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Companion Planting - Raised Beds - Vertical Gardening - Square Foot Gardening - Polyculture - Composting - Mulching - Vermiculture - Espalier - Fungiculture - Aquaponics - Greenhouses - Cold Frames - Hot Boxes - Polytunnels - Forest Gardening - Aquaculture


Murray's DVDs on Aquaponics, (sample: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYR9s6chrI0 )

Backyard Aquaponics Mag,

Backyard Aquaponics System.


Youtube channel Growingyourgreens, tons of videos on almost every single gardening subject,

Ollas clay pot watering system,

USA Time of Year Planting Guide,

Food preservation,

Mushrooms, (culinary and psychoactive):

Mother Earth News' Vegetable Garden Planner program, (full version requires yearly subscription $fee)

Tons of Gardening/Farming PDFs
US Farm Income and Taxes,

US Grants and Loans for Small Farms,

Managing Risks on Your Small Farm,

Chicken info and forum,

Rabbit guide

A public access seedbank for many types of rare or endangered plants; both edible and ornamental,

Organic and heirloom selections:

Potato, Sweet Potato, and Tubers seed bank (free, but requies filling out forms and waiting in line):

Awesome interactive plant/gardening maps for USA, Canada, France, UK, BC, (frost dates, temp zones, etc):

Sprout seeds and info:

Insect Habitats for attracting polinating bees, predatory/parasitic wasps, hibernating ladybugs, butterflies, etc.

Toad and Hedgehog Habitats,

Chili Peppers!

More on Aquaponics & Aquaculture,
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Planted some of these bad boys today, hopefully they germinate well in the container I've got them in. If not I've got ~1990 seeds left, I should be alright.
Seeds from the year 1990 or 1,990 seed count?
I would have thought you'd know my seed count by now
ive been wanting to get some radishes planted but im still getting a bit of warm weather
I let some Champion radishes go to seed, they were about the size of baseballs when finished. I bred them with some French Breakfast, can't wait to see what I get.
haha 1,990 seeds left. Got some new seeds this time, just picked these ones up from the hardware store.

Same, it's surprisingly hot for almost mid-October (Northern California) but it's supposed to cool down out here in the next two to three weeks though.


Wow, if mine get that big I'll need bigger containers! That's pretty insane. Hope the hybrid turns out well.
It has been cold rainy and miserable here. So, I haven't even been able to get a chance to pick my blue hopi corn. I hope it isn't rotting. I'll have to go out and pick it in the rain and make sure it gets really dry inside with a fan or it is screwed. Curse this weather!
>get plastic tarp
>tent the tarp over the top of the plant, or over the ground and any vertical support near the plant
>wait 10 minutes
>pick corn dry under the tarp, then put in covered bag, and bring in
Too many tarps needed.
I've got fucking whitefly all over my chilli and tomato plants, sigh. Gonna neem oil and yellow trap them but anyone got any other tips?
Before you use the pest control stuff, hose it down really well with a good spray of water. Be careful not to injure the leaves too much. This will help a lot if you do it regularly with all sorts of pests. After a couple of hours you can put the neem oil on it, but set the traps back out immediately.

Are your plants indoors or outside; in a container?
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I need some help identifying these mushrooms. They grow up from the base of nearly every single one of my carrots. They've been growing like this for about a month now and the carrots with these mushrooms are massively wide.

I'm in Zone 5, Eastern USA. I'm doing a black and white background spore print right now and will post results of that in a few hours hopefully. I'm also doing a bruising color test. These smell slightly spicy and slightly aromatic, but mostly they smell like rich wet soil. They actually smell better than portobello mushrooms.

How is the top of the hat? Is it leathery to the touch, or a bit slimy?
The one I brought in half an hour ago is dry and firm. It breaks easily. The ones in the garden have just been rained on, so I'd have to wait until that dries out a but.

I'll try to find out when you post that sporeprint, but no guarantees.
Yeah, I'm getting nothing online both with keys and random images. These come up all the time in my garden, but this is the first time they are mostly concentrated at the base of something like this.
Looks like it is white to greyish so far. When it is thicker it may have more color, so I'll wait.

Man, it's a tricky one for me! It may be that this one does not exist where i live (northern Europe), and that's the reason I am not finding it in my books.

You should hit up your local mycologist.
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Here's the spore print after leaving it over night. In most light it appears silvery-white to very white. The bruised sections of the mushroom never changed color at all.

I'm not going to eat these and wouldn't if they were edible. I already have a freezer full of chicken-of-the-woods and home canned jars of shiitake I grew from logs.
Have a hard time choosing what peppers to grow next year.
What's your zone? What's your growing season like? Do you like spicy foods, or do you like mildly spicy but sweeter salsas? What's your growing space like? What varieties (if any) have you grown before?

These ought to give us some tips on what to suggest, if you've got the patience to answer them
I live in the Netherlands, according to wikipedia that should be zone 8.

Growing season is from May to September I guess.

The only variety I have grown is a superhot I forgot the name of this year. Maybe I had too much nitrogen in the soil but it didn't flower until close to the end of the season. I will overwinter it though.

I like spicy food.
Growing space isn't too big but I probably have space for 2-3 extra plants.

I currently have some "thai hot culinary" seeds and "African bird's eye" (piri piri) which interest me.
But they're also pretty similar peppers judging by images.

Remember, the only real people on 4chan are you, me, and m00t.
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Winter is on its way.

But for now I'm preparing for next season and winter gardening. I've been ripping out dead and dying summer crops and piling up overwintering compost into the newer beds. I still have carrots, kale, romaine lettuce, sunchokes, and some chard going. Some of which will be harvested soon.

I'm hoping to get at least one polytunnel up over a different bed this winter. Though, I'll be growing cold weather salad crops instead of tomatoes this time.

What are other Homegrownmen up to during the changing of the seasons?
You've got a decent growing season so I'm going to recommend quite a few different varieties, which ought to all come together nicely.

Try these:
Super Red Ruffled
Trinidad Perfume

The super reds will be nice and thick, but not very spicy, the trinidad perfumes will be mildly spicy but good for salsa, and the Habanero will be the spiciest of the three, good for hot dishes. A nice combination
My basil has germinated! Hope the tiny little guys don't die... the smallest little sprouts I've ever seen, thankfully the heat wave we've been having here hasn't demolished all of them.

Sounds intriguing in reviews.
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Smallest carolina reapers of all time.

They probably didn't grow big because it didn't grow fruit until close to the end of the season.
Atleast they're ripening, and when I'll overwinter it I'll have a strong plant next year.
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I harvested some carrots today. 10.5lbs. Here is what they look like. They look like this because I transplanted them when I was thinning them out. I should have just spaced the seeds out better, but I didn't have the room at the time.

All the carrots that were not transported look like that long straight carrot. However, they just look weird. They are all about the same mass and have good flavor.
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My peppers I've brought in are producing buds and making new peppers.

Trinidad Moruga Scorpion on the top left and Bhut Jolokia on the top right. Bottom pics are hot Hungarian wax. The Hungarian wax plant was one that I dug up and brought in. I've been hosing aphids off it daily and almost have them all gone.
Hey guys. This year I'm applying to a job that can place me anywhere across the USA.

It's my dream to have a big garden/small farm. Fruit trees, ideally.

But I have no experience. So what's the easiest place to grow shit, with a lost cost of land?
You going to be WWOOFing?

>So what's the easiest place to grow shit, with a lost cost of land?

In a container or raised bed pretty much anywhere on the planet if inside and most places have a long enough growing season to grow most everything outside.

The places you should grow in are those where communities share your likes and dislikes and enthusiasm for what you want to do.
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And now so have my cilantro and my radishes! So exciting. The cilantro sprout (at least I hope that that is what it is and not some random weed) came up a day before the suggested time to germinate, which is exciting! What looks like two of the radishes have germinated so far as well. Very happy with the weather as of late too, it's cooled down quite a bit, definitely feels like October here in Norcal.
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and the Cilantro
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So I want to finally get my setup working
but I need some very basic level

lsr compact lamp + evr
where do I attach which cables?
>pic related
It says right on the ballast frame. Also, /diy/ is a good board to ask for advice on this.

I'm not familiar with that type of light, but obviously the one end plugs into something. The box says something about push terminals. I'd say it might be like a speaker system where you cut some wire in the thickness it states and push them into the terminals.

Close up pics of the diagrams and more of the ballast frame, light, and terminals would be good. But, yeah ask /diy/ too.

I bought 3 Caribbean red habanero seedlings this spring, thinking you know, how much can one produce anyway? Better have 3.
I ended up with three huge ass bushes full of peppers. Pretty sure I got like 300 peppers out.

I'm also planning to overwinter one, if fucking aphids don't eat them whole. Man fucking aphids, I'm using biokill on the motherfuckers but they always come back. Usually right after a rainy day, and it's been raining all summer.

Besides overwintering them, you can easily clone them aswell.
Just take a cutting (cut it at an angle, leave only a few leaves, no flowers!), immediately dip it in the rooting hormone powder, plant it in the soil and put it in a zip bag or something that will keep moisture all the time.

Zip bag worked flawlessly for me. One day I forgot to close the bag so the plant quickly wilted. After sprinkling some water over it and closing the bag, it shot up in no time.

It basically buys itself time by getting water from air until enough roots grow out of the stem.
lol Yeah one year I was like, "I need jalapeno peppers". So, I bought a flat of plants (24 plants). Oh god. Years later and I'm still trading, selling, and eating jars of those peppers. lol

Aphids are an amazing problem for peppers this year for me for overwintering. I highly recommend you hose them down once a day before taking them in. Like under the leaves, on the buds, etc. don't let and leaves touch the container rim or the soil. That is where washed off ones will climb back on. If you can, stuff something over the soil so it won't fall out and lean the pot over on its side to hose off the plant.

Buy some chewing tobacco (try to find organic if you can with no additives). Boil the hell out of it as a tea. Reduce the tea by half the liquid. DO NOT GET THIS ON YOUR SKIN!!! Wash it off ASAP if it gets on you. It can kill you from nicotine poisoning pretty quickly. Use it in a spray bottle on the aphids. Only use it after the plant has been in for 1 week and you've been washing it every day. Then just spray only in spots the plants need it.
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Guys, can anyone help me identify these peppers?

They are about 3 cm (an inch) long and pretty hot. They grow in groups and are pointed upwardly (i think).

Of course, it's a Tabasco pepper. Now I at least know what to use them for next season.

>home grown

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>not being at home in the outdoors
Does anyone grow non-food plants? I garden, but I don't grow vegetables or herbs.
I grow cosmos and some other flowers to attract helpful pollinators, but that's about it. Also herbs like basil around my tomatoes, and dill to attract parasitic wasps, but I guess those are edible, even though I never eat them, just grow them to help out the garden.
I grow cacti! I live on the southwest and get very little rainfall. I have one blackberry patch in the shady part of my garden but everything else is cacti and succulents.
Are tomatoes perennials?
Or can't I overwinter them like my peppers?
Of course! Many garden vegetables are actually perennials, In fact many annuals are actually just perennials that are being grown in an environment they can't handle so they end up dying before the 2-year mark

With tomatoes, having an indeterminate variety means it will grow as a vine until its death. You can try to bush it out by pinching out the tops and allowing suckers above each leaf to grow out. But, if left alone it will grow 50-70 feet easily. Only a 5-7 foot section on the end of that will actually have fruit and leaves though.

So, for many people a determinant variety is easier to manage because they are naturally bushy and don't grow passed a certain height.
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My Hungarian wax pepper plant that I've been giving the most care to has really flourished. It has tons and tons of buds and blooms going. I've been pollinating those with a Q-tip every day. It should be loaded with peppers again very soon. There's barely any aphids on it at all. Today, I've only seen 1 so far. I also took the chance to give my super hot peppers a good hosing down for good measure and regular maintenance.

I still have several more outside that need hosed down again a few times before being brought inside. So, far, I've only lost 1 plant to aphids and the initial move.

The biggest problem is getting enough space ready for them. I need to build a special table for the extras.
Just got a big blueberry bush ripped out, and my planters are all clear (except for cat shit.. those fuckers won't leave it alone, even if I use stuff to repel them).

I'm pretty new to horticulture in general, and I've got about 0.5m * 5m to use. What can I investigate planting this time of year?

Put a 2 inch/5cm layer of gravel over the top of the soil for the plants and they cats will leave them alone.

>What can I investigate planting this time of year?

Where do you live and what temperature zone is it and what season is next (winter/summer?) I'm planting leafy greens like lambs quarter, plantains, lettuces, spinach, kale, and stuff like onions and garlic. As it gets colder I'll put a polytunnel over them. Colder still 2 layers of plastic then finally electric heating and a fan. If you use a polytunnel ventilation is important or the plants can cook during hot sunny days even if there's snow on the ground.
UK. Fairly high walls (except the one that just fell down) around my garden so it doesn't get a ton of sunlight.

Winter's coming, south coast so it doesn't get as cold as the north but it'll still get below freezing for a couple months.
I think I have some lettuce seeds somewhere, so I think maybe a poly tunnel with them, and and maybe some chard. Interested in growing onions though. I also hear you can plant carrots all year round, providing the soil isn't full of clay or pebbles.

I'll give the cat thing a try, thanks.


>lowest is Zone 7a

Envy, where I live, in the USA, it is Zone 5b. You might not even need polytunnels lol I had a 30cm of snow on mine last year I had to wipe off and it got down to -26C.

Yes, carrots do really well in cooler climates. Plant two plots. One to eat and one to let grow for 2 seasons so you get seeds to replant for eating ones. Get some heirlooms in a wide range of colors. They have so many different levels of flavor. If you plant parsnips, don't harvest them until it has frosted 1-2 times (if it frosts where you live). They will sweeten in flavor as a result.

To help with light, you can have walls that are white to help reflect ambient light around. That helps a lot.
As it happens, I'm in 9a. so I guess I'm lucky in that regard.

Thanks for your help, I'll be heading down the shops tomorrow to pick up some bits and bobs.
Do you guys prefer to buy young plants (like peppers/tomatoes) or buy the seeds and germinate yourself.
Depends on the availability. If there are live plants locally then I'll buy those. If not I'll buy seeds online. After that I save seeds and plant those next crop. Once you get a good seed bank going and know how to best save and start plants you don't buy anything else. Unless you want something you don't already have or are into hybrids and aren't making those yourself.
Is it difficult to graft your own plants?
Why do sites often list that tomato seeds germinate in 7-14 days.
They've always started germinating within 2 days for me.

14 days it what it took for my ghost pepper to germinate.
It really depends on many factors and how you try to germinate them. Most of my seeds germinate in about 18 hours because I remove or scratch the protective layer a tiny bit, keep them moist, and keep them very warm. Pepper seeds on the other hand take forever.

When you have the proper tools and knowledge it only takes a bit of practice, but it isn't that difficult. It also depends on the type of plants too as to how well they will take and how sloppy you can be with it. Some plants can't be grafted.
Can I grow something in a 5cl bottle? I have an empty JD 5cl bottle and I think it'd look nice with a plant inside.
That's quite a small space and will essentially root bound and dwarf whatever you put into it. If you are fine with that then you can plant most anything in something like that. You'll need to give it special attention once it becomes root bound and there's essentially no soil left.
Never been in one of these threads before. I was thinking of making a mini tea garden, with mint, chamomile, and maybe some jasmine. Is there any complicated hydropontics that are required or would it be a simple case of potted plants that just need water and light? [spoiler] Be gentle I'm a complete scrub the only plants I've ever maintained were cacti and there piss easy to keep alive[/spoiler]
That's my experience too. Tomatoes germinate right away, peppers takes weeks, sometimes months.

Surely some plants require less dirt than others, and would be more fitting for a small bottle?
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Migrating here from a algae/biodiesel thread in /diy/, and a question came up we figured you could answer.
If you set up an aquaponics system with fish in one tank and algae in the other, would the algae clean the water of nitrogen and other waste products effectively? Also, would they add significant amounts of oxygen to the water, or no?
We appreciate your help in this matter, /out/doorsmen. Pic semi-related
Yes, it works in principle - the problem is more that the algae will most likely be too efficient and the fish culture would not produce enough nitrates/phosphates to reach high algae densities, plus it's hard to separate without losing cells, and you'll have to deal with possible contaminants to your algae culture.
It's easier to just use higher plants if you want to filter your fish culture or use artificial fertilizer for your algae culture.
>Surely some plants require less dirt than others,

You'd essentially be into hydroponics once root bound. Even then, the pressure the roots cause on themselves starts to become too much and sections may end up dying. It is always best to have a slightly large pot than normal. Even bonsai have heir roots trimmed off and thinned out 1-2 times a growing season.

If you need containers, you can make your own. It really depends on what materials you have access to. Most people have access to flour, water, paper/newspaper, salt, candle wax. Just make a paper mache pot, dry it well then melt up some wax and soak apply it all over the pot so it will be water proof. If you have water proofing paint that can work too. Large pots (5+ gallon pots) should have a chicken wire mesh to help give them extra support.


A faster easier method of pot making is to use a couple plastic trashbags to line inside a cardboard box. Some people use old flour bags with plastic lining as flower pots. Be inventive.
Thanks for the info, friend! I wonder at what point would the fish density support the algae density? Could you feed the fish waste from the algae, if it was carp or another omnivorous fish that wasn't too picky?
In any event, thanks again and good luck to all your growing things!
Are you talking about a spirulina algae culture because I don't think that would work out well

They live in environments so extreme no Higher life form exists there, putting water the fish were in untreated with spirulina would severally reduce production because they need really alkaline, warm water high in a few key nutrients
has anyone had any experience with growing climbing plants in unconventional directions? i.e potting on top of a wall, and growing down a trellis on the wall
I wasn't thinking of a specific species, and it would be growing in a separate tank with a series of filters to keep the algae out of the fish tank and the fish out of the algae tank.
Guys, how do I into Artichokes ?
I've noticed the state do that with ivy. They've been building walls on highways that pass by residential areas, and then growing ivy down from the top to beautify them.

That's a great resource, but what about when you have a specific container you want to use, like that guy's Jack bottle, or just lack space on your windowsill?
>That's a great resource, but what about when you have a specific container you want to use, like that guy's Jack bottle, or just lack space on your windowsill?

You make do until the plant either dies or you have something better for it. The best thing you can grow in a wee tiny space would be garlic or onions for their green tops.
Hi /out/

I live in Southern California (Zone 10A) and I have several tomato plants that were stressed due to caterpillars, leafhoppers, spider mites, and tomato hornworms so they didn't produce as much fruit as when I had grown tomatoes in the past.

November is coming and it usually doesn't gets colder than 45F(RARE) to 52F (about right in the coldest month(s) so I want to know how to prune my plants (about 6 feet tall and I have 5 of them)... what are the 'do's and don'ts' for my plants as far as pruning them? Do you guys have guides or websites to recommend? I keep finding them for tomato plants in winter climates where there is snow and freezing so its been hard to find one specifically for Southern California's (Zone 10A) mild climate. I have one tomato plant in a pot that is a year and 6 months old and the 4 plants in the ground are 6 months old. What is a good rule of thumb for pruning the tomato plants back so they will regrow throughout winter and produce a crazy spring harvest into next fall? I know I need to mulch the 4 tomato plants in the ground and I waited too long to do it; vines grew out of control and it was too much to handle so I couldn't get to the bottom of the plants to carefully spread the mulch and since there was lots of foliage in the way. By summer, things got worse because there were bees and wasps visiting the plants during the day so it made it impossible for me to be able to attempt to prune them without getting attacked by them and the problem with little or no sunlight when the bees and wasps left for the night.

Also, I have 5 basil plants in the same area that are each about 3 feet tall and getting so big and heavy that the stems are knocking down. Should I allow the basil plants to live like the tomatoes since basil is an annual or should I do a 'final' harvest of the basil plant at some point (and when?) then regrow new basil plants from seed in the spring?

Thanks again!!
No need for a thanks.
Glad helping you.
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