Anime on Twitch

>>159155045
Fucking Amazon.

A new western anime bubble is forming, like 20 years ago.

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Expect delays for those anime

>>159155805
Nah, Amazon is just giving Nip companies millions of dollars and saving anime.

>>159156099
The video and audio quality is better than CR so that's a good thing

>>159156099
Only the Sentai licensed ones will most likely have delays every weeks.

>>159155434
>tfw have prime
>go check out their new anime section out of curiosity
>"sorry you need to pay more for that"
What moron decided that was a good idea?

>>159156099
Made in abyss is exclusive?

>>159156343
>"sorry you need to pay more for that"
The worse part is the "pay more" only applies to US while other countries only need just prime.

>>159156343
>having prime
>attempting to stream anime
Time to tie the noose.

>>159156429
You tie one too.

>>159156405
Exclusive on Anime Strike for US because Sentai a shit.

It's will be streaming on HIDIVE for UK and several other countries. Too bad HIDIVE video quality seems to be worse than CR.

>>159156526
Streamfags, get out of my board.

>>159156526
What the fuck does CR even have this season that is worth watching? They are going to go out of business if this shit keeps up.

>>159156207
>Video and audio quality on Twitch is good

LUL, enjoy your 3k bitrate. I'll be over here at true 1080p HD 10kbps over at FUNimation (tm).

>>159156593
>giving a shit who has what
Just download HS

>>159156593
Amazon is going to kill every company possible.

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>>159156099
>Love & Lies
>Princess Principal
>Made in Abyss

FUCKING AMAZON

ASENSHI SAVE US

>>159156684
The sooner they kill shit like CR and Funishit, the better.

>>159156666
I'm obviously talking about Amazon Prime

>>159156684
I can't really see it resulting in anything other than a worse outcome for the consumer. Anime isn't even a tiny fraction of their business, it could literally be a middle managers pet project, they could drop it whenever they wanted and not give a fuck. Niche sites like Crunchyroll and Funimation base their who business around anime so actually have to care somewhat or need to appear to care somewhat with regards to what the fans of the shit like, want and care about.

>>159156567
This is bothersome for HS too.

>>159156593
Most sequels.

>>159156836
No, it's not, since they've ripped things from Amazon just fine.

>>159156672
Retard, HS gets their scripts from CR and will occasionally rip straight from Funimation if they own any shows.

Shit that gets taken by Netflix and Amazon is usually ignored by Horriblesubs.

>>159156836
At least HS can still rip Amazon for now. I don't know about the HIDIVE exclusive ones though.

>>159156684
How big is Amazon going to become these assholes are fucking everywhere.

>>159156818
>CR and Funi
>caring about quality

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>>159156935
>Shit that gets taken by Amazon is usually ignored by Horriblesubs.

Just a nudge more in learning jap or finding a new hobby.

>>159156967
Who mentioned quality? Your average anime fan is quite happy to watch the shitty streams they put out.

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Pretty soon funsubs will come back at full force and we'll be going back to arguing about which fansubs for a show are best.

>>159157109
Why would it have an effect on fansubs? People can still just rip from Amazon.

Nope. Mods, do your job.

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>>159157109
People are too lazy to fansub nowadays.

>>159156813
Your shit fansubs won't go back forever. Fuck off.

>>159155805
> like 20 years ago.
The last anime bubble was in 2006/07.

>A new western anime bubble is forming
Is already the case since 2015, when Funimation and CR started to get in bidding wars.
They created a partnership but this caused Sentai to partner with Amazon.
Netflix also has a large interest in the anime market.
Licensing fees are at the bubble level and higher and still growing.

The end result will either be Amazon controlling the market or the return of fansubs.

>>159157397
What the fuck are you even talking about?

>>159156813
>he wants to be reliant on the cartel for him anime

>>159157463
>the cartel
Isn't subbing anything, they just rewrite the CR subs.

This kind of branching out is what destroys a service. I absolutely fucking love anime, but when I go to twitch, I expect video games, not anime.

>>159157463
The cartel's dead.

>>159157109
Some niche shows will still left unsubbed or only have bad subs even if fansubs is alive again.

>>159157434
>Amazon controlling the market
Lets be real, this is how it is going to end Until the antitrust hit for Amazon

>Crunchyroll is going to killed in your lifetime
Crazy timeline

>>159157587
That spoiler part is already happened though. I wonder why Amazon doesn't just give up.

>>159157650
Truly the best timeline.

>>159157650
>Not knowing Crunchyroll is actually involved on production committee for some anime

>>159157722
I DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE

>>159157662
None of their businesses are monopolies yet though.

>>159157434
I think the nips are far more concerned about the potential Chinese produced bubble right now.

>In 2015, the number of contracts quadrupled and revenues increased significantly in the category of Overseas. Indeed, “Japanese animation industry proactively started engaging in overseas markets last year” as specified in Overseas Trends in the report. The export values which remained hardly changed for past three years suddenly increased, jumping from 19.5 billion yen to 34.9 billion yen, and recorded the highest, exceeding 31.3 billion yen in 2005. The major factor of this increase is attributed to “shopping sprees” by China. Despite revenue increases in North America and Asia countries, the remarkable increase in Chinese market constitutes more than half of the increase.

>It seems the trend simmering beneath in the past few years burst to the surface in 2015, which was also seen in the answers by animation studios for open‐questions as described in “Market Outline” in the report. Of course, Japanese animation industry welcomes the situation; however, it is undeniable this trend could be another bubble. Especially in China, all the industries, including cultural industries, are subordinate to the politics and bombarded with social situation of the moment. Not to mention of the Cultural Revolution, there have been several events affecting the market so far, such as the demonstration against Senkaku Islands dispute and retaliation for Korean entertainment industry against THAAD deployment to Korea. Thus it is hard to consider the market shifts without any political intervention in China.

>>159157722
>Idol Jihen
>Nanbaka
>Masamune-kun no Revenge
>Minami Kamakura Koukou Joshi Jitensha-bu
They sure are being helpful to the industry!

Can't wait for the total reaction of Twitch to Vento Aureo.

>>159157815
>>Minami Kamakura Koukou Joshi Jitensha-bu

This was an unironically good series

Amazon is the best option since HS can rip from them and the video is much better than CR.
Netflix is the worst because they have complete exclusivity for shows they pick up and only release after the anime finishes airing all he episodes. Only fansubs can save us when that happens.

Both support the anime industry much more than CR and Funimation at least.

>>159158056
You really have no evidence for that at all. Big companies don't get big by wasting their money and spending more than they need to in order to get what they want. They will be paying as little as possible more than what CR or Funi do in order to beat them out.

Now Netflix is different though with shows where they are actually Executive Producers and things. Crunchyroll is even on some Production Committee's directly taking ownership of show rights and funding shows rather than licensing streaming rights from the TV stations.

>>159158195
>Amazon gets exclusive rights to 2 relevant anime television blocks
Multi mullion dollar deals right here.

>>159158195
>They will be paying as little as possible more than what CR or Funi do in order to beat them out.
Where's your proof for that, Sherlock?

>>159157782
>I think the nips are far more concerned about the potential Chinese produced bubble right now.

I am aware of the Chinese bubble, and also think that it is far more dangerous for the anime industry than the western one.

My previous post >>159157434 was specifically about the western bubble, which wouldn't really affect the Japanese anime industry even if it bursts.

>>159158368
You have no idea what they are paying for those and no idea how that will work out per anime. The TV company could be selling them like that because it is just much more secure as a revenue stream, they know they can guarantee X from Amazon over period Y for their streaming without having to whore their shows out to international buyers or waste any time.

>>159158444
Why would you pay more than you needed to for anything? It's the basics of not being retarded and succeeding in business.

>>159156476
>not having prime

poorfag stay mad and poor

>>159156343
>>159156429
you guys still need to neck yourselves tho

>>159158486
>It's the basics of not being retarded and succeeding in business.
So now you think you're an expert businessman.
>Pure autism.
You don't have any proof either, so stop embarrassing yourself.

>>159156099
can someone please explain to me, why amazon simulcast leads to delays? I was heavily experiencing this with book of zero, but I didn't really understand. Are they simply not capable of automating their releases or what?

>>159158588
You don't need to be an expert businessman to realise that anyone paying more than they need to for something is a fool. Amazon was a business built on killing bookstores by offering efficiency savings, that is paying no more than they needed to in order to sell books to people.

>>159158592
Simulcasting is hard.
"However, this growth hasn’t come without its challenges. According to Grace, one of the biggest challenges the service has faced is how to deal with customers who search for titles by their Japanese names instead of their English translations. Also, the quickly paced nature of working on a streaming service that offers simulcast has caused a couple of problems. “Running an anime service is a high pressure environment, working on short deadlines and last minute changes, and we’ve faced hiccups that have elicited some negative responses,” she said. “We appreciate and track feedback closely to continually find ways to better improve our customer experience.”"

http://decider.com/2017/06/30/anime-strike-curation-interview/

>>159158667
>He knows how Amazon operate and how they spend their money.
Stop.

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>>159157109
tfw i miss the drama b/w autistic fansubbers

>>159158718
What are you even talking about? Those two sentences are just common knowledge.

>>159158195
but Amazon's probably doing this cause they have excess money. Their goal is to break even not to make profit

>>159158195
Amazon's new deal with Fuji TV for several Noitamina shows, however, is a different ball game entirely. It's impossible for me to overstate what a big deal that was. Amazon has more money than God, and the amount they were rumored to be offering for exclusive worldwide streaming rights for a series was by far the highest price I've ever heard of being paid for anime rights -- enough to pay for the entire production and then some. Amazon is serious about beefing up their video platform's offerings in all categories, and they don't particularly seem to care about making back their investment right away. They're building up a library to make their platform a viable offering compared to Netflix.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2016-03-18/.99932

>>159158988
>Justin Sevakis
>credible

Fuck off.

>>159158674
Thanks but unfortunately they don't really tell what the problem is. I mean if the deadlines wouldn't be matched, the anime wouldn't air in japan. Doesn't simulcast mean, that the anime streams at the same time, as the official japanese TV release? Maybe they had troubles with their translations? I don't really understand.

>>159159025
You're just mad because this proved you were wrong.

>>159159029
>Only Sentai licensed shows on Amazon are delayed most of the time
Blame Sentai instead of Amazon.

>>159159029
>Doesn't simulcast mean, that the anime streams at the same time, as the official japanese TV release?
Yes. However, whereas a delayed delivery of an anime episode to a TV station wouldn't cause any problem as long as it's there before airing wouldn't be a problem, a delayed delivery of an anime episode to a simulcaster would, because they still need to do work on it before they put it out.
You know, translate the bloody thing.

>>159155045
>>159156099
Between this and Netflix's bullshit, I can't believe that I'm starting to miss fucking Funishit.

>>159158988
This is literally why Amazon is fucking scary. They literally just throw money away w/o a care for returns, because they don't need/want it. They're already spending more money on original content than fucking broadcast companies, why? because they feel like it. And if it fails, just whatever.

>>159159087
No I am not "proved" wrong. There is a guy who is horrendously out of touch with the times, who is regularly wrong, talking about rumours he claims to have heard of Amazon offering big sums of money for exclusive streaming rights. That has nothing to do with what they are paying for blocks of programming.

I want /v/ to go

>>159159238
>>159159238
>who is regularly wrong
Any examples? I want a lot since it is regular.
Also, that segment I highlighted is literally about the Noitamina block deal, smarty.

>>159159396
>Also, that segment I highlighted is literally about the Noitamina block deal, smarty.
No it isn't. The exclusive streaming rights he is talking about them offering large sums for by the way he is phrasing it would appear to refer to individual shows where as he says nothing of the amounts for the blocks of programming but implies they are large amounts by referencing the rumours he has heard.

>>159159460
It's about the individual shows from the block.

>>159159510
No it isn't. That column was published only a day after the Noitamina deal was announced. He is talking about rumours of their previous attempts to get individual series.

>>159156777
Asenshi is only (probably) doing Apocrypha next season

Crunchyroll should still have their monopoly on subbing, they were the only people (vaguely) competent.

>>159155045
Wait, is it possible to watch anime with twitch streamers(E3 style)?
Because if that is the case we will get flooded with E-celeb drama.

>>159157109
there's literally only two or three groups alive right now

>>159155045
and why do i give a shit again?

fuck off leddit

>>159159120
Yeah, I don't get why people are mad at Amazon for Sentai being dumb

>>159159725
How about no one should have a monopoly and everyone tries to compete on sub and video quality instead?

>>159156099
Can I get a quick rundown why moralfags are angry about the end of Crunchyroll's monopoly?

>>159159120
>>159159151
Thanks I guess this makes sense.

>>159159772
2 or 3 alive interested in subbing currently airing anime at high speed you should say really. There are plenty of groups who work on older series they're passionate about at their own speed. The only reason current airing fansub groups went away is because they couldn't compete with HS. Not that this deal is going to change anything but you can bet if for some reason all these streaming services went away groups would become abundant again. Not that it will happen.

>>159159993
Because CR has the biggest catalog of anime and that's all they care about

>>159157815
Hey man, don't disrespect Ojisan to Marshmallow.

>>159159993
Probably because anime and anime fandom are actually important to them as a business where as for the likes of amazon and netflix it's just a tiny inconsequential part of a larger strategy to get more people using their services. Also it's nice to only pay one fee and get everything you want almost.

>>159159993
The salt is real on the internet. They probably don't want to pay more.

>>159159759
>Because if that is the case we will get flooded with E-celeb drama.
Not really, we do a pretty good job at keeping out youtube anime streamers. Twitch bullshit won't be any different.

>>159159904
>Sentai make some of their license as Anime Strike exclusive which has double paywall in US only
>Some of these series are available on other legal streaming sites outside US with cheaper price
Sentai is dumb since most people will just pirate their licensed shows now.

>>159160626
>Sentai is dumb since most people will just pirate their licensed shows now.
Even if Amazon does make a net loss every year with anime they could eventually strangle/buy out the competition.

Just like Walmart, but only online. And I don't really trust the US gov't to antitrust Amazon.

>>159156963
They want to make the Cyberpunk megacorp idea a reality. I give it a decade before they have Amazon Executive Outcomes.

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>>159156099

>Princess Principal

The only show I'm even interested in watching and it gets picked up by fucking Amazon. This is truly the worst timeline.

>>159157815
Masamune's first five minutes were excellent you pleb.

Why is competition good again? Netflix doesn't release episodes concurrently as they air, Crunchyroll has been shilling their new streaming service through intrusive ads and Amazon's streaming platform for AS is awful. To top it off, instead of just paying for one subscription fee to watch the majority of anime, you're now split into three different subscriptions. All these companies are doing is pushing more people towards pirating.

>>159159993
>double paywall
>massive delays

hmm i wonder

>>159157188
You delete yourself

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Assuming that everyone is afraid of anime becoming infested with normalfags is just overly scared, only entry level series like OPM that appeal to normies without any real interest to anime industry itself will rise in popularity. A lot of series that Japan produces give normies a pedo neckbeard vibe so they'll never explore beyond the surface.

Japan has been pretty resistant to social justice and feminism bullshit too and there's barely any reason they'd fall into it later on since most demand comes from Japan inside.

Can someone explain how growing demand from China is going to hurt the industry other than chinese sweatshop animation studios flooding the market.

Chink companies are making millions with their 10 min shit shows because of streaming.
Why are the japs so fucking backwards, just create big website for anime for each publishers and be done with it.

>>159161665
They have shit taste, read their novels and manga plus they will take away jobs from jap studios, the centaur anime is being made by a chink studio.

>>159161902

Nips have pretty bad taste too.

>>159161902
and nothing value was lost

>>159161902
>Why are the japs so fucking backwards
Japan has like 20 different streaming sites, you idiot.

>>159161956
>>159162406
>>>/co/
>>>/co/

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>Paying to watch anime
>>/r/eddit/
>inb4 helping the industry

>>159163162
>1461730899875.jpg (saved April 26th 2017)
>failed cross-board link
Nice attempt to fit in, newfriend.

I hope the bubble bursts soon so anime becomes niche in the west again and we can get fansub groups to work again.

>>159161902
hey i actually like some chinkime once in a while if someone beats the hell out of them and keeps them from relying on SEAmonkeys.
kings avatar was great.

>>159158568
Fuck off. Niggers with EBT can get prime for half price so why are you shilling it.

>>159163162
as far as i know, they are only streaming the 1st episode on twitch and it's free.

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>>159156099
Does Horriblesubs rip from Amazon too?

>>159163617
Yes.

>>159163617
For now yes, but you never know when Amazon will figure out the trick they are using to get the videos.

>>159163521
>we can get fansub groups to work again.
Did you start watching anime only in 2015? You shouldn't believe in /a/'s stories about "glorious fansubs". It's just nostalgia, fansub era sucked hard.

>shows not picked up by any fansub group
>fansub groups dropping show midway
>waiting for days for fansubs to come out
>major fansub drama every month
>japanese -> chinese -> english translations
>memesubs and trollsubs

>>159163929
Well if anything HS could go back to their old way of ripping off amazon. By capturing every single frame, compressing it into a regular video file, and muxing the audio on.