Gunbuster > Eva

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Nadia > Gunbuster

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>>159834423
Why would you do that? Go and tell lies on the internet?

>>159834253
well, since Gunbuster is the best anime of all time and Evangelion is crap that was trendy on the US west coast in the early 2000s, it's pretty obvious.

>>159834503
>best anime of all time
>final episode is a power point presentation in b&w because lol anno

>>159834770
>not liking black and white

>>159834800
>liking black

>>159834869
It was. Don't tell me you actually fell for the "it was done to cut costs" meme.

>lol :^)
Nevermind. You're probably just retarded.

>>159834869
>lol :^)
fuck off retard

>>159834925
They ran out of money. They made the best they could.
What you thought that battle sequence of keyframes zooming around in front of the camera was planned by Anno from day 1 too?

SUPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>159834996
Tell me exactly how drawing the entire thing in grayscale saved money? It didn't.

>>159834253
We know

>>159835088
You pay for a fraction of the materials usually used in full colour.

>>159835136
You must be stupid. Animating it in grayscale at that level of detail was NOT cheap. They didn't save any money doing that. Getting the exact shade of gray is actually harder then just using regular color.

>>159835088
Painting something in grayscale is a much cheaper, faster process than full colour. Ask any artist.

>>159835125
Just checking

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This opinion is only controversial among high functioning autistic manchildren that still think eva is deep when anno says shit like 'I just put in crosses because they looked fuckin' dope bro' all the time

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>>159836042
I can understand the argument. Eva has a much better cast and is 4 times the length so accomplishes a lot more. In terms of animation it wins out as well, it has so many more beautiful, iconic scenes than Gunbuster. But Gunbuster hits better emotional highs and packs a huge amount more in its short runtime.

>>159836042
>anno says shit like 'I just put in crosses because they looked fuckin' dope bro' all the time
Tsurumaki*

At least we can all agree Diebuster is shit right?

>>159834253
Duh?

>>159834253
>>159834423
>>159834503
>>159835125
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>>159837838
>ITT: contrarians

>>159838874
Thanks

Eva > Kare Kano > Nadia > Gunbuster

Gunbuster was just Anno having fun and Anno is just not at his best when he's just having his fun, unlike Imaishi for example.

>>159834253
Is it just me or has it become really hard to distinguish between bait, trolls and actual opinions? When I read "gunbuster is the greatest anime ever" I am not sure what to think. Am I being baited or is that person really THAT retarded? I think I am losing my edge.

>>159839683
How good do YOU think Gunbuster is? It's iconic and beloved by so many for a reason you know.

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>>159839726
>It's iconic and beloved by so many for a reason you know.
Because it's mindless garbage full of tits and pubes?

Even if we can't all accept that Gunbuster is the greatest anime of all time, we can at least agree that the ending is one of the greatest ever made.
And how much you enjoy it basically comes down to weighing how much you hold the first 3 episodes over the last 3.

>>159839850
The timeskip stuff is really nice, it has that Anno psychological depth and vulnerability for the main characters and yeah, every time Gunbuster appears on the screen it's amazing mindless fun. That's a pretty great cocktail.

>>159839726
I think its an insult to mecha as a genre with one of the worst casts in existence. The only thing that saves this wreckage of pisspoor writing are the art and animation of the last 2.5 episodes. Now I still believe that the last episode was black and white because Anno ran out of money again, so I wouldnt consdider it a brilliant artistic decison but I acknowledge that the visuals were still great. However, outside of its visuals the OVA has nothing and the visuals are significantly worse than Macross DYRL. Less imaginative, less grand, less unique. Quite frankly, when I see someone praise that show I instantly come to the conclusion that the person cant possibly have watched a lot of anime, especially not mecha. Now I dont mind that people like it, I simply think that the amount of praise is absolutely laughable when it gets destroyed by plenty of shows from its own timeline.

>>159839886
The total lack of budget and rushed feel has always ruined the ending to me. I still cry like a bitch, but I wish we could've seen a fully realised version.

>>159839909
>it has that Anno psychological depth and vulnerability for the main characters and yeah
You do realize the characters and the motions they go through are 1 for 1 copied from another series, right?

>>159839962
Right I was more referring to the direction. "Oh no I'm too scared to pilot the robutt" isn't something he invented but it's more harrowing when Anno shows it than when anyone else does.

>>159839932
>show is an insult to the genre because it's not as good as Macross DYRL
What shows from it's own timeline destroy Gunbuster?

>>159839932
But even if it was due to the pmoney problems, Anno works 1000x better when he is under a big budget constraint. We wouldn't have the last 2 episodes of eva if there was a budget. We wouldn't have so many iconic still frames if he worked well with a decent sized budget.

Honestly, they should just donate a quarter of it off midway through production for whatever he works on and I guarantee it will be product.

>>159840040
Macross, Votoms and Zeta Gundam have better writing, DYRL and Five Star Stories look better. Patlabor is a dark horse, especially the OVA but the movies are pretty exceptional. Ideon has better writing as well, and thats just the mecha shows that I can immediately think of.

>>159839989
Indeed. The way the whole Smith drama was handled was simply masterful. As expected from the master.

>>159840157
Oh okay you meant time period. I don't disagree by the way. I'm a big fan of Gunbuster but I've never understood the praise it gets.

>>159840208
I really wish they had chosen a different name. Should be illegal for nips to attempt to say -th

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>>159835276
This

>>159840238
I think the reason Gunbuster gets so much praise is because it is a lot better than the typical garbage people in the West watch from the pre-2000s. Obviously compared to actual good anime like Votoms and Zeta it cannot stand up, but once you compare it to popular stuff like MD Geist, Armitage, Bubblegum Crisis, Genocyber or Gunsmith Cats it's like a shining turd beacon in a sea of diarrhea.

tl;dr Gunbuster is the ultimate normalfag anime 99% of its watchers don't even understand the joke of its creation

>>159840838
That's a really good way of putting it. I always just put it down to the Anno connection.

>>159840157
None of the shows you mentioned actually have better writing than Gunbuster.

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>>159841141
Ace wo nerae has better writing than Gunbuster. This is an objective fact you cannot even attempt to deny. Checkmate.

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>When a trash fanservice show expects you to take it seriously

>>159840838
Genocyber and Bubblegum Crisis are better than Gunbuster

>>159841358
>My shit smells better than your shit
Who cares? It's still shit.

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>>159840838
>good anime like Zeta

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>>159841134
Two same fagging gunbuster fanboys talk about writing while defending a show that hands "the only hope for humanity" to a mentally challenged kid because her instructor believes that she can pull it off. Please dont make this any more embarrassing. I should have just said that almost anything has better writing than Gunbuster, it wouldnt even have been that far off.

Diebuster > Gunbuster

>>159841499
Nice b8.

>>159836042
Becase eva is just christian symbolism and what the author says is the definitive interpretation. I really hope someone manages to find a way to make brain transplants viable because you obviously need one

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>>159840157
>Zeta
>good

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>Most Gunbuster fanboys say only the last 3 episodes are good
>B-But it totally has good writing!
What a joke

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>>159841531
this

Oh and to make this clear. While Gunbuster is dogshit, Diebuster is even worse. The art of that show is so goddamn ugly that I still dont understand how anyone could possibly have greenlit it.

>>159841654
Diebuster is the best example of how important a good lead is on a show. It has so much staff in common with shows like FLCL and TTGL but came out absolute dogshit because the production was directionless.

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Getter > All

>>159841761
How so?

>>159841761
I cant tell anymore with all the shounen generals and how much shit like BnHA is being praised.

>>159841814
Getter >>>>> TTGL > Armageddon.
armageddon a shit

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>>159839850
How many images like this do you have?

>>159834253
Gunbuster is just ace wo nerae with robots

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>>159842356
Thanks

>>159834253
Gunbuster is genuinely terrible. The end of episode 4 and 6 are great but the series if fundamentally fucked because it constantly parades around that Noriko succeeds because of hard work and guts but actually she only succeeds because of extreme nepotism

>Suck at mech piloting and generally everything else
>Coach keeps you in the seat entirely because he's friends with your dead dad
>Continue fucking up but at least you do some jogging or something, because that will somehow help pilot a robot better
>Still don't improve, get people killed and fuck up harder
>End of episode 4 pretty much stumble into gunbuster
>Instantly become the god of mechs for no reason and destroy everything

It's super jarring and makes the entire big theme of the anime fall on its fucking face. Diebuster had a main character with an actual arc who wasn't just handed everything she wanted at all times and is way better because of it

>>159842591
Diebuster was also visual diarrhoea, had no plot, pacing, or a single character with a personality.

>>159842632
>had no plot
The fuck is the plot in gunbuster? Half the series is "lol its that tennis anime but with mechs" and the other half is the most basic "the united nation of humans has to fight against the generic alien monsters that want us all dead for seemingly no reason at all and only this quirky unit using our prototype weapon can save humanity"

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>>159841990
>Armageddon a shit
Them's fighting words

>>159842704
It was a simple plot, but still a plot. And you had the time dilation element making the two main characters more and more out of sync with everyone else, that's more positive things than you can say about Diebuster.

>>159842632
Funny how Diebuster is just as shit as Gunbuster, but it gets a free pass from retarded FLCL fanboys who love lolsorandum garbage.

>>159842769
>It's bad on purpose

>>159842778
And gunbuster gets a pass from people that want to look like hardcore oldfags that were into gainax before it was cool and mainstream.

>>159842591
Meanwhile in Ace wo Nerae

>In the tennis club for fun
>Coach sees potential in her
>Classmates can't figure out why Coach is giving her special treatment since her family isn't important and isn't friends with Coach
>Endures bullying from peers never gives up and continues to get trained
>Slowly improves after constant training
>Eventually the talent shows itself and classmates stop being assholes
>After months of training barely wins a grueling match against the star of the tennis team
Then Coach dies, MC has an actual reason to be fucked up rather than MUH SMITH MUH SMITH

Anno completely fucked up the story, yet idiots praise Gunbuster for it's amazing directing and storyline.

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Gunbuster a shit. Very retarded and just fanservice.
Iczer-One the best OVA of all times.

>>159842934
Yeah, sounds like some form of debate is happening. People like you shoudl receive perma global bans.

>>159842934
>Wahh, why are people actually discussing a show instead of firing off a meme
Back to your general

>>159842912
>simple = bad
Why am I even replying.

>>159834253
Eureka Seven > all mecha

>>159842966
Yeah but the gunbuster pose.

>>159843248
Getter did it first

The Gainax Effect
Dumb people watch it and don't notice how it's just a rip-off of 20 better anime but fawn over the "epic", "sexy", and "funny" moments

I like Gunbuster and Diebuster, didn't know the threads were so cancer and full of shitposting.

>>159845375
Well, make them better. What do you like about those two shows?

>>159845375
Someone claiming Gunbuster is better than Eva is an opinion you disagree with, not a shitpost. Grow up.

Nope sorry

10/10:
Daicon Film
Evangelion
FLCL

9/10:
Gunbuster
Gurren Lagann

8/10:
Panty and Stocking
Royal Space Force
Nadia
Kare Kano

7/10
Otaku no Video
Diebuster

Triggershits need not apply

>>159843428
T. Supreme asshurt Getter faggot

Name the "rip offs" you speak of, gimmie the 20

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>>159845623
ok heres some to start with

>>159834925
Maybe it was, but as much as I like Anno, it was a pretty shitty decision.

>>159845515
>7 - 10 ranking scale
More like, EVA 8/10 with EoE being 9/10, FLCL 7/10, TTGL 7/10, Goonbuster 4/10, Diebuster 3.5/10.

>>159845767
I mean with the exception of Diebuster they are all good shows and probably fit in 10-6 at worst.

>>159845681
You're reaching HARD

Small influences, except for Coach, where the whole first episode was an INTENTIONAL AND ADVERTISED PARODY of Ace wo Nerae.

Mazinger and Getter do NOT have a monopoly of those weapons, and it is asinine to claim that the Gurren Lagann mecha look like anything else, very unique designs.

I doubt Key the Metal Idol inspired Rei, there are many more robotic girls before this, Galaxy Express 999 had a few.

K.O. Beast > all of them

>>159845767
Yeah no fuck off, these are the cream of the crop. What is a ten to you?

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>>159845681

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Always go with the original

>>159845981
>the whole first episode
Stopped reading there the whole thing was not only the first episode

I'd out them on about the same tier for overall quality. Gunbuster is clearly much cooler though.

>>159846036
10s dont exist because they imply perfection. No work I have ever seen was perfect, all of them have minor flaws. I even rank from 1-100 and the closest anything got is a 91. There are objective criteria that a show/movie should be judged by. If you just shill out 10s because "you enjoyed yourself" then you shouldnt be using a rating scale at all. Or if you do, 3 smileys are good enough.

>>159846128
Then you are stupid, I actually think Ace wo Nerae is better because Dezaki is a God but Gunbuster abandoned 99% of the parody after they got in space.

Unless you think Ace wo Nerae has a monopoly on girls working together and hotblooded speeches.

Fuck the obsession with originality, nothing is original, the stuff you like has influences from other things. Execution is all that matters.

>>159846279
What I don't get is why people act like a girls tennis anime but with giant robots is somehow A BAD THING

Can someone remind me how did this end?
It's been years and I can only remember I was pretty confused at the end

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Puchi Puri Yucie >*

>>159846323
Because its poorly done. The drama is shit. The whole thing is barely animated. The robot design is bad. Somehow a regular girls tennis anime manage to have more intense action scenes than a giant robot anime.


inb4 some faggot says "those are opinions" of course its my opinion

>>159846160
Oh you're one of those.

I wouldn't touch a frame of FLCL or Daicon so they are perfect and Evangelion is so breathtaking I can look past the flaws and feel the raw emotion it gives me.

What is an 8/10 or a 9/10 for you? What are you, a Kyoani fag or a "super oldschool" fag?

Because what the fuck kind of taste do you have for those kinds of ratings, actually curious.

>>159846420
Gunbuster has a great design at least, and the ships are beautiful, but I'll give you the default robots seem to almost be bland on purpose.
Sports anime are all about intense action sequences so what you said there is hardly surprising, Gunbuster purposefully focuses on build up as opposed to action for most of it.

>>159846420
Those are shitty opinions, very powerful emotional core, even if Smith is a bit rushed, spectacular animation and character design and awesome mecha.

>>159846420
>The robot design is bad

At least it wasn't any of the other potential designs which were just some halfassed versions of Ideon, Raideen or the final design with a Zeorymer-head.

>>159846493
>Gunbuster purposefully focuses on build up as opposed
So does Ace. It simply manages to be a complete package, unlike Gunbuster. That being said, in the first TV series Ace has a lot of low quality or reused animation.

>>159846530
Which part has good animation? Are you talking about all those pans across stills?

>>159846384
Rewatch it

>>159846607
First of all, good animation isn't always about fluidity, if you thought that than you might as well just watch Disney and Ghibli and Akira and call it a day. The anime aesthetic is beautiful composition and coloration over fluidity (in general), the Dezaki-like aesthetic was born from low budgets of the 70's, and it worked well in the parody.

Many Gattai sequences and action shots like the itano circus are beautiful and the designs are so beautiful, the subtle Gainaxing in the breasts were also revolutionary.

>>159846479
I watch almost anything, or rather give anything a chance. I think the highest I've rated a KyoAni show is 60, or something along those lines. Most are around 40-50 or lower. A lot of older stuff receives the exact same treatment since most anime simply is meh. Biggest problem I have with KyoAni and the likes is that the writing is just non existent.

To get 80 and above the show must have impeccable writing, audio design and art. Animation I consider separately because, quite frankly, I dont need the most insane animation for a drama/romance so see the shows value. Action on the other hand should have a certain level, that simply goes with the genre. Its actually kinda funny that for some reason my favourite shows/movies are either pre 00s or from the 10s. I liked the older artstyles way more than the ones you mostly saw between 2000 and 2010.

As for FLCL being perfect I strongly disagree. It has its merits and is truly unique, sure. I mean, my 7 is probably most peoples 10, though since my mean score is something like 4.3ish.

>>159847009
>I mean, my 7 is probably most peoples 10
I agree with most of the way you rank things, but that comment is just arrogant and elitist as fuck. Almost anyone who rates anime with numbers only gives out 10s to their absolute favourites.

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>>159847009
People still rate anime.

>>159847095
I can see why youd consider it elitist, but if you think about the fact that the average score of people on MAL is like 7.3 it puts it a bit into perspective I think. I mean lets be real, the average viewers shills out 10s for boatloads of shows. Thats why SnK and BnHA almost have an average score of 9.

>>159847153
Dont blame me for liking lists and having number autism, please.

>>159847009
Anyone who puts a degree of thought into something as inconsequential as their numbering system is obviously an underaged who's a fan of the worst type of anime youtubefaggots

>>159847409
Guess I am a 28 year old outlier, then.

>>159847250
Right but people's retarded 7-10 scale there tends to be a bell curve with the number 10 deserved for shows they absolutely adore. And by considering those shows only worthy of being 7 to you, that's pretty much the textbook definition of elitism.
Personally I think that's what a 10 should be anyway. Getting all autistic and acting like it's something objective or perfect is retarded; you will always enjoy shows more catered to your tastes and rate them higher. Unless you are a professional critic specifically picking these numbers to advise a large audience, you shouldn't worry about objectivity. But even if you do, the number 10 deserves some use, unless you're going 100 pt.

>>159847009
Hey despite our differences I respect that you have reasons and thoughts behind your positions.

Hope you find stuff that makes you happy, I know I have.

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>>159846790
>if you thought that
I don't
>The anime aesthetic is beautiful composition and coloration over fluidity
I disagree
>the Dezaki-like aesthetic
I don't see a Dezaki-like aesthetic in Gunbuster

There are some good instances of animation I can recall, but none of them involved the robots which is what I'd expect from an anime like this. Also I remember at least on instance of the Gainax bouncing to be really fucking stupid looking.

>>159847529
Agreed, and yeah I go from 1-100. At the end of the day its just opinions so its not like I dont get why people hand out X to Y, its rather the fact that their bell curve is as warped as pointed out and I really dont get why they even bother to rate things to begin with in that case.

>>159847574
Sorry to say, you're just wrong about Gunbuster.

But i'm more interested about what you consider the anime aesthetic to be exactly, if not solid posing and composition?

>>159847660
I just go by feel. I only recently started giving shows numbers to make my aniilist better organised but it's addictive. I use the 100 scale that has a decimal point but I still have two 10 scored anime, lel. One is FLCL.

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>>159846065
Yeah, and maybe later I'll throw out my oven and washing machine so I can cook my meals over a fire and wash my clothes in the river.

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>>159834925
Late reply but... it definitely was. And the reused animation and that fight with the spacebugs that was basically pew pew sketches.

Still kino as fuck, though.

>>159848255
FLCL is just so perfect

>>159845375
They're well loved outside of /a/ so I don't know why you would expect anything besides contrarian shitposting. There are valid criticisms of the show, but most of the people shit on it because this is /a/ and /a/ shits on everything popular.

>>159834253
Ideon > Eva

Ideon be Invoked >Turn A Gundam >Gunbuster >Eva >GaoGaiGar >Fafner Exodous> Tetsujin> Patlabor >Zegapain> Macross 7 Dynamite> J-decker> FLCL> Getter Robo Armageddon>

>>159848482
It's not my fault only idiots who have seen 15 anime like this guy >>159848696
think Gunbuster is anything of note

>>159848747
I've seen over a hundred mecha anime though.

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>>159845681
Added another one

>>159848811
You should really take this to the next level and put the Trigger things that rip off Gainax in there next.

>>159842591
I agree with this post. Still, I think that Gunbuster is fucking great and that Diebuster is an inferior sequel that could have been an awesome original show. The thing about Gunbuster is the feeling, that dread of going on to a mission that only takes a couple of minutes but fucking months passing and memories and events all going to shit but you soldiering on, the only impression you made was how absent you were from people's life. But they still remember you, even 12000 years later, hell, even when your own language is at that point but an academic speculation, because they genuinely remember you and are still there to give you a warm "welcome bacʞ".

Gunbuster is a great fucking OVA just for a couple of episodes. To claim otherwise is peak contrarianism.

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Unpopular opinion, but I think the ending to Gunbuster was way too out of left field and unbelievable for me to really empathize with it. The first written records from humans was only 5,500 years ago, fathoming what would we be like in 12,000 is quite literally unimaginable.
That's why I really like the ending to Diebuster. It takes Gunbuster's ending and brings it down to a grounded and more believable level out of nowhere.
It also doesn't help that I thought Nono was much more likable than Noriko

>>159849030
Trigger and old Gainax are essentially equivalent though.

>>159848696
>Gunbuster > Fafner Exodus
You have a deathwish, lad?

>>159849134
Look at it this way, people have been obsessed with predictions in the past, Mayan Calendars, Nostradamus, all the Christian shit from thousands of years ago. And the ending events in Gunbuster are the most monumental in the history of the galaxy. They'd be known by everyone. You add to that the fact that civilization seems to have existed seamlessly from then, with technology already existing to record all this shit, it makes sense that the calculations on how long it'd take the original two busters to return home could've been passed down like religion in every culture that survived in the solar system. It's a really sweet thought.
I agree though, the ending of Diebuster is one of its only redeeming qualities.

>>159849134
That's the whole point of the ending. It's a moonshot, it's a miracle that they even survived, let alone making it back. And earth still being there? Even more of a miracle. The fact they are remembered is just the icing on the cake.

>>159849134
>fathoming what would we be like in 12,000 is quite literally unimaginable.
That is the whole point. It's existential horror on a human level. It all went to shit. But they survived, anon, and humanity survived too and Jung's promise to welcome them back was kept for millennia.

Diebuster is a inferior sequel precisely because that whole setting should have been fucking magic, utterly incomprehensible to our monkey brains.

>>159849289
Yeah, its not that I don't believe they don't wouldn't remember Noriko and Onee-sama, its just that in 12,000 years, starting from a standpoint where they achieved near light-speed travel, a lot of things could have changed that nobody could ever predict. It feels very "assuming" (for a lack of a better word), like you can't say anything about 12,000 years into the future because its so far away and unpredictable.

>>159849366
It really juxtaposes the grounded feel of the show, though. I really liked the segments of Noriko interacting with her rapidly aging friend because it feels so real. 12,000 years was more a "Wait, what?" reaction.

>>159849531
I can't even consider it existential because of how far it is in the future. Earth 12,000 years from now may as well be in a different continuum, that's how far in the future it is compared to human civilization, if you can even call them humans anymore.

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>>159845681
>>159848811
Don't forget good ol' Combattler V

>>159849888
>I can't even consider it existential because of how far it is in the future.
Is is existential precisely because of how far in the future it is, literally so far into the future that you don't know if humanity even exists. But they exist because Onee-sama and the daughter of defeat did their part in saving them but so did everyone else during those 12.000 years. It is literally Ganbatte, Ningen-kun: The Animation. Noriko does what Shinji does not, she show us how we prevail despite our weaknesses, so it really goes a step beyond End of Evangelion in that regard.

>>159850153
Symphogear reference? Sunrise confirmed for bros.

>>159850187
I just think its really presumptuous to even consider what Earth could be like in 12,000 years.

Hanamaru Youchien > Eva

>>159850295
It's a sci-fi series with magical giant robots. Those two little girls just came back from destroying the majority of the galaxy to kill space bugs, and the fact that it suggests humanity might survive and also keep records for 12,000 years is what stretches you incredulity?
Diebuster is the series that fucks up and shows you what state humanity is actually in.

>>159850295
That isn't the point, anon. Fuck, I think it is really presumptuous to take sushi and potted plants with you to outer space but they still do it. If we wanted hard sci-fi, we would be making a Planetes thread.

Jung kept her promise. They were not forgotten. That is the point, not how Earth looks or doesn't look like.

>>159850466
Anon you're good people and have good taste in anime, it's nice to see someone who gets it.

>>159849155
Die

>>159850576
Bust

>>159849531
Even more interesting is them spelling "welcome back" incorrectly, implying that Japanese is lost

>>159850649
Yeah, that "welcome bacʞ" broke me.
Incredible show.

>>159850596
No, we arn't doing something cute, go fuck yourself. Your opinion is disgraceful.

>>159850754
What's my opinion meant to be?

>>159850576
It's true though? All of the important staff from Gainax just moved over to Trigger. I thought everyone knew this.

>>159850887
That Trigger and early Gainax are the same.

No, fuck off, Trigger is a bastardized version of Imaishi era Gainax with half the talent and no Eva money to fund quality animation.

>>159850435
The difference is that you can image a whole bunch of science bullshit to make a giant robot work, or giant space bugs from a different part of the universe. However, like I said before, 12000 years is literally unfathomable. It broke my suspension of disbelief.

>>159850466
However you CAN take sushi and potted plants into outer space. There's no debate there, but you CAN'T think about what the Earth would be like in 12,000 years and it feels really wrong, is what I'm saying. Diebuster creates essentially a whole new world with new rules and then it connects to Gunbuster which makes Diebuster's ending feel so much more tangible.

>>159850949
I meant the same in terms of staff you retard, quality is subjective.

>>159850949
That wasn't me I was just trying to do something cute.
Sorry.

>>159850964
>quality is subjective

Spoken like a true triggernigger

Khara has a few key players too

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>>159851074
>triggernigger
I'm not even advocating for either side, I'm just letting you know that a lot of the staff went to Trigger.

>>159850950
You're fine with blowing up half the galaxy but not the fact it takes 12,000 years to get back from blowing up half the galaxy? Honestly it taking 12,000 years to get back is probably one of the most realistic elements in the last episode.

>>159850950
I've seen drawings made by humans from that long ago, and physical objects like musical instruments and figurines from that time. We have writing from just a few thousand years ago, so much of culture is from a period over two thousand years back. In a future with technology freely available, is it really that hard to fathom records existing that far in the future?
I think this is just something you specifically have a problem with, maybe look more into history.

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>>159850950
>However you CAN take sushi and potted plants into outer space.
Feddie scum, get out. You probably one of those people who unironically thinks that space robots needs legs.

>>159851127
And yet they've lost the Gainaxian quality about them, switching obsession from oldschool Otaku trappings to more western tastes.

Once again, Trigger is not like Otaku no Video/Eva era Gainax, they are closest to PSG Gainax without the funds.

>>159850949
Imaishi's shows have been really impressive though. The LWA OVAs too. I wouldn't call shows like Luluco or Kill la Kill "bastardised Imaishi", they are pretty much him doing exactly what he wants.

>>159851222
>Trigger is more like the era of Gainax where the people who left to form it were running shows, not the era when they were key animators at best
No shit sherlock.

>>159851149
It did seem like I have a specific problem with the length of time, but what I specifically had a problem with was, in short, that shot of Earth and おかえり after 12,000 years.
I mean, if they were in the middle of space and they received the welcome back message through a transmission with a bunch of static I would have absolutely no problem with it.

>>159851155
That's the past. The humans from 12,000 years ago could not have, in any shape or form, imagined what we are today.

>>159851291
Hey, asshole, look at your own post

>>159849155

Unless you picked up the argument for him for some reason

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>>159851246
Why do anons always feel the need to point out "it's the LWA OVA, guys! N-not LWA TV, I s-swear!". LWA (2017) was pretty fine despite the lack of a concrete overarching plot. The first cour did episodic anime justice and was easily up there with the OVAs.

>>159851418
That makes even less sense. You'd be okay with broadcasting frequencies and that kind of technology being the same after 12 thousand years, but not just the simple way of writing messages for the sky with lights, and the fact that they (almost) managed to retain the language?
That's the whole point, we don't even know what sort of humanity is there, just that they remembered, and they are welcoming the heroines back.

>>159851246
He needs to be roped in then, because TTGL is his best show BY FAR, KLK was a fucking trainwreck, Luluco was decent. Only LWA was good and even that had serious issues.

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>>159851468
????

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>>159851468
But again, I meant equivalent in terms of staff. Whatever you think of their value is subjective, and I wasn't even commenting on that.

>>159851488
Because the OVAs were masterpieces and the TV show completely fell apart in the 2nd cour. The animation is really something else in the OVAs, it's beautiful.

>>159851536
How dense can you be, can you define equivalent?

Which position are you taking? Is Trigger closer to oldschool Gainax or PSG Gainax?

>>159851468
Anon why do you keep trying to confuse yourself so much? You're talking to more than one anon.

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>>159851521
>because PSG is his best show BY FAR
FTFY

>>159851521
KLK was great I thought but it was the studio's first major work. It obviously lacked the resources of budget of TTGL. Imaishi isn't really anything to do with LWA. It'll be interesting to see what he manages with Promare, looks like he's returning to his roots, Trigger is a very established studio now with a strong reputation.

>>159851615
Anon neither of the people you are talking to ever said anything like that.

>>159851627
It is very simple, all I want is to tell the anon who thinks Trigger is like oldschool Gainax that his opinion is shit, thats all.

>>159851669
Wrong, really well animated but the emotional power and thematic significance of TTGL is much better than silly angel shenanigans

>>159842251
He reposts them every Gunbuster thread.

>>159851581
You can't expect a TV series to have the same production values of an OVA. The first cour was pretty yay, 2nd cour had its moments but was meh as a whole. Saying that you can plan better for 40 minutes worth of animation is not making an argument at all, it is just stating fact. Stuff like the Sucy episode was better than the OVAs. Don't fall for the contrarian Jew, anon, I know you're better than that.

>>159851627
>>159851758
Am I the only one who can see this post:
>>159849155

?

I mean I'm not THAT drunk right?

>>159851709
KLK was a straight failure in my eyes, 6/10 because of the occasional sakuga and good design. They did NOT know what to do with the plot and I didn't like any of the characters or themes.

I hope for the best for Promare, they have so much talent there its always a shame

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>>159851890
>>>159851627
>>>159851758
>Am I the only one who can see this post:
>
>
>?
>
>I mean I'm not THAT drunk right?
What are you on about, anon?

>>159851888
Anon we have pretty much the same opinions it looks like, even down to various episodes and so on. The reason I specified the OVAs is because they don't have that 2nd cour letting them down. And it's not about OVA production values vs TV, the LWA OVAs are exceptional by the standard of OVAs, whereas the TV show has amazingly lacklustre plotting and use of its cast over the two cours. It would've been an incredible one cour show but I don't think Yoshinari was quite ready to direct something this large on his first attempt. I'm sure he learned a lot from the experience at least.
Episode 3 is the best episode by the way, even more than 8.

>>159851984
I loved the characters, the themes, the pacing and everything about KLK. Maybe it just wasn't for you?

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>>159851890
I don't see anything, anon.

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>>159852084
I guess not, but I loved TTGL a LOT and PSG was really good so this project seemed like a sure thing and it was such a disappointment.

>>159852043
I'm being memed hardcore

>>159851890
What they were saying there was for the purposes of that image the two are equivalent. Which makes sense. They were replying to me suggesting you could make one giving an example of how Trigger ripped off Gainax, which was meant to be a joke, the idea would be to show someone literally "stealing" some of their own earlier work.

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>>159852050
>Episode 3 is the best episode by the way, even more than 8.
Them's fighting words, anon.

>>159852164
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT

;-;

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>>159852214
Dick Dastardly Sucy > Sucies that don't actually act like Sucy

But this is a Gunbuster thread so now isn't the time nor the place.

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>>159851890
Can someone explain this meme to me I don't get it?

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>>159852401
Either you are fucking with developer tools to meme or there is some bullshit going on

Gunbuster
Diebuster
Ghostbuster

Get shot by a gun
Die from wound
Then become ghost

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>>159852401
I think he is just a redditspacer. Pay him no mind.

>>159852581
Memes aside I hope the Harlock Trilogy will give Gainax enough funds to do Royal Space Force 2 and Tribuster

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Noriko a cute

>>159852663
>Livebuster - parallel universe Diebuster
>Gumbuster - Gunbuster and HxH crossover

>>159852748
>Bumbuster - Yuri on Ice crossover

Are you joking? I don't like Eva but Gunbuster has a way more annoying protagonist and a very bland supporting cast.

>>159855770
>Noriko
>annoying
Fuck you

>>159855770
>annoying protagonist
That's an interesting way of saying a cute protag.

>>159855770
Oh and the supporting cast is great too, acquire taste.

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>>159855770
It is literally Shinji with tits. Yet she is much more annoying than Shinji? Fuck off.

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>tfw Nono PVC never

>>159857354
>m8
Crawl back to whatever slimepit you hobbled out from, underaged.

>>159857711
Thank fuck

>>159849531
>Diebuster is inferior
Nice meme

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>>159862135
Even if you think it's not, consider that if you love Gunbuster and you understand the reasons why the ending is impactful, it is not unwarranted to say that some would find Diebuster's setting off-putting.

>>159862135
Diebuster isn't even a good anime, let alone comparable to Gunbuster.

>>159862135
>someone doesn't like something
>it must be a meme

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>>159862886
Using the word 'meme' wrongly has become a meme. He meant to say joke. Welcoming Noriko and onee-sama back was, ironically, a very old meme. Nono was big on memes it seems.

But well, he is right about some anons liking 'meme' shows over other more substantial shows. Hey, we have fate/shit threads almost around the clock.

>>159863228
Nono was a meme girl.

>>159864861
>>>/mu/

>>159856251
Fine, she's a cute annoying protag.

>>159862135
It really is

>>159865540
An annoying protag is something like Nono. Noriko was completely inoffensive.

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Why does Noriko look 20 times better than the rest of the girls in Gunbuster

>>159866718
The Slav!Asuka is pretty hot.

>>159867210
Her name is Jung Freud.

>>159868213
Isn't she from the soviet union?

>>159868247
That's correct.

>>159834253
Ideon > gunbuster >eva

>>159834253
Yes

>>159834423
No

>>159834463
A best

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>>159834253
ONEE-SAMA

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>>159841814
There needs to be more cuhrayzee anime where they smash starts and planets apart while fighting

Diebuster > Gunbuster

>>159835298
>>159835136
Let me guess, you also think that Anno was depressed while making Eva, and the ending was weird because he ran out of money, right? And that he put screenshots of death threats into End of Evangelion?

(None of that is true, it's rumors that idiots keep spreading 20 years later)

>>159875266
Those idiots are wrong about the reason for the black and white in Gunbuster.

You're equally wrong though about Eva, idiot.

Premium bait tho

>>159877073
>You're equally wrong though about Eva, idiot.

Not at all. He got over his depression by the time he started Eva, and those "death threats" in EoE were actually emails thanking Anno for making Eva, with a single message facetiously saying "I'll kill you!" while complaining that Death and Rebirth wasn't the actual ending.

>>159837170
The space monster reveal was pretty fucking great though

>>159877073
Premium bait

>>159875266
I can never tell if these posters are clinically retarded or just baiting.

>>159882450
It's both

>>159842966
you also forgot:
>takes 20 episodes of coach holding her hand through formulaic tennis matches for Hiromi to stop acting like a cry-baby

I like Ace, but Gunbuster has much better pacing.

>>159834770
Why was it Black and White anyway?

>>159885317
Because they ran out of money, numbnuts.

>>159885317
Artistic decision. It would not have been any cheaper at all to do it in b&w instead of color.

A lot of idiots think it was due to money because of some kind of damaged logic where they may know that color printing is more expensive than black and white. But printing isn't analogous to cel animation.

>>159886145
The entire episode was in black and white you retard. You actually think it was an artistic decision, and it was just a coincidence there was no next episode preview (because it wasn't fucking finished), or it swapped to unfinished keyframes for one of the only action sequences?
They ran out of time and money, why is this so hard to accept? You think this is a coincidence that it happens at the end of Anno shows?

>>159875266
>theyhatedjesusbecausehetoldthemthetruth.jpg

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>>159834253
Has that ever been in question?

>>159887224
>tfw HARD WORK AND GUTS

>>159840838
>implying gunsmith cats is bad
>this, by extension, implies the riding bean is bad
Them's fighting words, boy.

>>159842966
>>159842591
The difference, anon, is that tennis is boring while giant robots in space is exciting.

>>159886876

The point remains--black and white does not make it cheaper.

>>159887957
Why on earth would you even think that? Of course it does, it's cheaper and faster both in terms of resources, man hours, everything.

>>159888073

Have you ever drawn anything in your life?

>>159888320
Yeah and adding a non colour layer is far, far faster than going through and painting it with colours. This is basic shit.

I enjoyed gunbuster more

>>159888320
That's why all weekly manga are in full colour, right? And why being a colourist isn't an entire different role?

>>159887274
What gets me about that comment is how it is not that uncommon to find anons that simply will not watch anything 4:3 or sub-720p. So to call Gunbuster "the ultimate normalfag anime" is not only patently untrue, it is grade 8 bait.

>>159885187
Damn you're right. It's not like you can read the manga or one of the other adaptations that don't dedicate 40 episodes to the first 2 arcs or anything.

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>>159889683
What did he mean by this?

>>159863228
x is superior/inferior is also a classic meme incidentally

>Shinji ate more and more of the cake, feeling his belly fill out before him, his plugsuit now so snug against it. "Mmmmph, more cake!" he whimpered, pushing his mouth onto each new slice. His boy tits now bigger than Misatos. It all stopped and the three collectively groan with how full they are. As they try to leave they realize they are stuck in the pit, tops hanging outside, bottoms jiggling inside.

>It took heavy duty grease to liberate them out of the entry plugs. As they changed Asuka saw Shinji's boy tits and waddle over, reaching from behind and giving the tits a good grope. "As big as Misato's" said the girl who's cup size had swelled up and outwords, now sagging down her stretch marked belly. She now wore a larger panty sized, in an unflattering granny style, as that left her with plenty of room. Shinji squirmed in Asuka's pudgy grasp, "L-let me go!" he blushed, his chest now quite sensitive.

>His big tits jiggling as her own pressed against his back. Shinji was growing a little aroused. His boxers, already snug on his ballooning ass, grew tighter. He huffed and puffed away from her, belching as he did, feeling excess gas fill him. His belly gurgled and groaned.

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They are both shit.

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>>159887342
>Fast paced duel between MC and her rival
>Two aces dogfighting all out in a equally skilled match
This is hype.

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>>159891012
>Dumb girl who was given the role of hero because her daddy was important
>Losing then screams getting a powerup (even though all shes doing is pushing buttons in a robot) and effortlessly wins against mindless aliens
This is Narutard level garbage.

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>>159885489
>Money
>>159886145
>Artistic decision

So the underlying reason was, that Anno is a hack?
Sounds plausible to me

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>>159852722

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>>159840838
>Actual good anime
>Zeta

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>>159892049
>>159841424
>>159841595
>/m/posting outside of /m/

>>159849155
Kek, Trigger have made one decent show(Luluco) and 2 mediocre ones and meme shit.
They still haven'tmade anything as good as Diebuster yet.

>>159889868
Could you post a webm of Noriko breathing heavily?

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>>159889941
>x is superior/inferior is also a classic meme incidentally
This anon gets it. Not a meme when you offer compelling arguments to substantiate your stance.
For example: Topless? More like Tasteless. AM I RIGHT??

>>159892293
>as good as Diebuster
You need to try harder if you're going to bait you made it too obvious.

>Nono never get to meet her Nonoriri, the person she cherish and idolized
;-;

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>>159893692
>that segment of Lal'C showing Nono around her home

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Gurren Lagan > Gunshit

Also who here is excited for Gurren Lagann 2 from trigger?

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>>159892598
>Topless? More like Tasteless. AM I RIGHT??
You're right anon. That final scene at the core of the black hole bomb really was just a bunch of tasteless fanservice.

>>159893613
>Someone thinks differently than me it must be bait
Go back to whatever circlejerk you came from.

>>159894057
If you actually think Diebuster is good you are like a living parody of someone with bad taste.

>>159894138
Where in the post you just replied to is the quality of Diebuster mentioned?

>>159894246
Oh you were just butting into the conversation?

>>159894400
Of course. I can't pass up a chance to shitpost. Oh I guess my post did have something in common with Diebuster after all.

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Is there anything that /a/ doesn't collectively and unanimously disagree on?

>>159894934
/a/ can agree well enough. It's the MALtards and crossboarder normalfags we disagree with.

>>159894138
Diebuster was good

>>159895291
Nice bait.

>>159896762
>opinions I don't agree with are bait

>>159896918
Claiming Diebuster is good isn't even an opinion though; it's just a shitpost.

>>159893779
Sorry Akko but no one ever gets to meet their Nonoriri, that's just how things are.

>>159898408
Akko did though

>>159898420
Not true Nonoriri unless Noriko Hidaka.

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>>159898800
It's literally her Nonoriri. The person she looked up to her entire life and wanted to be.
It's even the same seiyuu!

>>159898408
>https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=282
How was I completely unaware of this? So she goes from coached to cotchi. Nice to know.

>>159900674
She's a miracle of the universe