NEET / Shut-in Improvement General

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I'm 21 dropped out with 2 years worth of college credits. Currently not working nor am I doing anything productive with my time.
I'm waiting to hit the lowest point of my life so I can enlist and blow my head off with a car bomb or something without affecting the people I once knew.
Am I worth salvaging?

>>17610438

Well that depends, do you want to get out of your current situation? or do you really believe you should wait for the lowest point etc etc...?

You have to choose first.

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>>17609767
Posted this on /fit/ but no one really helped me.

I have 2 exams tomorrow and I'm pretty sure I'm going to fail them both. I've studied, but I still seem to understand the topics. I have a group presentation on Thursday and my group members aren't responding to me. I don't think they like me because I was just put in the group by the professor. I fucking hate my school and my major. I should be done with school by now, but because I dropped a few classes and did part time, I'm very behind in my credits.

I'm broken inside because I let my insecurities stop me from getting a gf. The loneliness has gotten so bad that I pretty "fall in love" with any girl that shows me attention. ffs I fell in love with a fucking lesbian whos in a relationship.

TLDR; I am 23, still a virgin, and I've never had a gf in my life. I'm lost in life and have no clue what my future is going to be like. I'm probably gonna kill myself in the near future.

Lifting doesn't even really help anymore.

I'm trying to improve, but fuck man,
nothing seems to be working.

>>17610482
Read this >>1525200

The best time was yesterday. The second best is now. It's not going to change overnight. Took me years to do it. It's worth it, but don't be negative about it. 23 isn't even that bad, frankly. You're certainly doing better than most NEETs. You only fall in love so fast because you're lonely and desperate. It'll change. Learn to suffer with it for now.

Just focus on yourself for now and figuring things out.

>>17610497
Oops... Go to /biz/ and go to What's your endgame, /biz/? And go to that number. It's at the bottom. Idk how to do the cross post thing. Maybe three >'s?

>>17610482

>>17610497
This


What you fail to understand is that what you feel is normal. Point is to use those feelings to reach those goals(desires). Loneliness is crushing and no one should experience it for long otherwise it turns your brain to gel. So use this to motivate your self.

You probably have bigger issue then just "nogf" and improvement is lengthy process
so join us on discord and lets get to the bottom of that.

>>17609767
Add this to the OP or whatever. If you want to get better I highly suggest reading htis.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MOL822Z70BLJZNmDsVQeB5PEeFCFgpIbVLFkfb5eELw/edit#

I'm gonna be quitting my job soon, and going to switch to virtual mode classes, so maybe I will be NEETing again.

I was thinking of being a wageslave again, but then I kinda want to start a China importing/reselling online business to keep NEETing. I need cash to pay for my college, after all.

How do you NEETs make money to live, besides autismbux?

>>17610503
>>17610497
>>>/biz/1525200

moot literally put the instructions for this in the FAQ.

>>17611232
Online classes are pretty easy. The only hard thing is remembering when the assignments are due. A lot of professors won't remind you, so you have to keep up with the class yourself.

The other bad side is that some professors don't give a shit about online students. I've had some professors take days to reply back to my emails.

but ehh might be different with you.

good luck m8

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>>17610497
>>17610676

I understand I'm not really a NEET yet because I work and go to school, but I just feel like I am getting closer to that stage. I hate my job and want to quit. I hate my school and classes and want to drop out, but I really don't want to disappoint my mom or sister.

The whole nogf/real friends thing is whats stopping me from achieving my goals. I'll try anf get my shit together, but then I'll have thoughts of "oh I'm gonna be alone forever" "no one will ever really love me" and everyone in my life low key hates me".

All those thoughts in my head end up fucking me up and I just get depressed and unmotivated.

>>17611318
Brotendo I tell you this now you're doing a helluva lot better than most of us on this damn site.
If you look at past historical figures you'll find that most great men walked their path alone.(Jesus and Gandhi to name a few...and Adolf)

>>17610438
Hey friend! Im in the exact same boat as you! but besides going to the millitary im just planning on becoming an addict to let my family off easily. They will loose expectations and ill just die.

feels good to know there is someone who is legit in such a similar place to me.

I just quit my job and said bye today about an hour ago.
I was happy all day like this is the last I have to do this, then immediately when I left I cried. I realized I was saying bye to my only friends.

>>17612056
Why did you have to quit?

>>17612081
Well I know I'm not a neet. I turned a lot around lately ,but I am still lonely as fuck and a bit awkward since I was neet for a few years.
I worked 2 jobs. My 1 job that I am keeping is asking I work saturdays and I already worked saturdays so I had to quit. There were only 9 employees there including me.
I also started school this semester. Unfortunately school aint going well for me. I withdrew from one class of the 4 I had cause I was fucking up so bad. I may not continue next semester.

This is my first time on NEET general. Prior to my employment two weeks ago I was NEET for 3 years living in my mother's basement.

Becoming an employee is really stressful and I'm having trouble speaking up and socializing with everyone. I haven't made one friend since I've been there. I come off as awkward and sometimes even scary. I shaved yesterday and I'm hating my new work life. Trying to find out how to make money without being a wagecuck.

Is this a self destructive idea? fill me in /adv/ lmao oh yea and we haven't even started production and I'm already stressing out. Everyone seems to be having fun during training but me.

>>17612104
Wow man.

How old are you?

>>17612120
>I haven't made one friend since I've been there. I come off as awkward and sometimes even scary


iktfb

It took me almost a full year to get comfortable with my friends. Now we're very close with each other.

Just give it time bro

>>17612120
I was the same, it took me a while to open up.
Once the work became natural and needed less focus I started talking more.
wagecuck is the life for me til retirement I think.

As for hating work, thats just how it is. I resigned myself to it, tell myself I'm done when I'm done and I feel better knowing I am more independent and capable of buying a few frivolous things cause I work for it.

>>17612134
25 almost 26. I spent 20-24 as a neet. I kept tacking on more things to my routine. It was a bit overwhelming. I'm still not sure if I am too overwhelmed with school. I may power through it cause I can graduate in 2 years if i work really hard. I know its possible, but I seem to not be doing as good as planned this semester.

>>17612120
btw I also relate to being kind of scary. Some people find me intiminating or unnapproachable, but others do not. Most people know me well enough to have my trust.
Every time there is a bombing or shooting they joke it was me.

Hey, fellow NEET here. I lurked the other thread but figured I'll post now. I've been a NEET/hiki for about 4 years now and I've been slowly working on my shit for a couple of months now - getting outside more, managing my anxiety. So far there's been progress but it's been iffy. I'm considering joining the discord since I'd love to support other anons but do you need a mic to join? I've never used discord before, let alone any sort of chat group.

>>17612153
Whats your major?

I'm 22 and I am in my 5th year of college. I should be done by now but I fucked up on my classes and did part time for a while.

I also hate my major. I'm not sure if I can be an accountant for the rest of my life. I want to quit school, but at the same time I don;t want to be working at my shit job forever.

>>17612170
I have 2 step and a friend I still see about once a year all became accountants. Majoring in account and minor in finance.
My friend does mortgage, but I think he got promoted. He thought it was too easy. My step bro does accounting and says he doesn't do shit til tax season. He just reads at work. Other step bro is working hard to graduate still. It makes me jealous I didnt get a bachelors.

I do manual labor for work and was going to major in music, but since I never took music at school before I dont have any credits towards it.
I fucked up my business writing course and withdrew. not sure why I thought I'd do well considering I am a laborer trying to become a musician.

I may switch to sociology. When I applied I said it was my second main interest.. I only need a year worth of specific credits to meet the requirements while music would take me at least 2 years+.

The only reason I went back to school was to get a bachelors degree. I thought itd be easy and though I had nothing in mind to do with it I just wanted one. Maybe its not reason enough for me to motivate myself, but Ill see next semester I guess and see if i don't fuck up my remaining courses.

I don't know how you guys feel about this, but I'm gonna share what I did every morning: I brainwashed myself.

It sounds stupid, but here's what I did (and still do):

Each morning when I get up the first thing I do is go to the bathroom and look at myself in the mirror. You always look your worst first thing in the morning and this is important, to look your worst.

I look right into my eyes in the mirror. This is important because it helps discipline myself to making eye contact, which bolsters confidence. I say the following to myself:

>I'm alive
>I have value
>I'm have purpose
>The only thing that can stop me is myself
>I will strive to make myself better
>I will strive to help others better themselves

Just one time. That's it. Every day.

Sounded like bullshit to me when I first tried it. I'd roll my eyes at the stupidity of it but figured I'll only do it a month or so just so I can tell people it didn't work.

Well, it started affecting me. I'd notice my hair wasn't combed, so I'd comb it. I'd remember it's been awhile since I brushed my teeth. One day I decided to jump into the shower first before 16 hours of 4chan. I started wanting to improve my body. Once my body improved I wanted to use it. Once I started going out I needed money so looked for work.

Three years later and my life is completely turned around. I'm confident, I moved into my own place, I work, I've even gotten laid a few times (granted mostly escorts but hey...I was a 28 year old virgin, beggars can't be choosers. Besides, it's a work in progress).

Everyone you know is going to tell you that you aren't worth shit.

Stop telling it to yourself and things WILL get better.

Just try it for a month.

>I'm alive
>I have value
>I'm have purpose
>The only thing that can stop me is myself
>I will strive to make myself better
>I will strive to help others better themselves

And keep that eye contact!

Here's hoping you guys make it too!

>>17612170
what I'd want you to take from me is you should continue what you started.
Dont throw the baby out with the bathwater or w/e the saying is.
I believe theres some large % of people who dont end up working in a field related to their major anyway. I know I didn't expect to and still dont, but for some reason I feel like getting a bachelors degree. + i imagined being at school would lead me to some friends.


>>17612233
I just tell myself when needed:

>remember that time you had fun? Maybe tomorrow..

Still routine matters a lot. Doing more positive things matters too, its bad to put it off. Do what you can as soon as you think of it.

>>17612233
Thank you so much for this advice anon, I'm gonna start using it.

>>17612407
No problem.

Don't expect immediate results. It's a process. You will still have to work on it. I'm still working on it and have a lot of confidence issues but over the last few years I'm miles away from who I was.

Oh, and you'll feel like like a fucking asshole the first few times you do it, but don't worry, no one will see you.

>standing in front of a mirror, naked, 50 lbs overweight with a neckbeard and heavy dandruff because I didn't bathe talking to myself in the mirror

Not a pretty sight, ha ha.

Keep up with the other advice people offer you. Don't think of what I said as a way out, but rather as a tool; it's the hammer, not the house, you know?

>>17612446
True that. I was going to criticize your advice a bit, but it grew on me.
I like how it doesn't mention other people. You can't say to yourself you will be loved by others someday. Just love yourself and work on yourself. Expect things from only yourself.

>>17612446
I've been reading about it and I know that it works, many people have tried it and it's been proven it has results.You can choose for yourself what healing positive phrases you want to say. I mean even my mom has been doing it and some things certainly changed for the better for her.

We have no idea how much we can do using the power of the mind.

>>17612233

By the way, when you do this, do you speak the works or just think them to yourself?

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Went to the university. It fucking sucks to be not just a mediocre student, but worst one. Suicide urges are so intense while this crap happens. My intellectual development stuck at the level of 14 year old boy, abstract things can't be comprehended anymore (implying they could ever). I'm failing like shit and still got called as "well you look like you are really good at %subjectname%, aren't you?" Struggling with the simpliest tasks, and people ask me if they done their tasks right. And my answer would be "yeah I suppose". Of course, my grades are the lowest ones.

I'm not sure if I'm being laughed at or that's some vague detail in my speech or appearance that people make assumptions like that.

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>>17612681
Take some time off but don't sit at home all day jerking off. If you have a hobby go do that. Or if you're in the US of A go to any of the legalized state's and smoke some weed.
If you keep pushing yourself you're going to burn out and you're going to be miserable.

>>17610482
Well, you know, exams like that will always exist, if you know you will fail, go and answer everything i a funny way, and end of the story, then got to your house and watch a few movies, or listen to music.

>>17611232
Well, sometimes i just help people with everything they need, that's how i make money, is easy if you want.

>>17611226

I will.

Thanks for the suggestion man.

>>17612056

This happened to me last year. Quit my job because I loathed it but in the last month there, knowing I was leaving felt liberating and made me enjoy being there more. The day after I left, I was stuck in bed all day upset. Now it's 14 months later and I'm still a NEET at 22.

>>17610438
Yes.

There are people living in tin shacks.

Dedicate your life to helping the poor by being a wage cuck for them.
However fucked up you may be, you can still have some small measure of honour and make a contribution to humanity.

>>17609767

>this also provides comfort :

>http://youtu.be/n1hw5jRTYCY

>thank me later

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HeyGuys.
I'm university student and everything's fine enough. But this year students got separated to studying groups based on class subjects, so I am at 4 different studying groups simultaneously. I behave like normal human being in one of them because I like people in this group. But in other 3 groups I behave like autist since I don't like to communicate with people in these groups. And this is fine with me. But some people in these groups started gossips about me as weird and awkward guy. This bothers me since these gossips spread to other people in university. What can I do to stop this without socializing with people in these 3 groups?
Sorry for English, I am from Russia.
Pic unrelated.

>>17614628
This should've been its own thread.

>>17612594
Speak them! Say it LOUD and CLEAR that you are a person with value!

I mean you don't have to yell (unless you want to. I've hyped myself up pretty well into yelling territory before) but just speak in a clear, confident voice.

Help, I'm 23 and NEET.

I have a computer science degree and math minor, but I'm still NEET.

Every stage of my life I have had something holding me back. Very badly ingrown toenails in my childhood. Very bad acne in teens. And now a torn bicep at the start of my adult life. This tear has really fucked me hard though, mentally and physically. I experience pain and weakness the majority of the time. I've never been super confident, but it was mostly a ruse. I set the bar low so I can step over it easily. I've always managed to get through everything, with the previous issues. But that's because they weren't too serious. But, my arm is my fucking arm. I like to workout and I made serious gains on that part preinjury. Yet now, I'm struggling to find the motivation to even live because I can no longer improve to where I want to be. My arm will always be in discomfort, it will always look and feel weaker than my other. It sits weird on the arm now, and it's lost its tensity, as in it looks stretched the fuck out over its limit and never recovered. There even a slight divot between the shoulder and bicep in certain positions.

I've been trying for the past year to fix this since I graduated. My fucking parents think I'm just making excuses and don't want to work. Meanwhile I wake up to burning in my arm every morning, my functional strength is limited, and I just feel like a feeble bitch. I legit can't handle a life time of mediocrity.

>>17609767
Hey lads, I was in here a few threads ago.
Long story short

>19
>high school dropout
>never worked a day in my life

I've sent in a couple hundred applications to find work in my city in the past month. Nowhere fancy, places I know that accept /anyone/ (fast food, customer service, walmart, ect.). I never get callbacks except for once last week, an interview i went to, where I was told I needed to look more "approachable" to customers, and was basically told to fuck off and that the job wasn't for me

I don't want to be a welfarecuck, and I don't want anything amazing. Just part time, minimum wage so i can afford more weed and food.


How the fuck am I supposed to actually get a job?

Application after application fill
ed out, one phone call, one interview.

Is there some kind of secret art to this? Magic words i need to write on my applications?

>>17615833
Why did you drop out? I don't know the American system but isn't it just a case of taking some information and answering some questions (on the exam)?

> "approachable" to customers
This means you look weird because of some things inside of your control. If it was out of your control they wouldn't phrase it like that. Appearance isn't rocket science so some simple choices will sort it out.

> Just part time, minimum wage
It's easier to go for a skilled job, lower candidate to job ratio. Obviously that means training yourself up a bit.
There's a lot of people going for low paid easy jobs, and skill doesn't matter much, so employers judge people on personal things.

>>17615902
>why did you drop out
When I was 15 I just decided to skip a ton of classes, stayed home to get high, watch hentai, that kinda shit. Sooner or later I just stopped getting calls/emails from the school

>look weird because of osme things inside your control

I guess so. Im basically a younger irl version of that fat warcraft nerd from south park

What kind of training/skill could i get (without spending hundreds-thousands of dollars on classes)

Ive noticed on craigslist that there's a ton of assisted living jobs open(Live in a retirement community, say i take care of my mom but i just leech), but they all say I need certification and 2+ years of experience

>>17615938
> When I was 15 I just decided to skip a ton of classes, stayed home to get high, watch hentai, that kinda shit. Sooner or later I just stopped getting calls/emails from the school
Sounds retarded.

> I guess so. Im basically a younger irl version of that fat warcraft nerd from south park
That's limiting. At least shave, keep clean, do things around the house and turn up at the gym.

> What kind of training/skill could i get (without spending hundreds-thousands of dollars on classes)
US universities and bootcamp fees are too high, they make Cambridge's international fees look cheap.
There's an endless like of things you could do but shifting through the opportunities and choosing one you like is your job. Choosing your own direction is one of the fun things about life.
Most things can be learnt for free or almost free, some cost a little bit (archery, ski instructing, accounting), some pay you (working holidays, research teams etc). You're probably familiar with MMRPG's, after a while of figuring things out life is going to look like one of those.

>>17609767
Has anyone had success with improving their ability to step outside their comfort zone? I have an extremely distorted aversion to risk to the point where I can't take action even if taking no action makes things worse. For example, I have a horrible scraggly neet-tier beard because I can't handle the idea of trimming it and neating it up. People would comment on, probably positively, but I can't handle the attention and so I keep the shitty beard. I also use it to hide my non-existant chin, but that's a separate issue.

>>17616207
Yep, I went to free drawing classes even though I'm horrible at drawing. There was that, you have to show you drawing to others and they'll criticize you. It was actually very nice to sit and just waste two hours on drawing somethin.

So how do you guys find direction in life

I was homeschooled by a family that took every chance they could to poke fun at me being different than them (as it turns out my mom cheated on my dad and that's how I was born so making fun of me for being different than my brothers was fucking sick) and never really had a chance to spread my wings and do what I wanted. Like I was always jealous of people I knew that drew, cosplayed, watched anime, and basically just talked about nerd shit with each other, as I was always terrified of the dinner table and constant faggot remarks from my mom who is a NEET.

So now that I'm older I'm in nursing school and I work at a hospital but man I'm really struggling to find my ground and make some friends and do some shit like this, but at the same time it feels like I missed the carefree point of life when I could have marathoned anime all day or went to cons with friends and it feels pointless. Everything I do always feels so pointless even though I'm doing so good right now.


>>17615072
oh fuck I know that feel bro, I messed up my ankle bad a few months ago and it's still fucked up. Have you looked at Physical Therapy or pain meds at all? Don't wanna risk getting addicted to something but you can't just deal with the constant pain either.

What jobs are open to you locally with your degree? Anything you could do?

>>17616207
Yeah. Actually I was just talking to someone about this last night in the discord. I used to be a hikikomori and I would avoid going outside even when I wanted to change because my neighbors would say something like they were so glad to see me outside again and such. I knew it wasn't out of malice, they were genuinely concerned about me, but I couldn't handle positive attention at all.

I'm still that way in a lot of ways. It was a big step for me to even join the discord and I almost didn't do it. But I've also improved in a lot of other ways, I even have a job now and I'm working on trying to make my life better overall. You should join if you haven't already so we can help you out.

I have two works, I'm finishing uni and I visit "social events" if I want to. However one thing still stays the same: I dislike meeting with other people. It's not some big issue. It's just that I have to give energy to be social.

My point is that it is nice to change, but there are things that you can't change. Realize that by changing yourself you go through some stress. That's ok, you should be able to endure some stress, but there is line where the amount of stress becomes crippling. At that point you should stop and drop it. Stress can damage your health and health (and time) is most important thing in your life.

"Bad qualities" like being asocial have their place in this world, because those provide richer human behaviour.

>>17616368

Physio therapy I'm pretty sure is a meme for my issue. I went there originally and nothing he could have done would help me, I was already doing it. I 100% know it's not going to get any better, because it's only gotten worse the past 3-4 years since the injury occurred. The only option is surgery, but the top specialist in my area can't figure out what's wrong with it.

Little story:

>graduate uni
>back of my mind know my arm is fucked, so this should be a good moment, it isn't
>go to play basketball with friends
>completely gimped on my left side, feel I can barely dribble the ball there
>fuck this, im going to the doctors
>go to the doctors, hey bud I need an mri for my arm
>abooks mri
>6 months later, get mri, apparently for my distal even though I fucking wanted the tendons at the shoulder done
>turns out they actually find something distally, partial tear/tendenosis or something
>doesn't make any sense, my bicep moved down on the arm not up
>I'm like fuck, time to go to specialist
>go to specialist, he thinks it's a slap tear
>3 months later or so get MRI for shoulder
>3 weeks ago got results, no slap tear (I haven't really seen the results yet, my general physician told me)
>haven't heard back from the specialist since, no follow up yet

I have this snap that occurs around my elbow whenever I supinate my forearm to it's max. (shit happens every 5 minutes or so, probably less) If I don't do this, my arm starts getting really stiff and weak. But this feels like it's caused by the bicep being bunched lower.

And in terms of jobs, maybe I'm a wuss. But fuck, what I studied is objectively pretty difficult. I had a solid GPA (above 3.0) so I can definitely do it. I managed to get through it because of dedication and the feeling that I was becoming stronger. But now... no matter how hard I work towards that. My arm is legit fucked forever and I'll always be weak there. This is the thought that goes through my mind all the time and I can't get over it.