Hey b, im thinking about transitioning, i know where to get estrogen and all but foes anyone have tips, or anything i should watch out for, any bad side effects, im 18, i really tiney with like a small everything but my bum is ok, im worried about being passing too.
For a start estrogen on it's own isn't enough. you also need to block the effects of testosterone on tissue reduce the conversion of testosterone to DHT. Without knowing the levels you have you won't know a safe dosage. Really you need to see a doctor but it'll be at least a year before they start HRT
>>717640360 They want to make sure that you A) wont commit suicide as rates are very high and B) that you really want to transition (as going back can require surgery after breasts develop and it may effect your ability to have children)
Transitioning on paper is quite easy (depending on the country you live in). You definitely won't find a good surgeon who will do the operation on throat (reduce adams apple) and genitals unless you have been transitioned for a few years.
>>717637410 Hi, I'm going through the process myself and seeing an endocrinologist soon. You should check out local LGBT groups, as you will find that many people go through the same issues you've no doubt experienced. They can also point you in the right direction for the necessary medical and legal changes. Good luck and don't let the world tell you who you should be!
Look into taking a high amount of isoflavones daily because it gets your body to produce natural estrogen rather than having to inject it or taking pills that are addictive. Red clover is a high source of isoflavones and very affordable and easily accessible online
>>717642317 There are some things you can do without drugs. Hair removal, waxing or epilators are best for short term. Or you can have you hair permanently reduced with lasers. Good make up can do a lot for the shape of your face. Voice training takes a long time to sound realistic. You can get a voice coach or practice "voice shadowing" someone you want to sound like. Women tend to have larger hips and men tend to have larger shoulders. Choice of clothing can disguise this but there's some other things you can do. Exercises like side lunges can help improve the look. Corset training reduces the size of your mid section over time so your hips look bigger.
>>717643065 Isoflavones are a type of phytoestrogen. The other 2 types are coumestan and lignans. At best they are about 1/300th of the strength of human estrogens so transiting on these is probably impossible. Fungi produce stronger estroges but as far as I know they are very toxic. The commercial stuff they use is normal estrogen from mammals (filtered out from horse piss).
that stat is not entirely accurate. It all depends on Dosage. I take around 800 - 1000 mg of red clover daily and see results within a couple of days. I'm sure if you take more it will be even more dramatic. red clover has potenitally 10 times the amount of isoflavones than any other source. you will need to reduce testosterone, so what I usually do is also drink redwine, beer with high amount of hops, smoke marjuanna, and masturabte frequently everyday. :3 I also take 1000mg of biotin for hair and nails. Men and women look at me all the time and comment on how good I look. There are other ways of course but this was my way of doing it
I don't think natural estrogen produced by your body are actually phytoestrogens... (sort of a pseudo estrogen that goes directly into your blood) but I could be wrong.. phytos come from flax seed oil and other food/oil that have it in the actual content and doesn't trigger your body to produce natural estrogen.
There some other things you can do like taking cow uterus pills or something like that... I think it's called spironolactone. But that sounded gross to me because I'm vegan... (another way to increase estrogen and reduce testosterone)
>>717639031 okay, this all bullshit and you're going to get trolled hard because you're stupid enough or desperate enough to post here.
and why am I being that guy but whatever, dude, if life is shit - that is NOT the time to be making a life altering decision. This is not, what the fuck I'll just be somebody else. That will just make it much, much worse. Fix your head first, then, if you want to become a fuck bitch, we'll gladly abuse you. if you become one now, you will be all whiney and crybaby-ish, we fucking REALLY hate that.
>>717647031 Im not a cry baby, i hardly ever complain, all i really want is to be a girl and find a boyfriend and just basically be his, also i have other dreams. I hate being a boy though, it feels fucked up when i look in the mirror
>>717646388 as I said I was doing more than just taking red clover so my results were a combination of a lot of methods.
I'm also vegan for one. I use a topical cream mixed with teatree and lavender oil (which have been known to increase breast size after daily use)
General results are everything you'd hope to see... softer, more glowy skin. breast size increase (as well as that feminine boob hang) biotin really haleped with the hair and nails. I've always had a more feminine voice so that one was already down.
I had gone to an LGBT group council session where A LOT of male / female in betweeners were totally eye balling me and trying to hook up with me.
Everyone's different though. I don't really have any good reason to be posting any of this so I'd say if you think I'm trolling.. do your own research. :3
>>717647344 No, I have just a few trans friends. If you live in a city there will be people who can guide you through transitioning without you family knowing at first. Really you should have a blood test first to make sure the drugs you are using will be safe.
>>717648794 you're implying that you owe the fact that you're getting "prime girls" to you transitioning, but the reality is that you're a fucking retard that lives his life accommodating his mental illness in a spectacularly unconvincing manner
>>717649241 not really, i have an amazing job, no i am trying to dispel the idea many try to throw around here that no one will love you anymore and such. It is you who have issues for obviously being closeted, or should I say basemented.
It's unfortunate that you were born in a time when your mental illness is left untreated out of fear of reprisal from politically correct bullies. Now you are deciding to mutilate yourself and wreck your immune system with drugs and hormones and a instead of getting help you are getting accolades.
This is a fucked up new world and you are going to fit right in, until cancer kills you in your 30's. But at least you can look forward to all the cancer pity you are going to reap.
>>717650025 That's good you don't drink because youre 18 right?
You have to make the decision on your own if you want to transition. I can't walk you through it. There are group council sessions available that I suggest you attend. I got mine through my psychologist.
Everything I use has been posted so take notes.
To be honest you can find most of the ingredients from in-store menopause formula. but it can be expensive.. which is why I switched to online stuff. The one I started with was called estro soy plus.about 20 dollars a bottle with like 30 capsules.
Ever heard of Nato? it's a japanese dish (fermented soy bean) and your body absorbs it much more quickly.
>>717645894 red clover is a fairly good source of isoflavins and coumestans for weight...when dried....but that's a lot of red clover. I can see 800-1000 mg reducing testosterone level but that alone wouldn't be effective enough per weight (otherwise we'd have loads of trans cattle which consume a lot more for their weight).
Masturbation doesn't effect testosterone level over long periods of time. Alcohol and marjuanna do but would be less effective than something like glycyrrhizin.
Don't do anything irreversible like surgery or hormones, because TG hit the wall like a decade earlier than real women, so you'll end up going back to being a man or killing yourself if that isn't possible when you realize you won't pull any attention even from desperate drunks anymore.
>>717651350 "normal" medication aka estrogen pills WILL shrink your penis and are addictive. red clover, and isoflavins, haven't shrunk me at all, though I have less fluid when I ejaculate. ( but yeah that could als be de to alcohol, marjuanna, and masturabation everyday ... heh..)
>>717651350 penis and testicles don't die under treatment (testicles shrink and after a few years of treatment you become irreversibly infertile).
There is not documented evidence that I know of, of someone transitioning using "alternative medicine". On there subject I know of 1 medical case where a man grew tits after drinking very large quantities of soy milk (high in isoflavones) (although this didn't effect testosterone). I believe similar levels of isoflavones have been shown to not be effective on their own which means something more complex was happening in that case. There's also a paper there prepubesent boys (low testosterone) started to grow breasts after using tea tree oil.
There isn't a whole lot of research in the area and the known methods are far better. If someone has found away of transitioning without using plants it's probably an unknown mechanism effecting the aromatase (which is responsible for converting testosterone to estradiol)
>>717652945 energy drinks and high caffeine intake will do it if you can manage it. You could also try avoiding Zinc or possible taking too much zinc but becareful about that because you can cause liver damage or die
As I said glycyrrhizic acid (found in liquorice root) has been shown to have this effect. Although more than about 20 grams of liquorice root would be dangerous for other reasons (in candy terms that would be about 500 grams of soft candy). Large quantities of diindolylmethane (found in some vegetables) might also work but that's would be pushing it a bit.
>>717654006 Not exactly. After a year most of the fat redistribution would be reversible without surgery with the exception of areas like breasts which tend to grow more. Gynaecomastia can effect men who haven't had estrogen so surgical reductions isn't an uncommon operation. After a year you would probably still be fertile if you stopped (depending on dosage) but fertility is very complex.
>>717655497 This. you rock for being honest. "normal" medication is something you should consider only if you are 100% about transitioning, which is why the alternative methods are more favorable for starting out
>>717645894 I've been taking like 200mg of isoflavones, 2g/day of hops, and 1.5g/day of 4:1 red clover for like 3 months now and haven't seen anything. Maybe improved skin. I just bought a bunch of pueraria mirifica powder and started taking that though. I've maybe got a bit of testicle atrophy, and I've noticed I don't cum as much either though, so maybe it has done something. I'm not even sure I want to go through with this anymore though. If I went full trans it would obliterate my entire family, social life, and potential careers. Even if I grew tits from messing around with hormones I'm sure it's just as bad.
>>717656180 Everyone is different and it can be difficult noticing changes on yourself since you see yourself everyday. I mentioned that I'm also vegan which is huge factor, and I use a topical lotion with added tea tree and lavender oil. I also do things to cut testosterone like caffeine, beer and wine and marajuanna daily.
I've been fortunate to have a sucessful career path in the video game industry and told my family I was gay for simplicity... Most of my friends trailed off onto their own paths and don't talk to me anyway. Overall I feel a little embarassed sometimes around my family and coworkers but i haven't experienced too much negativety. Honestly I attract way more women than I ever did when I wasn't taking these steps
>>717657132 Well I am gay and most people know but where I live it's generally not socially acceptable to be very feminine. It's kind of one the reasons I've always been unsure if I'm trans, while I do want a feminine body and I basically look like a skinny twink my personality is fairly masculine and I don't think I could even fake being fem.
>>717657337 Man thats a tough question, iv had this all my life, but i part of me feels like this idea was planted in my head, but i also have a tendency to doubt myself, i also have realky extream anxiety and depression, anyway, i dont wanna age like a man..... Heres my face, kinda
>>717657415 well fuck being socially acceptable. Set trends and watch how many people will follow. Being gay isn't the same as being trans... I'm actually still only attracted to feminine qualities and a lot of gays are only attracted to masculine. So if that's not you then... no big deal .... do what's natural for you, and maybe consider moving to new areas if the place your at isn't working out. west coast America isn't too bad for trans
>>717658212 I'm probably just going to keep taking the phytoestrogens and see what happens. I bought them in bulk powder form and just put them in capsules myself. It was cheaper than buying bottles but I had to kind of take the plunge and buy like almost a years supply lol They do seem to be something I think. My skin is certainly really really improved so I guess it's worth it for that. No boob growth or anything, which I guess is good cause I just want a more fem body without having to suffer through never being able to remove my shirt again for the rest of my life. I live in Canada in the prairies and being gay here is alright but people still aren't exactly accepting if you go against the norm for your gender even if you are gay so I've generally always been kind of "mannish" I guess at least in public. If I'm with guys I still like bottoming and being more fem I guess but overall I'm still an autistic nerd so it's all pretty awkward lol If pueraria mirifica does what all the advertising claims it does my life is going to be a clusterfuck in a few months if I get tits though. I'm thinking it's mostly just internet advertisers slewing lies though.
>>717659162 thank god. stay there. i dont want your kind here. also, kill yourself you loser. no one cares for you. parents hate you. you got no real friends. you live in a dark room constantly. just end it.
>>717659218 I don't think the phytoestrogens will help a lot but this paper might help you if you haven't seen it http://www.nutrition411.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Phytoestrogen%20Content%20of%20Foods%20Consumed%20in%20Canada,%20Including%20Isoflavones,%20Lignans,%20and%20Coumestan.pdf
>>717657735 anxiety and depression sucks...I know. you seem like a decent human being which this world needs more of. Don't let people get to you, there will always be ones try to bring you down no matter who you are. There are no universal perfects... only perfect universes... so be the best you that you can be
>>717659585 I already know quite a bit about phytoestrogens. I've researched them quite a bit to make sure the quantities I'm using are safe and everything since I'm going a little above what most take. But I guess isoflavones have been used for prostate cancer into like 800-900mg/day amounts just fine, some guys got gyno though. I know they're not exactly going to do a lot but I bought them cause I'm basically on the fence about everything. I don't want to take AAs and estrogen because the effects are quick and then I'd have a lot of explaining to do to family and doctors all in a short time frame even though I'm just kind of trying to test the waters. Plus I'm not sure if I actually want to transition, I'd be okay staying a guy if I didn't end up with huge fucking tits that I had to hide everywhere lol
>>717660238 Ok, heres the short answer, im in college, doing pretty well, my future is pretty mset for me, i have no shortage of good trust worthy friends, i actually just moved out of my parents place, basically the exact moment i turned 18, i think im doing pretty good, how about you.
>>717658910 I looked at your pic and I'm the dude you talked to before, maybe 6 months ago and you lived in Ireland at the time. I quit talking to you because I was dying at the time but I don't think I mentioned that.
>>717659218 That's cool do your own thing... maybe CD for your man if you both enjoy it..From what I understand the phyto estrogen will help circulate estrogen throughout yourbody while isoflavones will get your body to produce more of it. There's a lost of foods with isoflavones in it, but red clover is a lot more potent.
Foods with isoflavones: http://www.isoflavones.info/isoflavones-content.php >>717659585 Thanks.. I'm interested in reading research like these and have read several already
these guys obviously don't understand what it's like to naturally be more attuned to a female identity. If you like feminine things and enjoy anal etc.... Then transitioning might actually be a worth while decision. However, that being said... I only encourage natural processes such as increasing isoflavone intake etc..
I completely agree that it is a mental illness, and I have been catergorized in the alt-right box before, but why the fuck does it bother you so much that someone wants to play dress up? Is it honestly going to cause you to die or harm your family? No? Then shut the fuck up and let the faggots do what they want.
No one is making you agree or disagree with it, but stop being this overarching prick that needs to tell people how to live their own lives. Check yourself in the mirror before you speak. Cause the person that has a toothpick in their eye is less fucked up than the person that has a log.
Let them weed themselves out and promote legal eugenics. Have you ever thought about it that way? That is how I have always looked at it. I probably wont see it in my lifetime or the next generation, but hopefully within 100 years, we are weeded of this and then we do not have to have this kind of conversation.
That is why I just let them self-loathe and do this to themselves, since if anything, they are helping our species by eliminating the weak and inferior genetics.
>>717662946 no one hires transgenders to any good job. No one would want to work with you. Your gay lover will leave you and you'll turn into a "toy" that people only use for some dumb one time fantasy.
Again, I have been catergorized as alt-right but I stand proud. Ever seen the movie, Equilibrium? Some of us must take one for the team so the others can go about their lives freely. I choose the libertarian lifestyle so others may be happy. It works out quite well in a place like Uptown near Minneapolis. Women love that I am fiscally conservative/responsible, but also open to the choices and lifestyles make.
Now if we could just get rid of all religion, then the world would be a much better place, starting with the Jews and Muslims.
Transitioning won't make you happy, it just makes you seem even weirder to everyone else. Here's the thing...
Maybe you feel like you should've been born a girl. Maybe you feel like you're female inside. That's okay. There's nothing broken about you. You're perfectly normal. Everybody feels like they ought to be somebody else.
I feel like I should have been born good looking, with a huge cock, to rich parents who liked me. I should've been born looking like Matthew McConaughey or somebody. But, of course, that's not what happened, and like everybody else, I have to deal with reality. I don't get to march in parades or try to get politicians to pass laws making it illegal to treat me like I'm poor and ugly. I can't sue you for refusing to call me "Mr. McConaughey", or for choosing not to cast me in a movie.
At least girls are real things; you're not on here talking about being a half-dragon unicorn snowflake trapped in a man's body. So props to you for that.
>>717663764 LOL Mr. McConaughey.... No I'm with you on that we have to deal with what were born with, but that should stop your from trying to be someone that you want to be... If you want to Matt McConau-gay then work out and take acted lessons. If you enjoy being feminine and feel more comfortable doing that... then why not try it?
You will always be weird to one person or another. Don't waste your time trying to appease others because it will never happen. Do what's right for you
>>717663764 This is pretty much my greatest fear that we might have possibly politicized a mass hysteria type phenomena and that I'm just actively participating in it lol Oh well, I don't think I'm gonna present as a girl in public though. If I take hormones I'll just go femboy-mode, or I'll just stick with plant extracts to feminize more.
>be me >23 >learning how to skateboard to piss off ex girlfriend >go to skatepark >little kids on scooters and bikes everywhere >watdo.jpg >start skating around >one of the parents comes up to me and asks me to leave since i'm "way bigger" than her daughter >told her to succ me >copsarecalled.jpg >cop shows up >crazy bitch runs over to him saying I almost hit her kid and I need to leave >he comes over to me >explain I've been there 20 minutes and haven't come close to hitting her kid or anyone else >explain that I skated around the park once and she asked me to leave >he tells her I can stay >she has an emotional breakdown saying she's going to sue the city >the cop threatens to arrest her if she won't calm down >she complies >I continue to skateboard >cop finally leaves >an hour goes by, everyone at the skatepark is gone except for her, me, & the scooter kid daughter >have my headphones in >I mess up a trick and roll my ankle >I scream fuck >she flips shit >i'm on the ground in pain >she's yelling at me about how I said the F word in front of her daughter >trying to walk it off but she keeps getting in my face and yelling at me >she pushes me >"touch me one more time and see what happens" >she's about to shove me again >before her hands even connect I deck her in the face with my forearm >downshegoes.mov >she starts having a seizure >I grab my deck and go back to skating >realize I could go to jail >get in my car >drive away
so what's the chances of me getting in trouble? there's no cameras. no nothing. the only person that saw me deck that cunt in the face was her retarded scooter kid daughter. she was probably 7. so she's not completely retarded but she's still 7.
>>717664295 This IS a realistic approach you butthurt lowlife. Trans ... as all types of people complain about not having a succesfful career life because they don't get it. You have to be proffessional and will consistent. It's tough finding a successful job for Lot's of people.
I volunteer regularly to teach English to refugees from low -income refugees and many other places. Giving hope is my reason for existing.
You're a hypocrite and invalidated yourself... not me
>>717639031 This is attention whoring. If you're gonna post things like, "It's stuff. And things......" You purposely left it open so someone could ask you. Just fucking say it. Since you're anonymous it doesn't matter. Fucking faggot.
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