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Previous Thread >>2262109

Turkey Fish Edition, Mk. IV

Discuss anything aquarium related here, including inhabitants, decor and issues.

Google is your friend.
Feel free to ask questions but know that there are a lot of resources out there that could answer your question a lot faster and accurately than /an/.

Make sure to include these things in your post before asking because we can't help you if we don't have the full picture:
-tank size
-parameters
-any and all inhabitants + how long you've had them

Links:
>How to cycle your tank: http://www.algone.com/fishless-aquarium-cycling
>General aquarium care sheets - http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/
>Livestock and plants for sale - http://www.petsolutions.com/ http://www.aquabid.com
>Useful & Extensive database for aquatic plants and their parameters - http://www.flowgrow.de/db/aquaticplants
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>>2264641
WHY DO YOU DO THIS WHEN THE OLD THREAD IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO LIMIT.

WHY.
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>>2264733
not the creator but only huge autists get mad about this, the other one is 20 posts away from being done and this thread will be here when it is.

cool your jets sperglord
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>>2264741
lol this
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>>2264741
>>2264756
>lol totally not OP
>>2262109 Here's the other thread. Just let this one go till other hits bump limit.
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>>2264769
>cant read the replies/poster count
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>>2264797
>bump lol
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>>2264797
>is a faggot
>bumps threads off into archive for no reason on an incredibly slow moving board

Kill
Your
Self
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>>2264800
>>2264801
autismos are so butt blasted lmao
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this thread is RUINED BEFORE IT WAS EVEN SUPPOSED TO BEGIN

I just wanted a nice thread ;_; why couldn't you guys just ignore it? use it later? know there was a beautiful shiny new /aq/ waiting for you?
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>>2264802
this gif is you
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This is why we can't have nice things
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Really with the old thread was back, nice times.
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>>2264865
Holy hell I hate typing on mobile
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Smaller angelfish is an absolute asshole to the larger one. The larger one is now scared to the point that she's been hiding all day. I thought she was injured, but she seemed fine and I managed to coax her out by feeding her and chasing the asshole fish away with my hand. Now that she's eaten, she's back to her hiding spot.

The only tank I could conceivably move the asshole into is one with another asshole angelfish. I don't want to get rid of him if it can be avoided, but I do have a LFS that will probably take him as a last resort.

Any ideas of what I can do to calm this dickbag down so he stops picking on my girl so hard? Maybe isolate him for a few hours and rearrange the tank?
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>>2264878
Didn't read thread before posting, my bad. Didn't realize we were doing this shit again.
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I fucking hate usps, if my plants were supposed to arrive today THEN WHERE WERE THEY??????????????
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Any of y'all got any tips on securely attaching Christmas moss to rock?
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I sunk a cut open crescent shaped piece of cucumber for my albino pleco catfish and ghost shrimp to enjoy (the tetras seem to like nibbling at pieces that go floating as well)

This is the first time I've done this

The water when I woke up this morning is murky

I have a filter running in the tank and did a partial water change without removing the cucumber because they're still enjoying it

Will this cucumber water be of any harm? I can do another partial water change tomorrow if needed after removing the piece of cucumber
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>>2264972
>>2264976
Weird. The other thread still hasn't hit bump limit.
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>>2264979

I think this is the new thread

Someone over there keeps spamming bumps
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>>2264980
Goes in all fields
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>>2264641
Who has the /comfiest/ tank here?

There's nothing like watching plants grow underwater
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>>2264986
>>2264987
>>2264988
>>2264989
>>2264990
You sound a little butthurt
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>>2264930
I hate when that happens, I'm always afraid they're going to expire or get too shaken up on the ride

>>2264976
I would remove the cucumber and let the filter run for a day, if things didn't clear up I would do small partial water changes daily
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>>2264992
It helps me fall asleep while listening to 90's music

>>2265022
That person just needs to let that thread go
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>>2265037

Yeah but will the cucumber water hurt them or is it more of a natural healthy pollution?

Cucumber water sound delicious honestly
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>>2264878
How big is your tank? I've had issues like that with overcrowding
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>>2264983
Just give it a rest m8 grow up
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>>2265076
40 gallons, tall.
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Any guesses? Was thinking micro sword but plant seems a little stiffer than a sword plant.
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Okay so I need to replace my because it's fucking garbage. I'm looking to get a fluval power filter, do I just put my old sponge in? Basically how do I not fuck shit up?
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How long will it take for my 29 gallon tank to cycle completely with the use of dechlorinator? 6 weeks seems like a long time to be changing the water in a small tub everyday until the tank is ready.
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>>2265227
Fish in cycles are fine. Fishless cycle is a meme
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>>2265229
Agreed, only half of my fish died in my fish-in cycle
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>>2265229
>>2265232
So correlation≠causation?
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So did OP make this thread out of desperation because he was so sick of inverts-that-aren't-shrimp?
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>>2265223
Do you mean a Fluval HOB filter? You can stick the sponge behind the filter intake if you don't want to put it in the filter box.

>>2265227
Do you have fish in the tank already?
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>>2265232
>>2265250
If your fish die during a fish in cycle you're either new, don't care enough to do water changes, or keeping sensitive fish. Even when I first started and didn't know shit about fish all 10 of neon tetra lived. Bought tank, filter, decorations, and fish all at once.
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>>2265267
No, it's for my axolotl. He's been in a tub of water that gets daily changes because his old tank was unlivable.
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>>2265267
No, I guess I mean the AquaClear filter. I think I can just put my sponge in that one, I'm just wondering if I need to do anything else.
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>>2265273
You can try Tetra SafeStart or API QyuckStart. They have fairly good reputations for speeding the process along. You can also put some of the water from changing the tub into the tank to feed the bacteria.
I wouldn't suggest putting him in the tank until it's cycled, though. I went through the same thing with mine and her gills would start curling anytime the nitrites started getting high, which happened pretty quickly.

>>2265284
Same thing. If you're just changing the filter that's sufficient.
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>>2265291
thanks friend
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Im looking for some inspiration. My tank needs something that isnt too skittish. Something that is active. Only problem is it needs to be large enough not to get fucked by my dwarf snakeheads but still relatively small. I have angelfish and bosemani in a seperate tank and dont feel like they would fit in this one. A fish around 10cm is preferred but im out of ideas.
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>>2265313
I would murder an entire family for a snakehead. Closest we can get here are bowfin but they get huge.
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>>2265272
>1 gallon is fine for a betta, mine lived 3 years in a vase
>feeding live is fine for snakes, my BP's been on it for years and it's never gone wrong
>sand is great for beard dragons, I've always used it and my beardie is healthy
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>>2265313
Rainbowfish, maybe? They're boisterous, but not very skittish. Same with larger botiid loaches, eg clowns. Depends on how big your tank is.
I don't have any experience with snakeheads, so I can't be completely confident making suggestions, but hopefully that at least gives you somewhere to start.
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>Got a small 10 gallon tank for free
>Want to get a predator fish
I'm pretty much limited to a dwarf pufferfish, I think.
I wanted a Piranha for it, but the size is a problem. Would a 5-6inch Piranha be alright for it for a few months whilst I save for a bigger tank?
I do like the look of blood parrot fish despite not being a predator but those fuckers get big pretty quickly.
Any suggestions?
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>>2265365
wait until you get a bigger tank?
I know it hurts anon, but stay strong
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>>2265048
cucumbers don't normally cloud your water.

what you have sounds like a bacterial bloom.
The bacteria themselves aren't generally harmful, but they do consume all the oxygen in the tank and can suffocate your fish.

The cheap treatment is cleaning your fucking tank (including the rotting cucumber) and doing water changes.

the more permanent solution is cleaning your fucking tank (including the rotting cucumber) and installing a UV sterilizer at a flow rate capable of killing bacteria in a single pass.
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>>2265345
0/10 shit tier attempt at a strawman. I think I hit a nerve.
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>>2265381
it's not a strawman, he's saying your personal experience is anecdote and carries no weight.

I'd add that doing water changes during a cycle prolongs the bitch up to a year.

I don't really care what you do with your fish though. IMO the fishless cycle pretends fish can suffer and feel pain, which is just silly.

but if it keeps the ignorami happy, I say let them do what they want.
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Alright /an/ who wants to plant plants with 20 gallon long anon! I got my plants in today and am now washing them and separating, will posts pics soon with what I have
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>>2265345
I'm looking for any of these arguments in this thread and I'm not seeing them. Can you point me to them?
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>>2265382
fish in method is very easy. Even a caveman could do it. Small water changes every few days with a water conditioner.
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>>2265389
>Small water changes every few days with a water conditioner.
yes, as I said that slows the cycle by months, maybe over a year.

the idea of the cycle is to feed ammonia to bacteria.

water changes and conditioners remove ammonia so the bacteria don't get enough.

I realize you're probably incapable of learning, but whatever.
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>>2265390
Fucking lol. That's why my tanks completed cycling in 5 weeks.
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>>2265391
it's possible if you severely overstocked.

I wouldn't be handing out advice if I were you though. You clearly don't even understand the basics of cycling.
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>>2265392
>5 bosemani rainbows
>75 gallon
>overstocked
Kek. I'll give out advice. Good advice. There's a reason I'm still in the hobby after 25 years buddy.
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>>2265382
>>2265345
>>2265390
>>2265392
You don't seem as knowledgeable as you're making yourself out to be either. A Google search puts you both to shame.
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>>2265384
OK here we go as listed left from right

Anacharis, money wort or creeping charlie? Not sure, hornwort that looks fucked, I'm not sure how to plant this as the root area looks decomposed, amazon sword, and what looks to be more moneywort? I was supposed to get a cryptocoryne, so that's a bummer. Finally some minima floating plant, wh r re should I put this stuff?
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>>2265394
so explain to me the mechanics of how water changes and water conditioner slows down the cycle.

let's hear your brilliance.

for the record, 5 bosemanis in a 75g, your tank never cycled. You probably read 0 ammonia and nitrite at 5 months because they never produced enough to measure.
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>>2265398
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>>2265398
You're don't plant hornwort. It floats or keep the weight on. Planting hornwort kills it just like how it's dead in the image. Hornwort in the wild does root itself
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>>2265400
It completed cycle in 5 weeks
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>>2265402
>>2265403
Would it be ok to put a rock on it to hold some down?

Here is tank for reference
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>>2265404
it did not.

you don't know what a cycle is.
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>>2265406
naw, hornwort is picky. I would let it free float.

I hate hornwort.
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I just started a tank and its been sitting there for a while. It has plants but no filter. I was thinking of putting a betta in it, but what fish should I put in it just to make sure it's ready?
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>>2265406
Ok I put them all in, I decided to let the hornwort and minima both float and let whoever wins win, waiting for tank to clear up.
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>>2265313
Giant Danios?
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>>2265410
The cycle took 5 weeks to complete.
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>>2265436
You can keep the weights on and let it grow that way. Just don't put any part of it in your substrate. Mines been lucky enough to root itself in my sand.
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>>2265394
>There's a reason I'm still in the hobby after 25 years buddy.
You can do something shittily for your entire life. It doesn't make you any good at it. No matter how desperately you try to shill your anecdotal evidence, it's still a logical fallacy and your word will always be worthless.
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>>2265427
How long is "a while" and how big is the tank?
If you want to "make sure it's ready" just put some kind of ammonia in it (eg fish food), wait a day, then take some water from it to the pet store to have it tested for ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate. Levels should be 0, 0, >0 respectively.
Don't buy fish you don't want just to test your tank out.
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I'm stocking up my 29G.

I think I want dwarf gouramis or something similar (colorful/small) that won't eat my neon tetras.

What do you guys recommend?
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>>2265448
Ignore the meme. Get the fis you want.
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>>2265444
Well the fact is I haven't done this hobby shitty. There's a reason for great success with all my tanks. I think you're just mad because I keep disproving you.
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>>2265391
>claiming to be experienced with the hobby
>taking 5 weeks to cycle a tank

Pretty much everyone knowledgeable with a bunch of tanks cycles tanks almost immediately.
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>>2265475
Yes. But it was my first tank. Any real fishy hobbyist keeps cycled filter media on hand. A tank can take anywhere between 4-8 weeks to cycle. Average being 6-8 weeks for a completely new tank. This is fact.
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>>2265478
>I finally got my parents 500 gallon tank. Gonna be a planted beast.
>doesn't post a pic
thanks, anon. glad to hear it.
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>>2265479
It's not close to set up yet. I have to get it in my house then order substrate, lights, and plants.
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>>2265478
So how'd you kill them?
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>>2265483
Cracked the heater
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>>2265444
Too many fallacies and false anecdotal saying of the Kipmars of BiTopia.
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So I'm wanting to do a paintball co2 setup but I'm lost as to how to get the co2 refilled. I can't find anywhere around here that will refill co2.
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>>2265499
thats fucked, you had no right to kill those fish.

I hope you feel bad.
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>>2265513
where do you live? My local academy does it for like 3 dollars
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>>2265513
You should have gone on craiglist

I got a 5lb tank for 30 bucks. Airgas will refill it for 33 bucks
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>>2265478
I hope your tank's seams blow out
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>>2265591
It's all one piece acrylic
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Every morning I wake up to find 3-4 crypts uprooted. They can't get a break so they can get rooted since I replanted them 3 weeks ago. I am want to strangle someone. Then see one of my ghost shrimp eating a small guppy that would swim along the bottom.
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>>2265478
>>2265483
>>2265499
You killed your parents' pets to get their stuff?
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>>2265474
>disproving
You seriously need to enroll yourself in a highschool debate course if you're going to keep using words like that, grandpa.
You've already completely nuked your reputation at this point, so it's not like there's much point in continuing.
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>>2265651
What rep? Lol I don't have any reputation on here. For all you know I could have given you advice on here that you've taken. Though I have a really good reputation in my state :)
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>>2265651
Oooo a pseudo intellectual.
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>>2265651
Are you the same autist who even true to argue against facts in almost all threads or when someone says something like "dwarf oto" you get upset by it because you never heard it used before? Fuck it I know you are don't even know why I asked
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>>2265658
Tries to* fuck now you're going to yell at me and hurt my feefees
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>>2265658
Certainly sounds like it
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The Monte Carlo that managed to stay rooted are making a come back! Yay.
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>>2265664
Nice.
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>>2265664
Garbage dwarf baby tears never stay rooted though.
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>>2265658
okay, that time I was annoyed because I was asking if anyone knew which species it was. I didn't care about the common name.

>>2265651
how can you have a reputation if we're all the anonymous hacker 4chan?

>>2265664
nice!!
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Hey /aq/,

Did my first ever water test today. 30 gallon, organic soil mix, pea gravel. Plants: Staurogyne repens, Rotala rotundifolia, Vallisneria sp. (local from a creek, Florida). One long bubbler stone, no filter.

pH 7.6, ammonia 0.25 ppm, nitrites 5.0 ppm, nitrates 0.0 ppm.

I got the Vallisneria from a friend's tank, along with a bit of water. We're expecting that I got some of the nitrifying bacteria as well. So, is it normal for me to have low ammonia, high nitrites and low nitrates? Does this just mean it's still cycling?

I don't want a filter. This will eventually be a big grass shrimp tank (once the cycling is done and plants are more established)
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hello /aq/ im new to aquariums but i would lake to have something moderate sized, (5-10 gal) and low maintenance
i live in a florida and would like to have something to go along with the natural flora

any recommendations?
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>>2265653
In regards to your views on cycling, and anyone who remembers this is going to know who you are when you inevitably start uncontrollably regurgitating your text diarrhea in future threads.

>>2265654
I guess anyone who understands how an argument is supposed to work is a "pseudo intellectual" to a fine young GED holder like yourself, huh?

>>2265658
No, I'm Anon. The only autist here is the one whose compulsive kneejerk reaction to any discussion of fishless cycling is immediate indignation.
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>>2265828
5 gallon nano shrimp tank
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>>2265879
>nano shrimp
>low maintenance
I can't keep those motherfuckers alive for the life of me. The pH and ammonia all seem good. What magic are you using?
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What do you guys think about my rock placement?

Ignore the drop checker.
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>>2265888
It's kind of plain. I don't like how it's symmetrical. Are you going to add anything else to it? I would maybe put the two rocks together and then have plants on the opposite side.
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>>2265889
I'm going to add hair grass.

I wanted to try and do something like this
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>>2265365
>10 gallon
>predator fish
pick one
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>>2265885
I just keep em till they die, then I eat em

>>2265888
pretty rocky imo, very boring Brainstorm.
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>>2265859
Your arguments are nothing but pseudo intellectual. Someone as smart as you should be able to come up with insults that a grade schooler can think of. Right? You can dish out autism but can't take it. Speaks highly of your character.
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>>2265939
>generic ad hominem
Great job, keep it up.
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>>2265953
>>2265939
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>>2265954
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>>2265956
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>>2265958
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>>2265953
>generic insult and come backs
Keep it up.
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Might as well post my tank since the autists are going at it.
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>>2265976
Noice, I want sand
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>>2265976
Whoops, forgot to remove that fan before snapping the pic. Oh well.
That reminds me, what's a good solution for overheating aquariums? Like little clip on fans? What are some good little fans?
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>>2265978
Yeah the pool filter sand was really good. I wish I could found some darker stuff, but it washed really well and it settles pretty fast. Keeps most of my plants rooted except for the damn dwarf baby tears.
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>>2265978
Also had the problem of not finding anything less than 50lbs of the stuff so now I have a ton of sand just lying around. Pretty good for $12.
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>>2265979
Like as in you Want to overheat it or take the temp down
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>>2265982
Lol no, I want to reduce temps. It'll hover at 81° unless I keep that fan blowing on it, then it'll be 76°-78°. I want something that doesn't look so out of place. Maybe some little clip on fans? I don't know, looking for suggestions.
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>>2265983
just freeze a water bottle and drop it in the tank closed, the ice will cool it. If you want fill it with tank water then freeze, and put in tank opened when frozen and it will eventually just equalize with the tank.
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>>2265986
That's p great, thanks!
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>>2265888
>>2265890
if you haven't already researched this aquascaping style, it's called Iwagumi. The main rules are that you choose one "mother" stone that is significantly larger than the rest, that you always use an odd number of stones, and that you arrange them using the golden ratio or "rule of thirds" (pic related) the idea is that you arrange the stones with the center of the arrangement roughly in the center of one of the sections or on one of the lines. Your stones are well spaced, but I would recommend finding a larger stone to put in the place of one of them, surrounding it with smaller stones, and creating a smaller arrangement in the place where you have the other stone. As for plants you can obviously see from your pic that you only use carpeting plants such as hairgrass (eleocharis acicularis or parvula) or Micranthemum monte carlo. Hope this helps!
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>>2265964
Will do. Thanks, hun.
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>>2265933
Shoo shoo Mr. Snek. I do not want to eat tiny shrimps.
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>>2265979
I've used this one with a USB extension cable. I bent a paperclip to hook it onto the tank trim. It works better than I would have expected (6-8F cooler on a 20 long), but I have to top off the tank a lot more often when I'm using it, due to evaporation.
If you search "clip fan" you can find some cheap ones at department stores. You can also try rigging up a desktop computer fan, but then you have to screw with power supplies.
Honestly, if your tank is staying at or below 82, there's no dire need to screw with the temp. The water bottle method works okay, but it causes a rapid(ish) drop in temp for about two hours (for a 2 liter bottle) followed by the temperature increasing again. It's also fuck ugly.
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>>2265828
>would like to have something to go along with the natural flora
What do you mean by this? Do you want native fish? There are several that might work, but I'm not exactly well-versed in endemic Florida fauna.
Lowest maintenance 5-10 gallon tank you can do is inverts-only (shrimp) or a betta. Certain killifish are nearly or just as low maintenance as bettas, but they're harder to find.
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>>2266000
Done being a triggered pseudo intellectual high school drop out? Lol
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>>2266063
>>2266058
>>2266000
you guys are like those couples who can't handle not having the last word ^^
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>>2266081
It's an autism thing. I love giving people hard times even if they're right.
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>>2265828
you could fit a trio of everglades pygmy sunfish in a 10 gallon
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>Nephew doesn't want his pet piranha anymore
>Offer to buy it from him, he just has to bring it and the 40gal tank over
>3 minute walk, from his home to mine
>He trips and smashes the fucking tank
>Piranha has to sit in a 10 gallon I had for my old betta for a month whilst I save for an actual tank for him
>Still have to pay for the fucker

How long until he dies, lads?
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>>2266096
>He trips and smashes the fucking tank

>how long until he dies
i'll give it 2 weeks
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>>2266096
>how long until he dies
depends on how often you're willing to do water changes.
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>>2266100
Not with the fish in it, obviously.

>>2266103
How many times in a month to a month and a half should I to give the poor cunt a fighting chance?
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>>2266093
I wouldn't exactly consider those low maintenance for a newbie.
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>>2266108
>Not with the fish in it, obviously.
Oh, you were talking about the fish? Well, just feed very sparingly and do partial water changes twice a week, should be okay.
You could try getting a tank on Black Friday next week.
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A few of my guppy endler hybrids stuck in the filter intake. One of my cherry barbs sitting at top. Betta that was getting better is now getting fin rot out of nowhere while an ich out break is happening. I'm dosing the best all natural cure along with 86 degree heat and good aeration. Did an emergency water change with twice the prime but my most sensitive fish aren't even upset or showing any signs of sickness. Goes to show even us "pros" (been doing fish for 10 years now) have problems that we don't catch right away.
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I made a lil plantlet nursery, pretty happy with how it came out. Shoutout to Petco suction cups
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>>2266239
But now the tank feels kinda crowded between that and my baby guppy spot
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>>2266240
Release the baby gups and they'll hide in the plants eating left over food till they get big enough.
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Does anyone have any Val they wanna get rid of?
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>>2266262
yes
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>>2266276
Please I beg you for some.
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Is it possible my ghost shrimp are picking my sick betta to death? All of sudden half his body and fins seem really fucked.
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I have one of those aquafarm tanks, but no pump. I put some java moss and baby ferns in to grow, but do you think this will be able to house a shrimp colony? I was thinking shrimp and guppies, but I don't know if the lack of a pump will be trouble. If anything I'll just put a betta in it. The moss clump is probably enough for both shrimp and fry to hide in, I think.
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Fish randomly dying. Healthy cherry barb died, betta on death bed looking like overnight fin rot in half of its body, 5 guppies die, and on top of that I've been treating ich for over a week and still no changes. Even more fish are showing signs. Test read 0, 0, 5. Tank size is a 30 long and I over filter and moderately planted. Things like this make me want to give up fish even though I keep everything in good condition ;_;
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>>2266292
how many do you want? it's straight val, I'd do $1 a plant + shipping.
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>>2266437
what's your test kit? temperature?

how quickly do the die and what kind of symptoms do they have?

>>2266397
how big is it? it looks pretty small for fish. shrimp would be fine.
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>>2266326
That's exactly what happened to my first betta. He got sick and I came home to the. Tearing off bits of his fins and eating them.
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>>2266579
API master kit. Temp is highest it goes at 84 degrees. None show signs and they just drop dead. Ich doesn't seem to be going away even with treating with invert safe meds. More so worried about my betta getting overnight fin rot and half his body looks fucked. He was the one most affected by ich. He's in a net so he can get to the top quicker.
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>>2266397
Shrimp or a betta would be okay, but I wouldn't suggest guppies. It would help if you got faster growing plants, floating plants, some kind of light, and changed the substrate.

>>2266579
It's a 3 gallon.
http://www.petco.com/shop/en/petcostore/back-to-the-roots-aquafarm-3-gallon-fish-tank
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>>2266587
yeah that's kind of bizarre since it all points to bad water quality. it is possible your test kit is wrong so you might consider bringing a water sample into your nearest pet store.

what med are you using?
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>>2266596
I don't know it's a new kit. Been doing bi weekly changes since dosing meds. Tank is roughly a year old. Meds is microbe lift herbtana. Suppose not allow to attach to fish after the hatch and then die off quicker with heat and can't attach to any fish.
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>>2266597
does your heater not go up any higher? ich can still reproduce and spread at 84. still, ich doesn't usually kill fish.
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>>2266604
Yeah that's the highest.
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>>2266578
i'll take all of them
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>>2266652
dude I have like 50+ val plants, some 3+ feet long..
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>>2266663
How do I pay? I don't have paypal
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>>2266674
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>>2266681
idk, google wallet? it's free.
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I think something is wrong with one of my albino corys his top fin looks fucked and not Ike the other 4 corys, also he swims back and forth towards the top of the tank rather than the bottom like the rest. What is wrong? Will take pics if anyone interested.
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>>2266681
it's not a big deal to get
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>>2266686
it's likely fin rot. how's your water right now?
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>>2266688
it really seems like fin rot, one sec ill test
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>>2266689
Ammonia 0 nitrite 0 nitrate seems high, why r my plants not doing there job?
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>>2266694
that is pretty high! I wouldn't worry though, nitrates are pretty harmless and if your tank is still cycled it's going to balance out. I've heard great things about melafix for fin rot, just keep the water clean and he should be fine.
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>>2266699
do you just dump melafix in the tank or isolate the sick fish?
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I'm getting into saltwater and I'm having trouble understanding what dry rock actually is. I bought some at the store but I feel like I didn't need to. It feels very calcareous like this bunch of dead coral I picked up back when I was visiting Jamaica years ago. Couldn't I have just used that? Can I still use it?
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>>2266701
I dunno, I've never used it. pretty sure it's very safe stuff tho.

>>2266707
I don't into saltwater, but as far as I understand it live coral is very pricey, and dead coral/dry rock is cheap. live coral will eventually colonize your dead coral, but it takes a while.
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>>2266701
he doesn't use melafix, he just shills it in every thread.

>>2266707
yeah, dry rock is just calcareous rock and dead coral. You can use your Jamaican stuff so long as it's not agatized fossil coral.

dry rock is just the calcareous substrate you're going to infect with organisms from live rock. It needs to be clean, porous, calcareous, and not full of dead animals.
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>>2266710
what would you suggest then
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>>2266710
a) I'm not a he
b) it's cheap, fairly harmless, good for multiple conditions, and I've only ever heard good things about it as far as regrowing fins. do you have a different solution?
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>>2266712
why so much negativity in this thread, cant we all just get along?
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>>2266711
I have no suggestion.

in freshwater the fish is usually cheaper than the cure.
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>>2266715
then don't go around discrediting others, when you are not even informed enough to offer a better solution.
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>>2266717
I didn't say I couldn't, I said the fish is cheaper than the cure.

fin rot is traditionally treated with a broad-spectrum antibiotic or cultured and stained to find out what type of bacteria are present and then treated with targeted antibiotics.

in both cases the treatment is carried out in a quarantine tank to avoid destroying the biofilter and cycling the tank from scratch with sick fish in it.

either process is presumably beyond your abilities and would certainly cost more than just replacing the sick animal with one that's not sick.

though most infections are caused by stress, usually from poor husbandry. So buying more fish will presumably result in the same outcome at some point.

Melafix is a questionable additive, it's about as effect as putting a tiny dose of vinegar in your tank because vinegar has some antibiotic qualities in concentrated doses. I.e., while melaleuca oil does inhibit bacterial growth it also kills fish at any concentration that kills bacteria.

so its benefits as an antimicrobial are probably just pretend. It does have the real effect of reducing oxygen in the water, though it's also reported to calm fish. Of course all of the purported benefits are ascribed by the company that manufactures it.

anon's good things she heard about it are likely true, but most likely other actions- or more importantly inactions- on the part of the users caused the successful outcome.

fish tend to get better on their own if you give them clean water and then don't fuck with them.
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>>2266719
I don't want to replace the fish :( I want to help him
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>>2266721
then set up a QT and treat with a broad spectrum antibiotic.

or if you prefer, dose your tank with melafix and wait a week.

he'll either get better or die, either way you've succeeded. Just be aware the melafix has nothing to do with your success.
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>>2266724
I have a 5 gallon bucket, could I put sand in the bottom and use it as a quarantine tank? Also is melafix a broad spectrum antibiotic or would i need something else. could do frequent water changes
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>>2266701
Either or. You'll use less if you isolate the cory, but it won't hurt anything in the tank if you dose the whole tank.

>>2266719
>burden of proof anon returns for the sake of not backing up any of his claims
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>>2266726
most likely the fish will die from the stress of being moved to an improper QT.

I personally would do nothing. Fish that get sick often die. Providing better water quality to prevent disease is much better than trying to cure it.

Melafix is not biologically active at any concentration your fish can survive. It isn't an antibiotic in normal doses.

>>2266728
>for the sake of not backing up any of his claims
you're welcome to review any and all of the Melafix literature. Or get on Wikipedia and read up on its ingredient. I'm only here to get you to question the snake oil (or tea tree oil if you prefer). You're free to ignore me if you like. But that doesn't change the fact that it does nothing.
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>>2266728
for example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_tree_oil

you will notice that the ingredient of Melafix is in fact poisonous in any concentration that would kill bacteria. It's an effective method of killing fish, or indeed humans if ingested.

it also becomes more toxic when exposed to light, presumably a problem in aquaria.

Melafix gets around this by using extremely small doses of the poison. While this diluted dose won't kill you or your fish, it also doesn't kill bacteria. Indeed there's no clinical evidence that melaleuca oil is any better at killing bacteria than vinegar or lemon juice is. And of course the same problem applies to those substances- any concentration of vinegar or lemon juice that kills bacteria will also kill fish.

the main difference is that melaleuca oil is quite a bit more toxic than vinegar or lemon juice....
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>>2266729
I found this online
here is what you are buying if you are buying melafix

http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?79647-Do-Melafix-and-Pimafix-Work

seems like it's worth a shot if it's fungal related I guess i'll give it a try
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>>2266732
>over half of users polled say it doesn't work
>I guess I'll give it a try
carry on then.
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>>2266719
almost all fish illnesses are caused by poor water quality.

I've read many anecdotes of melafix curing (usually betta) fins very quickly. I've heard more good things about melafix than about any other medication, which is the only reason I throw it out there as a suggestion, only after asking about water quality. nitrates =/= dirty water. if you have any facts to back up your claims, I'd definitely be interested in hearing them.

treating even cheap freshwater fish as disposable excuses a lot of poor care, and everyone would benefit from not treating cheap fish as disposable. I would never suggest for possible poor husbandry to be the first approach to sick fish.

>>2266731
>links a Wikipedia page as proof
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>>2266733
well I obviously don't have a QT tank setup properly so I dont see another option, Im to scared to put salt in there and hurt something else, I guess I could fill a bucket and give it a bath in that blue stuff
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>>2266734
>if you have any facts to back up your claims, I'd definitely be interested in hearing them.
if you don't trust Wikipedia or know how to read their sources you can't be helped.

sorry.
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>>2266735
>I dont see another option
doing nothing aside from improving water quality is likely the best option.

our melafix shill is loving you though. I say go for it. See what you learn.

I am curious if you actually read that thread you posted though. It's 99% people agreeing with me.
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>>2266735
>I guess I could fill a bucket and give it a bath in that blue stuff
the stress of trying to treat the problem will most likely kill the animal.

you can try it if you like though. If nothing else the failure will be educational.
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>>2266737
Yes I did, I also read that very long explanation of what both melafix, and primafix contain. I guess my nitrates should be lower so I will do a water change. While the tea tree oil doesn't seem harmful, it does seem to alleviate small issues for some. I don't know the cost so I will consider it when I get some sand, im sure they will appreciate the softer substrate, is my amount of nitrates an unhealthy level?
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>>2266741
Nitrates *usually* aren't the problem. They have to go extremely high extremely fast to trigger illness.

more common problems are overfeeding, improper temperatures, mulm releasing ammonia, chlorine or chloramine in the water, or a dead biofilter or uncycled tank.

I can't identify what specifically is causing problems for you without knowing a whole lot more about your tank and parameters.

it is also possible that your water quality is fine and the fish is stressed by other factors such as tankmates or just plain old age.
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>>2266743
I recently added plants.

ammonia is 0, nitirites 0 nitrates are around 20ppm

honestly on feeding I don't know how much is enough there are a total of 5 albino corys and 1 SA bumblee, I generally feed them the hikari sinking wafers, is 1 wafer per fish normal? I usually feed them a few a day, but the injured fish doesn't go for it. I also have brine shrimp and blood worms that they love. I fear overfeeding may be my problem but I don't know how much is enough.

7x white clouds
4x neon tetras
1x SA bumblebee
3-4x amano shrimp
1x mystery snail

just for refrence in regards to feeding
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>>2266747
usually if you're overfeeding you'll read some ammonia.

it is possible to overstock an aquarium with bacteria, then overfeeding would show 0 ammonia, elevated nitrate, and reduced O2.

that would likely affect all of your fish though. In your case where you have plants and only one fish is in trouble I'd look at behavior. If the other fish are picking on the sick one or driving it away that's a very likely cause. This often presents with fin rot because the other fish may be nipping his fins.

if that's the problem there is no cure that will last aside from moving the affected fish. Even this doesn't usually fix the problem though since the aggressor(s) will just find another fish to peck to death. And another and on and on.

If you don't notice any bullying then it may just be a random infection for reasons we can't identify. That happens too.
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One of my otos. Hoping all my fish pull through this.
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>>2266688
Bubble gum
>>2266689
Bubblegum
>>2266699
In
>>2266701
A
>>2266709
Dish
>>2266711
How
>>2266714
Many
>>2266717
Pieces
>>2266719
Do
>>2266721
You
>>2266726
Wish. You can breathe, you can blink, you can cry. Hell a lot of you are going to be doing some of that.
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Please help with my tank, /aq/ :( It looks shit...
The elodea was a fucking mistake I know that much but at least it isn't getting eaten. What mid-ground plants would look good?

I've got some java moss and crystalwort as carpeting experiments, which seem to be working, but the middle third of the tank is shockingly ugly.

p.s. ignore the range of different fish, I had to transfer some after my angels started laying.
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>>2266889
A few crypts would look nice. C. Wendtii
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>>2266736
I'll check out some sources today. I won't recommend the product anymore if it sounds shitty. I really don't understand why anyone would be so upset over the use of Melafix when most anons in here buy safe start.

>>2266758
what the actual fuck, are you off your meds?

>>2266889
seems too dark for starters.

don't your two male gouramis fight?
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>>2266889
Angels gotta go though. they get taller than they do long and soon won't have any room to really swim up or down without scraping up there fins.
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>>2266891
He can't post in this thread anymore after that beating.
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>>2266890
Thanks anon, would you remove the bogwood in the middle or plant around it?

>>2266891
I took the photo on a potato, the lighting's fine irl, as for the gourami, they nip each other occasionally but they're bros for the most part

>>2266892
Ah yeah, they're in a separate tank by themselves. The black one in this tank is in there until I decide what to do with him (the two breeding angels naturally bullied him)


Would you guys stick with green foliage or would some red coloured plants look nice?
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>>2266903
Plant a few crypts around it. Wendtii comes in brown, green, and red. Also flamingo but it's harder to keep alive.
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>>2266912
I'll have a look at what the shop's got in tomorrow and post a few pictures of what I find, I'm pretty sure they've got all kind of crypts in. In your opinion should I keep the elodea? I feel it doesn't match the rest of the plants...
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>>2266923
Yeah the elodea does not look to right in that set up. Would be good in a fry tank though as a floating plant.
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>>2266934
Well that's perfect seeing as one of my guppies recently produced some fry, they're about a week old now! So ill move it into their little tank once I've replaced it
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Another healthy cherry barb dead and the betta :-) if all my fish die I'm out of the hobby.
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>>2266891
>I really don't understand why anyone would be so upset over the use of Melafix
it gets recommended so often here I assume someone is being paid to recommend it.
>when most anons in here buy safe start.
I gave up trying to educate /aq/ about cycling years ago.
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>>2267043
Takes 4-8 weeks for a complete cycle
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>>2267047
yes, I know. good luck convincing /aq/ of that.
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>>2267043
yeah, I still don't get what's wrong with melafix. I recommend it to anons with fin rot because it's widely available and is a safe antibiotic. cajeput- the main ingredient- should work just fine against gram positive bacteria and external infections.

there's this as well:
http://www.fish-as-pets.com/2008/12/melafix-dangers-labyrinth-fish.html

anyhow I don't care if anyone actually buys it. people need to be keeping their water clean, not just throwing money at the problem.
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>>2267061
I use Indian almond leaves. Great for fish who have fin rot.
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>>2267061
>is a safe antibiotic
it isn't an antibiotic at recommended doses.
>cajeput- the main ingredient- should work just fine against gram positive bacteria and external infections.
it does nothing at the recommended dose.

you're recommending something that doesn't work. I don't care how safe it is
you're trying to get people to spend their money on something that doesn't work.

fuck you for that.
maybe you can talk some anons into spending on prayer mats and homeopathy too. Idiot.
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>>2267075
jeez, take it easy buddy.
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>>2267029
well if they just died on you clearly it wasnt healthy
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>>2267087
Odd part is I keep my parameters stable. No signs of parasites and just noticed ich is under control. None of the cherry barbs had it. The rest are healthy and the other healthy ones that died just stop swimming out of nowhere and fell to the bottom. Despite my otos being the most sensitive fish they're completely fine.
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>>2267089
>None of the cherry barbs had it
it usually infests the gills where you won't see it.

by the time it shows up on the skin many of your fish are as good as dead from the ich in their gills.
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>>2267090
We will see how it goes. Been dosing meds and heat. If tank fails well at least I'll have plants.
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>>2267090
I've never had a fish die of ich...

>>2267089
you might want to pick up either a heater that goes to 86 or a med with malachite green in it. are the fish new or is there a bully in there or something?
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>>2267094
I have meds with malachite but I have shrimp and snails also. No new fish or bully fish. They newest fish have been in the tank for 5 months. I really need to go out and get a hospital tank when I get paid and new heaters. I just felt my heater and the light is on but it's cool to the touch. Temp still 84 though.
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[blog]Went to the Nature Aquarium in Santa Monica a week ago. Had a few things that caught my eye (emerald rasbora, pseudomugil tenellus, some hillstream loaches).[/blog]

Anyone wanna recommend me a Freshwater fish store around the general LA area that has the best selection of nano fish?
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>>2267089
what are your parameters
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>>2267102
I did a test when i got home about two hours ago. They were 0, 0, 10 using the api kit.
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>>2267096
weird. the malachite green didn't get rid of the ich?
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>>2267109
I haven't tried it yet in fear of killing my inverts.
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>>2267109
Well meds say Victoria green which I heard is just malachite
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>>2267114
>>2267110
looks like victoria and malachite green are the same.

getting a new heater would definitely be the easiest way to get rid of the ich, but your fish might die by then. I'm guessing you have plants and can't add salt. do you have a 5 gal bucket or a bin you can use as a hospital tank?
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guy with four red cherry shrimp anon here
turns out one of them is a female
i only saw three of them today, but the other two males were a-ok
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Trade some Java fern that's attached by its roots to lava rock for some back ground plant.
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What's something interesting that I can finish off my stock with? The betta is a chill dude.
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>>2267169
3 more otos
At least 2 more corys
Just to complete the schools
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Oh boy another barb swimming near the top :-) not gasping just staying near the top and swimming as if things are normal. This is what happened when my first one died two days ago.
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>>2267172
Push it back down.
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>>2267177
Threw in some ich treatment with malachite green. Here's to nothing. I'll never trust a "all natural" medicine again.
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>>2267183
what's the ich treatment? malachite green shouldn't be mixed with anything but formalin...
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>>2267171
Still leaves me room to add something else though
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>>2267169
I wouldn't get otos. they're wild caught and most of them starve to death within the first month...
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>>2267196
I already have 3 of them in my 10g and they've been doing fine for the past two months. I'm moving up in tank size so I can actually have okay sized schools instead of the bare minimum I have now.
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>>2267169
I'd get bigger schools of everything, especially the corys since they're so much fun to watch in big schools.

maybe another school of non nippy fish, and a community chiclid?
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>>2267189
It's formalin
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>>2267189
Also I did a dose big enough for 10 gallons for my 30 gallon since I have shrimp and snails
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Assholes cleared every bit of green spot algae in two days now they are going after Toby the gobys supply.
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>>2267215
>did a dose big enough for 10 gallons for my 30 gallon since I have shrimp and snails
1/3 dose of malachite will still kill all your scrimps & sniles
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>>2267224
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>>2267224
Fuck me ass m8. I'm still a noob. I'll move them into this 1 gallon tank that I use for plants until everything is done. I have freshwater limpets though that need to be taken care of.
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>>2265365
Few dwarf puffers will be fine, say 4. Keep one male to 3 females. They're pretty cool and have big personalities
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>>2265382
>I'd add that doing water changes during a cycle prolongs the bitch up to a year.
You just completely invalidated yourself.
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>>2267296
just going off what I read on reefcentral.

I've never personally tested the idea. Those guys have.
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>>2267300
There's a lot of bullshit in this game.
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>>2267302
true.

I've found there's less on reefcentral than most places though. A few of their regulars are PhD marine biologists and ichthyologists, so bullshit doesn't fly as easily there.

I'm not any sort of expert myself though.
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Okay so my Monte Carlo is sprouting submerged leaves and doing great, but now I'm having a problem keeping them rooted. This morning ALL of it had been uprooted. Any tips keeping these things planted?
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>>2267492
your aquascape is beautiful
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>>2265365
Wtf do people even mean when they say "predator fish"? The VAST majority of fish in the hobby will predate small invertebrates just like a pea puffer. They're nothing special in that regard.
Also, if you were considering a pirhana because you wanted "muh big bad predator fish," you are grossly misinformed about them. See >>2262134.
If, for whatever reason, you just want an aggressive fish, get a 20 long and a pair of convict cichlids.
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>>2267296
Not by a year (in freshwater, at least), but I tried doing that with a 10 gallon and gave up after 2 months and no nitrates. Moved the animals to a 5 gallon bucket temporarily to let the tank do its thing.
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>>2267492
Maybe put little rocks around them pretty much touching the stems so fish can't knock them up till they're rooted.
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>>2267497
>convict cichlids
>20 long
Kekaroo
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>>2267497
There's a difference between predatory fish and just fish who will eat whatever. I'm not going to get into it because even fish that eat only plants can be considered predators.
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>>2267495
Thanks. It's a bit messy because of the one asshole nerite keeps moving rocks around.
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>>2267511
I have a nerite and several mts that will move rocks. I was thinking maybe getting some of that plastic sewing grid and securing the Monte Carlo to it. Would that work? With like super glue or something.
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>>2267547
I suggest making a prison for them.
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>>2267556
Build a wall.
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>>2267502
I've done several 10g tanks in 4-5 weeks, all of which I have done 50-70% water changes on when the ammonia and nitrites spike.

Hardly any of the good bacteria resides in the water itself, so water changes are only performed to dilute the current levels of ammonia/nitrite, or, in a cycled tank, nitrates.
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>>2267626
>Hardly any of the good bacteria resides in the water itself, so
removing bacteria isn't the mechanism that slows the cycle.

you need ammonia and nitrite to feed the beneficial bacteria. Removing it via water changes means it takes longer for them to colonize your tank.
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>>2267629
Yes this is why I pee in my tanks after every water change
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>>2267637
>Tfw still haven't received femanon pee for your tank
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I feel like my tank is pretty bare.. I can't think of anything good to add. I got a big root with lots of branches but it still floats so its not added yet. Im hoping it helps to make it less dull.
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>>2267667
the main issue is there's nothing in the foreground. I'd add some more plant for sure. shrimp also help add a lot of activity with very little bioload.
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>>2267669
Good luck with shrimp with that snake head
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>>2267669
Oh and the electric blue acara
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>>2267671
>>2267672
sorry dawg, I don't know those fish. I assume that anyone who stocks aggressive fish knows whether shrimp would be torn to bits or not.
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>>2267672
>>2267671
Since shrimp and smaller fish are out of the question, what do you suggest then?
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Just bought my first 75 gallon. Never had anything bigger then my current 37 high. New tank new possibilities, but I'm confused on what substrate I should get. Definitely want plants. What's the recommended substrate? Dirt on bottom, sand on top? What brands?
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>>2267667
Did you make your background? Any tips for someone who wants to make their own?
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>>2267523
>what do people even mean when they say "predator fish"?
>"there is a difference between predatory fish and normal fish, but I won't tell you what it is"
Uh, thanks?
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>>2267694
I just don't feel like going through that argument with the same anon who tried to make it seem like he didn't lose.
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>>2267698
>hermit crabs a predator
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>>2267700
Actually the one he had and killed on purpose weren't predators. No such thing as predatory hermits. They're scavenged and will eat anything they can get.
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>>2267684
I like mineralized topsoil topped with pool filter sand. my fave sand is from Ace, it has a nice color and large crystals.

>>2267700
stop
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>>2267705
Scavengers*
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>>2266758
I'lll take 3 Peices of bubblegum anon chan
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>>2266889
dude stfu your tank looks great, I love the drift wood wall on the right. the water does appear foggy, is that your camera or is your water not clear? Clear up the water get a brighter light and it would help to show more detail and color!
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>>2267190
brown recluse
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>>2267698
>with the same anon who tried to make it seem like he didn't lose.
*ahem*
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What the fuck is with half the pictures in this thread being unrelated bullshit?

I've seen that fucking snake avatarfag like 5 times now
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>>2267754
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>>2267754
Kick his ass Ron!
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>>2267711
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>>2267795
I don't understand your hip references, the memes are too deep.
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>>2267799
You can't post. Black negan killed you.
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>>2267804
*ded* Pic related
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>>2267807
Pic related
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>>2267693
Its just the standard overpriced juwel stone granite background
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>>2267629
Yeah, obviously, but I mean once they appear and then spike.
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>>2267698
Lose what? I asked a question and you're acting like your hot shit for not being able to answer it, presumably because you're a fragile little peony with an ego fashioned from whispers and Chinese newsprint.
If I knew what the fuck Anon was looking for for his 10 gallon tank, I would know how to answer his question, but since he seems to have bailed after losing his edgelord fantasy of pirhana ownership, and you're insistent upon doing nothing but making yourself out to be an attention whore with a mental defect, I guess I'm going to have to settle for ad hominem just like everyone else on this board.
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>>2267976
A little butthurt are we? No one bit of what you said is true or how I was acting. But if it makes you feel better go ahead. Sound like you're a bit fragile yourself.
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Does catching wild fish for the pet trade greatly affect ecosystems? I honestly really want a bichir but something about taking it from its home rubs me the wrong way. I know it helps communities but what about the environment?
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>>2267976
Check out this pseudo intellectual
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>>2267990
Wow they are like water dragons, anyone tank raise them?
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>>2267990
Bichirs are fine. If it were to affect it I don't think there would be such fish in pet stores
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>>2267976
dude no offense but you sound absolutely ass blasted. You are putting words in there mouth to try and justify your fucking triggered freak out. Why don't you use google? You are the only one sounding like you have some kind of mental defect. Maybe schizophrenia? Classic autism? Just fuck off and stop shitting up every single thread with your pseudo intellectual bullshit. Also nice ad hominems yourself. Your 4 year old brother/cousin help you think of them?
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>>2267990
>>2267992
There are some tank raised bichirs. I use to have a delhezi that was captive bred.
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>>2267994
Check out this pseudo intellectual
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>>2267997
Fish can't be pseudo intellectuals. They can't speak human.
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>>2268000
Bumping this thread cause it hasn't ended
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>>2268079
Goes in all fields
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>>2267988
>>2267991
>>2267994
I'm under no obligation to take the "moral high ground" when posting on a Chinese autism awareness imageboard. If y'all want a shitting contest, who am I to deny you the sperg you so desperately crave?
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>>2268133
You sperged out first
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>>2268148
Only because you asked so kindly.
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>>2268160
You started it.
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>>2268166
If you can't understand it, then I don't have time to explain it to you. You can google it if you really want.
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>>2268171
Again you started it
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>>2268171
Don't wanna be that guy but you did start it.
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>>2268177
>>2268186
If that's you're interpretation of it, then so be it.
I just don't feel like going through that argument with the same anon who tried to make it seem like he didn't lose.
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What would you estimate the size of this tank as?
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>>2268276
Hey you're the one that lost buddy. Get over it.
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>>2268396
at least 70 gallons is my estimate
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>>2268396
Dimensions?
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>>2268401
Only one winner here, and it's the guy eating fruit loops out of a coffee mug while watching CSI Miami.
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>>2268426
I have no clue. It's a craigslist ad and that's the only picture, no dimensions listed.
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>>2268396
Judging by the size, I'm guess it's anywhere between 55 to 75 gallons. I'd say inquire about dimensions if you want it
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what do you think? ignore the fire eel, me and my friend are going halves and I'm growing it out for him (its going to a 5ft tank) and the hoplo is just a placeholder for a mystery catfish I have.
also the dora is stunted from the lfs so he won't outgrow

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