need an advice from some guy with knowledge about weapon ,im

Had a shield and loved it, def recommended.

It is good

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>>726759915
is it a good one for someone like me with 0 gun experience before ? i heard there is no safety lock for this gun is it right ?
anyway thanks for the reply bro

>>726759811
Reliable, small and easy to conceal, and pretty easy to clean. If you're just looking for something small for home defense or a conceal carry, I'd recommend it.

Springfield xd9
The trigger pull on s&w is fucking retarded
Also fuck off to >>>/K/

>>726759811
The shield is a really good gun. It comes down to what you want to use it for. The shield is really meant more for concealed carrying, it's not the easiest to shoot but it's easy to hide. If you are just looking for a gun to take to the range and shoot or home defense I'd recommend a full size Smith and Wesson M&P. Honestly with any modern day handgun you can't go wrong with Smith, Sig, HK, Glock or any of the other big names.

Get a glock 43 or a glock 27, safeties are for losers.

>>726759811
Springfield xd9

>>726759811
>>>/k/

>>726760081
>>726760152
My niggers

>>726760080
that's exactly what im looking for >>726760107
im looking for something i could carry easily without being too huge but still being a good weapon but thanks for that response its an helpful one

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>>726759811
OP, I highly encourage you to look into the Sig Sour P320

>>726760081
>>726760152
that one look nice but did you had one ? what do you think of it ?

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>>726760372
>Sour

>>726760372
why do you recommend it ? if i had to judge only by the look its a good looking one but we are not here for the fashion week lol so is it a good one to use ?

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go to /K/ they'll know more than us

>>726759811
OP real men don't need guns. And if the Russians didn't rig our elections we could have had a gun free society. At any rate drumpf will be impeached by April so what ever.
SAGE

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>>726759811
dont waste ur time with a 9mm get a 45 acp best accuracy and easy recoil for gun novices

>>726760291
Yeah then the Shield is great, glock 43 is great, I'd stay away from the sig p938 personally. The p320 is amazing but even the subcompact version is a bit bigger than a shield. The shield can be bought with or without a safety btw

I have a Shield 40 iny hand right now! Absolutely love it and Smith and Wesson customer service is extremely excellent.

>>726760402
Surefire, affordable. Easy to use. Would recommend to a bro

>>726760544
>>726760173
sorry guys for posting here i didnt saw there was a special forum for it ! my bad i was just looking for help from guys with knowledge :)

>>726760638
LOL

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>>726760660
Pretty much this.

It depends what you want from the gun. Like cars guns have their roles. You wouldn't take a prius to race a mustang.

It's a decent gun the main problem with it is the trigger is not the best. HOWEVER don't buy into the trigger nazi shit. Whatever gun you get you have to train with it. A better trigger will only do so much.

I would recommend the sig p320 which is roughly the same price. However you can interchange parts and the frame making it more versatile. The stock trigger is also damn good for a striker fired gun.

If the p320 isnt your choice I'd go glock pick your flavor they have a model for any role you can think of and the aftermarket is stupid but that also makes parts for it cheap. Having shot both the shield and glock 19 I personally found the 19 to be less shit but not great but again train with your gun and get used to it.

Another thing to note is consider the used market. Plenty of people buy a gun shoot maybe a few 100 rounds through it in a year then it sits in a safe till they decide to sell it. You can save 50-100 or more bucks which is more ammo for training. Also if you get the gun and don't like it you spent less and have the potential to lose less as well.

>>726760660
whats the main difference between a 9mm and a 45 ? thats a noob question i know but i dont really have a clue about it
>>726760663
the shield is really the one that caught my attention soooo.. lol
>>726760719
thanks for the advice i will look more about it
>>726760709
where im from i dont think the customer service will work but thanks bro

>>726761217
>whats the main difference between a 9mm and a 45 ? thats a noob question i know but i dont really have a clue about it
One is light and travels fast, one is heavy and travels slow.
One is .30 caliber one is .45 caliber.
9mm generally has more capacity for a given size.

Both will get the job done.

>>726759811
Why pussy 9mm? Can't handle a man's caliber, need to buy that euro faggy shit?

Springfield, Smith are both solid. Springfield Xd has a ton of really good trigger mods available. Sig has the 320 which is also a solid option but more expensive

>>726760081
Literally on the random board.

>>726761181
interesting thanks for those advice i will look more into what you said

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I think it is highly dependent on what you are looking for in your first gun, your budget, and the laws where you live. But off the cuff nothing beats the Maxim 9. Built in silencer, what more do you need.

>>726761219
>berreta 92fs master race

>>726760072
Concealed carry guns won't usually have a safety. The "safety" is on the trigger.

>>726761341
ok nice , if i had to choose i would prefer the faster one idk why so 9mm would be the better choice
>>726761548
lol im not trying to prove to be a tough guy or not men i just want advice to start with guns :p its like with motorcycle you dont start with a yamaha R1 or else you get fuck quick :p
>>726761672
im from europe so guns law are fucking strict so i need one easy to carry and not to big also , i live in a place where you can get rob pretty easily with the kind of bike i have so i need something to keep fuckers away dont want to do anything stupid or else just self protection

>>726761548
for home defence, or close quarters if he wants to corneal carry, a 9mm will do the trick just fine.

>>726761952
ok men and do you think its a bad choice for a beginner to start with one without safety ?

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Go. To. A. Gun. Store.

>>726761672
A gun that works, sico is falling apart and they still haven't got that thing running reliably. Even at demo day at Shot it was choking constantly

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>>726760081
>>726760152

xds is also a good option.
stock trigger can be a bit heavy though. nothing that a $19 spring kit can't fix though.

>>726761973
So then go all James Bond and get a Walther PPK, they are a little high in price but conceal nicely, reliable as hell, and shoot straight. Bonus for looking like a secret agent.

>>726762146
if i lived in america i would dude lol where i am the hardest part will be to find the exact gun i want and i really dont want to try my luck on tor xD

>>726759811
p320 - only pistol you need for a primary. modularity wins.

>>726761973
My first gun was a 45, I shoot it very well and because the round is stout you can't limp wrist it, fewer malfunctions.

thanks everyone for the reply and advice it was really helpful , i will certainly get a shield because there is a lot of good opinion about it but if i can get a p320 too i think im gonna get both and try by myself :)
thanks bro

>>726762430
bites your hand in 380

Glock 19 Get it, I got a shield but that Glock is King.

>>726763255
Uh, no. The PPK is a heavy steel gun. .380 is nothing out of it.

H&K VP9

>>726759811
I have the shield in 9mm and 40. Both are awesome guns. Some people will say not to get a plastic gun but Glocks are some of the best guns around and have been for the last 50 years. I'd personally get a glock unless not having a safety is a deal breaker. Only thing about the shield that I do not like of how annoying it is to clean the firing pin. Whereas the glocks back plate slides off with ease and the firing pin slides out with no problem

>>726759811
Always a good choice op. My fav feature on the m/p is the fact that someone is trying to take your weapon, if you drop the mag, it won't fire the chambered round. I've got a CZ SP-01 that I like. 19 in the mag and one in the chamber.

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>>726763324
Until Sig stole the crown

>>726760818
Fuck those neckbeards. Random is the key word on this board. Carry on op.

>>726759811
Glock 19 Gen 3.

>>726763568
what do you mean ? if you drop the mag the gun cant fire even with a bullet in the chamber ?
>>726763542
plastic gun ?
>>726763664
lol i know i post in the wrong part of 4chan so its a bit my fault too but thanks for the support xD
>>726763913
i often hear people say bad things about glock idk why really

>>726764169
Polymer frame, steel slide/barrel

>>726764169
I've got a Colt .45 MK IV Series 80 and a custom Glock 19 Gen 3. I've never had a single issue with my Glock and it's what I use for everyday carry. The Colt on the other hand, it will blow a bard door off its hinges, but after a few mags it starts to jam like crazy.

>>726759811
Too lazy to read the rest of the thread, shield 9mm is a good gun though man. I'd definitely reccomend it

>>726759811
The shield is nice, but I prefer carrying my M&P fullsize or the glock42 380

>>726759811
S&W M&P Bodyguard 380 w/ crimson Trace integral laser. Not a heavy hitter but very effective at the ranges typically involved in personal protection, and something about seeing that red dot zeroed in on their chest tends to calm people down. Also plant a nice pattern in a 2" spread. One shot it the chest will likely discourage assailant, 7 shots in a 3" pattern will send them to hell.

Glock 19, get almost double the capacity and it's roughly the same size gun.

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>>726764808
>and it's roughly the same size gun

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>>726764722
LCP II is better, cheaper

>>726764468
thanks ! always nice to hear side from actual glock user , maybe one day i'll try one
>>726764300
hum ok >>726764499
you are not the only one thinking that
>>726764644
i need an easy one to carry and hide under a jacket or else so i dont know if that would be the better choice for my situation
>>726764722
i looked into that one too and loved the laser but what do you think would be the main difference between the shield and the bodyguard ? except the laser of course , which one is easier to carry ?

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>>726764871
Yeah fuck me right, way different

>>726761548
Faggot thinks you need a big gun to be a man

>>726764169
>>726764300
Personally don't mind it. Never had issues with my glocks. I have a glock 19 and a 26 a sig Sauer p250 c shield 9 and 40. All polymer frames. All amazing guns

>>726762083
Every Shield I've seen has a designated safety.

But yes, it's a very intuitive gun. You might want it in 9mm since .40 is kind of snappy for a beginner

>>726765176
Ayyy me, except I have a gen 3

>>726759811
Get an M&P Shield Performance center. Its worth the extra $ for the trigger alone. I own one and its my EDC.

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>>726765176
At least show a good comparison dumbass

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>>726765176
Also useful if you need to spray a crowd with frag

>>726765346
They make them without the safeties too

>>726759811
Get the Sig P320. It's an amazing firearm.

>>726765445
lol yeah good point, better to lose 7 rounds rather than have a gun that's half an inch longer. Solid logic faggot.

>>726765176
great looking guns love them
>>726765346
that's what i tought i dont want to take risk with my first one , got to go step by step lol
>>726765431
why for the trigger?

>>726765445
How's your slide rounded on the glock 19? Might be a dumb question. Just wodnering. Mines square

>>726765587
Also smaller and thinner overall. Thinness being the important thing for carry

>>726765620
Gen 3 vs Gen 4

>>726765451
are we going to pretend like Glock isn't the most common handgun on the planet? Are we going to pretend like 90 percent of cops don't carry Glocks? Are we going to pretend like Navy Seals don't carry Glocks?

>>726763597
Too spicy4me

Well done, anon.

>>726765699
>>726765445

So the gen 3 is rounded? I kinda like it better honestly. I might have to get a gen 3 slide for the gen 4 if I can

>>726765666
you are talking millimeters to lose 7 MORE FUCKING ROUNDS

>>726765720
>are we going to pretend like Glock isn't the most common handgun on the planet

And Bud Light outsells Fat Tire every day of the week...

>Are we going to pretend like 90 percent of cops don't carry Glocks?

>Taking cues from people who get shot at by crackheads for $32,000/year

>Are we going to pretend like Navy Seals don't carry Glocks?

The one I know personally carried a USP

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My Glock 19
>TFX TruGlo Day/Night Fiber Optic/Tritium Sites
>Extended Mag Release
>Extended Slide Lock
>Titanium Slide Takedown Lever
>Titanium Trigger Pins
>Stainless Guide Rod with 18 Pound Pull

I think the last thing I'm going to do to it is add a mag well and switch the trigger out for a diamond trigger system with a 3lb pull to match the pull of my Colt.

>>726765828
Over the course of a 12 hour day on your belt, yeah.

I'm not a cop, I'm not in extended gun battles on a daily basis.
If I had a job to carry a gun, yeah I'd carry a bigger duty weapon, but for daily carry, comfort means you'll actually carry it.

>>726765884
It use to be usp but apparently the new carry gun for seals is glock 19s or 17s I think. With threaded barrels

>>726765811
Other way around

>>726765176
How do you like your 19 Gen 4? I wasn't a big fan of the dual springs and beaver tail changes they made.

>>726766034
I have a gen 4 and I had the gen 3 but sold it. Neither of then had that. My gen3 26 does though. And the photo up top dude has a gen 4 and it's squared

>>726766007
don't want to take side but you are right , that's what i'm looking for something i could carry easily without taking too much space , where i am i'm not allowed to carry one so it got to be easily hidden so millimeters can count and im not looking into gangwar shooting so .. lol

but dont fight over that men lol

>>726766123
I didn't like the Beaver tails either but I stuck with the medium size and it feels weird when I take it off. I love the grip on the gen 4 too. And you can get aftermarket Springs if you prefer.

>>726765828
I prefer as much as I can have in a magazine. I'm 6'2 and have a good frame so I can conceal carry full size pistols without worry but to some people they are willing to make that sacrifice for more concealability. Don't make sense to me as I've never met a man who said "wow I shouldn't have brought those extra rounds, I sure didn't need those."

Well guys thanks a lot for all the response i got to go , never thought my thread would live so far lol i really appreciate all of your advice thats why i love /b/ have a great night bros

glock 17 gen 3

500 dollars new also.

they are the most reliable why deal with anything else.

>>726766028
Well that's shit. The rest of the military told Glock to go suck a fat one, they would rather have Sig

The shield is a good weapon, but wait for the shield m2.0 to come out.
Supposed to have a way better trigger. Not that the current one is total shit, but many people end up putting the apex trigger in it.
Get one when the m2.0 comes out

usp compact for me in 45. 9mm is a target shooting round and you're asking for trouble relying on it for self defence

>>726766382
Beats the guy who said "wow, I wish I had brought a gun, but my big old brick is just to uncomfortable"

Most important thing in a gunfight is to have a gun.

>>726760080
Do you have many guns or do you just know a lot about that specific gun?

>>726766440
I know it's crazy. USPs are dope guns too

https://www.google.com/amp/foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-navy-seals-may-have-selected-a-new-pistol-of-choice-1749620057/amp

>>726760638
troll harder faggot. Im liberal and people like you are idiots. America has 300 million+ guns, making them illegal will do nothing but make criminals the only people with guns. America isn't a giant island like australia so dont even try to bring up that retarded comparison.

Beretta 92FS is beat 9mm ever. Trust me on this

>>726766726
So why is the military replacing it?

>>726766523
added with a hornady expansion
round or any other composite round and you will be fine with a 9mm. straight hard ball could be a issue.

>>726766726
Why not just get a fucking Taurus?

>>726759811
Any cz 75 derivate will serve you well...comes in most standard calibers and is a dream if you want something a tad tactical. Or a glock if you want somethin as indestructible as a nokia3310

>>726765828
Its obvious you dont daily carry
Do you understand how heavy 7 extra rounds are?

>>726766382
> I'm 6'2 and have a good frame so I can conceal carry full size pistols without worry

Most people arent fat fucks
An extra inch makes a gigantic deal for printing on normal skinny people.

If you are really worried about it, carry a second magazine

>>726766824
Find out why they started using it in the first place.

2 shots in the head and 1 in the chest. Is all it would ever take

>>726766947
Same reason they switched to 5.56. More ammo capacity

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Muh glawk fawty

>spraypaint

>>726766824
>military issue means good

Military issue means lowest bidder. They are replacing it with polymer guns because they are saving close to 300$ a piece by switching.

>>726766523
What are you talking about 9mm is a more than capable round. I could carry a 22 and still a shot to your head and you're dead. 9mm great

>>726766864
Taurus is just as good they say because it's Brazilian and not Italian but all I can vouch for is Beretta and I've had hundreds of pistols and it was best

>>726766889
Not exactly a fat fuck here. I just don't wear tight jeans when I go to work, and wear a shirt longer than my belt line.

Ruger LC9s Pro

>>726767244
>Taurus

>Good

Stopped reading there.jpg

>>726759811
>not really expensive around 500 bucks

Thats like 175$ too much

>>726767018
You are right but my Beretta was better than my Glocks. But it's just money

>>726759811
Sig P320 SC. Can be got for ~$550 and far and away the best gun for the size and price. Little heavy to conceal so if that's what you want to Glock 42 or Walther PPS

>>726767658
Ask any military armorer and they will tell you that the Beretta is dog shit in middle eastern conditions.

Its an ok range queen though

>>726767017
>actually wasting a perfectly good can of spray paint on a hi point

>>726768037
It gave it a good texture

The brick of a slide needs it

>>726767911
You might be right because I just know from my experience in my surroundings. South USA

>>726768158
Where at? Alabama here

>>726767046
suppose its a personal thing but I just dont trust it, I like the reassurance that one or two shots to cbm from a 45 will put down an attacker in most cases...dont believe thats possible with a 9mm and dont trust myself to get the headshot every time in the heat of the moment

>>726768406
Southwest Va

>>726768495
>dont trust myself to get the headshot every time in the heat of the moment

Tards like this is why constitutional carry is stupid and you should have to take a class and pay for a license to carry.

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Xds way to go

>>726768747
Ever see a body cam video of a veteran cop involved in a shootout? He's panting like a fat kid running for the ice cream truck

That's why cops are taught to mag dump center mass. Adrenaline kicks in and shit gets wild and crazy

>>726764938
Carried a Sig, Walther, Beretta and S&W. Loved the Sig, might go back. Considering a Kimber Micro 9. Have to stay very low profile though due to circumstances beyond my control. Constitutional Carry state, but corporate rules to work around.

>>726768747
Like I said all it takes is 1 in the head and 2 to the chest. Love my accuracy

>>726765346
Some departments specifically approved for personal carry only w/o safety or laser, so S&W offered the option. Both Bodyguard and Shield are double action only with stiff pull, so safety is redundant.

>>726769037

my nigga
my setup is damn near identical, except my frame is coated in OD green.

>>726768747
Ive done all the courses and log at least7 hours a week in the range, I dont trust myself as thankfully ive never been in that situation. and judging by the fact you think a fucking course is going to prepare you for the adrenaline rush of an attack tells me neither have you

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>Tl;dr glock
Shield is good, but I'd recommend glock. People like to shit on glock, but they're fantastic. There's a reason many police forces use them.
They're reliable as fuck. I own one, my brothers own them. My father has owned them for years. Not one of us has ever had a problem with them. They have internal safeties, they have external safeties, they shoot straight, they never jam up, they're amazing. I cannot recommend them enough. If anyone in this thread has ever had a problem with a glock
>that they own
Please tell me, because I've never had a single issue. I cannot recommend them enough

>>726769823
But I have been there in real life. And I stick to what I say

>>726770022
Glocks have become the bud light of pistols. They're well known enough that their popularity creates its own momentum when there are better options out there for roughly the same money

>>726770022
I've just had problems with all those extra features you talk of. Springs in trigger assembly

>>726770066
so you've been attacked, and shot and killed a man with one accurate headshot? yeah sure

>>726761217
Either a 9mm or a .45 will get the job done if you shoot straight, but if raw power is your goal, than .45. It had a lot more oomph at the cost of less capacity, but nothing hits like a .45 hollow point. Two shots to the chest will stop whatever is coming, save for a gorilla on pcp.

>>726770483
>save for a gorilla on pcp.

Translation

>If you live in Detroit or Chicago go for .357 mag master race

>>726759811
My first gun was a Glock 19 and now I have many more guns but the Glock is still my favorite. However, gun snobs in threads like this will shit all over you.

>>726761973
Speed doesn't make a huge difference unless your target is +150 yards away. As far as a beefy round to stop something, .45 hands down.

>>726770066
I never said one accurate headshot. I said 1 in the head and 2 in the chest is all it ever took. Never said I was attacked but I've been in that situation and I had to react.

>>726770327
Yeah, it's a bit to wrap your head around, but it's not as bad once you get a good knowledge of it and know what you're doing. I don't mean that in a rude way, also. I know it sounds corny, but i drilled with dissasimbally and reassembly and it helped a bunch.

>>726771112
You are probably right anon

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>>726770618
>being a big enough pleab not to concealed carry a 500
Up your game.

>>726770618
Yeah, I guess I Godda agree. If you're in Chicago, pack a hand cannon.

>>726771304
>5 shots of overpenetration vs 8 shots of glorious based .357

>>726770200
you may be right, but im just saying what i know. my glock has never failed me

>>726771541
8 shots of bitch vs 5 shots of satan

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>>726759811
Go ask /k/ you dumb shit. Ffs

Asking /b/ for firearms advice is like asking a homeless man how to own a home.

Shield is good for concealed carry but if you don't have to worry about concealment consider a Glock 19.

>>726770022
Good for occasional use but the chamber is unsupported so if you are going shoot thousands of rounds a year I'd go with something else. LE carries them but replace them about ever 2 years.

>>
>>726772171
You get good and bad ones no matter what brand. Just had best luck with my Berettas. Had trouble from my Glocks. But could have been easily reversed

>>726767451
fuck no! there are so many better small 9mm's out there!

>>726766726
Negative! the slid mounted safety sucks, too many sharp edges. If you want a double action go Sig, HK but not a beretta

>>726759811
Just get a Glock 19 or a Beretta 92fs.

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>>726759811
Don't get a 9mm if you're looking for personal defense. I don't care who you are, a .22 to literally anywhere is gonna fucking hurt like hell. Just the sight of a gun will usually scare anyone off. Also, don't kill a dude over a mugging. Just don't. At least aim for his shoulder or something.

Pic related: best handgun for concealed carry imho. the 5 shot .22lr HG

>>726759811
I've got a berretta nano. Its so choice.

>>726772849
Yes the safety sucked but just my overall pick of all my 9s. Never had an HK so I can't comment on that 1

>>726773086
wow, you know jack shit about guns and self defense. Do some research, educate yourself. Start by reading pretty much anything by Massad Ayoob and then comment.

>>726773032
Beretta 92FS and Glock 19 first and second hand guns. I agree are both good. Just loved my Beretta more

>>726773122
HK P30, is comfortable to shoot, double/single and a spring mounted safety.Sig 229 or 226 in 9 are great if you want a hammer. ton's if you want a striker fire. Betters is just outdated and not well designed

>>726773086
>don't kill a dude over a mugging

Fuck that. Save the taxpayers the money and save yourself the ass ache of possibly being sued

The problem with a .22 is a retarded jury isn't going to understand why you shot them 6 times with a .22 as opposed to twice with a .45

>>726773424
Yep although I think the glock is more reliable at least the Beretta is not fugly like the glock.

>>726773424
HK45 will be next new handgun. Maybe can report some day later

>>726773701
good gun, comfortable and reliable. I prefer my Sig 227 but they HK45 is a close second

>>726769110
im really high and think you are james bond right now

>hi james bond
>luv u jimmy b

>>726773588
>>726773424
seriously, the beretta is a crap gun. There's a reason the military hates it. If you think it's the top end then you need to shoot a lot more guns!

>>726773086
Fucking stupid comment anyone who knows firearms knows if you legally carry a gun and have to draw on someone you don't shoot to injure it's not how things work if it's not serious enough to kill over you don't pull it. Tunnel vision and adrenaline dump make it hard to aim which is why you are taught center mass aim big trying to target a shoulder results in missing the target and being liable for the round you just fired

>>726773086
Litigation wise, good point.

>>726773260
>muh stoppin powa!
Noob

>>726773487
Point is that defender intended to stop the attack without intention of death.
Dipshit

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>>726773936
this

>>726773588
Beretta was much better looking.I agree on that .

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I gots a glawk fotay problem solver

>>726773921
The military hates it because there berettas suck ass. They're used and need new parts.

>>726759811
Look into a Glock 43 as well.

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>>726773086
>Also, don't kill a dude over a mugging. Just don't. At least aim for his shoulder or something.
If you knew anything about guns, you would know that if you EVER aim a firearm at another human, you shoot to kill. If you do not intend on killing them, don't point a fucking firearm at them.

>>726773978
If you think this is a good point educate yourself!

Noob... that's laughable, a noob is someone who would recommend a .22lr

.22 has little likelihood of stopping an attack, seriously you fucking moron educate yourself. Read a book, take a class, hunt, actually shoot a gun. If you think a .22 will likely stop an attack you are high. Hell most handgun rounds won't stop an attack. There is ton's of research on this. That's who a controlled pair to center mass is the recommended initial attempt to stop in EVERY training program

>>726774334
Nailed it

>>726774128
that is one factor but the poor design is the overriding factor. It was a bad choice when they replaced the 1911. The Sig 320 selected by the Army should work way better for them

>>726774334
Nah you can use guns for more than just killing.
I agree you should always shoot to kill but it's not bad to point a gun at someone and tell them to leave you alone instead of shooting.

>>726774664
They better not be within 10 feet if you try this or you're gonna get your ass handed to you. If you present the gun it is probably game on.

>>726774664
•All weapons must be treated as if they are loaded
• never point a weapon on anything you do not intended to kill
•keep your finger off the trigger and out of the trigger guard until sights are on target and ready to shoot.
• always be aware of your target and beyond.
Plain and simple no you don't draw unless you're using it

>>726774609
I agree with on that.

>>726774421
NRA Safety Administration boner bro over here.

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>>726759811
if you buy a Taurus make sure to always carry it wearing pic related shoes

>>726774664
I guess it just depends on where you live. All I know is in the South where I live is you are taught never to pull it unless you use it. Just my teachings

>>726774993
No someone who takes the responsibility of owning a firearm seriously and knows when and how to use it.

>>726775026
You are literally being autistic right now. He is saying that a gun can be a helpful tool to THREATEN people as well. Please kill yourself.

>>726775154
Whats the weather like in california bro?

>>726775279
I'm guessing sunny? I live in North Carolina.

>>726775202
I know exactly what he is saying. I just know if you pull a gun where I live that you better use it or you die. I'm just speaking from my experience in my neighborhood. I don't know where he lives and can't speculate on his situation

>>726765884
>$32,000 a year

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics Occupational Employment Statistics Survey, as of May 2015, the average annual wage for police and sheriff's patrol officers was $61,270

>>726775202
I'm sorry but if someone comes to my doorstep with nothing but his fists and the will to harm i'm not gonna duke it out it's go'in straight to guns if he's armed or not. And in that scenario I'll tell him to fuck off.

>>726775732
PS - I live in a rural area.

>>726774928
yup. you pull out a gun, and you use it. you dont know if the other guy is armed, so he could pull his and shoot. then he has your gun, your wallet and your life. shoot to kill.
>ALWAYS

>>726776012
How could someone be stupid enough to have a gun on somebody watch him go to pull his gun and not kill him?

>>726759811
I've got an XDM 9mm compact and an XDM .40 full size and love them both. The XDM's do have a bit heavier trigger but it's not going to matter because in reality in a stressful situation studies show that you're first couple shots are going into the ground as you're drawing and bringing your gun level. And the palm safety can help keep you from getting shot with it if you're wresting for a gun.

>>726776213
yes. trust me, yes. plus, action is far faster than reaction.

>>726776213
sorry, misread that. but someone could be that dumb. there are 7 and a half billion people on this planet and not too many are that bright.

>>726776951
Yeah well at what point do you guys think you should decide to kill someone cause for me it's the second I see a gun out.

>>726761219
In the process of buying a VP9 and will probably follow with a Cz75 b omega.
Would love to have a hi power to go with 1911 but damn that price tag.

>>726777292
That's why you never pull a gun unless you use it. Hope none of you ever are put in that situation but if you see a gun you better react

>>726778470
I own a cz75 b I'll warn you not to dry fire it to much with the default firing pin because it'll ruin it.

Shit I've rolled Dubs 4 times ITT. Goodnight anons

>>726778772
I understand that if you're not being the main target of the enemy then them not knowing you have a gun is a good thing but if somebody comes at you I think that's the time to draw.

>>726759811
Shields are awesome, but i switched to a sig p320. It's a lot bigger, but I think the extra size is worth it.

>>726777292
im agreeing with you. if you feel that your life is legitimatly in danger, than you shoot to kill

>>726779279
Well yeah that's the thing I'm not gonna shoot somebody unless I need to stop them and if they come at me with no gun in there hand I'm really not gonna want to take a life in that moment and at the same time I wouldn't wanna duke it out because they could snatch my gun from me if we where doing that. this scenario seem really unsolvable if you don't want to duke it out, you don't want to kill the unarmed guy, and you only draw if you're going to kill.

When I was shopping around for my first CCW around a year ago, the three I saw that were all fairly comparable were the S&W shield, the Ruger LC9s, and the SA xds. Would definitely recommend looking into those if you want something similar to the shield you were looking at.

>>726766726
Yeah. It's fine. Best? Not even close.