Dragon Ball Super

>>159033372
he has turned into a cuck

>>159033372
It went along with toriyamas brain and care

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>>159033372
Dragonball Super should be called Dragonball F.
The F stands for Flanderization

>>159033372
Hanging out with Frieza sounds fine, better if F plays
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-33SkD_tnw

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Reminder that Son Goku is beautiful.

>>159033372
And losing this tournament will take everything else away.

>>159033372
1 your watching a filler season
2 the universe will be destroyed if they have conflict which means he can't sex his wife anymore

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O MY ABILITY TO MERGE WITH THE UNIVERSE OUT OF NOWHERE DESPITE MY BODY BEING DESTROYED

>>159033372
>This guy took away his childhood and murdered his entire race.

Also took away his favorite rival

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O MY SWORD OF FRIENDSHIP

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>>159033457
>>159033485
toyocucks never change

Anyonehas that pic of Frieza teaching Frost the tingy feeling?

>>159033372
Vegeta never cared about his race or his people. Just look at Nappa, he killed the only loyalist Saiyan member of his race, simply because he was defeated by a traitorous Saiyan. Vegeta holding a grunge about a dead race he never cared about, especially when he is guilty of the same crimes as Frieza, would make him a hypocrite.

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O MY EXCLUSIVE SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE NOT SSB TRANSFORMATION, WHICH FOR SOME REASON DIDN'T ACTIVATE DURING THE ENTIRE YEAR I SPENT FIGHTING BLACK WHERE HUMANITY WAS BROUGHT TO IT'S KNEES YET AGAIN OR WHEN MY MOTHER AND WAIFU(SEEMINGLY) DIED

>>159033372
Yeah but the retarded kid with godly powers is going to erase his family and universe if he doesn't team up with Freeza

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>>159033469
>Freeza took away his favorite rival
How much more can Vegeta take?

Will Vegeta offer Bulma to Freeza next??

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>>159033436
KIERO

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Toyotaro's "Future Trunks arc" time-line:

Beginning:
> Awesome art!
> Trunks training as a Kaioshin apprentice
> Trunks vs Dabura was great

Middle:
> Zamasu fighting Kibito rather than Goku
> Zamasu learning of Goku though video rather than personally

Then Goku/Vegeta/Trunks go back to the Future:
> Black somehow killed every single human being on Earth except for Trunks and Mai. Even though he is way more powerful.
> No Future Yajirobe
> Goku/Vegeta fight Black/Zamasu, not Trunks
> SS1 Black toys with SSB Vegeta
> Black is a common ruthless enemy. Not the beautiful smuglord from the anime
> SS2 Trunks is able to land a good hit against SSR Black
> Vegeta gets rid of the 90% power cost of SSB, by constantly using it switching it on-and-off
> SSG Vegeta (not SSB) toys with SSR Black (not SS1). Ridiculous power increase after one battle.
> Goku uses the Mafuba, not Trunks and Mai
> Black and Zamasu fuse because of "emotional damage"
> Merged Zamasu is a time-limited only because Zamasu TECHNICALLY didn't earn his position of Kaioshin in fair game. But stealing the Time Ring is okay.
> Merged Zamasu is weaker, throws blocks, and has Janemba punches
> "Homages" everywhere
> The only power-up Trunks gets in his arc is healing
> Goku prefers to fuse first than use his own full strength (Mastered SSB)
> Vegetto's fight is even shorter, and it's Super Buu all over again
> Mastered SSB out of nowhere. Goku never practiced specifically for the form, nor was the training ever referenced
> Goku getting Hakai, despite NOT being a GoD candidate (he refused the offer). And despite never training for the move, or even at least shown that it was learned by imitating Beerus

>>159033501
Memes aside, Zamasu was unironically beautiful.

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They better not drop the ball on Vegeta killing Freeza and finally getting payback this time.

>expecting anything to be different

Bah.

>>159033585
No, he wasn't.

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>>159033581
>SS1 Black toying with SSB, he was SS2 and Vegeta was losing stamina after being SSB for so long
>SS2 Trunks landed one hit on Black, but got his ass kicked completely, not unlike Vegeta vs Beerus
>using SSB for what's literally only the moment he strikes somehow shouldn't be energy conservation
>SSG Vegeta was switching to SSB when fighting SSR Black,
>Acting like Trunks not using the Mafuba is a bad thing when the anime had him learn it via a 10 minute video
>emotional damage is why they fuse fusion headcanon
>"they can use time rings so they must be supreme kais and be allowed permanent fusion" even though Black isn't a kai and can use time rings in the anime
>merged zamasu also uses portals to bring people to him and continue his combos, something janemba didn't do
>trunks doesn't get a bullshit powerup, but did master his SS2 form making it SS3 level in strength
>Goku was stated to have better ki control than Vegeta, and knew of the form's weakness better than Vegeta as shown in the tournament arc, and has been training for years with it, and Goku AND Vegeta knew that holding SSB's power inside could destroy the body
>acting like Goku being offered the position of GoD was anything more than Whis saying he has the potential to be one, even though he refused that potential and power is still there, mentioned having seen the move, and learned the fucking kamehameha as a kid with no effort, while Hakai took all the strength he had left as SSB
tfw toeishills completely lack reading comprehension

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This is just stupid. We had a Tournament that Universe 7 DID WON, fair and square. Nobody can deny that. Even Zeno sama saw it.

Then, we get this bullshit, that Universe 6 is stronger?
> I blame Toei for that

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Is Toriyama really Toyotaro's mentor?

Does he actually train and teach Toyotaro?

Or does he just "approve" things and makes certain corrections when he feels like it?

>>159033634
Please make new bait, this is just getting repetitive, so most of the posts here

>>159033519

whats up the freezas brow? He looks too masculine.

Copypastas general? Copypastas general
ITT: we spam copypastas and wait for retards to reply to them

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>this won't ever exist

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>>159033634
k. Post more 18

>>159033634
>shonen
>tournaments
>battle royale

what a clusterfuck i bet they wont even follow through with this and something else will happen.

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>>159033585
I agree. Second most beautiful God.

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I feel the manga is worse by virtue of it being monthly and not weekly. Toyo probably can't even handle weekly schedule.

>>159033509
I would think other wise I mean he still calls himself the prince of all saiyans, not king but prince. that says alot for one. and toriyama just wanted to portray vegeta as being really evil with that.

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>>159033623
> Resorting to stale disproved pasta

>acting like Goku being offered the position of GoD was anything more than Whis saying he has the potential to be one, even though he refused that potential and power is still there, mentioned having seen the move, and learned the fucking kamehameha as a kid with no effort, while Hakai took all the strength he had left as SSB
We see Goku mimic the Kamehameha

Not comparable with Hakai

> Goku was stated to have better ki control than Vegeta
Literally could be anything, and that is still not an explanation for Mastered SSB. He never trained or is shown to train for the form.

> trunks doesn't get a bullshit powerup, but did master his SS2 form making it SS3 level in strength
Before the arc fucking started

> merged zamasu punches =/= jamemba punches
You getting desperate? Of course they are. They're different cause he did some extra stuff with it? Don't kid yourself

>even though Black isn't a kai and can use time rings in the anime
It was never stated that they couldn't in the anime. Just that they weren't allowed to.

> the rest
Non-arguments and "you're wrong because I say so"

>>159033310
>>159033310
Rose Goku Black is perfect. Base Goku Black is garbage; why would his voice change between transformations?
Zamasu is fine, a bit more of a smug inflection would be nice his delivery is kinda dry.
I like the echo on merged Zamasu but i'm a bit iffy in the voice

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>>159033613
After the movie, I'm convinced Freeza will always find a way to kill Vegeta no matter how dire the situation.

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>>159033436
>califaula will eventually like goku and give him attention
>kale will get jealous n go full on KAKAROTTO on him

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>>159033457
NINGEN NINGEN NINGEN

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>>159033738

>>159033707
He did AF, anon. He probably could.

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>>159033585
He deserved better

>>159033436
>>159033457
>>159033485
>>159033516
>>159033581
>>159033623
>>159033634
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>>159033728
These exact posts are literally posted in EVERY thread. That's like one third of all current posts.

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>>159033785

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>>159033830
ZAMASU

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Favorite DBS battle (manga and/or anime)?

Anime: Goku/Trunks vs Black/Zamasu
Manga: Trunks vs Dabura

>>159033372

"Make Everybody happy".

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>>159033842

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>>159033457
Is that the super mario mask from super mario

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>>159033881

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When and how was it, that the Japs came to the conclusion, that boulder shoulder and abs you can grind meat on, means that you are weak as fuck?

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>>159033872
Recently?

All the Gods of Destruction destroying shit

>>159033372
Any based Webm bros out there that can cut this?
Thanks
https://youtu.be/9JSS_bq4hrU

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>>159033912

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Naho got picked up first, but she's been forgotten

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>>159033872
Still upset the Trunks flashback in the anime was utter trash tier.

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>>159033872
Vegetto's fight, because we finally get to see him try for once

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>>159033872
Goku vs Hit (Manga)
Goku vs Merged Zamasu (Manga)
Goku and Trunks vs Zamasu and Black(Anime)

>Full page never

Are the cartoon vs comic meme wars over?

Got that out of your system?

>>159033872
>1489504062997
>1489519119952
Samefag?

>>159034006
no we'll need to wait for it to truly die then we can go.

>now that everyones said their piece this is my shit opinion thats bait.

we need their energy of rage and shit post to feed our genki dama

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>>159033372
Vegeta really doesn't give a shit about Frieza that much anymore, he grew up, you should try it

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>>159033872

Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru should have drawn the super manga.

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Am I the only one that is rooting for Universe2?

I want to see Harpy and Brianne forced to teamup with any of them acting tsundere

>>159034006
It'll never be over until they adapt the comic into the cartoon.

>>159034055
Vegeta fought a weakened Frieza, being realistic Vegeta might won't be that lucky this time

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This son of a bitch over here, have more than enough muscles to bench press a mountain, and yet, Toei wants us to believe he the weakest in the squad?!

>>159033372
It has been gone ever since the time when he began working as Freeza's low class goon. Imagine how much laughter the higher ups that knew of the truth behing planet Vegeta have had on his expense.

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>>159033872
SSR Black vs SSB Goku rematch

>>159034077
Why? He has no experience making mangas. Just because he drew for Z and GT doesn't automatically make him a good mangaka.

>>159033509
I always hated how DB initially made it seem like Vegeta was a sociopath, while Nappa actually cared about the fate of his people, was actually sadden by the tragic loss of lives of non-Saiyans via the Saibamen, viewed Goku and Gohan as race traitors for fighting for Earth, and even considered using the Dragon Balls to revive a fellow dead Saiyan.

I even remember a flashback where Nappa was shocked that Vegeta didn't care about the death of his father and the Saiyan race. Meanwhile, Vegeta boasts how he's the Prince of Saiyans. Of what? You killed the last loyal member of your race, you're the monarch of no one. Vegeta didn't even considering using the Dragon Balls to revive the lives of his lost race, yet he constantly boosts about his Saiyan pride. It's pathetic.

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KEH KEH KEH, Universe 4 will go far in this tournament!

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>>159033372

>Where did Vegeta's dignity go?

Were the 15+ years of serving Freeza part of that dignity? Was giving his body over to Babidi part of that dignity? Was turning into a Great Ape because he got his shit kicked in by Goku part of that dignity? Was running away from the fight against Ginyu and Jeice part of his dignity? Was throwing sand into the eyes of Zarbon dignified?

>>159034094
I understand Roshi, but why is Tien in the tournament?

>>159034163
>Was throwing sand into the eyes of Zarbon dignified?

Zarbon deserved better.

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>>159033872
Gohan vs Goku

Mostly because it showed Gohan's progress

>>159034194
you want yamcha?

>>159034194
I think you definitely asked your question in the wrong order

>>159034141
Nappa also suggested breeding with Earlings to create Saiyan hybrids and restoring the Saiyan empire. Vegeta shot down the idea because he was scared of being surpassed and overthrown. What a bitch.

>>159034220
Oolong, actually. His transformation powers could prove useful in setting up ambushes.

>>159034220
i do
i want all the OG crew

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Why does she trigger people so much?

>>159034094
Yes. Tenshinhan is shit.

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>>159033695
I see. You're a man of culture as well.

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>>159033372
>>159033519

>Vegeta's dignity

>>159034262
>Leave Goku , Vegeta, and the Pride Troopers to me

>>159034249
i did like his rock paper scissors scene.

>>159034253
i just want toriyama and toyo gone completely. I'm fine with someone else new being a hack. At least we would get something maybe different.

>>159034220
No, I want Jaco

>>159034253
>i want all the OG crew
>Tenshinhan
>Does not consider Tenshinhan part of OG crew
>>>/out/

>>159034262
Just wait til she goes SS3 during the tournament.

>>159034262
Because we're WAKU WAKU to see her clit get the tingles.
Naturally people are attaching themselves to this waifu material and shitposting about her.

>>159034327
>ToP has time go differntly.
>kids grow into teens
>u6 sayaians are teens
>they all go to space and have adventures.
>teen highschoold drama with fighting that sells.

I just made a new spinoff toei.

>unironically watching dbs
You must really hate yourselves

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>>159034120
He has drawn manga.

>>159034353
yes i do
i wasnt the original guy you were talking to

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>>159034262
> Why does she trigger people so much?

Because she achieved SS2 easily

Despite that:
- She's among the strongest Saiyans in her entire Universe
- Which says a lot in a Universe where Saiyans AREN'T extinct
- U6 Saiyans also evolved differently

>>159033695
>>159034294
>Xamasu was literally based off of West Kai
Really makes you think...

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I watched Battle of the Gods and Resurrection F. What am I missing by skipping those arcs in Super?

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>>159034408
It does.

>>159034426
Horrible animation.

>>159034426
nuffin

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>>159034400
I want to believe you but....

>>159034426
SoL moments that actually make some characters better.

>>159034426
A shittier adaption with mostly insignificant changes.

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>>159034262
Because she ruined FemBroly's hype by beating her immediately

>>159034270
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4NuopZzdPc

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>>159033372
It baffles me how little you people understand Vegeta.

He doesn't care about delicate things like fucking *dignity*, that's for pussies. He is a proud man. He cares about *pride*. He cares about *strength*.


It takes true strength to put aside one's dignity, so that they may better their child. And there is a parental *pride* that comes with that, a pride stronger than one could ever feel for only themselves.

>>159034451
i knew you were going to say that
why do people here always assume you are you are lying about the most inconsequential stuff

>>159034262

Many people who watch Dragon Ball are closet homosexuals. They like burly men with large muscles dripping in sweat and cuts with their shirts ripped off. The idea of more then one female fighter (18) being around for more then one episode scares the fuck out of them. They want to see more Recoomes, Bojacks, Brolys, and SSJG3 Trunks.

>>159034426
Better fight choreography with hit or miss animation.

>>159034262
Shitty character,shitty design, mary sue.

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>>159034402
Caulifla is Goku' Universe 6 counterpart. Of course she's ridiculously strong

>>159034522
That's actually a pretty good question

>>159034541
>They like burly men with large muscles dripping in sweat and cuts with their shirts ripped off
Boner(no homo)

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>>159034555
Trips don't lie.
>people still deny Caulifla=Kakarotto

>>159034141
>>159034241
Nappa seems far more reasonable and more likely to turn into a good guy than Vegeta ever did. It's strange that Tori picked Vegeta to join the Dragon Ball Team. I was baffled when Vegeta just suddenly stopped caring about killing Goku and his allies after the Freeza arc. He just decided he wasn't to be completely evil anymore and there was no justification for it.

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How many more sagas do you think this show has left?

I think it's ending around ep 250 so maybe two or three is my guess

Why are people acting like she solo murdered Kale when all she did was deflect one random ki blast?

>>159033926
I would guess that they think being that muscular is excessive to a comedic point. Like it's a fetish, which is why they associate huge muscles with being gay and/or weak.

Which is opposite to how the west sees strength.

Dragon Ball Super - TV Ratings for episode 93
1. Sazae - 11.3%
2. Crayon Shin-chan - 8.7%
3. If you don't reply to this - 7.3%
4. Post your mother will die - 7.1%
5. In her sleep tonight!- 6.2%
6. Dragon Ball Super - 5.6%
7. Detective Conan - 5.2%
8. Go! Go! Chuggington - 3.3%
9. Shaun the sheep - 3.0%
10. My Hero Academia - 3.0%

>Ratings increase quite a bit for Frieza and MS. MAXIMUM
>BNHA only barely makes it into the top 10 with the best fucking episode of the series and all that glorious animation
i'm very conflicted /a/

>>159034629
>people
Haven't seen anyone besides that guy complain about it.

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If someone showed you years ago that THIS is the new Z-fighter roster, would you believe them?

>>159034599
It's not ending until Goku and Vegeta fly off into space to fight until old age takes them.

>>159034672
I believed it last year.

>>159034078
Is that a fucking Yardrat?

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>>159034078
>Am I the only one that is rooting for Universe2?
Yes. Pride Troopers a best.

>>159034141
That always bugged me too. The early Vegeta who killed Nappa and later Vegeta who obsesses over being the prince of Saiyans almost seem like entirely different characters.

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>>159034555
Can it be more obvious?

>>159034672
How did Yamcha lose his scars?

>>159034555
no she isn't

fuck off with this meme

>>159033372
Retards again vegeta never cared about his people only that he was the strongest out of all of them he took pride in that, now after buu saga he put away his selfish pride and now want to keep his new home and would do anything to protect it

>>159034760
Di Ooishi and Toyotaro hate fuck?

Alright time to match people who will fight each other:

So we have:
Goku v Jiren
Vegeta v FatTelletuby
Freeza v Hit
17 and 18 v the DQ characters
Gohan and Piccolo v other Justice rangers
Tien and Roshi vs those wolves dudes from before
Krillin v I have no fucking clue

>>159034765
That joke is starting to get really lame, not because it's bad, but because it's so fucking overused

>>159033722
Vegeta still calls himself the prince because he is one. He can't call himself a king because he was never crowned king.

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>>159034555

Goku:
> "So you're just like me!"

>>159034858
Could Super bullshit its way into having the king of the Universe 6 saiyans hold the coronation?

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>>159034555
>Caulifla is Goku' Universe 6 counterpart.

Stop.

>>159034858
But given that there are like 3 saiyans from planet vegeta left and nobody with the actual authority to crowning him then can't he crown himself?

>>159034953
Why bother?

>>159034771
>>159034959
>no she isn't
see >>159034593
>>159034733

>>159034858
Would you look at that, the prince of all 8 Saiyans has finally faced reality.
Oh I just can't wait to never be king.

Is 18 really going to fight in a tracksuit?

>>159034662
Why did you feel the need to cram a shitty meme in there? Are you 12?

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Zamasu is beautiful.

>>159034979
Fuck if I know. Fanservice? Does anyone even want that?

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Is this Freeza's endgame?

does 17 know Krillin wished away the bomb inside him?

>>159035026
Only if being crowned King gives him a new form for whatever reason.
Or a better outfit at least.

How much you want to bet that universe who Whis claimed had a fighter even stronger than their own God of Destruction isn't even universe. Watch it ended up being that sailor moon bitch or the fairy girl.

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What did they mean by this?

>>159034979
>>159035026
I'm hoping there's some kind of short arc where Vegeta goes to Planet Sadla and meets the King of the Saiyans, who wants to abdicate for Vegeta since he's much stronger, but Vegeta ends up rejecting him because he loves his family and earth too much

it'd be some nice fanservice and a good way to show how the character's progressed

So what if the U6 saiyans are unable to do the god ritual and instead are able to take the SS4 evolutionary line?

>>159035077
They don't even have tails.

>>159034962
That would be a very large prestige hit.

reminder vegeta is filler and should never returned from namek to earth.

>>159035051
>Vegeta in King red armor

>>159035115
Well then just make them grind up coffee beans.

>>159034989
she's a wife and mother, she's got modesty to keep

Why is gogeta/vegito the best character in the entire series?

>>159035051
What would be a better outfit for Vegeta? I'm assuming it'd be some kind of new armor, as it almost always is. I'd look it up but all I'd get is edgy shit.

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What the fuck did they do to Gogeta?
> Goku's SSB hair
> Kamehameha
> Undershirt

>>159034962
I'd be willing to bet that the Saiyans lived by a beat-the-king-become-the-king rule given how savage they are. Vegeta knows better than to risk letting Goku become his king.

>>159035141
Shut the fuck up, Yamcha.

>>159035224
It's called 'artistic liberty'.

Goku's clothes turn blue when he goes SSJB there.

>>159035067
They already forgot

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>>159035211
Just change Vegeta's outfit to have his father's color scheme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdVZ5a7jHio
Post your reaction when Goku almost dies after taking about 5 hits from Jiren

Super Saiyan God-King Vegeta.

>>159033777
It always makes me happy when I see that somebody saved this

>>159035326
Except for the boots. Good god.

>>159035067
That 300 years old Roshi's "secret training" will not amount to much of anything in the ToP. Well good for him that he now can at least actually control himself when need be.

>>159035355
His wife bought them for him.

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>>159034765

>>159035044
Probably. He's talked to 18 on the phone after it happened, she probably mentioned it

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I want to pet him

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>>159035067
In the manga Goku and Vegeta haven't gotten any stronger, only improved their efficiency with the SSB transformation.


In the anime Vegeta changed his mind apparently.

>>159035031
Somone needs to draw Golden form with hakaishin outfit

I want to read Freeza's manifesto.

Why are people assuming that every fighter from the other universes are all God level? They're likely all the same as 7, where only two or three are or even begin to approach it.

>>159035435
Why are Toyocucks so fucking defensive and can't go five seconds without talking about how euphorically superior the manga is? Jesus christ

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>>159035435
>In the manga Goku and Vegeta haven't gotten any stronger

Both the anime and manga are at fault. Come on, anon

>>159035523
You seem upset.

>>159035540
>only improved their efficiency with the SSB transformation.
Thanks for proving my point.

>>159035339
I'd be into this.

>>159035435
> Manga Vegeta hasn't gotten any stronger

- SSB Vegeta loses to SS1 Black
- Then after training in the RoSaT, SSG can toy with SSR Black with short bursts of SSB

Stop being a hypocrite. Both are at fault.

Also good job in trying to make a non "manga vs anime" post into one

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>>159035435

>>159033842
I love how the whole "Martial arts" thing gets poked at every few years.

Kamesennin never taught any techniques to Goku or Krillin. Even the Kamehameha was a thing they learned by themselves.

All Roshi taught them was how to reach superhuman levels of strength and even states that fighting is something everyone is capable of so he won't teach them any actual martial arts. He pretty much assigned them into the first tournament to humble them. All Goku knows is how to punch and kick incredibly fast and whatever he's picked up along the way by fighting. Sometimes I wonder how much stronger he might be if he actually knew any proper techniques. Like how using actual Kendo techniques made Kenpachi seem freakishly stronger in Bleach for example.

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>>159035326
or just this

>>159035624
Stop being stupid.
The manga has made it pretty damn clear that SSB has huge weaknesses. One of them being stamina loss over time, which is why SSB Vegeta was fighting onpar with SS2* Black after getting a Zenkai boost.

>-Then after training in the RoSaT, SSG can toy with SSR Black with short bursts of SSB
Which was done to lessen the stamina loss from SSB. Seriously dude pay attention.

>>159034117
DBS in is entirety is a mistake

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> "If you call that a sin, then I don't care!!!"

>>159034392
Fuck!

He could have made fight which feel like actual old DB

>>159035666
Goku knows Kung fu thanks to Gohan, but that's it

>watching the tournament episodes after buu saga(first time)
>animation looks worse than cell saga
is this right? am I just remembering cell saga differently?

>>159034262
Because Kale might fuck her

Good! We have never enough of yuri

>>159035726
Wrong.

The Manga!Champa arc made it clear: the INITIAL transformation costs 90% power...SSB isn't SS3

>>159034262
Because a lot of people grew up with dragonball and Toriyama stated somewhere once that females of the saiyan race never could reach the height of power required for super saiyan so it became a token fact. That and we got to see how the main cast struggled to gain their power so seeing some new smug ass female character easily break all these token facts upsets many people. It's like she was made specifically to break rules of what were considered canon so far.

>>159033830
This happens with any general on 4chan, I'd like to believe it's bots but the sad reality is that it's just autists

>>159033372
>took away his childhood
Wait, did frieza rape him then? Am I missing something here?
>tfw digits never

>Toei animation follows Geekdom101

>>159035666
That's always been my biggest beef with Dragon Ball. I suppose Toriyama wanted to avoid having his characters strength be decided by whatever new fighting technique they learned, but now it's just come down to what new transformation they unlock.

>>159035780
He knows Monkey style and Janken.

>>159035856
This >>159033436 has to be a fucking bot. It's posted on every thread upon its creation.

>>159034541
>They like burly men with large muscles dripping in sweat and cuts with their shirts ripped off. They want to see more Recoomes, Bojacks, Brolys, and SSJG3 Trunks.
So what if I do? You guys have tons of male fan service in harems and other countless anime shows almost every freakin season. What's wrong with wanting more sweat muscular guys fighting each other for warrior pride and martial honor?

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>>159035838
Right.

Why do you think Goku held back on SSB until the last moment in his fight with Hit? Because it loses stamina over time, pay attention.

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>>159035957
I forgot the Janken thing

>>159035782
Yeah Buu saga don't have any good fights where both fighters are equally matched besides Goku vs Vegeta. Pretty much everyone agrees it's worst DBZ saga

>>159034426
https://www.reddit.com/r/dbz/comments/4mkm22/dumb_question_what_are_the_differences_between/d3yr58m/

>>159034005
>manga hit vs goku
Hahahahaha thats funny

>>159035957
>>159036091
I guess you could say he knows... Kong Fu.

>>159036003
Goku wanted to make sure he had to use it, because of it's ridiculous cost

Again, the cost is mostly for the initial transformation. Pay attention

>>159036108
It really depends how you define saga, if its
Sayian
Freeza
Cell
Buu
Then yes I agree

>>159033425
Toriyama's brain is still there though

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>>159036108
>Yeah Buu saga don't have any good fights where both fighters are equally matched besides Goku vs Vegeta.
Shit taste desu.

>>159036177
>Goku wanted to make sure he had to use it, because of it's ridiculous cost
Nice headcanon but no the page I posted before proves you wrong. Just admit it.

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>>159033457
>>159033777

((NINGEN NINGEN NINGEN NINGEN NINGEN NINGEN NINGEN NINGEN NINGEN NINGEN NINGEN))

>>159035754
No wonder why Trunks is so shit

>>159036233
>Nice headcanon
It's literal common sense. Goku NEVER goes all-out in the beginning of a fight.

> But I already proved...
That isn't the page where they explained why Vegeta lost to Hit. They explicitly say it right there.

>>159036091
Huh, it's been so long I forgot about that panel. I don't think he ever mentions Kung Fu specifically again. I don't think he actually uses Kung fu techniques in the series at any point. I think it was more of a throwaway joke to explain some of his freakish strength.

>>159035224
They don't want to give Vegeta nice things

>>159035754

Based dimps keeping the best version and making it more coherent with best trunks (not the disappointing trunks since Vegeta's switch)

>>159036297
I agree, Manga Trunks is a huge waste, he was good in the first part though but went shit since Vegeta's switch

>>159036208
There's no proof of that.

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>>159036335
>Goku NEVER goes all-out in the beginning of a fight.
Goku vs 19
SS3 Goku vs Beerus(Movie)
SS3 Goku vs Kid Buu(Manga)
Goku vs Future Zamasu(Manga)
Off the top of my head.

>That isn't the page where they explained why Vegeta lost to Hit.
I'm not talking about that pay attention.
>>159036003
>Why do you think Goku held back on SSB until the last moment in his fight with Hit? Because it loses stamina over time, pay attention.
The image there explains why or also this one.

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>>159035754
XV2's Future Trunks Saga is pretty great

Assuming they could pull it off would a fusion dance be against the rules?

>>159036477
Since this is /a/ I am contractually obligated to say that it is shit since you like it.

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>>159033977
Same. I love the manga flashback

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>>159036477
The PQ where Black and Zamasu have a fall out is hilarious.
>Zamasu was planning on betraying Black since the beginning

>>159036588
Fuck is a PQ?

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How strong is Friezer now? Could he go toe to toe with Bills?

>>159036615

Parallel Quest

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>>159036615
Parallel quest

>>159036449
In one of those battles he was literally dying. Also being in your best SS form =/= going all-out. Most especially for Goku.

Goku is the king of "I was just holding back!". He did it with Fat Buu (he said he could've killed him if he wanted), even with Beerus (as a SSG)

> I'm not talking about that pay attention.
We're talking about how SSB's power drain works.

SSB's "weakness" is the initial cost of transformation, as mentioned in the Champa arc. It's not a rapid and substantial continual loss of power like SS3.

>>159036619
>Bills

>>159036588
Which one is that one

>>159035838
Actually Goku states to Hit that 「気の消耗が激しい」
Which translates to "the consumption/burn of Ki is rapid/volatile" which proves that there is a drawback besides the cost of transforming multiple times in succession.
This line exists in both manga and Anime (ep 38 17min in) so it's most likely part of the Plot Outline as well.

>>159033926
They associate it with homosexuality.
Basically swap the stereotypes for a twink and a chad and you've got how it is in Japan. Future generations then see this and go along with it because being a twink gets em laid which furthers the stereotype.

>>159036659
111

>>159036477
>Dimps made a better Zamasu arc than Toei and Toyo
How did they do it?

>>159036233
Nice, I've never seen the manga version of the fight. The choreography is amazing and I love the flow between panels, with even the onomatopoeias being used to direct which way to view the action.

>>159036670
Was the 90% initial loss of power exclusive for only Vegeta then?

>>159036646
>In one of those battles he was literally dying
Only after spending awhile in the SS transformation.

>Goku is the king of "I was just holding back!"
You mostly thinking of Toei Goku. This was the final match of the tournament he had no reason to hold back.

>We're talking about how SSB's power drain works.
Yeah and it has more then one dumbass
>>159035726
>SSB has huge weaknesses
>weaknesses
>One of them being stamina loss over time,
>One of them

>SSB's "weakness" is the initial cost of transformation, as mentioned in the Champa arc.
This is the first one

and this is the other one
>Because it loses stamina over time, pay attention.

>>159036738
By carring about the series

>>159036738
Dimps is still shit for not adding Rage Trunks or Deformed Merged Zamasu in the game despite having models and movesets for both of them. Rage Trunks doesn't nearly look as good as he does model form than he does in the cinematic cut scene

>>159036750
No I think there's two downsides.
1) a channelling cost
2) massive diminishing return (stamina cost) for multiple transformations in succession.

>>159034262
Because just because this is a silly series with a ton of inconsistencies, you can't just throw out all the rules and expect us to swallow it. Yes Goten and Trunks broke these rules in the Buu saga. I hated that too and that doesn't excuse the shitshow that is Super. I mean if training isn't even required to gain these transformations anymore, then what the hell is the incentive to watching these characters get stronger? Why should I care about Goku doing some intense workout that could kill him if he fucks up, when some Mary Sue bitch can get to his level by just feeling her body tingle.

>>159036792
Finally someone gets it.

>>159034826
Goku vs Jiren with Toppo interlude
Vegeta vs Hit with Magical girls interlude
17 vs Robots
Gohan and Piccolo vs Furries with U6 Saiyans interlude (Gohan vs Kale being the main fight)
Freeza and Frost vs the Gods/fodder/Saiyans
18 and Krillin vs Justice Fodder nd helping out 17

>>159036789
Deformed zamasu is a bit OP like some of the raid "bosses", rage trunks is just the sword of hope varriation trunks with a blue aura. While it would fill the last collum in the roster I honestly don't care if their in the game or not just like pikkon, andriods 14 and 15

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>watching these gt episodes for the first time
>goku jr introduced
>can't ssj, can't fight, can't fly, gets bullied by other kids
>now hitchhiking with some amerifat
I wonder how mad goku would be if he was alive to see this little shit ruining his legacy.

>>159033372
Why would he intentionally worry his son? He respects his family and wants to keep them safe.
>You see Trunks, we really fucked up and need Frieza's help or everything you and I know will be erased from existence.

>>159036766
>Yeah and it has more then one dumbass
Im talking about SSB's MAIN weakness retard

Of course it has a lasting power drain, every form (except FPSS) does.

There's nothing worse than a 90% loss during initial transformation. The weakness was using SSB in succession.

>>159036872
Lets be real
Goku
Jiren
Hit
Bergamo
Will be the last 4
Hit vs bergamo and goku vs jiren will be the closing few episodes.

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Daily reminder that manga is not canon and Toyo is a hack that makes up shit as he goes along

>>159035229
Goku as the king of saiyans would be fucking hilarious and you know it.

>>159036987
The manga is a secondary source to the anime, like in dbz the anime is a secondary source to the manga.

>>159036987
Toyo retconned SSG, so it's okay

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ladies and gentlemen your multiversal tournament MVP and New GoD

>>159036985
>Bergamo

But he's one trick pony that doesn't have any real powers. He won't survive a second there,

>>159035229
it's a good thing goku is unable to beat vegeta 1on1

>>159037017
Wrong they both directly work with Toriyama's Plot Outline.
Hell Shueisha and Bird Studio doesn't even credit Toei for the manga.

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So, this thing

Never again, right?

>>159035702
Shoulder armor will never come back.

>>159036951
>Im talking about SSB's MAIN weakness retard
Then you are fucking retarded because Vegeta himself says that the stamina loss of time is SSB's MAIN weakness. In the pic here >>159036449

>Of course it has a lasting power drain
Nice backpedaling retard
>>159035838
>Wrong.

>The Manga!Champa arc made it clear: the INITIAL transformation costs 90% power...SSB isn't SS3

>>159037038
Going to job to little Saiyan girls.

>>159036987
>Toyo is a hack that makes up shit as he goes along
Sounds like Toriyama.

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>>159037061
When will manlets learn?

>>159036987
>>159037036
"It's better that way" -Toriyama

>>159037044
You know how cool it would be for hits time skip to interact with bergamos growth ability

>>159036987
>a hack that makes up shit as he goes along

Truly a Toriyama successor

>>159036985
I'm under no impression that this arc will turn into a Goku vs Jiren only shitfest but thats how I think the fight might play out
I can see Toppo making it far for Jiren exposition

>>159037082
What is this?

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Reminder that this is the one true DB canon:

> Jaco the Galactic Patrolman Manga (which includes DB Minus)
> DB Manga
> Yo! Son Goku Returns! Special
> BoG Movie
> RoF Movie
> Champa Arc script
> Future Trunks Arc script
> Universe Survival Arc script

NOT canon:
> Movies other than BoG, RoF
> TV Specials and OVAs other than Yo! Son Goku Returns!
> Episode of Bardock
> Filler
> Any differences found between the Champa, Trunks, and U. Survival scripts (such as SSB Kaioken, Planet Potaufeu mini-arc, Mastered SSB, Trunks' healing)
> Entirety of DBGT
> DB Videogames (other than MAYBE DB Online)

Debatable:
> DB Online

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>>159036987

>>159037078
Why would toei get credit for the manga? The manga is just promotional material.

>>159037092
that's Gohan

>>159037146
*will turn into anything but
Also Freezer will probably make it deep int the tourny

>>159037038
>Shinzouningen

>>159037078
>Hell Shueisha and Bird Studio doesn't even credit Toei for the manga.
So could another stuido get the animation rights for the DBS manga only?

>>159037089
> See pic

Wow I guess Toyo forgot what happened to Vegeta in the Champa arc?

>>159037196
>Freezer

>>159037160
In the manga bardock is shown in his atire that he wore durring the bardock special, so the special is canon.

>>159037160
So SSB Kaioken and Mastered SSB are both non cannon?

>>159037213
>being this retarded
wew
See >>159036792

so Toriyama is the Japanese George Lucas?

Why are character designs in Super so shit? It's like they literally never came up with an original idea, every new character looks like they were plundered from reused assets. I mean making a Fat Beerus and Genderbent whis is just the tip of the iceberg. All the angels look the damn same, and Grand Priest looks like a manlet Whis. Goku Black is literally just an edgy Goku, so it's a repeate of Turles again, and Zamasu is just a Green Supreme Kai. Frost looks like they traced over Frieza. Cabba looks like a 100 pound soaking wet Teen Vegeta. Hit has Cell's facial features with a dick for a head. I mean I can go on and on, that's not even getting into the shitty designs of the characters by themselves. Every single Mecha looks utterly generic when Toriyama used to be great at illustrating Mecha (just look read early Dragonball or Dr Slump and the different versions of Caramel Man. All the Anthropomorphized characters lack any personality and look utterly generic, when he used to have some cool ones like Giran. Oh and how can I forget the most obvious offenders redoing Kaioken and giving Super Saiyan a blue dye job and giving Frieza lakers colors. It literally might be the most artistically bankrupt anime I ever watched.

>>159037281
No, he's better than Lucas

>>159037254
They serve the same purpose, ones an asspull the other is a nostalgia grab. Ill let you decide which is which

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>>159037160
>Champa Arc script
> Future Trunks Arc script
> Universe Survival Arc script

There are no scripts. Toriyama just gives them napkins with some doodles and short notes

>>159033372
If you knew anything of Vegeta's past then you'd know that all of that makes sense coming from someone who has committed just as many sins.

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>>159037325
>asspull

>>159037230
The character and DB Minus is canon

Bardock getting psychic powers and Super Saiyan isn't canon

>>159037325
Well, the Super Manga is non cannon, so I don't really need to choose

>>159036985
>Hit and Bergamo wasting time on trying to take out each other when Jiren is still in the Ring

I swear to god, the DBZ fanbase has no idea how Battle Royale's work.

Why the fuck would Hit and Bergamo focus on fighting each other, when they could go help Goku throw out Jiren, whom to our current knowledge is the biggest threat in this tournament, and the after turn on Goku and throw him out, thus significantly increase their chances of their Universe's winning?

They can go and 1v1 each other to their hearts content when they no longer have to worry about Ayy Lmao and Goku.

>>159037160
Also Bardock being a brilliant scientist is canon.

>>159037430
Its dragon ball, its not an anime known for its plot depth.

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>>159037172
Shueisha's Dragon Ball Room begs to differ.
Toei works for them and Shueisha is acting as the Editorial Office for all things DB related.
Everyone is working to make sure Toei doesn't shit the bed once again and make a GT2.0

Toriyama thanks Shueisha/Jump for keeping the franchise alive, doesn't even mention Toei once. (Laughs)

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Fuck this part of the fight. Fuck everything about it he whooped my ningen ass up and down the map.

>>159037262
So both are right? And?

90% loss of power is still much worse. And training it to be more "efficient" takes away that loss...yet both Goku and Vegeta still got ridiculously stronger. Especially Goku

> Able to fight a fusion character (SS Rose x SS3 Goku)

>>159037213
No his whole half year ordeal in the time chamber was about working on his stamina cost/ transitions between God and Blue God Ki for efficiency.

>>159037533
You need to tell everyone to lend their energy to you

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>>159037430
>Why the fuck would Hit and Bergamo focus on fighting each other, when they could go help Goku throw out Jiren, whom to our current knowledge is the biggest threat in this tournament
I doubt it'd work out like this, both for plot reasons and for storytelling reasons. Goku has pissed everyone off during the preliminary matches, most universes will be out for U7's blood. Maybe some opportunists here and there will try to fight other universes (U11 most likely won't join in on the initial U7 hatefest, they need to take out jobbers to prove how strong they are and judging by the previews U10 will be those jobbers) but most of the rest will probably gang up on U7. They'll probably persevere because plot for a climactic clash against U11.

My bet is that Goku will asspull some kind of retard power to fight on parity with Jiren and the time limit will be over before either of the two can truly gain the upper hand (even though Goku hasn't really trained between the preliminaries and the tournament so Jiren should be able to turn him into mincemeat).

>>159037545
Jesus you're retarded last (you)

>>159034826
Already confirmed:
Ganos (U4) vs Goku(U7)
Magetta(U6) vs Dino Hero(U11)
Wolfman (U4) vs Green PT(U11)
Tree (U9) vs Oger (U11)
Murichim(U10) vs Toppo (U11)

Preview hints at it but not 100%:
Roshi(U7) vs FemalePT(U11)
17 vs DarkGreenAlien(U10)

My Predictions:
Kirrlin & 18 vs somebody from U9
Jiren vs U2 member (next episode)
Jiren vs Goku (obvious)
Vegeta vs MagicalGirlTrio
Piccolo & Gohan vs Namekian Duo (U6)
Damon vs someone from U7
U3 vs U6, U9,U10 or U2 (large scale battle with multiple fighters.

>>159034733
Post that comparison where she's holding Kale and Goku is holding Gohan

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>>159033372

Nappa and Vegeta could've did the same thing to Earth if Goku didn't stop them.

>>159037370
>Toeipedro can't even spell canon right
Typical.

>>159036670
Do you have the raws for chapter 15?

>>159037583
Love (you) too

>>159037513
>Everyone is working to make sure Toei doesn't shit the bed once again and make a GT2.0
Well they'd better work harder then.

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>>159037342
>Toriyama-san is the script done yet? We need to start animating soon.
>Script for what exactly?
>D-Dragon Ball Super..
>?...Uh yes right. Let me just use the toilet I'll be back in 15 minutes.

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>>159037533
>>159037576
>mfw the people who gave trunks their energy
>past future trunks and future gohan
>the GT verse of goku, trunks, and pan
>time portal trunks

>>159035115
Vegeta didn't have a tail either, did he?

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>>159037513
>Everyone is working to make sure Toei doesn't shit the bed once again and make a GT2.0
Too late.

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Which universe is this from?

>>159037740
They should have given DBS to Shaft.
It would at least be entertaining,

>>159037683
>that moment he appears in the time nest only to get BTFO by Zeno in seconds
rest in peace sweet prince