ITT: Ask the opposite gender anything

Girls, my penis is hungry. Wat do?

My puss tastes like salty water. Is that normal? How do I change it? It's not super salty, but definitely detectable.

>>18456275
Urethra probing.

>>18456280
Does it still taste the same even after showering?

These threads have no sense of community and are generally pretty depressing but I keep coming back.

(not a dating problem, just a genereal question)

so is it a common behaviour? Can any femanon relate?

>meet grill via some chat
>she's 19
>start vanilla flirting
>she definitely likes me
>says I'm handsome
>says she wonders what I taste like
>sends me many photos (never nudes, but still photos of herself)
>shows me logs from chat with her friend, where she says I'm cool and sweet and handsome
>(time passes)
>she teases me saying she has somebody, evidently to check whather I'll get jealous

>when I finally say I can ride half a country and meet her in person, she tells me not to rise my hopes,

like, what? why would she flirt with me if she doesn't want to fuck?
girls, do you understand?

>>18456281
Haven't tried it right after showering/bathing, but it's definitely kinda salty a few hours after. I tried it again today, maybe about 18 hours after I last bathed (gross, I know, but I was curious), and it tasted just the same as I a couple of hours after I last washed up.

It's not bad, but I think it might be kind of weird.

>>18456298
A salty water taste is a lot better than how other people taste, trust me.

Chances are it's just sweat from throughout the day. Maybe have a shower and then try yourself after about an hour? It could just be sweat. If it's still like that, maybe try eating more fruit.

What do you do when a girl says she likes you more than as a friend but not as a boyfriend?

Question for anyone with a sexual attraction to the male gender:

Shaved head or balding?

I got this condition that's started to become a problem lately called hypothyroidism. What's it's done is cause my hair to fall out and not wanting to hang on to a sinking ship, I decide to shave it. I'm not losing it all thankfully, I still got he tuft at the crown, but anywhere else it falls out.

So what should I do? Grow it out in hopes of a comeback (keep in mind shower hair loss), or just shave it and try to make that work?

Two more questions: Glasses: yes or no? Thick eyebrows: yes or no?

>>18456437
become her friend?

>>18456439
Shaved.
No glasses.
No thick eyebrows since it draws attention to the shaven head.

>>18456437
FWB or the backup guy in my experience.

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Well I guess this question belongs here because i dont want to make a thread about it

are step sisters fair game? Srs question, any of you females messed around with your step brother?

I mean.... its not blood relation so...

Male asking female: What's the one thing that every man should avoid doing/trying during sex to have the best time? The one thing that they must do?

Second is humor/jokes/tickling or whatever to make you laugh a bad thing to do during intimacy or is that a plus? I know girls like guys that make them laugh, but can we make you laugh in the bedroom while business is happening?

>>18456453

How about a beard? Any tips there? Should I grow it out long and lumberjack thick, or keep it groomed and tight?

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>girl i know that i used to think has a crush on me invites me to things all the time
>show up
>she's ecstatic to see me and talks to me most of the night
>she gets a little drunk and kisses me
>says over and over how she wants to see me more often
>message her on other days
>maybe get one message back and then nothing
>weeks or months pass and i get invited to another party
>rinse and repeat

What's her end game here?

>>18456439
Shave it. Balding hair looks bad on everyone. Keeping it look like you're desperate and in denial. It's not coming back, dude. Being bald doesn't even look bad, either.

I like glasses a lot, but only if they frames match your face shape. I don't really like the horned rimmed glasses look, either. It looks gimmicky on most people now. Some can pull it off, though. I noticed a LOT of the guys I like wear glasses.

And I like reasonably thick brows. If they're unruly, pluck them or get them waxed professionally. The latter will cost more money, but you'll probably get better results because the stylist can match them to your face shape, as well.

Good luck. Sorry about the hypothyroidism. :-(

>>18456466
Fuck no. It's still creepy and still a moral no no.

>>18456472
No beard, that's even worse.

>>18456475
Oh, yeah, and your brows are mote likely to be even if you get them waxed. Hard to do on your own, starting out.

>>18456437
I'm a boy, so this should be taken with a kilogram of salt, but I think it means she trusts you a lot.

If you want me to get technical, you're probably in what Homer would call the sorta "pleasure stage" of friendship, above utility but below virtue.

Essentially she enjoys spending time with you and likes having someone she can just relax or have fun with, which is probably rare when most relationships with women are sorta taught to be led into romance.

In any case, DON'T get weird. Stay the course, be the friend you've been is my best advice. But I'm a boy so this post would prolly best be deleted.

>>18456466
Yeah, no, that's a no go. Maybe not biologically but definitely legally, gotta consider the social stigma bro.

>>18456466
Absolutely not. Even if your parents married when you were both adults.

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>>18456437
Depends on what you want and what you're comfortable with.

Not comfortable with being friends, want something more? Then move on. Don't let people try to force you into a friendship you don't really want. Otherwise I'd just go with the flow.

>>18456493
>Essentially she enjoys spending time with you and likes having someone she can just relax or have fun with, which is probably rare when most relationships with women are sorta taught to be led into romance.
Sometimes shit happens but 90% of the time it won't. Hanging around hoping she'll change her mind is pretty stupid.

>>18456475
>And I like reasonably thick brows
My eyebrows are permanently damaged or something because I would scratch at them when stressed out during E&M. I just have these little hitler stache looking nubs and they still haven't grown back after a few years, no idea what to do.

>>18456466
I don't get the other commenters.
I don't really have any step sisters, but I wouldn't bat an eye if my friend told me he fucks his'

>>18456466
Ew no.

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>>18456517
You're from a southern state aren't you?

>>18456523
from eastern europe

>>18456534
That makes sense then. How many toes do you have?

>>18456539
about 46 and a half.
what do you even want?

>>18456466
My step sis has been a side bitch for years. We went to school together and were fucking before our parents ever met.

>>18456553
>were fucking before our parents ever met.
doesn't count then

>>18456512
>>18456493

Well, I do want to be her friend, and is cool to hang out with, but I do want something more with her. It's like I can feel her keeping me just a little bit away from her, like we're not as close as we could be. She did tell my best friend that she liked me and we have been on a ton of dates before, so I thought it would work out eventually.

>>18456539
are you a creationist?

My girlfriend is angry at me but doesn't tell me why.

Is there a way to apologize for something I don't know about? It just never sound good in my head "Sorry for whatever I may have done" and other variations all sound like I don't give a fuck.

>>18456561
So if I fuck the other 2, they're grandfathered in as well right?

>>18456613
they are what?

>>18456596
These are the worst. Just act pissed off at her for not communicating and she'll come out with it.

>>18456615
Fair game as well

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Most if not all the girls I date/go out with enjoy being spanked or otherwise "punished". Which I'm fine doing, the only problem is when it comes to dirty talk I've got no fucking clue what to say/what's over the line.

Especially when it comes to why I'm punishing them. What kind of answer are girls expecting when asking why they're being spanked, because a generic "oh you've been bad" doesn't work and I don't think "because you enjoy it" would fit the mood.

>>18456620
I guess
I mean, no blood bonds mean no chance for horrible mutations caused by incest, which this is all about.
But apparently sjws itt think otherwise

I consider myself ugly and i'm self conscious about it and my girlfriend recently told me she loves me for my personality and who I am and not for my looks.

Is it wrong of me to feel bad? I haven't said anything I just seriously hope she doesn't consider me ugly

It got kinda awkward between me and this girl I like. We're pretty close and hang out - just the two of us. But now I think she's getting the idea that I like her and she's becoming slightly awkward.

What should I do? Do I just try to make a move? I feel like my sperging out has been leaking and I don't know how long I can hold my feelings back anymore. I don't think she's ready for this yet though.

I'm 5 months pregnant and my libido has gone through the roof. I'm horny all the time. This would be fine if my boyfriend's libido didn't disappear entirely. He can't keep it hard anymore and doesn't want to go down on me. I'm lucky if he'll finger me. It's so frustrating and I just wanted to vent, sorry.

>>18456666
Nice quads

>>18456666
since I noticed your satanic quads, I imagined you're that lawyer from Devil's Advocate asking about that redhead
and fuck, it mostly fits. So don't fuck her, she's really a rotting corpse

>>18456675
So, uh, masturbate? With toys if you prefer.

>>18456625
> when it comes to dirty talk I've got no fucking clue what to say/what's over the line
Generally speaking: Nothing much.

Though you can periodically ask if you could do something to turn 'em on even more. They'll probably also complain if you lay it on too thick when you give them that opportunity.

> I don't think "because you enjoy it" would fit the mood.
No, it usually does.

>>18456466
>are step sisters fair game?
No problem if you ask me. If you had fucked her before your parents got together it'd have been the same as is now.

>>18456627
> which this is all about.
Not really. It's about moralfaggotry and maybe some dynastic family control. Chances of mutation and hereditary diseases are bloody low anyhow.

If it was our decision to stop diseases, we wouldn't let people with ANY type of diseases procreate. Even just one parent having them already is worse than any possible recessive disease or whatever hiding somewhere.

>>18456706
no, no. I mean it from an evolutionary standpoint. We have severe blockades against incest because it increases the chance of mutations and lowers genetical diversity.

I don't know about the numbers, but I have an uncle, who married his 4th or 5th grade cousin. All three of their children have been born genetically retarded.

So moralfaggotry is just a thing we inherited from not liking to sleep with our relatives - just a stupid rationalisation of an inborn belief.

>>18456679
>>18456683
p...p-please answer my question guys

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>>18456268

kissless never had a gf virgin male here

>does size matter?
>is there any red flag if i tell a girl she is my first gf?
>is there a red flag if i tell a girl i'm a virgin?

honestly i dont even know what to ask you as i never went out with a girl before =(
i am the owner of a lonely heart

>>18456737
> We have severe blockades against incest because it increases the chance of mutations and lowers genetical diversity.
We only have a slight one. Same as with most mammals, it does usually not even take a handful of generations until they go for incest - even with choices of other partners.

Probably because it's actually a viable tactic. Occasionally reinforcing genes from your (hasn't died in some longer successful lineage) gene pool might not be useless.

The "strong" dislike is a social construct.

> I don't know about the numbers, but I have an uncle, who married his 4th or 5th grade cousin. All three of their children have been born genetically retarded.
There are unrelated couples where that happens too. We don't have to guess very much, genetically close breeding is a staple in animal husbandry / breeding. Mainly a problem if you just maximize attributes artificially for generations and generations.

If you have a more normal situation and maybe 1 out of five generations is incestuous (maybe what freely choosing humans might do in a "worse" than average case), nothing very noticeable will happen. Allowing families to FORCE their offspring into incest would, on the other hand, almost certainly be a bad idea.

>>18456750
nope.
your life, your decisions

Given the gift of recorded music and then the internet, how is it that there can't be more people and women especially that appreciate the arts: actual art and not whatever Kanye is selling?

>>18456766
>go to a store
>thousands of products in colorful, attractive wrappings
>also some in boring, unattractive wrapping
>of those boring some are of excellent quality
>but you need to learn which of those are, whilst taking the attractive ones comes with an impulse

you get it?
you need to acquire the taste and this needs some practice

>>18456758
I guess I can agree with that.
do you have any sources? Especially some actual articles/textbooks, not just wikipedia?

But I'm not eager to agree that our anti-incest blockade is weak. I know a lot of people who show very strong emotions regarding the subject. And if we stop talking siblings and start talking parents/children it gets much stronger.

>>18456285
bump

btw is it just me or are there indeed much less girls around since yesterday?

>>18456280
my gfs pussy is salty af I think it's normal

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>>18456268
I think casual sex is fucking disgusting, and it sometimes annoys me so much that my gf has had who knows how many flings and stuff before she met me, I know just before we started dating she was fucking a friend of hers, and it annoys me to no end.
The thing is she really likes me and to me it seems almost every college girl is like that, why does it bother me so much? How can I stop thinking about it? Am I being unreasonable? I think it has to do with my upbringing (conservative catholic family)

>>18456860
>almost every
To be honest every girl - except one - in my entire dorm isn't anything like that. Seems kind of rare, but the ones that are the easiest to date and get to know are the ones that you're most likely gonna get.

When I'm shagging my girl her cunt makes a bunch of unpleasant squelching noises. How can I make this stop? She's my first girlfriend and I don't want to break up over this, but if it continues this relationship will be difficult to maintain

>>18456877
That's what wet puss sounds like.

>>18456877
you win today's 'most autistic' reward

>>18456860
Look for another girl. Sluts aren't for everyone.

>>18456860
It's normal for girls to be like that but it's also normal to think the way you do. It has nothing to do with being a conservative.

What do you do when you fuck up your haircut and you're waiting for it to grow back.

>>18456896
Are you a girl?

As a guy it's really easy

>look at the mirror after it's finished
>it's fucked up
>"just give me the short haircut"

>>18456754
somebody please answer me!

>>18456754
Yes it matter, the smaller the worse
Don't tell people you've never had a relationship
Don't tell people you're a virgin

If a guy talks like a social retard to me does it mean he's into me or just a social retard?

>>18456754
size matters only in that you shouldn't be monstrously huge or well below average
absolutely positively never, ever, ever tell a girl she's your first gf if you're above the age of 18
obviously the same goes for your virginity

>>18456946
It can go both ways, obviously.

Note his behavior with the other women if there are any. If he's only acting this way towards you, chances are he likes you. If, however, he's just inept at talking to people, things get more tricky. Autism always does that to people.

The trick is if he orbits you and tries to make small-talk, he's into you. If he's not orbiting you, he's not.

This isn't a catch-all, though. Just remember that true autism means he'll be a mixed-patterns kind of guy. You'll never know what he'll truly think. Just follow my words as a baseline, not a true encyclopedia.

>>18456969
>>18456913

i'm [spoiler]7 inches[/spoiler] and porn has destroyed my self confidence on size

im pretty sure they can tell its my first date because i never done it before. i would not know what to do or say. getting a girl is like the driving test into being a man

>>18456995
>getting a girl is like the driving test into being a man
hahahaha, you're dumb, boi.
A driving test is easy to accomplish.

>>18457006
its not easy for someone who has never driven. i just used that as a example.

>yfw i hold a B-class license and drive professionally for access-a-ride carrier

>>18457018
They're not even comparable, cars don't check to make sure you're not fat, autistic, and a virgin, before you're even allowed to start them.

>>18456995
real life isn't porn and your dick size is probably fine for most girls
you shouldn't be acting a specific way on a date either. ideally you should just, LITERALLY, be your self.

treat it as an opportunity to do something fun, and enjoy yourself, and she is just a friend coming along. you do hang out with friends don't you?

>>18456995
Girls are dumb son, just play it cool and bee yourself

>>18456754
>does size mayter
As long as it isn't a micro penis it's fine.
As for the other 2,not really a problem unless you get really anal about it.

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I hate myself. I seek relationship where women would pity me. Everything is fucking fine until I get closer to women, I just want to spit fucking everything on them, my every piece of resentment, sadness, whatever, and want them to be my therapist. I lost a great woman because to that. It started so great and I FUCKED EVERYTHING UP.

What's wrong with me?

>>18457163
I fucking love the post that answer their own questions

>>18456280
It's not weird or unusual, where do you think the fishy puss meme came from

>>18457175
It doesn't taste fishy, though. Just like a salt water mouth rinse.

Guys: why do I almost exclusively attract guys who are in relationships or otherwise taken? I'm cute enough, but not super attractive or anything

>>18457208
because you eat too much of broccoli and have incorrect political views concerning Malta

>>18456995
>7 inches
>Porn destroyed my self confidence in my size
You either watch too much porn or look at the dick more than anything else

>>18457163
See it like this: would you tell a child what you tell a woman? If the answer is no then don't do it. Stop looking for a deeper connection with women, their minds aren't developed enough for that.

>>18457255
>See it like this: would you tell a child what you tell a woman? If the answer is no then don't do it.
So I can't talk about sex with a woman? I can't tell my GF how I want to fuck her?

>Stop looking for a deeper connection with women, their minds aren't developed enough for that
Oh, you're a robot. Go back to the lab, you need some more machine learning.

I probably shouldn't try online dating til I am employed again right?

>>18457255
>would you tell a child what you tell a woman?
what is wrong with you

>>18457263
Go back to
>>>/r9k/

>>18456285
bitches love attention

>>18457273
You quoted the wrong person. The robot is >>18457255

>>18457279
doesn't explain bragging to her friends about me
also, what is so wrong with fucking somebody for even more attention?

>>18457280
But so is >>18457263
He's an autistic virgin loser who takes everything literally.

>>18457029
How do you be yourself if the only attractive thing about you is your dick?

>>18457322
>How do you be yourself if the only attractive thing about you is your dick?
First, you work on your self-confidence
Then you're done

We break up and are poison to eachother while together even though we've tried everything to fix the relationship. I think it's her fault, she says it's mine so I guess its both of us.
We broke up couple of weeks ago for real, and I couldn't stop thinking about her, so I sent her a message where I apologized for being a dick and stuff. I did it so I could get some closure cause I regretted some stuff, but she wrote back that she misses me. It's bad for both of us being together, but it's impossible being apart. Please help.

How do I explain my gf that she really deserves better. Not that I don't love her or want to be with her, but that precisely beause of that I can't let her throw her life into the trash by sticking with me?

What does it take for a girl to love a guy and remain with him?
What kind of things would you be willing to put up with for your partner, like mental issues, self-esteem issues etc?

>>18457409
it's her life. you are not allowed to make decisions for her. If she have chosen you, so be it

>>18457415
>What kind of things would you be willing to put up with for your partner, like mental issues, self-esteem issues etc?
Very little, to be honest. I'm mentally stable, mentally healthy, and I have my shit together. I'd have to really like someone to put up with less than my equivalent.

>>18457416
Well the way I see it it's like she's willingly choosing to drink bleach and it's my duty to at least try to stop her from making a choice that'll definetely harm her. I guess I'll just break up with her and cut contact, there's no way this ends well.

>>18456754
>>does size matter?
>>>/bant/1187065

>>18457424
I fucking hate those niggerfaggots who think it's morally right for them to control somebody's life and stop them from suicides and alike

yes leave her. you are indeed nothing but cancer.

>>18457433
For myself, I'm going to go with intelligence, kindness, and stability. But it's hard to narrow it down to three.

>>18457409
Why don't you try bettering yourself instead, nothing will come from negativity, you'll hit a point and then realize you need to become sane and stable. Then you'll desperately pour yourself entirely into achieving it, better to do it before you hit that point.

You're really just trying to express love, or that you're not a bad person by doing that, but in a cowardly and negative way. Make a choice to be positive and leave yourself vulnerable anon, today or tomorrow you will HAVE to get yourself together, and become sane and stable and love and be loved, that's the only way this ends.

>>18457433
Warmth and trustworthiness, status and resources, and vitality and attractiveness. In that order IIRC.

>>18457409
if you really think she deserves better, improve yourself to become what she deserves.

>>18456877
porn isn't real life.

>>18456666
make a move. her being awkward could mean she's into you too.

>>18456473
she doesn't want to text, she wants the dick

Girls how would you feel if your bf proposed and then you found out he'd asked your dad for permission beforehand?

>>18457613
If she has a problem with it, revoke your proposal and never see her again. You don't need such a degenerate communist as a bride.

What are some of the more subtle red flags you have for us? It's obvious that 'lives with his mother' is a real no go, but what are the more subtle hints?

I.e. we tend to have a rule about eyebrows and constant laughter in the absence of a joke. (Some women i've met would explain something like a frustrating time trying to return something, and start laughing briefly but loudly at the infuriating part. For me, that's always been an clear warning sign they are not all together mentally.)

>>18457613
Not Good
It means you value opinion of her father too much

>>18457641
Wearing boxer briefs.

>>18457641
>For me, that's always been an clear warning sign they are not all together mentally
this kind of laughter is nervous and serves to decrease the tension. Not necesserily bad, but it's possible

>>18457613

Depends. I'd be fine with him asking if he wants, but I'd prefer he discussed it with me first. In my opinion at least marriage proposal isn't something that should be just dropped on a person, but the possibility of a marriage and everything a marriage contains should be talked through beforehand. During that discussion it would be a good idea to bring it up, if you want to ask permission from her father/parents. It would be awkward as hell if you ask for permission and then she says no, if it turns out there's inconsolable differences in your opinions/views on marriage.

>>18457641
I would date a guy who lives with his parents if he does it for a good reason (he is in college and doesn't want to go in huge debt, he's working but he wants to save some money, he's helping his parents out, etc) and if he didn't act like a spoiled kid and helped out at home.

Anyway:
>General misogynist comments ("all my exes were crazy", "you're not like other girls", etc)
>Rude to service people
>Asks super general questions and never follows them up
>Keeps the conversation going even if it is dead
>Gets attached too fast
>Uses pick up lines
>Takes pride at sucking at things (math, cooking, school...)
>Messy
>Unhygienic
>Inconsiderate with money

>>18457613
very patriarchal way of doing this.
in Asia, they'd like it, but europe hates it at this point, as it takes somegood amount of choice from the woman

>>18457643
Whuat?

>>18457613
I'd love it. I like traditional things.
I also told my parents to give my boyfriend my grandma's engagement ring because I want to wear it.

>>18457656
and for the record, what type of personality are you? how intelligent? any fetishes?

>>18457656
Super general questions? I thought women liked that stuff. The whole "getting to know" you stick.

>Start texting on fb with girl I made out with a couple of times years ago
>A message every other day
>Eventually give her my number since I don't have fb messenger
>Takes exactly one week to respond on phone
>I answer a day later
>She answers within minutes
>Text her the same day
>Takes exactly two weeks for her to respond

Now, I don't really care since I will be travelling abroad for about a year starting sunday and I won't answer regardless of the reason, but this behaviour seems just weird - it can't be pure coincidence, right? (also she did stuff like this when we were texting years ago)

>>18457664
It's pretty hard to describe my own personality or how intelligent I am.

I am very caring and attentive, domestic, reserved, fairly rational, responsible, honest and upfront, patient. Introverted. A bit melancholic. Sometimes mean (but most of the time in a joking manner), stubborn as hell, can be rather polemic.
I am more intelligent than average but not a genius. Last time my IQ was tested, it was 136 if you care.
I have a bunch of fetishes.

>>18457675
But I'm not getting to know anything. We're not making conversation. You're interviewing me and acquiring a lot of inconsequential information about me.
I prefer if we have an organic conversation and you seem interested in what I tell you, not if you ask me "what do I do for fun?" or "what music do I listen to?". It's a bit trite.

>>18457656
Holy fuck you're a bitch.

>>18457682
Kind of, yes.

>>18457681
any examples of good questions then?

>>18457681
Ah, that makes sense actually. So is it more the lack of continuation on the subject matter or how it's led in?

>>18457643
. . . I don't get this, is it sorta like how we see granny panties, where some fetishise it and everyone else sees it as cringe worthy?

>>18457685
Clearly depends on the context, there is no routine to follow in this kind of things.
In general, pay attention to what she says and follow up with comments/further questions. Make it a conversation, not an interview. Share something about yourself. Try to build a personal connection.

This is an example from a chat I had a few days ago on online ating:
>Him: Hello.
>Hey! How are you?
>Him: Pretty good, thanks. What's on your mind?
>I quit smoking recently, so all I can think of is that I want a cigarette.
>Him: Why did you quit smoking?
>Because I hate being hypocritical. I keep telling people to quit smoking, exercise and eat healthy and I don't want to do it while being flabby and smelling of cigarettes. So I quit smoking and I started working out every other day.
>Him: I like your integrity. It is noble to be real with people and not full of shit. What do you do?
Later he asked me about what kind of sports I do, we chatted about fitness, he told me stories about when he played sports in college, we found out we're both fans of the same team and we decided to go out, have a beer and watch a match in a pub.

I loved that he paid attention to what I said, that he asked me questions to actually get to know me, that he complimented me on my achievements and my personality instead of calling me "cute" like all other guys do, that he tried to build a connection by sharing things about himself that were relevant to the conversation.

>>18457691
>So is it more the lack of continuation on the subject matter or how it's led in?
The lack of continuation is especially annoying.

Especially through online dating I go through the first phase of chatting a lot and if you don't stand out in any way, if you don't engage me in the conversation and keep asking me generic questions it gets boring quickly.

To guys

I messaged a guy and he replied with a oneliner after like 12 hours and then I messaged him back and he didn't answer at all but I know he was active on fb and twitter. Does he want me to stop getting in touch?

>>18457719
Nah, just wait.

Maybe you aren't his first priority, but even that means not much with how much shit you gotta deal with occasionally as adult.

>>18457717
yeah, I mostly get it. I simply often lack some good question that could open me opportunities for some deeper levels of conversation

>>18457719
way too little info to proceed with your question

>>18457719
He probably realized you're gay.

>>18457719
Depends. Do you know the guy? If yes, how well? Is he generally less responsive in social media? Is he a busy person?

Generally: Try not interpreting things like this. There could be a million reasons why someone doesn't reply and they really don't matter all that much. Fact is, they don't answer. Appropriate response if you don't know them well: Go along with your life. Maybe they'll answer after all, maybe they will not. Should not be something that bothers you.

>>18457725
What info is needed ?

>>18457729
We used to be friends but now idk

>>18457732
>What info is needed ?
exact topic of conversations, how well you know each other, how autistic or introverted and busy he is...
your answers as well, as he might think that *you* are uninterested...

>>18457732
Then wait a couple of days. If it bothers you simply ask him. Not as an accusation and do not come off as offended. Just ask out of simple curiosity.

>>18457735
I messaged him to vent and then sent him a link to a funny article.We know each other good and are kinda loose friends.He is busy but still posts on fb, twitter,ect. I think he is autistic like some shy boys are...My answers were long lol. I always talk a lot

>>18457743
it's not untypical at all to not comment on some funny thing somebody sends you. Especially if you don't really enjoy it.
He might have also forgotten to ever check it out because he was busy at that moment.

if he's autistic, he doesn't really know how to comfort you, so has little to say after you vent.

don't overthink it, really. Just get him involved in an actual conversation on topics he likes and knows abput

>>18457769
>He might have also forgotten to ever check it out because he was busy at that moment.
Most likely this. Maybe he even knows that he forgot, now feels bad about it and drags the answer even further because of this bad feeling. Just speculating ofc, but not responding to articles happens all the time, because people forget to read them.

Girl I was dating was near perfect, except she had serious trust issues, after a date and about 2 months of talking to each other she wouldn't even tell me her dog's name after showing me a picture of him, she'd either avoid the question or just tell me not to get too curious, I said fuck it and stuck with her because I liked her. She wanted to know me better than I'd have known her and that wasn't really for me, since it was the first girl I was dating. It was also a ldr, well, a 'relationship' is what I thought it was since we dated and all that but first she said she's just bored and thats why we met, but then she said she might be into it but she thinks I might not even like her which was a silly thing for her to say, then she said she's too young for a relationship and wants to have fun, so I kept getting mixed signals and didn't know what we were doing, she wouldn't tell me either, like I said, trust issues. The uncertainties fueled my insecurities and I felt shittier more than I felt happy talking with her. I have a feeling like she'd take about 6-9 months just getting to know me so it was a huge commitment for me which I wasn't sure if I wanted for a first relationship. I'd be moving out soon too which would increase the distance to the point where we'd only see each other once a month or so, and then she wouldn't be able to see me since for complicated reasons that I won't be bother explaining, public transport just won't allow, it will allow just ME however which I don't think would work that well. I think we'd break this thing off anyway sooner or later and it would really fuck up my chances meeting someone local in college (the reason I'm moving out) so we decided its for the best to break up now and not waste time.

Did we do the right thing? I felt like I went in too deep, too soon with a relationship like that, it being my first one ever since I'm a beta...
Or did I fuck up and I should've just stuck with her and hope the distance won't ruin anything?

>>18457784
>>18457769
>>18457737
Could it be that he just hates me???I worry that he hates me and now I want to ask him that

>>18457794
You are crazy. Leave the poor guy alone.

>>18457794
yes, you are crazy
he has no reason to hate you. Would you hate somebody because they snet you a funny article?

>>18457794
Hate? No, you'd probably know if that was the case. Most will just tell you to fuck off explicitly.

He is just busy or something, at worst indifferent towards you.

Why the fuck are you so urgently worried anyhow about this past friend of yours that you can't wait for a 2-3 days?

>>18457794
Ask him, reminding him that you're crazy. I'd prefer an "I'm crazy and I think you hate me" than a month of avoidance.

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>>18456268
Is there even a point in trying to date or attract woman if you are a submissive male, It seems like my personality trait is universally disliked among woman.

>>18457812
There are some women who will like it, yes.
Then depends on how "submissive" you are. It's hard to respect someone who doesn't respect themselves.

>>18457797
>>18457803
>>18457811
I'm not crazy just very self conscious. I know it makes me look crazy.I mostly worry that he doesn't want to talk to me but wont just say so and ignores me instead.. my other friend did that to me. She stopped replying or was giving short answers and I didn't understand why. So with this friend I feel unsure too..

>>18457829
this is just what crazy means: 'acting strange in response to completely norma behaviour of the others'
stop it, go and talk to him about normal stuff.

>>18457829
You should be locked away somewhere. The way you type already gives off the 'crazy' vibe.

>>18457812
> universally disliked
No. Most dislike it, but not all.

The problem beyond that is if you want *her* to be dominant rather than just not care about you being submissive in personality.
There aren't too many females that want to be completely lifestyle or bedroom dominant.

>>18457812
Nothing is universal. Yes your dating pool is smaller, but there are still plenty of dom women out there. Just be careful, because I see it a lot more in those rare dom women than I do the average dom men that these women can be borderline abusive at times.

I have 2 friends, sisters so it must run in the family or something, who are very dominant ladies. The one has this long term boyfriend she's been with since she was 14, he's a very submissive goofy insecure type guy. I swear it bothers me sometimes being out with the 2 of them, I love my friend and all but she's got him really whipped. I've stepped in on their arguments sometimes because it made me feel so uncomfortable the way she'd explode on him for something rather insignificant, and he'd never defend himself. He claims he's cool though, and told me that he just doesn't want to cause a scene in public or among friends and that's why he doesn't say anything when I'm around, but later on or if it's just them he claims he does defend himself. Idk if that's true or not, but so long as he says he's fine I don't meddle too much in their affairs, but it's scary.
Her sister was the same way with her ex, who was a submissive little thing. She'd lead him around on a tight leash. She got with a dude that's more dominant later and at least they'll go toe to toe with one another.

Anyway, moral of the story
>TL;DR
Yes, you'll find a dom girl, just be careful and take care of yourself, don't let yourself get abused.

>>18457835
I'll just stop msgging him for now. Maybe I'll talk with him later..

>>18457836
I type fast because I'm in hurry.Doesn't mean a thing.

>>18456285
Uhhh. I think she's just baiting you for attention. Especially with those last two statements. I doubt she wants to fuck or date.

>>18457849
> but there are still plenty of dom women out there
Not easily. If you want lifestyle / sexually dominant women, you will generally be confronted with a severe "shortage".

And there are also way too many shitty baiting prostitutes trying to substitute for all the missing partners a lot of men are looking for.

>>18457850
I'm pretty sure the other anon wasn't commenting your speed/typos, but rather the word usage and general impression of the content you bring.

As for not messaging him - that's the opposite of what you should do. Do it as soon as you desire it. Just make sure he has somme spare time at that moment

>>18457415
I am not incredibly picky desu. Granted I have aspies, so I am sympathetic of mental issues. And my self-esteem is shit. As long as the world isn't doom and gloom and your life isn't a vortex of pain and suffering... Eh.

>>18457641
Ah idk, I never really come across subtle flags. Except maybe too eager, especially if we met online. Like I met a dude once online and found out he lived a few states over, far enough to be a bitch and a decent expense to go see one another. It was like, 1 week into talking that he was talking about buying a plane ticket to see me. That just kinda rubbed me the wrong way for whatever reason, thought it was way too soon to drop that kind of money on me.
I feel similarly when dudes try and take me out on expensive first dates and refuse to go dutch with me. Spending a lot of money on someone you barely know to me is is possible flag that they're trying to make me feel indebted to them or something so I'll bang them. It's probably just paranoia, but idk I feel weird about practical strangers spending more than just the price of coffee or a movie ticket on me without me buying anything for them in return.

A more personal subtle red flag is smokers of anything, tobacco or weed, but that's not a moral thing it's just that I physically cannot be around smoke (even fire smoke) without my lungs shriveling up and dying in a coughing fit. If they come smelling of smoke, I'll know it's not gonna work out.

>>18457613
My dad is kind of an asshole, and I am not accustomed to traditional junk, so I would find it awkward. Otherwise indifferent.

>>18457858
yeah I just want to understand it.
I mean, could you say flirty and pretty sexual stuff to the guy you're completely not interested in?
And just to get his attention, even though your social life actually exists?

>>18457860
Why should I message him when I want when he won't respond?? I have no idea when he has spare time.I mean he was retwetting shit and liking stuff on fb so he couldn't be too busy to answer...
I don't want to lose another friend for being chatty.

>>18457613
I jokingly told my dad
"Dad, if a guy ever comes to you legitimately asking your permission to marry me, do me a favor and say no because I don't want a guy who thinks you actually have a say in who I marry lol"

Now, in reality I know it's just a tradition from the old days, so I don't actually have that strong of feelings about it. But I'd prefer if he were gonna do anything like that, it'd be less of a "I asked your dad for permission to own you" and more of a "I asked your family to welcome me in and accept me as their son" kind of deal.

In the end though, again, if he asked for my hand in marriage from my dad just as a formality thing, so long as he actually knew no matter what my dad says the decision is up to me, I am my own person. Which I think 99% of guys who do formally ask fathers for their daughters do know lol.

>no matter what my dad says the decision is up to me, I am my own person
This is why society is shit.

>>18457656
Femanon. -- A lot of those are pretty accurate actually. Especially some of the social junk. I have a little bit more room for sympathy I guess.

>>18457869
you don't lose friend for being chatty.
there are other reasons theywon't tell you about. Maybe you just liked thigs she didn't or something. Or maybe she was antisocial.

And stop sperging out for the love of gods. You have a problem, cause a guy never responded to a single, unimportant message. Just send him another one. it's not creepy if you send up to three before he responds.
But now ask about something he can actually tell you something about
'hey anon, how do you feel?'
'are you that busy, or can we maybe meet this week?'
'can you recommend me some book/movie?'

>>18457878
So you're not your own person?

>>18457859
I said your pool is smaller, yes, but not nonexistent. If you want something that's the minority, then yes you're gonna struggle. I don't want kids, and even though there is more of a pool for that kind of thing these days than there has been in the past, it's still the minority of people who don't want kids. My dating pool is smaller than someone who does want kids, so I know I gotta deal with that. I still get out there and look though.
If you aren't willing to even look or try, then no, you will never find a girl and will die alone.

>>18457886
Don't give obvious trolls the (You)'s lol.

>To girls
I've acne on my back, can't seem to heal it for some reason... I've a lot of scars too on my shoulders. The acne is what bothers me tho, I just have red spots quite far spaced out but all over my back...

Would that be a huge turn of for sex? it worries me a lot. I tried medication but it won't work and I don't think I want to take it again as its a very long process and affects you mentally a lot.

>>18457886
Yeah, society sure has benefited from women making the decisions.

>>18457676
Might be. I think that's a bit dramatic personally, but I do know a lot of people get nervous about "texting too soon" for whatever reason and try to gauge their partners speed and match it. So they don't look too eager but also don't wait too long and look indifferent.
Weeks is a bit much to me, usually when I'm doing that shit it's more in terms of hours. So thats what makes me think its more coincidental.

Why do you decide to dump us men months before actually doing it?
Why do you have to act like you love us when you are actually already planning your exit instead of letting us know so we can try to fix what's wrong?
And no, it's not just me. Been like this for a lot of my friends.

>>18457898
it's a classic case of not reading the fucking sticky on your part.
because it's not a gendered thing

I'm a guy and I knew exactly I'd leave the last girl I was with, like 5 months before I actually did
there was a couple of reasons, but the most important one was that I knew for certain I wouldn't be able to find anybody else for her place and would fall deep into depression, as the winter was coming.

>>18457895
To be fair, Men making decisions didn't always help either

It's as if gender doesn't matter in how someone behave, but it's a weird idea right? XDDD

>>18457894
Personally yeah, it's kind of gross. Buuuut. Not a deal breaker. Especially since I've had the same kind of issue in the past and know how that shit goes.

>>18457898
I know what you mean. I've regrettably done it before. A couple times, in my case... I haven't done it for a few years, I was a teenager at the time. The simple answer: Fear of hurting the other person.

I used to jump into relationships with people partially by accident. I've always enjoyed comforting people who are going through rough times, but when I was younger I couldn't really separate platonic closeness with men and a relationship. I can only speak for myself on this latter bit, but the former bit is a very common reason.

>>18457915
>Especially since I've had the same kind of issue in the past
how did you beat it?

>>18457887
The pool is *very* small because of aforementioned overall imbalance in numbers.

Not saying you have great options other than to woo women who clearly announced already they want a dominant role, or try to get into the crapshoot of trying to find one IRL at random who maybe doesn't even know yet she did. Just warning it won't necessarily be easy at all. Might take a lot of looking and trying.

>>18457918
First of all set boundaries... Also a lot less sociable as I get older, more introverted, hard to make friends in the first place. I have a bit of a phobia towards making new friends now, because I notice guys tend to get really attached to me when I am trying to help them through a rough patch, so I've just... avoided being helpful. Probably not the healthiest solution, lol. Also back with a guy I did it twice to. No intentions of doing it again. *Shrug* Not really a matter of beating I guess. I just don't care as much anymore.

It just used to happen so easily because I always gravitated towards people who were suffering in some way. I like to help people, and I was really good at it. At one time I had thought to become a psychiatrist. Now I am just a NEET, heh.

Sorry if this comes out jumbled. Been awake far too long, and trying to organize a paragraph I can't see in this tiny fucking box is hard.

>>18457911
It did though since fathers knew who was right for their daughter. Look at all the broken families nowadays, all because of sexual revolution.

>>18457894
Kind of depends, those rash looking little bumps are a different story from big zits with white heads etc.

But either way it's not something I care about a lot. No one is flawless and I'm not going to be staring at your back during sex. Just because not every part of you is objectively attractive when isolated doesn't mean that you aren't attractive as a whole. Far from it.

Scarring from acne is a complete non-issue, unless it is both very severe and in your face.

>>18457897
>Weeks is a bit much to me, usually when I'm doing that shit it's more in terms of hours.
Definitely. If I'm doing it deliberately it'll be within the hours range. But exactly 7 and exactly 14 days seems a bit weird (while having a 2min reponse inbetween). Also, as I said, she did stuff like this even years back. So uch I could practically preditct how long it would take her to answer.
Idk, maybe just a weird girl. Made me wonder nonetheless because I haven't seen someone else behave like this at all.

>>18457935
>>18457918
FFFFFFFS I am tired. Hold on. I misread. DESU it just kind of cleared up on it's own. I mean. Kind of? Exercise helped me believe it or not, if I get too sedentary/lazy as I am wont to get, I start breaking out. Start hiking, walking my dog, hunting rocks a lot? Problem fixed.

It really depends on what's causing your acne. Mine was probably clogged glands.

How long does it take you to develop a crush on a girl?

>>18457939
its the first kind, they just never seem to go away. Scarring I managed to get rid of partially and it doesn't really seem like much on my face, its the back I'm worried about since its not something you see often, having clothes on most of the time and all. I just don't want to appear attractive initially and when it comes to it, discourage the girl or make her regret she ever wanted to go this far with me

>>18457911
>but it's a weird idea right? XDDD
Yes, it is a very weird idea, your gender pretty much dictates your behavioural motivations.

>>18457960
Planing a kiss is never romantic and always cringy. You kiss when you BOTH feel like it, not at what moment you plan on doing it. Stop being so autistic and uptight.

>>18457947
I see
yeah, I already heard of that solution and it seems right.
thanks

>>18457898
Timing is tough. One guy I was with threatened to off himself if I left him, so I stayed for several more months.
Another time I delayed for a few weeks during exams, and once for a couple of months bc his grandfather was dying.

>>18457960
Nope nope nope nope. Cringy as hell. Re-evaluate.

>>18457641
Agree with some that are mentioned, particularly derogatory comments about women or service people. I hate it when men feel completely at ease with hateful comments about random women's weight, looks etc. You'd say this isn't a subtle one but it's surprisingly common to do.
Other than that;

>when he is never in the wrong when laying out a conflict with others, or even when reflecting on his younger self
>feeling like they have the right to decide whether other people's stances are valid - for example, thinking doing blatantly disrespectful things like going out of their way to cuss in front of conservative christians is funny because they're wrong to find important what they find important - basically, lack of empathy for anything they cannot literally relate to their own views
>wanting to "win" social situations and getting competitive over weird minor things
>not being able to accept a compliment gracefully, "self-depricating" jokes that are thinly veiled self-hatred
>small hints of not having your back or viewing you as a team, eg walking away instantly when there is a minor embarrassing situations that he can walk away from and you can't, throwing you under the bus as an excuse if he doesn't want to hang out with his friends

Probably more but some of the first things I think of.

>>18457960
Please don't do either of these, ever.

>>18457962
I understand what you mean but trust me, she will also have parts that she is a bit worried about, including stuff you would never even consider could be a source of insecurity.

For what it's worth, if I like a man enough to want to literally give him entrance into myself, I am not going to give any fucks at all about this stuff. Yeah I can't see it right away but it's not like I expect every invisible bodypart to be perfect. That's not what attracts me to anyone, lack of flaws: their appealing qualities are. I would ten times sooner be turned off by the way a man treats me during or leading up to sex than a bodypart he reveals.

>>18457927
I wasn't claiming it would be easy. I was just saying its not impossible.
Thats what "Your pool is small, but not nonexistent" means.

>>18457960
This is cutesy stuff when you are dating and already fawning over each other. It is not just awkward in any other scenario where you aren't dating than the one where she is secretly also madly in love with you (and perhaps even then slightly uncomfortable), but what's more, if she doesn't want to kiss you then tough shit it already happened. I know movies etc play a big part in this but most people do not appreciate this in real life.

That's not to say you should ask for consent or whatever (absolutely don't) but in a regular situation there's long unwavering eye contact, sitting so close you touch, sweet nothings, blushing, smiling like crazy, whatever. You can worldessly tell the kiss is going to happen and if you lean in she still has a choice. Not so much if you literally spring it on her out of nowhere.

>>18457641
Actually only around 10-15% of the average person's laughter is in response to actually humorous stimuli.

>subtle red flags
Not looking engaged when I talk, not asking anything about me.
Politics that don't differ at all from his parents'
Bad taste in tv.

>>18457972
you seem like a reasonable person
I have fallen in love with you, please marry me and bear me 5 children

seriously though, you're cool

If you married someone with a different mother tongue, would you learn their language?
State gender please.

>>18457986
Thanks man, it's a continuous project but I do try to be cool :)

>>18457990
Absolutely, I would be more than happy to have that kind of motivation and practice opportunity to learn another language. And no better way to impress that family in law.

>>18457994
>So I need to know exactly how and just execute the plan when the moment comes.
No, no, no. You need to become courageous, spontaneous and comfortable enough to do it right in that moment. Work on this, don't try bypassing your flaws/weaknesses.

>>18457994
I am probably biased because I hate when people sing to me. It's cool and all when it's just casual. Soon as it is directed AT me though... fight or flight engaged. This probably just makes me an asshole though.

Socially inept.
>>18457990
Depends on how important is. And how much interest I have in the language. If I am going to be spending a lot of time with said person's family, and they primarily use that language. Then yes, of course I will learn it.

Femanon

>>18457994
nigga, repeat after me:
girls
are
people
just
like
me
and they don't want anything done to their bodies, unless they are in the right mood to do it
kssing them out of the blue if absolutely wrong, as it means you treat them like objects that serve purpose in making only your life better.
you can do it only if she's already your gf. ANd even then it's not always an option

got it?

>>18457990
Male
Most freaking definitely. I've seen before that learning the mother tongue of your partner can be an exciting and fun experience. You connect more, it shows you care and want to commit and it's funny for most people to see someone try and learn their mother tongue, so watching someone you know and love be silly trying something you know so well is definitely entertaining.
However, if your partner is the kind that would only be annoyed by you trying to speak their language, then don't.

Is it illegal to purchase used shoes off of craigslist in any way? Like is posting an add for used shoes and specifically wanting them to be used/well worn illegal in any sense?

>>18457500
Interesting. Does this really happen in real life? I just might give it a shot.

>>18457990
Female, yes of course. I would expect them to learn mine too.
I would even low key expect my parents to make an effort to learn their language too, though I wouldn't expect them to be fluent or anything. Know enough to get the gyst of most conversations should they be held in that language.

If we had kids I would also raise them to be bilingual, if only just because I think that's an important skill they can utilize later in life. I've always been envious of my bilingual friends, because they were given this skill from birth that they can always fall back on if needed.
Like my friend was having trouble finding a job right out of college so she did translation work to pay the bills until she got a job in her field. Meanwhile my version of that is doing slave wage at mcfats because I have no other skills than what's in my field.

>>18457994
>Why?
Just wait for a natural lull in conversation then do triangular gazing. I.e. Look between her eyes and mouth.

>>18457911
>It's as if gender doesn't matter in how someone behave, but it's a weird idea right? XDDD
Except it absolutely does. This is a good example of how feminists often go off the deep end, they go from arguing about equal rights to pretending biology isn't a thing. I mean, the left insists on defending trannies because of some brainscan that suggests they have a womans brain for instance but then they'll spew this crap in the same breath.

At least the TERFs are a bit more consistent with their viewpoints.

>>18457990
Male
Probably not. Any language I would learn would have more to do with my career. I've never really been fond of dating women from other cultures because I don't like dealing with the baggage it comes with.

>>18458011
No, but if you knowingly buy stolen merchandise you might have problems. But worse case is if cops find out you have stolen shoes, then the cops can just take it from you and it'll be on you to track down and sue the dude you bought them from to get any money back. Which is stupidly impossible and expensive so worst case, cops say your shoes are stolen, take them from you, you're fucked out of whatever you spent on them.

Now what weird fetish do you have that would make you even ask?

When is the right time into a relationship for the following milestones?:
>being bf/gf
>saying I love you
>meeting the family
>first fight
>moving in together
>getting engaged

>>18457976
Thanks! thats very comforting

>>18458034
Foot fetish, i like stinky feet, mh cool. I didn't know if me having a fetish for that and buying thr used shoes could be wrong/illegal in a way, thanks!

>>18457990
Female.
Yes, definitely.
My boyfriend is learning mine to talk to my family and it is probably the most romantic gesture someone ever done for me. When he tried to talk to my grandma I was sincerely moved.

>>18458040
I think its different for everyone.
My friend's current gf met him and the first thing they did was have sex. They didn't even date or anything, that came after. She met his family and moved in with him within a month. So it depends like I said, but at the same time I don't think their relationship will last for long because of how quick it developed. If you take your time I think you'll 'feel' when the right time is. There is no perfect answer, it also depends on what kind of girl you'd be meeting, some have sex on 2nd date, some wait almost a year until they get to know you. Some will only move in with you after marriage, some will move in withing weeks

>>18458040
Real answer:
All of them
>Whenever it feels right


Me personally, generalizing on average:
>Bf/gf
Anywhere between 3-8 months of serious/frequent interaction.
>I love you
I never paid attention, this one really is just whenever it's right. Usually after a few months of serious dating.
>Meeting family
I don't put that much stock in meeting family. I've never "formally" met a family. It was usually just like "Oh come in a sec, I need to get something then we can go." "Oh hi anon's dad I'm femanon how are you?" that kind of thing
>First fight
lol fights can happen any time, I let most things go so this can take forever to have a serious fight.
>moving in
I'd say a year or more of formal dating. This would be a move I'd only do if I was somewhat certain I'd marry this dude. Unless there was some other weird circumstance.
>Engaged
between 1.5-3 years of formal dating.


Now the real question is which comes first? Farting in front of your partner, or the first "I love you"?

>>18458040
>being bf/gf
1 week
>saying I love you
1 month
>meeting the family
3-9 months
>first fight
Any time
>moving in together
2-5 years
>getting engaged
2-6 years

But it's all age dependent. The older you are the shorter the "milestone" time will be. I'm still in college and in an almost 4 year relationship, we're not engaged yet nor do we live together. I assume someone 30+ yo would have already settled down.


>>18457990
Male. Depends on the language, but I'd try to learn the meaning of words and a few basic sentences.

>>18458043
Nah, just be careful in general buying off craigslist and places like that, because again, thieves will use those places to sell their shit.
You'll be fine though if you're not buying like, designer shoes or something.
Also if its fetish material, you might as well be honest about it or something. I'm sure there are sites for this, buying stinky fetish shoes. There are sites for stinky panties, I'm sure there's stinky shoes.
At least then you'll guarantee what you want. Most people who are selling used shoes for normal use will do everything in their power to clean them up and make them NOT stink, because the average non kinky buyer isn't going to want smelly shoes.

>>18458048
> the first thing they did was have sex. They didn't even date or anything,
Thats how all millennial dating goes these days. You don't date someone until you at least get oral.

>>18458040
> It depends
> It depends
> It depends
> It depends
> It depends
> It depends

... All these things are COMPLETELY dependent upon your particular experience. Some people are going to move things along super fast and others are going to move it slow. Literally no way for us to make a legitimate estimate on those except for personal preference. And even then, personal preference can change person-person.

Personally? Takes me months to ease into a relationship. I love you/dating may come a year after meeting. Family? Who knows. I will probably meet them first because I generally start as a friend. First fight?.... Why would you even ask that lol. Moving in? Eh, whenever it's affordable and if there is enough trust. Engagement? I am not religious, so I am not really sure what marriage has to offer me. I can be committed without a shiny gem as proof. Legal benefits could be worth it though. Even then, keep it efficient.

>>18458040
Female.

I think it really depends on the person and on the relationship.

Personally
>being bf/gf
After at least a couple of months you know each other and a couple of weeks of dating.
>saying I love you
6+ months of dating
>meeting the family
Whenever. It never happened formally for me.
I met my boyfriend's mom on our first date.
>first fight
Whenever.
>moving in together
1.5+ years of dating
>getting engaged
2+ years of living together

Will anal ruin your asshole?

>>18458077
Kinda. Especially if you do it improperly.

>>18458077
It certainly can. If you're careful though and its used sparingly you likely won't have any issue.

And this is coming from someone who is 100% whole heartedly against ever doing anal. Even I'm not gonna pretend if you do butt stuff once you'll have a gaping prolapsed anus. Just research it and make sure you're doing it as safely as possible.

any tips on having sex underwater?
my experience is that after a few strokes all the pussyjuice gets carried out of vagina,disallowing further sex
do you know ways to avoid it?

>>18458095
I think it would still be possible, just not especially (physically) pleasant compared to squishy sex. Even if her fluids are gone, if she's properly aroused her vagina will still be wider etc than in the normal state so it's not like it will be like shoving a tampon up there.

There's no way to avoid this happening really. It's even an issue with shower sex, let alone literally bathing in water.

>>18457990
Female.

I would, but partially because language learning is my greatest hobby and it's super easy for me.

>>18457990
male
absolutely

>>18458095
maybe it works better with a condom on, I imagine the lube on a condom won't get carried off so fast.

>>18458095
Figure out how dolphins do it.

Still no reply..

To women: what do you get out of a relationship that you can't get out of a FWB situation?

Girls: Weird question but do you feel the guy's dick if he hugs you tight? Just asking this out of curiosity.

Also how important are hugs? There's this girl I like and I really squeeze her tight when I hug her. She acts or says something like "wow" like I'm really squeezing her too much (I can't tell that I do though, she's mega skinny) but I guess she's okay with it since she's always the one who starts the hug.

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This has nothing to do with anything i'm just curious
If you got cancer and your last wish was to make some friends before you died would you tell them you had cancer or would you hide it

>>18458137
Emotional intimacy, safety, love, a life partner, someone to go to weddings with.

>>18458137
Security and companionship.
Most my fwbs kick me out of bed when we're done.

>>18457990
Female. Yes, but I love learning languages already!

>>18458102
yeah, once we used kitchen oil, it became easily possible. But I would like to know a way to do it in the sea/lakes/etc. where I probably won't have any oil to help me.

>>18458110
if I have to use a condom, I'm involving in the intercourse solely for pleasing the girl. I get nothing out of it and am better off masturbating

>>18458117
interesting point you made, sir
very interesting

>>18458139
>Weird question but do you feel the guy's dick if he hugs you tight?
Yes. And I love it.

>>18458139
If he's got a rager, maybe, but not usually. Granted, I'm rather short and the dudes I'm with tend to be taller, so our bodies line up in a way where I'm not really mashed against him at the pelvis.

She's probably just commenting on how she can really feel the emotion behind the hug. When I get hugged tight like that, I'm not feeling a physical sensation, I'm feeling "Wow, he really cares about me"

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>>18458147
> sea/lakes/etc
How do you do this without getting some horrific yeast/vaginal infection is what I wanna know. That shit just sounds unsanitary.

>>18457790
anyone? I just need some opinions because I don't know what to make of it myself, being new to all this, its always on my mind thinking I fucked up what could've been my first relationship

>>18458153
Um, and how do you just swim in a lake without getting them?
it's almost the same.
remember that water isn't full of std's, as they can only live in mammal organisms

>>18458157
There isn't water being shoved up the vaginal canal by a dick just swimming around normally.

>>18458137
Of course some things have been mentioned, most notably love, but there's a level of comfort and intimacy in relationships that is at least extremely hard to achieve in other bonds.

There's something weirdly touching and special about someone licking bodily fluids off your body, seeing all your flaws, hearing you make weird noises and moan about your weirdest fantasies in the heat of the moment and in general act like rabid animals together - only to have that same man gently tease you about something trivial later, or snicker together over some childish bit of humor, or pick up something for the store just because he though you might appreciate it. That combination of wild passion and mellow, steady comradery.

There's also a certain ease of a relationship that's that deep. A being together without expectations. Enjoying being together even without any interaction. A really deep level of comfort.

Basically human relationships are more than the sum of parts. You can have wild sex with your FWB and emotional intimacy with a friend, but having the two combined means that they both give depth and another perspective to the other part.

It's also getting to know someone so well, having a witness in life, someone to share all the kinds of things with that usually never come up because you just don't spend enough time together to reach a layer where you are not informing them of anything or trying to entertain them but just literally sharing what the world looks like to you, what stands out to you, what doubts plague you sometimes, whatever relevant. And knowing that this person who invests so much of his life in you has seen everything of you and still thinks you are grand and vice versa.

>>18458157
>>18458160
And I wasn't talking about stds, I'm talking about infections vaginas are prone to getting without anything to do with sex. Wearing too tight panties can give you an infection. Yeast infections are not stds.

>>18458139
Sounds like she is just responding to your enthusiasm during the hug.

In my experience crotch to crotch hugging (as opposed to standing very close but only really pressing upper bodies into each other so to speak) is in general something for either extremely close friends or (about to be) lovers. I do not feel the man's dick unless he gets hard from it.

>>18458137
Romance, longevity, security. Someone to confide in. I can't see myself fully trusting someone I am just screwing for fun.
>>18458139
Not that I can remember. Can't answer the latter because I am allergic to physical contact with people who aren't my s.o.

>>18458154
Absolutely. It doesn't sound like you guys had much to start with. Nor does it sound like there was any benefit to the situation. *Shrug*

>>18458160
and there isn't much water being showed up during sex either.`

well, none of the girls I ever attempted it had any problems with it, so there's that. None of them ever got any infection, though admittedly we tried it but a couple of times

maybe you're right, but I think it's a bit paranoid of you

>>18458147
Practice in a bath tub or bubble bath (get a hotel room if you don't have one) seeing if it is even possible to apply lube and have it more or less remain there. I doubt it is. If it is, just bring a discreet alcholics' bottle with you when hiking, seems worth it. But I think anything would be washed away easily.

>>18458180
as I already said, consumable oil worked just fine.

>>18458183
You mean under water as well? I was assuming for regular shower sex. Because if that works I don't really see the problem. Even if there were another trick I doubt it is easier than this, there's no magic way to trap her vaginal fluids inside.

>>18458177
Idk, I just know douching is terrible for you, and that's packaged "clean" water. I can't imagine getting pond scum and fish shit up my cooch being a good idea. But maybe your girls have powerful pussies idk.

I mean, I'll never do it anyway just because thats not my thing, so it's not really paranoia, I was just genuinely asking because it sounds incredibly unsanitary to get dirty water squirted up the vagoo.

>>18458153
>>18458157
It isn't sanitary in general to have sex in water. Changes the PH levels in the vagina. Water is very base, while the vagina is very acidic. At the very least it could lead to dryness/irritation.

>>18458192
Yeah thats what I was thinking because again, douching is not good for the vagina. But add in the bacteria, feces, dirt/sand, and other grossness that comes in the lake and ocean, I'd assume it'd get a whole new layer of unsanitary.

Does saying "I want to get to know you better" instantly imply romantic thoughts from the person who says it or can it be taken as a friendship thing?

>>18458190
I was hoping there is a better way. No harm in asking, right? I mean, I don't feel like remembering and carrying an oil bottle on a big trip, just to have some underwater sex

>>18458191
>>18458192
like I said, they never objected at all, so I never gave it a deeper thought.

But I think it's not *that* bad.

>>18458198
Hm guys I realize this is a very naive question, but can sperm survive in a closed off pool long enough to impregnate you by accident? I guess probably not with all the chlorine but idk

>>18458200
It can absolutely be a friendship thing, but in practice most people wouldn't really say this to someone of the opposite sex if they had zero interest in more just to be on the safe side.

Basically promising but not conclusive.

Do you believe there is such a thing as an intrinsically unlovable person?

What could such a person even do to be with someone? What if he/she truly had nothing to offer?

>>18458202
Nah, sperm are weak lil shits who can't survive very long outside the body period. Chemicals in pools will kill them almost immediately. If sperm could impregnate you in a pool, we'd have a LOT more unexplained pregnancies.

>>18458202
it's not about survival as much as it is about the mobility of the sperm. It's fucking tiny, so it gets pretty long to cross pussy. Remember that if it's outside initially, it has like additional 10cm more to cross. Furthermore multiple sperms help each other. It's just like walking through some high snow

And finally, the prostate fluid containf nutritients for the sperm. In the water, they would quickly die of starvation

but that's not to say that miracles can't happen

>>18458205
No.
If you feel unlovable, become a better human being, develop characteristics that make you better.

>>18458205
I don't think so, because there are so many different types of people out there, even shitty people attract other shitty people.
Hitler got laid ffs.

>>18458205
16:47:01 No.18458205
>Do you believe there is such a thing as an intrinsically unlovable person?
Yes

>What could such a person even do to be with someone? What if he/she truly had nothing to offer?

Come to terms that they are not going to get a partner and embrace this aspect of loneliness.

Alright, I'm 18 and there's a girl my age that I really like. She is shy and always goes everywhere with her girl friends and one gay dude. Problem is she is never alone and I can't talk to her without her friends around. How can I approach her?

>>18458207
>>18458209
lol, okay that sounds logical, was a dumb question desu. Glad to hear that though

>>18458205
No. Love isn't a rational thing, and I don't just mean that in the "there's someone out there for ~everyone" sense, but also in the sense that for example people who got abused badly in their childhood tend to gravitate towards people who give them the abuse that is safe and familiar. That in itself would be a huge attraction towards them even if this is a person who is not just cruel and has nothing to offer emotionally but is also ugly, broke etc.

The biggest factor for whether or not people get into relationships is how many people they meet, how many people they try to connect with (striking up a conversation and all) and so on. Not whether they have such special qualities. It's just like many people are friends with someone who is kind of douchey or whiny or whatever. Human beings are wired to form bonds with one another, and once you grow attached to someone (even if for no reason at all) it's hard to come back from even if you rationally understand there's nothing to gain with them.

>>18458198
Yeah, strips away a lot of the natural protections it has. Regular ol' swimming is fine because the lips stay closed.
>>18458201
Well it's probably not going to kill anyone, and hell, they may get away with having no issues at all. It's just hard to make it work out because it is not at all how nature designed us
.>>18458205
Like the other person said, you just have to get a new outlook, and maybe work on growth as a person. It would take extraordinary circumstances to be truly unlovable. And I am going to make the quick assumption that you are probably average.

>>18458205
yes
but it's not about having nothing to offer, but about being a fucking mean, gross psychopath.
Such a person would have to change their ways (at which point it wouldn't be the same person anymore, accoriding to my terminology and worldview). this might not be even possible.

so if you aren't a psychopath, you should be alright

>>18458214
Approach the group, befriend the group, get digits from the group, toss the ones you don't care about, set up one on one interactions with the one you do.

But, most girls will like that you can be friends with their friends. So I wouldn't make it obvious you no longer give a single fuck about anyone else in that group. (Hell, get to know them, you might even make friends.)

>>18458212
Hitler had a lot of charisma and interesting hobbies though.

What did you have for breakfast femanons?

>>18458215
Nah I had the same fears, smart young women are trained to view pregnancy as a death sentence so it's normal to be a tad paranoid, even if you know in reality its unlikely.
I dated a guy with a mud fetish a long time ago, I humored it as long as I didn't have to get dirty myself, once we were out at the beach and he wanted to cum in the ocean and I was like "Not until I get out of the water I don't even wanna chance a Phelps sperm" lol.

Even in normal sex, I get paranoid about pregnancy sometimes even though we used a condom and I'm on the pill AND he pulled out lol.

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>>18458227
Well, let's be real. Who wouldn't fuck a nazi.

>>18458227
and majority of germans fucking loved him too

>>18458214
Fuck the gay dude to etablish dominance and to become the alpha male of the group. Then, as the alpha, you can just chose the girl you want and she'll gladly give you her inner.

>>18458227
Ok, honey boo boo is alive because her cow of a mom got laid and that woman has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
There are dudes with downs syndrome getting married.
Face it kid, you have the power to be an interesting person you just know it's easier to whine and throw your hands up than put in the literal small amount of work to be a person.

>>18458229
it's either that you have a truly, truly fantastic personality or that he's almost asexual if he puts up with this kind of sex

>>18458224
But they're a bunch of dumb bitches. The only ones I like are the gay dude and the girl I was talking about. Also, two of the girls are very close to my ex-gf, so they kinda hate me.

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>>18458232
*drools*

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>>18458238

>>18458238
>mfw someone bonked honey boo boo mama and I can't get a boy to message me back

Sad!

>>18458242
Befriend the homosexual.

>>18458238
Of course I could probably find an extremely ugly, dumb and unlikable person, but do I want to spend my life or even a part of it with such a person?

>>18458229
I'm also paranoid about it, but as a college student guy with no money...I feel the pressure.

>>18458247
I'll massage your back qt pie

>>18458229
I let my bf cum inside me once and it was the worst thing ever. Even though I am on the pill, and a pretty harsh one at that, I was paranoid the whole month. Never again. Now it's either pull out or the super thin condoms.

>>18458240
I'd like to believe its the former. We have great foreplay.
and I'll give, pulling out is only if I'm feeling particularly worried, it's not very often. Every now and then though I just work myself up and am like "I'll literally have to kill myself if I get pregnant"

He's a good patient dude, I'm lucky to have him. We also share a lot of kinks that don't necessarily always involve PIV sex, so I think that helps.

>>18458256
You are the fucking worst.

Is it stupid to get a vasectomy to avoid accidents?
Girls would it be a dealbreaker if you knew your bf had one?

>>18458242
Then bite the bullet, approach the group, ask the girl you want if she can make time for you privately sometime. You can totally just do that you know, pull her out of the group. Those people will know EXACTLY what's up and that you're pursuing her romantically or sexually, but fuck them they're bitches I guess.

I'm gonna tell you right now though, if she's that close knit with these people you can never get her alone, even if you start dating you're gonna have a shitty time if you can't get along with them. Because what is she gonna do? Be /that/ cunt who ditches her friends for a bf that she's statistically unlikely to stick with with the age you're at? Hell no.

>>18458261
why?

>>18458229
>cum in the ocean and I was like "Not until I get out of the water I don't even wanna chance a Phelps sperm" lol.
The salinity of seawater would destroy them upon exit.

>>18458247
No, you can't get the boy you want to message you back. There's a very clear difference.
In the words of Bo Burnham,
if you want love, lower your expectations.

>>18458262
Yeah. I like kids, I want to have some. Vasectomy is irreversible in 30%+ of cases.

>>18458262
that's a fantastic idea
provided you won't miss the oppotrunity to spread your genes

>>18458250
And how do you think other people are viewing you? If you want a good partner, you become a good partner yourself.
You want a hot skinny gf, you be a hot skinny dude. You want an interesting gf, you be an interesting bf.
And good news, you have all the tools available to you to better yourself. You just have to actually do it.

>>18458262
It would be for me but I fiercely want to become a mother some day, and am not interested in a serious relationship with someone I know I could for a fact not end up with.

There's plenty of girls who don't want girls, are on the fence, are fine with having flings or full blown relationships that won't last and so on. It is a highly personal decision.

>>18458251
I understand mate. As said, I'd kill myself immediately if I got pregnant. Game over. I probably couldnt live with myself if I aborted it, couldn't live with myself if I ruined my body forever for something I can't/don't want to raise or put up with.
Only way out is seppuku.

>>18458274
You can become interesting if you try your hardest, but you can't become hot.

I might be going on a trip with a female friend of mine. We're both in different universities but been friends since highschool, so we're pretty close.

Anyways I'm having second thoughts because although we're pretty tight I always felt there was this sexual tension between us. Would it be weird if I brought a third person along without it coming off as rude to reduce the chance of things getting weird?

>>18458279
I thought like this when I was stil in school/doing my apprentiship. Now that I am steadily at work for two years and move in with the BF soon I would proooobably keep it. But it would be a huge shock and I wouldnt like it at all.

>>18458256
I'll never do condomless sex. If that's deal breaking for him that's fine, we weren't meant to be.
I don't think I'll ever trust someone so much to let them cum in me. Because like, they could cheat at any time and bring back god knows what stds.
Condoms will always be mandatory for me, even in marriage. And I'll likely always be on the pill or doing something myself to protect against pregnancy

>>18458267
I knew that deep down, but again, paranoia is not rational.
Miracles happen lol, who knows. Anything is possible, even if the statistical probability has a trillion 0's in front of it.

>>18458286
Are you taken? If so, I would say something like
>hey, I thought about it and even though [girlfriend] hasn't said anything I realized I would not love the idea of her doing a one on one trip with a male friend, I don't want to be a hypocrite so can we invite someone else

Either way I think it's generally fine to invite a third but only if you have come to a clear mutual agreement about that and about which person to ask. This is obviously going to be a pretty big impact on the trip for both of you.

If you are single, I'd just take the risk that she's going to feel a bit blown off by a spontaneous invite for a third person. Think beforehand about whether you can conceive of a scenario where you are okay with giving the real reason so you can navigate the discussion, she will likely push you.

>>18458291
i am glad that you are seeing it this way too. The other guy who just said I'm the worst can go fuck himself.

>>18458281
You can become better looking though. Don't be fat, bam. you're garuanteed to not be below a 4 if you can do that much. And if you have some horrific deformity, spend the money on plastic surgery. Nobody expects you to be a 10. Just not a 1. And without having severe birth defects, you aren't a 1.

>>18458287
I just don't have a maternal bone in my body. All I see kids as is a burden and chore, sucking the money out of my paycheck and chaining me to a life of never being able to travel or move.

>>18458309
I want a gf like you but all girls want kids it seems

>>18458297
He's just a troll, don't give him the satisfaction.

There's nothing wrong with finding condoms deal breaking, but there's also nothing wrong with the opposite. Just 2 different people who aren't compatible together, nothing wrong with either.

>>18458301
Yeah but "not be below a 4" and "be hot" isn't the same thing is it?

>>18458310
Yeah, its a rare breed. Most women eventually dream of being a mommy.
I dream of traveling the world while I'm young enough to appreciate it and I can't do that with a baby hanging off my tit.

>>18458313
You have to be realistic in your expectations, but the whole point is if you don't want a gf that looks like a foot, don't look like a foot yourself.

If you will not settle for less than a 11/10 knowing you cannot be an 11/10 then I don't feel bad for you. You have ridiculous expectations and can only blame yourself for that. Don't be so conceited. There are plenty of nice 6's out there that are plenty good looking without being perfect.

>>18458311
thats something not enough people understand. sexual compability is huge. if it dowsnt fit it doesnt fit, dont force it

>>18458320
Yeah, and the other thing people dont understand is that it's possible for people to have differing preferences without being terrible people for it lol.

I've recently lost all confidence speaking to girls I find attractive. Back story to it is I've had 3 long term relationships one after another and all 3 ended badly, after the last relationship I let hatred of women overtake me. Last time I had sex was about a year ago and now my confidence is just shot to peices, I work on building sites so don't interact with many women at all during the week, the most I interact with females is the cashier at shops and if I find them attractive I really struggle! Someone sort me out.

>>18458322
I can't say much for the confidence thing other than practice and seek professional help if it's bad enough.
I can say though, don't ask people out while they're working. Puts them in a bad spot, can even get them fired. If you gotta do anything, give them a note with your number. Do not ask for theirs, just say "If you're interested in hanging out sometime, hit me up" and leave. They can do what they want with that number, and if they choose to throw it in the trash take your hint and don't bother them again.

>>18458218
Wouldn't this reasoning work the other way too?

A person that is extremely introverted and shy to a fault will likely not have a partner unless he/she is also attractive and can pull off the brooding guy/shy qt thing off.

If this person changes to be more outgoing and exraverted (which apparently is the "correct" way to be in our current society), is he/she still the same person?

From my point of view he/she isn't, he/she had to change to conform to society's expectations and as such you can say the former person was truly unlovable, or at the very least, unable to find love.

>>18458332
introverts find love all the time. Try online dating.

>>18458319
I don't want to date a model, no. I'd like to find a girl who's pretty cute and fun to be around.
Thing is I'm not pretty cute and given how I have trust issues I'm not much fun to be around unless I've known the person for a long time.

>>18458338
Online dating is honestly a pretty terrible way to find love. Of course there's outliers but most of the time those websites are useless.

>>18458339
Step 1: pin point your biggest physical insecurities and make a plan to fix them.
Example: I'm fat and have no muscle. -> work out lose weight. I have a big nose -> save up for a nose job. I have terrible fashion -> study and research, find clothes you like that fit you better. etc

Step 2: once you start looking nicer, and you have something you can be proud of (the hard work you did to get yourself there) use that confidence boost and good vibes to address your psychological issues. And/or see a therapist to accelerate this affect.
>>18458343
Not doing anything at all and not even trying is useless too.

>>18458348
Don't you think cosmetic surgery is a really shitty way to deal with your insecurities?

>>18458348
>Not doing anything at all and not even trying
Honestly though online dating is not a good method.
Tinder, Badoo etc are for hookups and the userbase is overall pretty scummy or just looking for a quick fuck.
OkCupid, POF and the rest scrape the bottom of the barrel, because any girl who doesn't have issues can find a boyfriend without having to search for one on the Internet.

>>18458352
not them, but i think its a good way. some people say its laziness to remove fat, and i kinda agree but if you got an ugly face there is not mich else you can do. If it improves your self esteem, it is always a good joice tho, no matter what others say

>>18458352
Nah, it can be a great tool if you're realistic and don't go overboard.
I for example am saving up for cool sculpting. Thing is, I'm not 500 lbs thinking plastic surgery is gonna fix all my problems immediately. I was 200 lbs 5 years ago, I am currently 120. I put in a lot of work and effort to get to the body I have now, and I feel great about my progress. However, I have thick thighs that refused to budge all 80lbs I lost. There are just these little bits of fat on the inner thigh that I would like to see gone, but they're just too stubborn. I'm at a good weight, if I lose more I'd be underweight. So, I'm turning to a cosmetic procedure to give me that very last boost to satisfaction. I'm happy with my body, but those thighs are the last thing I really really want. Not to mention, since my thighs touch they chafe so bad in the summer, causing me to get rashes/leg burn which isn't fun. If I could correct them to not touch, then I am literally sparing myself of a minor medical issue.

If your insecurities are not physical, then yes, surgery is not going to deal with those. But my issue is entirely yes, I don't like the way my thighs look, so I'm doing something minor to make them a little bit better and ease that insecurity I have for them. Nothing wrong with that to me, but everyone's got an opinion. You're entitled to yours if you feel that's a bad way of dealing with my issue.

>>18458361
What about the way it will impact future relationships though
I don't know if many girls would find it attractive to know that their bf was so insecure about his appearance that he paid three grand to change it artificially

>>18458359
Again, doing nothing at all is 100% guaranteed to not find you love. Better to scrape the barrel searching for a chance than to just sit in your shitty diaper and cry.

>>18458367
In your case it's justifiable I suppose
When it's entirely cosmetic though it becomes a different issue, and often people who "fix" something with their face will find something else to worry about soon after.

>>18458369
You're literally suggesting that the only way for introverted shy guys to find a girlfriend is to scrape the bottom of the barrel and hope they get lucky.

>>18458368
desu if its not a sex change, i wouldnt even tell right away. Maybe if youre together longer, or if they see old photos of you... but generally, they are attracted to what you look like now. I dont think it will be a big deal besides an interesting anecdote

>>18458332
I generally agree, only t's bulltshit that you are suppoosed to be extraverted.

>>18458359
idiotic way of thinking, based only on questionable stereotypes. you are not introverted, you are stupid

>>18458382
>you are suppoosed to be extraverted.
But you are. If you want to succeed socially you have to be outgoing. Someone who's withdrawn is fucked unless he changes his personality.

>>18458370
That is true, thats why I say you should work towards it naturally if you can. I agree with the other anon, doing lipo at 200 lbs is just being lazy, and 99% of the time they just gain it back immediately. But people like me, who did put in the hard work to lose weight, but just are having difficulty getting that last little bit off, I don't begrudge them that.

But not all things can be fixed without plastic surgery, and again, you have to be able to distinguish your physical insecurities from psychological. If you hate everything about yourself to the core of your being, no, plastic surgery is not gonna help you because you need psychological help, not physical help.
I have a Jewish friend who got a nose job when she was 19. She joked with me "Normal families save up for their child's education, Jewish families save up for the child's nose job"
She was realistic though, she wasn't expecting a disney style button nose. She only wanted to take the hump out of it to make it appear just a tad smaller. And she was very happy with the results. She said she felt completely content with her appearance after it was all healed. And she's never had another procedure since.

>>18458382
Everything to do with love and sex is itself and is embedded within social interaction. It's hardly surprising that if you do not generally enjoy and do a lot of that, have unrefined skills in that area and so on that throws up a hurdle.

>>18458391
that's untrue. I know introverts with many good friends and a lot of succes achieved. you got fooled by some stereotypes

>>18458390
I tried, though. So I'm speaking from experience.

>>18458372
Well, if they are so shut in NEET's that they literally never leave the house and refuse to change that, then yes, that is kind of their only option. You'd have to compromise on something. I'm introverted, I'm not a fucking shut in but I'm introverted. I meet other introverts out in the real world. I've dated. It's not impossible if you put the effort into it.
But none of you want to put even the slightest bit of effort into it. So yes, if you refuse to put any effort into anything, 100% with out a doubt you will NEVER find love. But if you try at least something, you have at least a chance. If love is that important to you, you might as well take even the 1% chance. That's what I'm saying. You can't sit here and piss and moan when you aren't even going to try.

>>18458348
This doesn't work and I can tell from experience. There are plenty of fat guys pulling girls hotter than I'll ever be able to even talk to without embarrassing myself. At the end of the day its ephemeral validation and it won't do much for you.

I say this because I fell for it too. I was like 180 or 190 pounds at 5'8(male), I was really fucking fat. I lost weight and gained a little bit of muscle, my face looked much better, and so on and so on. And... absolutely nothing changed. I was the exact same insecure mess as always. Well, I should say I am because I'm not fat now.

Meanwhile one of my best friends is a fat 5'7', hairy-back dude with a 8/10 girlfriend that kisses the ground he steps on. Why? Because he's a jolly fat dude, who proudly says he is a fat fuck, is fun to be around and couldn't give any less f a shit what anyone says about him.

And some people are like that, and some aren't. That's why confidence is important. But it's not something you train like a muscle. Why do so many people who haven't achieved anything irradiate confidence and some people who have done stuff not? Because it's something given, like your height or your face. Some people just can't be proud of anything no matter what they do because they know deep down in their core they haven't achieved shit and they don't have anything to be proud about.

>>18458403
>I meet other introverts out in the real world. I've dated.
How do you do it?

>>18458404
You missed the part about
>use that confidence boost to address psychological problems.

Of course looks are in actuality the smallest part of the pie. But looks are the easiest step to change. You use the boost from being happy with your looks to fix the larger problems.

If that didnt work for you, its likely because you're too far gone and needed professional help. This is just self help, if your problems are bad enough, you need a therapist.