/herp/ - Reptile & Amphibian General

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Here's a nice shot of tokay lamellae.

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bonus snek. This is a curl snake (suta suta). Australian. Fairly venomous.

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Please be advised that pacman frog in late tadpole stage are very silly looking.

>>2429620
AYO HOL UP

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Has anyone here actually been able to keep a western Mudsnake (Farancia Abacura) in captivity? I hear it's very hard, since they only eat amphibians and tadpoles; That is, if they eat at all.

>>2429790
Do not bully babby pac froge

>>2429563
thicc

>>2430015

Yeah i'd say that's a bit overweight for an AFT. They look chunkier than leopard geckos just in general but usually not quite that much.

>>2429563
are AFT harder to keep than Leos? I know they need more humidity, but other than that are they much different? how is their temperament?

>>2430069
Honestly you can keep them in the same setup as a leo, just make sure that at least one of their hides is humid at all times. I find my fat tails to be a lot more chill and handle-able than my leos, if not a bit slower and slightly lazier

>>2430056
Maybe slightly overweight but it could just be a female, their tales get fucking huge in most cases

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>>2430069
>>2430220

This is my experience with them as well. They're pretty underrated in comparison to leos I think. Great geckos to keep as pets.

For care I do a 50/50 tile/coco fiber and sphagnum moss setup. UTH under the tile portion. It's the same setup I use to keep pictus geckos (also underrated!).

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I went to the zoo and saw some awesome herps. One of my favorite snakes which I'll never get to own

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this is my in the works cage that I've been tooling with. Gonna try and cut out some rock faces into the foam in the next couple of days but what Im worried about is painting it. I've cut this stuff open before and noticed it was very porous like a sponge, will I have to grout all the walls+the shelf after carving them? I've never worked with grout before but it doesnt seem all that complicated. Any tips appreciated that arent related to my shitty woodwork because im a lost cause there

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>>2430302
I have this decent piece of driftwood I plan on bolting into the wall like this or so and mounting a RHP above it in the corner and then using reptibark as a substrate but this is the general look of it without the foam

hey yall, for any snake owners out there, do your snakes squeak sometimes?

I've had a kingsnake for about three years now and the bugger always squeaks a little bit at night, but now he's been doin it a little more frequently or at least im noticing it more and I don't know if that's a normal thing or not

>>2430307
check his nose it could either be a piece of shed making his breathing more audible or possible a respiratory infection if your temps or humidty went out of balance anytime recently

>>2429792

I tried about three times with little success. I knew one guy who claimed he did, but never could confirm. Their diet is just so fucking specialized, and I live innaswamp where I could actually catch both mudsnakes and chow, but even then I just couldn't make it work.

>>2430302
>>2430306

It'll need some ventilation. What are you planning to keep in it?

>>2430336
jungle carpet python
I havent cut the plexiglass for the door but was intending on drilling holes along the top and bottom of door and then a small vent above cool side if needed

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Curious as to what morphs these leos are. This one came in labeled just as a general Mack snow, and the one in the next pic was labeled as a blazing blizzard. Neither of those things help in narrowing anything down very much

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>>2430397

>>2430346

Okay you may find the humidity gets higher inside than you'd expect. Make sure to test it with heating running and decor installed to figure out how much ventilation it needs for your snek before putting snek in.

>>2430460
Oh yea I already have him in a tub I was/am using for grow out and meant to upgrade him sooner but a flood in august had set me back a good deal and had to focus on other things than upgrading his housing and have only been able to sparingly work on it
Dont even have my house fully functional yet either though so It is a minor mismanagement of time but hes getting big so I do what I can when I got the time to spare

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Is it normal for a dead gecko's legs to twitch when touched or is my old ass girl playing possum

>>2430539

Uh... how long has gecko been "dead"? There can be some postmortem twitching but that'll stop within several minutes. Rigor will set in within a couple hours if definitely dead. Body will be stiff and cold to touch.

>>2430543
She "died" at least some time in the last 5 hours and hasn't made any kind of movements aside from when she's touched. I can see her liver really clearly and she's just been more lethargic lately

>>2430552
Update?

>>2430749
It's been over 12 hours and she hasn't moved. RIP BB

Hey /herp/ in the video here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20HFRaO5sBo
The guy has a few different species of lizards living together in a large room.
Anyways, my question here is, how appropriate is this type of enclosure for the animals?
I ask because I have always wanted to set up something similar albeit a bit smaller.
Thanks.

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Any of you all good with leo morphs? I've been trying to figure out what my girl is but I'm an idiot. She is the one on the left.

>>2430925
He's a bad keeper.
Most of those animals have pretty different environmental requirements and are carriers of benign disease which is lethal to other animals.

>>2430925
I'll admit its a pretty cool set up but it looks like hes got high and low humidity species mixed together, and that doesnt sit well with me

if you're going to do it, give them as much space and things to hide in as possible and try to make sure their environmental parameters roughly match up

>>2430796

Bummer. Sorry anon.

>>2430968

Looks like you've got a Tremper Albino there.

>>2430925
>how appropriate is this type of enclosure for the animals
they eat eachother and need different conditions to thrive, so I'm going to say thoroughly inappropriate

Will any male green iguana you can buy really reach a length of up to 5 ft?

>>2430987
>>2431050
>Most of those animals have pretty different environmental requirements
> need different conditions to thrive
Yeah this was my biggest concern with the video, some of the lizards appear to be more suited to an arid enclosure yet are placed with anoles.
>>2431001
Yeah I mean, I was planning on doing it one day when I had the right amount of time+money needed to dedicate myself to it, and it does make sense that their environments would need to be similar.

>>2431062
that's the average size, they can get bigger too

>>2430925
Better question: Why do you feel the need to put several species in one tank instead of getting several tanks with one species each?

>>2430925
as the other anons stated its executed terribly although a neat idea. I came across the video a few days ago hoping it wouldnt have been such a clusterfuck because he claims at one point to also have a snake in there but the gap in care requirements makes alot of those incompatible
A good youtuber I like that cohabitates is kenan from kamp kenan. He mostly does it with different tortoise and turtle species but also has some iguanas with some tortoises and then a solomon island skink
He may have a few others im forgetting but the guy is pretty rad even if hes started panhandling in his videos recently

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Just saw this, can anyone identify? Spotted on Ko Racha Rai, Thailand, near Phucket.

>>2431185

Monitor. Not exactly sure what kind. Probably water monitor.

>>2430925
The guy didn't do his due diligence...most of species are not similar in humidity and environment..it's kind of unfortunate that he did this...it's alittle deceiving to people who see this and think it's okay to follow his direction..

Friend is dead-set on getting a snake in one week at upcoming reptile show, but has done zero research on caring for it. No talking him out of it at this point, just trying to gather as much info on his behalf as I can.

He's likely going to get a baby ball python. He has a 10 gallon tank (10"×20"12") but nothing else. Please help!

>>2431822
Tell him he needs a 20g long minimum to start with for a baby. If possible, try to redirect him to a corn snake or king snake as both of those are easier to care for than BPs. They are also a lot more active and less shy so he will see either of them more often.

Anyway, for care, just type the snake species + care or care sheet in to google. There is tons of information available on all the species commonly kept as pets.

Anyone have any experience with Tegus? Been thinking real hard on one preferably red or argentine and was wondering if anyone had any hands on experience with them?

>>2432012
They're a lot of work. Diet is pretty varied and they eat a lot. Enclosure must be BIG and secure as they are clever rascals and will exploit any weakness it has to escape.

Behaviour wise they're easier to manage than say equivalent sized monitors. Taming process is generally no trouble and they are one of the few reptile species that seem to enjoy the company of humans in short bursts.

I'd say go for it if you're a responsible person with the space, time, and money to properly care for one.

I left my cellphone on top of my crested gecko's cage when I was really tired after I was filming him eat
I woke up and noticed
Will the radiation harm him?

>>2432505
are you retarded?

>>2432511
Answer the question

>>2432513
The neutrinos emitted in the electron beams that cellphone devices emmit are highly carcinogenic to reptilians.

tl;dr: you gave your gecko nuclear cancer

>>2432505
It takes long term cellphone use to show any noticeable effects and that's only when you hold it right up against your brain or body, so if there is some distance between the gecko, the radiation decreases by a lot
And reptiles are more resistant to radiation and way less prone to cancer than humans
So it will probably be fine
I can understand being tired, coming home from work and feeling out of it and still having work to do for your pets but don't do it again

>>2432521
Interesting. Source?

>>2432526
Me. PhD in Theoretical Herpetology.

>>2432526
Nevermind, you're shit posting
Only thing I found was that wikipedia said that tortoises are way more resistant to ionic radiation than humans and that even rats are even way more resistant than humans

>>2432530
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioresistance
Tortoises are almost 5 times more resistant than humans

>>2432532
I read that wrong, they are over 3 times more resistant though
And if you weigh in the fact that a little bit of distance from the phone from being in direct contact pretty much makes cell phone radiation not even dangerous, and the fact that most animals would feel like they are overheating and move away from the radiation at dangerous levels, it should be okay
Plus it takes long term use of self phones in direct contact
So there's a lot of factors in your favour

>>2432528
That's obviously not a real thing. You shouldn't spread disinformation

>>2432539
Thanks for confirming that you are retarded.

>>2432537
Okay, that makes sense I guess. The shell probably protects tortoises though, but it sounds like it isn't too bad. Thanks. I was just tired as fuck

>>2432540
I'm not retarded, you are posting easily debunked disinformation and I already explained how you are utterly wrong

>>2432544
By the way I'm taking a biology course

>>2432505
It can't be good, but if they were death weapons that instantly killed animals, there wouldn't be so much debate on how dangerous they really are

>>2432544
I have to agree, what he did is not smart, but someone coming here and not sharing any sources and saying ''trust me I'm a scientist/I'm a doctor'' is exactly what shits up a board
This should be a place where we can discuss scientific topics without shit posting

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>>2432563
Now I remember who you are. You're that fucking lunatic who goes on pathetically obvious samefagging sprees whenever he's butthurt.

Forgot your meds again, huh?

>>2432566
I don't have much of an opinion on this discussion I'm just saying I agree that you didn't share anything of value yet claim to be highly educated which will only make people not want to ask anything serious on here
I'm that one idiot who always samefags on 4chan, yeah okay, man, maybe you need some meds. There's over 18 million active 4chan users

>>2432566
Lol either this is some advanced level shitposting or you're a schizo that's butthurt about the imaginary mean man that always insults you on 4chan

>>2430925
He's a dumb nigger that really doesn't know much. Doesn't even give his animals calcium supplements and many of his pets die
But it's interesting to watch it like a fucked up reality show wondering who will get killed off next week and who will survive

>>2431185
Water monitor for sure

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Best vivarium false bottom for bioactive substrate?

>>2432012
They need at least a bedroom worth of floorspace as an enclosure, very costly to feed and cleaning a large enclosure full of huge lizard shit isn't going to be fun

Anyone do bio-active leopard gecko setups? do you still use UTH or do you use a spot light/CHE to heat the tank at that point and the heat just radiated into the hide and provde the temps needed?

Would you turn the CHE off at night? Or leave it on 24/7?

>>2432598
A lot of people disagree with under the tank heaters because it is unnatural and typically confused animals, heat is supposed to come from above
That's just what I heard on forums, but I'd trust them since many of them are advanced keepers
If you can get the same right temperatures with an UTH it would preferable but UTHs aren't horrible
If you have a Bioactive set up with a false bottom, a UTH probably wouldn't be strong enough to get passed the thick layer of substrates, but I've never used them so I wouldn't know for sure

>>2432598
As for leaving the ceramic bulb on at night, that's fine as long as the night temperatures are proper. It depends how cold your house is as night
It's preferable not to use a light on at night
Even an infrared or other ''nighttime lights'' aren't really ideal according to a lot of people these days, but in the past I've did it without any noticeable negative effects

>>2432613
Bullshit

UTHs are the preferred method of heating enclosures for numerous types of herps (leos, snakes, many types of amphibians, etc)

>>2432619
It's definitely not good for burrowing animals which burrow to escape heat, and in the wild leopard geckos burrow. So it's definitely not good for leopard geckos

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Can we get some snake bleps?

>>2432629
Not while the autismo is still busy samefagging, having a conversation with himself.

>>2432631
Who? You still mad you got BTFO earlier?

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>>2432635
>Aspie can't recognize an obvious joke
>spends one hour churning out posts in butthurt
>thinks he somehow won anything

>>2432635
Probably someone called him a nigger or a cuck a few threads ago and now he has a grudge against all random people who disagree with him due to schizoprenia
There's at least a few people in here right now

Stop responding to Trev. This is the same faggot that made the general fight over discord linking for 90 posts straight.

>>2432642
Which is trev?

my dad beats me

>>2432645
The shitposter flinging shit in here now.

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do reptiles like venetian plaster

Thinking about getting a Crestie (Crested Gecko)

I've done the necessary amount of research. I know they jump.

Anyone here have a Crestie? Is there a way to get not to jump? If not, how quickly did you get over the fact that they jump?

>>2432637
Oh wow, you're very funny and sophisticated, you must be an alpha in real life and totally not autistic yourself.
>>2432649
Okay good to know, I'll stop now

>>2432653
>Is there a way to get not to jump?
Capital N O
If it doesn't jump it's lethargic. Some are more chill than other's but they all jump a lot

>>2432624
Leopard geckos mainly hide under rocks and in small caves and crags in the wild. Not to say they don't burrow at all, but they won't be at any loss if they don't have substrate to dig in.

Besides, those stupid fuckers will almost always find a way to swallow more substrate than they can handle for whatever reason.

And referring to heating, leos ate crepuscular, so the majority of the heat they're absorbing after leaving their daytime hiding spot is going to be from parts of the ground that are still warm from the sun just being up.

>>2432653
>If not, how quickly did you get over the fact that they jump?
Also.... Umm, what? Why would you ''get over the fact that they jump''? Lol. Get a Leo if you don't want an active jumping lizard

>>2432661
Thanks for the info. A jumping Crestie is a healthy Crestie. Got it.

>>2432665
That's not what I meant. A jumpy lizard will surprise anyone initially. im a Leopard Gecko / Ball Python type guy. I'm not used to jumpy things.

I mean how long until the surprise factor goes down, and it no longer scares the shit outta you.

>>2432656
Are you Trev?

>>2432667
It shouldn't scare you. If anything that's why they are cool. They are very colourful, and super fast, jumpy and active.
I like chameleons for their colour, but they seem slow and boring for the most part, except for how cool they look when eating, which is why I've never had one
I used to have cresties as a kid, that I gave away because I was busy, they were really cool and I'd like to get more
I'd choose an active animal over a slow and boring one any day
Just hold them low to the ground, I'm not sure how if they can land on a hard surface from up high
Their bite literally doesn't hurt at all, so they aren't scary

>>2432668
No, I'm not the one flinging shit, that person is
Unless you are suggesting that same fagging, then also no

>>2432672
Thanks for the reassurance. It's just that since I'm used to slow ass animals that more active ones would be scary at first, ya know?

I'm definitely getting one. Something so lively would definitely liven up my own life as well.

>>2432664
Given this, is it safe to say that I don't need to maintain the 90 degree temp in the actual leopard gecko hide? Anyplace would do?

>>2432677
Personally the only reptiles I'm scared of are gators if they are in the water with me I get the fuck out of there but cresties are cute harmless

>>2432688
I've actually owned a gator. If raised in captivity they have a nice temperament.

>>2432693
In the south people swim in gator infested waters all the time, I once had to pretend not to be scared when I saw that girls were swimming in the water and I didn't want to look like a pussy
But a log touched my leg and I almost fainted
Apparently chances of being attacked aren't that high though
I've seen tame ones in captivity, they seem pretty fucking cool

>>2432699
Well, gators have long since realized that we taste like shit. They won't attack a human unless it attacks them.

>>2432587

Clay balls with a screen between the clay and the top level substrate. Works a charm.

>>2432680

Warm side hide should be the hottest part of the tank. If using a thermostat -and you SHOULD use a thermostat- you would place the temperature probe for it in the warm side hide for a ground level temperature of 90-93. Aim for ambiant of roughly 80 and no lower than 75 on the cool side.

>>2432725

Also, tip for buying clay balls/clay pellets; you want to go to a garden centre type store for those. They will be considerably cheaper there than at a pet store.

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>>2432653

If you want something similar to a crested gecko that does not jump (as much), look in to gargoyle geckos. They're still hoppy when young but chill out considerably as they age. Similar size to cresteds, same care, seem to prefer branches, bamboo, and cork rounds as primary decor. I recommend UVB lighting for them as they will bask under it if offered, contrary to crested gecko who will generally hide from any daytime lighting.

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>>2432680
You'd want one side to be your hot side. Use a thermostat in conjunction with your heat pad to maintain the warm side at around 90°-95°F. I'd say as a minimum, have at least 2 hiding spots per gecko. One of your hides should be the gecko's humid hide, which is preferably going to be on the cool end, so honestly you'd probably end up placing the other on the warm side.

Not to suck my own dick, but I think my leo's enclosure is a pretty good example. The hot side is on the far right, so she can bask and absorb heat, and the other end is cooled, with the large cave being her humid hide. Bathroom tile substrate with large river stones filling in the gaps. Retains heat well and makes cleanup easy.

I know it's hard to see, but the thermostat probe wire comes down from the back right corner, with the actual thermostat unit being nailed to the wall behind it. The white box thing on the right is a wireless hygrometer, it signals to a unit outside of the cage what the air temps and humidity are. I keep ambient temps around 75°-85°F and the humidity around 30%.

>>2432619
It's the preferred method because it's cheap and requires little upkeep. It's not necessarily the best way to heat them, just the easiest/cheapest, so just like with 99% of the husbandry advice on reptiles, that's why it's recommended.

RHPs are the superior heating element because they provide both belly heat and ambient heat. They were designed specifically to provide belly heat first and ambient heat second. They're more expensive than heat pads, and require keepers to have more than 6" of height, though, so good luck getting 90% of breeders (and keepers who listen to them) to use them.

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my lazard

>>2432873
Just about to build a cage for my girl, do you guys have any tips for where to get glass or any first timer tips for building the cage in general

>>2432874
Glass is sold at all the big box hardware stores. You can also use clear acrylic for same purpose. Recommend 1/4" thickness if using acrylic.

>>2432873
sleep tight lizzer

Is it possible to stunt the growth of a Burmese Python/Albino Burmese Python? I heard they just grow no matter what but i was wondering if you can stunt their growth. Any help is greatly appreciated. My mom won't let me have one if it gets too big. thank you

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>>2433337
>My mom won't let me have one if it gets too big
maybe grow up and move out then you fucking underage

>>2433337

NO

>>2433337
>Is it possible
yes shitty owners do it all the time on accident
but its terrible for the animal because you are usually skimping out on some area of care causing malnourishment or illness
>My mom won't let me have one if it gets too big
You have no business getting a pet if you arent on your own yet because many places have extreme aversions to reptiles, my friend couldnt even get house insurance until he shut the fuck up and didnt mention it after getting denied because of the snake 3 times and it was just an 8' boa

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Carved out the styro foam on my cage the other day only to find out I'm pretty fucking terrible at it. Tried to eye the spot I needed to carve for the wood to sit properly and was off by about 2 inches~ but thankfully the wood itself hides it pretty well. Plan on grouting later this week and then painting it either this weekend or early next week.

On a side note I let my carpet python explore around in it for about 15 minutes earlier and he really seems to enjoy the verticle space and the branch since his cramped grow out tub I have him in is only about 7~ inches tall. Little guy bit me for the first time after having him for a bit over a year now when I went to pull him off the branch.

>>2430281
What zoo did you go to?

Been working on a vivarium was hoping to house some fire bellied newts (or really any semi-aquatic newt/salamander) but haven't been able to find a pet store within 150 miles that have any. What the fuck?

>>2433558
http://www.reptilesmagazine.com/interim-ban-placed-on-importation-and-interstate-transport-of-201-salamander-species-trending/

There was a ban last year that prevents interstate trade of 201 salamander/newt species, so if your pet shops relied on breeders from another state, you're shit outta luck.

Try caudata.org to find private breeders.

>>2433486
>just an 8' boa
your friend got everything he deserved

>>2433584
she was a columbian red tail isnt that within the normal range for them?

>>2433586
if a sand boa gets loose in the neighborhood, it's not an issue with the neighbors
if a ball python gets loose in the neighborhood, it might be an issue with the neighbors
if any 8' snek gets loose in the neighborhood, it will be an issue with the neighbors

>>2433592
why does something you avoid matter? I've known this guy for 20 years and the snake only got out once(and was stuck in its room) because someone accidently broke one of the viewing panels and tried to hide it
Who cares about the neighbors anyway an 8' boa is less dangerous than practically any full grown dog

>>2433596
>who cares about the neighbors
the neighbors do, and when you're an adult, you'll understand why you have to care what the neighbors think
it doesn't matter if it's less dangerous, snakes are an animal that many people are frightened of, and an 8' boa will definitely scared the crap out of them
i don't know what's hard to grasp here.
if your friend bought such a large snake, he must have understood that he would have a harder time finding a place to live and would have to make compromises (if not, he was an idiot.) you cannot blame people for finding it hard to believe an 8 foot long noodle is less dangerous than a dog

>>2433598
He had the snake for 15 years at that point and the house for 10 with no issue until he had to redo his insurance because his old company started upping their prices
And the neighbors being scared has no importance and everyone on the street knew he had it since he would bring it into the front yard during sunny days
I dont know where you live but down where I do as long as it doesnt spill onto other peoples properties its no one elses damn business what you have or do on your own property even if its just a fence separating the two
And I very much fucking can blame people for being ignorant twats

>>2433601
you sound like a swell guy

>>2433598
An 8 foot snake isn't absurdly large.
An insurer would have a better case for refusing to insure people with pitbulls.

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>>2433337
how about you dont get one of the largest growing snakes on the fucking planet then?

>>2430399
This is not a blizzard. Blizzard hatchlings have no spots/bands/splotches at all from birth. Despite the name, Murphy's Patternless geckos do have these kind of patterns as hatchlings so that's what I'm guessing you got instead.

>>2433691
Well someone was giving away some babies for super cheap. I actually picked up a couple today. It's good to know that I can stunt their growth, whats the minimum I can feed them to keep them small without them dying? They won't fight will they? By the way I let them free roam my room, and I keep the door closed and the cat out of my room lol, but they are loving all the space of being uncaged

>>2433768
you had me going for a while there
nice try though

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>>2433768
Troll of the week. Bye

>>2433977
I think your leopard gecko is autistic

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>>2433978
Yeah maybe.

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Just switched my STP into a larger enclosure three days ago. She was a bit put off at first, but keeping the old substrate seemed to help. Here's hoping she fully acclimates before feeding day rolls around next week.

Heya, guys. I'm thinking about purchasing a snake, or a reptile of some kind. Problem is, I live in Scotland, so it's hard to get animals.
It'd be my first animal too, and I don't know how to care for them yet.
Any tips n shit, if I do decide to get a snake in the next few months?

>>2434171
Read up on care requirements from multiple sources for anything youre interested in to cross reference each other.
Get the enclosure set up and running for a week or so before getting the animal to make sure everything runs flawlessly.
Use a thermostat for any heatsource you choose to avoid cooking or burning the animal.
I'm not acquainted with scotlands working but in the US you can have animals shipped to you overnight from the other side of the country but I'm not sure how crossing country borders would fair.
Leave the animal be for the first week to settle in to its new surroundings it will be in a strange new environment and needs to figure out its not about to be eaten.

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>that sad feel when thread only gets any decent traffic when people are arguing or shitposting

>>2434434
I'm pretty sure the discord trash chased everyone off.

>>2434436
after being on 4chan for 9 years I finally applied the last time mod positions had opening for /an/ just to help clear up the garbage like that funny enough since Im loosely monitoring 4chan 15 hours a day anyway

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>>2434434
Eh, summer is kind of a slow time for /herp/. We get a bump in traffic going around late fall with steady postings through the winter, then taper off again in spring. Not sure why but it seems to be consistent the past few years I have been a regular here.

That snapping turtle could use a bask and dry out. Clear up some of the aquatic forest taking root on it shell.

Some day I will add a tortoise to my reptile menagerie family. I've got space but my apartment gets too cold in winter. It's no big deal for smaller closed tanks that I can insulate, but no go for something very large and open like a tortoise table and definitely not for the adult pen they need after a couple years growth.

>>2434462
Hey I just finished tweaking my red foot tortoises enclosure today nobody I'm friends with cares want to see?

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Here's my red foot's enclosure rate I guess
(its a 120 gallon shes still less than a year)

>>2434480
That's awesome. Live plants?

>>2434487
Yessir and all completely edible for my tortoise as well. I used to keep large south american cichlids in my tank before it decided to leak and now that I've swapped to a reptile I can finally put plants in it so I'm going a bit nuts.

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I just found a baby gold dust day gecko and put it in my chameleon's old set up. What do now?

>>2434490
Put it back outside. Do some research and then buy a captive bred day gecko if you want one.

>>2434491
Unless anon lives in madagascar wouldnt the gecko not be native?
Are they invasive anywhere

>>2434531
Yes, they have been introduced into some parts of the world.

>>2434531
They're invasive in Hawaii

>>2434480
They say that tortoises hate glass enclosures
But I guess if he seems not to be bothered by it then whatever

>>2434436
That's funny.

The generals linking to discord are far more active.

>>2434784
Not only that, they've been getting increase in traffic when you look at individual posters. Any general siding with the /an/ server that doesn't have a lot of autism is getting the benefit of interested /out/ anons filling in the threads.

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>>2434583
The logic behind that is that they're too dumb to recognize the glass and will rub themselves raw on it, that being said my red foot seems to not be that dumb at all so I think I'm good

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Does my uro have autism?

I worry for him

>>2434879
All reptiles have autism

>>2434784
>>2434788
I think most people would prefer the thread without those dipshits ruining it afain

>>2434574
If it's an invasive species then why not keep the one you found?

>>2434967
Its illegal to keep invasive species in most places

>>2434490
you basically have three choices here
keep it and never let it back outside because its invasive
kill it
or turn it over to fish and game so they can kill it

that being said care sheets for day geckos are plentiful if you google it

Any advice or links for someone trying to go bioactive with a beardie setup?
I've heard its more difficult with a desert type terrarium

>>2435426
Keep a few rocks with damp soil under them so the isopods and other microfauna can molt

>>2434810
Okay sounds good then. Great looking set up btw

>>2433566
>caudata.org
Thanks anon.

>>2435590
Caudata.org is a good resource. I'll add it to the op if i start the next thread.

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NEWT IS WATCHING

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Crestie food smells so good... will I die if I eat it?

>>2436433
Yes. As we all know, fruit paste is highly toxic to humans.

>>2436433
Yes, unless you are reptoid's sleeping agent.

my beardie REALLY want to eat this cockroach he can see climbing up the wall

>>2436500
>cockroach he can see climbing up the wall
You live in filth.

>>2436506
hardly
turkistan cockroaches are recently invasive and they get into the house every so often
its no biggie, theyre pretty cool

which reminds me, does anyone know how red runners do as feeders? I could catch some and start a breeding colony to feed to my dragon after theyve gone through a few generations

>>2436510
>it's perfectly normal for cockroaches to just be hanging out on my walls
Ok anon, whatever you say.

>>2436513
I didnt say it was normal i said its not a big deal
90% of them stay outside

>>2436517
>I only see 10% of my cockroach infestation, so it's no big deal.
Ok anon, whatever you say.

>>2436433
It's dried fruit, calcium, vitamin D, some other vitamins, protein powder made of whey or egg or sometimes insects. Very similar to protein shake mix.

>>2436510
I'm jealous, they're illegal in canada
They are pretty good feeders.
I'm wondering if parasites could pass on from the original wild caught ones into the future captive bred generations though
Maybe give the roaches an antibiotic to treat them for parasites, idk

>>2437256
Antibiotics don't treat parasites, low dose poisons do

>>2437256
Yeah it's annoying that the objectively superior alternative to crickets is illegal here. I guess they could maybe become a self sustaining invasive species if enough get settled in warm spots near building heating systems but for the most part they shouldn't be able to survive the winters.

Also legalize hoggies for Alberta. This is dumb. I wanna hoggers.

What's the best snek for beginners?

Cornsnake?
Boa constrictor?
Ball python?
Cat in a sock?

>>2437441
>Cat in a sock
Ferret?

>>2437442
Ferrets are vicious little guys, they would not make a good beginner snek

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How can anybody be afraid of snakes when they're so cute?

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>>2437354
hoggers is good choice

>>2437459
rude

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>>2437459
delet this

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My dart frog Pablo. He is a great frog.

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>>2437469
Do you only keep a single one?

How many AFTs can I keep in a 20gal? And are Leopard Geckos more aggressive than AFTs?

>>2437481
1

>>2437472
Yep as of now I do. Don't have much room for a bigger tank so he is alone in his 10 gallon vivarium. When I get more space I'm thinking of making large vivarium.

>>2437472
With more frogs of course.

>outside in the park with my beardie
>"hey dude cool iguana"

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>>2437523
>outside in the park with my beardie
retard

>>2437526
You're imagining someone walking around with their animal on a leash or something. I don't do that. I keep him on my shoulder and walk around without putting him down.

The climate isn't a big deal.

>>2437531
>attentionwhoring with herps in public
Just kys. I don't even want to imagine in what a shitty tank it has to live in for storage until it's time for the daily abuse... er... I mean """handling""".

>>2437533
ok lol you sound mad fag

>>2437441
cornsnake is about as foolproof as you can get for a beginner snake
they're hardy, they love to eat, they don't have high humidity requirements, theyre pretty docile
kingnsakes and bull/gopher snakes are similarly easy but may grow larger or be a little more testy

ball pythons are fine so long as you have the humidity worked out. but you have to be aware that they go one hunger strikes and not to freak out unless they start losing weight. also they dont do a whole lot during the day since theyre nocturnal

boas are actually pretty easy, so long as you're prepared for their eventual size and the size of the enclosure theyll need

also consider: sand boas, rosy boas, and childrens/stimsons pythons

>>2437535
not that anon but thats a pretty normal stereotype that Ive run across fairly often myself
>brings reptile out in public with them all the time
>soak up the attention from normalfags seeing something as "exotic" as a beardie or a milk snake
>generally take shit care of it, evident with them dragging it into public constantly instead of letting some of the most non social animals chill in their warm spots with no hassle

Not saying any of that applies to you because I havent seen your animal or any tell-tale signs of neglect but stereotypes are just pattern recognition but Ive seen everything from obvious malnourishment to MBD to layers upon layers of stuck shed, scale rot, IR etc.
This is 4chan though so you can expect people to expect the worst since almost everyone here is jaded as fuck myself included most of the time

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>>2437561
there was this nigger in Miami with two largeish redtail boas

they were beautiful and looked well taken care of, but he had one on his shoulder and one on a cart and would charge people money to hold/take pictures with them. I shrugged it off because yknow Miami

I came back 5 hours later and that nigger was STILL there whoring out his boas like put them back and leave them alone for christ sake they are animals not your meal ticket

>>2437564
exactly I think its fine for the most part to bring a reptile out every once in awhile for a short period but any competent keeper knows better than to haul them around for long excursions
I have been tempted to bring my iguana to repticon before for an hour or two before but Im concerned hed be flighty from all the outside stimulation when the most hes used to is watching cars and birds outside in the window or when I make him chase food when I hand feed him
I have seen some chill tegus and beardies there before but theres been alot that obviously did not want to be there

>>2437567
i didnt even make it outside with my beardie
some family came over and they wanted to see them so i said sure and brought him out
after about the third person touched him I saw his beard turning darker, so I put him back

baby steps

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A snake was trying to get into my garage the other day. It was too big. Anyone know what it is? Location is suburban Minnesota right next to the Mississippi river if that helps.

>>2437581
damn, looks like you've got a garage snake in your area anon. hide your things

>>2437583
Yea. I cant post the other pic i got but it made it halfway into my garage but it was too big. My son said "looks like we need a new garage!"

>>2437581
looks like a northern water snake

>>2437481
>are Leopard Geckos more aggressive than AFTs?

No. Aggression wise they're similar, which is to say neither species is aggressive (to humans). They're quite docile. If you're talking about having two in the same tank; first, 20g isn't big enough for that and second, there is a chance even a female/female pair will fight.

>>2437594

This and also to the anon who asked, they're harmless. You can safely pick it up and put it outside if you want. You might get bitten but it shouldn't hurt much and there is no venom.

>>2437523
Nothing wrong with that, beardies like going outside.

>>2437619
Good to know. Honestly I am not very fond of snakes at all. However I wish it no harm either. I just don't want it hanging out in my garage or yard.

Funny side note. My neighbor noticed (might be coincidence) alot of frogs lately but in the last few days he has seen none. Just told him today about the snake and we both are pussies when it comes to snakes. We figure the snake might have had quite a feast.

Anywho, thanks. I wont worry too much about it now.

>>2437641
Yea snakes are generally a side effect of correct prey species inhabiting the area.
Its why when people claim to have a snake problem they usually have a mouse/rat problem that the snakes are there for the free food or live near a lake/pond/stream/canal

>>>2437641
Makes sense to me. I'm about a 3 min walk away from the river. I grew up here and fished on the Mississippi all the time and just never seen one as big as this ever, especially by houses. I'm just hoping it's gone so my dog don't kill it. That would be a bummer.

>>2437650
Posted to my own post on moble. But meant to post it to you.

>>2437594
It's most definitely not a water snake of any sort. If I had to guess, it's most likely a member of Pituophis. So, pine snakes, gopher snakes, that sort of thing. I'm not good at telling the difference between them, but it seems it pine snakes that are found in Mississippi.

>>2437726

Anon lives in Minnesota, just near mississippi river. Snakes native to that region that resemble the photo are eastern water snake, gopher snake (bullsnake), and fox snake. Upon closer inspection I think gopher snake or eastern fox snake are the most likely candidates. Need a closer look at the head to be sure.

Anyway, the two important things it definitely isn't are the timber rattler and massasauga (venomous).

>>2437758
Eastern water snake is a misnomer, most likely referring to northern water snakes (Nerodia sipedon sipedon).

Now that you mention the fox snake, that's the more likely ID, don't really need a better shot of the head as the pattern/coloration between those two are distinct enough. I always forget they exist for some reason, though.

>>2437885
Right, yes. That was a typo. Meant northern.

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>>2429562
how is https://www.northerngecko.ca/new/ ? they pretty legit for healthy specimens of gecko?

I am planning on a leachianus gecko here soon actually, buggers are big bodies of joy

>>2438314

Northern Gecko is Mark Orfus' outfit. He's the best breeder of New Caledonian species in Canada and arguably one of the best in North America. I have three geckos from him; one gargoyle and two cresties. He runs a tight ship and was a pleasure to work with in arranging delivery for my geckers. Unequivocal thumbs up recommend from me.

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>>2438363
that's really good to hear, i havent seen much in the way of negative through google searching reviews, but i do like you guys in the herp general so i thought i would ask.

i guess his quality would explain why the baby leachies are 800 DOLLARS HOLY. then the grand terre baby leachies are 2k.

>>2438378

Yep. Leachies are pricey pricey. Even if you go to an expo and buy one in person it's usually still like $350+

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Here a wild lizard from Croatia. I think it has meme potential.

Pic is cropped from original.

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>>2438710

Are sea turtles the anti-amphibian
>live most of their lives in the sea
>need to come to land to lay eggs

>>2438724
well meme'd

My house had a fire and it was filled with smoke from burning plastic. It only lasted a few minutes before it was brought to my attention and I noticed it was smoke upstairs but the reptile room downstairs and the whole house became was smokey as hell and I opened the windows in the reptile room and it aired out fast thanks to large windows. I have all my cages on the floor so I'm hoping that since smoke rises they would hardly be affected
It's too early to tell if they are lethargic since all my reptiles are nocturnal. They seem okay from what I can tell
I know some people smoke around their reptiles which is of course terrible but they claim it doesn't kill their pets, so that gives me hope

>>2438864
*noticed there was smoke from my room upstairs
The reptile room was smokey for less than 5 minutes thankfully

>>2438866
It was a fire from a faulty electrical outlet which melted some wires which burnt a plastic garbage bag and some chords and some other shit to

>>2438870
I mean it's probably not as bad as it sounds, they wouldn't have had oxygen loss or anything like that, but I'm worried about the chemicals
They probably aren't that delicate though, probably didn't breathe much or any in from inside their enclosures
But fuck, it's stressful thinking about it.

>>2438875
Sounds like they'll be fine

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Would you guys recommend leachies to a beginner? What things should I look out for?
I know people generally recommend getting a crestie or a garg instead, but I don't know if I'm as interested in them as I am in leachies

>>2438961
they're easy to care for but sometimes super aggressive

hello friends,

so my uromastyx is setup in my lab at school for the week, because my lease ran out and I have nowhere to keep him at the place I'm currently staying which has cats.

Tomorrow, my lab mate is going to be doing some slide mounting, which gives off the smell of phenols due to some of the chemicals you use. His tank isn't that close to the work station, it's like 10 feet away. Should I be worried about him inhaling/being exposed to phenolic compounds in the air? Would it even affect a uromastyx? Any input is appreciated

>>2438976
Should be okay if the room is well ventilated?

>>2434480
Damn, someday I hope I can make a great enclosure like that for my russian tort.
I have a piece of driftwood and rocks and things but I would love to be able to grow some plants as well. I've tried succulents but he eats them too quickly. Any suggestions?

>>2438961
iirc their care is about the same as a crestie you just need a much larger enclosure and more food
also they can be nasty in their old age, and theyre big enough for bites to cause some damage

>>2439041
Jade plant aloe Vera anything that fits his enclosure climate my dude. You're gonna want to look for bigger plants and something that's both petsafe and tough. Larger leaves and or quick growing is the name of the game. There are many lists online of plants safe for them to eat and a lot of getting these to grow was trial and error, anything that died got tossed and anything that survived I bought more of hence why I've added like 5 bromeliads since this picture was taken.

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>>2429620
It looks like a goddamn lumpsucker.

>>2438961
Holy crap this looks like a sock puppet, post more.

Anyone know of any reptile breeders in Western OK?

>>2439356
Cool, I'll look into some larger plants. Thanks man

So I have 2 snakes and I'm wanting to move out of my parent's house asap into an apartment. Pretty much 99% of the apartments here have a no-reptile policy, but I think it's just a meme copypasta set of rules that every landlord uses. What are the usual consequences if they were to be found, and is it even legal for a landlord to go digging for shit like that?

>>2439678
after going through my city laws, owning a "constrictor snake" is listed as unlawful

??

>>2439678
if you sign a contract that says they aren't allowed, and you are found to have them, the contract is terminated and you take whatever hit is associated with early termination. oftentimes this means losing your security deposit and paying an extra month's worth of rent.
either find an apartment that allows them, sell your reptiles, or continue to live at home with you parents. it's not worth the risk imo. you can always get new reptiles later, and any attachment you feel towards your current ones is entirely one-sided.

My leopard gecko had lesions on her mouth/teeth so I took her to the vet a few weeks ago. They sent us home with carnivore care and antibiotic shots which I administered every 3 days until recently. The original lesion healed but a new one formed on the side of her mouth I wasn't messing with during the treatment period. I don't have the money to take her back again right now aplis the vet said she may just be prone to infections and to give it a little time.

Does anybody have experience with this sort of thing? Should it clear up on its own or is my gecko going to have to get another whole round of antibiotics or something?

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>>2439435

yeah they're super floppy and wrinkled looking especially as adults. Reason they're so expensive is breeding them takes a considerable amount of time and effort. Finding pairs that are willing to breed instead of fight takes time, gestation is lengthy, they lay two eggs per clutch and may only produce two clutches per year. Sometimes breeding pairs stop breeding after a couple years. and so on. That's why prices for them can be so high.

>>2439680
>after going through my city laws, owning a "constrictor snake" is listed as unlawful

That probably only refers to boas, BCC and BCI, and the very large species reticulated python and burmese python. It would not refer to all snake species that constrict as a hunting style.

As for lease agreements, talk to the landlord of any prospective unit and see what exactly they mean by the policy. Often the issue is live feeders like crickets and cockroaches getting loose, which would not be involved with snakes.

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>>2429562
Hello, i'm seeking urgent help for my white's tree frog

He's been in sugared lukewarm water for 2 hours now but still looks the same.

Vet is not gonna be available till thursday morning

What can I do? I'm very worried.

>>2439956

I don't know that there's much you can do until vet can look at it.

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Whats wrong with his eyes guys? Just picked him up feeling bad for him
He only opens them out of water

>>2440016

Some kind of infection? Your tank looks dirty. Maybe go to vet.

>>2440064
Got him like that
Tank is clean as a whistle
The dirt is calcium I couldnt get off the glass
He was pretty energetic when I got gim home, now he's pretty lethargic

>>2440016
>>2440071
>pick up a sick turtle because you felt bad for it
>guys why is it sick?
cmon dude really?

if you bought it from a petco (and probably petsmart) you have 30 days from purchase to bring it back and have them take it to the vet for treatment for you

>>2440088
Got him from a local breeder I was referred to, he's a hatchling
Got in contact with the breeder to ask about he eyes and found out he didnt dechlorinate the water and all his hatchlings are like this

>>2440088
How much would a vet trip for some antibiotics cost? Or can I treat him myself

>>2440094
if thats the case it might just be irritation
>>2440097
no clue, but medical fees are always inflated. expect at least a hundred bucks for a check up and the medication. the check up probably wouldnt be too bad, its the medication that gets you

>>2440097
I'm >>2439715 and when I took my leopard gecko for the exam at a vet that is certified to see herps it cost me $117 for 5 antibiotic shots, a thing of carnivore care, and the exam. So I'd definitely expect at least that much. $60 for exam plus whatever meds you need is likely.

>>2440146
>>2440116
>>2440097
Update: Turt Reynolds is barely moving
Hadnt moved for about an hour aside from occasionally turning his head
As of typing this he decided to wake up a little to scratch his eyes

>>2438875
Everyone's acting normally thankfully

Is it just a meme that big snakes like small cages because they feel secure?
Even housing a six foot snake in a 4 foot long cage seems depressing to me because it can't even stretch out, but a lot of people say it's okay

>>2440190

The minimal for snakes is usually length + depth of tank = snake total length. I wouldn't keep a snake in anything that small unless it was a hatchling.

As for snake feeling secure, that is entirely a product of lack of decor in the tank so snake feels exposed. Breeders will say their snakes eat more consistently in smaller enclosures, but breeders, being breeders, don't stuff their tanks with hides and plants either.

In my opinion, the best for the snake is a large tank with lots of leaves and hides and nooks and crannies to explore and move around under cover. Yes, that makes for a harder to clean tank and yes it's more bother. I think if I am keeping an animal under captive conditions I owe it to that animal to give them the best living situation I am able.

>>2440162

I dunno, anon. I'd be tempted to return this turtle to the breeder and go get a healthy one from someone else. What the hell kind of breeder doesn't dechlorinate their tank water?

>>2439956
You can push it back in.

>>2440207
Ah, that's what I figured this is why I don't see myself getting big snakes any time soon. Sand boas and hog noses would be cool though
There's a six foot carpet python on craigslist with a 120 gallon tank 4'x2'x2' tank, but since it will need a bigger cage, it isn't worth it for me

>>2440210
Apparently one that isnt actually the owner of the turtles, just their caregiver so the owner can sell them off to flea markets and shit
Kindof pissed off but he was the only guy selling hatchlings in the metroplex. And I feel bad abandoning a baby to die or some shit with him
He already agreed to pay me back or replace the turtle if he didnt pull through but it tears me up not being able to help the little guy, since I cant really afford antibiotics
In theory shouldnt these guys be able to shake an infection given enough time?

>>2439956
Happened to one of my WTFs for years, it's a prolapsed colon. The vet gave me baytril I believe from memory, and I used a syringe to squirt it in it's mouth. but use what your vet recommends. My mom would push it back in with a q-tip very carefully every time it happened
I had the frog for about 7 years before I had to find a home for it but it lived a normal life

>>2440219
>In theory shouldnt these guys be able to shake an infection given enough time?

Oh certainly. It's just a matter of how much medical care you are willing to provide. Cost of vet visit and meds and so forth.

>>2440221
Again, not really able to afford much there man
You mean to tell me these guys dont survive in the wild if they get sick at all?

>>2440231
sometimes? its probably about the same chance of survival inside or outside
a sick baby is much less likely to survive

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>>2440207
That's good advice. I'm looking into build-vs-buying a snake enclosure. To be honest I don't have a lot of expertise, and my tools consist of screwdrivers, a hammer, and a cordless drill if I can find the charger for it. I want to be sure I have everything the snake needs before I go buy a snake which means a lot of reading, and trying to figure out what to even think about building with, and how. Then worrying about regulating the temp. I've got a long row to hoe, I know.

so how hard are emerald tree boas?

>>2440253
Depends on how you look at it.
Its a high humidity arboreal snake that tends to have a bit of an attitude but if you are accustomed to handling humidity and temps in a fairly large enclosure then the hardest part is probably going to be cleaning without getting snapped
They got pretty big teeth to

Does anyone know roughly what a bearded dragon and all the supplies would cost initially?

>>2440243

DIY snake terrariums are not particularly difficult. Easiest material to use is melamine. Melamine is a particle board with a sort of plastic coating on the top and bottom. Figure out what size tank you want and what dimensions you need your pieces to be, go to home depot or equivalent hardware store and ask them to cut your pieces for you. They do this free of charge. You'll be purchasing a full sheet (4' x 8') from which the cuts will be made. Screw together your pieces. Seal all interior joints with 100% silicone. Use clear acrylic or glass for front window/door. Door can either be sliding or open on a hinge. Glass is considerably less expensive than acrylic but somewhat harder to work with.

>>2440279

Around $250 or so. Tank is the biggest expense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLswvHYTwa8
This guy houses his leachies in retardedly small ass cages, it's not just me thinking that, right?
Example: 23 minutes in

>>2440291

You're correct. Those are way too small. That also goes for the larger cages he shows a couple minutes later. Leachie cage should be 18" x 18" x 36" for one adult or a breeding pair.

>>2440304
I wasn't sure, but I imagine they are like bigger cresties. He could easily get storage bins that size for like a few more dollars
What a lame ass

>>2434434
Dat snappy tho
Kinda want one, but dont wanna deal with have a 30 pound cat eater in my backyard in a couple years

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Here's my leo, she'll be turning 4 in a few weeks.

>>2440707

Cute photo but that substrate is not optimal. You should switch to tile.

>>2440190
Breeders say that to save costs, and newbies that listen to them assume they know what they're talking about, so it gets spread around. Shedding, eating, and breeding isn't necessarily indicative of a healthy snake. They will still breed even if conditions are suboptimal or they're ill.

Small cages + the overfeeding that's so common in captivity leads to unhealthy fat snakes. Fat snakes die, and very painfully. Overweight snakes are prone to fatty liver disease, which is when fat travels to the liver and basically turns it to jelly. This can cause them to refuse food (it can also happen if they go off of food for whatever reason), and then they perish quite quickly. Gravid females are most at risk because of the strain being gravid puts on their bodies and the time off of food.

I've also heard of problems passing eggs or offspring in individuals with too low of muscle mass, which happens when keeping snakes in too small of enclosures without proper bedding. Particulate bedding will encourage muscle mass, while flat beddings like newspaper/corrugated paper/etc. can cause muscle mass loss since they'll sit in one place spreading out their ribs for grip.

Best practice is to offer plenty of room and feed conservatively. Fatty liver disease is a lifestyle disease, and it's one of the most common diseases in reptiles.

Traveling across state lines moving to colorado. What's the best way to transport my ball python. I have an 8 hour drive to IL and then a 14 hour drive to CO. What's your advice to make sure that she doesn't get too stressed out during the trip. I was planning on getting a styrofoam cooler and line it with newspaper and towels to try and create a buffer for the vibrations. Also going to put a heat pack in there so she doesn't freeze.

>>2440880
if youve got someone who can just mail her to you after you've moved in would probably be the easiest

but yeah all you can do is keep it warm dark and snug

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>>2440777
I've been thinking switching for a while actually, mainly from last shed where she had some issues. Would you recommend tile over pic related mats, and if so, why?

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Am I easily impressed or is this the coolest shit ever

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Does this look like scalerot?
She had flipped over her waterbowl and sat in the wet spot for 2 1/2 days while I was out of town recently.

>>2440979

Wow, what species is that? looks like some kind of viperidae. I dont think ive ever seen a hot keeper on here

>>2440980
a western hognose, nothing as fancy as that
There is one rad anon who I know lurks alot who has some hots and an especially rad arabian horned viper

>>2440928
It's amazing.

>>2440914

Those mats are good. The advantage tile has over them is ease of cleaning and a bit of heat retention.

>>2440979

I don't think so. Just one localized spot like that, kinda looks like an abrasion or cut or something in the process of healing. Usually with scale rot you will see the end of other belly scales starting to develop it as well. I suppose if snake had one wet piece of substrate stuck on that specific spot for a couple days you could get a spot of scale rot like that. Not sure.

Doesn't look serious whatever it is. Should heal on its own.

>>2441046
My pet store didn't have them, and I don't feel like ordering something online. Gonna go buy some tile today. Thanks for reminding me.

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>>2437469
How noisy is yours? 1 of these assholes likes to call when I cut off their light all night long. Doesn't really bother me since I work third shift and the call is pleasant enough.

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>>2440777
Here's what it turned out as. Don't worry about the temperature, that was just while the tile got heated.
Liz seems skeptical but has been exploring for half an hour now. I kinda like the look but it's even more apparent now that I need another hide or something.

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>>2441500

so new thread soon?

>>2441469


Cute foxes. That's a nice big tank. Extra hide would certainly be welcome.

>>2441589

yessir. Working on that right now...

NEW THREAD FROGGY TIME

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