ITT: Ask the Opposite Gender Anything

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>Girl just gave me an invitation to crash at her place after a night of drinking

Am I going to hump tonight?

>>18176991
Go straight for the clit, manny.

Girls:
How would you personally rank the first date activities in the OP?
>coffee, lunch, dinner, drinks, ice cream, movies, zoo, aquarium, museum, art gallery

>>18177000
Oh I like this.

>coffee, lunch, icecream
>museum, art gallery
>dinner
>zoo, aquarium
>drinks
>movies

>>18177012
drinks that low?
lunch that high?
If I eat lunch with the same girl every day is she into me or sth?

>>18177000
Hmm, for first dates, best to worse
Coffee, movie, ice cream, lunch, dinner, drinks, and then the zoo/aquarium/museums
The latter are too cheesy/intimate to me for whatever reason. Just seems like something I'd do with a long standing boyfriend rather than someone I'm trying to get to know better.

The first couple were chosen first because they're cheap and have require little commitment. Drinks I would typically only accept as a first date if I thought there was serious promise, same with dinner, because its expensive and I would feel like I owed him something if I allowed him to pay at least.

Though I typically always suggest going dutch the first date regardless of cost.

>>18177017
I dislike drinking on first dates, I don't want a stranger to get to know me when I'm tipsy.

Lunch is a perfect first date - it is cheaper and more relaxed than dinner, and when the meal is over you have a good excuse to fuck off if it didn't go well, or to do something else if it went well because you have the whole afternoon.

>If I eat lunch with the same girl every day is she into me or sth?
No.

>>18177028
lol
that isn't the answer I expected.

What do you do post sex? Do you just go straight to sleep, spoon, shower?

Is it weird that I cannot orgasm from anything touching my vag or clit, but I can orgasm from shit like ear kisses?
I'm assuming yes, it's weird, but guys if you were with a chick like that what would you think or feel?


Secondly, if anyone has advice, is there any way I can like, make myself produce more natural lube? Even when I'm at maximum arousal I'm still pretty dry. I hate lube because it's sticky and gross and I just feel so disgusting that I can't focus on anything during sex other than how much I just want to get in a shower (this includes water based lube).
Is there like medicine for this kind of thing?

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>>18177035
Usually he kicks me out of his bed and makes me go home.

>>18177035
Depends. We talk, cuddle, shower, go back to what we were doing before, sleep.

>>18177028
Also the benefit to lunch, since most people are meeting online these days, is its in broad day light and there's usually plenty of witnesses around in case they end up being a complete wackjob.

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Been seeing this girl and now we're both at the point where we want sex, but I don't feel chemistry with her and don't want to date her. I don't want to have sex with her under those pretenses. How do I tell her? I mean what do I literally tell her? (I'm autistic, diagnosed and all). I'd like to remain friends.

I started with "I didn't want to lead you on but I don't feel chemistry between us." Please help.

>>18177039
Yeah, that too.
This is one of the reasons why I dislike getting drinks on a first date. Getting drunk with a guy I met online, at night, is a bit too risky to me.

>>18177033
Why?

>>18177049
Thought she likes me.
idk why I'm asking random people though, maybe I want to date her, maybe not, but I sure want to fug her.

>>18177046
I think this is just one of those things you should be blunt about.
You're on the right track though, if you want to clear up any misunderstandings, do emphasize you were trying to grow something from the start, not just stringing her along, but that growth just didn't happen.

It happens, I think most adults understand that. But, keep in mind, you might not actually stay friends. Most of the time, that shits too awkward to really continue on from.

>>18177059
Well, I don't think "we have lunch together every day" is a good way to decide whether someone likes you or not.
Maybe it is just convenient because you do activities together.

>>18177065
>>18177059
Yeah it depends on what the pretenses of lunch were. Like, do you get lunch every day because you're coming out of the same class/job at the same time every day, and you're friendly?
I ate lunch every day with the same people in college, but it was because we all had the same class schedule and all had the same 40 minute gap between classes. It was just convenient.

Does she go out of her way to get lunch with you every day?
That might be a better sign, but again, still might just be that she has no other friends with free time right then to get lunch with her, and its better than eating alone.
Not to say that means she doesn't like you at all, just that she might still only see you as a friend. But she could be trying to grow something. Who knows. Make a move.

>>18177036
I don't know how I'd feel. I'd like to be with a girl who can cum from getting her tits or feet sucked/kissed/massaged.

Just for curiosity's sake, are you disgusted by saliva? (I know it is not a good lube)

>>18177037
Are you a slut or prostitute?

>>18177012
>>18177022
I'm not OP. What about a walk in the park or mall?

>>18177077
>I'm not OP. What about a walk in the park or mall?
Parks, yes, definitely.
Mall, no, absolutely no. I wouldn't want to walk in a mall, especially just to waste time, especially on a date, especially with a stranger.

>>18177077
Normally I am grossed out by spit, like last time I held my friends baby she drooled all over my arm and I almost vomited. Took a long time for me to warm up to open mouth kissing as well. But oddly enough I actually don't mind it in my vag. Suppose its because I'm ok with oral. Though I will say, I've watched porn where the dude like, basically just hacks a lugie into her vagina and that turns me off. If it's more subtle than just, directly spitting in it I don't care. One ex of mine would lick his fingers or something before getting into it.

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>>18177077
>slut
Idk, probably. I spent years trying to get a bf and only getting offers to be fuck buddies in exchange so I finally just started taking what I could get.
I feel so empty inside and am so desperate for affection I usually will fuck the first dude that shows interest in me as soon as he initiates it. So yeah, I think that makes me a slut I guess.

>>18177046
>>18177064
I sent her this facebook message as it's what we usually use to talk.

Confession time. I didn't want to lead you on but I don't feel chemistry between us. I wanted to give it some time to hang out and get to know each other but it's still not there so I wanna be upfront."

I've never told a girl I'm not interested. Every girl I've dated has dumped me, not vice versa. And I know we're not really dating, but it still kills me knowing how she likely feels. I told followed up with "I'm sorry. I wanted to tell you earlier rather than later so it's as least shitty as possible."

>>18177126
Yeah, I think thats ok. Though personally, for future reference, serious conversations such as these have much less bite/sting when you do it in person. Or at LEAST over the phone or something with voice.
Because when you can't have the body language/tone of voice for context, most people will read into this flat text as worse as it can possibly be perceived.

Rejecting good people is hard, I feel ya. I've been rejected and I've done some rejecting. It's hard both ways. But you just do it the best you can, which is what you're doing.

>>18177140
We had plans for her to spend the night tomorrow, hence the text. I shouldn't have let it get this far.

>Not aroused enough for penetration until after I cum
>Too sensitive to touch for 3-5 minutes after I cum
>3-5 minutes of not doing anything makes me lose arousal
What do?

>>18177092
Mall has too many people?

Does first date in my room sound ok? It worked the last time.

>>18177164
Make out, have him play with your breasts, suck his cock, do anal, jerk him off while dirty talking to him, watch porn.

>>18177077
I'm not much of an outdoorsy person, but I wouldn't say no to a walk in the park.
Mall would be kind of boring imo.

>>18177164
>Too sensitive to touch after I cum
bitch pls, bite the pillow and take the dick

>>18177168
Mall is boring as fuck. I don't like closed, crowded places, I dislike shopping, I dislike shopping with people. It's just the shittiest first date.

I would never go to a stranger's room. If we had been friends before, why not. Get pizza tho.

>>18177121
If you actually want to have a bf, stop that. Don't be too easy.

>>18177171
>>18177177
I don't get how food (coffee, lunch) is any better. :(
Can you explain?

Any girls with orgasm teasing fetishes here?

I like the idea of being teased or denied an orgasm until I can barely stand it. The problem is that when I've tried it, what usually happens is that if the guy stops stimulation when I'm close or even 2/3 of the way there, any about-to-orgasm feelings go away...but then never come back, no matter what we do the rest of the night. I'm not sure what to do about this, because the bf also has an orgasm teasing fetish

>>18177204
It didn't work for me in the past though. I tried making them wait, they didn't. They just moved onto someone who would give it up immediately.

And everyone my age has said you have to fuck first before you date. Relationships these days start as casual sex and then might grow into more.

>>18177210
I have that problem too, but I'm not even into that fetish. I just can't ever cum :/ I get close, and then it just stops. It's kind of frustrating when you actually want to cum lol.

>>18177148
>>18177140
>>18177064
>>18177126
Do I message her again and if so when? She read my stuff and it's been 30 minutes. Do I tell her outright I wanna be friends?

>>18177246
If you have a read receipt, you know she saw it, leave her be man.
Balls in her court now. If she wants to be friends, she'll come back to you. If not, well, take the hint.
You commenting any more might just be salt in the wounds at this point if she really did like you.

>>18177204
>I don't get how food (coffee, lunch) is any better. :(
You sit down, look at each other, and have a reserved/quiet place to talk. It's more personal, relaxed and you have something to talk about.

Plus, malls are not romantic at all. It's trashy as fuck.

>>18177204
Just more opportunity for face to face talk >>18177251 put it perfectly. More intimate, quiet, relaxed.

Walking around the mall is boring to me because it's like, what are we doing? Just talking? Why the mall then? Are we shopping? Fun fact about shopping with women, our clothing does not have coherent sizing. So we have to try on literally everything before we buy it. Which, is weird to just leave a date to go try shit on.
Malls usually have more clothing stores than anything else.

>>18177250
Will do.

Any idea why I might feel so emotional about this? It's either cause I do like her, or what I'm leaning to is that I have super low self esteem and I'm terrified I'm letting go the only person who'll care about me.

>>18177263
Definitely the latter.
You might feel bad because I don't think any good person wants to hurt someone else, especially someone who has been nothing but good to them. But sometimes you can't help it. I feel bad every time I shut down a dude because I think of all the dudes here on 4chan that then start hating women, feeling like they're worthless and will never be loved, etc. I never want to be the one that creates that channer. But what else am I supposed to do? Pity date someone I don't like just to give them encouragement?
You gotta put yourself first sometimes man. And people with low self esteem typically have problems doing this.
I'm the same way.

I might be in trouble.
This girl said she had a crush on me since many years ago (like middle school), and she's pretty. So I hang out with her more and more and then we had sex.
The thing is, she wanted to be on top, and she was a bit rigid, she never moved her hip all the way down, so it's just like half of my dick. Then I took over, in missionary, and it felt amazing, I went all the way, she was moaning and all, then apparently she was pushing me away, apparently the sound she made and all the sweat was from pain (or pleasure I can't tell), then she squealed and told me to stop, but due to inertia (and it turned me on so much seeing her in pain) I got quite a few more thrusts in before stopping completely. Then she cried and said she's sorry that she couldn't do it. Of course I apologized and told her it's my fault. I was still hard so I cum in her mouth instead (she's ok with this). I'm lucky she's not thinking about pressing rape charge. But It's getting weird every time we hang out now. I'm not sure what to say (so I'm sort of keeping it friendly), could she be waiting for me to initiate anything? I'm not sure since our first time was kinda traumatic for her. I'm still afraid she might press charge.

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Is shopping (clothes, shoes and cosmetics) the only thing girls are really autistic about?

Im comparing between the chinese shopping threads between /g/ (male nerds/virgins/neckbeards) and /cgl/ (femanons only)

The /cgl/ girls knowledge is blowing us the fuck out.

>>18177291
Depends on the person. I am absolutely autistic about some things that aren't related to shopping at all.

>>18177291
What? Are you confusing passion with autism?

>>18177224
>fuck first than date
Loooooool.
Girl, you mustnt trust everybody. How old were you when you tried to get the bf? 16?

>>18177283
Well I mean dude, you did kind of rape her. She told you to stop and you kept going.
I'm glad you realized this mistake and didn't finish, but still. You admitted you did not stop when you could have out of just being too aroused to control yourself. That's not a valid excuse in court man.

If she was gonna press charges, she would have done it by now. I'm guessing she didn't take it too poorly. I mean I would not have let you cum in my mouth if I really felt you violated me. She probably just thinks you didn't hear her or you really did stop as soon as you could.
She might not wanna fuck someone who gave her painful sex again though man. I wouldn't. You might just be physically incompatible sex partners, you're too big for her or something.

I want a girlfriend so bad. I see beautiful women from the next town over, but I live in basically Detroit 2.0, and there are NO pretty women here. All of them live in the suburbs. I'm a white 18 year old and I plan on moving and getting into the electrician trade. I'm getting my GED in April, so I'll start tomorrow (I am setting goals). I go to the gym all the time and see beautiful women 10 years older than me who are personal trainers. I wish I could reach out and touch them. And move to the countryside with them. I'm an 8/10, I'm completely honest. I take extremely good care of myself. Many women have asked me out but I am a bit of a perfectionist. The ones I actually liked I missed their signs. I had a girlfriend before but I dumped her. It will probably be half a year before I can land a girlfriend, because I never see people at the moment besides at the gym. I guess you could call me a NEET, but I'm in the midst of changing that.

>>18177283
you didnt rape her.

>>18177301
Last serious, monogamous bf I had was 17. I'm 22 now and I've been in the dating game the whole way through.
So I haven't ever had a real adult boyfriend. But all my friends who are dating people say this is how it works. You get a fwb and then it just starts to become more later on. This is how adult dating works, the old high school dating of going from friends to relationship to sex is outdated and childish. Now the progression is friends/stranger to fwb to relationship (possibly).

I just have yet to meet anyone that's interested in me who doesn't have 5-10 other girls he's fucking at the same time. Feels more like I'm penciling in a time slot on his calendar than anything. Right between girl 1 and girl 7.
Then again, it's not like many dudes express interest in me in the first place. I'm lucky to pull one guy once every 6 months or so. Hell, most of them don't even stick around after the first time. Most want a ons rather than a fwb. I've only had 2 fwbs. The one was juggling way too many girls though, and never had time for me. I only ever ended up seeing him like 3 times within the span of 4 months. The other decided to get back with his ex and dumped me.

>>18177322
>outdated and childlish
Guess i am now 25 childlish outdated male. Or i just live in different location than you (CZE) with different values.

My guess is you pick up wrong dudes, you are super fat, you have nothing to offer or you never try to snatch some dude yourself.

Good luck femanon.

>>18177121
>I feel so empty inside and am so desperate for affection I usually will fuck the first dude that shows interest in me as soon as he initiates it.
You know you're just setting yourself up for a self fulfilling prophecy right?

>>18177322
>But all my friends who are dating people say this is how it works. You get a fwb and then it just starts to become more later on. This is how adult dating works, the old high school dating of going from friends to relationship to sex is outdated and childish. Now the progression is friends/stranger to fwb to relationship (possibly).
I think that says more about your friend group than anything. I'm 24 and the majority of my friends relationships have not functioned that way.

>>18177340
Ah might be it. USA. We just do things differently here.

Ironically that time I had a bf in highschool was when I was obese. I lost a ton of weight over the years after the break up. I'm 5'3 and 125lbs now, though I don't carry it well. I'm flabby and not toned, I'm often categorized as chubby. But I'm still losing. My target right now is 115, or whenever the pouch of gut fat gets toned away. Whichever comes first.

Could just be the wrong dudes, but idk how to fix that. I'm attracted to what I'm attracted to. I like thin, cocky, and dominant dudes. These types are most likely to just be in it for a fuck. But I'm just not attractive to the chubby/fat sensitive types that want to treat me like a princess and dote on me.
I just want a dude who likes me and likes having me around, but still has some degree of independence, has his own life that he will put first when needed, and treats me like a normal human being. I'm important to him, but I'm not god or anything.

I also probably don't have much to offer. I have few niche hobbies. But my dream in life is to be the nice little 50's housewife that dotes on her husband. I like making other people happy, especially the guy I'm with. I support his dreams, I do whatever I can to make him feel successful and happy.

>>18177353
Probably. But the only alternative I've ever seen is to just be miserable and alone. At least for the hour they're with me, I don't feel so sad and lonely.
But after it does just come crashing down and I feel worse than ever I suppose. It's a drug.
>>18177367
maybe that too, but I'm in college. This is all I see out of college students. They all say it's too much work and there's no point to get into something serious right then, since they'll be moving on after graduation and going different places. It makes sense I suppose. 24 might be different since most people are done with college by then.

>>18177302
She's really hard to read after that. We still hang out twice a week but sometimes she's cold, sometimes she glares at me when I talk to other girls (they just happen to arrive at the class earlier and I sat with them), sometimes she laughs at my jokes but in this weird sarcastic way. There's a hint of resentment when she talks to me, perhaps she had so much expectation about some perfect prince charming who'd treasure her and I totally destroyed that image (lol)
It's a pity since this girl is such a catch.

>>18177374
Now you told it yourself. You keep dating assholes and then you complain when they use cum and dump tactic (what is very normal for assholes to do).

Either reevaluate your life values and choices or suffer for ethernity.

>>18177389
Shes probably still into you then and gets jealous when you're talking to other girls man.
I think you're reading too much into it. Everything you're saying to me points to her liking you even. You're just seeing these "hints" of resentment in her behaviors because you're paranoid about it.

>>18177340
Czech? Is that really the land of the whores? Why are all Czech girls really hot?

>>18177405
They don't seem like complete assholes to me though. Just like normal people who are independent. I don't want to be someone's entire world, that would be too much pressure for me. (Hypocritical, I know, since that's basically the role I want to play instead but hey, opposites attract.)

Are you saying there's only 2 types of people, assholes that are independent and nice guys who will put me on a pedestal and treat me like a queen?
I guess I do have to suffer then, because both of those are equally unappealing.
Guess that's why girls become cat ladies. I guess I want a cat. Cats want to be in the same room as you, and show you affection in subtle ways, but aren't all over you 24/7.

>>18177383
>24 might be different since most people are done with college by then.
Probably for most, but I basically had a late start because reasons and I'm only in my third year. Are there a lot of kids that put sleeping around up on a pedestal? Sure. But that doesn't mean everyone is like that, nor are you limited to making relationships exclusively at college as well. Then there's the simple fact that your behavior would really turn off a lot of guys who actually would want something steady.

>>18177422
I'm kind of the male version of you. The difference is that I'm older, already have a cat and I get prostitutes.

>>18177000
>museum
>zoo, aquarium, art gallery
>ice cream
>coffee, lunch, dinner
>movies (unless it was a really good art house movie, rather than a block buster)
>drinks

>>18177416
>>>/int/ we do a lot of porn on internet for such a small country, but the general population is almost whore free.

>>18177422
No there is entire spectrum of people. But you (and your friends) are just going for cum and dump dudes. Whatever you have been doing up until now is not working. CHANGE YOUR WAYS. Try online dating, social events you dont like whatever. And even if he puts you on pedastal, you can climb down from it and COMUNICATE with him to find working compromise.

Do you know the definition of madman?
He keeps doing the same thing over and over and keep expecting different outcome.

Dont be madwoman femanon. And buying cat instead of trying to date another type of dudes is beyond pathetic.

>>18177437
You arent really helping anon. You literally had GIVEN UP ON LIFE.

>>18177433
Well here's the thing, I never initiate it. I just go along. If they really wanted to date me, and would think less of me for sleeping with them, why are they trying to sleep with me then? Why are they the ones getting grabby, suggesting we go back to his room, taking off my clothes, unzipping their own pants, etc?

I know I can date later in life, but I'm not sure I want to. I wanted to be married before 30, and it takes time to get to marriage point. I should be meeting the potential marriage candidates now. I should be in that monogamous relationship now, in order to get to that point before I'm middle aged.
I also have little desire to be anyone's second (or more) wife, and I have absolutely ZERO desire to raise anyone else's kids or be a step mom. The longer you wait in life, the more likely these things are to happen.

I know there might be a handful out there, but if they're such a small minority how will I ever find them? And it seems like whenever I do find one, they've already been snatched up.
>>18177437
If only prostitutes could give me what I need. I don't care about sex, if I did then I'd be fine with what I'm doing. I just wanna be loved.

>>18177460
But are there ugly girls in Czech? Post a pic, because I can only find hot girls and this makes me want to move to your cuntry.

There is nothing wrong with having a cat. They're better than dogs.

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Females: What does it take for you to be attracted to a guy? I'm worried that I'm asexual because I'm never attracted to guys.

>>18177407
I've considered that. I would gladly ask her out. But it's really hard to imagine she would want to do anything sexual me again, I still remember her looking at me with teary eyes, mouth full of cum. Sometimes I look back and was like wtf did I do to this nice girl. We haven't come close to kissing since then. Super awkward. I guess we don't see many cases where the guy gave the girl a painful experience, then they date.

>>18177470
You find them by being active and initiating it. Go bf hunting.

Prostitutes can give you love, you just have to pay them. Did you know that there are guys who see prostitutes just to talk? You pay for their time.
Not that I'm recommending it, I'm just telling you some useless/fun fact.

>>18177460
I've done it all though. Online dating, asking friends to hook me up, making friends with classmates, co workers, random strangers on the street and at the bars. None of it was getting me anywhere. I've been doing this since I was 17 after all, idk what else I try, what else I change? Other than my looks of course, I've been doing that. Figured if I was hot enough maybe one of the fwb's would stick around and maybe make me exclusive. It's about all I HAVEN'T tired yet. Recently I even started trying to see a dude I wasn't attracted to just to see if he would grow on me.
He didn't. and I just feel uncomfortable whenever I see him.

>>18177480
I was kind of like that until I met my boyfriend. I find guys attractive, but I never wanted to actually date or be romantically involved with them.

>>18177164
sensitive as in feeling pain, or sensitive as in legs jumping and body twitching but extremely pleasureable that you can't handle?

>>18177502
>random strangers on the street
the fuq
how many sex partners do you have?
3 digits?

>>18177480
Are you attracted to girls?

Also, I don't exactly know. I know that a certain "european" look (dark hair and eyes, olive skin) is something I really like, as is white skin, blue eyes and dark hair.

Intelligence is also very attractive, as is being well dressed and polite. There is a 1000% chance I will find a guy more endearing if he has a book in his hands.

>>18177480
initiative and ambition usually.
I'm attracted to a dude when he knows what he wants and has the guts to go get it.
And then there has to be some physical aspect to it as well in order for it to be romantic or sexual.
But my standards are usually just not fat, taller than me, and has a good face. But I honestly cannot explain what that means. Some dudes just have good faces and others don't.
But I'm far more willing to be lenient on the physical stuff, or stretch my boundaries, than I am on the personality traits.

>>18176976
My gf has a refrigerator body and I started jacking off to woman with hour glass figures recently. How do I tell her to get her shit together because I can't get up unless the lights are out and Im thinking about hot women while banging her. Obviously Id never tell her that.

Does this need its own thread. theres more to it but I tried to keep it short.

>>18177502
How was your luck on online dating? What happened exactly?

>>18177518
>refrigerator body
weew lad
how heavy is she?

>>18177475
>ugly girls
Of corse there are. There are few uglies, few super gorgeous and the majority is filled with average qties. The difference is when you live here, you are used to qties. All you have seen on internet are probably average qties but you like them a lot because
>exotic.
Also we dont have so many obese people like in usa, so the average qtie here is not fat. And nobody posts uglies on internet here. So you are heavily biased.

Also we are super poor country, we work for 1/3 pay compared to germany and the prices are the same.

>>18177502
Ok femanon, you said it:
You have dated entire male population in usa at your age range and everybody is cum and dump dude. Therefore you can give up on life, buy cat and stay forever alone. Does that sound right?

Also dudes plan to start family at later ages. So maybe, just maybe you expects teens / manchildren afraid of commitment to take dating seriously. Have you tried to go for a little older dudes who are maybe thinking of starting family? Or did feminazis destroyed family in usa yet so that also stopped existing?

>>18177497
I meant I never initiate the sex.
I've been hunting since 17. See>>18177502, if you have an idea on how to meet people I didn't list there I can try I'll give it a go. I mean it genuinely, not being snarky at all, I'm running out of places to look and idk where else to go.
>>18177509
Not all of them accept of course. As I said, I'm lucky to get one dude every half year to mutually have interest. I think I've had about, 6 sexual partners? And one of those was my high school bf.
I suppose I've been misleading though, I've never actually been penetrated. All of my hookups have only ever gone as far as oral.
>>18177520
Vast majority were obese, lots of single teen dads, and many set up red flags or made it clear just from their profile they're just looking for casual sex.
I've only ever found one person that was within driving distance of me that I even thought was worth or safe enough to meet up irl.
That was the dude I was seeing that though I wasnt attracted to (because he was using altered pics) I tried it out anyway. But I'm still not attracted to him.

How many of you femanons are interested in a traditional relationship?

>>18177548
I'm interested in traditional cuckoldship.

>>18177551
u are groace

>>18177548
What do you consider to be a traditional relationship?

>>18177548
>How many of you femanons are interested in a traditional relationship?
Define "traditional". It's a pretty empty term.

>>18177480
I've found that it's very important for me to believe that a guy might be attracted to me before I find them attractive. I used to be ultra-reserved and so guys never approached me. But since I've gotten more social there are situations when guys have hinted at being interested and suddenly my sexuality wakes up from dormancy.

Girls and guys

This cute girl I've been friends with for a while just started texting me Lewds. I don't know why, but I'm trembling. Like my body is physically shaking.

Why is this happening?

>>18177036
nah, not normal. But it doesn't seem like a dealbreaker. Maybe you just want more romanticism and your partners aren't good enough at it for you? After all ear kisses are probably the most romantic stuff possible.

As for the lube - try regular edible oil. It's not the best, but it's very good anyway. I heard it corrodes rubber, but there are still other ways of contraception.

>>18177548
Traditional as in male provider female home maker?
Not me. Respect and all to women who do want that, but I'd be bored and unfulfilled only doing housework for the rest of my life. My parents had a very equal partnership, in that they both went part time so someone was always at home (excluding the first 6 months). Then as I started aging I spent one day in day care a week till I went to school etc.

That's what I want. Something equal where I don't have to give up all my dreams while my partner does what he wants (and probably bangs the hot secretary on the side). The idea of being so financially beholden to someone else is something that makes me deeply uncomfortable.

>>18177542
Well, I don't much see the point in cyber dating a dude across the country from me. If you can't ever see each other, why bother? Long distance just breeds cheating if you ask me.
I'm just saying I've tried many different forms of dating and none have borne fruit. I'm still trying all of them, sans asking friends to hook me up since they're run out of patience/friends to hook me up with.

Well, I don't want to have kids myself either. I don't see myself being a good parent, I'm not mommy material. I'd probably just fuck a kid up and do more harm than good.
However, I understand that might just be because I'm young, of course I can't see myself being a parent, I'm still basically a child myself at 21. Idk what I'm doing, I'm in no stable position in life. I might come around with age.
But there is one thing I am firm on, is that I will NEVER be pregnant. I worked hard all my life to get my body to a point where I could be even somewhat happy with it. I do not want to ruin that by having a kid. I'll adopt, or even do surrogacy if he's really wanting a biological kid, (though I will probably advise against using my genes, since I carry a number of horrific genetic problems I would hate to pass on.) But I won't carry a child in my womb. That's the only thing I'll put my foot down completely on in the matter.

>>18177563
The temperature in your room is too low. What does weather forecast say?

>>18177554
>>18177555
Man works, woman takes care of the kids and cooks.
clearly delineated division of labor
high behavioral dimorphism

>>18177573
No thanks. We don't live in the 1600s.

>>18177573
I'm not very much into or against the traditional option, but I totally dig the phrases you utter

>>18177563
Shock?
Have you ever gotten nudes before?

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>>18177507
Both? It's a weird sensation. I think it probably is the overstimulated I just can't handle it, but it is also something I'd describe as a pain. But, a "good" pain, if that makes sense. Kind of like those low level electrocutions, it's like a sharp buzzy feeling that kind of feels good but hurts at the same time? It's hard to explain.
Still though, my body does just completely jerk away and recoil from any more stimulation right after. I've been told sometimes guys get the same thing when you keep sucking after they already came?

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>>18177576
Correct. We live in 2017, and a Republican is in the White House, so get back in the kitchen.

>>18177542
I don't mind being poor, I just want qties.
Just for comparison, what do you think about Brazilian girls? You have seen ugly Brazilians, right?
I consider most girls here ugly.

>>18177547
>6 sexual partners
I expected a worse answer.
>oral
If that's the case... You don't have a nice ass, do you?
>single teen dads
Oh, boy... Hahaha Explain yourselves, Meriburgers.

>>18177580

Years ago

>>18177573
No thank you, I don't feel like living in the 50s. I like my work, and I like my hobbies, and I don't want to be consigned to only housework for my life.

>>18177564
Ah, no I need condoms. I'm on the pill, but I don't trust anyone not to have STDs, even long term partners.
Never know when they might cheat and bring something home, or just plain might not even know they had something before we got together but never checked out
>Go get checked before you do it then
Yeah but that's kind of an awkward conversation and comes across accusatory. Condoms are just easier.

>>18177563
My first somewhat sexual experience with other real person was roleplaying on flist with stranger.

I was so horny and nervous and excited my hands were so shaking i had trouble typing the scenario out. It was as intense for me as my first time with girl.

I guess you have it the same with even less stimulation :-D

>>18177563
You're a fag.

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>>18177587
>I don't feel like living in the 50s
What is it with liberals and this infantile Whig history?

We're not living on an inexorable trajectory towards androgyny. People are increasingly in favor of gender roles and against feminism (pic related).

>>18177590
ah, that's your problem then.
Condoms desensitize the fuck out of you. Personally I'd rather not fuck at all than with a condom

>>18177573
I'm the one that's been talking about my dating woes.
As I said in a previous post, other than the kids thing, that's my perfect dream life.
I also don't care what others do with their lives though, freedom of choice and all. I'm not saying this is the ONLY life women should live, but it'd be a life I'd like to live. Only part I'm opposed to is having kids.

>>18177599
How many guys who want a traditional wife aren't going to want kids?

If you don't have kids, you aren't a wife, you're a concubine.

>>18177573
Welp, no thanks.

I honestly take care of most of the housework because my boyfriend doesn't enjoy cooking or cleaning, and I genuinely enjoy doing it. But it takes me maybe 2-3 hours a day tops to do all the chores and the cooking and I don't see what I'd do the rest of the time if I didn't work. Being inactive for 14 hours a day seems suicide-worthy.
I like the extra money too. We can comfortably live on just one of our salaries so we can invest on our hobbies.

>>18177576
>>18177587
Feminazis, please...

>>18177597
Enjoy your AIDS.

>>18177600
I do.

>>18177605
>Enjoy your AIDS.
you fucking bet I would
Life of good sex is easily worth it

>>18177567
See, you want partner who will stick around, but you are still imature with no stable life.

I would date you femanon (provided i wasnt on the other side of ocean), you sound like person with ability to think. But since you drop the
>no kids bomb
you would be no use to me. Sorry. I suggest you to secure your life and dont give up. Godspeed femanon, i am unable to help you :-(

>>18177595
I said I don't. Not that it's a bad thing for all women, I just personally wouldn't want that dynamic. Also I don't know where this graph comes from or who they asked or if it was a legit survey or not.

>>18177583
All brazilian girls i see on web are like amazons for me. Darker skin, super big boobs, asses even intimidating for me. I would date them provided they wouldnt scare me :-D

>>18177583
>Nice ass
Probably not. It's big but not round. I'm sure it's only big because I'm chubby, unlike my tits which have been static in size throughout my 70-80 or so lbs of weight loss.
When my ass meets my thighs, it straightens out. Doesn't form this nice round shape that guys like.
But if you're implying anal or anything, I would never do it. I don't wanna risk ruining my ability to hold my shit.
>Teen dads
yeah, theres a lot unfortunately. I've never met a single teen mom to ever NOT shit talk the dad's new gf constantly, so I don't wanna be a part of that mess.

>>18177573
I personally wouldn't want that at all, but I am not against women who do-that's their prerogative.

I simply enjoy my work and find it fulfulling, and wouldn't want to give it up, and would hope I could find a man who would respect that and we could find some equilibrium about the work/life thing.

>>18177597
If thats the case then I'd rather just use the sticky condom safe lube then.
I just cannot ever see myself trusting someone that much and giving them the power to basically ruin my whole life.

girls

how do you feel about footfags

>>18177600
I'm open to surrogacy and adoption! But I don't think I'd make a good mother where I stand in life right now.
I think being a mother and being a wife are 2 different roles personally. There's a reason why relationships change completely when kids come along. Because usually women who like the traditional role will put their entire focus and effort onto their men, but when kids come they put it all on the kids, and then the men start to feel inferior, like they don't care about them anymore, and all that jazz. Good mothers will put everything and everyone behind the needs and wants of their kids after all, and I don't think I'd do that.
I think I'd continue to put everything I have into my husband, and neglect the kids. Because the most important thing to me in life is doting on whoever I'm dating/married to. So that's why I think I'd be a bad mom. My kids would always come second in my life to my husband. If the house was on fire, I'd save my husband before I'd save my kids.

>>18177631
Look, I love a good foot rub and stuff, so I'd cater to it provided we did other stuff as well. I'm fine with it, although I don't find it arousing.

>>18177581
Have you tried going on, or is it too unconfortable?
If I do it gently I can usually squeeze another orgasm from my gf

Also, I guess it's only on your clit, so why don't you try prone bone? The gentle squeeze of the mattress should feel great on your clit and you can take the pounding

>>18177623
lack of trust is also the reason you don't feel the sex to be good enough. Nothing can be done without changing it

>>18177633
do you mean like paying an indian girl to carry your eggs? that's not the worst thing in the world I guess

and that is p kawaii

but I think it changes when you actually have kids
see, the guy's kids are part of him. To a guy (esp a trad guy), his kids are his legacy. They are way more important than his trivial life, bc they will propagate his genes and memory into the future.

So I don't think the guy will necessarily feel inferior if you love the kids more, bc he will see them as an extension of himself

That said you def have to make sure you give him lots of cuddles and sex and good food to make him feel special.

>>18177608
Yeah I know, but thats why I'm not looking for anything as concrete as marriage right now at 22. I just want to not be one of a dozen nsa fwb's. I want just want a relationship that could grow into a marriage possibly. It doesn't have to in the end of course, but I need to start trying to work towards that goal and meeting people with similar goals and see if we're a good match.

Thanks anyway man. I know my aversion to kids is gonna limit my dating pool. I was hoping that so long as I was open to adoption and surrogacy that might cushion the blow a bit.
I can understand why guys would want their own genes and such so thats why I'd throw surrogacy on the table, but I don't understand why I have to be the one to carry it and spit it out. Still our genes, and I get to keep my hot body that he fell in love with. Sounds like a win win to me.

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>>18177612
Pic related are average Huezilian girls. Are you sure you'd date them?
>super big boobs
Those are really rare here (rarer than in US or Europe). They are all fake.

>>18177616
I'm not implying anal, but if you were sexy, I'm pretty sure guys would want to fuck you. At least I would.
There's that meme that fat girls give the best oral because they are so desperate. Maybe you're being used like that?

>>18177649
>but I don't understand why I have to be the one to carry it and spit it out

>>18177639
Yeah, that solution seems obvious I know lol, but I just lost my virginity to him recently, and it wasn't really a fun time exactly because I wasn't aroused enough after waiting around for me to be less sensitive. I had to pull him out after about 3 minutes because it hurt too much and I was too dry. Finished him with oral.
We've tried again a couple times since, but havent had much of a different experience, and I'll admit I'm a little traumatized I guess from the first time because I suddenly have much less pain tolerance.
Pain is always worse when you know it's coming lol.

We can try that position I guess, but the sensitive sensation is the whole pussy, not just the clit. I think I'll try and just push through it next time, but it's just so dang uncomfortable being touched right after cumming, I imagine especially so with that much surface area being touched with the dick going inside you know? Might just end up being another 3 minute excursion that leaves me feeling like shit because I can't please him properly.

>>18177640
maybe so but I don't know if I can change that.
I might feel comfortable if I ever marry a guy to rely just on only 2 forms of BC and ditch the 3rd form, condoms. But until then, I guess I'd rather have good safer sex than mind blowing risky sex.

>>18177649
We are GENETICALLY PROGRAMMED to find qtie, impregnate her with our baby butter and decent guys even the raise up and provide part. That is our only reason to live. Some realize this sooner or later but that is what life is about.

And for the love of god, stop thinking you have to fuck first and date later. With this approach you wont ever make it. Decent guys can wait a little. And remember to try a bit older dudes who might even be responsible.

>>18177665
The 1st and 2nd one from left look like qties ready to marry me. The rest also looks decent enough. Just some of their faces looks somewhat manly. But ask me after 7days of no fap and I would go with any of them.

The exotic meme is real man.

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People made fun of me and felt pity for me about never kissing / having any intimate contact at 19. How do I avoid that topic if it ever comes up? I can't say "let's change topic" since it'd only lead to the same result.

>>18177694
Tell them that if they are real friends, they will help you set up something so you can kiss some girl.

Or just tell them to fuck off and find better friends who wont make you insecure at purpouse in every moment.

>>18177688
THREE forms? what is the third?

Is five months into a relationship too short of a time to give your partner a promise ring?

>>18177712
I'm really curious, what is this promise ring thing? We don't have that in Australia, really?

>>18177645
Yeah, but it'd actually be someone more carefully selected. Hell, I've had a couple friends even say they would do it for me. Though of course, who knows if they'd change their mind in the future lol.
Still though, it'd be a carefully selected person just because you want to be able to trust them to like, eat well and not do drugs and shit lol.
But yeah, in the end it would still be my egg and his sperm. Therefore 100% our child biologically.
But I was just saying all that stuff about the husband starting to feel inferior because that actually is a pretty common problem in couple's later years of their marriages.
Hell, my parents are still together and are one of the only couples I know to have never been divorced AND still be happy with one another overall.
But even they had this rut after my older sister (and their oldest kid) went off to college. My mom started getting hit with the empty nest feeling, despite my ass still being there lol, and really shifted her focus onto me and my sister. If my dad so much as scolded us, usually for something we deserved to be scolded for 2bh, my mom went full mama bear on him. They'd fight all the time about us, because my dad could not say a single negative thing about us even when justified without my mom getting super defensive. I swear, my senior year when my mom started to realize her last kid was on the way out too, I seriously thought there was a divorce right around the corner. They were eventually able to work it out with a little self help counseling type thing, but that was my dad's biggest complaint in his marriage at that point. My mom cared more about the kids than him, and he said he felt like she had no more love left to give to him when she was done loving us.
Glad they stuck it out, and I think most do work this out without completely breaking up in the end, but still this experience is not all that uncommon or extraordinary. I see it brought up in the divorce court shows all the time.

>>18177713
It's one of the most powerful artifacts ever created in Middle-earth, crafted by Sauron in the fire of Orodruin.

>>18177719
Where can I get one, I'd love a ring of power. Do I need the boyfriend? Or can I get myself unlimited corrupting power?

>>18177722
no, it only counts if it's given to you. Boyfriend is a must

>>18177732
Aw. Where can I get one of those then? I'm cool with becoming a righwraith.

>>18177665
>Maybe you're being used like that?
god yeah, I will openly admit when I was much heavier I was like that. I jumped for anyone because I felt like I should be gracious they're even giving my fat ass the time of day. Fat chicks are easy, because they know they may never get another chance.
But as I lost weight my self esteem did improve. I now have some standards at least. I don't settle for completely obese or ugly guys. I genuinely do feel like I have some worth and value.
Though lately yes, I have been settling again because the loneliness is wearing on me.

>>18177737
*ringwraith

>>18177737
if you don't look like a wraight yet, chances are you'll find one here or there. They mostly gather in taverns, but random encounters basically anywhere are not uncommon

>>18177737
a boyfriend?
convenience store
the ring?
depends on how good you are at sucking dick.

>>18177749
>convenience store
aka /soc/

>>18177747
I'm no harlot, I don't go to taverns. I'm too busy going on adventures.

>>18177693
Yeah I know, but I also feel like some people just arent meant to follow that code. There are dudes out there that have no desire for kids either I know.

I'm just not sure which is the answer anymore. Waiting around forever for this "decent" guy, or doing what I can for now, which is playing the game according to the rules that have been set by the majority of players.
I just never feel right sitting around, twiddling my thumbs and just waiting. I feel like I have to actively be doing something at all times or else I have no reason to complain.

>>18177762
then you need cross your paths with an adventurer. I happen to be one, but oh, outrageous fortune! I live in a distant land and travel to lands uncharted. Good luck tho.

>>18177711
It varies, the 2 static forms have always been that I'm on the pill, and I always require a condom.
The third is sometimes spermicide, sometimes its just as easy as asking him to pull out before he cums. I've tried the sponge a couple times, but I avoid it now unless I'm feeling really cautious because last time I used it I almost lost the string to pull it out and it scared the fuck out of me.

Later in life the third method would probably be getting my tubes tied or having him get a vasectomy if he's willing and we're in a long term relationship.

I know I probably sound insane right now lol. I'm just REALLY spooked about pregnancy. Probably moreso than I am about STDs.

>>18177763
we are not genetically programmed to have any desire for habing kids though. The only mechanisms we have are activated once we already *have* a child. And it must smell right (be genetically related to us, that is). Expect many men to be disgusted by toddlers, but like their own kid. And even though they never expected that.

>>18177762
>I'm no harlot
This is what the best harlots usually say
I'm kinda turned on a little.

>>18177783
Eh yeah but I don't wanna gamble on a kid like that.
What if the kid pops out and I still hate it? I can't go back from there, I'm stuck with it and it will have a horrible life knowing their mother wants nothing to do with them. As I said, I'd probably fuck a kid up and be a terrible mother. I think it's more responsible for the good of the human race to not risk it and only have a kid when I'm confident I'd actually want it before I had it, than spit out a future serial killer with mommy issues.

What do I do on a date? I'm a fairly sociable person when I'm around my friends, but one on one with someone I dont know very well is completely different. I dont really know how to make small talk, I'm better at the deeper conversations. Like what I think about a theme in a certain movie or the writing style in a book. The thing is, I know small talk is required to get to that point, you cant just go point blank into metaphysics or what they think about the use of color in Breaking Bad (shit examples, but you get what I'm saying) and expect someone else to just jump in with you if theyre not into the same things.

I guess I dont know how I learn about someone else without feeling like I'm interrogating them. How do I get better at the small talk so I can find the deeper things that we could both mutually talk about?

>>18177782
well, you do sound insane, but what do I care? Insane people are ok, I prefer them to normies. Though I'm really surprised you were able to find a guy who agrees on all that, it must ruin the fun for him as well. The good news is that he is almost absolutely certain to never cheat on you - he must really care about being with you in those conditions. So I wouldn't care about STDs if I were you

>>18177789
>What if the kid pops out and I still hate it
Cast reverse entropy and pop the kid right back in.

>>18177713
In all seriousness though, it's the dumbest concept to ever happen.
It's an engagement ring for the engagement ring.
It's literally a ring to say "I'm going to propose to you one day, but not now lol".

Like you might as well just propose. You either know you wanna marry someone or you don't.

>>18177789
that's reasonable. I like people like you.

>>18177631
not the worst kink in the world. I get nothing out of it, but its not something I would be like, morally or physically opposed to humoring, unlike some other things.
And I'd hope in return he'd consider some of my kinks too.

>>18177799
I always considered it to be some demo version of marriage. Like, the safe period whe you can still bail out without negative consequences of a divorce

It's still dumb, I agree

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Weird question, who do you think loves more? guys or girls?

>>18177812
define love

>>18177812
Love as in emotional attachment, girls
Love as in everything else, guys

>>18177814

When you cant keep your mind on someone else, when you are willing to give everything for this person and even if you know their flaws you will deny it and get mad at the world if anyone brings them up.

>>18177794
Bf never complains. He's pretty chill and understanding.
Though I know the very first time we had sex I asked him to pull out before he came, despite wearing a condom and he did give me a weird look. He did it anyway though, said whatever it took to make me feel comfortable enough for sex to happen he'd do. He knows how anxious I am about sex. I remember the first time I was sexual with him, gave him a handie, he came and had like, touched his jizzy cock and then reached to finger me and I freaked out a little. Told him I know it was incredibly unlikely that I could get pregnant like that, especially since I'm on the pill, but it freaked me out and wanted him to clean up his dick and wash his hands before touching me.
Again, this dude is the most patient fucker I've ever met. Even though he flat out laughed at me when I said this, he did as I asked regardless. And thats how our sexual encounters went for about 4 months. If I got him off first, hed clean up before touching my junk. Most of the time though he just took care of me first to save the hassle.
But I try to keep him in mind too. I could tell by that look he wasn't thrilled with the concept, so thats why I started with the spermicide and sponges.
I am surprised he put up with my shit for so long though. He went from a couple year long relationship with daily sex, to being single for a few years having lots of casual sex, to my virgin ass who wouldn't even touch his dick until we'd been dating for 3 months. We only just started having actual sex about a month ago, and we've been dating for over a year.
I feel bad for not trusting him like that sometimes, but I mean, in my mind my neurotic acts about sex only makes it more likely for him to break and cheat behind my back or something. Who knows, maybe all this time he has been screwing someone else and that's why he can be so patient with me.
I really don't think that's the case but I'd rather be safe than sorry.

>>18177826
you described a binary state. One can either be or not be in this state. Therefore the only possible answer is that we love equally.

>>18177797
kek
>>18177802
Yeah, actually I think I'm the opposite of most people. Everyone hates everyone else's kids but loves their own? I like everyone else's kids but would likely hate my own lol.
I like kids, but I don't like kids 24/7. I like other people's kids because I know I can just pass them off on the parents as soon as I stop liking them or they start getting shitty.
I'm going into teaching, so I also see a lot of what happens when you're a shitty parent. When you're a shitty parent, EVERYONE ELSE has to deal with that. My problem students suck ass and I know they're probably just gonna land in prison after graduation. I don't wanna feed more kids like that into society.

>>18177831

Well who do you think is more intense in this state? as if more prevalent and solid.

I think guys

>>18177810
Thats what the engagement is lmao. Its the trial marriage without the consequences of divorce. You can bail out of an engagement with zero repercussions, other than maybe losing an expensive ring. But most women give their engagement rings back unless they're super bitter or you were cheating.
(Funny story, my mom's diamond on her first wedding ring was the diamond off my dad's ex fiancee's engagement ring kek. My mom was pretty salty about that, but went along with it since she got to choose her own band. It got stolen eventually though.)

You don't need a "promise ring" because that's exactly what an engagement ring is lol.

>>18177828
christ, girl.
you must have some truly fantastic and unique personality. Or a couple million dollars or something.
Keep in mind that being too safe can also make you sorry one day. Life is brutal, you know

anyway, best wishes.

>>18177839
male is the sex that gives, female recieves and passes on to the others in need. Thus, our love is different. The kind you described seems more masculine, yes. But I consider it likely that's due to you lacking the perspective of the other sex

>>18177845
>It got stolen eventually though
Damn, it's still out there somewhere.

>>18177845
the dude meant exactly an engagement ring, he just didn't know the word

>>18177847
I honestly don't know what he sees in me. I really do not bring much at all to the table. I don't think of myself as anything special, yeah I'm cool and fun but only as much as anyone else.
He says I give bomb ass handjobs though. Maybe they're just that good? lmao.
Says his favorite thing is how I look him in the eye while jerking him off and he can just see how much fun I'm having doing it, and how much effort I put into making him shiver and adapt to every one of his likes and kinks. He says it's hard sometimes because he can just look at me, catch that seductive grin I give him, and he'll cum buckets immediately. He avoids my gaze sometimes to last a little longer he says lol.

>>18177856
Lol my mom's had 3 rings. The first one was stolen, we suspect by the hoodrat neighbor boy we grew up around. Kid got in a lot of trouble with the law when he was young. We invited him over to play and the ring went missing after that.
Second one got lost in a boogie boarding accident in mexico. Mom got pulled under water by some current and the strap around her ankle got caught on something, or something like that. Whatever happened she was frantically trying to get unstuck before she drowned and the ring fell off in the struggle. Probably washed up ashore one day and made some poor mexican dude's week lol.
Dad jokes that this is the last ring she's getting out of him.
>>18177857
oh, understood.

so if a girl and I are clearly interested in each other and getting along really well and we've been talking every day for almost a week straight is it very likely that I'm getting to a point where I'd be annoying by texting her?
I think I text first maybe 3/4 times, but I still do really want to talk to her

>>18177693
My genetic programming failed, then. I don't want to actually impregnated someone, raise kids and that is not my reason to live.

How can you like those slums girls? Do you want to change places with me, anon?

>>18177743
Is your "nickname" on another board "T-chan"? (I'd rather not spell it fully here) If it is, I also saw your thread here almost 1 month ago and I didn't tell anyone.
I think you should keep improving yourself mentally and physically. Right now, it seems guys only consider you cumdumpster/blowjob material.

>>18177525
Not too heavy. Just square. Shes like 160 or 170 5'5 5'6. I mean I can carry her basically. Its just theres no appeal.

>>18177823
What's the "everything else"?

>>18177812
Having dated both men and women, i can say that it's not gendered, it's more a personality and committment thing. Neither gender loves "more", but some people certainly love more than others.

>>18177878
Fatty. I'm a guy of that height and I weigh 40 lbs less. I'm not even skinny.

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>>18177871
Shhh, don't give away my secret identity anon!
Though I know my disguise must be Clark Kent's glasses since I'm easily sniffed out.

>>18177871
>My genetic programming failed, then. I don't want to actually impregnated someone, raise kids and that is not my reason to live.
classic misunderstanding. It in not what you *consciously* percieve to be your reason to live. But don't you like sex? I also bet you would care for a kid, even if for a little while

>>18177886
I won't. :)
I wish I knew someone like you. I'd date you, make you lose weight, fuck your vagina. You have some assets that I like.

>>18177890
Yes, I like sex. I would care for a cat, but I'd rather throw a kid or any other animal away, specially dogs.

>>18177900
and the situatuion would change abruptly once you'd give birth to your own child. You would care for it (and likely only for it). It's something you cannot predict, but science can

I actually have 2 questions to both genders:

>Your gender
>What is flirt? And by that I mean the mood of the conversation. Should I just talk to girl and keep the conversation as neutral as possible? Or rather be direct and compliment her a lot, possibly in humorous way? Or should I rather playfully mock/tease her?

Seriously, I have the courage to talk to girls and I often do, but what I'm actually supposed to say or even the general direction of the conversation is a fucking mystery.

>>18177907
guy
flirt means you jokingly say mildly sexual stuff. For example "does the carpet match the drapes?" is flirty. Neutral conversation won't show your interest, therefore not sparking any interest in your interlocutor. Of course don't go full retard and don't ask what colour their panties are right off the bat, or something like that. It is supposed to be so mild you can always laugh it off, claiming you weren't serious.

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>>18177039
>is its in broad day light and there's usually plenty of witnesses around in case they end up being a complete wackjob.

>TFW when I fucked up with a girl because of me being oblivious with this

>go on lunch for first date
>goes well
>we want to see each other again
>said she never been to the river
>tell her i'd love to take her to the river next week
>she agrees
>reminds during the week me via text about how the weather is going to be nice
>day before
>asked her if she liked dark chocolate
>says its ok
>tell her I don't really like it but tried it anyways and it was good
>asked her if she wanted to try them
>"Sure I'm up for it lol!"
>few hours later texts me saying her sister found out about my age
>she freaked out
>told her to only go somewhere within 10 mins walking distance from campus
>go to different place for date instead
>tells me our age is gonna be an issue
>I personally had a good time and it looked like she did to
>give her a hug and tell her i'd text her later to figure out something for next week
>gives me that look and says mmm idk....
>ghosted me


I think if I never mentioned the chocolate I would have been golden. It dawned on me later that I was basically asking an 18 y/o to meet me at the river at 9AM in the morning and that I would bring chocolates to try. That sounds sketchy as fuck. But in my mind I just wanted to go for a walk and spend time with her there since she had never been and didn't want to be around a lot of people. Fuck....

>>18177936
we've already heard that boring bullshit.
Also, it's completely unrelatd

>>18177965
How is it unrelated?

>asking someone to go to an isolated place with few people around on a 1st /2nd date

>>18177776
why can't all of /adv/ be this

Been talking to a few girls and all of them have fallen through, except one. The last one left is cute, but I'm not "super" attracted to her. She is cute, but she is rather petite and doesn't have a strong sexual appeal to me. I asked her out about a year ago, but it never went any where, lately we have been seeing each other and she has been giving me signs that she is interested. I am really horny. Should I ask her out and see where it leads or should I wait till I find a sexually attractive girl and start talking to her?

Thoughts?

>>18177812
Both genders sacrifice even their lives.

Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

>>18178030
wtf has bible to do with all this?

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>>18177422
W A S H I N G T O N D. C.

>>18178033
That both man and woman are made in the image of God. And God is love.

>>18178038
/b/ is meant for trolling, not much here to achieve in this respect

>>18178038
We don't need religious lunatics in this thread.

>>18178034
About a 12 hour drive off dear anon.

If a man smiles at woman and she smiles genuinely back, does it mean she's attracted to him? Or just glad to have a genuine smile?

>>18178077
Smiling at someone who smiles at you is a completely normal thing to do and doesn't mean anything, you autist.

>>18178081
I mean a genuine smile not a compulsory one

Google the test if you can't tell the difference

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>>18178088
>Google the test
>>18178081
Dude he thinks theres a test to tell if a smile is genuine or obligatory lmao. Autism man, not even once.

>>18178095
Do it though
Find out

>>18178098
I looked at it and lol'd. The dude was just smiling bigger in the "genuine" smile and they pretended like that was some huge tell tale sign.
I can smile bigger at random people if I wanted lmfao. There is no way to tell if someone's smile is "genuine" or not, because everyone smiles differently.

>>18178103
It's not about the bigger smile you autist
It's about the eyes

>>18178109
Yeah, because you smiled bigger your eyes scrunched up. It's not rocket science. Doesnt mean small smiles are fake lmao.

>>18178095
this guy doesn't get that pretending to smile looks different than smiling genuinely

>>18178088
this guy doesn't get that you can actually fake a perfect real-like smile provided you know what actually constitutes a smile

>>18178119
Thats exactly what I was saying though man, you can't tell a real from a fake because it is easy as hell to fake.
Of course when you give the dead fish eyes and do a slight little flash of a grin you look fake. But literally fucking everyone knows how to smile genuinely and therefore know how to fake it.
Its harder to make a fake smile actually look fake than it is to make a fake smile look genuine.

>>18178016
Help, is it worth it to date a girl who you're not 100% attracted too?

>>18178124
it's not that easy. There is a lot of body language involved and other complicated stuff. Don't believe me if you choose so, who cares

>>18178125
As someone who is insecure and in your same shoes, I feel just as miserable.
I fucked around with a fat dude even though I had zero attraction to him because I was lonely, and guess what. The sex sucked, I feel worse than ever about my chances at getting a dude who I actually like in all forms, and the worst part of it all is because he is actually a really nice dude and I feel like a cunt for basically just using him.

So you'll probably feel like an asshole for using this chick as a cheap lay when you really just want a hotter chick if she is even remotely nice.

>>18178128
It really is man, if you're not completely autistic at least and understand the very basics of human communication and body language.
That "lot of body language" you're talking about is common textbook shit for normal people and can handle it just fine. It's the only way to get through a job interview lmao.

Women, WHAT DO YOU WANT?!?!

>>18178129
Damn, thank you for your reply. I think I'll still ask her out, perhaps her personality will make up for her lack of *cough* assets *cough*. But if it doesn't I'll just try to find someone I'm more attracted too

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>>18178136
Blood sacrifice.

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>>18178138
>thanks for your reply, but I'm just gonna disregard the advice anyway
Whatever man, sounds like you made up your mind before you even got here.
Do yourself a favor and just offer to be fuck buddies first then, so then you won't hurt her as much when you dump her ass the second a hotter chick walks past your face.

>>18178142
I'm taking your advice to heart, I never said i would fuck her if her personality didn't match up. I've had sex with women who I didn't have a connection too and it was shit. I really do appreciate your advice tho. I want intimate passionate sex and I don't think I can get that unless I feel a connection, I'm not manuel ferrara.

>>18178136
Same things men want. A happy, fulfilled life, someone to love who loves them, sex, food, you know. The basic human stuff.

>>18178151
Whoa, so you are saying women and men are not so different?

>>18178157
It's almost like we're the same species.

>>18178148
Yeah but thing is, to have a successful relationship you need both physical and emotional attraction.
Otherwise again, the second a hotter chick walks by that you have even a remote connection to you'll drop this girls ass immediately, and she might have already gotten attached to you in both ways, while you only ever gave her one piece of your attention.
At least be up front with her, tell her you aren't physically attracted to her but want to try anyway.

>>18177680
Maybe your pain has more to do with your virginity than orgasms then. It's completly normal to few pain the first few times, so don't make it something bigger than it is. Always, ALWAYS wait until you're wet enough for it too. Maybe your insistence to try it dry has hurt you a bit in the inside so try a break if you haven't yet.

Regarding sensibility, normally it's felt more around the clit after orgasm, specially if it was rubbed. Some girls are one and done, and have to wait too long until having another one. This does not seem to be your case if you're ready to go again after a short while. Just vary a little bit to keep things hot and you should be able to continue shortly.

So I ended up going out with those 2 high school girls. They hung around until it was closing time and we went to the beach at 11 at night. I bought them some cruisers and we drank a bit.

Afterwards I drove one of them home but the other ended up crashing at my place. We didn't do anything sexual but she's asleep on my couch right now.

Do I make her breakfast or something or what the fuck do I do?

>>18178172
Prepare a full bowl of eggs for her to eat when she wakes up.

Recommendations on how to stop over thinking?
This girl I've been kind of seeing shows a lot of interest in me some days, asks how my day is going, really touchy feely, spooning, hand holding, all that shit you can assume she is interested.
However the past couple of days she just doesn't seem to care too much, no flirting, hardly carries on with a conversation those kinds of things.
I know I'm over thinking but it definitely feels bad, any tips on how to not over think a situation that's probably normal?

xyz

>>18178169
Well, our attempts were always spaced. Like I lost the ole v card a little over a month ago I think, and we've only tried 4-5 times since. Always been a few days to a week between.
Sucked because of all prep work I put into with the spermicide and sponge for him to never actually even get to risk cumming in me.
Also, it's not like I haven't used tampons or been fingered, which I know are smaller than his dick but still. My vagoo wasn't completely new to the experience of something being shoved up there.
Yeah it hurt the first couple thrusts on the first time, I expected that much, but it wasn't unbearable until I'd just dried up completely.

Honestly the shitty part about my orgasms is they come so fast compared to the cool down period. Like it'll take me 30 seconds to cum, but then 5 minutes to be ready again.

>>18178180
Repeat after me "fuck girls, they are nothing but a wet hole. Fuck girls, they mean nothing to me. Fuck girls, they are below me" Keep repeating that. it helps me to realize they really don't matter to me and thier actions have no effect on me.

>>18178194
I can no longer tell whether it's troll or such people actually exist

>>18178192
5 minutes to go again? Wanna switch? A guy will take somewhere around 20 minutes do cum again if lucky

Just chill, this cooldown is completly fine. Some women have them, some don't at all, and some can only cum once. You're still learning stuff, but I can assure you that as long as you don't panic and overthink simple things as that, sex will only improve.

And give a try to gentler touches down there. As long as it doesn't hurt, insist for a bit and see where it takes you. Beware though to try it somewhere you have space to flail around like a fish out of the water and where you can scream from pleasure, and don't worry about cumming again, just indulge in this feeling. I love to do my gf flail around like that.

>>18178199
When you are constantly worrying about whether a girl will text you back or why she flaked on your plans for a date, it's one of the only things you can do to remain strong. Women are concerned about not hurting your feelings and will act like they are interested when they are not. They don't realize this hurts more than them just saying "no" in the first place. Thing is tho, that they have to say "yes" even if they don't mean it because there are some guys out there that don't take no for an answer. They get all argumentative or confrontational, so to avoid this women say "yes" even if they don't mean it. Men have to desensitize themselves other wise they will be beat down by all the fake "yes" replies women give them. It's a fucking catch 22.

girls, what exactly does it feel like when a guy ejaculates inside of you?

>>18178208

bags of sand

>>18178208
milky coins

>>18178202
Hah yeah, but I'd be willing to bet your orgasms are far more fulfilling than mine at least. Takes nothing to get there, lasts half a second, feels good but mine never seem as big a deal as his. They way he groans and breathes heavy and shit after he cums and just sits there for a whole minute like his mind is blank and he's trying to figure out who he is and where he's at, I'd kill for a bit of that.
Instead though, I can squeeze out about 3 alright orgasms in one session.

But anyway the issue isn't so much the cool down as it is about being wet/dry in various states of sex. Its that in those 5 minutes when I can't touch anywhere below the belt, I just start to lose the momentum and dry up. But I'm too dry to penetrate until after I cum once anyway. I'm probably just gonna have to find a lube I can tolerate.
But yeah, probably just gonna need some more experimentation.
I was kind of hoping there was some sort of pill or diet or something that would make me secrete more though lol.

And I just feel kind of bad. He's been so good to me, so patient and tolerant of my weird shit. He hasn't even been able to cum once through penetration on me because I have to back out before he's even close. I feel bad making him have to work with me even more trying to find out what works for me, since he's far more experienced and already knows exactly what he needs to do for himself.

>>18178208
Honestly, not that different from my period. Thickish liquid seeping out over time.
But I suppose in the exact moment of ejaculation, idk ever have an enema? Its just a small amount of liquid being squirted in.

>>18178219
What do you do in those 5 minutes? Just sit there?
Keep the sexual energy going by kissing him or sucking his dick or nipples or watching some porn together to try and maintain your arousal.

>>18178180
What helps me in situations where I overthink, or when I start getting paranoid about something is by writing it down in a certain way.

Get a notebook and on one side write, "what I think is happening"

And write down all your paranoid thoughts about whatever you are feeling. So in your case
- She hates me
- She is probably never going to text me again
Blah blah etc, rant it out

Then on the other side of the paper, write "what is actually happening"

And think about the situation is really rationally and write what you think is actually happening right now. So for you something like;

- She is probably busy with work/school
etc

I use this technique a lot to deal with my anxiety
Sorry if its lame
But it helps me to realise that sometimes what i think is happening, is actually very irrational

>>18178227
Well I mean we usually do make out or I jerk him off, but that just doesn't really do much for me to keep me moist lol. Yeah it's hot, but I just seem to only be keeping wet as long as theres direct stimulation to my clit.

>>18178219
Girl, you're still learning your body. Men have it easy but women have SO much potential. Whatever he has, you're fully capable of having yourself but multiple times.

Wetness is kinda like an erection. If you start to get too worried and self concious about it, it'll go away, which will only make you more worried and self concious and so on.

For instance, me and my gf had sex with another girl recently. She insisted that she could only cum a few times and not to strong, which really weirded us out, because we had sex with her before and she did cum a lot. So when we went to bed again, we started to jokingly count how long she took each time and how many she was having. She had like four intense orgasms in 30mins, and the first came within the first 5, while she insisted that she took ages to cum shortly before.

So you see, sometimes what you think you're experiencing is biased by your self conciousness and worries. Try to let that go and work with your bf. If you really think you can't get touched after cumming, do as guys do and simply start over: roll back a bit to foreplay, tease him, blow him, play with your tits with his help and get distracted. You'll see how 3 to 5 minutes are really nothing bad at all.

>>18178231
Yeah. That's basically the problem is that I know full well I'm being irrational.
I'm not a super popular guy and haven't gotten much affection from other girls, so I just end up super depressed because this girl doesn't fulfill my crazy fantasies.
I also know that I'm crazy and unreasonable but I know better to keep it contained and what not because I can't seem like a nut job. But in turn that makes me depressed. Very fun.

>>18178239
I guess it's just an experience thing and you're body will become more tolerant as time goes on.

>>18177560
This happens to me as a guy. In social situations I can find women attractive or not attractive, but I don't start to get any feelings of genuine romantic attraction until I get a hint of interest from them, a flirty line of conversation, a look that lingers a bit too long, etc. If that happens I start getting that feeling.

>>18178240
>>18178247
I suppose lol. I've just been masturbating since I was 10 and it's always been like this.

I'll just have to press his patience and figure it out then. I'd like to think I'm pretty relaxed with him, I mean, I trust him more than anyone else in the world really. But this is still newer territory for me, and sex in general has always made me anxious. It'll get better over time I'm sure.

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>>18177000
>dinner
>movies
>lunch
>coffee/ice cream
>zoo/aquarium
>museum/art gallery
>drinks

I don't drink.

coffee/lunch/ice cream is preferred for early dating
movies is ok whenever
going out for dinner is only really for special occasions in my opinion
zoo/aquarium/museum/gallery is for when you know each other better
i don't drink much and i only really do it when i'm with friends, not out with strangers or alone with one other person

Why do people ever consider going to the cinema to be a good way of spending a date?
I mean, unless you ignore the movie and start making out, you are not contacting with each other.
So you either lose the movie or the time together, right?

>>18178172
>She woke up
>She had a shower
>I made her french toast while she was in the shower
>We spoke a bit over breakfast
>I drove her him
>She kissed me on the cheek
>She said she wants to do it again sometime

Am I making a mistake? She's 16 and I'm 27.

>>18178305
Its good for the more introverted types.
I often feel the pressure of having to constantly keep up conversation on the first date to be too much for me.
Having the movie is good for me because it gives me time to recharge, and after I have an easy no brainer conversation topic.

>>18178311
Dude you're gonna get v& what the fuck lol.

>>18178333
I'm in Australia and the age of consent here is 16.

Women, have you ever fell for a male friend of yours?

I know this sounds like the typical friendzone hopeless guy story, but I was just wondering how common (or uncommon) that actually is.

Recently we went out drinking with some mutual friends and we came back to my place to drink some more. This isnt anything new, done it tons of times together. She gets way too drunk and eventually she kind of just curls up and puts her head on my lap and we talk about how we both have been pretty lonely lately but she says shes envious I'm talking to this girl now and soon she'll be the only one alone, I've got one arm around her legs and the other on her head and I'm just absentmindedly running my hands through her hair, rubbing her head and she eventually falls asleep. I sit there for a bit a little annoyed but I dont want to wake her up, Ive had bad experiences waking up drunk people so I sit there and eventually pass out myself. I wake up a bit later and she's curled up still. It was a strange moment, looking down at her, this weird brotherly urge to protect her came over me, it was a nice feeling, I dont have a sister or niece of my own or anything. She wakes up, I drive her home and thats it.

She was a bit embarrassed the next day as she was asking me for details for the night's events but I assured her she did nothing crazy, just busted her ass on the way to the bathroom. Ever since though she has acted a bit different. She texted me all the next day and called me as well, just to talk, she's never done that in the two years knowing her. We talked for almost two hours and im embarrassed to say we both didnt realize it. She's real anxious to find out what im doing and and who im hanging with. She called me today again but after I told her Im going on a date she seemed pretty urgent to hang up and that she would text me later to find out how it went but she never did. Am I reading things wrong here? It seems like strange behavior. Should I do anything?

>>18178340
That age gap is still hella creepy though. You're with a child and you're almost 30 damn years old.

>>18178340
Mate you're a fucking idiot. The age of consent is 16 but you can still get done for statutory rape if you are over 18, and 27 is well past the age where you should find high school girls even passably good company.

>>18178311
There's something wrong with you. Normal 27 year olds have nothing in common with 16 year olds.

>>18178371
>>18178378
I run a fast food shop that's near where a bunch of teenagers hang out after school. Many of them come in to get chips or burgers and some of them talk to me. >>18173948

>>18178381
>I run a fast food shop
>at 27
Oh never mind, your life is going nowhere anyway.

>>18178384
Hey man I co-own it with my mate and have for the last 5 years. Not only that, but by exploiting middle class teenager's with their parents money demographic we managed to stay profitable during the recession. Can you say the same?

>>18178389
Oh wow, you're totally not a loser despite the fact that the only girl you can get is 16.

for both girls and boys

how do you feel about analingus? both giving and receiving

>>18178392
He may be a loser socially, but he sounds like he's doing pretty OK financially.

So I help this girl with math and recently her result got better and she kissed me in the lips, it started as just a peck then became full blown making out, tongue, saliva, her arms around my neck, I had to stop her to catch my breath, I was caught off guard, definitely did not see that coming. Then I joked she should blow me if she passes the course. And she got upset lol, like watery eyes upset, not just furrowing brow upset. Wtf do I do now, she's very attractive which is why I do this in the first place but I really didn't expect her to kiss me after her first test result is out. Also I genuinely want to help her with math, too. She didn't study much before all this (typical popular Stacy) I think it would be a pity if she has to drop out. I'm still looking for at least a handjob or two though.

>>18178431
Boy here
Giving: none of the girls I bedded sounded much interested in anything anal related except a finger, at most. I'm not sticking my tong in their pooper unless they were properly prepared for it, so I never did it. It's ok I guess, but I have so much more fun with everything else...

Receiving: ew gay. And my ass is hairy af. Might as well lick steel wool.

>>18178486
Just apologize and say that the joke was in poor taste. Nothing else you can really do.

Girls... Classic insecurity question. Trans girls too I guess because this specifically applies to one.

I've got an online girlfriend (pathetic I know) that I'm meeting and she likes strong tall guys alot. Well she thinks I'm attractive but she doesn't know that I'm not tall. I'm only 5'9 barefoot. I'm really afraid that when we meet it'll leave a bad first impression.

Should I try to casually slip my height into a conversation sometime? If it was something you were particularly attracted to, could this be a deal breaker? She's amazing and I feel like she's just not going to be into me in person.

>>18178494
I did haha.

>>18178510
Then you just have to give her some time. She'll either get over it or she won't.

>>18178352
sounds like she's into you, from the way you're telling it

>>18178445
He didn't ask us about his finances.

>>18178500
All the guys I dated but one were 6'4"+ and athletic. That one exception is my husband.
The one I've married, the only one I've ever had sex with, is 5'7" and skinnyfat.
It doesn't matter that much.

Talk to her beforehand, just for the sake of honesty, but it's fine.

>>18178582
>the only one I've ever had sex with

kek liar

>>18178500
Consider this, if she's shallow enough to completely disregard everything else about you and what you both share just based on your height, she isn't worth shit.

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Girls

How horny do you get during your period? Enough to fuck any decent looking guy who hits on you?

>>18178601
>How horny do you get during your period?
Depending but usually very.

>Enough to fuck any decent looking guy who hits on you?
Fuck no. It doesn't mean I take leave of my sense or judgement.

Im balding but have a beard. Should I keep the beard or shave it and my head. using a low haircut right now but that will only last like another year or 2.

>>18178610
Bald and a beard is cringe as fuck.

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>>18178615
really?

>>18178618
Yeah that's pretty gay.

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>>18178618
>he thinks this looks good

>>18178604
How do girls handle this usually?

>>18178620
I mean with hair I felt like I looked better. But balding has fucked over my confidence completely.

>>18178621
Handle what exactly? Being horny? Try to convince boyfriend (if with one at the time) or just fap. Being horny doesn't mean we go out and fuck some random guy, we don't rely as heavily on sex with someone as guys do. We're fine doing it on our own.

>>18178627
Jason Statham it.

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Asking Femanons:
I seriously believe now, that when a girl happens to be looking at you at least twice, then you interest her, and that if she doesn't like you in any form you won't be seeing her staring more than once which was just happening to meet her eyes.
And I mean literally "twice" if not more.

The reason I believe this because in many occurences I noticed various things but here is what I've seen from girls I am 100% sure were interested in me:

-They don't like when a guy catches them staring(some of them)

-They actually know "you know" they stare at you or will make sure you do notice.

-For some reason they expect you do something in return because they will just stare or at best wink, and never make any more obvious move.

It wasn't that obvious before, because all I had were bland signs that didn't mean shit where some chick looks behind or I catch her looking then I think it's just my imagination, but...it happens various times.
Of course I still thought it was just me but, every time eye contact happened more than once, then that particular girl would always either happen to stare again or get near me at some moment.(happened with various girls)

My current date went as far as waving her eyebrows in a slutty way to get my attention, literally saying " I like you".

This is when I realized that all of what happened before( even when girl seemed uninterested or too hard to approach but still made some form of contact) was not random.

Now tell me if I am just retarded and simply overthinking it or not.
Because it's always the same fucking pattern:

1- Girl notices you, tries hard to not get catched looking at you, but keeps looking.

2- Said girl will get near you the next time she gets a chance.

3- She tries to get you to notice her somehow.

So now I have this theory that when eye contact happens more than once, it's no coincidence and if she isn't interested she won't be looking more than once.

>>18178629
>we don't rely as heavily on sex with someone as guys do. We're fine doing it on our own.

Hey speak for yourself, I'm a guy and masturbate erryday.

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>4.5" girth

should I just kill myself?

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After how many dates should I ask a girl if she wants to be my girlfriend?

>>18178381
Doesn't matter, what I said stands. You can get done for rape. And I can pretty fairly guarantee you will if their parents get wind of your age. It's creepy af. Nothing wrong with being a cool shop owner who is friendly with the regulars, but high school girls are off limits at your age.

How do I convince an acquaintance that recently became a friend to view me as a potential romantic partner?

It probably would have been best to try in the acquaintance stage but I didn't realize I had these feelings until very recently

Gf and I got in a fight, want your opinion
>both of us nearly 23, dating 2 years now
>when she was 18 there was this guy she had a crush on
>finds out he has a girlfriend
>he asks her to a movie
>she thinks that's a little dateycrossing the line and she suggests something else
>basically he comes and picks her up late into the night under the ruse of "man, we took so long thinking of what to do and now the movie started/most cafes are closed"
>"oh hey, I actually have some vodka in my trunk, wanna go shot for shot and just chill?"
>she takes 9 shots
>says she was so drunk she couldn't remember her own name, let alone that he had a girlfriend
>they make out and feel each other up
>next morning she feels like shit and texts him that that's not cool and that they cant do that again
>he says yea for sure
>a week later he tries to hit her up with the same movie thing again
>she goes "what the fuck, no not falling for that"
>he responds "right, like i really had to 'trick' you the first time"

Basically here's my problem: yes the guy's a douche but the way she told the story implied he was completely to blame. I hate dumb bitches who don't take responsibility for their slutty actions/blame alcohol and I told her that straight up. I told her his snide little comment at the end was justified, because it was obvious as fuck that she was being used and she just let it happen, and that she should feel like shit for never even fessing up to the girlfiend.

I don't think this is something to break up over, but I really lost a lot of respect for her. What do?

>>18178697
Flirt, basically.

>>18178702
The blame is pretty equal but come on

>basically he comes and picks her up late into the night under the ruse of "man, we took so long thinking of what to do and now the movie started/most cafes are closed"

She didn't fucking see this as a ruse?

>"oh hey, I actually have some vodka in my trunk, wanna go shot for shot and just chill?"

Or that? She saw the signs but powered through it anyway so she has a fair amount of the blame in this.

>>18178703
Is it not really awkward to flirt with friends? I'm also really bad at this shit while sober but I suppose you can't really give me any advice outside of practice

>>18178715
You don't do it all the time dude, just do it when appropriate. You don't always have to be on game.

>>18178702
If I'm reading this right this happened years before you two were even dating. This is long gone. Why do you even care who's fault it was?

>>18178702
Considering it's your girlfriend, would it have killed you to keep your mouth shut?

>>18178715
Sorry, for clarity: you flirt lightly. What you're doing is letting the other person know that you find them attractive - even though light flirting doesn't necessarily imply that any feelings will develop - and you create a situation where sexual tension can develop, which is what you need to happen if you want to turn a friendship into a relationship after your initial chance has passed.

>>18178714
exactly, man. She said the first thing was a bit odd, but things only got really weird once she was already in his car. My response was
>You could have just said no to drinking, or maybe not drink 9 fucking shots?
Basically accusing her of getting herself drunk just for a free pass at a slutty night, which is a quality I really down upon.

>>18178723
>Considering it's your girlfriend
When someone tells a story of themselves displaying some really shitty behavior and places all the blame on someone else, am I supposed to just smile and nod just because I'm fucking them? What sort of beta cuck logic is that

>>18178722
I just care that she hasnt matured enough in the past 4 years to realize that she fucked up too. Like I said in the original post, just lost a lot of respect for her that she not only did something like that, but hasn't done any sort of self-reflecting on it.

>>18178732
>When someone tells a story of themselves displaying some really shitty behavior and places all the blame on someone else, am I supposed to just smile and nod just because I'm fucking them? What sort of beta cuck logic is that
You can disapprove of her behaviour all you want, but what did you gain from voicing it? You caused a fight over it, but you're not going to break up with her over it. What have you accomplished?

You claim she's immature, but you're clearly just as immature. So she engaged in shitty behaviour, she can't change that. If you can't handle that she doesn't see what she did wrong then you're free to break up with her, but you're unwilling to do that. What the actual fuck do you expect her to do? She can't even go back on what she said not to placate you because you know how she really sees it.

Congrats, you've fucked over yourself and your relationship.

>>18178736
This guy also makes a good point. As much as she was a dumb cunt, you've also fucked your shit up too.

>>18178720
>>18178726
Thank you
What is there that I can do to lightly let them know though that isn't just complimenting though?

>>18178702
Put things in their context.
She was 18. Inexperienced and naive.
She has a crush on a guy. He gives her attentions and asks her out. She tries to avoid crossing lines and allowing his cheating, but at the end he sort of tricks her in a situation where she loses her self control. She learns from her mistakes and avoids putting herself in that situation again.


You learn to date as you date. When you start dating you're naive and you don't really know what you're doing. Probably she really didn't mean to harm anyone, she didn't mean to let it happen.

Not saying that she is 100% justified for her actions, but you should at least understand and apologise for treating her so harshly because that's definitely undeserved.

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>>18178726

How2flirt?

>>18178736
What do I gain from letting my girlfriend of 2 years know that I lost a lot of respect for her due to her actions and (much more importantly) her views on the subject?

Uh maybe I was hoping I could express how disappointed I am and hope she matures a little bit and sees that she was also at fault? Every single time we get into fights it's not for the sake of fighting, we always leave them having grown a bit and the relationship gets stronger. Have you ever even been in a long-term relationship?

>youve fucked over your relationship and yourself
kek how? I'm the one giving the cold shoulder, she would love it if I woke her up for makeup sex right now.

>>18178743
I fully agree with you except for
>she learns from her mistakes
she learned that guy was a dick and to stay away. She didnt learn how to avoid similar situations. And she definitely has a big problem with acting appropriately when she drinks. And I mean appropriately by drunk person standards.

Though yes, I will apologize for being so harsh.

>>18178764
>And she definitely has a big problem with acting appropriately when she drinks. And I mean appropriately by drunk person standards.
That's not good. Be ready for some shit dude.

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Boyfriend as of recent is always online on facebook in the active now sidebar.

What does it mean? He has the green status icon day and night, even in the early mornings (4am). I haven't seen him offline once in the past week.

I'm beginning to feel like he's talking to another girl all the time on facebook.

>>18178764
> Every single time we get into fights it's not for the sake of fighting, we always leave them having grown a bit and the relationship gets stronger.
You mean you fight a lot? Wow, sounds like a healthy relationship where you can't communicate dissatisfaction without fighting.

>Have you ever even been in a long-term relationship?
I've been in a relationship for the past 3 years. We don't fight when one of us is unhappy, we have a civil conversation.

And you're making it sound like like being in a relationship for two years is the same as having a successful marriage for 50 years. I stand by what I said about you being just as immature as her. You're children, both of you.

>>18178772
Facebook can also just fuck up you know. Or it's because the app is open on his phone.

>>18178772
... are you sure he's not just leaving his laptop open with a Facebook tab up at all times?

I do that all the time. Not really intentionally, just because Facebook messenger is like a low-key conversation that never really gets going and never really ends.

"Being online on Facebook a lot" is not suspicious behavior.

>>18178780

He doesn't have a laptop or computer, just a phone.

>>18178778
Isn't the app technically always 'open' on your phone unless you force quit it? All my friends use fb on their phones primarily and their active statuses are still very intermittent (e.g. 25mins ago).

>>18178772
some people practically live on facebook. its not that surprising.

>>18178783
It can depend on the phone. Mine keeps its background apps running constantly and connected to the internet all the time. Phones have options to switch it off but most have it on.

>>18178766
You're telling me, man. She has a few problems but I cut her some slack because she had a really rough childhood and just needs someone to love her.

>>18178775
>you mean you fight a lot
saying "every fight ends with the relationship growing stronger" =/= "we fight a lot and it's the only way we can communicate dissatisfaction"

I'm sorry, but you try to sound really high and mighty but just make silly statements based off nothing. Earlier it was "lol you fucked over your relationship, congrats!", then "wow youre implying youve had more than 1 fight? you must fight a lot!", and your last little comment was just as dumb.

There's a certain amount of irony to be appreciated in a man stretching things the best he can in order to insult someone else on the internet, then calling him a child.

>>18178797
Why did you ask a "who is wrong?" question if you weren't open to the idea that you might be wrong?

Im being led on and played with so hard.

Girl im seeing told me the other night while we walked home how it was so nice to finally not be with a douchebag, she deleted her dating apps, and "loves having me around", hints at wanting to get serious, but likes to go barhop with friends and go to houseparties where her friends try and set her up with people. (I would know because her friend tried doing it when a group of all of us went out)

How do i break this thing off? i know im being bullshitted

>>18178801
Oh, I am. The other person who commented saying I owe her an apology was right on most accounts and I admitted that. I don't entertain someone stupid enough to say "why voice concerns ever if you dont want to break up over them" with the possibility of ever being right though.

>>18178772
>>18178772
You can appear as online if you've got an active chathead on your phone even if you haven't opened a chat in hours.

>>18178809
And its not the partying thats an issue. She tells me about all of her cool guy friends. Its a strange situation, shes trying to friendzone me but we still have sex.

>>18178809
What does she say about all this exactly? Ask her about whats going on first before just jumping out.

>>18178745
Jesus. This question is doing my head in because I've never really considered 'how'.

Laugh, smile, tell jokes, tease, be comfortable with touching, don't be shy, give the occasional compliment, develop inside jokes, I don't know.

>>18178852

I literally do this with all the girls I interact with though, apart from touching. I can only touch when I'm drunk enough, and even then it's like hugging/putting my arms around them.

It's just a bit weird to imagine coming on hard to a girl I've been friends with for a long time, and I'm wondering how she would take it.

>>18178821
we talked about it, shes interested in a boyfriend/girlfriend situation but im just not buying it
;'
She told me about her friends trying to set her up with people at bars/parties and I told her its totally fine if she wants to keep things casual seeing as we aren't serious yet but got upset at me saying that.

she was all "you don't get it, Ive been with douchebags and im just tired of it" and how it was nice to be with someone worthwhile.

>>18178857
Flirting is in the intent not the action itself.

>>18178860
kinda sounds like she wants to date you

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>>18178634
I managed to write all this shit and no answer from femanons.

Admit it, society has nothing to do with it.
Women are just manipulative bitches who want to avoid all form of compromise and always get a way to escape.
>never said I liked you sweetie.


FUCKING REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>18178860
When a girl tells you this shit:
A- You're her cuddle friend
B- She wants your dick

>>18178860
I'm F - she want to be with you and you were stupid