>goku wins tournament
>gets one wish on the super dragon balls
>asks to revive all of the universes erased by zeno
>accidentally restores all of the universes destroyed by zeno from a while back
>next big evil appears
this will probably most likely be the next arc
Murichim is actually god-level strong, the joke is that he seems like a joke character a la Mr Satan but he actually isn't
>keeping your shitty furry thread up for 2 hours just so it can be the next general
your autism is truly a depressing thing to behold
>Goku isn't transforming because he wants to "pace his stamina"
>Literal first thing he did in the tournament was try to fight Toppo, an opponent he knew he would have to go all our for
Are they even aware of their own writing?
>Goku just witnessed Zen-oh's Eraser ability
>Goku makes Jiren realize he is not a bad guy
>Jiren defeats Goku and U7 is erased
>Jiren ends up making the wish out of respect for Goku to revive all the universes and the next big bad shows up
>Goku realizes he is not strong enough and still has someone to rival him
Need more Hop and Sorrel.
Toei Goku is too retarded to pull that off.
>Introduced a powerup for Goku to beat Freeza
>Should have been a one-time thing, or exclusive to Goku
>Vegeta unlocks it from his own sheer will (Fair enough, won't knock that)
>Gary Stu and his cool Sword has it too
>Anyone who isn't a Saiyan can't compete, gets phased out gradually
I'm amazed Krillin hung around as long as he did. Faggots like you are cancer on Dragon Ball.
>muh serious show
>waku waku who wants to learn how to turn blue?
Reminder that Son Goku is beautiful.
>18 defeats the rabbit offscreen
>daily episodic moment with Zenos screaming like annoying brats
>all that time wasted with Jew Kaioshin naming members
>all that wasted time with Goku having a hard time with the animals
>Goku forgetting that despite not sensing ki, he could "hear" the sounds of their movement, something he learned from Kami
>"oh no, iron skin is hard"
>let them save the Blue form because it wastes stamina, they said
>finish dangerfaggotstrio with a big-ass Kamehameha and Final Flash in Blue
>asks to revive all of the universes erased by zeno
>Based Zamasu returns
>Goes Zamasu giygas again on current universe
What happens /a/?
>it only took 5 episodes for super to be more disappointing than gt
I'm still mad
All angels aside from Weiss will turn out to be evil and on a scheme with the Grand Priest to take out Zenos
Zenos will then give Goku angel powers to fight all the motherfuckers
Super Sayan God Angel. And then Goku will bring everyone back.
Yeah, Toei always delivers in brilliant writing
First time watching Dragon Ball?
What did he mean by this /a/?
Why are people so obsessed with Goku losing to people so he'll have a stronger rival to motivate him? I'm fine with Goku not being the strongest but it's Goku, he lives to fight and train, he's going to keep trying to get stronger regardless.
This is exactly why Monaka didn't work properly as a joke and just ended up being stupid.
Vegeta seems to be the only person taking this tournament as serious as it really is pre-u9 erasal.
He instantly goes to help Goku out regardless of the "saiya-jin 1 vs 1 me" mentality.
What a utter clusterfuck this tournament is. Leave it to toei to make dragon ball suer even worse than it already is.
>It's the "we either go SS1 or SSB show".
>because SS2 and SS3 are too hard to draw.
>hurr durr SS2 and SS3 r not NRG effishunt.
fuck this gay series.
Who is the real evil one: Zeno for destroying U9 or Toriyama for scribbling his napkin commandment making it so?
that was an awesome moment you dweeb
I like how you Toyopedros will nitpick the shit out of the anime to shit on it like mindless drones but defend to the death the literal actual garbage writing that the latter half of the manga version of the Zamasu arc is
We waited how long for this?
Sure, but this is the last one. Also, Goku is HUNG. He's ginormous. YUUUGE. Cauli's girlbits are so tiny compared to Goku's dragon balls that they're basically incompatible.
Considering that the leader of Earth's afterlife King Enma was barely aware of existence of other universes (he only heard "rumors"), no, afterlifes are not connected in any way.
AYO HOL UP
*yells at zamasu*
U BE SAYIN
*turns super saiyan god super saiyan rage mode*
*cries about mai*
CAN DO GENKI DAMA N SHIEEET?
Most shows worshipped on /a/ are made for retards
>expecting good fight choreography from Toei
This is a model of u7 with heaven/hell on the top 1/2, mortal plane on the bottom 1/2, the demon word on the bottom tip, and the kai world on the outside. Each universe has their own version of all 4 realms.
>Goku wishes all deleted universes to be restored
Astral Zamasu pops up
ALL deleted universes, including the one Zen-oh Sama deleted with Zamasu on it
It's gonna be ogre
Congratulations, welcome to classic shonen powerlevels after about 3 arcs.
Literally every single buddy from former arc has the same "can hold off against mooks in current threat" powerlevel regardless of race, experience, potential and powers.
Makes sense since there has to be a filler of some sort and at least some plot coherency, but still, doesn't stop it from being shit.
Because the ending itself was fine but was executed poorly
You keep whining about the spirit bomb but you can easily fix it like this:
>have Trunks casually mention he trained with Future Shin and learnt how to do a genkidama
>have Zamasu look more damaged when tanking the Final Kamehameha, so that the viewers can understand all he needed was a finishing move
Bam, everything is fixed
Meanwhile the manga? It's just complete unfixable trash, there is no fixing for Goku doing the Hakai which is the biggest asspull this series has ever had
>happens out of nowhere
>isn't even acknowledged after it happens
At least the spirit bomb was actually foreshadowed as in the fact Trunks was everyone's final hope was constantly built up throughout the arc and at least in the episode after people were like ''wow Trunks you did a genkidama''
Hakai instead just happens and is immediately forgotten, only reaction you have is just Vegeta saying ''that's Beerus' move!'' (even though he never saw it so kek)
So here's an actual argument, can you Toyopedros offer an actual rebuttal that isn't shitposting?
MOSSSSSCO SAMA SAYS...
Nah, they're just angels. Japan relates Christianity with dark powers since the Shimabara war and WW2 didn't help. Also, youkais happen to look like demons while angels look like the gaijins so it's easy for Japan to root for the demons against the angels.
This post can't be serious
>The anime is perfect if they change everything!!!
>The manga sucks because I didn't like it IT CAN'T BE FIXED
Trunks spirit sword had no buildup, are you insane man? This has to be one of the most childish, pathetic posts I've ever seen
It'd of been neat if they revived Dabura instead of putting fucking Roshi on the team.
O MY EXCLUSIVE SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE NOT SSB TRANSFORMATION, WHICH FOR SOME REASON DIDN'T ACTIVATE DURING THE ENTIRE YEAR I SPENT FIGHTING BLACK WHERE HUMANITY WAS BROUGHT TO IT'S KNEES YET AGAIN OR WHEN MY MOTHER AND WAIFU(SEEMINGLY) DIED
Reminder that the Super Dragon Balls can do anything with no limitations as stated by both Beerus, who is a god and Whis, who is an angel.
So eat a dick if Goku wishes on the Super Dragon Balls that all the deleted universes were un-deleted, that is exactly what would happen you colossal faggot.
O MY ABILITY TO MERGE WITH THE UNIVERSE OUT OF NOWHERE DESPITE MY BODY BEING DESTROYED
>two small changes is changing everything
Also yes the Spirit Sword had buildup, or did you miss out how the whole arc had survivors constantly treating Trunks as their final hope?
While the move itself did happen out of nowhere, AT LEAST the context was there
It's an asspull yes, but at the very least if fits the narrative context of the arc so it's made way less offensive compared to the manga
Where's the context for everything the manga version is doing?
not true. We got seemingly meaningless shots of the human survivors throughout the arc, that was all alluding to the fact that they would be of use to the heroes before the end. The one in particular that stands out is the shot of the little girl holding trunk's sword as goku and fused zamasu do their beam struggle
Goku is God of Destruction candidate so using Hakai, he's Beerus and Whis so has had more opportunities to see it and has always had a
exceptional ability to take on people's move.
Future Trunks has never even seen the Genki Dama yet he somehow unknowingly and he does without the consent of the Earthling something was
needed for the regular Genki Dama, somehow Ki of a nearly wiped out Earth is able to defeat a being that tanked a Final Kamehameha from SSB Vegetto.
Remender that SSG is Universe tier while holding back.
These are two are in no way comparable, sorry.
>>happens out of nowhere
>>isn't even acknowledged after it happens
thats your problem? goku and vegeta obviously saw it offscreen during their training with whis. goku even says sry for calling it a horrible technique.
literally nothing wrong here.
meanwhile trunks transform into msry sue nad pulls a genkidama out of his ass without even knowing how to summon one nor has he any knowledge of it.
>Universe 9 was erased on the spot
>no waiting until the end of the tournament
>no bullshit about it its just gone
This was honestly unexpected and made my heart skip a beat. The danger is real.
Reminder Beerus used Hakai on a fucking egg in the BoG movie, so he clearly doesn't reserve it for important shit.
>thats your problem?
yes, shit writing is my problem
>goku and vegeta obviously saw it offscreen during their training with whis
nice headcanon, even if this were true the writer failed to convey this completely
>meanwhile trunks transform into msry sue nad pulls a genkidama out of his ass without even knowing how to summon one nor has he any knowledge of it
which is an asspull yes, but at least it had some narrative context to back it up and could have been way better if they didn't rush everything at the end
Nigga, it's being stored
All the wiped energy is being absorbed and stored in the angel's staff, so when it's over all the energy will be poured into the daishinkan who will then be able to overthrow Zen-oh
Remember how Whis has a parallel universe in his staff? really makes you think
The context is that Goku managed to master his SSB mode on a decent level, hence he can perfom moves that Gods can use and he can compete with Zamasu, which is way better than Kaioken times x100 on a form that's supposed to drain stamina rapidly.
>implying they werent standing on a cliff cheering him on the whole time
>implying they didnt subconciously consent and then continue doing so once they realized what was happening.
I wonder how they'll handle the U6 Saiyan training in the manga.
Is this bait?
Goku literally says that he's not interested in destruction in that very same screencap you're trying to use as proof
fucking kek this can't be real
>Toyopedros can't even read the manga they love so much
>"He trained under Roshi, so automatically pulling Kamehameha out of his ass makes sense!"
>"He trained under Kaio-sama, so automatically pulling Kaio-ken and Genki Dama out of his ass makes sense!"
>"He trained on Planet Yardat, so automatically pulling Instant Transmission out of his ass makes sense!"
This is literally Goku's gimmick.
Ok but what do demons DO? Maybe they are a race like Kais, and most of them just fuck around
But there is a Supreme Demon / Demon King also, thats what Dabura was
So what is his role as opposed to the Supreme Kais?
It cant be destruction because thats Beerus' job
I dont understand how any of the kai shit works now that they retconned it to be one Supreme Kai and a GoD
Literally what does King Kai even do
>The context is that Goku managed to master his SSB mode on a decent level
Oh yeah, another amazing asspull
Goku masters SSB despite not having done anything while Vegeta trained a whole year
And learn what narrative context is please, or were there survivors in the manga version who kept seeing Goku as their final hope?
listen you fuckwit you either give me a valid repsonse or you can fuck off back to reddshit. When goku uses the hakai he even racalls on telling beerus how horrible he finds it. It's not headcanon its a fact. Now bore off you illiterate cunt
Kamehame ha is just a fucking energy blast and a simple one at that.
King Kai personally taught him Kaio-ken. If we have a flashback of Whis teaching him Hakai, you'd have ground.
the demons are just demons, their realm is just a containment zone
the rest is unexplored lore that spin-off material is kind of abusing
the king kais just watch over their section of the universe, that hasn't changed
Oh man, oh man.
I quickly scanned the thread to be sure. I can't believe y'all haven't claimed the actual best girl of the Dragon Ball franchise.
Their job is being evil and bad and spooky.
In all seriousness though, I think evil is literally their job, as in they exist to be the evil that opposes the good represented by the gods/kais. Kind of like a yin/yang thing.
I know the whole Kaioshin/GoD Creation/Destruction dichotomy kinda makes it confusing but Toriyama designed that whole thing ages ago long before he even thought of GoDs.
Still, it's easy enough that there can be both a Good/Evil dichotomy and a Destruction/Creation dichotomy at the same time.
See that's just another very easy way to fix the ending of the anime version
The idea of Trunks finishing Zamasu with a spirit bomb is actually good and I'm fully behind it, the problem is that it wasn't executed properly due to Toei rushing the ending for god knows what reason
>pretending like Goku hasn't almost always been a step ahead of Vegeta, with a couple of exceptions
>this coming from the guy pretending that frieza getting stronger just by thinking is ok
>or were there survivors in the manga version who kept seeing Goku as their final hope
Confirmed retard, Goku didn't use the Spirit bomb to require such build up.
Well they do a shit job at it then
There are only 28 planets now
Thats 7 planets per kai to keep an eye on and they couldnt even tell Shin/Beerus if any other fighters besides Earthlings existed
>"oh no, iron skin is hard"
This triggered me. Nappa was tearing military equipment like butter back when powerlevels were below 20,000.
its almost like "goku trains just enough and masters a new thing whilst vegeta destroys his body training every second and it always backfires" is already a plot point that has been visited time and time again
And it took Vegeta forever to go super saiyan while it took cabba two minutes?
That's just a sign of the power creep. Only in Goku's case it was comedic as was 75% of Dragon Ball. We now have Pan flying around and she went fucking super saiyan as a fetus. I bet in the fucking island park arc we'll see Marron toss a few destructo disks.
I thought it was handled fine maybe it's just headcannon and Goku makes the spirit bomb off screen giving trunks and the audience that it was all trunks who got the win bit it was Goku helping out
>arena is made by special material
>gods with nuclear attacks just do some damage and take down a pillar
>Vegeta screams and punches someone
>corner of the arena gets destroyed
Why aren't the gods shitting their pants off? Right, Toei.
>still spamming kienzan in a tournament of "no kills allowed"
Even Freeza is holding himself better
Except Frieza just learnt how to focus and keep the golden form for longer, he was always OP
>it's been done before so it's good
DBZ reused animation before so last week's episode is totally excused by your logic
The most likely outcome. I'd thought it likely ever since they mentioned the tournament, since the mystery of what happened to the other universes has been around for a long time.
The only thing that made me doubt it was when we learned there would be no killing, so I was doubting there'd even be a need for the wish. U9 being erased pretty much cements what the wish will be, though.
>still spamming kienzan in a tournament of "no kills allowed"
He's using it pretty fucking strategically in the preview.
Dont worry. Toei is going to fuck him over with some dumbass disqualification. Glad it seems like he'll take a couple guys out at least.
>goku learns technques really fast
literally one of the first things we learn about goku. dragonball is basically a series of events in which goku surpasses all expectation and doed things faster than anyone thought was possible. That is LITERALLY his shtick: he is an idiot with god-like instincts for combat and can learn shit pretty much instinctually.
I mean, maybe ''iron skin'' is just a figure of speech and is not literal iron?
You guys are getting too obsessed with this, that guy's gimmick is the same as Botamo's which is having high defense
>it's okay when Frieza becomes strong effortlessly, that's what he does
>it's not okay for Goku to copy thecniques, you know the thing he has been doing since DB?
Really made me think
>Kamehame ha is just a fucking energy blast and a simple one at that.
Goku literally told kid Boo his Kamehameha was a true one and if there's no actual differnce between a Kame and any other generic blast Goku would never use it again
Or Gohan, why the fuck Gohan bother to learn such a technique if he already had Masenko and generic blasts? It looks like a generic ki blast but it's not a generic ki blast.
>mfw Vegeta just beats the ever loving shit out of her
>U9 is supposed to be a garbage dump
>U4 is full of sneaky assholes
>only tournament participant to potentially murder people in their first appearance is from the Universe of Kindness
Frieza learning how to focus to mantain the golden form for longer isn't getting stronger
And by the way, Frieza getting on that level with just four months of training is indeed bullshit
I only jumped into the series around episode 90.
Does only the winning universe continue existing?
I guess I got mixed up hearing about the strongest 4 universes didn't have to compete with the assumption that the top surviving universes of ToP was to survive.
That kinda blows the wind out of my sails a bit.
I swear, there must be two versions of his base form, one that utilises God ki, and one that doesn't.
That's the only way any of this shit makes sense. I don't care if it takes a guidebook or something to explain it, but please, someone, somewhere, release something that damage controls Toei's fucking garbage writing.
>Goku literally told kid Boo his Kamehameha was a true one
Which makes no fucking sense.
>why the fuck Gohan bother to learn such a technique
Because it's a dope as signature move and he idolizes his dad.
>Showing a girl holding the sword in the very same episode that Trunks pulls the asspull
That isn't buildup you idiot. That's part of the asspull. This must be bait. You're using the same exact argument that you use against the manga saying it can't be buildup because it happened in the same chapter
Except you are a retard. How is being able to stay in your uber form for longer not an overall boost in your fighting ability? I guess Goku after the time chamber training and learning how to master SS1 wasn't stronger than before getting in.
And why you're wasting 24 minutes of your life to watch this? Right, you're a retard.
Toriyama's still got it.
>I swear, there must be two versions of his base form, one that utilises God ki, and one that doesn't.
That's exactly how it works in the manga.
See an example of Goku going from regular base form to his godly base form. He can also go SS from this godly base, you know, it's when his hair goes blue.
What is happening.... I dont know if its me or Super being just that bad, why the hell did I have more of a blast with the Zen exhibition matches and recruitment (besides Krillin and 17's) arc instead of the actual beef? not sure if its because of me seeing reused animation from past episodes or the way they handle the execution of the episodes are just that darn horrible.
I was already tired of seeing Goku go Blue when he literally does not need to but now they add Vegeta in it and use their signature moves against those 3 doggos? Jesus... enough is enough, never in my life did I wish that SSJB, this SSJ having absorbed God ki rivals the Gods be a complete fucking joke.
-Only saving grace was Freeza giving bat dude some horror pills, the guy literally flew out of the ring.
Its halfass as to why Goku and GP's stare off was more intense than Zeno erasing a whole universe.
Anyways whatever, meh episode like the prev one, now I pray that they handle Krillin's disqualification with justice and the highly talked about Goku new form, botch the latter and this arc will turn out to be the most horribly directed one in DB history.
Man, Vegeta was actually pretty cool this episode. And, he kinda sorta worked together, which throws out the whole "he will job because of muh teamwork" meme
>it's against my headcanon so it makes no fucking sense!
>Cell Games-Gohan used a generic ki blast that he learned the last year instead in RoSaT instead the technique he knows since he was 4 because he idolizes Goku!
You are fucking stupid, anon. Shut up.
>no kill rule
>if you get thrown out you just get fully recovered
>but we CAN'T put the spirit back in their body
>also if you lose you just get erased anyway so enjoy the last ten seconds you are alive before you get erased which is worse than dying anyway
>Only saving grace was Freeza giving bat dude some horror pills, the guy literally flew out of the ring.
Honestly, Freeza is the only reason I'm even interested in any of this. I hope they have big plans for him, because if not, I'm dropping this shitshow as soon as he goes back to hell.
you honestly cant understand the concept of a fucking twist? Of course its not explicity fucking mentioned, that would give it away, but it is alluded to before that episode. It literally meshes with the theme that trunks is fighting for others and zamasu is fighting for himself, you know the verbal philosophical debate they have develop throughout the entire arc? Because the spirit bomb is the manifestation of teamwork in the dragonball universe and trunks' whole philosophy foreshadows it. And there are far more "pointless humies concerned about trunks" scenes before that episode.
Youre just mad, dont know what to tell you, it was an entertaining finale, I agree the "zamasu fuses with the universe" thing after that was dumb, but also not entirely out-of-nowhere since there is dialogue beforehand calling into question what the fusion meant for his immortality.
Bergamo is god tier and we know that teamwork especially combo beamattacks are pretty powerful so I didn't think it was too bad.
It wasn't presented as a struggle and they got btfo hard.
Daishinkan. I have a hard read on Whis. I cant tell if he likes Beerus or not. He probably doesnt think he's a good GoD but I think he has fun personally. Whereas Mojito fucking hated Sidra.
>no fighting choreography
but that's wrong
>le superfast teleporting around screen
So just like DBZ?
Considering how it's literally always just you, have you considered that maybe the type of action in Dragon Ball just doesn't suit your tastes?
Just because the choreography in Dragon Ball has always been about generic punches and ki blasts while moving all over the screen ever since Z it doesn't mean it's not ''choreography''
It's just a different type of choreography that you clearly don't like, so I don't even get why you are here
>every character that isn't from U7 is completely one dimensional with no background, motive, special ability, or even a threat
>despite this being THE tournament to end ALL tournaments
>all because the entire arc is just one big setup for Goku and Jiren's 1v1 fight
>tfw we will never see a Tenkaichi Budokai style of the ToP
>instead we a clusterfuck fight with shitty quality
Really what universe can stand up to 7?
Those are the only other notworthy fighters, both on U11
Meanwhile U7 has
I guess U6 has some strong foghters as well, but that's it.
>first it was the animation that was bad
>now that it's fine to good, better shit on the choreography when it's literally just like DBZ's with some exceptions like Majin Vegeta vs Goku
see this is what I meant here: >>159576523
this is reaching, don't even try to deny it
if we were talking about Super when it first aired then I'd be fully agreeing with you, but the product has improved a lot over time and I'm not gonna mindlessly shit on it because it used to be shit
>rabbit girl says they knocked her out
>instantly show a 18 looking at the stands then walking away
>She d-didn't knock h-her out!!
Are you guys retarded? Why else would they show 18?
Toei's fights are shit
Why are anime autists fighting manga autists when both are shit?
My only complain was the sound direction in the fights, but it's getting better i guess. In the beginning of super they sounded empty as fuck.
>Toyo is Pedro tier
Still better than anything Toei could come up with.