What is the worst national cuisine in the world?

>>7000413
American

>>7000413

Chilean. Not even kidding. Just pile as much avocado and mayonnaise on anything to make it taste passable.

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Norwegian

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>>7000419

>>7000417

>American is an actual cuisine and not subdivided into regions.

Extremely nice meme. Did you make it up yourself?

Filipino.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-PKO2FrdPY

Even though we've tricked everyone into believing we have the best restaurant in the world (i.e. new nordic cuisine lol), Danish cuisine sucks IMO. Sausages and open-faced sandwiches? lel

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>>7000423

Actual Flip cuisine is god-tier though.

France. Yes, some countries have worse food. But France has spent hundreds of years convincing the rest of the world that they have the best cuisine, when in reality all they have are thousands of chefs willing to travel abroad and "educate" the locals.

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the Dutch (me)

Flyover land

>>7000422
Why do Americans love to play up 'muh regional culture' so much? Every country has regional specialities, get over yourselves

>>7000434

Not really the same way it works in Europe. Many sub-regional cuisines are completely different from the other. You could probably say the same for Italy and France, but that's really about it.

Not saying it's any worse for it, but there it is.

t. lived in Europe for 3 years.

>>7000434

He wasn't playing anything up. All he did was mention there were regional differences.

And because the US is a large country the regional differences are much larger than they would be compared to smaller countries.

>>7000442
>You could probably say the same for Italy and France, but that's really about it.

I disagree. German food is totally different from French, which is different from Italian, which is different from Spanish, etc, etc, etc.

>>7000434
Maybe because we're sick of everyone cherrypicking the worst food from our worst states and deciding that's what "American" food is?

>>7000442
But northern and southern italian cuisine is very different

>>7000413
Everywhere I've been I've managed to find something good to eat. But the countries where it was the most difficult for me were:

Holland
Panama

British
German
Norwegian
Finnish

>>7000450
Yes, but the difference is that both are often very good. There aren't many countries with such a massive difference in QUALITY from region to region.

British obviously.

Irish cuisine is pretty fucking shit. Our produce is top notch, but we never really knew what to do with it.

The influence poverty had on our cuisine is very clear to this day, tbh.

>>7000431
>boerenkool
>not god tier
Mohammed a.u.b.

In my experience, France definitely.
Also Singapore, but then again I don't know that singapore even has it's own cuisine, they more or less just consume asian food from everywhere else.

>>7000448

You misunderstand. He was specifically referring to countries having vastly different sub regional cuisines. I told him that with the exception of Italy and France this is generally untrue

>>7000472
>I told him that with the exception of Italy and France this is generally untrue

OK, I agree with you there. But it's a bit silly to compare regional differences between a single European country and the US. The difference in size (and therefore climate) in different parts of the country make such a comparison silly. It makes more sense to compare the US with Europe as a whole. If you want to talk about regional differences within a single European country then it would make more sense to compare that with regional differences in a single US state.

>>7000434
America has no unified national culture/identity

America isn't a country.

>>7000413
Canada here

I'm not sure we have a national cuisine. I can think of poutine, but that's about it.

>>7000484
>sudacas

The answer is obviously central african republic or somalia or something

>>7000502

On a less memeriffic note, Senegalese cuisine is actually pretty good

>>7000429
No its not, outside of pancit and lumpia, it's all garbage. Source: I've been eating the stuff for years

>>7000521
>it's all garbage
>I've been eating the stuff for years

Why? Do you live there?

>>7000493
>being a spanish speaker

I can smell your poverty from here.

>>7000488
poutine
montreal smoked meat
montreal bagels
maple syrup
nanaimo bars
butter tarts
beaver tails
tortiere
fiddleheads

>>7000470
>france

How? I mean fuck, you can hate us for a lot of stuff but food?
Food is the only thing we do right.

Come on.


But don't let yourself get tricked by "french cuisine" places, it doesn't mean shit and their food taste like shit.

You need to find places where they focus on a particular aspect of french cuisine.

British

>>7000413

filipino

>>7000424
eh. one should make a distinction between countries that actually have a cuisine (like Britain and France) and countries that have not progressed beyond the absolute basics
the Nordic countries are basic as fuck. Finland in particular is stuck in the fucking stone age, which is interesting but not tasty.

all this being said, the absolute worst cuisine in the world has to be British

I get what the Japs are trying to do, but to me they're a close second. the line between subtle and bland is way too often crossed.

>>7000458
the only correct answer in this thread

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>>7000413
mexishit

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Icelandic

their most popular traditional piece of cuisine is a piece of shark they peed on and let ferment for 6 months.

>>7000638
Taco bell isn't mexican

>>7000638
>yellow cheese
>sour cream

That isn't mexican dipshit

>>7000875
Nope.

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>>7000871
>That isn't mexican dipshit

>>7000871
>yellow cheeses don't exist in mexico!
>crema doesn't exist in mexico!

poor bait, go away "dipshit"

>>7000484
Neither is wherever you come from, you provincial wastrel.

S.P.Q.R.

>>7000419
I agree. We do have a disgusting national cuisine. I fucking hate it.

Scandi
Filipino
Japanese

Philippino food is pretty bad nothing but bones a gristle

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Nordic cuisine (Swedish, Norwegian, Finnish, Icelandic, Danish) may vary from dull, uncreative and insipid (potatoes with anything else able to grow in their frozen wastelands) to absolutely disgusting (putrid jelly fish, goat heads, rotting shark meat, etc).

The same can be said of the cuisine of any Northern European country, such as British (either boring and tasteless or nauseatingly repulsive), Irish (non-existant) and Baltic (rancid and uninspired).

Pretty much anywhere in Eastern Europe or the Baltic. Bread and potatoes with bland meat or fish and pickles. Salt is underused and pepper is considered exotic.

>>7000424
Everytime Danes coming up with this restaurant.

As if national cuisine were something you can evaluate through fancy ass faggot dishes of a single restaurant that does not represent the eating customs of the country's people.

>>7001494
Icelandic is particularly disgusting. I mean its just fucking crap.

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South African

german, why would I want to stick a variety of phallic objects in my mouth?

>>7001674
A reminder that people who use the word bland have a fucked sense of taste and just look to blame everyone else for their biological defect.

>>7001494
those cats <3

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>>7001759

Korean.

probably a scandinavian country, or a south east asian country, or a sub-saharan african country

>>7001674
>pickles
>Salt is underused
LOL, OK.

>>7000448
>And because the US is a large country the regional differences are much larger than they would be compared to smaller countries.

Which is bullshit because you aren't even a blink of the eye. Arrogant fuck clappyfats.

One of the best parts about these shitposting threads is the lack of flags on /ck/. You know for a fact that you pussies wouldn't ever say where you are from.

>>7001843
Naturally you just shitpost when proven wrong.

>>7001955
I like it personally. I'm an American and make shitpost "fucking American" comments all the time. I encourage everyone to do it. There are only two ways to kill a meme on 4chan: make it popular on another site or beat it to death so hard that no one wants to use it.

>>7001494
we have pinnekjott tho

>>7001981

I do this as well, I also occasionally racebait against white people when I am white myself.

I also like to shitpost against my own state while pretending to be from another one.

Love all the "you's"

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Danish food is terrible but Danish pastry is god tier. Thinking about making Klenät (Klejne, whatever) this weekend

>>7000536
Not him, but you can easily make mistakes on most flip cuisine.

>tfw mom is a great cook
>tfw mom makes a batch of food back home neighbors would start buying all her stuff
>tfw she got bored of cooking after we all graduated
She still cooks for me here in Texas now whenever she is here so it's still fucking awesome

>>7001674
> Eastern Europe
> bland
kek. Hungarians eat more and hotter chilies than fucking Mexicans

>>7002686
>tfw want goulash now

>>7000593
Brit' cuisine is pretty nice really.
Especially nowadays.

>>7002291
>Thinking about making Klenät
it's just fried dough. skip it. unhealthy.

I've tried a lot of national cuisines in my day and the one I found most stomach-churning was Russian. It has a lot of milk-soups and gelatinous cubes and stuff. It just looks really unappetizing and tastes pretty much how you'd expect.

I've heard about British cuisine being bad but to me it's just sorta bland but passable. Russian cuisine struck me as aggressively terrible.

>>7000413

I personally don't like Chinese, but I don't think it's bad, just not for me. Slavic food is boring but again my mother is from the eastern block so cabbage and boiled meat where standard when I was young

>>7001981
Fucking American.

>>7002151
Flyer confirmed.

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bruh

>>7001739
>>>/int/

>>7002965
Are those bonobos? Why would you want to eat a bonobo? That's just begging for HIV.

>>7000419
>I don't enjoy baked dinosaur

spooted the pleb

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>>7002965
They look so sad

>>7000413
SHIT-CUISINE POWER RANKING
1. Native American
2. Bhutanese
2. Filipino
3. Nordic (all)
4. Chilean
5. American Midwest
6. Native Pacific Islander.

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>>7000420
>that episode where bobby eats the whole tray of lutefisk and drops a fucking bomb in the bathroom at church and tries to cover up the smell with a match and burns the whole church down

>>7003241
How do you think Ebola-Chan got so far in her travels? They love bushmeat there and it is the only affordable meat for a significant portion of the population. There are many documentaries that show the citizens saying Ebola was a western plot to take all of the bushmeat for ourselves and that they will continue to eat it in proud defiance of our evil plot.

>>7003283
Why did the priest claim that Lutefisk was an American meal?

>>7000413

Chinese, I fucking hate it, only thing I can eat are prawn crackers and spring rolls.

>>7000413
Japanese

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>>7003323

It's a show about flyovers and texans...

>>7003320
Well, I guess that's natural selection.

>>7000413
british.

>>7002831

I know, I know, but it was a staple of Christmas to me. I'm thinking about baking it instead.

>>7000419
Norwegian deserts are delicious fam. Risgrot is my life.

I don't understand why Norwegians love to drown it butter and cinnamon though.

>>7001494
>What is Shepard's/Cottage pie
>What is UK Bacon
>What is toad in the hole
>What is spotted dick
>What is beef Wellington

I bet you're the sort of famed cuisine critic that doesn't even attempt spotted dick.

England's gross no poo in loo "national" food has to be the worst.

>>7006312
>Shepard's

>>7006312
the muezzin is calling adhan, you dont want to be late britbong. we can discuss your country's shit food afterwards. you can even try convincing me how sophisticated your full english breakfasts are.

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>>7006327
get culturally enriched, faggot. your food sucks.

>>7006345
>implying you'd have that picture and know about that meme if you actually believed what you posted

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>>7006350
>implying some alahuackbars wont be doing the tawaf around ur mum tonight

>>7006345
I like this picture because it basically implies that it's bad that white south africans are getting what was coming to them even though it's actually justice being served.

I for one find it delightful to hear white ethnically european colonists from rhodesia and south africa whining about how the land they stole is now back in the hands of its rightful owners. Come on you retards, what in the fuck did you expect?

>>7006399
I expected the monkeys of Zimbabwe to beg the white man to come back, and I got exactly what I expected. Face it, they fucking need white people over there or they'll all be following general butt naked and eating each other.

http://www.news24.com/Africa/Zimbabwe/Crisis-hit-Zimbabwe-wants-white-farmers-back-report-20150716

>>7006408
>reading vice
>watching vice
No wonder you think zimbabwe and liberia are the same thing

>>7006418
Zimbabwe is what the Africans renamed Rhodesia to after they murdered and drove out all the white farmers that gave them civilization, you fucking retard.

>>7000458
Nice meme

>>7006325
No one in their right mind would think that a full English is sophisticated. It's nearly the exact opposite, it's what a construction worker eats to fuel him throughout the day, and it's not very good at that. I guess you could make the argument that it could be getting the lobster treatment that happened in America, a food for the poor or working class becomes part of high society over time. Yet a full English is not in high society just yet.

>>7006399
>Retribution is the only form of justice.

>>7000413
Anything south of the yucatan or north of Panama is dogshit tier.

>>7006444
He's also implying that any person that buys land in a foreign country should be murdered for it.

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>>7006422
You seem lost.

Sweden.

90% of it is boiled eggs, funky tasting pastes, and Somalian ejaculate.

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>>7006448
>buys

>>7006452
Yes, that's usually what it's called when you stop to pay after walking out of the quickee mart with a honeybun.

>>7006454
>quickee mart
>honeybun
I have no idea what those are. You made them up just now, didn't you.

>>7006399
>it's actually justice being served.
Yeah, damn them for making an actual civilized country. We wuz pharos and sheeeeeeit

>back in the hands of its rightful owners
No one owned that land. Hell, no one even lived on that land. When colonials landed, the entire population of either of those countries were likely under 25K, entirely comprised of nomadic hunters and foragers. A human hand had never placed a seed in the soil until Europeans arrived and turned it into one of the greatest food-crop producing regions on earth, rivaling the American grasslands even.

The Zulu and Xhosa didn't even migrate down from the coasts until Colonization. And when they did, they killed whatever small tribes of Bantu were already there and leeched off both the whites AND blacks that were working to make SA/Rhodesia good.

Oh, but liberals think all blacks are the same, that there isn't dozens of very unique and different ethnic groups, with centuries of history and conflict with one another. I guess you have to be a craaaaazy racist to think that these days.

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>>7006469
>palestine was just desert until israel got there, only bedouins with no fixed address
>after the israelis built the oasis against barbarism that has been there for over 47,000 years (did you know gays are allowed?) the palestinians started to multiply but only after it was built against barbarism which was only 50 years ago even though it was 47,000 years ago, and also drove out the bedouins who are really just refugees from jordan and hate gays
>anyone who doesn't agree with this is antisemitic and hates gays

Well shekeled, schlomo

>>7006489
Nice strawman

>>7006489
>uninhabited pre-historic african plains=the cradle of civilization with 5000 years of recorded history

>>7001981
>>7002151
See, I always knew it was the same person in every thread.

>>7006444
It's a very abrahamic way of thinking.

>>7000413
ISIL

Central African Republic.

The portions are always too small.

Peruvian, they eat rats, shit and shit

>>7000419
Goat head is delicious

>>7000420
>mfw anisakis

>>7000615
As an estonian I can confirm that food's basic, but honestly estonian and finnish cuisine (probably other nordic countries aswell?) to me is the basics of food, it's food I'd eat every day without exceptions, unlike italian cuisine or japanese or stuff that I will eat maybe once a week max. Also the more 'special' cuisine really reminds you and keeps you connected with what really goes on when you butcher an animal and make food out of it. Once you go meat&potato lifestyle, you dont go back.

What do you do with the blood, the intestines, the excess fat? What happens with the bones?

You know and understand this just because of the various foods eaten, and very little is wasted regards to food here.

Jesus Christ is this even about fucking food anymore.

>>7008894
welcome to /int/

So, now that we're done shitposting like madmen, can we get to the real
>numbah ONE
Shittiest cuisine by a fucking MILE is Inuit. not actually trying to talk shit about them, but the motherfuckers will eat anything.

Have any of you had raw wale blubber before? It tastes like goddamn sewage, and it's the least offensive part of their diet.

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>start a normal thread about international cuisine
>American start shitting it up literally RIGHT OFF the start

Fuck, /ck/. This is worse than tipping threads.

>>7006219
You're not supposed to drown it. Just one small lump in the center with cinnamon lightly sprinkled over it.
Fucking great.
Riskrem for christmas is pretty awesome too.

>>7006451
You guys have semla though. Isn't that good? I've never had it but I'm thinking about baking it tomorrow. Serving it in warm milk is kind of weird I guess but it might be good.

>>7009091
I swear /ck/ has one of the worst shitposting populations out of any goddamn board. It's fucking ridiculous.

>>7000413
Chile

>>7006408
>>7006422
this

>>7009214
>gets told off when he can't tell the difference between Liberia and Zimbabwe
>b-but muh Rhodie pride!!!! Nignogs!!!
Dylan Roof pls go

>>7009150
Yeah, 4Chan should range block American IP addresses.

>>7006440
English breakfast is the perfect food for hangover.
I'm not sure if it's related to alcoholism in England, but they sure got it right.

>>7001674
>he never had a surowka
>he never had zurek, chlodnik or barszcz

>>7006408
Hey come on, Butt Naked is a reformed Christian.

>>7003272
what is native american cuisine?

ITT fat losers who eat nothing but chicken tendies and dried weeb ramen criticize food they have never eaten.

>>7009357
Peyote.

Japansy food too sweet. Stupid nips think sugar is a seasoning.

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>>7009357
Actually, a lot of American foods, mostly southern foods, were invented by native Americans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_cuisine

Beef Jerky
Succotash
Corn Grits
Hominy
Corn Bread
Pemmican
Filé

As i have been recently woven in to the american fabric, i have to say that most food that has made their way to the usa gets butchered for mass consumption.
american cousine takes some of the best dishes from its immigrant populations then replaces ingredients, you go from fresh ingredients picked ripe, to unripe fruits and veg that have to be trucked arround for weeks and are ingenered for size and looks rather than taste. Also "cheese," salt, and sugar are added to make up for the sugar development and taste that happens as a veg or fruit rippens. Its just tge reality. Sure organic, heirloom, picked ripe awesomenes makes delicious food, the location of that food doesnt really matter.

Russian, easily. Let's do a rundown of the most popular answers here:

>British and Irish?
Merely bland. I bet you tell everyone Crystal Skull was the worst movie you've ever seen too, you meme spouting pieces of shit
>Norwegian and Danish?
Nordic food mostly just alternates between bland and occasionally weird. There are some truly awful exceptions, but you can do far worse
>Icelandic?
Ya, I know I just addressed Nordic cuisine, but Icelandic food does seem to stand out as singularly awful. It might be the only thing to beat Russia. But I've never had any, so I'll withhold judgement
>American?
Please. Even at its worst, the most you can accuse it of is a lack of subtlety. Also, why is all the bad food here "American," while all the good food "stolen from ____?" We're almost entirely a country of immigrants, so the distinction is pretty artificial. Italian-American food can be pretty awesome, for example, and it's distinctly different from "proper" Italian cuisine.
>Filipino
Have you ever even had it, or did you just watch the carbonara video?

Russian food, on the other hand, is truly vile.

>>7010275
>Russian food, on the other hand, is truly vile.
he said, providing zero examples or reasons for them.
nice rant though.

>>7010267
>Look at the flyovers making fake chemical "parmesan" and when you call them out on this, it's "butthurt economic protectionism pushed by eurolards"
Conveniently leaving out all the great domestic cheese produced here

>Same with the horrid "blush chablis" being made in california.
Conveniently leaving out all the great wine made in California

>having standards is considered anti-American in much of this country
>Actual good quality cheese and wine, let alone organic and heirloom vegetables, are considered treasonous terms
>God forbid anyone want high quality food, if you love this country you will eat your HFCS slop and you will like it! Or go back to africa!
I have literally never heard any of these things in my entire life. Are you trolling, or have dank memes rotted out your brain this badly?

>>7010290
Nobody is denying good food exist buddy, there are tiers to everything. The usa is huge. This makes its overall quality is garbage. When 3 companies produce 89% of the food the 11% thats made up of 10000 small buisneses dont impact overall perception

>>7000413
Why is Israel and UK featured twice?

>>7010285
You want me to be more specific? Fine. Most of it has this weird watered down quality to it, even the things that aren't soups or stews. Like, British food is kind of bland because it's under-seasoned, but the fundamental ingredients are good, flavorful things. Russian food is a purely functional calorie delivery system, just something you force down your throat to keep yourself from dying. Furthermore, there seems to be this general lack of understanding of how to make food taste good, like there's something most other cultures have that most Russians aren't born with. It reminds me of hearing people on /r9k/ talk about social interaction. Maybe it's just a lack of caring. Life sucks and it's never going to get better, so why bother enjoying anything? It's a bleak, depressing, overly cabbage-y reflection of Life in Mother Russia.

Maybe there are diaspora communities that do this kind of food well, but fuck the food in St. Petersburg.

>>7010339
>British food is kind of bland because it's under-seasoned,
Never been to Britain have you? Stop talking memes!

>>7010339
english climate is shit for growing anything that isnt root vegetables and apples.

>>7000417
OP said national

>>7010455
And . . .. . ?

>>7010290
>Conveniently leaving out all the great domestic cheese produced here
If by "here" you mean the northeast or northern california, but you wouldn't know those cheeses existed if you listen to the wisconsin cheese internet defense force

>Conveniently leaving out all the great wine made in California
I never said "blush chablis" was the only wine from california, it was just an example of something where dumb ass flyovers with broken taste buds completely overlook the quality issue and fly off the handle about "economic protectionism"

In any case, the stuff in question comes from the central valley, which is basically to wine what wisconsin is to cheese.

>>7010491
>wisconsin cheese internet defense force
Kek

kyrgyzstan is the objectively correct answer

>>7010140
>cherokee

>>7010491
Oh, its California cheese memer again

>>7010491
but Wisconsin objectively makes more top tier cheese than any other state

>>7010537
>Wisconsin objectively makes more top tier cheese than any other state
Which, compared to American cheese on the whole and on a world-wide scale means nothing.

>>7000413
central america (yucatan to panama)
scandi
russia
anything in the dark continent

>>7010604
America, specially the upper midwest and to a slightly lesser extent western New England, makes plenty of excellent cheese

>>7010609
>>7010609
I would pretty much go with this. Africa has nothing to offer, Scandinavia is pretty low tier, as is most of Eastern Europe. But having travelled a bit and having to narrow it down, I would say the Baltic states are the worst!

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>>7010637
>w-we're part of new england guys! please?
No. New England cheese has characteristics that you people erroneously consider to be a manufacturing defect, such as visible veins of blue mold, bloomy rinds, and crystals. Wisconsin "cheese" cannot legally be called cheese so they call it "cheese food" instead.

Please stop damaging the reputation of America. Yes, we get it, at least you're not the south.

>>7010637
America is getting there but they are not up to Euro standards yet. Ok Europe has years of experience behind them But America just copies European cheese and cannot compete.
Having said that, America could attempt to make a cheese of their own, there is nothing stopping them!

>>7010659
What are you even talking about?

>>7010659
>Wisconsin "cheese" cannot legally be called cheese so they call it "cheese food" instead.
Does Kraft even have a factory in Wisconsin?
I think most process cheese comes from California along with most milk but the majority of actual cheese from america is made in Wisconsin

>>7010676
tl;dr : wisconsin cheese is shit.

>>7010667
>But America just copies European cheese
This is a silly thing to say because american and european farmers are descended from the exact same people. Its ridiculous to consider one group to have more of a right to these long held styles

>>7010684
but your entire post was just made up things...

>>7010667
>America could attempt to make a cheese of their own, there is nothing stopping them!
But we have plenty

>>7010723
Actually, you don't . . .they are cheap copies of European cheese (unless you count pepperjack or Kraft singles)

>>7010667
>America could attempt to make a cheese of their own, there is nothing stopping them!
Is unpasteurised diary products totally legal?

>>7006440
>Actually engaging with the shitposter
Gerry, why?

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>>7010737
>>7010743
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_cheeses
I don't know which one of you that pic is supposed directed at, but it's definitely one of you

>>7010737
Modern europeans have the exact same claim on these styles as americans do

Unless you invented a style or at the very least the people running the farm you currently own did, you have no special claim over it

Please recall most of northern and western europe's smartest people moved to america in the 1800s and brought all of their cheesemaking traditions with them

>>7010743
>Is unpasteurised diary products totally legal?
I don't know exactly how your FDA regulations work but why make excuses?

>>7010760
Thanks for your jewpedia link but I am not even going to bother looking . . .how do you feel now?

>>7010683
Who cares? Every year I get a fruit and cheese gift basket from one of my clients who is trying to butter me up and get free shit. I don't even remember the brand but it's full of "real wisconsin cheese food" like in this picture >>7010659

If that's your idea of excellent cheese, it's sad. If you think that's on the same level as jasper hill or consider bardswell or some other new england cheese makers, your mouth is broken.

>>7010743
No, you have to boil a diary before serving. Otherwise the pages get stuck in your throat.

>>7010737
>>7010737
>cheese
>pizza
>beer
Plenty of good stuff comes from the USA but none of the above I'm afraid.

>>7010763
>most of northern and western europe's smartest people moved to america in the 1800s
Nope . . .come on, I was looking for some decent answers here.

>>7008894
This thread was never about food, it was just a shitposting thread so people can attack other countries food away from /int/ so no flags in order for the shitposter to get shitposted against.

/ck/ seems to be full of this sort of crap. It's an awful board.

>>7010769
Pretty good, thanks for asking. It's none of my business if you want to keep wallowing in your own ignorance.

>>7010776
>we need flags
No we don't, fuck off /int/

>>7010772
Wisconsin makes a fucking lot of cheese of all sorts of different styles and quality.

The fact is they make most of america's best cheese and most of its mediocre cheese too, so just because you have an anecdote about having a mediocre cheese from there once does not make their ridiculous amount of top tier cheese worse

>>7000488
Newfiefag here

What about jiggs dinner by? Seal meat and doughboys or toutons?

Donairs from NS? Come on man

>>7010774
I'm not sure here - Americans have done more with Pizza than the Italians did.

As regards beer and cheese . . .yes America still lacks

>>7010780
>wallowing in your own ignorance.
Go back to tumblr.

>>7010774
Pizza is very american
and almost all of the worlds best beer is american, if you say america can't claim beer, no one besides the Mesopotamians who invented agriculture in order to ferment grain can

as for cheese, there is plenty of great cheese in america and it is very easy to find, but good cheese has a significantly larger marketshare in europe

>>7009091
/ck/ is worse than /b/.

>>7010794
How does america possibly lack at beer. Belgium is the only place in europe that really gets beer and they are just a tiny micronation

>>7000418
>Just pile as much avocado and mayonnaise on anything
Seems like they found a winning formula and stick with it.

>>7010806
Don't bother arguing with him. I've already given up. He'll pretend Bud Light is the only American beer in existence and will ignore any evidence to the contrary, like he did with the cheese. Just be glad you don't have such a pathetic, fragile little ego.

I love how everyone is an expert in the food of the countries they are talking shit about and yet you can't even spell their names correctly.

Americans are just the worst.

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>>7010788
I have literally a lifetime of experience eating cheese on a regular basis in every part of the US except the south, alaska, and hawaii. Including in wisconsin itself. The fruit and cheese box thing was just an example.

I like it how in these threads the WIDF can never even once justify their "best cheese in the UNIVERSE!!~~!ONE" with examples. It's always some vague thing because "well you probably wouldn't be able to get it anyway"

Well newsflash buddy:
1. If no one outside of wisconsin has heard of it, it doesn't exist
2. It doesn't exist anyway, because you're just copy/pasting lines from your cheese industry brochure
3. Even if it did exist, how would you know? Your taste buds are broken
4. Wisconsin cheese is shit
5. tl;dr Wisconsin cheese is shit

tl;dr Wisconsin cheese is shit

>>7010825
again, posting an example of a mediocre cheese does not make their good cheese worse

>>7010806
No
Britain does such a wide variety of beers, it would blow America into the weeds, Belgium does good beer too! Lager beers are also good in Germany and Czech Republic but like I said before America is catching up on the Beer front but not quite there yet!

>>7010830
In order for something to get better or worse, it would have to exist first

>>7010832
>Britain does such a wide variety of beers, it would blow America into the weeds,
What?
America has a much wider variety of beer, by far the widest selection of good beer in the world. I was just in London in May and they are finally starting to catch up but they are still many years behind.

Belgium is the only real good beer producer in Europe, as long as you like trappist or sour beers.

and sure, Germany/Czech make some ok lager, but thats not really saying much, pretty much every western country has figured out how to do that, there are literally thousands of breweries in america making lager as good as you find in central europe while also making other better styles

I tried some of that Monterey Jack stuff imported. If that is what you clappyfats consider to be your best cheese then I really pity you.

>>7010850
>If that is what you clappyfats consider to be your best cheese
Its not, its primarily used for sandwiches

>>7010784
You sure have shit reading comprehension.

>>7010843
>I was just in London in May and they are finally starting to catch up but they are still many years behind.
You are having a laugh right?
Every grade of beer from lagers through to Barley wines has been brewed in Britain for centuries.
6/10 for getting me to reply!

I would like to think that American Lager competes in Europe (their other beers never even make it to the pumps here) . . .the only American beer that sells in Europe is Budweiser and that's a copy of a Czech beer anyway!

>>7010850
>If that is what you clappyfats consider to be your best cheese
It's a style of mass-produced cheese, roughly comparable in quality to what Wisconsin thinks of as "excellent cheese" because it's made from pretty much real milk as opposed to who knows what. You can always tell a wisconsin cheese shill because they put unnecessary qualifiers like "real" in front of their food, as if the default state is for food to be fake, which, for them, is probably true.

Here's a site with some good cheese from the US (you'll notice most of them are from the NE or california)

http://www.murrayscheese.com/cheese.html?country=83&limit=all

>>7010870

Just because there was one guy brewing it there once does not give England claim to it. America has been the one creating and popularizing good beer for a couple decades now.
Most of america's good breweries do not export because they can't keep up with local demand, but there were plenty of american craft beers in London, they were about as easy to find as good local beer there (but this says more about the lack of good beer in europe than anything else). But it definitely felt like they were starting to catch on. American craft brewers were booming in popularity and American style local startups there are slowly becoming common

Also, please remember that Inbev is not an american company, it is Belgian, so america cannot be blamed for Bud

>>7010876
What is with your anti-Wisconsin shitpost meme thing?

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>>7010887
>america cannot be blamed for Bud
lol

are you that bitter neckbeard who refuses to buy bourbon county now that the PO box for the holding company is in the wrong geographic location?

>>7010876
I like how you constantly try and associate shit tier California cheese with New England, when almost all California cheese is terrible process cheese or at best Monterrey Jack. Which is really said when you consider how fucking huge California is and the fact that they have more dairy cows than any other state. You would think with all that dairy production there they would be able to compete with much smaller northern states

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>>7010897
>shitposting
Because I don't agree that your horrid fake cheese is the best thing ever?

Give me a break.

McDonalds is going down. Twinkies were discontinued. Cheap adjunct lagers are headed for extinction. And America is waking up to the fact that Wisconsin cheese isn't actually good, despite being bukkaked with ad copy to the contrary for generations.

You'll either fix your industry or you'll become obsolete. It's the free market at work, and it's a wonderful thing to see.

>>7010900
Nah, I don't buy BC because it is so ridiculously priced. I don't buy based on who owns the beer, but its still kind of important to know what you are buying. The only thing that gets me is how Bud spends millions of dollars marketing itself as though drinking it makes you more american when if fact the exact opposite is true

>>7010908
California makes some shit tier cheese, but it also makes basically all of the good cheese in this country that isn't from New England.

Here on the east coast, you can get stuff like Mt Tam and Humboldt Fog in any grocery store.

No one really cares what California's reputation is in Wisconsin, because it doesn't matter.

>>7010914
>Because I don't agree that your horrid fake cheese is the best thing ever?
No one said it is the best thing ever and you brought the subject up out of the blue

But I am genuinely curious as to whether you are just making things up to troll or if you actually believe this stuff

>>7010887
>America has been the one creating and popularizing good beer for a couple decades now.
In your mind it was real!

>Most of america's good breweries do not export because they can't keep up with local demand,
Please . . .. for crying out loud . .. . Stop!
You have a country of over a third of a billion people, yet you still claim a handful of microbreweries in Wisconsin are more representative than the rest of the USA when it comes to beer. Britain has brewed finer ales for centuries and if you scale it as you are doing then two guys in remote Dorset brew better beer than the rest of England?

Come on . . .grow a pair and own up . . .you can't do beer or cheese, or wine, or original cuisine for that matter!

>>7010920
Every single thread you say California is good just because Humboldt fog. California is a massive state, they better fucking have one or two places making good cheese to balance out all the Kraft singles and skim milk California is churning out

Its funny though that this "Wisconsin doesn't make any good cheese, you need to be close to a coast to do that" meme is literally just one guy who goes and brings it up in as many unrelated threads as possible. Literally nothing of this meme has reached anywhere else on the internet or in the real world though you act as though its some movement

>>7010925
>But I am genuinely curious as to whether you are just making things up to troll or if you actually believe this stuff
I legitimately believe that residents of Wisconsin are completely delusional about their relevance and the quality of their cheese, if that's what you're asking.

Additionally, I find it slightly disappointing when the producers of the worst cheese in America attempt to speak on behalf of our entire country. I don't really care all that much what Britbongs think of cheese from America, because the last thing I want is for us to start exporting it en masse and driving up prices, but when you look at stuff like this guy's post >>7010925 you can see that you're creating strange, distorted impressions of America for those who don't know much about this place.

Iceland/Greenland

>>7010925
Sounds like you know even less about beer than you do about cheese.

But yeah, Wisconsin makes better beer than all of Britain combined, so does Michigan, and Illinois, and Minnesota, and Washington, and Colorado, and Oregon, and Vermont and probably even California

>>7010939
>Additionally, I find it slightly disappointing when the producers of the worst cheese in America
Kraft's largest production is in California, they don't even have a Wisconsin plant

>>7010939
>but when you look at stuff like this guy's post >>7010925
yeah, that guy totally is not you

>>7010925
So what is you favorite british beer, and what is the best american beer you have had?

It sounds like you know nothing about beer. Almost all of the world's best beer is made in america with a small contribution from Belgium

>>7010934
>Every single thread you say California is good just because Humboldt fog.

I've mentioned Mt. Tam as well. That's another cheese that is nearly ubiquitous, and one of the first things people think of when you say California cheese. Unlike Wisconsin where people think of generic blocks of industrial junk.

Post ONE good Wisconsin cheese I can get anywhere in America. Just ONE. I've asked you this before, multiple times, and you always mumble something about not knowing what things are like outside of Wisconsin yadda yadda it really exists you just won't name it please believe me ;_;

This shouldn't be hard. Call your boss at WIDF headquarters, maybe they can help you.

>>7010950

I don't even know what Dorset is, and I have never set foot in the UK. Sorry Wisconsin, not everyone who disagrees with you is the same person.

>>7010939
Talk about distorted take a look at this >>7010943
I have been to America twice, admittedly, as a tourist not as a gastronomic journalist but I bet Anti-Europeans have not ventured foot outside of their state.

>>7010959
I don't think being really basic and easy to find makes it a good cheese

>>7010966
No, what makes it a good cheese is being a good cheese. And it also happens to contribute to a high reputation for California cheese, a reputation not shared by Wisconsin, other than in Wisconsin itself, and the kind of people who still eat at McDonalds, drink Bud Light, and think kale and avocados are exotic memefoods.

>>7010964
All of those states (and a bunch more unlisted ones) have more top ranked beers than Britain
http://www.beeradvocate.com/lists/top/

This isn't really a matter of opinion, almost all of the world's top brewers are currently in america. I don't think London is too far from having a small handful of competitive brewers, they are way ahead of most of the rest or europe besides Belgium, but still many years behind america

>>7010982
>contribute to a high reputation for California cheese,
according to literally only you

I don't deal in anecdotes, find any other source that has a similar opinion to you, you can't just name a cheese you do or don't like and claim it is indicative of a place. If you are seriously going to argue that your opinion is an actual thing that other people have, show us

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>>7010994
>I don't deal in anecdotes
Translation: there's nothing good from Wisconsin, my boss at the WIDF told me to attack the premise of the question instead of just giving a simple answer.

It's ok, we already knew.

>>7011023
So you can't do it?

>>7010985
I never even bother to click on your link btw. But I am guessing it's a bit like the 'World Series' where only America competes.(so they always win)

I don't live in London and I don't give a toss about the small breweries there, they mean nothing to me! . .. . a bit like the small breweries in Wisconsin mean nothing to the people of California.

Don't kid yourself, America doesn't make the grade as far as world beers are concerned . . .. but like I said, they are getting there!

>>7011034
>just ask him something else and hope he doesn't notice you're dodging the question
Tell your boss I said you're dodging the question.

>>7011036
So whats your favorite british beer? and favorite american beer?

Also, feel free to find any other sort of beer ranking that suggests the UK is even similar in quality to america.

Just because Carling is slightly better than Bud Light doesn't make british beer good

>>7000449
>thinking this is why american food is accepted as terrible

>>7000429
I thought this was Ramen and gummi worms at first.

>>7011036
>I never even bother to click on your link btw. But I am guessing it's a bit like the 'World Series' where only America competes.(so they always win)
I literally cannot fathom being such a coward that you can't click on a single fucking link in case it proves you wrong.

ethiopia

>>7011036
people in LA are too busy drinking Bud Light and Tecate to care about good beer

>people saying Sweden

Definitely the most underrated cuisine in the world. A top 5 for me. Hundreds of countries are worse.

I'd say Russia.

>>7000418
This. Chile is baby-tier. They seem to be horrified by the idea of flavor.

>>7011045
It's a difficult one this because I drink mainly real ales and Bitters and I know they aren't really popular outside the UK so If I mention some commercial beers, such as John Smiths or Boddingtons . . .would that help at all? As regards American beers sold in Britain, there are not very many Budweiser is about the only one. Coors lite is advertised heavily on TV with Jon Claude Van Damme but Brits don't drink 'lite beers' . . . .although I do recall a beer called Colt 45 which was sold here years ago but it tasted of glue and bananas!

The most common Lagers are Fosters (aussies will be spitting bricks at that) and Stella Artois (Belgian) closely followed by Carlsburg.

>>7010801
>There are Americans that actually believe this too

>>7011136
I saw Brooklyn Brewery fucking everywhere in London, which was kind of surprising as they aren't even that good amongst american craft brewers. I stopped by a good beer focused liquor store to try a bunch of local stuff while I was there and they had a lot of american stuff (but its crazy how expensive beer is there, they were selling single bottles for the equivalent of ~$5 for what would go as a $8 6 pack here). Founders was the best American one I remember seeing there, but I didn't look too closely at what American ones were available. The guys working there told be about how craft beer has really been exploding there for the last 5 years but they thought they were still at least 5 years behind america.

Colt 45 is something only very poor people drink in America, I have never actually tried it myself

Also, as for you not trusting BA, they definitely aren't perfect, but I do not think it is a plausible argument that they overrate american beer, americans fucking love drinking foreign beer, BA definitely overrated Belgians and German beer for example.

>>7011143
Pizza as the modern world knows it was invented by Italian immigrants in america. Very roughly based on traditional Italian recipes, but America is really responsible for its modern form and for popularizing it

>>7010825
So this Wisconsin place I always see Americans go on about because of muh microcheeseries actually just make Kraft style fake cheese?

>>7011168
>Americans
You mean WIDF.

And yes.

>>7010843
A reminder that Britain has more breweries than the USA even including muh microbrewery retardation. As does Germany and any other European nation that is into beer.

I'm so sick of you Americans shitposting, dear god.

>>7011168
its just a meme

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>>7000521
some is good some is garbage, but you could say that for most cuisines.
pancit, lumpia and lechon lechon are good.
what ever the blood sauce and the tripe soup are is nasty.
source: waifu is Flip and her mom exclusively makes Flip food when we visit

>>7011173
>A reminder that Britain has more breweries than the USA even including muh microbrewery retardation
No, this is not true

Its not even close

I can go to any random super market and find a better beer selection than is available anywhere else in the world

>>7001739
food in SA is fucking awesome, can't vouch for SOWETO tier though

>>7011173
Reminder that you completely pulled that out of your ass.

>>7011162
I have never heard of Founders or Brooklyn Brewery.
And Colt 45 Was something I remember from the early 1980's .

Listen London is not at all representative of England, it's a tourist trap. I recall speaking to a Japanese guy on an RPG and he told me (in broken English) that he was looking forward to having a weeks holiday in London to learn about British culture??? . . .My heart sank and I nearly cried as I told him that you can find every culture under the sun in London but not English . . . . .surely you must have noticed that as well?

>>7011173
>even including muh microbrewery retardation
What the fuck kind of terrible person with bad taste thinks the craft beer trend is bad?

>>7011198
London surely is ahead of the rest of england when it comes to good beer

>>7011198
BNP detected

We have people like you in the states, they legitimately believe that cities are unamerican

As an outsider, who works for a company that does business with companies in the UK all the time, allow me to inform you that London is the only thing that matters, London is synonymous with Britain to us, and I find it funny when I say "let's meet at such-and-such london time" and it's the 1 in 1000 people who live elsewhere and they get butthurt and say they're in Buttfuck-on-River.

Also whenever this happens I know the meeting is going to be a clusterfuck because their internet will keep shitting itself and everyone else on the call will have to banter while that person reconnects.

>>7011211
Are you serious? . . .None of the best breweries are in the Capital . .. None!

>>7006447
Costa Rica -> Gallo Pinto and ceviche is pretty good. You'll find it all over central america, though
Fried plantains are gross, though. no flavor and too oily

>>7011228
what do you consider to be the best british breweries?

>>7011228
I am talking about availability, not necessarily production (though I am somewhat skeptical of your claim)

Are you saying if I go to a random pub in northern england I am likely to find a better selection of beer than a random pub in a somewhat touristy part of London?

>>7011223
>London is synonymous with Britain to us
Bigger fool you.

London is NOTHING like the rest of Britain but if you continue in your blinkered manner, you will just end up appearing more ridiculous than you have already!

>>7011246
Yeah, I've noticed. For instance the rest of Britain still has dialup.

>>7011245
Yes.
Even though I am a Southerner (South West actually) Find a decent country pub and you get a much better selection!

>>7008576
>What do you do with the blood, the intestines, the excess fat? What happens with the bones?

pet food, fertilizer, sell it to estonian restaurants

>>7011253
Now you are just being stupid!

>>7010876
Thanks, I was worried that it was your best. I will try to track down some Californian cheese and remember to avoid anything originating in Wisconsin.

>Americans will never stop shitposting about how their food like product is the best in the world

>>7011318
>Euros will never stop shitposting about how the US is literally the worst at everything

>>7011205
Nobody does, it's just that in normal countries we simply call it beer. Only Americans have to invent some super special little snowflake name up for when you finally made a couple of beers deemed drinkable.

>>7011183
Hmm, turns out it was the most breeweries in the world per head

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/sep/11/good-beer-guide-2015-uk-most-breweries-per-head-population

Which is actually half the number of breweries in the USA, so
America 300 million and 3,000 breweries,
UK 64 million and 1,400 breweries
Go Britain. But I'm sure you won't let facts get in the way of your shitposting, you are American after all.

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>>7011223
>BNP detected

>We have people like you in the states, they legitimately believe that cities are unamerican
>London is 47% English

>>7011352
You said more breweries, not more per capita. You were wrong, just own up to it. You're embarrassing yourself.

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>>7011363
I think you meant to post this

>>7011268
You don't make blood sausages from the blood? You don't make sausage casings from the intestines? You don't sell the fat for baking/frying?

>>7011331
But you are the worst at everything except getting shot.

Mongolian.
They have nothing but steppes, horses, and random meats. You want some bland flatbread with roasted.....whatever, and some fermented mare's milk? Yay.

>>7011366
What part of me admitting I was wrong and posting the correction with sources don't you get?

>>7011341
>in normal countries we simply call it beer.
No, no you don't

The best selling beer in every one of your countries is terrible

Only belgium was really making a significant quality of good beer before the craft beer boom began in america. Luckily for us all the trend is starting to spread through the anglosphere and northern europe, but you guys still have a long way to come

>>7011392
>This nigga and his Belgium obsession again

Admit it, you are from Belgium but know that you are an easy target for bullying so you are using America as a shield.

>>7011352
To be fair, the vast majority of those english breweries are not making quality product, usually just one or two weak ales, they just do not have the quality spirit that is embodied by amrican style craft beer (though a few of them are starting to. My favorite beer I tried there was from a brewery called "Wild Weather Ales")

>>7011408
I've never even been to Belgium, but I think almost all beer experts agree they are the best Europe has to offer

>>7011425
>I have never been
>But I know it's the best

Wew lad.

>>7011434
I don't see the issue, all of that food tastes nice.

What, because it doesn't have quinnells and garnishes or little blobs of foam that makes it terrible? Not wanting to eat food because of how it looks is something a little girl would do.

>>7011435
People who know more than myself sem to agree it is the best in europe, I am gonna trust them over you.

and of course of european beer I have tried the Belgian stuff has been by far the best, with the british stuff second, and Irish 3rd (though I have not tried any scandanavian beers and I hear they are starting to make some good stuff). All the central european stuff I have tried was incredibly mediocre

>>7011440
>People who know more than myself sem to agree it is the best in europe
I'm not interested in some bloated faggots opinion. I want to hear your opinion. I want to know about your experiences, about your tastes.

Professional critics are the roaches of the culinary world.

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>>7011452
Well I am currently drinking this beer and I can say it is better than anything I have ever tried from Europe

and I wasn't really talking about professional critics, just the general consensus amongst people who have tried a lot of different beer

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>>7011277
>I will try to track down some Californian cheese
Just be careful about that, America isn't Europe and we don't believe in AOC laws to help consumers know what they're getting. Instead it's on the individual to autistically track every single brand and product ever sold. So you can't really say "California cheese is good" any more than you can say "California wine is good". Some of it is great, and some of it is shit.

The Monterey Jack cheese you complained about originated in California, just for some perspective.

The Humboldt Fog stuff mentioned in this thread (and others) is pretty good, it's common enough here that maybe you could find it in Europe. You want to eat it when it's fairly ripe, if possible. The part under the rind should be fairly melted, even at fridge temperature. If it's solid and crumbly all the way through, it was cut too soon.

>remember to avoid anything originating in Wisconsin.
This part is fine. At its best, Wisconsin cheese is inoffensive bland nothingness. At its worst, it's inedible trash.

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>>7011682
>implying you should ever go off just a placename when buying a product

Place designations in european law only encourage shitty quality, they allow corporations to coast off of the name people built long ago fucking over competitors in any other regions. As in all cases, anti-competition laws only favor entrenched corporations at the expense of both consumers and all other companies, the exact antithesis of capitalism

>>7011682
>This part is fine. At its best, Wisconsin cheese is inoffensive bland nothingness. At its worst, it's inedible trash.
yeah, except that a plurality of America's quality cheese is made there

>>7011682
>This part is fine. At its best, Wisconsin cheese is inoffensive bland nothingness. At its worst, it's inedible trash.
You're an idiot. The only American cheese imported into France is from Wisconsin. There are plenty of great cheesemakers in Wisconsin

>>7011743
Not even close to true. We've been the nation's third-most dairy-producing state for decades, far behind California, and speaking specifically of cheese, we're behind five others, including Vermont.

>>7011743
>brokenrecordnoises.mp3
>>7011737
It works both ways. A region can afford one or two shitty producers leeching off the rest but not a broad decline in standards. It is in the collective (try to contain your butthurt over this word) interest to maintain standards.

For example, when the chianti region became synonymous with shit wine, prices went down and picky buyers went for other stuff. The value of the geographic designation was damaged so badly that some producers stopped using the name, hence why super tuscans became a thing.

>>7011761
>The only American cheese imported into France is from Wisconsin.
Is it sold for practical jokes, or what? The French have a strange sense of humor.

>>7011763
>third-most dairy-producing state for decades, far behind California, and speaking specifically of cheese, we're behind five others, including Vermont.
This is not true. Wisconsin is second in dairy thanks to California's massive factory farms for skim milk and process cheese (and California is a much larger place), but Wisconsin is and has been for a very long time number one in real cheese production

>>7011777
Are you stupid?

>>7011765
The fact is, quality has nothing to do with where something is made. Place designation laws never result in a better product (why would they?). There is absolutely no benefit to anyone other than entrenched corporations with these laws

>>7011765
>It works both ways
Name one way in which these laws result in higher quality product

>>7011786
>Real cheese
Made of genuine real non-fake milk, I'm sure. Way to set a high bar for yourselves.

>>7011797
By real cheese I am only contrasting it with Kraft process cheese more common in California

>>7011796
Sure. Read the rest of my post.

>>7011793
>quality has nothing to do with where something is made
A product doesn't automatically get AOC status just from being physically made in a certain location. It has to pass certain quality and style standards. Whether these standards are high, or even particularly specific, is up to the region. The ones that do a good job of this get a good reputation and can command a high price. The ones that don't, don't.
>There is absolutely no benefit to anyone other than entrenched corporations with these laws
There is a major benefit to the consumer, because the consumer can make reasonable inferences about what the product is going to taste like without having purchased it before.

>>7011818
I did, your example is just another reason why place designations are not meaningful

Economic protectionism is such an outdated ideology, it blows my mind that so many people still advocate it. Its not 1750 anymore

>>7011830
>It has to pass certain quality and style standards.
Thats another issue altogether. It is logical to require products marketed as something to meet that category's quality specification, this has nothing to do with where something is made. The quality of of a product should be all that really matters

>>7011831
>ideology
You're the one being ideological here. Your irrational free market fundamentalism tells you that the free market will magically work everything out if manufacturers can lie and sell garbage masquerading as something else.

Sure, in the long run word gets around. But meanwhile a lot of people end up consuming garbage. This turns markets into a zero-sum game.

Believing it's good to know what you're getting when you buy something is straight up a good thing. I am amazed that anyone could argue against this.

>>7011830
>There is a major benefit to the consumer, because the consumer can make reasonable inferences about what the product is going to taste like without having purchased it before.
This just isn't true. A consumer should not be tricked into thinking an item is better if it is from a specific reason. You cannot make a reasonable inference about a product just knowing where it was made, these are simply a way of tricking consumers into buying from corporations which have a strong enough position in the market to lobby the EU at the expense of everyone else

>>7011843
>You're the one being ideological here
If caring about quality over location is an ideology, yeah, I have that

>Believing it's good to know what you're getting when you buy something is straight up a good thing
Yeah, but where something is made tells you literally nothing about what you are getting. People should definitely know what they are getting, a free market only works optimally when people are educated. Tricking consumers into thinking corporations who own plots of land in the correct area make better products serves no one but these corporations. Quality standards should be all that matter

>>7006219
and an obsession with mayo in many inconceivably wrong dishes

>>7011837
>Thats another issue altogether.
No, not really.
>The quality of of a product should be all that really matters
How do you propose that people guess the quality without some kind of system? Amazon reviews?
>>7011844
>You cannot make a reasonable inference about a product just knowing where it was made
That's why you go by an AOC-like labeling system, where the geographic origins of the product are insufficient to qualify without further characteristics related to quality and style.

You can keep on repeating that it's all about the GPS coordinates of the vineyard, but that doesn't make it true.

>>7011858
>How do you propose that people guess the quality without some kind of system?

I am not saying no system should exist. I am saying Attaching place designations to any such system is anti-consumer and anti-competitive. When you kill competition through regulation not related to quality you always end up with an inferior product
>Amazon reviews?
I know you are joking, but these work very well, the internet allows us to crowd source all sorts of data collection which very much works to the consumer's advantage in a way no government program can really accomplish

>>7011858
>where the geographic origins of the product are insufficient to qualify without further characteristics related to quality and style.
But why advocate using the location at all rather than just using quality and style specifications?

>>7011852
>If caring about quality over location is an ideology, yeah, I have that
You don't care about quality. You care about your extremist free-market fantasy of a world where people can magically infer the contents of an arbitrarily labeled bottle through Yelp reviews and the rumor mill.
>a free market only works optimally when people are educated
And what exactly would they be "educated" about, if there are no objective facts to base decisions on? One day chianti is a dry wine made from chardonnay, the next it's a sweet sparkling pink wine made from zinfandel and concord grapes. Who cares, right? I mean if it really mattered consumers would revolt. Muh free market!!

>>7011867
>I know you are joking, but these work very well
A friend of mine wrote amazon reviews for a job shortly after graduation. He's living honestly now but you should really be more skeptical of what you read on the internet.
>>7011872
>But why advocate using the location at all rather than just using quality and style specifications?
When the style of the food is closely tied to geography due to terroir or tradition or both, it makes sense because there is already an established reputation.

>>7011875
I like how being against 18th century economic philosophy makes me an extremist

>>7011875
>chablis
fixed, I'm drunk. Thanks finger lakes AVA

>>7011875
please note quality designations do not require location designations

>>7011881
Sure good reviews can be faked, but this is true on all items, the bad reviews cannot be drowned out if its truly a bad item

This can be an issue with obscure items, but anything with a sizable market moves past this issue rather quickly

>>7011881
>When the style of the food is closely tied to geography due to terroir or tradition or both
Terroir is almost never a real thing, just bullshit marketing

>>7011881
>When the style of the food is closely tied to geography due to terroir or tradition or both, it makes sense because there is already an established reputation.
So what about in the very common case where experts at making a product moved to america 150 years ago. Now people in the region they were originally from claim only they should be able to use the style's name for marketing and the descendants of the true artisans can no longer use it?


Unless you own a patent or trademark on something, you should not be able to prevent people making a qualitatively equivalent product from selling it as what it is just because the corporation you work for has better government connections

>>7011895
>This can be an issue with obscure items,
We're getting closer.

AOC style systems are useful in cases where a lot of no-name agricultural producers in a region produce a product in a similar style.

It's why there is no such thing as AOC for cars, just for stuff like wine and cheese where a lot of tiny family producers in a region made similar products in a certain style.

>>7011896
Right, because sauvignon blanc grown in new zealand tastes so much like sauvignon blanc grown in the loire.

You're more of an IPA guy aren't you.

>>7011912
but most of these styles are very old, and in the time that they have existed such farmers have formed a large diaspora

>>7011920
>but most of these styles are very old
Hence why it's logical to make a system where the product has to conform to the standards of the style in order to use the name.

>such farmers have formed a large diaspora
Not sure what you're getting at here. You're arguing that if I'm descended from a guy who raised cows in a certain part of Europe, I should be able to slap the name of an AOC cheese from that part of Europe on any old dairy product I wish to sell, regardless of any resemblance or lack thereof?

>>7011918
If you can qualitatively demonstrate that a product cannot be recreated in any other region, then it is definitely a fair thing to designate.

As mentioned before though, this comes down to quality, it is completely logical to have a trade organization that only approves items that are qualitatively similar. If your product is actually sensitive to terroir (almost none of them are) they will be different, and you still wouldn't need the place designation as the quality designation would be sufficient

>>7011933
>a system where the product has to conform to the standards
I literally keep saying this is reasonable and you act as though I am not saying that

>Not sure what you're getting at here
If you make a product, and then move and continue to make the same product, there is no reason you should not be able to call it by the style that it is
>regardless of any resemblance or lack thereof
Where do you get this from? I am clearly saying that its resemblance to the style is all that matters, not where it is made

>>7011942
So then, you do or do not object to california "chablis"?

It seems to me you were saying it's obsolete economic protectionism meant to protect some anonymous guy in burgundy who owns a couple of hectares that he inherited from his dad that he works by hand.

>>7011969
I am saying if you cannot tell the difference between two products they should be considered the same thing regardless of where they were produced

>>7011969
>meant to protect some anonymous guy
These laws were clearly designed by and for the european agrocorporations \. the same people who have lobbied european governments into banning GMO crops. Its entirely a way to attack products made by other companies in other areas and has nothing to do with quality

>>7011982
I think you'll find such cases are so rare as to be irrelevant.

>>7011985
>the same people who have lobbied european governments into banning GMO crops
Sounds like they have the right idea.
>Its entirely a way to attack products made by other companies in other areas and has nothing to do with quality
Europeans don't want starlink corn in their food. I don't blame them.

>>7011991
If your product is better, why would you need place designations?

>>7012004
>Sounds like they have the right idea.
Please learn a little science

>>7011991
>I think you'll find such cases are so rare as to be irrelevant.
Maybe with wine (though I doubt it), but with cheese it is incredibly common.There is no cheese that can only be made in one location, an even moderately talented cheesemaker can replicate pretty much any style with sufficient education

>>7012012
Exactly. You don't see Cathy Corison stealing foreign place designations for her wines. It's only shit-tier producers doing this.

>>7012027
They tend to call it something else though, usually based on the new location, because they don't want to be associated with the likes of Sargento and their ilk.

>>7012033
sometimes maybe, but there are a lot of cheesemakers in america and even in non-politically connected parts of europe that have been making cheese of various styles for generations which only in recent times the EU has tried to steal the name away from them to give it to their cronies in whatever corporation controls most of the land in the designated area

>>7012042
Any time you have rules, there are going to be cases where the rules result in things you didn't intend.

Not everyone is going to be happy, but I'd rather have some guy in transdnistria getting butthurt that his feta isn't recognized by the EU, than having the Cheese Corporation of Greater Wisconsin pushing fake Robila due latti in counterfeit packaging sold at full price and I don't even discover it until I get home because ron paul said it was how we fight the commies.

>>7012056
But you do not need place designations to have quality standards, why do you keep falling back to this unrelated point?

>>7012065
No, but sometimes it's the most reasonable thing to base it on. Why do you keep intentionally twisting the argument into something that it isn't?

>>7012070
>but sometimes it's the most reasonable thing to base it on
No, it is never more reasonable to base it of the location something is made rather than what it qualitatively is

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>>7010763
>Please recall most of northern and western europe's smartest people moved to america in the 1800s

>>7012076
When what it qualitatively is is the natural outcome of geography and human history in the region, it becomes a purely semantic problem to ask what it's "based on".

>>7012088
>When what it qualitatively is is the natural outcome of geography and human history in the region,
When is this ever the case with cheese?

If you can blindly put two products side by side and say they are the same type of product, it simply should not matter if one is from a politically connected region.

Please do not forget that america was settled by the very people who created these traditions, so its ridiculous and arbitrary to say one subset of their descendants can claim the tradition while others that chose to live in a nicer place cannot. Not only that but these laws say Mohamed who moves to the correct part of Europe to escape turmoil in his homeland and knows nothing of cheesemaking can now make this cheese while a family farm in Wisconsin that has been making a top tier form of this cheese for generations cannot just because the EU wants to fuck over american producers

>>7012104
>tl;dr
Now you're just doing that "we went to the moon" thing

Yeah yeah america #1. While this is true, I find that only the most boring people resort to this, usually when they've run out of anything worthwhile to say

And on that note, good night to you, or maybe I'll see you in another thread. I'm drunk, but not passed out drunk yet