He lost the popular by 3 million votes, so if it were a true democracy not still keeping outdated relics that don't even do what they're supposed to do (stop idiot-chosen demagogues) he would have lost.
Trump is a Russian tool. Clinton was shit. But like it or not, the next 4 years probably won't be that bad.
people keep bitching about clinton and the popular vote,but there's a reason why we dont elect presidents based off in some leftist shit piles like california and new york city think a candidate is popular or not
>>719662021 >>719662175 if usa only used the popular vote then California and new york would forever decide who becomes president. specially California with them using illigals and carting them from vote ballot to vote ballot.
this is the reason that america uses the ec to decide a president, that way the intire country decides and not just California and new york
>>719662726 Basically it allows states a degree of sovereignty by giving them their own weighted geographic representation. It prevents a large urban state from casting rule over demographics that live far differently.
>>719662726 Britbong here. If you've ever visited America you'd know it's huge. And inevitably the political climate varies. The EC is designed to give fair representation of political climates rather than number of people, because political climate is what decides a favoured candidate. Trump vs Clinton is actually a perfect example: people living in luxury in California don't care for new infrastructure that Trump has promised, while the men in the poor southern states struggling to find work, even physical labour, want that more than anything else. They want to give Trump his chance to Make America Great Again because that's what he's promised them.
>>719664074 Democratic household >we all want some food >everyone else chooses pizza >I want some god damn Chinese >nobody else wants Chinese >I have to pay for fucking pizza because everyone else wants it >I go to prison if I don't help pay for it
Yeah don't blame the rebulicans for the out come! Blame the DNC if your mad but no you got throw a hissy fit in the streets because you didn't get your way and you can't even blame your own party for the fault.
>>719664695 Dude when Obama got elected repubs went apeshit.
Woman ran over her husband and killed him for voting for Obama, tons of shit happened. Don't tell me if Hilary got elected trump would accept it, Hillary is acting better at losing than trump ever had.
Trump literally called for civil war 4 years ago lol. Maybe now he'll get it
>>719662127 There is no Constitutional provision or Federal law that requires Electors to vote according to the results of the popular vote in their states. https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/electors.html Why is it important again? 270 people decide an election each term. You think 270 people are easier to buy off than 200 million voters?
>>719664947 did the DC police have to throw teargas at rioters at either of Obama's inaugurations? Did dozens of republican congressman boycott either of them? Were there any major protests against him *literally before has implemented any policies*?
>>719665130 No shit, but to think that all of California is liberal is ridiculous, the fact that trump lost the popular vote just means that the majority of Americans are surprisingly not painfully retarded
>>719660000 By people protesting and shit they are proving democracy to being working. If there was a vote and people protested and the protests were shut down, then that is not a democracy.
The beauty of a true democracy is that the power is in the people. Now, is the political side of the US laws a true democracy? No, it's not, it's more of a republic where the rich have more sway in government than the poor and the average worker. In a true democracy Trump would have not won, he would have lost.
>>719665729 >I could've sworn the electoral college was implemented because our founding fathers thought common people were too stupid to vote for themselves. this is an oversimplification. the founders didn't anticipate the age of coherent unified parties that we have now. They expected it would be typical for each state or region to vote for a favourite son candiate and thus nobody would have a majority, leaving the electoral college to pick the best of them.
Donald Trump seems to me to just be a bit of a shit cunt. The nicest he's been in life was to Kevin McCallister- and that was all scripted. He's a dud guy to be president. You would have thought America would be ae to produce someone a bit more cool and chill and that.
>>719667381 If the people were evenly distributed, tens of millions of Americans would be living in and have been raised in starkly different conditions and thus have very different political views, so I don't see what the point is in your hypothetical. Also, if the popular vote were all that mattered, both candidates would likely have campaigned differently, so again pointless to bring it up.
>>719662314 yeah, it weakens the voice of the only parts of America that matter to the world and gives too much influence to backwards-assed ignorant rednecks. No wonder America has fallen behind in so many categories.
>>719660000 the best thing about trump being president is that its probably the best example there will ever be in playing the long game in espionage. forget the whining about lies and fakery pretty much every intelligence agency is in agreement that trumps rise to president is largely a result of russian interference. All those missiles, subs, tanks, etc and the US has been brought into line with the great bear by some very impressive work by the Russians. The funny thing is they've used the same tactics that failed in Russia to bend the US over and basically get it tied up in domestic introspective bullshit about muslims and immigration. A lot of people will be watching Trump closely during his first term but id be watching the Russians myself. in 5 years time the world is going to look very different
>>719665344 I would be shocked if the window breaking and violence was not caused by agent provocateurs. Cops in civilian clothes fucking shit up to give the pigs an excuse to get violent with the protesters.
Here's the Trump timeline from the viewpoint of the special snowflakes:
1) Trump will NEVER run! 2) Trump will NEVER win the primary! 3) They will NEVER choose Trump at the convention! 4) Trump will drop out! 5) Trump will NEVER beat Hillary! 6) The Electors will NEVER select Trump! 7) Congress won't let Trump win! 8) OBAMA WILL DECLARE MARTIAL LAW BEFORE THE INAUGURATION AND CERTIFY HILLARY AS THE NEXT PRESIDENT!!!
>>719664506 Except that because of the electoral college, the minority votes in a state, even if just shy of 50% don't matter at all. Basically, the vote is a complete illusion because of the EC. May as well tally up number of Republicans vs Democrats in a state and have individuals who weren't even elected by the people just decide the vote of their state.
>>719669230 The electoral College prevents mob rule. It gives every state a say. If there was a simple populat vote, NY City, Los Angeles, and Chicago would decide the presidency and no one else would have a voice.
>>719664506 Historically, the EC had favored Republicans. It's controversial because you are handicapping the vote of individuals in high density areas for a few farmers in less populated states. Furthermore, the US has never had a popular vote for the Presidential election, so there is no way to know for sure what the actual impact would be on the minority who voted Republican. We know why it was created, but trusting solely on the OPINIONS of our founding fathers is not necessarily the best way forward.
>>719669505 The states shouldn't decide. The PEOPLE should. Where you live is irrelevant. And your solution is to take the power away from high population centers and give it all to, again, a select few states? Ohio, Florida, etc.
>>719669505 I know why it was created. You all say the same damn things. CA, NY etc... would control the vote. Who gives a fuck? We've never tried it on the Presidential level, so we don't even know what the outcome would be. Try something first before you dock it. We've tried the EC for a couple of centuries and it's time to do something different. Also, what about in the future? Could you see the US ever getting to the point where nearly the entire country is end to end urban sprawl? What then?
Dude the whole voting thing is rigged.You wanna know who chooses the president? The banks you fucking retards so of course there gonna make him win. So they make more money that's what it comes down to. If people started taking there money out of the banks because they dont want trump to be president. You would see Trump get impeached.
>>719664579 Although I'm all for cutting welfare. That's a nice doesn't mean shit graph. As of July 8, 2014, the demographic breakdown of welfare recipients was 38.8 percent Caucasian, 39.8 percent African American, 15.7 percent Hispanic, 2.5 percent Asian and 3.3 percent Other. There are 12.8 million Americans on welfare, which is equivalent to 4.1 percent of the U.S. population.
>>719669910 Aaand, THIS is why we have the electoral college. So people who discriminate against others who look different, have different jobs or beliefs, cannot dictate a presidency. We're a nation of about 320 million people. A few cities will never have the power to chose for everyone else. You should probably work on your bigotry.
>>719668032 see, thats how they have done it. you dont even believe they could be involved you are compliant and prepared to defend their position, and Trumps . cuckolded by the mighty bear and you dont even know it. fucking funny
>>719662726 >>719663805 This isn't it at all. One of the Founders, Alexander Hamilton, explains the purpose of the electoral college in The Federalist Papers #68. The reason it exists is that the Founders did not trust the people to directly elect a person who is "fit" to be President. As Hamilton explains, it's a measure to prevent foreign influence and prevent the people from falling for irrelevant populist bullshit. It has absolutely nothing to do with giving certain groups of voters more voting power.
>>719660000 Bingo! We have a winner. Democracy is a failed experiment that has become a sick joke. The best thing about Trump being elected is that it will go a long way toward exposing and destroying democracy. When you let uneducated potatoes aka the masses elect officials you get the likes of Hillary and trump.
The paraphrased version is that electors are actually the people who cast the vote for POTUS.
The people actually vote for the electors who then vote for the candidate they pledged to vote for. Basically making it look like
>Majority of people in Florida cast vote for candidate X >Electors that have pledged to vote for candidate X beforehand and have been selected to represent their party in the electoral college are then the ones that are actually allowed to cast votes, generally giving that candidate Y amount of electoral votes (270 are needed to secure the presidency)
The electors that weren't picked by the party that inevitably won the state, just don't get to vote.
Granted, a lot of people like to bring up that electors don't need to vote based on what they pledged to vote for (also known as a faithless elector, Hillary Clinton had more of these than any other candidate in like a hundred years.) but generally speaking, electors vote based on who they pledged to vote for, because failing to do so generally puts them in hot water with their party, so it's not an issue, and as far as I know, election has ever been decided solely based on the votes faithless electors (someone correct me if I'm wrong)
Also, many states have laws in place where faithless electors can be fined considerably for going against their pledged candidate.
Finally we come to the WHY of it all. As someone else said, it basically prevents the people in California and New York (both massively populous and pretty much entirely Democrat states that by themselves make a third of the entire Democratic vote) from basically deciding who is going to direct the country for the next 4 years, even though most of the country is vastly culturally different from those places.
I realize that was a bit long but that's as close to a tl;dr version as I could get without glazing over some of the more important bits.
>>719664818 You are making stuff up. There is only democracy, not "non direct democracy" and something else. Democracy refers to the will of the majority. What we have in the US is simply an electoral college system which by its very nature means we do not have democracy
>>719670444 I know what the EC is and why it was created. You also fail to mention how the founding fathers didn't trust the people back then to decide the vote. Some people didn't even know who Lincoln was when he was elected. Times have changed, and Conservatism has no place in modern and future society.
>>719660000 The people elected Hillary. The electoral college elected Trump in spite of the people. That's fine, but call it what it is. The lesser popular, of the least two popular candidates to ever run for office in this country, appointed to absolute power, because the retarded DNC put an unelectable cunt out there as if she were the only option. Surprise surprise, dumbfucks, jokes on you.
a country that celebrates ignorance and aggression, gets an ignorant aggressive idiot for a president.
>>719670715 Because, as stated, we're a federal republic. We're 50 States with a limited representative government. So, in the Electoral College system, the majority of the STATES decide. You might want to read the Bill of Rights...specifically the 10th Amendment:
>The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Serious question- Did they stop teaching all this?
>>719670738 Worse, the vote of anti-intellectuals in rural areas actually counts for MORE due to an unintended side effect of the electoral college. The Founders clearly never meant for a vote in Wyoming to count the same as 4 votes in New York, but today it does.
>>719660000 >democratically Whoa! You're getting a little ahead of yourself. Shillary won the popular vote, so I don't exactly see how he is "democratically" elected as president. >inb4 the electoral college
>>719671348 19 year old virgin has the world figured out. Do try not to be such a cliche, friend. Short of wiping out humanity, there's no getting rid of politics. Its the way the human animal orders itself.
>>719671194 We could easily go back to a segregated society if we wanted to. People do change, otherwise we wouldn't have had the repeal of slavery, prohibition and subsequent repeal, civil rights movement, and gay marriage being legal in all 50 states.
>>719671613 The problem you are having is you havent defined politics. Maybe you mean political parties, I dont know. But the definition of politics itself is "the activities associated with the governance of a country or other area, especially the debate or conflict among individuals or parties having or hoping to achieve power." The word politics derives from the Greek "affairs of the citystate". If you have a government, and anywhere you have people you have a government (named or not), you have politics.
>>719671286 We haven't seen in practice, but unless the man is a serial liar (which there is strong evidence for) he's going to disregard everything that the majority of the country wants and only represent those with conservative views.
>>719671186 People have the idea we're a democracy because we just spent half a century and trillions of dollars traipsing around the world blowing peoples heads off under the banner of "spreading democracy", when in fact what we have is a federal republic, completely insulating the country from democracy.
It's handy lip-service paid to rule by the people, while functioning as an aristocracy. ...which, funny enough, is exactly what the culture that invented democracy replaced it with immediately after inventing it, though, in their case, it was to insulate them from the input of the Idios, or "private people" not up to speed and engaged in the culture. If you wanted to be an ignorant farmer, that was fine, but you don't get to weigh in on what Athens should do.
We've taken the opposite tack, giving isolated farmers more of a vote than those most actively engaged in determining the direction of the nation.
Made sense in the 1700s, when this was an agrarian burg of educated landowners and ignorant drunks and outlaws, but hasn't held up well with the massive reversals in US cultures.
An idea can be as grand and noble as it wants, but if the majority of the people don't find it's working for them, it's only a matter of time before they replace it.
>be trump >at moscow ritz carlton >presidential suite >melania is in manhattan >bored >try to fap >can't get it up >call room service >hire three dominatrix prostitutes >they make you lay on the bed >fully clothed >they're drinking champagne and mocking you >they get up on the bed >walking on the bed >straddling your body >stepping on your crotch >dick twitches >they're each on their second bottle >tell them obama slept in this bed last week >they talk about how much they hate him >dick twitches again >they want to defile the bed so it will be destroyed >urine starts to flow >it's habbening!!! >they're pissing all over you >it's soaking through your suit >so warm >stream hits your face >dick is titanium >they notice your tiny bulge and mock it >one of them has to shit >squats over your lap and lets loose >it's runny but there are big chunks >smells fucking horrible >you grab a chunk and taste it >dick is diamonds >beg them to let you fap >they make you use the shit as lube >furiously rubbing micropenis >they take turns pissing in your face >unintelligible moans emanate from your mouth >OOOOAAAAHHHHHHAAAAHHHHHHH >they're laughing at you >OOOOOOAAAAAAAHHHHAAAAAAH >HAOOOOOHAOOOOOOHAAAHGHHH >they laugh even harder >OOOOOOBAAAAAMMMMAAAAA!!!!! >cum buckets
>>719671830 Because both sides knew it was a race to 270. Both sides had agreed that the EC would determine who would be president. Yet as soon as Hillary lost popular vote becomes the biggest thing ever, and the EC was unfair.
>>719672284 No there isnt. But thats a detail of a particular government system. To put it another way- is it a good idea to make all laws that can never be changed under any circumstance? Well if not, you need politics. Hell, you need politics just to decide on the laws in the first place.
>>719662726 The states and the federal government are closer to European countries and the eu than provinces are to most countries. That and the ec makes it so politicians don't just cater to the top 5 cities and abandon everyone else. Take new Zealand for example, the main cities do well while the other cities are shitholes.
>>719672722 no sorry. you are intentionally an idiot. it's not hard to figure out a system without politics. and you know what. it doesn't require extremes like anarchy or dictatorship to be much better than what he have right now.
if you fail to think for yourself. WELCOME TO BEING A LAMB IN THE LAND OF THE TRUMP
>>719660000 He wasn't democratically elected. He was elected by a system that gives people in certain rural areas 4 times the voting power of people in urban areas. He lost the popular (democratic) vote by a lot. He only became President because he won the weighted (electoral college) vote. Unfortunately for him, approval ratings are not weighted. That's why you're seeing massive protests and low turnout in the audience at his inauguration.
>>719672846 child- it is IMPOSSIBLE to image a system without politics. You cant even seem to do it in broad strokes. Some people have to make laws, and enforce them, and judge them. Whoever those people are THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF POLITICS. You dolt.
>>719672030 I don't have to imagine it. I've seen it. Sociologists are studying the LHC specifically because nearly all of it is not structured whatsoever, and functions best in an ad-hoc anarchistic chaos. It seems to run against the grain of everything we know about the primitive human social mind, but, over many previous organizations requiring that much cooperation, they found this lack of traditional human hierarchical structure greater enables the free flow of information, increasing the rate and quality of discoveries and solutions to problems. This is also how certain space stations have functioned, and occasional antarctic research stations have functioned from time to time, between periods of asshole governments stepping in, exerting their influence and fucking everything up.
Too bad society isn't full of individuals as intelligent and committed to cooperation and pure research as, the most intelligent people on earth...
>>719672621 Not all votes were counted, absentee ballots are not counted unless the race is close enough to justify it, absentee votes traditionally go about 66% Republican. The united states is not a strict democracy so it doesn't even matter, gr8 b8 m8, I bit, now go fuck yourself to death.
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