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DOZO!
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jack when
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I want to lick Mordred's belly.
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>>159713394
Frankenstein is dumb girl
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>>159713515
Your mom is a dumb boy.
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Why is Hitler fat?
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>>159713515
*frankenstein's monster
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Sawashiro is the best.
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Pure Love
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>>159713394
Jesus christ those subs were terrbile, i didn't understand most of the episode because of them Remind me to always wait for UTW. I don't know what the fuck is going on, so confused.
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>>159713506
Used goods
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>>159713882
The anon also released them when he only had a minute of it subbed. Good to see he at least waited until he finished before he created another upload.
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>>159713627
Frank is a pure virgin
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Shit. Now I want Carnival Phantasm S4 with the addition of F/A's cast.
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Will karna or Vlad also be featured in Fate Extra Last Encore?
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>>159713394
Whens the next episode preview?
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>>159714380
Thursday
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>>159714065
Like you're mom.
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>>159713394

Is she actually any good? Her NP looked like shit, and very uninspired.
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>>159713394
BAAA-SAA-KAA
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>>159713626
After losing the war, he developed an eating disorder.

It happens.
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>>159714182
I'm pretty sure Nasu has some spell set up where he gets a Saint Quartz every time somebody says Tsukihime remake. He can never get around to working on Tsukihime because he's too busy rolling his endless supply of quartz.
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>>159715204
Lewd
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>>159713394
How's Netflix subs?
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>>159715551
>netflix
>simulcasting
You what?
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Best boy coming soon.
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>>159713394
Best girl
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>>159715595
Is it not?
I was under the assumption it was available on Netflix.
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>>159715672
Netflix fill release the subs once the season is finished
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>>159715712
Motherfuckers.
So what's available on Netflix right now, raws?
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>>159715551

I don't recall this CG from F/SN.
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>>159715766
Literally nothing
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Today I will remind them
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I'm not sure which side to pick. Is the Black side supposed to be the antagonist of this series, so far they have far more likable characters. While the Red side are acting like the villains.
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>>159715862
It's from saber's date in the fate route.
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>>159715905
>He doesn't trusts this smile
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>>159716013
He's from the Church. That's enough reason not to trust him.
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>>159715905
> There are good guys and bad guys in a Grail War
Lool
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>>159715944

Yeah, still don't recall it, it's got nicer artwork than most of the CG's I remember in the VN, it actually looks pretty comfy.
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>>159716058
Its legitimate, from the morning of Day 14 I believe.
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>>159716132

Ah, I believe you, guess it'd been longer than I thought. I really like the Fate route
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>>159715905
>Red
>Villains
They are Heroes, anon.
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>>159716056
Well, he's technically not wrong this time with how hard Apocrypha makes you want to cheer for Team Sieg while all you want is to see all the other cooler and more interesting teams and Servants and last but not least with Amakasusa you are wrong because we say even if literally God say you were right 5 minutes ago.
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>Let's make a 7 Servants vs 7 Servants Holy Grail War
>And then we focus on just 3 of them who are also the most boring and bland characters of the cast who bring absolutely nothing entertaining to anything because they all are utter moralfags and let's make everything bend to their whims and desires
>And the other Servants? Fuck them.
What were they thinking?
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>>159716192
>They are major antagonists and villains, anon.
this
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Jiegfreeed > Dame dame red Saber.
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>>159716403
>Jeanne telling god to fuck off
still makes me laugh.
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>>159716447
Fuck off Jannu
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>>159716484
>Jeanne
>posting for Siegfried
>regardless bullying Sumani
Pls leave
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Is this why /a/ hates Netflix?
Because they don't simulcast?
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>>159716239
At least they get some development in Grand Order.
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>>159716403
>>159716452
these generic memes based on weebshit again
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>>159716588
>weebshit
Got damn.
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>>159716588
But he's right.
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>surpass Arthur
>had to jump a near dead and exhausted Gawain to beat him
I want to punch Mordred in the face.
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>>159716650
Gawain a shit.
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All the girls in this anime are very cute, I hope nothing bad happens to them.
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>>159716650
You'd just hurt your hand.
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>>159716633
>shipping brother x sister

>>159716666
Yes but the fact remains Mordred overestimates her capabilities.
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>>159716505
They can release the episode a day later for all I care, but waiting until the show is over is retarded.

Binge watching kills discussion.
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>>159716650
Reminder that these subs are inaccurate.
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>>159716058
You've probably played the initial version back in the day. That CG is added with the Realta nua patch - it adds scenes, voice acting, some new CGs and other stuff. It's a real improvement to vanilla.

At this point you get it all by pirating the PC realta nua version that came out a few years ago, but you had to patch it before.
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>>159716633
The glasses guy and Spider-girl (aka wheelchair) are a thing? Seriously?
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>>159716673
Wheelchair cutie is gonna be okay
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>>159716694
Evidence?
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>>159716693
>Binge watching kills discussion.
I disagree. Its a different method of delivery but I don't think it should kill discussion. That's like say a movie's discussion is ruined on its release.
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>>159716779
This is keyword for horrible murder?
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>>159716748
These are fan ships
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>>159713394
Where was this in the episode? I don't remember it.
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>>159716802
it means what it means

she did nothing wrong
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>>159716781
/a/ told me, /v/edditor.
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>>159716779
What could is being a wizard if you can't even get your legs to work?
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>>159716792
Are you honestly comparing an episodic medium to one that's meant to be watched in one go?
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>>159716887
>What could is
>What good is
Did you text to speech this?
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>>159716524
A few still haven't made it to Apocrypha such as Semi but she's one of the few lucky to not have hit that hard by the Sieghammer.

I would have liked to see more between Atalanta and Jack. I feel like there was potential for a real good conflict there.

>>159716692
Well, duh.
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>>159716887
Pretty sure the chair goes all doc Ock later on.
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>>159716781
Your ears. You are literally retarded if you can't tell they are saying different shit.
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>>159716904
I mean, what's the difference between doing this and going back to watch something that aired years ago?
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>>159715010
hitler always had an eating disorder, more accurately chronic stomach pains so he had to take medication and only eat vegetable soups
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>>159716779

Is she missing a hand?
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>>159716856
Why are you from /v/?
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>>159716976
Active discussion for one.
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>>159717077
You're from /v/, given that you're unironically posting in an Apocrypha thread.

>>159717098
We still have discussion about movies though.
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>>159716693
>Binge watching kills discussion.
Murrikans love binge watching for some reason. I'll never get them.

>>159716792
>but I don't think it should kill discussion.
But the fact is that it does.

>1 week between episodes letting people discuss what happened on the episode and letting people theorize about what will happen next and other future developments

or

>Everything in one go where people will go from one episode to the next like starving beasts giving no space for people to think about what happened and what may happen and ultimately have them focus just on their favorite moments of the series in general when talking about it instead of the product as a whole

>That's like say a movie's discussion is ruined on its release.
You are comparing apples and oranges. Don't be stupid.

>>159716976
Because years ago if you were there watching weekly you could discuss weekly. Why are you comparing this too? You plain and simply missed out the chance to discuss as it aired. That's why threads of old shit die up so fast, because everyone and their mom has already discussed everything there is to discuss. That's the difference, discussion while at peak interest and discussion when there's none anymore.
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>>159717131
I see you've never visited /m/.
We get along just fine there with only old stuff to talk about, sans a few of those ragers but they've fallen off lately.
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>>159717129
>You're from /v/
>first response to earlier post is >reddit/redditor
You sound like a typical /v/irgin crossboarder.
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>>159717207
Discussion about old series obviously happens but you cannot tell me with a straight face that it equates currently airing series in volume. That's the key-point here.
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>>159716887
Don't bully the disabled
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>>159717248
I am neither from /v/ nor was that my first response.
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>>159717298
>I am neither from /v/
I don't believe you, kusoposter.
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>>159717281
Are you talking about /a/ generals?
Because that hasn't worked out very well.

>>159717324
I don't believe that you don't believe me, redditor.
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>>159717365
I don't believe that you don't believe to believe what I know is true, /v/ermin redditor.
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>>159713506
These two are just too delicious as a pair. It isnt fair putting them together.
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>>159717365
When I did I bring up generals? You are dense, bub.
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>>159717422
Now I know you're from /v/.

>>159717455
You didn't, I did; pay attention please.
Most of /a/'s discussion on currently airing stuff is trapped in generals which are known to be cancerous.
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>>159716968
The translations were fine, Japanese is a very contextual language, unlike English. The same word or phrase can have a hundred different translations or meanings completely dependent on the context. So all you people who know 1 or 2 words or phrases and want to act like you somehow know more than the translators need to fuck off.
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>>159716192
Evil Cat is so cute when trying to look menacing.
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>>159717493
>You are from x board because I arbitrate that belief with no evidence after you asked a single question when challenging me
>I am totally not frustrated at all here
Its not working, /v/ermin redditor.
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>>159716779
>Girl with no legs summons a servant with 4 legs

Fiore is suffering.
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>>159717131
If everyone binges content at the same time discussion still happens. People talked about DD for months. It kills speculation but that's really it. Favourite moments and stuff all happens in weekly discussions anyway.
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>>159717521
>accusing others of being frustrated
Only digging your hole deeper, kid.
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>>159716047
Caren did literally nothing wrong.
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>>159717560
>DD
The what?
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>>159717575
I'm not accusing you, I know you are.

>hole
>deeper
Keep dreaming, /v/ermin.
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>>159717508
This. Whenever I see someone get upset that a translator translated "おかしい” as "funny" or "crazy" instead of "strange" it triggers me hard.
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>>159717657
You're just repeating /v/ memes at this point in an attempt to out shitpost me. I have to go the store in a few minutes though, so don't believe you've won if I stop posting.
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>>159717575
>>159717493
>>159717365
I think you should probably stop posting dude
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>>159717707
>/v/ memes
What /v/ memes, /v/ermin?
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>>159713394
AAAHNNNNNNGG

-Frankenstein
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>>159716694
No they aren't, you piss-ant.
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>>159715905
I pick my dick's side so Ruler's side
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>>159715862
It's from the worst route don't worry
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Who will be the worst?
Jannufags or Mordredufags
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>>159718119
Mordredufags, because Jannufags are virtually non-existent under /a/
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Could someone post the pic with Kintoki, Gilgamesh and Nursery Rhyme where Gil is just playing through a F/SN ero scene?
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>>159718318
shit t/a/ste
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>>159718119
pretty sure shiroufags will be the absolute worst
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>>159713515
BA-SA-KA!
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>>159718429
/a/ has a good taste.
moeblob schoolgirl with a one track mind is for /v/, /vg/, /u/ and /weebs/
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>>159715905
>>159716403
Is the necromancer just a wannabe kiritsugu?
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>>159718387
I too would like to see this.
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>Jannu wants strong and thick dragon dick
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Is shirou from yugioh?
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>>159719000
No, the necromancer is an actual mature human being for one.

Also, best dad.
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How the fuck does the Fateverse not have a single likeable fucking MC? It's not even the MCs fault, Shirou was very tolerable outside of Fate and HF routes. It's the fucking effect they have on those around them. Will MC dick worship forever ruin this fucking IP? Why can they never cut this fucking harem bullshit and give the MC a set in stone love interest that's not a fucking high tier servant? Rin is how you fucking have a love interest, Saber in Fate is everything wrong with the IP, and anyone who likes Sakura or HF needs to be lynched.
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>>159719402
If I don't see him headpat Mordred once before they go out, I will cut someone.
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How the fuck does black deal with Karna? They have no one on the same level.
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>>159719658
stfu nigger
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>>159719763
Sieg getting a bunch of NPs given to him.
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>>159718028
Really? It doesnt look like its from HF?
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>>159719056
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>>159716779
She's going to kill the necromancer guy

Don't mess with magical cripple
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>>159717508
>>159717671
Under no circumstances is "Come, Saber of Black" translateable to "Fall, Saber of Black". One of those implies "give it your best shot then, because that's what I'm using", the other implies "fuck off you villain you're already dead". Yes, some liberties can be taken instead of blind idiot ones, but actual incorrect subs are not okay. For an even clearer example, Frankenstein's Monster's NP, Blasted Tree, is D-ranked, not B-ranked, and you can clearly hear the master saying "this is a D-rank NP?"
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>>159719763
So the boost of popularity is a joke? I do not think that karna has popularity in Romania.
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>>159720074
Wasn't it assassin of reds poison that kills him?
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>>159717543
She's more interested in his 5th leg, as you can see by the excessive blushing she had when he was talking to her.
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>>159720074
noooooo Daddy!! Fiore worst girl.
nah, still cute, but it's a shame. I like Daddy
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>>159720139
Shakespear is more popular than every other servant in this war combined, and he's jobber tier. Fame only gets you so far. Every single normie, even in some 3rd world shitholes, have heard of him. Also, Vlad's dracula persona is more popular than his Romanian hero persona. He should be STRONGER when summoned as a vampire, because it's worldwide fame vs local fame.
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>>159720152
Wait, against who Fiore goes full Doc.Ock then?
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Who's going to kill my nigga Shakespere, it feels like he's a pretty funny and cool guy
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Eternal Lovers
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>>159720261
That was my point. They do so many issues about this supposed boost of popularity, but in the end it's just a bullshit.

You can be unknown hero from the future with zero popularity. The only thing that matters is that you have a powerful NP and tools. Future Shirou was strong despite his laziness and unreliability. Caladbolg and Rho aias were powerful toys.
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>>159720375
That ends in a draw.
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>>159720541
Servant are as strong as the plot demands it. The MC will never lose, so any EX tier servant that's hyped up (Gil, Karna, etc..) are bound to job or lose to being "careless", "cocky", or any other convenient excuse. Just make overpowered servants unable to participate (like grand servants and gods). That's the only way to preserve their dignity and for them to remain an actual threat. Or a format with multiple main characters, rather than a primary one, because then there would be some actual tension, instead of the obvious "the plot will bend backwards for the MC".
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>>159720139
Heroes who are already powerful don't mind not being popular.
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>>159720728
>Or a format with multiple main characters, rather than a primary one, because then there would be some actual tension, instead of the obvious "the plot will bend backwards for the MC".

Fate/Apocrypha unrelated unfortunately.
It's a shame because the servants are quite cool this time.
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>>159720692
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUtziaZlDeE
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>>159720692
Holy shit, best girl indeed they weren't joking with the Doc.Ock thing
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>>159720541
Fame is a multiplier, which makes a difference, but it won't cover for fighting Karna. Karna is Gilgamesh-class, in the legends he does some truly absurd shit to the point most GODS from other myths can't match up to him, Vlad is mediocre garbage outside of Romania but becomes Arthur-class within it, that's already a massive, massive boost.
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>suit>>>skirt
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Why are you all so gay?
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>>159721105
Aren't gods forbidden? How the fuck is shit like Rama and Quetz allowed? I mean demigods got away with it for a while, but now we're getting full blown ones. Hell, unlike shit like Quetz, Rama is actively being worshiped to this day. Might as well just start summoning Greek, Norse, and Egyptian gods at this point.
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>>159720925
>Not posting best version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnEtDERtH2M

I'm disappoint
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>>159721165
I have no clue what you're talking about anon.
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>>159721259
>Quetz
That is a space alien serpent possessing one of the sacrifices, the current way around it is to make them demi-servants somehow.
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>>159720032
MAKSHIMAMU DORAIBU
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>>159720728
Thank goodness that the Fate franchise is not like one of your favourite generic shounen shows.
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>>159720692
so.. does she has a hidden psycho personality or something?

>>159721105
Does this means Vlad is going to be a classic Lancer servant without vampire abilities just because in his country he's an hero and not a monster?
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>>159721259
What this >>159721332
anon said, there are ways you can get around summoning gods, another example is summoning Tamano with only one tail which nerfs her enough that she can get summoned.
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>>159714698
One of the weakest, if not the weakest aside from Shakespeare. Black is really confident they'll win, so they made Berserker a dud to make the Grail War they plan to fight after they win easier. Doesn't make sense to attempt a summon for, say, Berserker Hercules when you think you can win without him.
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>>159721477
He does have a Dracula NP but he hates the idea of using it.

He breaks down screaming that he is a man not a monster when forced to use it.
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>>159721477
Vlad is going to be a classic Lancer because he absolutely hates the legend of Dracula and refuses to use it. until the classic lancer suffering begins at least.
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>>159721105
>Vlad is mediocre garbage
> Arthur is god tier.

Of course he is. Vlad really existed, while Arthur is a fanfic. It's like compare the best soldier in American history, with Captain America or Superman. Yeah, the fables have dragons and magic shit.

There is no challenge. In the Fate universe,Vlad should be Arthur level out of Romania and Karna level in his fatherland.
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>coming soon.
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>>159718318
>Jannufags are virtually non-existent under /a/
Wrong.
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>>159719988
Best boy. Double dubs don't lie.
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>>159721806
Fuck off with your wankery already you're probably Romanian yourself. Vlad III is plenty strong considering his age (incredibly recent by Fate standards). Fame boost was never stronger than mystery boost, which Vlad has fuck-all of since his life is relatively well documented. NOBODY knows who Gilgamesh is but he's old as all shit and has mystery out of the ass and is STILL WEAKER than he was in life, age and actual power within the myth was always more of a thing than fame, which was just a cherry.
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>>159721363
Jannu is a Wfag too?
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>>159713394
Fran a CUTE
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>>159714070
That one minute upload should have clued you in that it's either meme-subs or hillariously incompetent
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>>159715672
Yes. The first cour in November
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>>159722200
no, shes is a dragondickfag
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>>159716179
Good taste
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>>159716792
>I disagree.
Remember ReLife?
And movies are a completly different matter to series
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>>159722403
There's an english translation of that. Stop fagging and fetch it.
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>>159719658
Kill yourself.
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>>159722199
>incredibly recent by Fate standards
I wish I could ignore FGO like you do.
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>>159721806
Do not think about it too much. The strength of the servants depends mainly by the plot. Even Gilles summoned wrong proved to be a fair threat.. for plot.
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Sieg is cute.
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>>159720125
wow, i thought it was B rank. zzzzzz
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>>159713697
This looks cute. Picked up.
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>>159722881
Blasted Tree is only B-Rank when she kills herself doing it. She isn't dead.
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>>159713394

How could Victor Frankenstein reject this qt? This is literally the perfect woman.
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>>159723139
Victor, true to the story, was a huge sperging autist.
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It's slightly troubling to think that just because I've had anal sex with girls before that I have an idea of what it would feel like to be inside Astolfo.
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The Fate/zero saber copy is gonna win this isn't she?
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>>159723850
which one, not artur or jannu
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>>159723850
>Fate/zero saber copy

Who?
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>>159723909
Mordred is ironically less of a copy. Hell, literally every single Saber clone is less of a Saber clone than Jannu.
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>>159723835
Anon, how many times must we tell you, fucking the opening of your daki with a printed anime girl on it doesnt count as anal sex with a girl.
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>>159723998
I keep my daki in pristine condition and would never do such a thing.
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>>159719763
He kills himself because Sieg da bes and he should win. I'm not joking.
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>>159723850
Holy shit kill yourself.
Now I know why people hate secondaries when they are always saying stupid shit like this.
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>>159724057
we'll see this animated soon.
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>>159723952
Jannu was pretty fun in Orleans. The problem here in Apocrypha is that instead of being her own character she becomes Sieg's romantic interest addon. She's decent enough as the war overseer at first but then DRAGON DICK happens and yeah, she's ruined like everything else that comes into contact with it.
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>>159713506
Why are Saber clones ten times more attractive than OG Saber?
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Why the fuck do they have to turn every historical character into a fucking girl
I actually dont get it, why is nobody irritated at the fact that they're doing this just to make a "cute" character
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>>159724336
Because not everyone is a manchild like you are who gets upset and fiction being fictional.
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>>159724169
Oh shit i better go kill myself for saying something about 2 anime with a combined ~8 episodes watched.
Well let me go get my rope. Oh and i have no idea of what you mean by secondaries. Ok bye world.
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>>159724336
Because they honestly don't do it too often, and it's fucking fiction. It's not like they're trying to rewrite the history books or anything
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>>159724381
>manchild
your the one who needs his fucking ecchi bullshit to enjoy something
a storyline isn't good enough without some lolis right?
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>>159724411
can you not see how pathetic of a way to entice people that is?
>our writing isnt good enough so to make sure we get enough viewers we'll just give them tits and a slutty outfit
this is hentai level plot development
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>>159724414
Tell me about about how many Servants have been genderbent into lolis.

>>159724462
Why don't you just go back to /v/ and enjoy your ******politically correct****** western games if Japanese fiction bothers you so much?
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>>159724414
>>159724462
>>>/v/
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>Achilles
>Karna
How the fuck has Team Red not auto-won on day 1?
Just Karna alone would be enough. Indian legends have massive powerlevels.
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>>159724489
>political correct
wow it took 120 seconds for you to go full retard, impressive
i don't give a shit about political correctness you moron, I'm saying it's pathetic that the only way they can drag in viewers is with "cute" characters
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>>159724247
Fuck off. Apocrypha was released earlier than Nasu managed to shoot the idea of FGO from his scrotum, through his dick and onto DW's mouth.
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>>159724547
Karna is nerfed for Fate ofc. True to mythos Karna could buttfuck Herakles, Gilgamesh and any other western hero at the same time.
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>>159724547
Because read the books.
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>>159724336
>being mad about a character's gender
Stick to your western media.
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>>159724655
And thank god for that because otherwise Jeanne would have been tarnished by Apocrypha forever and never become a decent character.
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>>159724750
The funny part is that both Orleans and Apo were written by the same guy. The only difference is that Sieg is not in one.
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>>159724750
Oh really? Do you know that when you have Siegfrid and Jeanne in one team and she'll be in My Room, she'll say "Is Sieg-kun in some trouble again?"
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>>159724829
Actually writing a story and writing a self-insert MC the whole universe revolves around truly makes a hell of a difference.
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>>159724381
The idea of the historical characters in a magical war is stimulating, but I would like more relevance for the various sources. Arturia was a nice idea for the Fate novel. Still, now it's just a waifu fest. The point is that is totally unnecessary. I'm reasonably certain there are a lot of women in literature and history. In fact I do not think they need to resort to gender change to have a large harem squad.
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>>159724749
>people think gender is an east / west thing
the words cant come to me to explain just how retarded you are
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>>159724714
About Karna, From what I read, He was not exactly a smart guy. Much of his suffering and misfortune stems from bad choices and situations in which he himself choose to go.
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>>159725032
Maybe the words aren't coming to you because you're retarded.
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>>159725014
Exactly this, there are a bunch of interesting characters from history you could use that are both male and female, like Jeanne d'Arc.
The genderbending of random characters doesn't make any fucking sense, all it does it turn a potentially interesting character into waifu-bait. Like how does turning Jack the Ripper into a loli make the writing ANY better?
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>>159725164
>says the guy who thinks female characters is an eastern thing
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>>159725211
>says the guy nitpicking at irrelevant details of fiction
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>>159724247
>Jannu was pretty fun in Orleans.
waifufag pandering for virgin waifufags = / = fun

>she becomes Sieg's romantic interest a
But that is of the least importance, MC's main romantic interest has always existed in this franchise.

>She's decent enough as the war overseer at first
She's quite boring and bland in this part, a typical robotic kuudere without deredere
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>>159725259
>turning potentially interesting characters into waifu-bait is irrelevant
i bet you liked eromanga sensei
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>>159725014
>but I would like more relevance for the various sources
What do you mean with this exactly?

>Still, now it's just a waifu fest.
And there's a gorillion of male servants too. What's the point you are trying to make here exactly? That every franchise with more than 1 female character is a waifufest?

>he point is that is totally unnecessary.
Maybe. According to who? Your subjective standards?

>I'm reasonably certain there are a lot of women in literature and history. In fact I do not think they need to resort to gender change to have a large harem squad.
Indeed there are, which you would easily see if you knew anything about Fate and noticed how many other female Servants of many origins exist.

>>159725166
>Like how does turning Jack the Ripper into a loli make the writing ANY better?
It's an interesting twist on the character, that's how.

>Generic old british fancy dude who murders prostitutes because he's /r9k/
Or
>The embodiment of all the aborted children on that era who couldn't be born and never felt their mother's love

Couple this with Atalanta's wish being for all the kids in the world to be raised with love and you have a good conflict going, specially with them both being on opposing sides.
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>>159725332
>scantily clad loli is an interesting twist
i guess i shouldn't expect more from here
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Boy, I think I prefer the Astolfofags over these little bitches whining about franchises they know nothing about. Even secondaries at least have watched the various anime adaptations, you can tell all the knowledge these idiots are secondhand stuff they parrot like because they unable to form their own opinions.
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>>159725386
>If I ignore the point you made and pretend the point you made is my strawman then I win the discussion!
Here's your last (you)
Have a nice day.
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>>159725319
>thinks own labels is relevant
i bet you like tumblr
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>>159725504
>cant come up with any reasoning
>i know ill call him tumblr xddx
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I don't have anything against genderbend male famous historical figures, but I kinda wish there was any genderbend female because why the fuck not, let's get crazy.
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>>159725545
You are the same, retard.
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>>159725552
But we already have genderbent Arthuria Otomege Edition!
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>>159725552
Strange Fake has something about sorcerer living so long and changing bodies, he is now she and summons herself in male version.
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>>159725710
That's Prelati.

>Become a little girl after a gorillion of body swaps
>Summon yourself from your first body as a Servant
>Eat candy together
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>>159725645
Does this even count if he's supposed to be male anyway.
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>>159725552
some examples of female historical figures would be nice
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>>159725645
shoujoshit
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>>159716779
I want to love her and take responsibility for her.
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>>159725846
Technically, it does because Arthuria is female in Type Moon Universe.

>>159725917
It's no wonder Takeuchi told Nasu to change the original idea. It sounds like Twilight when you think about it.

>I am a normal, average, girl but I'm also secretly a mage but I'm super bad at it except this one super specialized thing that's actually super powerful but everyone says it's shit because it's not normal magic and also when I take my glasses off my beauty is enough to captivate two legendary beings of tremendous power who compete for my affections.

It really was an otomege.
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>>159716779
She was so eager for the horsecock. Just look at that blush.
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>>159725552
>this is your Jean for tonight
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>>159726051
They don't call her Fiore 'If it's not a foot long, I'm keeping my thong' Yggdmillennia for nothing.
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>Make a spin-off about Ilya.
>It's about some completed unrelated not-Ilya character with Ilya's name.
fuck this shitty anime I wanted Ilya, not this... whoever the fuck this is supposed to be.
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>>159726439
John D'arc!?
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>>159726051
Is Fiore "Intercourse with a horse" Yggdmillennia the biggest slut in the fate series?
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>>159726837
That's my daughter
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>>159726916
Daddy!
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>>159726791
I hate that faker too
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>>159726791
when they going to make an spin off anime about astolfo and shota Iskandar doing cute things?
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>>159726791
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>>159727092
>>>/u/
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>>159727147
>/y/
FTFY
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Activate Semiposting
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>>159726051
Well, the name Fiore '15 inch is so last decade" Yggdmillennia is not just for show.
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>>159727094
Must be tough being conjoined twins.
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>>159727092
Gross, if one of them doesn't have a dick get that shit off of /a/.
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>>159727285
SEMI GIVES ME A SEMI!
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FGO was a mistake
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>>159721806
>Alexander was real
>Gilles was real
They kicked ass too
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>>159727462
>FGO
generic harem battle with a self-insert Beta MC
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>>159726791
Did berserker ever get the batteries? Also holy shit this captcha
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>>159726051
Maybe she just wanted a horse to ride around with because she's a fucking cripple. Riding around on a centaur would be a lot cooler than being stuck in a shitty wheelchair. Why can't she just fix herself with magic anyways?
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>>159727462
FGO is so fucking bad but it's free and easy to waste time at work with.
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>>159727901
Because her magical circuits are in her legs so fixing her legs means removing them.
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>>159726038
>I'm also secretly a mage but I'm super bad at it except this one super specialized thing that's actually super powerful but everyone says it's shit because it's not normal magic
EVERY
BATTLE HAREM
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>>159727974
I wasn't even aware that magic circuits could be centered around a particular body part only. Does her chuuni arm have them as well or is that prosthetic?
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>>159726916
You shouldn't let your daugther dress like that.
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>>159727912
that's the least of the problem with the game, if it was playable. The time you spend staring at loading screen is infuriating, and this fucking shit drains your battery like nothing else, all for sake of few pretty animations.
You need ungodly amount of autism to deal with the game for extended period of time.
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>>159727901
>Riding around on a centaur would be a lot cooler than being stuck in a shitty wheelchair.
And you know what's better than that? Going full Doc Ock >>159720692

>>159728067
>I wasn't even aware that magic circuits could be centered around a particular body part only.
Did you forget how Illya's body was LITERALLY nothing but Magic Circuits?

>Does her chuuni arm have them as well or is that prosthetic?
That's her Mystic Code.
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>>159728067
Just a glove.
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>>159728091
But she thinks it looks cute
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>>159728118
>Did you forget how Illya's body was LITERALLY nothing but Magic Circuits?
I didn't but I thought that was the case for all mages. I don't know I'm not deep into the lore of the franchise. So are somebody like Shirou's circuits only in his arms to do his trace?
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When does Gudako show up?
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Bitch you're weakness is a flight of stairs. Is she cursed or something why is she in a wheelchair? Magic exists can magic not heal her legs or something.I already saw that picture that showed her going full Doc Ock so why doesn't she do the same thing to her legs.
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>>159728609
Read
The
Fucking
Thread
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>>159719056
>>159720032
Vive la France!
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>>159728103
Not to mention you NEED to be online to play it, even the campaign that throws NPC support servants at you so you don't have to rent someone else's.
Fucking why?
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Somebody posted a very well drawn picture of Mordred's gauntlet-clad hands holding her helmet in a field of fire a few threads ago.
I am a based retard and cannot find it, even after scouring the booru's and pixiv.

Anybody know what I'm talking about?
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So is Sieg the gary stu servant in this war and Mordred is going to lose like a bitch?
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>>159728772
At least its for free.
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>>159728938
Mordred's master gets poisoned and she decides to die with him because he's just that nice of a dad.
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>>159716013
Is this Shirou still made of swords?
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>>159729038
Damn, that makes me like her even more despite it being sad.
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>>159728938
Mordred dies in a mutual kill with Semiramis.
Kairi is dying too and he tells hem to go find someone else to contract so she can survive and she says fuck that I'll die with you because you are my bro and they have one last smoke together.

Mordred and Kairi are by far the people who get treated with the most respect and as separate entities who do things on their own instead of being part of the universe who bends to Sieg's character. I won't be surprised that most people will want to keep watching just for them both after Apocrypha starts to shit the bed.
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>>159729112
That's not Shirou though.
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>>159728938
>Mordred is going to lose like a bitch?
If there's one thing going for this series, its that Mordred is always kicking ass.
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>>159728901
are you sure she was holding helmet?
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>>159727462
FEA ruined fire emblem.
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>>159729130
>because you are my DAD, HOLY FUCK I HAVE A DAD FETISH

Fixed.
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>>159729189
I guess that works too.
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>>159721695
Berserker is also a wild card. If black got Spartacus for some reason as their Berserker he probably would of attacked them since Vlad stands as an oppressor.
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>>159728901
Is it this one?

http://fategrandorder.wikia.com/wiki/Who_Am_I
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>>159729130
>after Apocrypha starts to shit the bed.

So what exactly happens in this?
Asking with detailed information if possible.
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>>159729243
People hate it because the MC gets both their waifus.
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>>159729306
There are actually people who don't rank Mordred as the best girl in this show?
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>>159729148
Yep. It was from her PoV.

>>159729237
Oh, yes that would be it. Could've sworn it was higher res. Either way, thanks!
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>People complain that every Fate show has a Saber clone and are getting tired of it
>Apocrypha's Saber clone is actually the best girl in the series

What the fuck man
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>>159729498
Jeanne is boring as hell.
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>>159729498
Mordred is allowed to be a Saber clone on the basis of being Saber's son (female).
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>>159729243
Midway, when Siegfried sacrifices himself to save an Homunculus named Sieg.

Have you ever seen those super bland MC whose only character traits are that he's a super moralfag and that everyone likes because "he's kind and pure" and everything in the story revolves around him and everything in the story bends so he can succeed even in situations where he obviously should not succeed? That's Sieg. You have a 7vs7 Servants clusterfuck and then the author decided to focus on Sieg and his little group taking away focus from everyone else who are much more interesting Servants and Masters.
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>>159729498
>People complain that every Fate show has a Saber clone and are getting tired of it
That's why you never listen to secondaries.
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>>159729604
Well, fuck.
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So can someone summarize Volume 3 chapter 4. Shits not translated and I skipped to the beginning of volume 4 and have no idea what going on.
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>>159729604
>super moralfag
Stop reading right there. Anyone who use that phrase is a sociopath.
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>>159729835
>Anyone who use that phrase is a sociopath.
Wut
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>>159729625
What? Wouldn't it be the secondaries who don't notice how many saber clones are in everything?
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>>159729883
Not him but you're complaining that someone's moral compass is in the right place. That's not just stupid, but it's also troubling.
That's like complaining everyone doesn't regularly throw babies out windows out of fear of being too nice.
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>>159729921
Any primary would know how many Saberfaces there are at this point and wouldn't give a fuck anymore because the joke has long since been ran into the ground and it's just a normal part of Type Moon no one minds much.

Secondaries are the ones always bitching about it like if there's a Saber Holy Grail War on every Type Moon work and all of them are also genderbent Saberfaces.

>>159729961
You do realize we are talking in anime terms, right? Stop bringing in IRL comparisons here, idiot.
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>>159723886

OP's album cover? Too bad, I was kind of hoping for Inori cosplaying as a servant.
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>>159730013
>Any primary would know how many Saberfaces there are at this point and wouldn't give a fuck anymore because the joke has long since been ran into the ground and it's just a normal part of Type Moon no one minds much.
So we're supposed to be okay and happy with it? People like me who watched the DEEN adaptation as it was airing and then read the VN immediately after are supposed to be okay with Saber's design being so completely shredded of it's uniqueness that she appears bland and generic now? It's still a legitimate complaint and you sound like a hipster clenching his cheeks in anticipation of the next opportunity to call someone a secondary.
This is an anonymous imageboard, it's fine if you want to jokingly jump to conclusions but if you're going to jump to conclusions you need to make your sarcasm more obvious, because doing so with a straight face is just pure idiocy.
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>>159730221
>after are supposed to be okay with Saber's design being so completely shredded of it's uniqueness that she appears bland and generic now?
See, what you are doing is good. You are actually giving a reason as to why you don't like Saberfaces, you are expressing yourself, articulating, you are giving a proper opinion. You are not just going baaaaw Saberfaces baaaaw genderbending baaaaw baaaw like 99% of the posts who do that. It makes for a world of a different impression, don't you think?
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>>159730221

I'm sorry you like a shitty franchise?
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>>159729130
>>159729243
>>159729604
>There are people who still fall into this tripefag bait.

this dedicated shitposter has been posting the same shit for the last two weeks.
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>>159730623
Says the one posting on a thread of said franchise.

It's amazing how many people who say they hate Type Moon and yet keep posting on these threads religiously like if their life depends on it. Are you guys just tsundere or something?
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>>159730638
What happens instead then cleverboy? Illuminate us with the supposed reality.
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>>159730638
Everyone has been posting this for years and well beyond Apocrypha's anime was even announced. Why are you trying to damage control so hard for Sieg, anon? Are you Jeanne or something? How many Dragons Cocks were you paid for that post?
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>>159726051
>>159726788
>>159727381
10/10
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>>159713394
>Due to having been rebuked for her lack of emotion, she tries to be sensitive of people's feelings. When she noticed that Caules was painfully forcing himself to speak coldly as he used his final Command Spell, Frankenstein realized the seemingly miraculous fact that “someone would feel sorrow over her death.” That was, without a doubt, the first precious and beautiful experience in her entire life.
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>>159731830
Frankenstein is cute.

CUTE!
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>>159730707
>>159730832
So what exactly happens in this?
Asking with DETAILED INFORMATION if possible.
>>
Is Sieg better or worse than Shirou?
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>>159732238
Worse.
Much, much worse.
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>>159732238
>Shirou
>Bad
Sieg is EXCEEDINGLY milquetoast.
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>>159732138
What you were told happens is what happens. Don't pay attention that shitposter, he's been at it since Apocrypha started to air that it is not what happens despite these events being common knowledge for years.
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>>159732238
Even Gudao is better than Sieg.
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>>159732250
>Worse.
>Much, much worse.

>>159732277
>Sieg is EXCEEDINGLY milquetoast.

So what exactly happens in this?
Asking with detailed information if possible.
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>>159732379
So what exactly happens in this?
Asking with detailed information if possible.
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>>159732452
>>159732418
>>159732138
So what exactly happens in this?
Asking with detailed information if possible.
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>>159732524
You know Zero? Imagine if Shirou showed up halfway through and turned it into UBW.
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>>159732238
>Thinking Shirou is bad
Kill yourself Zerofag
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>>159732524
>>159732452
>>159732138
Holy shit go fucking read the novels or the summaries at Beast Lair if you want to get spoiled so much. We are not your spoonfeeding army.
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So instead of sending 50 random-ass mages, why didn't they just have Bazett solo Dracula with her Irish kung fu?
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>>159732674
Stop taking the bait, retard.
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>>159713506
>Mord tits bigger than Dad's tits
I think this is a lie, Dad is bigger.
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>>159732756
Because Amakusa wanted to force the war for him to hijack the Grail
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>>159716192
Why is Spartacus crazy again?
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>>159732756
She was too busy with her harem.
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>>159730638
Whenever you see a hate headcanon, followed by ''so what exactly happens in this?'' and ''Asking with detailed information if possible''.

Don't respond to it, just ignore and report it, and move on.
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>>159716192
shirou is the main villain
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>>159713626
Is this our Kayneth?
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>>159733027
>Christians
>Japan
You should have been able to call it based on this alone.
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>>159716192
Apocrypha first two volumes = FZ style story.
Apocrypha last two volumes = FSN.

FSN is a waste of a good premise
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>>159732238
They're just as bad as each other.
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>>159732915
He's not crazy.

He's super sane.
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>>159733101
Unless it's a cute girl of course.
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>>159732238
he is not one of those typical beta harem MCs with multiple love interests that are found in practically every visual novel. So he is much, much more better than VN MCs.
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>>159735464
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>>159732964
Angra Mainyu was a cool dude
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>>159735550
The coolest.
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Is there a single Servant in Apocrypha that Taiga couldn't beat in a one on one fight?
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>>159736473
Sieg
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>>159735464
(you)
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>>159732598
This sounds pretty bad.
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>>159732964
I think I would actually play this.
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I want to have rough crazy sex with Mordred after I'm done having rough crazy sex with Arturia.
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>>159721695
why doesnt everyone except the intended winner just forfeit?
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>>159721810
whats with her master? Why is she so horny?
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>>159716524
At least Karna has Extra too
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This is a very cute boy.
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>>159739245
I want to breed that incest boy.
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>>159738372
The Servants would kill them, and everyone involved wants to win. They might, possibly, be able to convince the humans to give up ultimate power beforehand, but Servants only allow themselves to be summoned on the condition that they get a shot at the Grail.
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>>159739245
That's my cute step-daughter.
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>>159739309
I hope you'll let me take your step-son's hand in marriage.
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>>159739399
That's clearly a girl, though.
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>>159713394
Also, is the guy on the poster and the opening gonna ne Ruler's Master somehow? I'm pretty sure he's a homonculus.
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>>159739681
Rulers are special servants that serve solely as moderators of the Holy Grail War. They can function without a master.
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>>159713515
>>159713627
>Frankensteins monster isn't a QT goth edgelord girl

I don't know why I'm mad about this, but I am.
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>>159739278
command seal their servants to kill themselves then. don't tell them first, obv
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>>159740799
Won't work even with command seals. They would ignore it, rip your arm off, then beat you to death with your own arm before running off to fight the other servants or find a master who isn't a bootlick. Command seals only work to an extent, and any servant would resist all the command seals in the world if it amounted to "lose the Grail War" out of pure anger.

Even taking that into account, every Master wants to win, too. Even Katawa Shoujo Wheelchair Girl is willing to murder her own brother for the Grail.
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>>159740990
>Won't work even with command seals.
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Can we decide on Command Spell or Command Seal?
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>>159740990
>forgetting Zero's ending
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this fate is fucking garbage
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>>159741239
Why are you watching it then?
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>making so many historical male characters into females for fat weebs to jerk their small cocks over

Fuck Type Moon. Fuck their shitty writing, fuck their defamation and insults to history.
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>>159741498
Nasu: Fate was originally a story I wrote when I was in college. In it the gender of Saber and Shirou were opposite to now, but the essential theme had not been changed, it's the story about legendary heroes and "a boy meets a girl."

Takeuchi: I created it because I just liked it, and I wanted to make something like Tsukihime, but more sophisticated. I changed the character's gender, in order to have them fit in with the gamers today. As a product I do feel like it has grown much more than I expected. Whenever we said that 『Fate』 was over and done with, it would refuse to die. I suppose it’s only natural to love and revere something that you have spent so much time cultivating and being so fulfilled by, and to become so attached to it. I don’t mean to be obsessive, but I do want to treat this with utmost care, as we have done up until this point.

Nasu: At first I'd aimed for CCC to be something that can be enjoyed on its own, even more so with Extra. And that Extra can be enjoyed even more with CCC, like Fate/hollow ataraxia to Fate/stay night. But as I wrote the scenario, I became aware of a desire to state the "answer" of the Fate series, which has been continuing for almost ten years now. After ten years, I finally realized that "this is what I wanted to say with the Fate series." If I'm able to complete this, then there'll no longer be anything left for me to say.

Takeuchi: 『Fate』 is really interesting isn’t it? We have the room to think about new possibilities. We will not make a direct sequel, but we’ll go for anything that seems interesting.

Nasu: The 『Fate』 I want to make now is that one, 『Fate Musou』. (laughs)

Takeuchi: It’s fun to look back on it because it’s been so long, and just how much we have drawn. I’m so impressed with myself.

Nasu: So the last entry to tie up the Fate series has been released, and I guess we finally close the book on the Fate canon this time.
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>>159741498
>So many

The amount of genderbent characters are in the vast minority.
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>>159741194
Servants can and have ignored command seals. It's even been brought up in this anime particular itself.
>>159741234
>Forgetting the reason
Different timeline. The game was rigged and they knew it. Also, the Servant wasn't told to explicitly kill itself. The Grail in Apocrypha isn't corrupted by Avenger.
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>>159740990
>Won't work even with command seals.
Command suicide is one of the things the seals are meant for, dumbfuck.
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>>159734944
Nah, she's good because she betrayed her beliefs.
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>>159741528
>The amount of genderbent characters are in the vast minority
I don't remember scourge of rome was a brown loli
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>>159741534
>The Grail in Apocrypha isn't corrupted by Avenger.
Doesn't matter. Matou invented the Command Spells for the sole purpose of ordering Servants to kill themselves. Hell, you have three of them if their will is too strong.
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>>159740990
>>159739278
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pure love
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>>159742277
This is the real OTP
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>>159740990
And you are telling me that you could not put your servant in a position to be easily killed when they have complete faith in you because you are a team trying to win the grail, and even if they did not have total faith you could command them to do so.

You are telling me that with 50 years of setup, you couldnt kill off your own servant?
WTF?
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is the composer for the F/A soundtrack the same person behind the IBO soundtrack? they sound so similar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9NcArfPxMM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9flOsLaQ20
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>>159742538
They didn't actually set up anything. They spent 50 years gathering mana in Greater Grail
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>>159742637
They didn't spend 50 years twiddling their thumbs while doing that either though. Besides, Zero and SN showed that even without that much prep killing off a Servant via Command Seals isn't all that difficult.
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>>159742538
>Kirei
>Lancer, kill yourself
>Lancer stabs himself and then stabs Kirei, because death isn't instant
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>>159742538
Why would the Master in a Grail War specifically join to lose?

>Be Master in Black
>Get told to command your Servant to kill itself
>Stand around waiting for the other five Masters to order their Servant to kill itself because one of the other Masters might just be waiting for you to do the same thing so they could order their Servant to kill you once you killed yours

You would have to be literally retarded to order your servant to kill itself when you have a chance at the Grail.
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>>159715902
That was dumb and it wasn't even funny.
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>>159741701

You don't know shit about the Scourge of Rome because all the information we have about Atilla is fragments written by his enemies hundreds of years after his death, and half-remembered legends from people he conquered. There's not even a total consensus about where the Huns came from and where Atilla's name came from. He may be one of the single most mysterious major figures in history. For all you know he absolutely could have been a brown loli.
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>>159742737
Why couldn't they pull and Archer and pretend to die? Then, if the other servants kill themselves, the one pretending to be dead can strike out of nowhere.
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Is fat Hitler mad because he got Sumanai and can't reroll ?
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>>159742706

Arturia is the only Servant we ever see resist command spells, and she has A+ rank Magic Resistance AND it takes every ounce of her willpower on top of that and she is crippled from doing anything else. Lancer obeys the command instantly with B+, he only acts afterward because of Battle Continuation.

People saying Command Seals don't work are fools.
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>>159743133
That's the thing. Every other one would probably do that, which is why it's strange to ask the question in the first place. This isn't like Stay Night where there were unwilling and ignorant masters. Everyone on Team Black wants to be a master. They want to win, and they're willing to kill anyone to do that. The Grail could literally just bring them back to life if they felt like it.
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How do we make Casters Berserkers and Assassins not shit every time?
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>>159743221
>because of
We see only lancers kills themselves though. Maybe other classes would survive too, like Gil who lived for a bit after Saber slashed him
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>>159742590

>no murder manlet servant with a giant metal golem that shoots stuff.
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>>159743221
>>159743374
We see only Lancers kill themselves, but Lancers tend to be the best at quick, clean kills as well. We've seen Servants obey, but diminish the intent of Command Spells before. This shows up in the prologue of Stay Night, for instance, when Rin orders Archer vaguely to obey her. Taking that into account, a Servant, theoretically, could just wound themselves if ordered to kill themselves. Of course, ordering a Servant to kill itself is a very specific and sudden one which is highly likely to overwhelm a Servant's ability to resist.

I would imagine it would be a lot harder to order Berserker Hercules to kill himself, and the Berserker class in general might be resistant to such orders with how much effort is required in controlling them in the first place.
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>>159743002
>Mysterious
>No record of Attila as a woman
>No record of any Hunnic ruler being a woman
>Not a single one
>Could be a loli
fate is regret.
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As a "filthy secondary", I think Nero >>> Seiba >>>>Mordred.
How accurate is this assessment?
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>>159743525

Lancelot wasn't resistant to his command spell orders, and his involved using skills outside his normal class limits and literally being sane for a while.
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>>159743603

The huns had no records of their own PERIOD and there are barely any records of the huns that survive even among those records their enemies kept. There could be fifty female hunnic rulers and you'd have no clue.
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>>159715551
I need this in my life
where is a good torrent
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>>159743320
fat
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>>159713394
Manga gave us Chuuniman cameo. I just hope the anime would as well.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efdN69QscAg
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>>159743645
Switch Mordred and Seiba and it's accurate, unless you're talking about edgy seiba
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>>159716403
>Let's take Fate/Zero and...
>Turn it into FSN halfway! Because FSN IS BETTER RIGHT?
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>>159716452
But she didn't? She basically fulfilled her duty to the very end and then was reunited with Sieg. God never really disapproved that. She always talk of him as very gentle and kind too.
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>>159743684
Attila is a man's name. Mete is a man's name. Genghis is a man's name. Teoman is a man's name. People are given those names even to this day. There are extensive records of the battles he's been in. Nobody reports a brown loli because that's retarded. He didn't use an lgbtq sword that shoot lazerbeams. Why don't you stop arguing and just say that you are okay with this loli named after your favorite ruler? 98% of the notable combatants in history are male because that's what it is. Most of the notable servants in fate especially go are female. That is fate. Arguing that fate has more relation to history other than namedropping and inspiration for the character stereotypes is stupid.
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>>159743901
I wonder if they will literally animate Karna's fight with Siegfried the same manner as the fgo CM
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>>159743002
>There is no total consensus where the Huns came from.
What?
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>>159725645
Reminder Arthur can slice through 30 tentacles that are about as powerful as an anti-army attack/np each as one arm is busy holding loli Ayaka immediately after he lost his Master and is starting to disappear. He's able to Excablistast twice to the Beast of Revelations, again as he fades away without Master and weary from battling two Servants, as he kept young Ayaka safe to protect her and Tokyo by the sheer willpower, making UBW Herakles look like a fucking pussy.

While Artoria gets beaten up by a high school teacher.
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>>159744222
Nevermind FZ Arturia that just gets constantly shat on
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>>159744104
He's a retarded waifufag who is trying to justify his shitty alien OC is 'historical accurate'.
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>>159744067

Maybe you should contain your autism and stop getting mad about cartoons just because they present alternate history that you don't like because... reasons I guess.
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>>159744278
FZ Arturia never got beaten up by Gilles Master, or by any Master. FSN Arturia is far more embarrassing, take off your waifu goggles. She even needs to suck a dick to power up, anon.
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>>159744067
Attila is a man in Arthur's world. He's mentioned as Bryn's brother and Bryn doesn't know who the fuck Altera is supposed to be.
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>>159744104

The Eurasian Steppes are big. Scholars have speculated forever exactly where "The Huns," as a distinct organized ethnicity were born, which steppe tribes they initially integrated during their ethnogenesis and where it happened. There are no clear answers because the Huns didn't keep records. It's all speculation. Almost everything we think about the Huns is speculation. Getting upset about Waifubait Atilla is like one of the stupidest possible things you could get mad about in Fate because so much that we know about the Huns is second hand, hundreds of years out of their time and suspect at best. They're a blank canvas.

Get pissed about Ushiwakamaru, they didn't even TRY to justify her being a woman and also almost naked. Get pissed about Chevalier d'Eon being a weird quantum hermaphrodite instead of the much more likely reality that he was a man with abnormally puffy breasts. Get mad about Hans Christian Anderson being 5 years old or Enkidu being made of mud, or Saint Martha dressing like a slut. There's a million way more legitimate grievances you could bring about Fate alternate history than making a person for whom there exists not one single first-hand account in all recorded history secretly being a woman. At least she has that excuse.
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>>159743901
There is only one thing I hope the anime gives me.
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>>159744575
Bro Enkidu was made out of clay and spit in the original epic of gilgamesh that's not Fate shit.

Also Altera isn't even from the eurasian steppes let alone planet earth.
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>>159744575
>Getting mad at Attila is stupid.
Trying to defend waifubait Attila is even stupider. Especially since a fucking Pope met with the real Attila and recorded them as a man.

It doesn't help we also know the fucking Huns came from Scythia were a bunch of nomadic tribes were known to merge with another.
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>>159744758

The Huns are from the Eurasian Steppes, and that's where they found her, in the ruins of the civilization she'd destroyed centuries earlier. Her tatoos were divine markings by their religion and she was such a force of nature on the battlefield to the point of slaying whole armies herself that they made her their leader regardless of their gender, seeing her more as a war god than a woman. She's the one who drove them and their nomadic drive toward Europe because of an instinctive impulse to seek out and eliminate civilizations, of which Rome was the biggest.

It's not a bad backstory.

(Also Enkidu may have been made out of clay, but he wasn't a shapeshifting mud monster, which is what I was talking about)
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>>159744575
I give a pass to d'Eon. While they could have played it completely straight and just made him a trap like Astolfo, their interpretation is more of an interesting twist that is based on his actual feats and history.
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>People are arguing about historical accuracy in a work of fiction that does not care about history, its accuracy, or the people of history.
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>>159744813

There is not a single first-hand account of the meeting between Leo I and Atilla. All of the accounts we do have were written years afterward, almost all of them by people who weren't even alive when the meeting happened. The most famous account of the meeting wasn't written until THREE CENTURIES LATER. Do you know anything about history that isn't in a cliffs notes pamphlet?
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>>159743325
>Implying Casters are bad

Solomon is basically the strongest Servant you can summon in real terms. He has a good chance of beating even Gilgamesh, given that Gilgamesh's power is perpetually constrained by his carelessness and arrogance.

>Implying Berserkers are bad

Both Hercules and Lancelot were some of the most dangerous Servants in their respective wars.

>Implying Assassins are bad

This is a product of them being perpetually misused in the main works. Kojirou isn't an actual Assassin and could only be used to guard the gate to which he was tied. Hundred-Face was intentionally meant to be sacrificed to help Tokiomi win. Cursed Arm, on the other hand, actually had a great performance. He defeated both Lancer and Saber in a straight-up fight, despite being canonically the most mediocre of the Hassans.

Furthermore, in the sidestories where Grail War rituals begin appearing all over the world, Assassins are consistently one of the best performers.
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>>159744932
Prosper of Aquitaine a Saint who was alive at the time of the meeting and wrote about it straight out says Attila is a male dumb ass.
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>>159735488
>>159736575
>>159744997
So what exactly happens in this?
Asking with detailed information if possible.


>So what exactly happens in this?
>Asking with detailed information if possible.
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>>159743325
Make Caster Indrajit and do not nerf him to shit like with Karna.
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>>159745015

Prosper of Aquitaine also wrote that the reason Attila abandoned his campaign after that meeting Pope Leo was because he was so cool and awe-inspiring that just meeting him was enough for the warlord to call off his invasion. Also he was not at the meeting. Now that's a reliable source right there.

Look, obviously Atilla was a man in real life, the point is there is breathing room for recasting him as a woman, a hundred fucking times more breathing room than almost any other historical figure that gender-bends in Fate because the huge majority of what we know about him was written by his enemies or those who were born long after his death, in most cases BOTH. The fact that this is the thing you're fixating on rather than the half-dozen examples where there is not even a lip-service excuse provided is absurd.
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>>159744758
>Bro Enkidu was made out of clay and spit in the original epic of gilgamesh that's not Fate shit.
Are you expecting to an Ayylterafag to be aware of anything they spout? Kek.
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Are all Alterafags as cancerous and dumb to say that Attila the Hun being one-dimensional autistic moeblob alien waifu was historical accurate?
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>>159721259
Rama is a human avatar of Vishnu. So yeah, while he may retain that God status, he's very much human.

Krishna is a true and true paradox though. That fucker knew exactly who he was and was smug about it.
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>>159744845
Stop justifying that piece of shit character. She had NOTHING to do with Attila and all her fucking sob backstory in her shitty route was about her alien part. She had the Attila shit forced on her to make her a Servant. She could have been called ET and nothing would have changed.

>but he wasn't a shapeshifting mud monster,
The tablets aren't descriptive, but there was a feminization of Enkidu and a transformation of his education with the harlot. He became from some giant burly strong creature to something more humanoid and feminine (enough to wear the whore's clothes after she groomed him and removed all his hair).
While it's an interpretation, there's an actual basis of where it was taken and Enkidu IS Enkidu, his identity as Enkidu is important. Attila part of Altera is completely irrelevant because her boring as fuck alien blues which have SHIT to do with the hun are the focus of her awful character.

Let's take seiba's example, imagine if instead of focusing her character over her failings or not failing of King Arthur, they focus on her issues about being a dragon-girl. That's how bad Altera's character is and why she was a fucking flop in Japan.
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>>159725152
>going to the cow herder and apologising for killing it
>swatting away the insect instead of letting it bite so as to not disturb teacher
Yeah. The damn fool was an honorable idiot. Which is why it's tragic of course. Most heroes are.
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>>159744953
why is Karna so understated? Isn't he OP as what the lore suggest?
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>>159744953
Gilgamesh isn't even of the crown station, of course he's weaker. King Hassan and Solomon are just on another level.
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>>159745264
>>159745297

Why are you even posting in a Fate thread? You should have quit on day fucking one when King Arthur was a woman if you're going to throw cunty hissyfits every single time a Servant isn't exactly like reality/literature. If you don't like female Atilla then just drop the fucking franchise and leave the threads for people who aren't so easily baited.
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>>159745413
Who's underrating Karna? Everyone knows he's an extremely powerful Servant and a strong candidate for being the motherfucking Grand Lancer.
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>>159745431
Not him, but Artoria's issues are related to her character as King Arthur, you fucking retard. Being King Arthur is what defined her characterization and backstory.

Altera is literally a fucking waste of space and ink and a good heroic spirit because her entire character is all about her convoluted shitty alien backstory, and the Huns are nothing but a footnote. I have no problem if someone wants to waifu an actual genderbent version of Attila the Hun, Altera isn't that, though.
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>>159745431
Just because it's fiction doesn't mean you have to have retarded designs in it. The writing is getting really fuckinf terrible. I can excuse King Arthur a bit because he is a mythical character that didn't actually exist. But making Attila a fucking girl? Or Jack tge Ripper blatant lolishit that exists solely for fapbait? Or Da Vinci as a female? This is just fucking stupid and degrades from the series overall. There are plenty of famous female historical and mythical characters without needing to swap genders.
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>>159745396

I never said that I liked Atilla's character, I said being a bitch baby about her being a woman is retarded.

I admit I like her backstory of being a living weapons the Huns found in some ruins who went on to take them over. I also like her design, mostly because it looks cool rather than for waifubait purposes (I'm not into Delicious Brown) and her weird lightsaber doesn't bother me although it's not what I would have picked for the Sword of Mars. All that said, I agree her character fucking sucks. Extella is a garbage game and her returning for Grand Order was stupid.

But bitching because she is a woman is fuck retarded when there's a million better Servants to bitch about it with first.
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>>159742737
because i dont know the story and assumed they were just getting the grail for the bossman out of loyalty or shared interest
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>>159745536
>Or Da Vinci as a female?
Da Vinci is male.
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>>159745571
Nope. http://fategrandorder.wikia.com/wiki/Leonardo_Da_Vinci
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>>159745556
I agree with bitching with a woman is stupid, her character has bigger problems than the genderbent shit.
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>>159745536

If you don't like Jack the Ripper being a creep-ass little murder girl who is the gestalt souls of all the children killed by the Industrial Revolution out to avenge themselves on a world that callously used them up and discarded them, go home because that shit is metal as fuck. Her costume is shit though. When I get her in grand order I'm never taking her orphan rags off, those make her design ten times better.
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>>159745593
Da Vinci is male. He shapeshifted into Mona Lisa after being summoned, and keeps a male puppet fashioned as himself to serve as anchor Master in 'her' workshop.

It's based on the theory Mona Lisa was Da Vinci in a drag. It's basically a transexual character not a genderbent.
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>>159745593
He used the power of SUPER SCIENCE to change himself into the Mona Lisa after being summoned, because he is a dirty old man. Appearance aside, he is still a guy.

>inb4 more butthurt whining
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>>159745598

I'm glad we could come to a mutual understanding then. Cheers friendo.
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>>159745593
>Leonardo Da Vinci based his Servant appearance on his artwork - Mona Lisa.
As the story and mats explain, Da Vinci is born male. Was gay as fuck and lover of Michelangelo too.

Nasu being progressive.
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>>159745627
>Her costume is shit though.
I think that's also part of the issue. Attila could also get herself some badass outfits that represented a tiny bit of the culture but they couldn't step away from presenting that DFC whenever possible
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>>159745593
>Linking the wiki to someone who knows what they're talking about, while immediately disqualifying yourself from knowing what you're talking about.
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>>159745645
>because he is a dirty old man.
That's what he claims, sure he loves Mona Lisa, but is kind of like a platonic aesthetics rather than sexual attraction. Da Vinci keeps a collection of MEN she wants to fuck, and all 'her' (his) lovers in life were guys. The only person Da Vinci has serious romantic feelings for is a man too.

Honestly, she's given a fuck about women.
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>>159745627
He wasn't a fucking female, don't even pretend that the design isn't anything other than pandering to fat otakus looking for a loli to fap to.

>>159745637
>>159745645
>HE WAS ACTUALLY MALE HE JUST TRANSFORMED INTO FEMALE!

Holy shit the writing is even worse than I thought. There's no fucking reason for him to become a female, it's just blatant fapbait pandering. There is absolutely no historical evidence to even suggest that Mona Lisa was Da Vinci in drag.

>b-but it's fiction

Doesn't mean you should go full retard with the designs.
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>>159745752
All it really boils down to is this. Otakus want new girls to stroke their dicks to in Fate because Saber is getting old, Type Moon panders by genderswapping the shit out of many male historical figures.

Nothing more, nothing less.
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>>159745752
>>159745785
Fuck off Tumblr.
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>>159745752
>historical evidence
I said it was a popular theory which Nasu used:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/leonardo-da-vincis-mona-lisa-self-portrait/story?id=9662394
https://www.jessewaugh.com/blog/2015/4/3/the-mona-lisa-code-its-a-self-portrait-in-drag

Leonardo was homosexual and, perhaps, transexual. Nasu actually made him homosexual and transexual. It wasn't fapbait pandering when this weirds the fuck out the Nip fanbase (Da Vinci is very unpopular for such a recurrent character). If was fapbait, he would have just genderswapped Leonardo and make them lust for your self-insert, instead made clearly stated they are in love with Dr. Roman and stayed and worked hard for his sake.

>Doesn't mean you should go full retard with the designs.
Her design is just Mona Lisa.
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>>159713394
I HAVE NOT EVEN SEEN THIS SHOW BUT THAT PICTURE BROUGHT A TEAR TO MY EYE WTF
>Is it a sad scene if not then i'm gonna neck myself
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>>159745699

I mean, it's not like they made her design out of whole cloth, you can see Hunnic elements in her outfit, her hair, her veil, all the designs and tattoos on her. Its one of the reasons why I like her design, its cool in and of itself but its not TOTALLY cut off from the character's cultural roots.

That said, I do agree that I would have preferred the chance to see her in some traditional Hun armor and heavy leather and furs. Her alt costumes in Extella are trash, she doesn't get a single good one, and she doesn't have any in GO. Serious bummer.
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>>159745752

Oh, so you know who Jack the Ripper was? You better call Scotland Yard, they'll be super interested in finally closing that case.
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>>159720139
Popularity boost is real

Karna is just overpowered even with no popularity
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>>159745940

Well, he's popular in India and the surrounding regions of Asia. Not for nothing, but that's a pretty large part of the planet's population and has had consistent civilization existing there for a lot of human history.
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Question, what's Mordred actual problem with Arturia?
I know she was kind of a shit King, but still
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>>159744953

Solomon with his ten rings controls all magecraft. Servants themselves are just summons. Lesser magi like Scat fucks with their saint graph with ease, even Knight classes.

It's like summoning Van Helsing in a vampire convention. You don't do it. But you can't summon him, unless you're Marisbilly that ship sailed and he's with God now.
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>>159745966
Mordred was Arthur's bastard child with his sister and wanted to become King, so while Arthur is in France waging a war against Lancelot to uncuck himself Mordred stages a rebellion and takes control of the kingdom.

Arthur heads back and has his men who just got done fighting in France come back and get fucked up. Everyone tells Arthur to let Mordred go after their massive battle, but Arthur is like "I'm going to kill this fucker." Mordred and Arthur both kill each other.

Arthur then goes to Avalon after their last knight decides to toss excalibur into the lake instead of keeping for themselves and rebuilding the kingdom like a normal person loyal to their country would've after selling the dead soldiers armors and training a new army corps. Said knight becomes a hermit praying for Arthur's return.
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>>159745966

Mordred grew up idolizing Arturia as a perfect knight and king, not knowing she was her daughter/clone. She became a Knight of the Round Table seeking to emulate Arthur and stand for Camelot's values (her mother Morgan wanted to use her in a plot to bring the kingdom down, but Mordred didn't give a fuck about Morgan's ambitions)

Years later Mordred was finally told she was Arthur's child, and she went and told Arthur, asking to be legitimized as his son and named Heir to the throne. Arthur accepted that Mordred was his son, but refused the request. Mordred thought it was only because Arthur hated Morgan, when in reality it was because Arthur recognized that Mordred lacked the capacity to be King.

Because of this misconception, Mordred's admiration for Arthur turned to bitterness, and she started to work toward undermining Arthur's rule. Ironically, she wasn't doing this to bring Camelot down or to hurt Arthur, but rather because he wanted to seize the throne just to prove to his father that he was his equal if not superior, that he had been wrong in his decision not to make him heir.

This culminated in Camlann, and Arthur and Mordred's mutual deaths of course. Mordred died wanting nothing more than to be acknowledged by Arthur as worthy to be his son. Arturia died feeling the full weight of Mordred's feelings through the cursed blow, and realizing more than ever that Tristan had been right when he said that she didn't understand people, and recognizing that it was her mistakes that got her to that Hill of Swords.

Cue the Holy Grail War.
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>>159745966
mordred a cunt
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>>159745966
Arturia killed Mordred
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>>159745471
>Who's underrating Karna?
Gilfags
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>>159745966
Mordred wanted to be acknowledged by her father but did it in the wrong way.

After becoming a Knight of the Round Table, she went up to Saber, explained who she was and what her origins were, and asked to be made her heir. Saber, whose whole shtick was "I am sealing away every aspect of my humanity in order to be the 'ideal king' that can save Britain," refused on the grounds that Mordred lacked the necessary qualities to be a good king. Mordred took this rejection extremely badly, and was especially hurt by how Saber had shown no emotion at all in their whole exchange at all--neither happiness at having a son nor anger at Mordred for being Morgan's tool.

Mordred thus decided to destroy everything King Arthur had created in order to force Saber to look at her. It didn't work. Even at the very end, when almost everyone else at Camlann was dead and Saber + Mordred have their final showdown, Saber (outwardly) gave no fucks. As soon as she killed Mordred, she just turned and left without saying anything.

TLDR: Mordred simultaneously both really adores her father and really hates him as well.
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>>159746249
and then we get to apocrypha, how that lore/background is gonna affect Mordred performance in this war?
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>>159725332
>old british fancy dude who murders prostitutes because he's /r9k/
I have rarely ever seen this done in any anime let alone Fate so I'd say that's actually a pretty interesting idea.
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>>159746310
Mordred actually performs very well in this story, both because she is a powerful hero and because she establishes a very good relationship with her Master. They are easily the most harmonious Master-Servant pairing in this particular war.
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>>159746351
You should perhaps watch/read something besides anime then. What that guy described is the stereotypical media portrayal of the Ripper.
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>>159746398
Sure but that's in non anime media.
Within the realm of anime it's not a very common thing.
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>>159746351

Jack the Ripper can be summoned in any of the 7 classes because its true identity was never discovered, and each class takes on a different form. Loli-Jack is Assassin, Berserker Jack is a formless thought-entity which can take on any form when it physically incarnates from a human to a watch. The traditional Dandy Tophat Serial Killer vision of Jack would probably be a Saber variant.
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Karna is beautiful
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Jack is a bit like Hassan, only not quite. Loli Jack certainly existed at the time, and has her own Berserker version, Berserker Jack is the concept of the serial killer in a Jack mold, so on so on.
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>>159728938
Siegfried is an honorary Lancer
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>>159732238
Shirou is better but Sieg is perfectly fine
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>>159746485
why is this indian white
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>>159746696

Why is Naruto blonde with blue eyes? Arjuna looks Indian at least, in an anime kind of way.
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>>159746696
He is the sun
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>>159746554
>>159746554
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>>159746765
Fuck off general nigger.
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>>159746786
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>>159745952
Yeah but he's not popular in Romania.

If the War was in India Karna could probably win by winking hard.
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>>159746114
How do you know it was Tristan?
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>>159747375

I heard F/GO clarified he was the one who said that to Arturia. I guess we'll know when Camelot comes out.
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