/asg/ - Airsoft General

Yes and yes. I wish I never sold my nv scope though.

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>>3081597
>Ever use night vision in a game before? Did it improve your night game?
My squadmate during my first night game was our squad's lookout because he was the only one who had night vision. He had a single AN/PVS-14. I asked if I could look through it before we started playing and he let me. Absolutely blew my mind, it was the first time I've ever looked through nightvision. Rest of the game I was on my own eyesight of course. Still had fun, met up with my team's captain and we laid down in a ditch waiting for the enemy to pass us. Once they did we got up and took out two guys on the hill next to us. Watched my tracer BB hit the guy I shot right in the face

>>3080663
>Daytona guns will never have a production rate

>>3081597
>discord servers
>implying this isn't a shitty and desperate try to stay relevant
>implying this isn't shilling for MSW and being a ref on it

I want doomed to fuck off from /asg/ and take this shitty community drama with him, thank you very much.

>>3081767
this

why can't we just talk about bbwarz instead of shitty community wars and circlejerking?

>>3081767
>I hate the discords
>I'll point out how much I hate the discords
>I just want to talk about airsoft
>but I'll bitch about doomed and the discords
>I wish people talked about airsoft

You're no better than the people that made the avatarfags into the monsters they were. Drawing attention to it only highlights the issue.

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>>3081597
/K/ASP/IAN BREAKOUT POST

HELLO COUSINS! WE'RE IS GOING TO MSW AGAIN THIS YEAR. /asp/ AND /k/ ARE TEAMING UP TO BRING THE GLORY OF MURDERCUBE TO NATO, WHILE WE DEFEND ASTRAKHAN FROM TRYHARD INSURECTIONISTS.

The facility has moved from Guardian Centers in Perry, Georgia to GTI in Barnwell, South Carolina, but nothing else changes, we're still going to be the best gopniks there. Game is still from October 20-22. We're still going to get baller southern BBQ after the event. We'll have blank gats, blank machine guns, night vision (including rentals), cheap af Russian pryo, and unmatched autism of camaraderie.

We ALREADY have enough for a full platoon of salty slavs and we've had zero attrition due to the venue change. SO, if you wanna roll with the deepest platoon of militia defending this nuclear facility, join the OG discord server and inquire within. If you think you can't make it for logistical reasons, swing by anyway. We're going to have carpools, hotel shares, and gear, uniforms and gats for lending to those who need it. We have room for plenty more, but no telling how long that will last. Join today!

http://discord.me/asg

NO TELLING WHEN A PLATOON OF THIS TYPE WILL COME ABOUT AGAIN. IF YOU WANT TO EXPERIENCE MILSIM WITHOUT THE TRYHARDS AND SELF-IMPORTANT TARDS, HERE IS THE BEST OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO!

p.s., salty faggots who're assblasted someone is actually organizing anons successfully need not apply.

>>3081838
I remember hearing that the /asp/ squad was one of the absolute cringiest, or was I thinking of Oxide's blank fire /k/ squad? All I know is that some friends who went to Grozny were commenting on how "I could totally see that 4chan squad slipping some real rounds into their blank guns".

>>3081782
>why can't we just talk about bbwarz instead of shitty community wars and circlejerking?
Because you all like shitty community wars and circlejerking.

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>>3081838
>overblown slav memeing
>goofy outfits
>adidas
>tracksuits
>gopniks

Is it really so hard to play as a Slav without being cringe on two legs?

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>>3081924
Track suits are just theming and also accurate. Slav meming is inevitable, whether we're there or not, whether it's track jackets or gorkas. It's part of the fun. If you don't like the idea of track apparel, there's a couple of squads dedicated to accurate Donetsk impressions. While it seems really cringy from the outside, that's pretty much all LARP. When you're in the moment, it's much less dorky.

But hey, we're a bunch of grown-ass men who run around in the woods playing military dress-up shooting plastic bbs at each other. I don't know if we want to talk about how "cringy" our hobby is.

>>3082009
We're all a bunch of faggots.

Why can't people just accept it and have a good time?

What is some advice for new players without a budget? Should I still just get a cheaper gun? Paying more money isn't really an issue and I'd rather just get something better right at the start.

>>3082009
>playing military dress up
This is why I dont wear any of that. Just a shirt and jeans. All the dress up shit is useless. I can't help but laugh at people that have all that gear like they're going into a real combat zone.

Airsoft is just a game. I treat it like one.

>>3082042
Get a decent gun, and surplus bdu's.

>>3082073
Trying to figure out what a decent gun is. Pastebin only talks about cheap starter guns and googling shows me lots of advertisements.

>>3082114
What style of gun do you like?

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>>3082114
Don't know if this is helpful, but I'm basically a newfag (haven't played in 5 years or so)

Asked around here, and ordered pic related.
When I made an Evike acct they sent me a 25% off code (the code is "welcome")

A $300 gun for $220 sounded like a good starting point to me.

I'm not saying what I just ordered is the best option, I just liked the opportunity to get a higher end gun for a middle tier price.

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>>3082042
It kind of depends on how sure you are you want to get into the hobby. If you've gone and rented guns or borrowed guns from friends and you're sure you can dedicate yourself, yeah, you can get a high quality gun off the bat. If you're still not sure, getting a cheap CYMA or Combat Machine and seeing if you have fun would mean you have a cheap back-up beater or loaner for later down the line, and if you don't like airsoft after all, you haven't spent too much.

I guess my best advice is don't rush. Get something that has utility in the direction you think you might want to go (military kits and so on). Feel out your play style and buy gear that aligns to it. If you want to do a military impression or a cosplay kit, that'll be open to you down the line. There's no shame in just going in civvie clothes for some casual pewpew either. Though big milsim and bblarp events make the expensive kit and uniform worth it for me, it doesn't have to be for everyone.

If you want some specific brand suggestions, Krytek are often cited as the gold standard for high end M4s, while LCT and E&L are often best cited for AK platforms. ASG has a couple of great Czech offerings if you like CZ platforms, and of course the Tokyo Marui recoil shock guns are industry standard for EBB. If you want a gas gun, GHK is largely considered the best for M4, AK, and their AUG platforms, though TM makes a pretty good M4 GBBR too.

>>3082060
>Airsoft is just a game. I treat it like one.
So do I, so what's it to you if I decide to put on 20lbs of armor and two grand worth of kit? I don't think I'm better than you at the game for it, I'm just having fun in my way.

>>3082139
LCT AKs are a great starting point. You can take that gun to pretty much any Russian or militia/contractor kit and it'll last you for years. Just be aware they're a little picky as far as magazines go, so stick with LCT mags when you can. Otherwise you can get an insert that goes into the magwell around the hop-up unit that will make other brands of mags fit and feed better.

>>3081838
fuck off with your shitty shilling and personal cult Liam Farley

>>3082139
And if you're too much of a poorfag for the LCT, there's always the CYMA CM.040c. The finish won't be as nice as the LCT, but they're still rock solid guns.
They do seem to be out of stock everywhere for some reason though.

>>3082164
Good to know.
Many thanks.

My only issue now is how to assemble a slavic poorfag loadout that doesnt involve striped shirts or tracksuits; and that's suitable for southern heat/humidity.

>>3082187
Berezka summer suit and boonie, Tarzan rig, Adidas sneakers. Boom. Late 90s, early 00s recce kit.

>>3082210
Youre a gentleman and a scholar anon.

I knew one of you folks would have an answer.

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>>3082187
>A tyelnyashka
>pants of your choice, I have Butan
>(fake) leather boots
>cheap chest rig like picture related
And that's pretty much it.

>>3082290
Yup, I dig my chicom 63 rig for my AR15, so I was thinking a type 81 for my airshit AK

>>3081597
Hey if I get into airsoft will it help me find an anime girlfriend?

>>3082466
Nah. But f you go to /k/ meetups, you might be able to get yourself an anime girlfriend (male) there.

>>3082475
Close enough

>>3082060
>All the dress up shit is useless
For any practical purposes yes but sometimes dressing up is part of the fun.
I exclusively play WWII and it's really fun to dress up as a nazi/commie and run around shouting faux german/russian. The acting is half the fun and the event organizers I usually play with use plenty of pyrotechnics to make things more fun.
Of course you need copious amounts of tongue-in-cheek and humor for it to work, WWII airsofters who take themselves seriously are almost as bad as kids who think they are as hard and serious as the fags in cowadoody: black cocks.

How's the JG AUG for woodland skirmishing? Picked one up cheap last weekend and want to know what I'm getting myself in for.

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>>3082060
>Camo
>Useless
>Combat rigs
>Useless
In field games and ops where you aren't going back to the car every 30 minutes these things have a utilitarian purpose. As someone who does field games a lot I can tell you that the extra second or two it takes to identify an individual from a landscape of bushes and leafs can make a difference. Granted LARPing levels of gear isn't, but basic shit helps a lot so you don't have to carry around mags in your jeans pockets. Like >>3082644 said though its fun sometimes to play dress up in all that military gear I've been collecting over the years but never had a use for. I've run cqb games before in a "contractor" getup which was a polo, jeans and boots with a chicom on top and that does the job just fine for that, but if I'm gonna be on the field for 8 hours with minimal breaks I'm gonna break out the other shit.

>>3082858
I don't think he goes to more than local pick-up games. People who don't expand their equipment past tshirt and jeans also don't tend to expand their horizons to milsim and field ops. I mean, it's fine. Some of those guys come every week and are some of the friendliest players around, with some great skill, but they're not going to put in the effort to grow past that.

>>3082858
Camo has a real application. But thats not what I meant. I mean the people that are covered head to toe like a navy seal or something in the shit they use in actual combat situation. As far as mags go; I'm the guy from a few threads back. All I have is a shitty a&k m249 I got of a guy. I gutted it and made it as good as I needed it to be. I just carry a few m16 mags in my pockets incase the drum fucks up. For extra bbs, I just carry a bottle in my backpack. I don't play much so all that extra stuff would be a waste of time for me.

>>3082644
Don't take this the wrong way, but the Slav and ww2 airsoft reenactment crowd have been some of the cringiest airsofters I have ever seen. Especially when the gear becomes a fashion statement.

What do you think of this?
https://youtu.be/Ej_shDv7_TU

>speedsofter shoots milsim guy in the dome from close range
>milsim player throws shitfit

While I think it's poor taste to shoot someone up close in such a sensitive area, minimum engagement distances are stupid. That whole it situation would have just been a cluster fuck of people arguing over "who said bang first?"

The milsim players shouldn't bitch though. They want to simulate combat, but don't don't want to feel pain or discomfort while doing it.

>my conclusion
Speecsofters are dicks, and milsim players are crybabies.

>>3083083
All every kit is a fashion statement, my dude. Even the jeans and hoodies guys make a statement with their kit (or lack thereof). Some people act like their kit is a status symbol and we should all worship at their feet because they bought real crye or that their stitching is wrong for their reproduction Wehrmacht uniform. These people suck and suck the fun out of the hobby, but it's as much a pain in the ass for people to have some sort of superiority complex for putting no effort into their kit or hobby. It's fine that you or others put in the minimum effort since you're just not as autistic about things, it's fine that you don't really find goofy slav stereotypes and tired STALKER memes funny, it's not really meant to be, it's just LARPing with your buddies and having fun, and sometimes that means not being so seriously self-aware all the time. Pretend is part of the fun. But faggots who act like they're better because they're casuals who will never aspire to more than pick-up game pubbies are just as bad as the huge-ego milsimers. It just comes across as sour grapes, my dude.

>>3083293
Nah, this isn't even milsim vs. speedsoft, this is some faggot not following the rules vs. some guys who were actually very fucking reasonable all things considered. Regardless of your opinion on MED rules, they were in play and it's entirely reasonable to assume that they will be followed. This isn't even a case of someone shooting at a sudden point blank face-to-face engagement, the shottie kid had the shield guy dead to rights and had his whole body as a target, not just the head. The short of this is, the kid was a prick, broke the rules, got called out on it calmly, and the game continued. Did you even watch the video?

This isn't a matter of the head being the only target, nor a matter of being in a sudden face-to-face confrontation. The MED rule might be stupid in the first place, but it's a rule, one you don't see at legit milsims. But rules are still rules. Contempt doesn't change that, and purposely skirting those rules which everyone is expected to follow is against the spirit of the game.

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Since we're on the video train now, how about this.

Why are there so many cqb videos of cheaters, yet the refs seemingly do nothing to curb it?

>>3084017
CQB areas in a field game are the only time I've had people call their hits all the time. must be something about bleeding on exposed skin at less than 30 feet which does it.

>>3084017
Might not happen as often as it does on an outdoor field.

>>3083611
>All every kit is a fashion statement
I'm talking about the kind of people that wear it out into public thinking it makes them look cool, or thinking people will admire it somehow.

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I'm pretty sure I want to get into airsoft, but I don't know anyone who has a gun I could try out. Canadian, by the way. Anyways, should I just grab a clear plastic shitbox or save some cash and get something I actually want?

>>3082164
how would you rate the d-boys ak?

>>3085598
have you played the heavy in TF2? do you know what the accuracy is on the minigun?

the clear plastic shitbox is like that but bad. dont waste your money

>>3085700
Oh jesus christ. That's horrible. Thanks, anon. I've been looking into that Krytac Vector and the G&P scout/recon m14. Should I go for something more standard or stick with the cool aesthetics?

>>3085598
Save your money. Up against even the most basic bitch hobby level AEG you will cry. Alternately, go to your local field. Usually commercial fields will have rental options.

>>3085661
It's a beginner rifle. The steel ones are kinda nice, if a little thin on the steel. Internals and externals don't beat a cm4X series CYMA though. If you're picking one up on the used market for like $70, it'll probably last you a few months reliably until you're ready for something better, otherwise if you can get a CYMA instead, do so.

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is the eyepro i was issued in BCT good enough or will most fields require me to wear a paintball mask?

>>3085747
I mean, a mask is better, but afaik just having eyepro is good enough

I gotta shell out for contacts though so I can wear eyepro

>>3085747
Eyepro is good. However, a badly placed and high powered enough shot can damage your teeth. I'd recommend one of those steel mesh half masks. You can just drape a cloth over it and you'll look fine.

>>3085235
People who wear their kit in public because it's "cool" are so rare it's ludicrous. 99.9% of the time someone is wearing their kit outside of the field is because either they're too lazy to change after a long day, or they're on their way and didn't want to change once they got there.

Kit worship though, that's a thing. It's always a good feeling when someone notices the time, effort, and money I put into my kit, so I can even understand why people enjoy it, but I already mentioned the shitheads who wear expensive/accurate kit to lord it over other people. They're shitheads, but they're not necessarily representative. I've come across plenty of guys who have worn or can produce accurate impression grade kits, and don their dress-up for the fun of it. Since I'm a bigger gear queer than most of the guys there, I've also never had a problem with Crye donning faggots giving me trouble with their elitism. You won't even notice which guys are using cryes or $600 plate carriers with armor and not being insufferable faggots because repro shit looks close enough to the untrained eye.

You only notice the huge dickheads because they need to make sure EVERYONE knows about their legit LBT plate carrier with level 4 plates and real Airframe helmet with a Team Wendy liner and MSA Sordins on the arc rails, while most guys with all that will keep their trap shut unless you ask about it. I can't really prove it to you. It's just something you start noticing the more you get into gear and know what to look for. There are loads of guys with some really legit kit that just don't brag about it. They get out there and play in it and have fun.

>>3085747
Depends on your field. In the US most fields require full seal eyepro, so typically no. Get a mesh mask if you can too. Protecting teeth is important.

>>3082060
having a chest rig camelbak and kneepads is fine IMO. but plate carriers and ballistic helmets and shit seem overkill.

>>3085747
If its rated to block shrapnel then its good. I'd still get a backstrap just to make sure they never drop off.

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>>3085798
funny, speaking of cry. The US army ended their deal with crye because their shit was too expensive. it's pretty funny actually. we now have our own rip-off of multicam.

>>3081838

why the fuck are tickets 170 dollars?

>>3085730
>Should I go for something more standard or stick with the cool aesthetics?

ARs are by far the most popular style and have the biggest selection of aftermarket shit. once you start moving towards more obscure stuff you start running into expensive proprietary shit that has zero aftermarket selection, which means you're paying a premium for magazines and have less ability to upgrade your internals.

>>3084017
Here's what I can tell you from my time as an indoor ref:

Cqb fields make very little money if any. When I was doing it, we couldn't afford to kick people out. It doesn't help that the ref probably doesn't feel like or wants to be there, and probably is only getting a bag of bbs as payment.

Tl;dr the ref just doesn't care because he hates airsoft.

>>3081838
How many people does this kind of event bring in anyway? The airsoft festival in the UK had 2.5k players, I'm guessing burgers have bigger than that?

>>3087055
The U.K. National Airsoft event doesn't really have an easy analog in the US, but then it's also not really a Milsim event. MSW is a 40 hour continuous event where you're on the field without a break, sustaining. Numbers are typically in the 200-400 range. For this game, it's their biggest game yet, so it could be as large as 800 bodies but more likely around 600. There is a limit. That's not to say that there aren't games that break 1k players. Fulda Gap does so every fall, and there are intentionally large games here and there. Milsim West just isn't that kind of company.

Does the marui m14 use a standard piston? I keep hearing mixed reports. I have the chance to buy a broken one for a good price.

>>3087282
certainly looks like it, and I don't recall mine being anything weird (but fuck stripping that thing down to verify).

How good is the price?

>>3087253
>Fulda Gap
>Warsaw side has nothing but NATO camos
What kind of shitshow is this?

>>3087323
It's a green vs. tan game where Warsaw is tan.

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>>3087420
Yeah but the Warsaw Pact didn't use UCP. I'm not saying you need to go full autism like East Wind, but if you're going to call the two factions NATO and Warsaw, at least use their respective camos.
Imagine how farby it would be if there was WWII game where the allies wore any green camo, and the Axis powers wore tan like it was Sarge's Heroes.

>>3087525
If they did that, they wouldn't be able to pull over 1200 people every year and invite bb celebs. :^)

>>3087253
Does it have an easy analogue anywhere? I'm kind of surprised there isn't a burger version of it.

>>3087290
Guy wants $120 for the gun and 7 mags.

>>3087763
Holy fuck get it. A piston is like $5.

>>3087673
US airsoft is much more spread out and decentralized. Some states have big games, but with the lack of any sort of nationally, or even regionally recognized governing body, there's no space for an "official" large scale airsoft festival to occur.

>>3087863
The closest thing I can think of are commercial venues hosting conventions in regards to some organization in American airsoft.

>>3087863
I wouldn't really call the organisers a governing body, it's run by a store. I'm sure evike or someone could put on an event of some sort.

>>3087525
I'm pissed that Strichtarn isn't even mentioned, and you can pick up a set for like ~$30...

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It's kinda funny there's been WWII reenactment and stitch nazi discussion in this thread tonight...

>>3088831
It's going to be so fucking farby and you know it.

>>3088831
I was thinking that "This will be awesome and I would be so excited to finish that WWII kit I've been working on", but then I saw the price and date and location and said "Meh."

>>3089132
The price isn't bad, but excluding over half the country because you want it in CA sucks. I wish they did something more central, like in Colorado or Texas.

And yeah, the date sucks as well. I'll be in school till the week after it, so I can't go unless I want to take Fs across the board.

>>3089204
Dude, I would totally go if it was somewhere near Texas, but I am not stomaching a 2 day drive for something that costs $50, it's why I have no qualms going to /k/asp/ian.

>>3089204
>The price isn't bad, but excluding over half the country because you want it in CA sucks. I wish they did something more central, like in Colorado or Texas.
That's literally the only thing stopping me from going to their Kazakh Insurgency games.

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>>3089236
Supposedly the next game at Camp Shelby is going to be an insurgency game, and the next Caspian game as well, provided Guardian Centers doesn't cuck them again.

>tfw no 60 hour insurgency game at Camp Lejeune (pic related)

>>3087282
If its just the piston, I wouldn't be worried. Those things are cheap af. The cylinder itself is different, so the piston head might be too. The cylinder head is definitely different.
Make sure its a real Marui, because older Echo1 or KART guns have their own specs and V7 parts won't always fit.

>It's an "Anon spends an entire paycheck for new shit for a 2 day op" episode

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>>3087525
>Be commie faction
>Not using any commie pattern

TIL it's illegal to sell Irish DPM.

What loadout should I make to go with my AUG if I can't rock paddyflage?

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>>3091089
I mean it's illegal to sell CADPAT, and Finnish M05 until recently.
If Paddyflage is too hard to get your hands on, you could always do an Aussie or Austrian Bundesheer kit; I actually think there's a dude here (or used to) that has a Bundesheer inspired kit.

>>3091089
>illegal to sell camo
I guess being a burger I'll never understand these retarded laws

>>3091742
It does kind of make sense when you consider the recent history of Ireland, I suppose.

I'll probably just buy Austrian since it's cheap.

>>3091742
Think of it kind of like ITAR, but it's restricted even to you as a citizen.

>>3091089
That's actually not true. The pattern is proprietary and therefore is only licensed to a limited number of companies such as Arktis, but you can buy Irish DPM uniforms if you know where to look. It's not like the Danes with their fancy M84 flecktarn which they destroy rather than surplus out, Irish DPM is as available as Swedish M90 or French CCE, or Greek Lizard; you just have to know where to look.

>>3091803
And where would one look, given that ebay, irish surplus sites, both surplus stores I actually like, varusteleka and google have all failed to get anything beyond a handful of small shirts?

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>>3091808
You lack imagination. I'll spoonfeed you this because I feel bad for you.
http://www.arktisoutdoor.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=70_128

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>>3091838
>those prices
>for a boring ass camo

>>3091838
...Aaaand that would involve paying more for trousers than I paid for my aug. Fuck that.

>>3087525
>Fleck

That's Tropen/Wustentarn, what the fuck.

>>3091849
Wanna build unique and obscure kit, you gotta pay for it. Welcome to airsoft. Just get your bitch-ass Austrian ODs and and pretend to be Novritsch's spotter.

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>>3092250
And DCU is actually what they call tri-color, "British" is DDPM, etc. Hell it's equally as fucked on the NATO side; they called Jieitai "flecktarn 1".
The best part is that a lot of Warsaw Pact camos are green, and you could technically qualify for the NATO side with a Warsaw kit. I'd love to see that.

>>3092280
That sierraflauge is nice. Any idea where I could get some?

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>>3092309
It looks like some cheapo commercial DPM hybrid. A couple of """surplus""" stores apparently still sell it when you google the name.

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Is it worth it getting all tacticool with your camo?

>>3093647
Get what works with your environment

>>3090323
>tfw enough money to buy HPA
>decide to do it next year, again.

>>3093940
Electromagnet magic guns are only just round the corner. HPA will be dead in the water then. Real Sword are working on it, you'll see.

>>3094083
>Real Sword
Are they even alive?

>>3094149
I think theyre gone but stock still exists

>>3094083
>vaporware is around the corner, hpa will surely be dead!

>>3094083
Legal issues are more likely to kill HPA than magic guns.

Is 8fields better than viper? It's certainly cheaper.

>>3094617
Isn't 8fields chinkiest of chinkshit? What you want to get? It's probably okay for a pouch or two, but a whole vest must be a stiff, smelly, uncomfy out of spec motherfucker.

>>3094462
Their facefuck page seems semi active. Perhaps they're design team is just one guy, hence the glacial pace of their releases.

>>3094607
>legal issues
Poorfags complaining about being lit up by HPA guns isn't going to get them be made illegal.

>>3095204
No, but them becoming section 5 firearms by some very loose interpretation of the legal power limits could.

>>3095212
Air rifles in the USA are never considered firearms because they lack receivers which could be used in a firearm. E&L and other airsoft manufacturers have to ensure that their externals aside from accessories such as stocks, iron sights, etc can't be used to make a firearm under this ruling and thus have to have holes drilled in places such as the barrel and other details like that to comply with the law. Even in Europe I believe a firearm is only identified by the bolt and other internals which can be used to fire ammunition. HPA as far as I know lacks the definition of any country's ruling of what a firearm is, aside from Australia.

>>3095242
I'm not in the USA. Here.

https://www.ukapu.org.uk/ukapu-and-ukara-briefing-on-commencement-of-pca-firearms-provisions/

An airsoft gun capable of fully automatic fire with more than 1.3j of muzzle energy could be considered a section 5 firearm. meaning a mandatory five year jail sentence for owning it. Nobody is entirely sure how this law is going to shake out, and iirc it's europe wide, not just for bongs.

>>3095304
Guess I was mistaken then. I thought you guys had distinct rules over air rifles not being the same thing as actual firearms.

>>3095317
There are power limits, above which it's a firearm.

>>3095324
This makes me glad my country was founded by farmers and colonists rather than academics.

>>3085730
im with you on the vector aesthetics, though its alot to dish out even for gbbr, i would work up to that as a second gun. im in the market for a nice ak. check the ak 12

>>3081597
hey guys
I want to get a G&G MP5, but I have real MP5 furniture (light grip, collapsible stock) and I need a very small (preferably 9.6v) battery to go in between the grip and the outer barrel, because i'm removing the solid stock. here's a pic of the space I have at my disposal, with .308 shell for reference

i'm also assuming i'm gonna have to drill thru the trunnion?

any help appreciated

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>>3096297
forgot pic

>>3096297
lipos may be the best bet as 7.4s can get pretty small.

>>3096442
how much will that affect trigger response/ROF?

>>3096684
It'll improve it a bit.

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>>3096297
>>3096330
You should easily be able to fit a flat cell butterfly or nunchuck battery. As for the trunnion, airsoft MP5 handguards are just plastic shells but you might be able to fit the barrel though.
Honestly I don't even know if Tokyo Marui based MP5s (Which I'm pretty sure the G&G is) is 1:1 with real steel.

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Does /asg/ maintain trigget discipline ingame? For some reason I've always been so autistic about trigger discipline that I can't not acknowledge when my finger is on the trigger as if I'm going out of my way to have it like that, so I'm often in this balance in game of keeping my finger off the trigger yet putting it on because I'm worried someone will pop out and the transition will make me have a slower reaction time. Seriously, I'm so autistic about it to myself that if I hold like a drill or a spray I'll still maintain it out of it being so automatic and natural to me

>>3097588
Trigger discipline I follow, but I don't put my replicas on safety at all.

>>3097588
Being constantly reminded by /k/ does no good to me as well.
i try maintaining trigger discipline as well, but it's super uncomfy ingame, so i tend to disregard it once the first shots fall

>>3096297
>>3096330
I used to be able to fit a 9.6 nunchuck in mine with a bit of fiddling, or a 7.4 lipo nunchuck much easier.

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has anyone here had any experience using/seeing shields being used effectively? I'm buying one most for shits and giggles but i've yet to see anyone use one in a game.

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Who /NVA/ here?

>>3098275
Depends on your site rules. They're no use if the rule is 'any hit on your gear, including your shield, kills you'.

>>3098275
>be me
>friend bought one of the "evike" riot sheilds
>thing is small as fuck
>decide for a long night game to use it for shits and giggles
>have to pick a gat to use with it
>decide on the asg mgl
> proceeds to stick to cqb areas ie "mazes"
>turn corner to see 4 guys trying to stack up at a choke point
>tfw no med with shower shells
>tfw all 4 take 30+ bbs to the face
>tfw the next time we went the feild implemented new rules about the sheilds only being able to use a side arm and have to expose half of body to fire.

>>3098312

see i bought one of the aluminum ones of aliexpress that only has a small square of perforation to look through, since i think those plexiglass shields are cheating considering you can just spot for people with no fear of being hit.

>>3098295
Looks bretty good

>>3097840
thanks dude
it looks like they're flexible, since they're not cylindrical cells

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>>3098295
Ich bin /NVA/!

>>3098495
Finish painting your fucking wall.

>>3098497
Nein! (Kinda been like that for a few years, too little time to actually get it done)

>>3098503
You could have finished that section in the time it took you to put your gear on you lazy fuck.

>>3098513
Hey now, this is /asg/, not HGTV...

>>3097588
It's just airsoft. No one gives a shit about your ND and no one will die from it. You can, and will, learn something if you ND, and just call that guy unlucky if he happens to be in front of your gun's muzzle.
It's what airsoft originally was, simulated firearm training.

>>3098513
>>3098516
We /diy/ now

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>>3098495
Look good Genosse! Good to see fellow Mot. Schützen.

One question: What rank are you sporting on your shoulderboards?

Do you have your best sniper yet? And why is it not blessed by NOVRITSCH?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXRtpJckv_M

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>they have individual site rules instead of regional standard

>>3099188
>Socialized airsoft

>>3099214
>he has to sit in the singles chair

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>>3099188
>snipers have a 10m bang rule

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>>3099243
>person within bang range full autos you

>>3099243
>provincials say I have no right to shoot 130 m/s guns on distances below 20 meters
>while the airsofters of capital shoot from 10 meters

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>>3099243
>>3099255
>bang rules in general

this shit is mad homo. if you're this worried about getting hurt then WEAR ARMOR.

>>3099518
This.

If you find yourself within close range of an opponent, that should be an opportunity for the two players to prove who is quicker off the mark, not who can blurt out 'bang bang' fastest.

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>>3099518
This. Blindfire should honestly be legal too but too many people would complain, and speedsofters would exploit it too much.

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>>3099518
Only time I've ever taken a bang or surrender was when someone managed to get behind me and jammed his 1911 in my back

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>>3100125
I still like the one time that me and some other guy turned the corner at the same time, our were right in each others chest, and we just both said fuck it and walked off field.
Somewhere, some dudes have black eyes and fat lips over the same exact scenario.

>>3099007
Second Lieutenant, but I have yet to attach the proper rank pips...

>>3100139
I can't believe I forgot to fix that to "our guns were right in each others chest". Fuck.

>>3099518
>>3099773
>>3100037
Tell it to the insurance companies, my dudes. Bang rules might feel like a stick in the mud, but for pickups it definitely shows who's a good, honorable player and who's going to cause problems. Mutual bang kills and all the other issues people take with bang rules have clear solutions, while all the conflicts that come up are a result of a failure of sportsmanship. If someone is being a cunt and shrugging off bang kills, bring it up with the ref just like they were shrugging off hits normally. If you end up in a conflict for who said what first, be the bigger man and call the hit. Bring it up with a ref later. If you get hit inside of MED, give him a chance to apologize and if it's consistent, bring it up with a ref like every other rule infraction. If you go to a good field, they'll address the issue.

Bang rules have simple logic to them. If you end up with a conflict, the correct answer, like every other Airsoft conflict, is to always be the honorable player, even when your opponent is not. Be the bigger man, because as long as miserly (((insurance companies))) keep our sport above board, you'll have to tolerate them for pickup games. May as well not get booted from your local field for skirting them. Go to legit milsims if you want to avoid them.

>>3091146
Selling M05 has never been illegal, and neither has been possession, or anything.

The issue with M05 has been is that the pattern is owned by the Finnish Defence Forces, and they held a very tight grip on it - thus nobody could produce it.

Naturally Russians gave no fucks and cloned it as the Jagel. The Belgians (Seyntex) also copied it and sold it to Luxembourg, despite FDF's strict refusal to, this leading to FDF cut their contract with Seyntex.

But, so, owning and buying M05 is entirely legal, if you just can get your hands on it.

t. professional snownigger

>>3101573
It's legal as long as it's not property of the FDF.

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>>3100215
Noice, get those pips Genosse!

Personally I'm sporting Stabsfeldwebel.

>>3101573
Ah okay thanks for clearing that up. I just remember last year that Varusteleka was like "WE CAN FINALLY SELL M05".

>>3102451
More 'we can produce our own', the copyright on the pattern ran out.

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What's the general consensus on red dots for pistols? They just just look so damn cool im on the verge of cashing out to get one just for the aesthetics.

>>3102529
Red dots on pistols are fucking great. There's a reason why IPSC shooters put them on their pistols.

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>>3098275
To start, a caveat: MOST fields won't let you use shields of any type. The CoD kiddies ruined that years ago by being little speedsofter shits who didn't call their hits. Only two fields in range of me (Chicago-Milwaukee area) will let me use my shield, and the only one that's really local to me lets me use it under a couple of conditions. The main one is that my shield is a replica of a real Russian Vant-LM, is only about torso sized, and weighs about 15lbs. It's like running around with an LMG strapped to your arm while also trying to maneuver a pistol.

Second condition is somewhat self-imposed, but it definitely sold the set-up to the field owner to make me an exception to the rule, and that's I'm in full armor. I'm wearing a fully ballistic armor carrier that weighs about 25 pounds, and a real ballistic helmet that weighs about another 5lbs or more (I have a couple).

All the extra weight and being limited to a pistol balances out that I'm able to block roughly any rounds coming forward center mass, and it's tremendously valuable in clearing out tight spaces. If you're in good enough shape, you can do explosive entries solo and take randoms before they're even ready for you. Most of their shots will be center mass in a panic, so even with a small shield it can be intensely useful.

Fulfilling those conditions isn't cheap. The shield cost about $200, the armor overall cost me nearly a grand, but that's because mine is all issued Russian gear. You can fulfill armor domestically and build a shield based on LEO shields out of scrap metal. Just remember weight and dedication count. I was able to use my shield only because I made the effort and played cleanly and called bang kills even if they were up front. If you want to get one of those Plexiglas shitter shields, ask your local field if they're permitted, because I had to jump through a whole lot of hoops first.

tl;dr Use Milsim West shield rules and play clean, or you might not get to shield it up.

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>>3098275
>>3102701
I still like the idea that one guy at my old field had where he made a shield out of layers of cardboard with a view port made from plastic packaging. It meant that most shots would be deflected or embedded in the cardboard, and high power or sustained fire could degrade the shield over time; the plastic view port could also be pierced by a rifle after it got shot up enough, which made people focus more on aiming instead of just hosing the shield down.

Also since you brought it up, what are some good fields in the Chicago area? I've been here for about a year now but all of the places near me seem to be over an hour out and are just paintball arenas.

>>3102551
>There's a reason why IPSC shooters put them on their pistols.
Because they are rich and sponsored?

>>3102529
They're aesthetic but most pistols aren't good past 100 feet save for a few brands and models.

>>3102825
If you're willing to go into Wisconsin, Black Ops in Bristol is where they let me use the shield. Otherwise there's an indoor arena in Milwaukee that's run by good folks and dodges most of the indoor cancer. If you wanna coordinate something, there's a small group of Chicago/Milwaukee fags in the OG discord.

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>>3102529
I unfortunately can't get much use out of em' but they're undeniably cool as shit. I suggest getting something like a C-more that isn't attached to the slide but on the side with one of those funky yet oddly appeasing mounts.

So apparently in the UK the legal FPS limit is 350. Will this be noticeable? Is airsoft a bit shit and cucked in the UK?

>>3102977
Why would it matter? The 350 is for full auto guns, bolt actions and DMRs can run higher (500/450 respectivley at my site), but those have MEDs. Regular guns don't.

>>3102993
But isn't 350 in a woodland area just woefully underpowered compared to what we can do in the US?

>>3102994
I'm a bong, so I wouldn't know what you usually do. Doesn't feel underpowered to me.

From what I understand though, you guys favour midcaps and milsim rather than hicaps and fucking about like we do over here.

>>3103002
>not liking midcaps over hicaps in general

How much roo is too roo in kangaroo pouching? I run 2 deep for my AK but I feel like I could feasibly run 3

>>3082060
You probably suck then. Or just play small field outdoor cqb.

>>3103106
>getting this Assman because Someone don't play wannabe military like him.

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>>3103106
>you suck if you don't wear gear

anyone else feel nervous about getting milsurp for this? feels like stolen valor

>>3103219
Why does everyone think that wearing camo = 'stolen valor'?

>>3103268
I don't know. I get irrationally nervous about a lot of stupid things like this.

>>3103278
I wouldn't worry about it.

>>3103219
I went to an Army Navy store today buy some shit and 80% of the people in there buying Milsurp were airsofters. As long as you're not wearing patches (Unless its historical LARPing) or ranks (see the first brackets) you didn't earn people won't care about you wearing your 6 dollar flecktarn jacket.

>>3103219
As long as you're not wearing rank or unit patches, 99% of people won't care. Hell, milsurp stores wouldn't exist if buying old gear would get you called out for stolen valley ranch.
Surplus stores sell most of their stuff to airsofters, paintballers, and collectors; I can't think of many discharged soldiers that are going to want the stuffy BDUs or IOTV that they wore back in ten years ago.

I found someone selling the elusive and unicorn cyma metal 74 midcaps if any burgers want them
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B072BJ3XRF/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

>>3103367
Cool, can finally go for that Polish Tantal feel...

>>3103034
>"Get ready - the enemy is advancing toward our position! I can hear 4 - no, 5 HiCaps and one fat guy breathing!"

>>3103988
my fucking camelback makes more noise than my hicaps.

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Why do some players feel the need to rice the fuck out of their guns?

I see so many guns covered in natty little gizmos, but sound like they haven't even been shimmed.

Hey /asp/ what has ruined airsoft for you, if it ever happened?

I used to be in a tight group until a girlfriend of a friend got involved and had a vigurous hate for me. She could not help herself but spit fire about me every time we went it ruined the complete game for me.

>>3103002
Midcaps are just superior in regards to use and feeding. No winding every 30 shots, no noise. Also yes we like to LARP a bit more but I'd say thats a side effect of our gun culture and most airsofters I know who are long term players where I am are /k/ tier.

>>3104525
you should have a little chat with your supplier, because my camelback sure isn't as loud as a starting jet's engine

>>3105291
>females ruining another male dominated nerd hobby
color me surprised. I've only met 3 girls in airsoft who weren't that bad and pretty good and they were gfs of hardcore airsofters who probably would dump them if they complaining about another daytonagun purchase.

>>3105317
they started complaining*

>>3105291
For me, it was mostly working for an airsoft cqb field. The little kids and the tryhards alike. Many other things went into hating it, but those are the things that transcend my individual experience.

>>3105234
I think most people have a ricing phase or at least an urge. When you're especially new you may get this idea that all that stuff will enhance your performance, but in reality like you said they haven't touched the internals and are probably running with a 40 dollar Condor chestrig with cumbersome pouch layouts.

>>3105291
Becoming an adult with commitments and responsibilities. I only go to games maybe four times a year now.

>>3105291
Community is uneven here, games didn't happen often when it was prime time for me.
I hope to make up for that when getting a car and stable job, but man, being 25, it sucks being a decade older than some players.

>>3102977
I wish we had a 350 FPS limit. FPS race made airsoft kind of shitty for weekday warriors/newbies.

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>>3105725
>Wanting more CQB/speedsofting oriented guns

>>3105748
Nah, I play outdoors mostly. I just want those fat fucks to get closer instead of shouting to call your hits at ~75m+ because they believe their guns are accuarte at this distance.

>>3105291
the local scene is dead
as far as online, popularfags being exposed of cheating or being cunts
>>>>>unicorn leah
>actually posts videos where she is getting lit up but ignoring it
>despite her being hit being completely audible
>shrugging hits and making videos about players telling her to call it

>>3105234
A large part of airsoft is aesthetics so people will obsess about aesthetics

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>>3105854
No fucking way that is real. Someone throw some sauce my way I have to see this.

>>3105725
What is the limit, generally speaking, on US fields?

>>3105957
jesus christ its like the proofs i've actually watched have been scrubbed from the internet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiIzBJZXmIk
I can't fucking find it, but the person who tells her to call her hits was actually recording and posted it on youtube

>>3105661
Yeah this is pretty much what did it for me.

Hey /asp/ Which one should i get or do you guys have any suggestion

https://www.evike.com/products/45329/
https://www.evike.com/products/56825/

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>>3105661
Pretty much this. Yesterday was the first day I went out in a long time.

>>3106052
Get the one that you like more.

Of those two, I'd get neither though, they're both pleb af.

>>3106052
>boring as 1911 custom
fuck that

>>3106086
>>3106089
I'm just trying to get a new pistol sub $150 usd with not uber expensive mags and upgrade routes if you have any suggestion LMK

>>3106052
i have the m22 but i don't field it so it's just a plinking gun

>>3106102
Who's this semen demon?

>>3106052
Get a KJW 1911 government model and then get wood grips for it

>>3106011
If you were specifically asking me, no idea, I'm from Eastern Yuro, and we only have *wink wink* limits.

>>3106320
Which one?
https://www.evike.com/products/29580/

http://www.airsoftgi.com/product/KJW-M1911-Government-Single-Stack-Pistol-GBB-Airsoft-Gun-Black-2533/

http://www.airsoftgi.com/product/Colt-WWII-1911-Government-Pistol-GBB-Airsoft-Gun-By-KJW-Black-30196/

>>3106389
You can't put wood grips on the Hi-Capa, but you do get a larger magazine and some prefer the fatter double stack grip.

>>3106011
400 for lmgs and rifles with full auto capability

450 for guns with semi auto only with 100 foot safety distance.

500 for bolt actions.

This is at my field at least. All readings are with a .20

>>3106389
The single stack ones

>>3106648
>>3106484


I do prefer the single stack design, i used to have one awhile back, is there any difference between the two besides the tagging

What the hell kind of shop sells out of spec M100 springs? Fucking thing won't even fit over my spring guide.

>>3106496
UK is basically the same but full auto limit is usually 350 (some places as low as 330). Our laws/guidance are always a few degree more fucked than yours.

I've heard you guys don't use pyro very much though.

>>3106655
If theyre both kjw theyre the same thing

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>>3106389
Fuck single stack pistols.

Get a TM/compatible Glock/M9/P226.

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>>3106688
Or a double stack 1911

>>3106668
It depends. Most of the walk on games don't do it. Every once in a while my local field does it. I've never been to a milsim, so I can't comment on that. I'm a fility casual.

>>3106688
24 rounds 1911 mags nigga and a e s t h e t i c s > that shit

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>>3106713
Yeah nah those Para Ordinance styled ones are ugly as sin.

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>>3106738
Oh and the Kimber styled one is pretty nice too.

>>3106738
I love mine, but I'll admit I have questionable taste.

>>3106734
>>3106680
>>3106648
>>3106484
>tfw you can't any single stacks in stock

:(

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>Ya know I've always been curious about airsoft
>stumble into this thread to figure out more about it

So this is airsoft, huh?

>>3106976
Guns and traps, my two favorite things
>tfw im not even joking

>>3106011
There's no velocity limit written into US law, so it varies based on region/field. I lucked out, since all the local fields eventually adopted the same rules.

350fps/0ft MED for pistols, shotguns, and SMGs/short rifles

400fps/20ft MED for all other rifles

450fps/50ft MED for LMGs and DMRs, with model restrictions for each

500fps/100ft MED for spring BARs

Gas/HPA setups have a slightly lower FPS limit, but they get chrono'd with 0.25s instead of 0.2s.

>>3106668
Again, varies by region/field. Around here, we can use pyro as long as there isn't a burn ban in effect. so maybe three months out of the year.

>>3106976
Its a sausagefest with autist nerds heavily focused around internet forums and social media. Its inevitable.

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I have a bit of a problem and wanted to get opinions from you folks. I have G&P Mshiteen (pic related) that's slows down immensely when shot more than two times rapidly on semi. Sounds like the battery is dying, even though it isn't. Doesn't do that when it's on full auto though. Anyone here ever have a similar problem? If so how did you fix it?

>>3107276
>G&P
Should have just got a vfc.

>>3106022
Is it just me or does her gun sound like shit? It could just be the GoPro but this is the first bbwarz video I've watched where it felt like the gun was going to break every time the trigger was pulled

>>3108276
she probably knows shit about taking caring of her guns desu

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who here military dress up fags

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I escape from the trap shit infecting /k/, and a damn extinct mini-general in wew board gets overrun by trap fags.

Even furries or a dead general are more acceptable than these abominations at this point.

>>3110347
Normally Janny takes care of them pretty quickly, but I guess he took the day off from doing it FOR FREE because of Labor Day.

>>3106998
wat
thats so fucking retarded
why would you chrono HPA and Gas with 0.25s at slightly lower speeds, that only gives them more power, never mind the absurdity that is a gas gun chrono'd in the morning. They always get more energy until 3:00 pm, when temps usually hit their peaks.

>>3110347
Average age here is lower than on k, which means that the trap acceptance rate is higher. Also, your sperging will draw them in like sperging about furries draws in furries. These people do not understand the NAP.

>>3110604
At least furries actually talk about firearms on /k/ desu

>>3110604
They probably chrono like that because they have no fucking idea what joule creep means.

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>>3110784
>poster number didn't change much at all when the trap posting started

Why do we chrono with .20 and not 0.25?
>>3110958
>discord faggotry
Are you surprised?

>>3110961
Where I play we chrono with the weight you're going to be using in game and measure joules.

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>>3091089
You must wait 3 minutes 47 seconds before posting a duplicate reply.

>>3111040
>>3111044
Getting some MGS vibes from this loadout

>>3111044
>>3111040
>Austrian Kit
wew lad
best euro kit

>>3110891
>>3106998 here, can confirm they either don't know or don't care about joule creep.

They make a big deal out of HPA users suspected of tweaking their rigs after chrono, but it's totally cool if tryhard Bobby walks in with his overvolumed Combat Machine and overshoots the fuck out of everyone at 3J.

US sites typically think velocity (and sometimes ROF) is the only thing that matters since their insurance policy doesn't require them to check muzzle energy.

>>3111040
Ayy that's that good shit I was talking about.

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>be me
>at game this Sunday
>make sure gun is ready to go
>shoot about 5k rounds
>had fun despite rain
>go to trip anti reversal latch at home to decompress my spring
>gearbox has a crack by the motor
>fix with jb weld

If this shit doesn't hold.... ;_;

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>tfw 5 years too late to jump on the Fagpul FPG/FMG meme
Will it come back?

>>3112433
i hope not tbqh

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>>3103367
Bought one, can confirm they are the Cyma C.96s and the real deal

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>>3112433
>the FMG came out over 5 years ago

>>3111040
>>3111044
Austrian OD, or whatever it is, is awesome to the max.

Don't 404 on me yet!

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>when you're tired of losing mags in the woods

>>3114513
>Losing mags
Get a dump pouch

>>3114553

but with the jingle janglers i can do the ak flick reloads without worrying about having to pick the empty mags back up

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>>3109859
Here! Hope you at least have foam plates in that, or your dress-up game is weak.

>>3114626

i just stuff a spiral notebook in my vest

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>>3114605
>Not flicking your mags into your pouch

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>>3114651
>Not even basic bitch foam sapi plates you can get anywhere.
Apply yourself! Seriously, real plates improve cardio and endurance. You get better at throwing your weight around during maneuvers.

>>3114777

i have an AR500 plate i sometimes use but i like having a vest i can toss on the ground without having to worry about cracking pavement.

>>3114799
>AR500
>Cracking pavement
Who falls for this meme anymore? desu, get an ice plate for the back, don your front plate, and boom, you've got hydration and shape for your carrier, all in one.

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>>3112559
My outfit ist basically just olive drab. The real austrian bundesheer color is called Braungrau ('brown-grey') or RAL7013, sometimes referred as Steingrau Oliv ('stone-grey oliv'). It's pretty close to ranger green. You can find pictures of Austrian SF mixing theyr standard issue gear with OD or Woodland camo tho.

Pic related: Austrian Jagdkommandos wearing olive pants instead of theyr standard issue KAZ03

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>>3115076

or ill just use my flak vest and spare my shoulders.

>>3116050
Mine too. Inspired by MSF or MGS in general, but I like the PMC style the best.

>>3116207
Gee Bill, your flak vest can carry TWO magazines?

>>3116289

that was before i bought a chicom rig to wear overtop

>>3116223
Post pic

>>3116354
I would need to actually play for once with a camera present for that to happen.

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>>3114626
bih i have reel sapis, fight me

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>the tranny having a melt-down in the discord
Beautiful

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>>3117573
Why would I fight a brother? :^)

>>3118197
Literally who?

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>>3118197
>Going to either of the Discords

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Ok you /asg/ shits, I've been out drinking and socializing with people to join our cause, and what do you know I met one of the founders of the airsoft commnity in my area.

He was there during the explosive growth of airsoft when it got legalized in my country in the early 2000's, he witnessed the downfall of the whole community during the early 2010's when the old breed got tired and no one stepped up to take over.

I, who fought to keep this community alive with a bunch of other souls in our county, told him that even if he was an old divorced man now, he was still welcome to join us for a game, and that his legacy was alive and well.

I hope he'll join us in a couple of weeks.

>>3118465
you sound like a huge autist tbqh

>>3118465
Dude, what poor slavic country are you from where divorce is still a social stigma?

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>>3118240
>>3117573
I bet you dudes play with gas masks too and get off on it.

>>3118465
>even if he was an old divorced man now, he was still welcome to join us for a game

How very generous of you, m8

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>>3118667
Kek, this

>>3102529
IRL Theyre shit. They break. Alot of people say they break on their first trip to the range.

>>3100037
I completley agree. Fuck bang bang, and fuck blind fire rules. Straight bull shit. When I open my field, its going to be all of the above and full auto in cqb allowed. Only thing would be you wouldnt be able to use full auto if the rate of fire is faster on your gun than the actual real firearm equivalents parts rate of fire.

>>3101136
Don't make excuses for bullshit dude. Legit mad at you for this post.

>>3118465
lol get laid virgin

>>3118796
Eh, don't most airsoft guns have higher ROF though?
And it's not like one real BB can compare to one real bullet.

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Bannerlord, oh Bannerlord!
I have cast aside my gown.
Here I shall await for thee.
I beg thee charge me down.

Your lance is hard and long,
quiv'ring in your hands.
Ever am I ready,
Come invade my lands.

>>3119734
Apologies, that homoerotic poem was intended for a different thread.

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>>3118515

>>3119023
Yea, airsoft guns usually do have a higher rof. Some are close to the real rof. My sten and cyma ak are the same or slower than their real counterparts. I wouldn't want it to be a complete full auto shit fest with dual sector gear guns so that would be a perfect restriction.
>And it's not like one real BB can compare to one real bullet.
What? Why? It only takes one bb to be hit and out of the game.

>>3119754
>Why?
Until we can make bbs spin laterally precision is a major issue. Hop up tech hasn't changed much at all really for a decade.

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Anyone here run fictional faction patches?

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>>3119785
>Hop up tech hasn't changed much at all really for a decade.
You can say all you want about TM, but it is really the avantgarde of softair-development. Many other companies just clone their stuff, thus the money doesn't go into development at all. Why would anybody bother to develop a spinning bb-technique just for other producers to plagiate? I think that's why we can't have good things.
Anyways, that's just my take on this subject.

>>3119895
Its because Tokyo Marui still sells well. They may have more competition outside of Japan but they care more about the Japanese market than they do the clone filled west. I can see them figuring out a way to make a hop up which would work and they'd make plenty of money off of it from airsoft collectors in Japan alone.

>>3119914
Maybe you're right. The market in japan is quite huge after all, so i could imagine that.
What bothers me is the fact that so many people have 3d printers and CnC machines for home/hobby use already, yet there's no real innovation in the airsoft scene, technic-wise. This century was supposed to be a homefabbing revolution. Or are we at some point in airsoft where development is no longer needed/ possible?

>>3119942
We're in a post clone boom market. Everyone owns a decent gun now and teching is starting to resurface since for years its just been a rebuy if broken culture due to how cheap clones were. We're already seeing all sorts of crazy magazine adapters and other small things from 3D printing. Wouldn't be surprised if some mechanical engineer figured out how to make a drop in lateral hop up or something and started selling the printed models online. The big issue is that 3D printing is still in its infancy. Give it another 3-4 years and 3D printers will play a huge role in the aftermarket.

>>3119957
So there's a silver line on the horizon, huh. I'd believe 3d printing is quite advanced so far, seeing fairly well-printed molds or templates. It's just that there's no platform (that i know of) that solely specialises on airsoft aftermarket CAD-files, Molds or the like. Maybe i should look into this further.

>>3120037
The big issue is that 3D printing is still seen by the average person as a hobby or a specialized part of an industry. There also needs to be an Amazon of 3D prints site where one can easily search up and buy physical copies of or buy rights to 3D printed designs. Good printers are becoming cheaper than 400 now and soon it will become a tool for many hobbies as well as diy projects rather than a novelty.

>>3120037
Hey, in terms of support for SOCOM Mk23, for example, 3D printing was a Godsend.
Hadron TDC, DTD Holsters and rails, Carbine kits. I went from
>Why did I buy this piece of shit, I can't afford a fucking holster and rail adapter
to
>why did I buy this piece of shit

>>3119754
>why
>tiniest of tree branches in the path
>piece of duct tape hanging off from the wall
>a gust of wind
it's less likely a bunch of BBs will meet the same fate as the single one, especially when shooting through bushes and shit.

>>3119824
MSF my good nigga.
I have an Outer Heaven patch ready for when I actually buy a patch of land and make it into my autism camp.

>>3119824
I have some guristas pirate patches, and some xcom ones I need to put velcro on.

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>>3120941
>>3120941
New Thread, this one is tainted.
New Thread
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>>3120941
>>3120941

>>3119785
That.. That doesn't explain why I couldn't have rules in place that restrict rate of fire. Are you fucking high, like what did that have to do with anything?