters. Too many people clutter shit up and make a lot of people redundant or useless.

That is the principle of diminishing returns.

>>7256871
"Overpopulation" is not the problem.

Japans biggest problem at the moment is that soon a whole age group is retiring and dying with no-one to replace them, because they have not reproduced enough.

Its like a large company with 1000 workers finding that from one week to the next it only has 750 workers, and 500 on the week after that, and 250 after that. The company will go bankrupt because it doesnt have the staff to run its business.

>>7256877
>this dumbass literally does not understand what mechanization is and how the Japanese economy doesn't need as many workers to provide the same amount of productivity due to robot work
>he doesn't understand how there's so much cheap labor in Japan right now, people have to resort to renting out shitty places to live in because there's so many people and not enough living space
Those old people will die. And the cycle will restart when the population grows small enough. Japan is already building robots to start caring for their elderly. A drop in population forces innovation.

>>7256873
Then you need a bigger business premise.

That your business is doing so well that you have that much staff is not the problem. Its a huge asset. Your problem is efficiently finding and aquiring resources to continue its growth.

You are agin co pletely wrong on diminishing returns. That concept does not mean what you think it does.

>>7256881
>Then you need a bigger business premise.
COUNTRIES NO LONGER HAVE THE SIZE TO GROW BIGGER, YOU FUCKING MORON. ALMOST ALL LAND IN THE WORLD IS TAKEN ALREADY.

This is why pro-immigration retards are complete retards that even an immigrant like me can see it.

>>7244203
>there will never be Hibiki 12 ever again
I cry a little bit inside every time.

>>7256880
>>so much cheap labor

lol
japanese labor is anything but cheap.there is no cycical nature to this.

what is happening to japan is nothing less than a mass depopulation. its effectively the same as if some massive natrual disaster or epidemic had wiped out 25% of its population.

its a terrible and serious setback which will take generations to recover from.

>>7256884
Maybe it will be created again. Glendronach had the same problem, didn't it?

>>7256882
There is plenty of space in the world.

Maybe if you left your basement or innercity hole on occassion you would see that.

>>7256865
>People produce a quadratic output, in exponential growth, the more of them there are.

lol'd, do you even know basic math? Would be kinda ok if was just hyperbole but it isn't, it's plain rubbish and the rest of your argument is equally horseshit

>>7256888
Yes, once theyve managed to age more of it.
But current stock is almost run out.

You can thank western hipsters and weeaboos for that.

>>7256889
>There is plenty of space in the world.
Yeah, plenty if you start killing each other through warfare. All territory in the world has been spoken for already. Unless you're telling people to start going to war, you can no longer expand countries to make room for their large populations.
>telling an immigrant that he's never seen the world before
Rich.
>>7256886
>he literally believes this bullshit

>>7256893
The problem with that is Suntory already said they're going the Harmony route instead of the age route for their product line. And the Harmony whiskeys aren't as good as the 12, 15, and 17. Even though they have parts of the 15 and 17 mixed together.

>>7256892
You dont seem to understand, that certain basic needs and tasks have to be performed in human society, before others can involve themselves in professiins and activities beyond those.

Do you have any fucking idea the complex social order rewuired to produce just one rubber gasket or screw for an airplane or satelite? You need people who produce food, teachers to teach them, hospitals to care for them, media/arts to entertain them, politicians to lead them, police to protect them, cleaners to tidy up, engineers to design the machines, scientists to understand the principles to build them, and each of those needs each other inorder for a factory worker to be able to produce that simple rubber gasket/screw.

>>7256896
>Yeah, plenty if you start killing each other through warfare.
or if you build taller buildings, create vertical farms, transform the wilderness into habitable land for people

nah but the only one to make more room is to kill other people and take their land :^)

>>7256896
You are astoundingly ignorant, and exactly the kind of person who perpetuates problems without understanding them.

>>7256907
>Do you have any
>there's 50 percent unemployment in the Mediterranean countries for people below age 30
>it's 20 percent in Germany, France and the UK
>depending on ethnicity, it's 3% to 50% in the US

>>7256908
>>7256909
>muh taller buildings, vertical farms, wasteland reclamation
Yeah, like that shit is even cost effective. If those things were actually viable, we'd see them everywhere in the world where people are starving to death. Oh wait, we don't. Waiting for people to die out until resources free up is simply easier.

>>7256896
Ive lived in Finland, Sweden, Russia, Luxemburg, Russia, Germany and the UK. Ive travelled to more than 30 countries in addition to that.

>>7256912
Whats your point.

All populations, regardless of size, have unemployed.

>>7256918
Then how the fuck do you not understand the issues national populations face? Have you ever gone to third world countrysides before? If the only thing to your visits are "I went to this airport" then I'd understand why you're so ignorant about the resource issues almost every country in the world has right now. A lot of the current wars being fought today are based on resources lacking in the regions they are being fought at.

>>7256917
People dying off wont free up resources.

It just will mean you have less population to utilize inorder to aquire them.

You cant run a busines that needs 1000 staff, with 750 people, without the output dropping substantially below that of at 1000.

>>7256923
>>Issues national popluations face.

Japan is facing losing almost 25% of its ethnic japanese population.

Id say thats a huge fucking issue.

>>7256920
It shows the principle of diminishing returns happening in reality. You can have too many politicians, lawyers, gasket makers, robot engineers, fastfood workers, police, etc.
The reason the welfare state was even created was so that people who couldn't get a job wouldn't revolt against their rulers in Europe for fucks sake.

>>7256909

Sheesh just stfu already, it's pretty obvious by now you're the last person around to call anyone ignorant.

>>7256923
>>7256926
Resources are not in shortage.
Aquiring them efficiently and redistributing them however is a problem, but not one that hasnt always been one.

>>7256924
>You cant run a busines that needs 1000 staff, with 750 people, without the output dropping substantially below that of at 1000.
Replace 250 people with robots. Even if you have a short term loss in GDP, it can grow back later. Pretty shortsighted view you have there.

>>7256926
As long as they don't replace it with 30 million non-Japanese, they have no issue. Japan was populated by 40 million people in the 1930s, and even then, they were having real estate issues.

>>7256927
1000 painters do not produce less art, or inferior art, than 100.

You are missapplying the concept of diminished returns, which you fundamentally misunderstand.

>>7256930
>Resources are not in shortage.
They are if acquiring them is not cost-effective or you don't have the technology to do so.

>>7256936
No, YOU don't understand the principle of diminishing returns.

There are 100 empty canvasses to paint on. You have 200 artists cooperating on painting on them. You have 800 standing around doing nothing.

>>7256933
>Replace 250 people with robots
Funny how the Japanese are already doing this.

>>7256940
>You have 800 standing around doing nothing.
And making it hard for the 200 artists painting stuff from doing their work because they're in the way.

>>7256933
>>Replace with robots
Wonder if thry can create a robot stupid enough to replace you.

>>7256933
You dont understand how the infrastructure of a modern economy and social system works.

The loss of 25% is irreplaceable. It will take generations to recover, and the economy will take a huge downturn.

>>7256940
Then ypur problem is aquiring more canvases, not that you have 1000 artists.

Again, this has nothing to do with diminishing returns, you fucking uneducated dilettante moron.

>>7256948
>Wonder if thry can create a robot stupid enough to replace you
>does not understand mechanization and how this is the case with the automobile industry

>You dont understand how the infrastructure of a modern economy and social system works.
Yeah, the social system right now is basically a glorified ponzi scheme that's based on continual population growth and near-full employment.

That shit is impossible because the more people there are, the less real estate, the less desire to have many children.

And 25% loss isn't irreplaceable. The mass majority of people in Japan is OLD, meaning they barely do anything productive for the country and only serve as users of social welfare. That is what it means to get old. They really have no contribution to the economy, if you think about it in a completely calculating way.

>>7256952
>Then ypur problem is aquiring more canvases, not that you have 1000 artists.
But the current technology and resources can only provide for 100 canvasses.
The same way that current economies can only provide a certain number of jobs leading to massive u30 unemployment in developed nations.

You are still acting like everything is infinite. Technology, the ability to extract resources, and the energy required to extract the resources isn't powerful enough that we have infinite everything.

Is Glenlivet any good scotch?

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>no Templeton Rye

all dem weebs

>>7256959
>The mass majority of people in Japan is OLD, meaning they barely do anything productive for the country and only serve as users of social welfare.

False.

They are not yet retired, and are still in the workforce. That has yet to come.

Furthermore, its you who fails to understand that the NEGATIVE GROWTH RATE of the Japanese means this problem will persist atleast through the next generation, meaning there will be EVEN LESS Japanese in the generation after that.

Use your fucking brain.

Do you not understand the basic arithmetic of human reproduction and sustaining of a population?

For each 2 adults, atleast 2 offspring must be produced, to SUSTAIN the population. To GROW the population, they must produce atleast 3. If they produce only 1, the population will HALF in the space of one generation.

Use your fucking brain.

>>7256964
>But the current technology and resources can only provide for 100 canvasses.

I can cut each canvas into 10 with the fine technology of a knife. Now we have 1000 canvasses.

>You are still acting like everything is infinite.
You are still acting like everything is depleted and gone. It isn't. There is a huge abundance of resources on this planet. You misunderstand its unequal and inefficient distribution for scarcity. They are not the same thing.

None of which, again, has anything to do with diminishing returns.

Scarcity of resources is not the cause of unemployment. The unsustainable greed and inefficiency of the owners of resources and employers, is leading to unemployment.

>>7256971
>They are not yet retired, and are still in the workforce.
>does not know about the very redundant and useless jobs that the Japanese corporate system has for old tenured employees that don't really produce any real and meaningful production for the country
It's like you talkin, but you don't even know why the Japanese are in the rut they're in right now.

Negative and positive growth rates are not permanent. They are always based on peoples' choices. Is it financially worth it to have a family? In Japan, the answer is no.
Will it be that way when the older generation dies off and real estate properties drop in Japan with an increased demand for workers later, leading to increased pay and wages? No, because they'll have the money to afford a family.
This thing is not rocket science if you actually studied the Japanese and European economies and their respective cultures.

Anyways, returning to topic, I appreciate the outstanding perfection of Japanese whiskeys.

But they are too neat, tidy and clinical for my taste. Its what I imagine a "Star Trek"-like matter replicator would produce in the 24th Century, as what it thinks whiskey was like in the 20th.

>>7256976
You have 1000 shitty canvasses that are way too small to put in a museum now that wanted those 100 canvasses in their original size, all because you wanted to give work to people who weren't really needed by the museum.

Congratulations, you have destroyed the museum because its customers aren't ants and you wasted 100 good canvasses. You're a moron.

Does anyone know if Hibiki Japanese Harmony is any good?

>>7256981
>But they are too neat, tidy and clinical for my taste.
I do hear that complaint about Japanese whiskey from time to time.

>>7256980
>This thing is not rocket science if you actually studied the Japanese and European economies and their respective cultures.

I have. You clearly have not.

>It's like you talkin, but you don't even know why the Japanese are in the rut they're in right now.
I've explicitly stated why they are.
You, inanely and falsely claim their problem is "overpopulation", which is a false notion and one NEVER used in the sciences of ecology, biology or sociology. That you even use the term, speaks volumes of the fact you don't know what you are talking about.

>Negative and positive growth rates are not permanent.
The NEGATIVE GROWTH RATE has a PERMANENT effect. Time is linear, you fucking moron. If one generation does not reproduce enough to sustain itself into the next generation, then that is a NEGATIVE change which incontrovertibly and directly effects the next generation, and all generations thereafter, as they are subsequently SOURCED from that generation.

25% of the population dying off with no replacement, does not mean "free real estate and more jobs".

It means shitloads of empty worthless real-estate, the investments and savings of their owners completely devalued and lost. It means less people providing employment in less business, to less people, and the competition of higher educated/skilled employees being preferred by those fewer employers.

You have the entire shit ass backwards.
Christ, you are one motherfucking idiot.

>>7256986
A lot of people say it's subpar to the numbered Hibikis

>>7256984
Only an idiot like you would think it is the canvas that matters, rather than what is painted upon it.

This is a perfect example and analogy of how someone as narrow and shallow as you cannot be expected to understand.

>>7256991
>I
I wrote two university papers comparing Europe to East Asia and their government/culture/economics, you fucker.
>You
Overpopulation exists. It is a matter of public and foreign policy. Go live in your dumbass bubble, you retard. If you go google the term overpopulation, you know it means something. Because it is a real thing that affects real people that starts war and creates hunger and death everywhere in the world.
Just because you think the world has infinite resources doesn't mean it has infinite resources. Or more appropriately, the technology to get all those resources. Not all land is the same, not all technology works on the different terrain that exists in this planet.
Not all technology is cost-effective.
>The
>It means shitloads of empty worthless real-estate,
That people can now buy with the meager wealth they have.
> the investments and savings of their owners completely devalued and lost.
Except for the people who have no investments and savings, and this is a time where the true entrepreneurs will show up to start utilizing unused property to get rich.
>It means less people providing employment in less business,
Entrepreneurs and mechanization.
>the competition of higher educated/skilled employees being preferred by those fewer employers.
There's less competition when there's less people for labor. This means that even shit labor jobs get paid well. And if shit labor gets paid well, service sectors gets paid well. And services require industry to provide their services. It's a cycle. And because of many businesses not being able to survive, entrepreneurs will show up to pick up the slack to earn a quick buck. Providing employment.

>>7256996
>the canvas that matters
The canvas fucking matters. What the fuck do you think painting on a canvas that can only hold one dot of paint can do for museum goers? After that single dot of paint is put on the canvas, you're telling me you're paying those artists any good money? A monkey could do their jobs at that point.

>>7256986
The Hibiki Harmony is getting average reviews on the net.

Glendronach 15 and Hibiki 12 are all good.

>>7244203
Where were you able to buy that? And for how much?

>>7257007
>I wrote two university papers comparing Europe to East Asia and their government/culture/economics, you fucker.
Europe and East Asia are immensely diverse and internally differentiated regions with dozens of nations with their own specific and unique governments/cultures/economies.

You probably wrote 2 papers comparing western and japanese manga.

>Overpopulation exists
It does not. You don't understand why that is, because you are narrow and uneducated. You are mislabelling the issue for something you do not understand.

>If you go google the term overpopulation, you know it means something.
lol

There is no such thing as overpopulation, there is only scarcity/availability/distribution of resources.

>That people can now buy with the meager wealth they have.
They wont have wealth, because their own capital and collateral in terms of their own real-estate will have devalued and evaporated their wealth.

>Except for the people who have no investments and savings, and this is a time where the true entrepreneurs will show up to start utilizing unused property to get rich.
What utter bullshit.
Those people who have no investments or savings will still have no investments or savings. They are in no position to do anything, much less so in a devalued and depressed economy.

>Entrepreneurs and mechanization.
Nothing stopping entrepreneurs right now. Your assumption that they would somehow do better in a devalued, depressed economy rather than in the current one, is irrational and unfounded.

Mechanization. Lol. There are many jobs which cannot be mechanized. Are you 18 or how is it you are so goddam naive?

>There's less competition when there's less people for labor.
There is MORE competition, because there are also less employers, with less resources, who want only the best for their money.

>This means that even shit labor jobs get paid well.
No, it means shit labor jobs will get paid jack shit, or some other starving nobody will take their job instead.

>>7257007
You live in an imaginary world.

Filled with nonsense "beliefs" and assumptions that have nothing to do with the cold hard reality of the real world.

>>7257010
the dot paintings can be put together, forming a whole larger than each of its parts.

keep trying with your inane arguments.

furthermore, many painters build their own canvases. yet another thing a dilettante, ignorant and uneducated person like you has never once even considered.

>>7257020
>Europe and East Asia are immensely diverse and internally differentiated regions with dozens of nations with their own specific and unique governments/cultures/economies.
Well obviously. That's why I wrote two. On Germany and Japan, and then on France with South Korea.
>It does not
>There is
Nice blinders you have on. Overpopulation exists and it is a very important public policy/foreign policy factor that is dealt with in many nations.
>They wont
Devalued real estate in many towns in the US can be had for 100 to 1000 dollars. You can buy huge tracts of land for private use if you know where to look.
>What utter bullshit.
When everybody is almost on the same level, it becomes a contest of ability.
>Nothing stopping entrepreneurs right now
Except other entrepreneurs with a lot of money and cornered markets. Which disappear if economies get fucked and they lose their power base.
>Mechanization
Japanese industry is a very mechanized economic sector.
>There is MORE competition, because there are also less employers, with less resources
There will be more employers since everyone will be starting basically from scratch. Because no one can employ you but there is all this property and opportunity right in front of you, you can become your own boss and start your own businesses far more easily than in an economy where all office space is rented out and all property are used 100%.

>No
Starving nobodies won't exist as much because shit needs to get done as opposed to there being twelve people around that are starving needing a job, but only one job being there to get.
>>7257023
YOU live in an imaginary world, where resources are plentiful, technology is cost-effective all the time and fully advanced while jobs are plentiful.

>>7257028
>the dot paintings can be put together, forming a whole larger than each of its parts.
That is not what the museum goers wanted. The order was for 100 paintings, the maximum the technology could provide. They didn't ask for 1000 small canvasses with one dot each that could be rearranged.
And no, the point with the 100 canvas scenario is that the TECHNOLOGY and RESOURCES can only provide for 100 canvasses. Meaning the fucking painters can't produce any more of them.

>>7257015
Yamazaki 12 is almost 200 bucks, man.

>>7257041
>200 bucks
>for Yamazaki 12
I don't think that whiskey is worth that much money.

>>7257041
>paying $200 for 750ml of alcohol
That's too much.

>>7257045
not much compared to some scotch whiskeys, such as Macallan in particular.

>>7257039
im sure your entrepreneurs and robots will find a way to make use of 1000 smaller painted canvases for huge profits, right?

i mean thats what your whole bullshit is based on.

entrepreneurs and robots.
your solution for japan.
christ what a fucking moron you are.

any recomandations for a smoky whisky? had some some years ago and now i feel for some again

>>7257015
>and for how much

There's a fucking price tag on the bottle in the picture for you to get that info from Helen.

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This might be one of the worst whisky threads I've seen here in a while, I mean goddamn.

Just cracked a bottle of this Craigellachie 13 year, really interesting whisky. Not your typical Speyside malt, lots of herbal and bitter stuff going on here.