there are people who think this is wrong

>>731096435
I think its a great idea

>>731096435
spend 50 billion dollars on a wall.
doesn't include tech to watch the wall
doesn't include the manpower to guard the wall
instead of spending 49.9 billion dollars on humans guarding a $100 million dollar 5ft fence

>>731096435
It's a retarded waste of resources. Will do absolutely nothing to stop illegals. Not to mention illegals pay taxes yet get no government benefits. Now I could get behind an army of drones. I bet that might be cost effective. But the wall is fucking idiotic. Shows a complete lack of engineering knowledge.

>>731096435
is that fucking google sketchup

Kind of on the spectrum, aren't you?

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I'd pay five thousand dollars to have my name engraved in giant letters on the Mexican side of a panel, along with the words, "NOT WELCOME".

For ANOTHER five thousand, I'd have enormous, sharpened, steel rods jutting out of that panel to dissuade any would-be climbers of that wall.

>>731096814
engineering knowledge has nothing to do with how effective a wall would be, just how one would be built you moron

imagine being the guy who has to go and check on the wall that is 200 miles away from the nearest border patrol building.
hey john, i think somebody just climbed our impenetrable wall.
go grab them.
4hr drive later through rugged terrain
gottem!!!!
now drive 4hrs back.

hope you don't get a flat.

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>>731097207
>steel rods jutting out of that panel
you just gave them something to climb with

>>731097232
Literally half of my engineering education was spent on cost effectiveness. It will be a huge waste of resources that will never see a return on investment. That is business. Trump is promoting a brand, and this is part of his brand. It's fucking marketing bullshit.

Air planes exist
Just saying...

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>>731097270
>"imagine being the guy who has to go and check on the wall"
>what is satellite imaging

>>731096435
I live near the border in Texas and if they start building the wall then I'm going to go shoot some of the workers to hinder construction.

>>731096626
do you realize how much money the government spends supporting immigrants that are here illegally?

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>>731097408
Did I? Did I, friend?

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>>731097467
>he thinks movies is real life
drones is one thing but satellites

>>731097467
But if they have satellites positioned in geosynchronous orbit to monitor the wall, why not just use those to watch for illegal border crossings?

>>731097559
very little lol. How exactly is the government paying for anything for them?

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>>731097207

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https://youtu.be/h7OyzcdvEyY

it will be 50 billion a year

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>>731097408
KEK'd

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>>731097689
8 years, friend.

8

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqEddipbpkw

>>731096435
there are people that think this will actually happen

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>>731096435

i know right! they should be also install a moat to keep the black knight at bay!

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>>731097207
lol fuck mexico

The wall is simply a symbolic measure. Most illegal immigrants come over legally and then stay past the amount of time they are supposed to.

The wall won't physically stop people from entering the country, but mentally it probably will.

>>731096435
It's not that it's wrong, it's stupid.

>>731097784
>broken love doll

That must be the Christy Mack model.

>>731096435
He literally cut funding to the coast guard and TSA to try and help fund this waste. Most immigrants get here via plane and just overstay their visa. So ignoring mountains and rivers that you wouldn't be able to build on, but now the coast guard can't do their namesake, and the TSA can't operate well enough to prevent actual dangerous contraband.
The US isn't the only country with flying tech and boats, you know

>>731098097
>The wall is simply a symbolic measure.
Can we pay for it with symbolic money?

>>731098097
MOST sure as hell cross illegally

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>>731097478
fuck off carlos reported you to ICE

>>731097440
you must be 18+ to post here.

>>731098178
I wish, i think the wall is a fucking retarded idea. Trump is a damn retard, but his policies have already had the effect of curbing immigration. Which if your a supporter is a good thing.

>>731096435

Wrong as in morally wrong? It's not. Countries have a right to secure their borders.

Wrong as in stupid, wasteful, and ineffectual? Yep.

Who knows whether it will actually get built, though? Trump has gone from "We're gonna build a big, beautiful wall and make MEXICO pay for it!" to "We're gonna build a wall and make the American taxpayer pay for it, but Mexico's gonna pay us back later, just you wait and see!" to "Plz Congress, can I just have some money for a wall, a chainlink fence, something?!" to "Uh, yeah, we'll, uh, work on that wall later."

I suspect in a couple of years it's going to be "Wall? What wall? Did someone say something about building a wall? Fake news again, folks!"

>>731098178
yeah
symbolically Mexico will pay for it.
our taxes will go up at first
but then Mexico will somehow give every tax payer some money back
don't worry about the details
just remember that even though we are paying for the wall, we will somehow get that money back.

>>731098254
Yeah, you say that because your dumb. Most illegal immigrants fly or drive over like the rest of the fucking world travels you moron.

You really think that many fucking immigrants come over hiking across arid wasteland with little to no resources? Your fucking stupid.

>>731096814
>>731097420
From a 2013 report/

Illegal immigration costs U.S. taxpayers about $113 billion a year at the federal, state and local level. The bulk of the costs — some $84 billion — are absorbed by state and local governments.


Most illegal aliens do not pay income taxes. Among those who do, much of the revenues collected are refunded to the illegal aliens when they file tax returns. Many are also claiming tax credits resulting in payments from the U.S. Treasury.

Many immigrants wire a majority of their money back home, where it is taxed by mexico.

>>731098267
How many construction workers do you think will have to die before others begin refusing to work?

>>731096435
Morally reprehensible? No, not really.

Ineffective, wasteful, and antagonistic to a neighbor and trading partner. That's what I think. If we're going to spend tens of billions of dollars on something, we could at least do it on something that will help us.

>>731098503
>Most illegal aliens do not pay income taxes.
>llegal aliens when they file tax returns.

>>731098503
>From a 2013 report
>does not post report

>>731098503
I love people like you who focus on small time tax aversion and dont look at the gigantic companies who roll around in federal money like its no big deal.

What about walmart? Walmart uses federal money to subsidize its employees healthcare by ensuring the employees make so little that they qualify for government sponsored health insurance.

Mexican here, people around here literally laugh at your wall. It is very clear you dumbshits who support it have very little understanding of engineering, border control or foreign policy work. Go ahead, build it, I bet it will never happen. And just so you know you voted a dumbass into the Whitehouse and you were stupid enough to trust him because he thinks like you, that sounds an awful lot like what happens in Mexico, friends. The US is the embodiment of the Dunning-Krugger effect. Face it everything that made America great came from foreigners.

>>731098593
To a shitty neighbor. How bow dah

The Trump Wall Now Estimated to Cost $21.6 billion

http://www.investopedia.com/news/how-much-will-trumps-wall-really-cost/

Factory jobs exist, CEOs tell Trump. Skills don’t.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/factory-jobs-exist-ceos-tell-trump-skills-dont/

These 2 go together.

>>731097631
This post is so fucking ignorant and retarded that I'm having difficulty even conceiving over where to begin with to educate your ass.

Actually, nevermind. Totally fruitless.

But I will go ahead and clue you in that illegals participate in many of the same programs legal people do. They slip between the cracks and they receive benefits from welfare just like everyone else.

Which is fucking expensive.

>>731099036
>Factory jobs exist, CEOs tell Trump. Skills don’t.
>http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/factory-jobs-exist-ceos-tell-trump-skills-dont/
>when the sad truth isn't that immigrants are taking your job its that you're not qualified for the job so they find immigrants.

>>731097207
I happen to be an engineer on the project. Do you have a paypal account? Send the funds and I'll make sure your name gets engraved. The spikes are probably a no -go though. We'll see

>>731098503
>im upset that illegal aliens come to this country
>im not upset that American citizens pay these illegals under the table
this is why i never understood the hate against illegals.
illegals come here not because they can but because American citizens allow them to work here.

don't hate the player, hate the game.
the player came here illegally
the player works here illegally
the player lives here illegally

blame the person who hires the illegals
blame the person who houses the illegals
blame the person who allows them to store their money in their banks
blame the person who gives them access to credit

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>>731098935
>Mexico, a borderline 3rd wolrd country full of drug lords and all associated crime and violence.
>Laughing at anything America, one of the most prosperous nations on earth, does
>Mexicans, who risk it all just for a chance to fucking live her at all, shitty or not

>>731098935
Amen brother, In my eyes you and all other mexicans/immigrants from all countries are welcome in America. You make our country a better place. Please just don't let your children, the children of immigrants like every US citizen become so hateful towards people who want to come to this great country!

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>>731099036
Ted Cruz is getting congress to pass the El Chapo Act to use drug money seized from el chapo and other cartels to pay for the wall. el chapo himself has $14 billion

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>>731097207
Dumbass

>>731096435
Yeah, "those people" are smart. A physical wall is a major waste of money since major border traffic events occur under ground (google tunnel drug busts), by sea(cartel submarines), and air (drug catapulting). Also, the wall project is going to be using an immigrant workforce. The US would literally be sending billions of dollars to mexico. A paper celebrity potus is shooting off his mouth and America pays for it.

>>731099261
>blame the person who hires the illegals
>blame the person who houses the illegals
>blame the person who allows them to store their money in their banks
>blame the person who gives them access to credit
You're going to have a hard time convincing these people to act against their economic interests.

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>>731099250
>I happen to be an engineer on the project.

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>>731099347
8 years, friendo.

>>731099423
Also, intentionally not hiring/housing/etc illegals is wacist and probably illegal on some level here in California.

>>731096626
This

>>731099461
>memes a response to an obvious troll post
>being this retarded

>test

>>731099464
Dont give a shit thats hes president, i just dont like how he's gonna build a useless wall, which will only encourage drug trade since they will be hard to get, and will make coyotes and drug dealers more money

>>731099532
im pretty sure its illegal to knowingly hire/house illegals.
it's just "don't ask; don't tell"

>>731099261
>blame the person who hires the illegals
If yu lost your job to an illegal you only have yourself to blame for being that easily replaced. Maybe if you had more than a GED you wouldn't be so easily replaced.

The best thing to do is repeal the immigration act of 1965. Rather than focus on a wall

Was posting in a few pol threads earlier, someone might recognize me. I have owned my own concrete company for two years now, started straight out of highschool. I do stamps and overlays and many other things that most contractors dont do anymore because it is to expensive and is really only for the 1%. Over the past few weeks I have had a couple visits from a few suit dummys from the state while we do set-ups and pours. Im usually fucking with a chute or floating or mopping while they are doing whatever it is they do, but i have noticed they always have their stopwatch out on their phones.
All the contractors in my area have a tight community where they drink and hunt together and shit, but there all about 70 so they dont really invite me to often. However, while coonin last Friday I heard a couple of them talking kinda low about the same thing i was experiencing on my sites, suit dummys asking questions.
>my opinion on this
That wall is going to be built by an army of small private contractors working together to get it done. I think. I may be wrong though. What do you guys think?

>>731098178
All money is symbolic.
Mexico won't pay for it. Our taxes won't pay for it. It will tack on to the debt, the feds will print more money. Eventually a loaf of bread will be 12 bucks.

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>>731099767
That can be fixed. Let those who overdose on drugs die, that way the hospital system is being fixed AND cartels ultimately have one-less customer.

I agree that immigration needs to be WAY better than its current form, but a wall is about the most idiotic, most USELESS way to do it. You give someone a FIXED obstacle, and you don't think they'll figure out how to get around it? And 2000 miles of it??

Waste of money, not to mention the tax payers are gonna pay for the fucking thing. Trump has yet to do anything to convince me that he's capable of returning the money OR even giving a shit about repaying the money.

I'm sorry but the dude has a reputation of not paying his workers, I'm not into the idea of loaning him 21billion (and it's government work so...times that by 2)

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Yeah, i'm one of them faggot!

>>731100012
Now lets get an answer from somebody who's not a complete retard

>>731099464
I laughed too hard at this.

>>731099356
This.

>>731097467
Satellite fires a laser, instantly vaporizing the illegals. I like it, add another 20 bil.

>>731099833
Yes but here in the land of fruits and nuts it would not be out of the ordinary to have laws the conflict with each other like that. Fed says one thing, state or local says the exact opposite or some combination.

Much like the sanctuary city battle going on right now. Places that are "sanctuary cities" refuse to comply with (but will not actively hinder) Fed immigration operations. Trump is trying to withhold/reduce federal monies going to these places that refuse to cooperate, but they still want the $$$ and now it's a big thing.

Plus there's always the court of public opinion where emotion always wins.

>>731099982
Sounds good. Keep us updated.

>>731099423
Of course because the people profiting control the government. Both parties know that if you put the CEO of Hilton on trial for conspiracy to violate federal law for hiring illegal housekeepers, porters and cooks that this would end really quick.

But this way business makes thier money, both parties get a platform, and some unlucky brown people get imprisoned and deported.

>>731099261

Hate? Why do libtards automatically assume that if someone is opposed to something there is hate or racism at the core?

>>731096435
People in berlin?

>>731100367
Can't do. Republicucks cut the science budget to bear bones. We'll just have to spend the 20 bill for more Milwaukee's Beast to give the border Patriots to camp out and help ICE.

I can buy a rope for about $20 and get over the wall. It's a stupid idea. Not to mention that most illegals are visa overstays. But hey, who needs facts when there's an endless supply of taxpayer money.

>>731100398
>Places that are "sanctuary cities" refuse to comply with (but will not actively hinder) Fed immigration operations. Trump is trying to withhold/reduce federal monies going to these places that refuse to cooperate, but they still want the $$$ and now it's a big thing.
The cities will likely win. The fact that they aren't actively hindering the feds is the sticking point. If the feds want to enforce federal law then they need to have federal agents doing it. City cops have better shit to do.

>>731100685
Yeah usually it's just plain old avarice

>>731100685
>racism was never metioned, retard.
i said hate because most people who oppose illegals generally don't like illegals....because they came here illegally...not because of their race....retard

>>731098659

> deliberately ignoring a part of the sentence creating fake news..lol

>>731100012
Yea but that doesnt fix the promise trump sayed about stopping the cartels from coming to the u.s with the wall, making the wall extremely useless and a waste of money.

>>731097631
Well I know that all the Mexicans I work with who are illegal some fucking how get tax returns without ever paying a cent in taxes, they get EBT cards, and free housing. But other than that they probably don't cost us a cent

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>>731100133
Awesome retort. Great size. Look thick. Solid. Tight. Keep us all posted on your continued rebuttals with any new progress arguments or v-logs. Show us what you got man. Wanna see how freakin' huge, solid, thick and tight you can refute me. Thanks for the motivation.

>>731101000
>much of the revenues collected are refunded to the illegal aliens when they file tax returns. Many are also claiming tax credits resulting in payments from the U.S. Treasury.

assuming that they are not defrauding the system then what they are doing is totally legal

>>731098822

I agree that the number might be high, but it all depends on who you ask. Pro-illegal immigration democrats will have it low, anti-illegal immigration will have it high. The point is that even if it is half of this estimation, it still voids the argument that a one time cost of $50 billion for a wall is fiscally unsound.

>>731099347
how do they get down from the tall concrete wall afterward?

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>>731099347
He's climbing from the "in" side of the fence.

>>731101819
Wow, razor wire. I hope Mexico doesn't have wire cutters.

>>731100916

> pretending like the 2 accusations are not interchangeable by liberal cunts like yourself.

>>731101759
A magical thing called rope

>>731101938
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ygFeywrvjc

>>731098347
No really, they do.

>>731098886
I love people like you who fill in the blanks literally putting words in my mouth. What makes you think I'm OK with corporate welfare let alone any kind of entitlements?

Also jk about the love part actually hate.

>>731098935
>3rd worlder from violent corrupt shithole where police are beheaded weighs in on why US needs him to perpetuate human slavery by picking strawberries for 2 dollars an hour and also it's good to take in more people and pay for their living costs to further inflate your unsustainable welfare state democrat policy has propagated

Thank you and goodbye.

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>>731101947
>implying implications

>>731096435
>wrong
good try.

>>731097559
>do you realize how much money the government spends supporting immigrants that are here illegally?
That's the problem. Beaners don't want to cut off their buddies from south of the border from the goodies, and politicians are too weak to do so.

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>>731101819
This >>731101938 and this

If the U.S. ended the Drug War then Mexico wouldn't be in the grips of cartel violence and it would improve to the point where they'd stop being a place people illegally emigrate from.

>>731101306

I never did say that the filing of taxes or the accepting of the tax refund were illegal. Again, you are attacking a portion of the sentence rather than comprehending the point. People make the argument that SOME illegal immigrants do file taxes. But how is that helpful when they get most of that money back in refunds and services?

>>731096435
There are people who think taxes magically grow on trees.

I ain't paying for that shit.

>>731097478
>I live near the border in Texas
Doubtful.

FUCK BLIMPF

>>731097559
And how much of that is paid back in taking taxes from those said illegal immigrants?

Ill give you a hint: Its 12billion dollars.

Trump got a crowd to cheer that they are losing healthcare & are paying for a wall that was previously told Mexico would pay for. Amazing

https://twitter.com/tonyposnanski/status/858477532710137856

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>>731101819
Also

>>731099081
>But I will go ahead and clue you in that illegals participate in many of the same programs legal people do. They slip between the cracks and they receive benefits from welfare just like everyone else.

Proof?

>>731099423
Jail and fines are good for that.

>>731100012
...And leave lawyers without a job?

>>731102470
>Most illegal aliens do not pay income taxes
> Among those who do (the minority)
>Many are also (sub-section of the minority)

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/05/tax-credits-for-illegal-immigrants/
Generally, illegal immigrants don’t qualify for Social Security, Medicare or other federal benefits, except for emergency medical treatment in hospitals. And since passage of the 1996 welfare reform law, they have been ineligible for the refundable portion of the Earned Income Tax Credit as well.

so even the minority of people who do file taxes...the minority of those people still cannot claim
>social security (even though they pay into it)
>medicare (even though they pay into it)
>other federal benefits (even though they pay into it)
and
ineligible for the refundable portion of the Earned Income Tax Credit

>>731096626
So, the border between Mexico and the US is just under 2,000 miles long. If you had 3, 8 hour shifts, and you just had some dude randomly show up and stand there with no equipment for 8 hours a day, every 1/8 of a mile at minimum wage with no equipment it would cost roughly $1.4 Billion a year.

To be perfectly honest, if you can build a fucking wall that will last 25 years without simply falling over, it's more than worth $50 billion to ICE.

>>731102814
>start cracking down on illegals at work
>switch business up so you're hiring independent contractors(which you are not required to ask residency status)
>Profit

>>731102638


So I can steal $50 from you as long as i give you $12 back? Brilliant m8.

>>731099982
You're gonna' be underbid by KBR and Cheney.

>>731102709
>>731102398
>>731099347
>going to all that trouble
>not just ramming it with a toyota

>>731101280
It's because thier children are US citizens you fucking mong. Fixing this would require a constitutional convention. God knows what kind of monstrosity would come of this given the functional government we have today.

>>731103212
That too

>>731103275
>God knows what kind of monstrosity would come of this given the functional government we have today.
Nothing would change, you couldn't get anywhere close to the needed votes for an amendment like that.

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>>731102728
Nice try

>>731101819
What's an easy way to defeat razor wire?
An old piece of carpet. Throw it over the wire.

>>731103128
exactly
a wall won't stop anybody
if unmanned, mexicans will just
tear down a section big enough for a human to fit through
build a ladder
build a tunnel

at least manpower would stop all who enter illegally

>>731096435
Yeah, those people are called mentally ill.

I really want to hear more about the people who are hiring illegal immigrants. Why aren't they the bad guys here? If we seriously wanted to crack down on illegal immigration, make it a felony to hire illegal immigrants and actually enforce it. Put some contractors and meatpackers in jail.

>>731103626
You couldn't possibly arrest enough people to make it worth it to hire American.

>>731097559
You totally missed the point (no surprise, this is the internet after all). He is advocating the money be spent differently, not that it shouldn't be spent.

>>731103275
>It's because their children are US citizens you fucking mong.
Send the illegal parents back where they came from. Put their brats in the Army

google Israeli West Bank barrier

The shit works you retards.

>>731103605
>coyote crosser: *points gun at first wetback* cross, if you don't die, the money you owe me will be cut in half.
*BOOM*
>coyote crosser: *points gun at second wetback* cross, if you don't die, the money you owe me

>>731097420
A wall needs workers to build it. I think it's more about making jobs than keeping immigrants out, kinda like the Hoover dam. It doesn't matter how much it costs to build as long as it gets a lot of people working and making money so they can spend that money and strengthen the economy.

>>731103605
I like your idea.

>>731103275
And we are the only country in the world with the stupid anchor baby law.

>>731098978
>completely unaware of how global politics work

>>731103763
>>google Israeli West Bank barrier
>>The shit works you retards.
This isn't Israel, you fucking idiot.

>>731103777
A wall needs workers to be built but not that many. Those jobs would be few and they would be short. And the more people employed the shorter the job will be.

>>731103709
Totally agree, illegal immigrants are doing jobs that would *not exist* at American prices.

>>731103985
Yea America isn't an apartheid state anymore.

>>731103985
Since you like wetbacks so much why don't you invite some illegals to live with you?

All you assclowns need to remember, walls work both ways. Soon, you won't be able to flee when shit goes downhill.

>>731104038
fucking liberals...

>>731096435

I don't think it's morally wrong. In fact, that doesn't even come into my mind when considering the feasibility and price-effect ratio of such a wall.

Anyone who takes a step back and looks at the idea rationally can see it's just a silly knee jerk reaction to please idiot voters who don't live anywhere near the border. I live in Texas and grew up here... most people think a border wall would just mean the federal government overstepping it's boundaries. Again.

>there are people who think hillary and trump are on different sides.

>>731104144
since you like walls so much, go build it yourself.

>>731104229
Yea economics is very liberal, facts having opinions and all.

>>731104085
>>Yea America isn't an apartheid state anymore.
Israel is, jewboy

>>731104183
I'm white, the only people who need to worry are mexicans and niggers.

>>731103626
im this guy>>731099982

I have never hired an illegal myself, but I have worked with them all of my life. In the past 7 years i have been doing this job, I only ever met one i disliked because he stole some equipment. One of my closest friends is an illegal and is also who i send my hands to so they can start an apprenticeship. He has been living here for 10 years and has two kids in the same high school i went to. He dosent drink or smoke, he goes to church every sunday and is always volunteering to do shit in our town. Hes such a better person than me, it sometimes makes me mad.

>>731103094
You are conveniently forgetting a major factor. Their children. Their education and healthcare do make up a huge portion of what illegal immigration does cost. They get an ITIN and file taxes without social security numbers and are eligible to receive tax credits for their children.

**In 2010, ITIN filers paid a total of $0.9 billion in income taxes and received cash payments of $4.9 billion. **

>>731103456
You are bad at reading.

I said that it is mathematically worth it to build a wall.

You're OBVIOUSLY going to have people. But you can't have people watching every square inch of the border. Completely impractical. You need a barrier of some kind for trained humans to defend.

If over the course of 10 years you would spend $50 billion on untrained personnel who are literally a human wall, why would you not simply spend the money on an infrastructure bill, which is good for the economy, and engineer a structure that can do the same effective thing with less man power and last longer? It would save money in the long run and in the short term it will be an injection of federal cash into the economy during a slow down.

There's really no reason to not build a wall between mexico and the US other than "you don't like the idea" or "someone will still get through somehow". Which are stupid fucking reasons.

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>>731103773

It's OK. We'll make more.

>>731104183
if you are an American, you are taxed no matter where you live.
american, living in canada for 30 years?
hope you notify the IRS about it.

>>731096435
I was under the impression that "The Wall" was more of a metaphor for a while. I don't think there's anything wrong with controlling your borders, I just don't think an actual wall is the best way to go about it.
I mean, wouldn't it make more sense to have some combination of satellites, drones with long linger time, and rapid response teams stationed at key traffic points?

>>731098935
Keep the dirty spics in your shitland and maybe try to better it so they don't have to come here and everybody wins.

>>731096435
Not wrong, just pointless...

>>731096435

i think it's wrong, and i think it's a waste of money and effort

"The wall" is a self-promoting marketing campaign, designed specifically to pander to the generally accepted xenophobic beliefs of the most weak-minded, fearful, and brainwashed portion of the American public, all thought up in the first place by a businessman who has proven himself time and time again to be one of the dumbest, most ineffective and all-around worst business managers/leaders in the entire free world... I will never understand how you guys keep falling for this same old shit. It's like Obama promising "change you can believe in" while shitting his ass all over the constitution. You need to wake up, put on your big-boy pants, eat your ducking wheaties, prepare yourself to enter the world, walk to the front of your house, grab the front door knob, open the door, get on the floor, everybody walk the dinosaur

>>731097440

the funny thing is most illegal immigration to the US is from people coming legally then overstaying their visas after they expire.

So you're spot on saying airplanes exist, because that is the real problem when it comes to illegal immigration.

>>731104461
>I mean, wouldn't it make more sense to have some combination of satellites, drones with long linger time, and rapid response teams stationed at key traffic points?
Yes but you're making these valid points to the sort of uneducated rural filth that got Trump elected, people who are not looking at this rationally.

>>731104229
>>fucking liberals...
How is that poster a "fucking liberal"?
You can't even get a nigger to work at McDonalds for less than $15 an hour now. I'll be damned if I'm paying those prices for a lousy burger. The economy will suffer.

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>>731104673
This. It's more important that America have access to cheap food than it is that a handful of Americans will get the jobs illegals once had.

>>731104374
>But you can't have people watching every square inch of the border. Completely impractical.

then what is the point of a wall that can be easily circumvented.
what we have now works.
build a wall where cities exist then extend it for another 100 miles
use cameras/sensors to secure the 100-200 miles
then....let the land do its job. deserts, mountains, etc
walls are useless in remote areas

>>731104306
>>I'm white,
The jews thought the same in 1938

>>731104629
Yes, I voted for Trump and I would like for the wall to be build with gold trim and a gold "T" on it just to trigger you stupid liberals.

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>tfw you want a border wall and are a legal Hispanic-American citizen
>tfw you realize that illegal Mexicans are what makes people discriminate against you
>tfw fuck illegal wetbacks

>>731104735
We just don't aspire to be like Israel. We aspire to one day seeing their walls torn down, their homes and business burned, their sons killed in combat, their daughters raped, and their entire populace sent into the desert on foot, made homeless.

>>731103179
>Change the law for independent contractors
Wow, that was read brain-scratcher.

>>731104522

very well put.

also, I read a funny story today about our fearless leader.

in the 90s a wall street analyst specializing in casinos wrote a report on Trump's Taj Mahal junk bonds saying essentially that the company would never be able to pay the interest on the bonds. Trump threatened to sue for defamation unless an apology was issued or the analyst was fired. The analyst was fired. Shortly after Trump's Taj Mahal bonds defaulted and company went bankrupt.

>>731104422
>>if you are an American, you are taxed no matter where you live
Tell that BS to American expats in the P.I.

>>731104975
>Pay independent contractors under the table the same way I used to directly pay illegals under the table.
You sure showed me.

>>731104522
>the most weak-minded, fearful, and brainwashed portion of the American public

But liberals don't want the wall.

>>731099423
They're engaging in illegal activity. I can think of a few ways to convince them to change.

Why do you trumptards pull the "illegal activity is bad" card when immigrants do it but not when its Americans?

>>731104948
Don't be confused. Israelis and Palestinians are both enemies of the US regardless of what our official policies are. But we need Israel on our side because they have a foothold in the middle east.

>>731104885
I take it youre a legal immigrant. How's it going, my fellow American? And yes, fuck wetbacks. Fuck a wall; I want a minefield.

>>731104735

this argument is so tired. tell me how the israel border wall applies to the proposed american border wall. the scale, context, and purpose are entirely different.

next you're probably gonna bring up the vatican wall...

>>731104838
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM2qq5J5A1s

>>731096435
Most illegals fly in..what u gonna do build the wall 30,000 ft high?

>>731097207
No one tell him about airplanes or visas?

>>731105289
They are both walls and they will both work.

>>731105237
I'm the son of a legal immigrant. My dad had to jump through hoops of horseshit to become a legal citizen and he works for his pay. He often jokes about wishing he was an illegal immigrant so he could get government assistance and free housing in California.

This thread
3D CG

י>>>/3/

>>731105018

there is literally a trail of failed business dealings involving trump as far back as you can go.

why do you think people regularly call him a scammer and a failed business man?

>>731105188
You're confused, I do not support Trump or the wall. But the fact remains that it's going to be near impossible to convince business owners to act against their economic interests.

>>731104522
>>all thought up in the first place by a businessman~
Are you nuts? Bush Jr started that shit, and he was hardly a businessman

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006

>>731105403
Once they get deported they will not be let back in on an airplane. Right now we deport them and they just cross the border again and again

>>731105370
No, we send them back, and put them on a no fly list to the states.

>>731105075
https://www.greenbacktaxservices.com/blog/us-expat-taxes-explained-filing-taxes-as-an-american-in-the-philippines/
>expats
those expats were US citizens until they renounced their US citizenship.

>>731105370
>>731105403

shh don't bring facts into this thread, we were doing so well with trolling and emotional appeals

>>731105641
Wrong. Once they are deported they will not be let back into the country on an airplane. Your stupid theory has been debunked.

>>731105834

"Once they [who?] are deported they will not be let back [by whom?] into the country on an airplane. Your [mine?] stupid theory has been debunked [by whom?]."

>>731103275
Then stop allowing them to be US citizens. They won't come over and reproduce then just to get free money.

Won't the Mexicans just go under the wall?

>>731106100
You'd need a constitutional amendment and you would never get anywhere near enough votes for something like that.

>>731097559
Idiot. Undocumented immigrants pay taxes and don't get benefits. They're literally a net positive in that regard.

>>731096435
>there are people who think this is wrong

Well, what I will say is that someone should really inform Americans that airplanes exist.

>>731105834

you're stupid if you think the niggers in immigration or the TSA know how to do their job

you're stupid if you think it's difficult to buy a false passport or false identity with which you can travel.

don't be so naive.

>>731106188
So then we build the wall to stop them right?

>>731105632
>those expats were US citizens until they renounced their US citizenship.
Chyea,,,,the ones at your link. There are hundreds of others.
The US isn't the only place in the world. Christ, you have more personal freedom in Uzbekistan than in the US.

>>731106233
Yeah I can totally see a mexican jalopy of an airplane make it over the wall without them eventually crashing into the side of a mountain.

>>731105455
Well you're father is a role model citizen. Idiots still think republicans hate all Mexicans; no, we just hate illegals. The fuck are we going to hate the legal ones for? Theyre our best friends: Quiet, peaceful, law abiding, friendly, hard working, CLEAN, fun as hell, and able to make some awsome food. Wetbacks are none of these things.

>>731106215

you can tell the people who aren't educated on the issue if they don't know that illegal immigration provides a net benefit to the US economy.

>>731106233
Fucking this. The vast majority of illegal immigration happens in the form of overstayed visas by people entering on commercial airlines.

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Trump is a fat moron who had an shitty idea, but some 'murrican racist fucks loved it
Starting from the wildlife who needs to cross the border to thrive

All Americans except the native Americans were immigrants at one time or another

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>>731106514
It provides cheap labour for employers , which in turn damages the wage of legitamate workers

>>731106648
Except the land wasn't called America so nobody was an immigrant to "America" except for non-Americans you ignorant cunt.

Also, isn't a lot of the foot/motor traffic between the US and Mexico NAFTA related? I'm not the most well informed person, but if that's the case, it seems like going after global trade policies and other economic incentives, might be a good first step if you want to cut down immigration, even if it's boring and doesn't buy votes.

>>731106100
How would you suggest restricting citizenship, and then selling that to the public? It's certainly an idea worth consideration, but would it be military service, a test of some sort, economic value, all of the above, etc.
You might also need to choose a single dialect of English to act as an official national language, and that might ruffle some feathers.

>>731106648
If you take into account the Bering strait crossing, even they are immigrants, although that does precede the concept of political states.

>>731106534

not the "vast" majority, but a large amount.. somewhere between 35-60% depending on who you ask

>>731106377
i don't know what you just said.
if you are an American citizen living abroad, you legally still have to file your taxes.
odds are, you won't pay anything.
but not reporting anything is pretty much tax evasion.

>>731097559
do you realize how much a wall will affect that money flow? zero. (and revenue loss itself is debatable)

>>731106823
No matter, if you're doing a job where you're worried about an illegal taking your job, then most likely you're doing something that will be automated within 20 years. You're on borrowed time as it is. Nobody cares about you.

>>731106876
Go back to your family's place of origin you immigrant

>>731106514
Lol so liberals like using people? Interesting. :)
And, no, we know they don't directly get benefits from the federal government; our concern is them getting it through the state and local governments.....which are primarily funded by the federal government.....

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>>731106903
>somewhere between 35-60% depending on who you ask
>Factual statistics depend on who you ask
>not on actual data

>>731106823
How?

>>731106823
And yet the people who are hardliners on immigration don't support unions or a livable minimum wage.

Really makes you think...

>>731106970

it depends. if you live in a country like norway with significantly higher taxes than the US, you're likely to pay nothing. If you live in Saudi Arabia, you'd probably pay an amount equal or comparable to what you would pay on an equivalent salary in the US

>>731107029
>say this to black people
>instantly called a racist

>say it to white people
>held up as a paragon of justice and racial equality

>>731107015

this. lol.

the only people who should complain about "taking er jerbs" are people who are considered worthless by the economy anyway.

enjoy picking fruit and washing dishes.

>>731096435
gtfo of this board hadrian

>>731107153
yes....but you still have to notify the IRS

>>731106648
And letting illegals stay really worked out for the natives, didn't it? :)

>>731107504
Won't be long then until the Mexicans round you all up and put you in reservations. Kek

>>731104354
**In 2010, ITIN filers paid a total of $0.9 billion in income taxes and received cash payments of $4.9 billion. **

[citation needed]
you clearly copied and pasted it from somewhere

>>731107309
Yes, because they sure dont take away farm and construction jobs. And congrats, you just called mexicans worthless. I thought republicans were supposed to be the racists. :)

>>731107738
To be fair, as white people, we are much more intelligent than the natives were at the time so that won't work.

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I wonder how many of these "people" saying walls dont work live in Israel?

>>731107848

i'm not calling mexicans worthless. i'm calling people who are content with doing manual labor tier jobs worthless.

sure they have worth collectively. but as individuals the market doesnt value them.

don't bring parties into this. I don't affiliate with either one. and calling me a racist isn't going to offend me. in case you didn't notice, this board is anonymous

>>731107848
>farm and construction jobs
And the fact is that nobody is willing to pay Americans even minimum wage for that. It's more important that Americans have access to cheap food and affordable houses than it is that a handful of Americans get jobs.

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>>731097559
DO YOU FAGGOT?

I BET YOU FUCKING DON"T WITHOUT LOOKING IT UP SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GET OUT WITH YOUR BULLSHIT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeee

>>731096435
Not exactly wrong, just useless

>>731108030

you can't take a flight from palestine to israel lmao

also it's not difficult for israeli forces to patrol such a small land area.

if the same context existed on the US border of course a wall would work.

>>731108030
that wall calmed everything right down. Yup. Worked perfectly.

>>731108030
I though US jews don't like Israel because it's primarily conservative?

>>731107738
Lol, just saying that letting whoever come in whenever they want doesnt ever end well, even if it doesnt necessarily get that bad. There's been countless times where civilizations decided to be nice and let a bunch of people in, and they got fucked as a result. The romans and native americans got destroyed, and now of days we see the shit circus happening in th EU.

>>731108441

no its because the israeli gov't is the slutty submissive whore of orthodox jews. and NO ONE likes orthodox jews

>>731096435
We already have the wall. Why are Trumptards so fucking retarded? It's obviously a political wall to trick you retards.

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>>731096814
Yes anon, walls have never stopped any group of people at any point in history

>>731108441
>>731108583

just realized that i rephrased what you said more aesthetically.

you were right

>>731096435
Can't waste money trying to stop illegals if the law is written so that nobody is illegal.
>blackguywithfingerontemple.jpg

>>731105491
How have we historically convinced people to follow the law?

>>731108672
>Implying Germany is the size of America.

>>731108610

because people are weak and they crave solutions.

they want to see stuff being done.

they don't care about the results, they care about the process and acting like they care.

>>731096435
the wall won't change things but the idea behind it is ok. Keep illegals out. If you really want to get in than use proper channels

>>731108792
Nigger when did I say germany, if the chinks could do it hundreds of years ago then we can do it now you fucking tismo

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>>731096435
Same here. /thread

>>731108826
That's just fucking sad. But then again politicans lie just to win votes and get our money.

>>731108765
You don't have the money or manpower tracking down every employer hiring illegals and you can't arrest enough to make it worth it to the rest to stop.

>>731108919
You fucking posted that picture.

>>731105434
Extremely weel thought, what a convincing argument, it's almost as if you didn't completely realize you don't have an argument

>>731109017
>Posting a reaction pic automatically means pic related
Autism alert

>>731096435
no Wall has ever worked, and most if not all illegal immigrants come in through plane and over stay their Visa

>>731108919
Are you seriously and unironically comparing this to the fucking wall of china?

>>731109112
Berlin wall you fucking retard.

>>731108956

why wouldn't they? they've learned there is no penalty for doing it, there is only incentive.

as americans get stupider it will become easier for this to occur

i keep this in mind any time conservatives talk about abolishing public schooling in the US

>>731096435
>There are people who think this will actually happen
>There are people who think people still immigrate to the US from Mexico
>There are people who don't know that the majority of illegal immigrants in the US come from China on boats

>>731108099
How are farming and construction worthless? "you see all this food, and all of these buildings? Yeah, fuck 'em!" we dont need 'em as long as we got our iphones.....Manual labor created that too? Fuck!"
And i dont give a fuck about your politics. Its just funny that we're the supposed racists when it's the rest of you saying the fucked up shit.

>>731109129
>no wall has ever worked
>no wall has ever worked
>no wall has ever worked
Hadrians wall, great wall of china,long walls of athens, walls of jeruslem,ect.

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>>731096435
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx1fK0cFh2c

>>731109327
Keep DeVos in mind.

>>731104735
Israel(and every other nation) will generally shoot an illegal crossers...so it wouldn't work here.

>>731109380
Great Wall of China? Tell me how long did it take?

>>731109533
Took them a long fucking time with tools from that period. We live in the modern era you fucking tard. It still saved china from falling to the hun

>>731109380
>>731108481
Sssssshhh. Youre wasting your time on these reality denying, uneducated retards. We're right so just be happy.

>>731109333

let me clarify: farming and construction is not worthless. individual workers in farming and construction are worthless. I didn't decide this, the market did when it valued their hourly pay at minimum wage.

manual labor is for machines, soon there will be no work for people working in farming and construction. watch them try to get jobs anywhere else, it will be sad.

finally, when i say worthless I don't mean worthless as human beings. I believe that every human's experience is valuable and every human life is precious. The market, however, doesn't value the skills (or lack thereof) they can provide. This is what I mean by worthless

>>731109380
The romans didn't care about the Hadrians Wall
Wall of china was useless, every mongol got in
Spartans Rekt the long walls
Jerusalem is in literal constant warfare

Try again Trump cuck

>>731109641
Oh yeah, modern, more expensive tools, should I remind you how the Great Wall almost led China into total ruin?

>>731109641
You're wasting your time on him.

>>731109641
>Building the pyramids took as long.
Next you'll tell me that the Great Wall of Trump will be seen in space.

>>731109809

i'm surprised the trumpcucks havent brought up the vatican wall yet

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>>731097207

>>731099261
word, and most of them are cuckservative ass farmers paying these fools for shit jobs americans would never take

>>731109380

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(587_BC)

>>731109807

i'm depressed now

Oh the irony , the land of immigrants complaining about immigrants kek

>>731109807
1) You obviously know nothing about farming and construction if you think they're paid minimum.

2) Who builds the machines and repairs them?

3) What do you do for a living, or is work "slavery"?

>>731107848
Libs are racist. Truth, anon.

>>731099532
paying them 5 bucks an hour to pick broccoli for 12 hours a day in guadalupe? I'm pretty sure trumptards run those operations and stand to lose their labor force, serves those faggot right

>>731110307
2.5) who programs them?

>>731110410
Cons be closted faggots. Truth anon

>>731110492
Clost faggot for lose, anon.

>>731110307

1. k. my original point was that if your job can be taken by an unskilled immigrant the market thinks you're worthless. illegal immigrants will be paid at or below minimum wage in farming and construction.
2. people not making minimum wage with marketable skills that the market values
3. im a junior risk analyst at an energy trading company

>>731110656 <--- Found a closted faggot.

>>731096435
I can't wait to impeach the fuck out your moron President. Seriously, his prison sentence is going to be huge. Biggest prison sentence ever. Everyone's going to know his name, for centuries - like Benedict Arnold and Nixon.

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>>731110307

i'm starting to think you work in construction or farming making slightly above minimum wage and you're now butthurt

>>731110813
His gaping anus is gonna be YUGE like that goatse guy.

>>731110813

cry everytiem

>>731110813
Like that cunt that should be in prison that was selling the country to the fucking Muslims Hillary. Go shoot yourself you waste of skin.

>>731110800
No I'm not closed. Das raciss try gin nigga.

>>731110970
Closed racist.

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Praise Kek