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>Human kingdom politely asks for medical assistance from the elves to save the princess
>Elves refuse because they're dicks.
>Humans keep trying to diplomacy, only to be ignored further.
>War breaks out
>Woooooow fucking humans why are they so baaad
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>>157852054
Re:Monster.
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>>157851154
Chaotic Neutral is not evil still.
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>>157851154
If a rich guy refuses to give bread to a homeless man despite easily being able to pay for it, does that make the homeless guy justified in stealing his wallet?
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>>157853310
No, but he really shouldn't be surprised that he became the victim of crime.
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>>157853393
That doesn't make the homeless guy good, which is what the OP seems to be arguing:
>Woooooow fucking humans why are they so baaad
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>>157853447
No, but it also doesn't make the rich man any less of an idiot for inciting the desperate to act against him.
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>>157853310
If the homeless man was going to literally die without that loaf of bread then yeah. He's not asking for a kidney.
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>>157853533
I'm not saying the elves are good people, I'm saying the OP is retarded for acting like it's okay to fight a war to steal shit that isn't yours regardless of how "mean" the owners are.
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>>157853576
The thing is the manga treats the humans like they're at fault and tries to gloss over the fact that the main reason any of this happened is because they were refused medicine from the only source for no real reason besides "muh elven pride".
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>>157853674
The TLed bits of the LN shed a bit more about that little bout.
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>>157853576
>You're waifu is dying.
>The elves have the medicine to save her.
>They refuse to sell/trade/bargain for the medicine
Who wouldn't resort to force to save their waifu?
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>>157851154
>please understand
Iwata was a goddamn elf?
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>>157853714
I read it but I don't remember it because it was dull as fuck. What happened?
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>>157853310
>man dying of thirst
>you have a bottle of a water
>he asks for some
>you say no
>he attacks you for it
>"wow what a dick"
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>>157853740
He didn't die, he just went back.
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>>157853674
Unless you're a communist, that should be an ok reason.
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>>157851154
>>157852132
re:monster is such a shitshow that goes nowhere except going how great the MC is
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>>157853794
You're in your right to refuse to help or bargain, sure, but don't be surprised when you get mugged.
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>>157853825
Again, I am not saying that the elves shouldn't have expected something like that, but it doesn't make the humans morally correct, which is what the OP is arguing. Like, if you walk down a dark alley and get mugged and beaten, does that mean the police shouldn't help you just because you were being stupid?
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>>157853967
>which is what the OP is arguing.
No he isn't.
The problem is the manga tries to paint the humans as being at fault here with some bullshit about how fighting the elves was a lucrative enterprise and some "wow humans suck" wankery, but at the end of the day the humans tried diplomatic means several times before they justifiably resorted to force.
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What's actually enjoyable about the series? MC is just going to get more and more broken and white wash all the bad shit he's doing, every girl gets wet for him, etc. No real conflict, just reasons to show off his powerlevel.
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>>157854151
>What's actually enjoyable about the series?
The cute goblin girls and not much else.
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>>157854040
>justifiably
It's understandable, but not justifiable, unless you think property rights shouldn't be a thing, in which case you can fuck off to /leftypol/.
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>>157854209
It's not legal, but it's justifiable, in the sense that the law isn't always just.
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>>157854209
>>157854234
And moreover, extenuating circumstances can and do reduce the gravity of the crime in the eyes of the law.
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>>157851154
Survival has no morality, it is just survival. Same with justice.
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>>157853795
Is this Re:monster? And here I was about to ask for sauce. As much as I admit the clashing of morality between two cultures would make for an interesting premise, the fact that it's that retarded series only means it will be used as an excuse for more conquering, drugging and rape.
>>157854151
Asians love powerleveling. That's it, I guess?
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>>157853310
It's a case of a rich guy refusing to sell bread he have monopolized to another rich guy that needs it desperately in order for his country to survive, and after many tries to reach commercial and diplomatic solution only military solution left. Many wars started for lesser reasons.
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>>157851154
>Knife ears being faggots
Typical
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>>157854151
My nigga Ogakichi
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>>157854151
He has a few deaths in his group and he does have tough battles.
He is still not powerful compared to the top tier gods which can kill him easily.

>>157854209
>>157854277
The strong make the law and write history, they are justified.
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>>157854151
Its power fantasy at its fullest. If you want an MC that gets all the power, all the women, all the friends, etc. then its for you.
The prime example of the level of creativity behind it is that the MC had unexplained ophax super powers even before he was trucked into fantasy world so he wasn't a normal human to begin with. That's the level of thought that goes into the writing.
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>>157855536
If he's so OP then why did he get shanked so easily by some not!childhood friend/acquaintance in one hit?
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>>157853310
Those two examples are not parallel to each other this >>157853776 is more accurate.
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>>157853776
>man dying of hunger
>you have 3 hamburgers
>he asks a hamburger
>you say no
>he attacks you for it and steal all your hamburgers
>you're now dying because of hunger and bleeding after being attacked
>"he's not wrong"
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>>157855868
why are you dying of hunger if you've had food, had the supplies for three units of food, and yet didn't feel like you could part with one unit of food while retaining two

you're not dying of hunger, you're dying of baby tears because you wanted all three burgers
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>>157855985
Can't you read it? He steals your 3 hamburgers
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>>157855647
He let his guard down and he didn't abuse his eating skill when he was human.
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>>157854209
>putting property rights over even the right to live
Are you a caricature of what leftists think of Capitalism? Because if you aren't, you convinced me that Karl Marx was right.
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>>157851154
You forgot the best part, the Elves gave MC the medicine because they only agreed not to give it to humans.
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>>157855647
Great question.
A good writer would have a believable justification for that, wouldn't they?
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>>157853795
i can sum it up
man are fighter and females are whores. i am not joking.
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>>157855868
>guy being a dick
>takes all his shit instead of leaving some
>apparently he's in the wrong for giving the same treatment he got from the man
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re:monster sucks

>oh look the goblin is actually the hero/good guy what an original japanese idea haven't seen this before finally something breaks the mold hurr
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>>157856665
>man are fighter and females are whores

So where's the fantasy part?
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>>157856847
It's one of the first to do it, pay your respects.
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>>157856919
in the cave when he uses magic to fuck the girls
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>>157856638
>fuckers didn't even need it

This is why no one likes elves.
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Is RE:Monster the worst history involving goblins?
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>>157857461
How many are there?
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>>157853310
That's not the situation at all.

Let's say a billionaire was in a plane crash in the wild. He is famous, so everyone knows he can pay for anything. You're walking along on your private island, being a billionaire yourself, and the stranded, now starving billionaire asks for your cheeseburger, promising to pay for it, even offering to sign a contract.

You refuse, despite knowing his great wealth and prepare to watch him die, but he musters up the last of his strength, whacks you in the noggin, and throws in a few more punches for good measure due to the adrenaline. He takes the rest of your cheeseburgers, knowing that you will continue to refuse to sell him your stash of cheeseburgers because you only have 400 and I mean come on, that's not enough to spare, like come on man.
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>>157857980
Well except for the fact that the billionaire hired a bullshit isekai protagonist to enforce his dickery but yeah.
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>>157853723
KILL ALL THE KNIFE-EARED FAGGOTS!
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>>157857461
>goblin sympathy
Of course it is
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At what LN chapter do i continue after manga?
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>>157856151
Which could have been avoided if you parted with one of them.

Not that anon, btw
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>>157856714

>you're a dick for not giving someone some of your super limited resource just because they asked you nicely for it

Fucking commie scum. The humans didn't even fucking try to barter for it. It was just "give us your super precious healing item!" "no" "k we're gonna kill you all and take it from you then"
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>>157858176
>>you're a dick for not giving someone some of your super limited resource
It's not, they didn't even want it. They gave the MC some just because.
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>>157851154
>violating the NAP
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>>157858207

>give us your resource that only you can manufacture because we asked nicely
>oh you refused our completely empty begging? Great that gives us casus belli to genocide you and take it from you instead of just engaging in trade like a sane person would do
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>>157858176
It's not like the humans were asking for it for free.

Negotiations almost certainly involved a proposed trade.

Yes, trade is voluntary. However, if you disregard someone's best efforts to be civil concerning a life or death situation, it's pretty damn justified that they take the uncivil route.

After all, it's life or death. There are no big-boy points for dying quietly.
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>>157858207
So the elf just being dick and hate human, right?
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>>157858262
>implying it was empty begging and that a powerful kingdom wouldn't offer to purchase it or otherwise trade for it.
>implying the elves would accept bartering anyway
>implying the elves even had a reason to refuse besides being elves

Elfposters pls go.
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>>157858260
>violate NAP
>die or maybe live
>don't violate NAP
>die

You know which option is gonna happen you ancap fuck.
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>>157858308
Yes. The best part is they were getting their asses kicked by the human armies, and the only reason they didn't all end in sexual slavery was because they got lucky with the MC's military assistance.
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>>157858306

>headcanon

Show me where they proposed a trade. Because I've read and re-read it and all I see is "we can't give it to you" which means they were just asking for it, not offering anything in return.

>>157858326

Humans are literally the bad guys in this setting, it's to be expected.
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>>157858358
>Humans are literally the bad guys in this setting
Humans are incompetently portrayed as the bad guys in this setting, because anyone can see they were justified in their incursion.

The author is as bad at portraying humans as evil as he is at portraying the MC as not a rapist.
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>>157857777
Goblin is very strong, Goblin Kingdom and Goblin Slayer at least
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>>157858394

>justified in murdering, raping and destroying an entire species to save one life of their own kind

Only if you're a godless fucking communist. Fuck off.
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>>157858358
>Because I've read and re-read it and all I see is "we can't give it to you" which means they were just asking for it

Giving isn't exclusive to gifting. When you trade, you in fact give and receive in-turn.

Also, you don't think trades were part of the bargaining? Are you fucking retarded? That's like the first thing you do when you bargain, you offer something for something else.

>>157858326
>the only exchange of goods an elfposter can imagine is charity

Why am I even surprised?
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>>157858438

All of those are the natural consequence of the war that the elves begged for because they couldn't lift a finger to save the daughter of a powerful monarch.

Ooops, you knife-eared dumbfuck.
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How do people even stomach garbage like Re:Monster?
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>>157858438
>fuck up diplomacy so fucking hard you get holocausted

The free market would have prevented this.
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>>157858488

No mention is made of any attempt at 'negotiation', just that some prince was sent to acquire the elixir. So yeah, you're talking pure headcanon.

>>157858496

>hurr durr one human is worth countless elf lives
>it's okay for a king to throw the lives of elves and his own people away in a selfish war for one daughter of his
>I fucking love being an immoral cunt, I also frequent the cesspools known as humanity fuck yeah threads on /tg/ and masturbate to porn of humans fucking aliens and fantasy creatures better than their own males can
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>The elves just give away the elixir to people who don't even need it
>But they don't give it to humans because fuck humans
>Oh no, please stop fucking us humans please
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If a bandit walks up to you, and demands your money so he can save his dying mother, and you refuse, are you in the wrong for killing his entire bandit troupe when they try to take it by force?

If the elves don't want to hand their shit over, they don't have to. The humans have zero right to demand it in the first place. They have even less right to complain when Rou wrecks their shit after they attempted to invade.
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>>157858724
This is why we have to exterminate the knife-ears
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Itt: tree fucker
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>>157858724
>If a bandit walks up to you, and demands your money so he can save his dying mother

You mean "when a king" walks up to you, and "tries to negotiate repeatedly" for an elixir you have and don't really need nor have a problem with giving away for free, so he can save his dying daughter, then you are in the wrong for trying to pretend the king is in the wrong for invading your home and whining about it when his armies are trashing your armies, yes.
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>>157858630
The prince was sent to acquire the elixir by begging at their front door?

Come on now, use that brain of yours.
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>>157858724
You are not in the wrong for killing the bandit troupe, however, depending on amount of how much money you have, you may be responsible for his mother's death.
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I really like isekai...but i everytime i read a little about this I just cant...and i even enjoyed Kumo and Slime...but this...is this shit even enjoyable or im better just avoiding it?
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>>157858852
This one in particular is about a faggot neet hiding out in his cave for an indeterminate amount of time and becoming swole while he builds up his harem of sex slaves, all the while doublethinking himself into believing that he isn't implicit in human trafficking.
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>>157858852
You're better avoiding it, it's honestly pretty terrible. I'm reading the manga still because it's barely passable when there's nothing else to read, but it's not good by any metric.
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>>157858908
They developed stockholm syndrome so it isn't rape.
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>>157858724
Stop reading the analogies with food and money. They're asking for a resource that they can't get anywhere else. It's a fucking medicine, if the knife ears gave it to the MC who has enslaved some of their kind, they can give it to a kingdom to save one fucking person.

But what should we expect better from fucking Re:monster? This shit is bad, even by the low, low WN standards.
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>>157858908
I dont mind or care for the neet wanking and stuff...but its the world building at last interesting or is just a powerfantasy for betas?...the classic i win for being the special boy
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>>157858835
People with lots of money are not responsible for the deaths of people they don't know just because they don't want to be charitable. You might as well tell me I am responsible for the deaths of children in Africa because I can afford to feed them.

>>157858792
So if China decides they want a certain country's technology, and they attempt to "negotiate" with them to hand it over, and the country in question refuses, they can just invade and take it and it will be totally OK? Just because a nation gives out free shit to their own people or their allies doesn't mean anyone can just waltz up and be like "Oh, free stuff? Would you mind giving me some of that too? No? Hand it the fuck over if you know what's good for you!"
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And they say /tg/ hates elves.
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Dont you all forget that the elf try to use force to goblin when their turn them down?
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>>157858997
It's one of the most barefaced powerfantasies for betas I've ever read.

I started reading it and really liked the concept of the guy starting as a goblin and ranking up into other monsters, but the concept was wasted because the guy has a billion abilities and becomes ultra overpowered so fast chapters of the LN read like fucking shopping lists of skills.
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>>157858997
>>157858997
>but its the world building at last interesting or is just a powerfantasy for betas?...the classic i win for being the special boy

>Until now there is almost 0 world building and this is THE beta power fantasy
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All this shit reminds me of some asshole in medicine buying a medicines patent/etc IRL and then selling it at 10-100x the original price.

"Free Market" my ass.
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>>157859133
Patents and copyrights are some of the most fucked up legislation that exists on the western world. Literally written by corporations.
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>>157859055
Eh, I would argue that you are not responsible for death of children in Africa because you do not live in Africa and you are not in direct contact with them.
While in this situation it would take you no effort to do anything to save a life.
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>>157859133
Libertarians don't support patents.
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>>157859203
Yeah, if you're vacationing in africa and you are carrying a truckload of water and 50 negroes ask you for just one bottle to save a dying child, and you refuse many times, it's pretty stupid to complain when you're machete'd to pieces by 50 angry niggers.
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>>157859113
Thats what called my attention at first too,a low level MOB character that gets stronger but if what i have readed on this treads its true then it might has well be a God-goblinoid from the scratch...
>>157859113
Well...dam...
Back to Overlord and Shieldbro I guess
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>>157859203
The elves don't live in the fucking human country either. If a hundred angry mexicans crossed the border into Texas and demanded the citizens give them food, are they required to do so?

>>157859274
If you had to give a bottle of water to every passing nigger, your truckload of water would run out real fast. If those 50 niggers attacked your truck, you're justified in killing all of them and they can't make any complaint.
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>>157859419
>If you had to give a bottle of water to every passing nigger
No, you were offered to negotiate for ONE (1) bottle to save a particularly important nigger child. And you refused for no reason whatsoever. That's why you got assfucked by niggers.
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>>157859471
Once again, you are not obligated to save the nigger child, and you they have zero right to attack you for refusing. Being an asshole is not grounds for murder or having the country you rule get invaded.
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>>157859203

Anyone who had one way, and only one way, to save a person they give a fuck about, and that way would include coercing someone that could help at no cost but won't do it because he hates your species, would just ues violence against the fucker and get done with it. Anons here are doing the most retarded defense of the free market and the right to private property I've seen since Ayn Rand.
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>>157859568
>and you they have zero right to attack you for refusing.
But they have the means to attack you for refusing, and they're desperate enough to do it.
Maybe you should have reconsidered your position.
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>>157853310
>If a rich guy refuses to give bread to a homeless man
There's only a small vial of the stuff, it takes centuries to make even a drop, it's the most valuable substance in the entire world and the humans want to use all of it to save one person.

This is like the US going to war against China to save Donald Trump because China spent 100 billion dollars worth of R&D and sacrificed of thousands of lives to create a single injection of an experimental anti-aging drug.

HOW DARE THEY!1
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>>157859419
>If a hundred angry mexicans crossed the border into Texas and demanded the citizens give them food, are they required to do so?
I would say they are not required to do so unless, again, it would take them no effort. However, I also believe that when they demand with threats or attack, for their own sake, they should not do it. I mean most of it depends on factors like the food amounts, if they could have did anything to not need to demand food etc.
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>>157859596
And once they resort to that violence, they lose any right to complain when they get killed in turn.

>>157859626
Well then I simply shoot all the niggers, starting with the ones holding the machetes first. Not my fault they tried to attack me. It doesn't matter what mitigating circumstances you have, once you attack someone, you lose the moral high ground.
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>>157859639
>There's only a small vial of the stuff, it takes centuries to make even a drop
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>>157859626
>But they have the means to attack you for refusing, and they're desperate enough to do it.
That never makes it morally right. There is no logic in this. They are simply working by nigger-logic, so do you and the human kingdom.
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>>157859715
>Well then I simply shoot all the niggers
You mean "then I simply get assfucked by 50 niggers because they were a vastly superior force." And "Gosh, I hope I happen to luck out into securing the cooperation of a passing isekai protagonist or else my anus is gonna be a sex slave".
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>>157859739
>That never makes it morally right. There is no logic in this.
It is also not morally right to refuse to help save someone by parting with a substance you don't need or even want that badly simply because you're racist. You don't get to cry foul after you were refusing to move a finger to help save a life on request.
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How much shit is omitted in the Manga? Can i just skip the shit thats in the manga?
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>>157859719
Not the same elixir.
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>>157859808
Yes it is, he gives it to the humans later.
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>>157859803
>simply because you're racist
>Elves should die so humans don't have to!
Limited supply.
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>>157859803
It's acually more morally right to keep what you have for yourself and made for yourself. You are not obliged to help anyone.

Your argument is basically: GIBS ME DAT
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>>157859807
Don't read the WN, it's awful.

>>157859842
>Limited Supply
They literally give away the stuff.
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>>157859865
>You are not obliged to help anyone.
In this case, morally, you are. Since you don't care for your moral responsibility, you can't demand it from 50 desperate niggers.
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>>157859715

You would still be wrong, and you're still talking about those rights like they are objective absolutes instead of just a set of beliefs you assigned some value. You're basically like the people from before the French Revolution who would defend Feudalism and Monarchy as natural things, ordained by God. But the French Revolution came, and the revolution that will destroy the current system will come too, and future people will laugh at how silly people like you sounded back then.
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>>157859835
No it isn't. Humans wanted Emerald Elixir, a rare cureall. Apparently literally every single elf village in the world had regular healing elixirs that would do just as well. But retarded humans wanted the sacred rare stuff because it was infinitely more valuable and they didn't want to "soil" their precious princess with the common over the counter crap.
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>>157859865
Eh, letting people die that you can easily save that would have no effect on you does not sound morally right.
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>>157859913
>No it isn't. Humans wanted Emerald Elixir, a rare cureall.
You were saying?
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>>157859932
Go feed every starving african then.

>>157859887
>Since you don't care for your moral responsibility
There are other responsibilities, like protecting your own property. Again: Keeping what you have > taking it by force from others. There is also the moral responsibility on the side of the humans not to be violent niggers.
>you can't demand it from 50 desperate niggers
This is some colonial-like racism.
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>>157860010
>There are other responsibilities, like protecting your own property.
Protecting property you don't need at the expense of the lives of others is not morally right, and as such disqualification from demanding moral treatment of your property.
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>>157859960
Again, humans went to war for the secret sacred elixir vs village stuff that literally every elf has dozens of bottles, that sound secret to you? Or do you believe that Elven potion shops have secret shelves filled with secret potions advertized in huge secret "Yee Olde-Potion Shoppe" signs that random adventurers buy by the backpack full. We've seen other characters have potions before, they were humans. The problem is the human empire wanted THE sacred elixir instead of heading down to the local potion shop and grabbing a dozen bottles of the regular stuff. What part is too hard to understand?
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>>157860047
*Don't need or even badly want, considering how freely the King gave some to Ogarou without even being asked for it.
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>>157860067
>Again, humans went to war for the secret sacred elixir vs village stuff
Nice headcanon, but where's your proof? Feel free to post relevant manga pages or even translated WN pages.
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>>157860047
Demanding someone's property because you're too lazy or stupid to get your own is disqualification from being part of society in the first place.
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>>157860010
>Go feed every starving african then.
You are kinda changing the situation every time but whatever. If all the starving africans literally come to me and ask for my help while I have food way more than enough to let them not starve why would I not do that?
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>>157860091
Check OP.

>>157851154

Now compare it with the huge bottles of the stuff the elf gave Mary Stu.
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>>157860093
I'm sure that thought will be sufficient consolation when societal norms break down and you're torn to pieces by desperate niggers because of your hoarding of an item you didn't need nor even badly want.
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>>157860123
Again, nice headcanon. Feel free to point out any mention of the humans being stubborn about which cure for their princess they wanted, or about how Ogarou's elixir is not the same elixir the humans wanted.
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>>157860010
>gib heart
>now gib me an other heart
>don't care how many of you have to die just gib gib gib
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>>157860047
>Protecting property you don't need
When it is needed, how it is needed and when it is used is not for you and the human kingdom to decide. It is entirely up to the elves and they can do with it whatever they want. Even if they waste it they would be justified because this is how property works.
>and as such disqualification from demanding moral treatment of your property
There is no "and such". You are already in the wrong claiming the property from others for yourself.

>>157860098
Because you are a nice guy. However you will face even more starving children the next day, and even larger numbers the following day. How long can you keep this going until you are starving yourself?
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>>157860157
Feel free to do the same. Humans worked from a vague prophesy saying that only that one vial would work. Apparently literally any kind of healing potion would worked instead.
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>>157860138
Hence gun rights.
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You are never morally obligated to give away things you own to other people just "because you could save them" or "because you don't really need it anyway"

Not being charitable to strangers doesn't mean you are immoral or a bad person. The elves are plenty kind, to their own people and their allies at least. If I was a fucking billionaire, you think I'd give money to charity? Fuck no. Would I hand out shit to the homeless? Once again, no. I'd concentrate my blessings on my relatives and friends, friends of friends, etc. This doesn't make me a bad person. Just because $5 is like a tissue for blowing my nose doesn't mean I am going to run around throwing $5 bills at every homeless person in my path as I walk down the street.
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>>157860181
>More starving children
As long as it wouldn't cause you a noticeable loss there is no reason not to do it. Just because in the future there can be negative consequences in which, you can literally say no, it does not matter you should not help them when they ask for it.
I guess the moral part would kind of change to making it so they can get the stuff for themselves while also giving you something in exchange.
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>Comparing the humans to niggers
Course from what I'm reading some are in this thread to think this is a valid comparison.
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>>157860304
>As long as it wouldn't cause you a noticeable loss
Like giving away a super rare elixier?
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>>157860380
I didn't even read this manga, and the information in this thread is conflicting whether it was a rare elixir or not.
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>>157860336
CLEARLY you missed the part where the humans were killing and raping elves while begging for gibmedats from them, driving down their property values, other general crime along with reproducing more children than they make no effort to sustain other than handmedowns from the elves, being immensely violent and racist towards the elves while they leech off of them, blame the elves for everything that goes wrong, also the human fathers never stick around...
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>>157860380
>>157860455
If it's the Humans asking, it's a super rare elixir made by a small group of worshipers and who's existence can only be found through magical divination. It's valuable enough to cause a massive genocidal global scale war for only can the entirety of the human empire's military forces can breach into elven territory to assail the elven captial and breech the sacred vaults.

If it's Ogre asking, hey, "here's a dozen bottles yeah every single village on the planet has giant piles of the things"

Ogre is the guy who "has to" have sex with every single female character in the manga because they beg for it and has never faced any challenge of any kind. He's a guy who ate a rock and got the power over all mater.
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>>157860496
It's almost like they are two different elixirs. Or the author is a retard.
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>>157860551
My money's on the latter.
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>>157860598
Did you just lost an argument or why did you have to post this off-topic?
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>>157860551
What I want to know is why nobody in the human empire thought to go to the nearest elven village and buy a bottle instead of doing the whole diplomacy and global war thing.

In the LN over 30 million died in the war and after it 2 chapters later some random new adventurer who's just staring out has 6 potions in her backpack.

The story just doesn't make sense.
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>>157860619
>>157860598
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>>157860638
>>157860551
What if author is a genius and the elixir was a pretext by the humans to make a war in which they enslave the elves.
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If elixir is so common why didn't the humans find any of it during their war? Why was isekai returnee the one to find it?
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>>157860706
In re: Monster elves don't need to be enslaved to be raped, they'll beg their captors to rape them and he'll reluctantly do so because it would be cruel to leave an elf un-raped.
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>>157860191
>The elves don't just tell them that the common version that they have assloads of would work when the humans are apparently desperate enough to go to war to heal their princess
Stupid knife ear'd fucks deserve everything they get.
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>>157860681
So, yes?
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>>157860722
Jews, always the Jews.

The council of 300, knowing that the potion was quite common, spread a rumour and belief that it's only available from the Elves; fully knowing that this would eventually cause a war in which they can only benefit from.
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>>157860763
>knife ear
>>>/v/
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>>157860758
It's not rape if they beg for it, the method is actually pretty good since it removes the rape mental trauma.
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>>157860841
Elves aren't real. Stop being a stupid cross boarder.
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>>157851154
>People still read this shit.
Literally why.
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>>157853565
but what would you do if said homeless man asked for the most expensive medicine ever that the rich man needs for himself?
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>>157860916
Only reason I read it is I kinda like the weird ass RPG logic they use for gaining skills and whatnot. I don't see many manga or anime that do that sorta thing. But I also don't read that many either.
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>all these people defending the elves

not everything is white and black the humans tried their best with non-violent methods but when your royalty is dying and the elves has a cure they won't give cause pride war is going to become the only option sooner or later.
>muh evil huumans
they're acting out of survival, not hated against elves
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>>157857777
>How many are there?
There's at least two more off the top of my head where the protagonist reincarnates as a Goblin:

Goblin Kingdom which is pretty much the same as this, but less shameless in that it's not a full-on masturbatory fantasy like this one, the MC doesn't aquire a harem, doesn't have a cheat skill and actually has to struggle for the most part. It's still a reincarnated as a monster story so don't expect anything stellar.

Gob Tensei, a lolicon is reincarnated as a Goblin and saves an Elf loli from being gobbed and then moves in with her and her mom in their Elven village. Dropped the series somewhere around there because it was fucking awful. Lowpoint was him raping her shoe while she watched.
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>>157861366
Gs was right.
Goblin need to get purged
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>>157859960
Wait, those're chapter 31? where is it?
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>>157861366
>Lowpoint was him raping her shoe while she watched.
Is this slang or was he actually dicking a shoe? I mean, ffs have some standards.
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>>157861800
To elaborate: after saving her from being gang raped in the goblin village he carried her to a cave where he couldn't take it anymore because his penis was too erect so he tossed her on the ground and was getting ready to rape her, but as she was flailing and kicking with her feet her shoe flew off and landed on his erect penis at which point he started rubbing it and finished in the shoe. Then he calmed down and was very embarassed about the whole thing so she forgave him.

Afterwards she wanted to burn the shoes, but her mother told her they were magical shoes that increase your speed and automatically adjust to your foot size left to her by her dead father so she ended up keeping the Goblin jizz shoes.
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The elves are in the right here, but they should die anyway because around elves, watch yourselves.
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>>157861366
This is why we have to exterminate all goblins.
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>>157861934
What chapter was that?
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>>157861366
You missed the elf loli going around raping her own mother and a bunch of girls. She literally turns into a demon girl.
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>>157862522
*demon king
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>>157862422
I dropped it around chapter 10ish so probably somewhere up to that point, but my memory's pretty hazy on it.

>>157862522
I dropped it on the chapter where she molests her mother the first time I think so yeah I probably missed all of that.
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>>157862574
Still there was a good ch even in that shitty story.
MC works part time as dungeon boss for a dungeon master when the hero comes. He literally rapes his ass and breaks it and steals the slave/healer from him.
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What's with all these Isekai complainers always having some skewed up logic and reasoning
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>>157862621
>literally rapes his ass and breaks it
A lot of people use the word literally in a figurative way, but given the story we're talking about I'm sure he really does literally rape his ass.
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>>157860706
Why, that is sheer nonsense! Are you going to tell me Iran doesn't actually have WMD's next?
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>>157860758
I didn't know there was a work in which both elves and the world around them have finally realized the true purpose of the elven race.
The author must be a true master of his craft.
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>>157862574
I'm reading it right now. Let's hope this isn't too degenerate...
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>>157863931
If by degenate you mean loli elf going around raping women and a perverted goblin working under her, it is.
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>>157864020
Yep. At chapter 8 right now. What the absolute fuck.
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>>157853393
Then we're bound to live on crimes, because you can't just buy every homeless guy bread.
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>>157860936
You should already know my answer; didn't you read the second part of my statement? If it's something the rich man can easily part with and he does not then he is morally reprehensible.
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>>157851154
>give me what i want
>"no"
>give me what i want
>"no"
>guess ill just take it regardless

people dont have to help you, its not a hard concept
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>>157851154
>someone with cancer comes up to you and tells you to cure his cancer or he'll shoot you in the head
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>>157863931
> Let's hope this isn't too degenerate.
I didn't drop it for being degenerate, I dropped it for being poorly written and the main character being obnoxious as fuck didn't help either.
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>>157864399
Yes they do, unless they're immoral scum fucks. Human life has intrinsic value, if you don't part with something that you can part with easily to preserve it then you're an immoral fuck that should be liberated from their property with force.
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>>157851154
They did the right thing. Fuck elves and elves apologists, if you don't collaborate with humans you get rekt.
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>>157864900
>i have a rare resource i cant replace easily

>some hobo down the road wants it because he needs it for medicine
>he thinks i need to give it to him


L2 NAP
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>>157864900
Nice logic, used to think like that way back then too.
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>>157864987
Can you fucking read you mongoloid? If you can part easily with it and it can save a human life then you have to. No excuses.
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>people are actually defending this garbage writing
>because elves
Can I take this to /tg/? Despite the memes they will see that the humans are in the wrong here.
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>>157865036
>Humans
>in the wrong
>against knife-eared treehuggers
>ever
They could literally only go wrong by not genociding them.
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>>157865033
>we dont have a lot of it

reading comprehention
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>>157865033
If that were true, then we wouldn't be charging $40,000 for medications.
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>>157864900
>Human life has intrinsic value, if you don't part with something that you can part with easily to preserve it then you're an immoral fuck that should be liberated from their property with force.

Then they should part with the princess to save the lives of the people who would fight in the war right?
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>>157865065
>But it can be replaced
whats your point?
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>>157865033
>That gif where a car run over a child in china and the next car just run over her again start playing.
Well I guess chinaman aren't human.
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>>157865058
>/v/ terms
>being butthurt about a fictional race
>thinking humans can only do good
>this black and white
This manga might be self-insert power-wankery garbage, but I don't see what shit you would end up writing.
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>>157865086
and? its still a rare and valuable resource that might prove necessary to the lives of the citizens of the country

why should they hand it over to some random foreign diplomat because "he needs it"
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>>157865119
You don't let someone die, just because someone else MIGHT need it. It's not like they wanted it for free or something. They refused out of outright racism and mistrust.
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>>157865117
I have written multiple stories on elves being killed in gruesome ways just because they're elves.
Fuck elves, guro is all they're good for.
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>>157865149
Are we talking about moral in fantasy world or the moral in real world?
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>>157865149
>mistrust.
of a foreign nation that then proved itself violent and selfish

>you dont let someone die, just because someone else MIGHT need it

which is why doctors work for free right? and why we should give everything we have to the 3rd world "because they need it"

if you want something but cant offer something of equivalent value in return you can eat shit - basic trade

>>157865178
hi virt, long time no see
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>>157865178
Seek help. You don't really hate elves, but something they represent in your life. This could help you overcome some of your personal problems. I mean there are reasons to dislike them, nobody needs to like them, but this obsessions sounds like you just have some mental problems, and they are the scapegoat, because a fictional race can't defend itself.

You are also biased as fuck and thus unfit for a reasonable discussion.
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>>157865178
Why would you hate elf?
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>>157865320
he sounds like Virtualoptim - a infamous faggot from /tg/

he has mental issues
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>>157865149
That's a pretty distorted logic. It IS a rare resource that someone from your nation might need it.
It's not something like you can give it around because you're being a moralist that wants to feel better about yourself. And what about other races? What if they need it too? How can you choose? Who will you pick?
You are not giving your home to some homeless man because he NEEDS it, I mean, your family might need your home, right?
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>>157851154
>Rou
>good guy
>Re:Monster
>not absolutely batshit retarded
/a/ plz, i know you have ever so slightly better taste then this, don't disappoint me more then usual.
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>>157865320
>Literally a race of traps every time they appear anywhere
>Always ancient, always without any achievement in the present
>Long-lived, still haven't learned the basics of not being a dick by the age of 200
>Vastly overestimate their military strength every damn time
>Always either mages or archers, no honest fighters to be found
>Don't even seem to do farming unless they're enslaved
And what's worst: They actually manage to have a feeling of superiority over all this

Not all of these points apply to every elf in every universe, but at some point you just gotta say that it's worth killing the good to be sure to get all the bad.
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>>157865363
i could have sworn we got that faggot permab& from the site, not just /tg/.
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>>157865524
so did i - but this bears his hallmarks

>>157865512
>what is LoTR/Warhammer/DnD
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>>157865401
This level of idiocy is astounding. Is your home something you can easily part with? It's not the same thing as a loaf of bread or some medicine. If it's something vital to your own life or somebody else's then it's ok to say no. But if it's something you can give away and not be affected in the slightest, then yeah you definitely should, human life is at least worth that much.

>>157865212
Besides retard, I wasn't saying to give it away for free, since it's a rare resource charge a sum you believe to be equal to the value of the item, and if it's a rare resource then its value will keep increasing.
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>>157865512
>>Always either mages or archers, no honest fighters to be found
Elves start proficient with swords. Great, now we are having /tg/ in this thread as well.
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>>157865568
>since it's a rare resource charge a sum you believe to be equal to the value of the item

and what if you believe they don't have enough money because you value it that highly/its that hard to replace?

>something you can easily part with
some homeless man needs your car for reasons, since it is "something you can easily part with" you should have no issue giving it to him surely?
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>>157865588
M8 we've always been here, we are probably about half of /a/'s population and its not even all of us, the rest of us are probably fucking off arguing about inane shit on other boards or on /tg/
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>>157851154
>we can't give it to the humans, please understand
>grrrrr these elves are so arrogant!
Are humans just this thin-skinned and easily triggered?
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>>157865566
>LoTR:
>Still being dicks
>Still no present achievement
>Still archers, they just also can manage to fight up close in case being a pussy didn't work out for them
>Still no farming
>Still traps

>Warhammer:
>Still being dicks
>Still no present achievement
>Still overestimating their military strength
>Still traps

>>157865588
>DnD:
Not gonna write arguments for every single elf race in every single setting, some points still apply.

Just admit that elves are useless as a species and should at the very least be enslaved.
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>>157865634
Are you fucking retarded? Is a car something you can easily part with? Seriously kill yourself, you mongoloid.
>>157865634
Yeah but that wasn't the case here, the elves refused because ''lol, fuck you, got mine'' not because the humans couldn't afford to pay the value of the item.
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>>157865647
And you usually keep /tg/ in /tg/ and /a/ in /a/. The thread can get way worse by bringing in the memes from other boards. I don't want to have to deal with HFY-faggotry in here or examine every single setting for your usual elf-hater.
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>>157865711
i know i was making a point in simply pointing that out, i'm not the one on the batshit elf hate rampage, thats some other idiot.
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>>157851154
Humans should honestly go fuck themselves
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>>157865681
>warhamer
>no present achievement
>overestimating military strength
if it wasnt for the elves the world would have been properly destroyed - its only thanks to them that the empire even lasted that long

and they still managed to almost save the world even after having a civil war involving the avatars of 3 different gods

>Still archers

except they are better also than humans in CQC

>still no farming

where do you think elven food comes from? magic?


>elves are useless as a species

they are literally humans+1 in most settings, with plot reasons for why they are rare
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>>157855985
>you're dying of baby tears because you wanted all three burgers
Such is life in the land of the Free
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>>157865700
>WE DONT HAVE MUCH OF SAID ELIXIR

is reading so hard for you? it flat out states that it is not something they could easily part with

>the elves refused because "fuck you got mine"
they refused because the elixir was too valuable to give away
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>>157865681
>>LoTR:
>>Still no present achievement
Do you have any idea what the narrative function of the elves even is in this setting?
>>Still being dicks
Is the Hobit movies the only thing you know about Tolkiens elves?
>>Still archers
Every read about Noldor marching to war?

>>Still no present achievement
HA! Try to compete with the high elves navy!
>>Still overestimating their military strength
What does this even mean? Sometimes they win, sometimes they lose, depending on what army book you read. Everyone gets BTFO in a while. Ask a Bretonnian-fag how much they are suffering.
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>>157865568
>Is your home something you can easily part with?
And why do you think an overpowered ultra rare all-cure medicine is something you can easily part with? What if they don't have the price I'm asking?
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>>157858122
>if you just gave some of your things to the mugger when he asked he you wouldnt have stabbed you

so what we learned is that robbers are in the right?
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>>157865792
How long are you going to keep this pretense up, we're told verbatim that besides the medicine being rare the elves are racist fucks. Now KYS.

>>157865840
1) I don't and if they can't then that's fine. As long as you aren't charging the price simply because you know they won't be able to afford it.
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>>157865568
>ut if it's something you can give away and not be affected in the slightest, then yeah you definitely should, human life is at least worth that much.
>easily giving away the strongest medicine in the world
>muh human race
Not even in our world we give medicines like that, at best we give some generic clone. People literally die because they can't afford medicines.
Also, the elves are not humans, what if another race, like, the cat-eared people also need it? Will you pick the humans because muh humans? Will you pick who can pay more?

If the former, you're just retarded, if the latter you're just as bad as everyone here.
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>>157865888
>we're told verbatim that besides the medicine being rare the elves are racist fucks

>being rare
which is why they cant give it

>look down on humans
>who then prove themselves violent savages who cant take "no"
seems pretty justified to me
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>>157865888
>the elves are racist fucks
That makes them even more sympathic. Humans are behaving like niggers anyway, seems they are justified.
>KYS
>>>/out/
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Bunch of commies.
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>>157865888
>don't and if they can't then that's fine
Then you're just being a prick. Considering these posts
>>157865149 >>157865119
You were just being full of yourself and calling the elves racists when you even agree that they had justified reasons.
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>>157865700
>Is a car something you can easily part with?

>can't part away with a common car
>can part away with a super rare medicine
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>>157865910
Hey dumbfuck, none said to part away with the ultra rare medicine for free. I said to give it a fair valuation and not abstain from selling it just because of racism.
>>157865922
It's heavily implied that the reason the elves won't part away with the medicine is not that the humans can't afford it, but because of racism.

The second part of your argument is the perfect manifestation of circular logic.

>be a tyrant that kills everyone who brings you bad news and anyone who lies to you
>followers have to lie to you to not be beheaded
>''See I knew they were filthy liars the fucks!''

>>157865969
They don't have a justified reason because it's heavily implied that the only reason they won't trade the medicine is that they're racist fucks. We're literally told that the elves look down on the humans and that the humans offered to pay the value of the medicine. They're literally not giving it away because of
>muh pure knife ear race

>>157866012
Who the fuck said you had to part away with the super rare medicine, charge its fair value, but don't refuse to give it just because you're a racist fuck.
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>>157851154
Not to defend Re:Shitter but that was just a pretense for conquest.
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>>157866043
>offered to pay the value of the medicine.
but they didnt - at least in that image, they just asked for it and were told "no"

>I think X is a violent savage
>as such dont trust him
>X proves himself a violent savage

its not so much circular logic as an originally unjustified premise, that was later justified by action
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>>157855647
Because the writing is bad.
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>>157852132
>It's not rape if you pump them full of date rape drugs 24/7 until their minds break!
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>>157866043
>fair price
Your fault here is thinking there are a fair price for it. You won't accept that the human race wouldn't be able to pay for it anyway.
Why exactly do you think something like that has a price? Or at least a price someone can pay for.
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>>157866050
This. There's no moral here, a princess dying is nothing to wage war for, humans just wanted a reason.
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>>157866123
>doesn't read the manga, argues about shit he doesn't understand.

Sasuga, Anon-kun.

>>157866240
Yes, yes I would. As long as the cost isn't arbitrarily set JUST so the humans wouldn't be able to afford it, then its fine.
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>>157866310
Your logic completely changed from
>not giving shit other people because you MIGHT need it
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>>157866139
Reminds me of those stanford prison experiments. After just 6 days in a new environment people blend into their roles.
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>>157866496
No, my logic has not changed. You're just retarded.
If you can give it away for free without detriment to oneself, do so, If its valuable charge a fair price to part with it. It's not complicated.
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>>157866552
>If you can give it away for free without detriment to oneself, do so, If its valuable charge a fair price to part with it. It's not complicated.

and what if you dont want to give it away? people are free to do as they wish with their property
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>>157866584
When people's lives are stake? No. The intrinsic value of human trumps that of personal freedom.
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>>157866637
why are you on the computer then? when you could have sold it and donated that money to charity - save lives y'know?
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>>157866637
Feed every starving nigger. Do it now.
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>>157851154
how the fuck does the guy not care for human lives and why doesn't he keep to his no raping female rules like before.
this manga is shit.
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>>157866680
Are you retarded? My computer is not something I can easily part with. Nor my house nor car, but if I had a piece of bread with me and someone was starving next to me, you'd bet I'd give to them.

>>157866680
>>157866700
It's like the concept of helping who you CAN help is so difficult to understand.
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>>157866734
>My computer is not something I can easily part with. Nor my house nor car
you can just buy new ones

just like they can make new medicine
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>>157866734
Our every day helping doesn't include giving away rare as fuck magical potions
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>>157866734
>who you CAN help
but you CAN help every nigger in Africa through donating to charity - you just choose not to because you value your possessions too much
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>>157866750
I can't and if I could easily replace those items, I'd just donate the money to charity instead of selling those items.

>>157866772
None said to give it away from you autistic fuck. Charge a fair price for it and if they can't afford it, then so be it. Unless you arbitrarily set the price JUST so they wouldn't be able to afford it.

>>157866779
There's a big fucking difference between helping a homeless guy who specifically asked for something insignificant from me and between seeking to act philanthropically on my own.

I am not deluded nor naive enough to think that I am sort of saint who will work at homeless shelters and soup kitchens for the sake of the less fortunate. But whenever the opportunity to do good makes itself apparent I also won't turn it down If I reasonably can. Use your goddamn common sense.
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>>157866920
>something insignifican
the homeless guy just asked for your car
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>>157866920
>and if they can't afford it, then so be it
Or kill the elves.
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>>157866971
Why do you need my car? Do you have enough money to pay for it? No? Ok, then fuck off.
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>>157866920
>if they can't afford it, then so be it
why would them being rich change the morality of it? its either okay to refuse to give it to them or not
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>>157867050
>morality is black and white.
Some prices can be paid, some prices cannot. That's the way of life. If you can do good, do it. If you can not do not. It's not complicated.
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>>157851154
>He reads RE:Monster.
>He reads a Chuuni Rape Fantasy.

>He doesn't even read it and is only there for the rape anyway.
>Ignores the fact that humans used it just as a cause to capture more elven slaves.

Fuck that. If i were to be born into that world with a shred of power i'd be working on destroying it.
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The problem I have with this is not whether the elves are dicks for not handing over the medicine or not.

It is the humans going to war for it.

How important is one princess that you are willing to go to war for her, setting off a chain of diplomatic explosions and killing hundreds of thousands of both your own people and others? Nobility and royalty are often sacrificial pieces in political games to keep things stable, not the damn opposite.

That sort of stuff happens in a more high-fantasy universe where chivalry is super important. But there are two problems with that. First, that situation usually involves a small group of heroes sneaking in to do the right thing without causing a huge upheaval, not armies trampling all over shit. Second, honor, chivalry and all that good stuff is literally not a part of this manga´s author´s vocabulary, and therefore a laughable motivation. Sure, there may be SOME people in that universe that care about these things, it´s just that we got saddled with the amoral shit that is our loveable MC... but the mood dissonance in that case is simply too much to ignore.

And note that this only works if you don´t apply nobility and chivalry to a princess. In any other setting, unless she was a spoiled brat, she would probably be quite willing to sacrifice herself to stop all the shit going down in Re:Monter.

Basically, fuck this manga.
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>>157853310
Don't make strawman arguments.

>Princes comes down with a dissease.
>Human kingdom can't cure her and freezes her.
>They ask elves if they have the cure.
>Elves say no.
>Human nobles use the excuse of ''elves lying about not having the cure'' to invade and enslave them.
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>>157867221
According to WN spoilers, the real reason for the war is not for the princess.
They required way more medicine than required to heal princess so that they could research it .
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>>157867331
*asked
And they wanted elves' land since it is full of rare herbs .
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>>157861729
It's not actually Chapter 31, it's apparently chapter 35 and that host is complete shit. Half the pages won't load. Also I don't think the translation is good even by low standards.
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>>157851154
Been a minute since I read the WN but this is what I remember
>Humans need cure for "a single person" but most likely it's because they need to stem a future plague and they have their patient 0 already.
>Try to negotiate with elves
>Elves despite not needing the drug at the time say no because they are assholes and bigots
>Humans realize Diplomacy has failed and launch a war they are much better suited for than the elves.
>Elves get shit stomped in until MC shows up with his Gary Stu powers to turn the tide
>At one point the elves give MC some potion even though he never asked and it's supposed to be "rare" or some shit.
>Later on in the story adventurers carry multiple bottles of the shit like it's a tier 1 healing item.

So in conclusion since this thread has devolved into bad arguments.

>Elves allowed their pride and bigotry to stop them from temporarily parting with an asset they didn't need at the time to a neighbor and potential ally. Their God literally supplies them with the stuff.
>Humans were trying to stop or are aware that, knowledge of how to synthesize that drug would be beneficial to them in the short and long run.
>MC showing up doesn't automatically make the humans the bad guys.

This whole story is written from the standpoint of the villains. I'm not saying the elves had to give up any potion, but the fact that they can just give the stuff to anyone who isn't a human without prompting, and the fact that it's a renewable resource makes it hard to defend their reasons for denying the humans aid in their time of need. Likewise the humans going to war isn't fully justified in the current manga but if I remember correctly they are trying to stop a future outbreak of a disease they won't be able to cure so they are far more in the right than the narrative will let on.

This series is so incompetently written that I don't know why discussions get this heated.
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>>157867661
Did the humasn tell the elves about the future plague? Because apparently elves acted under false assumptions.
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>>157867777
I don't know if it's just not stated, I'm mixiing the whole "future plague" thing up from another story, or if the author didn't mention it. I'd need to re-read the WN to find out but fuck that I'm not reading that garbage again.
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>>157867824>>157867661
As far as i know there was no plague.
They wanted
1)the potion both to heal the princess and to research it, so they asked for the elves to give more than they had
2)the land the elves are has a shitload of rare/magic herbs , things that humans country dont have a lot of.
The potion was later massproduced only thanks to MC. After MC drinks it his blood turns into the cureall elixir .
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>>157867661
>bigot
Why use words that you dont know the meaning of? Just use the all encompassing buzzword "racist" and stop trying to inflate your vocabulary
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>>157867895
>As far as i know there was no plague.
Yeah still not sure where I'm remembering that from.

>>157867895
>The potion was later massproduced only thanks to MC
And the irony is that I'm sure if the Elves had a need for, or if they humans had been allowed to, anyone else could have mass produced it as well.
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Re:Monster haters are even more retarded than Re:Monster lovers.
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>>157867895
>The potion was later massproduced only thanks to MC. After MC drinks it his blood turns into the cureall elixir.

What an exciting piece of literature.
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>>157853310
Nah, you're under no obligation to care about anyone's ass but your's, there's exactly zero reason to bother helping anyone ever if there's nothing in it for you, don't buy into spooks.
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>>157867661
>Try to negotiate with elves
I'm pretty sure the humans just came to the elves and asked for the elixir for free instead of trading it or something like that. Reason why they got butthurt when the elves said no.
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>>157868513
Who are you trying to kid?
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>>157856925
Doesn't fucking matter when if you look for it you'll drown in goblin isekai garbage.
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>>157868908
Based on what?

>>157868848
>You have no reason to care about anyone but yourself
>Wooooooow why are these humans attacking us how selfish
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>>157869463
>what is NAP
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>>157864900
Nope, I don't have to help you.
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>>157859960
I read this chapter and the translation was garbage
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>>157869463
It wouldn't be selfish if all these humans killed themselves for the sake of a princess without killing anyone else in the process. But nah, gotta suffer for that foreign brat because she's royal.
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>>157866637
You're just forcing your moralists view on others, you're not doing it out of free will or because it's the right thing to do, you're just doing it to look down on others.
You're no better than someone who soesn't want to give his "something" because he doesn't want to.

>>157866734
>My computer is not something I can easily part with.
Oh Jesus Christ kek.
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>>157866734
>my logic is right, you're all just racists
>my logic doesn't apply to me tho
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>>157869563
>Be selfish in the first place
>complain humans are selfish in return

Really activates those soy sauce glands.
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>>157869729
>Oh Jesus Christ kek.
You know, aside from the obvious entertainment and time-wasting value, the computer is a necessary tool for any productive adult today even if you don't specifically work with it. That's a pretty dumb thing to mock, grandpa.
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>>157869777
You have the right to be selfish regarding your own property. You have no right to be selfish with the property of other people.
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>>157867127
At that point, that's just doing the same thing the elves did.
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>>157867661
>not giving your shit to others for free makes you a bigotry bad guy
>you also get instant reason to raid and war the other guy
Good to know.
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>>157869463
>>You have no reason to care about anyone but yourself
>>Wooooooow why are these humans attacking us how selfish
That is honestly just enough proof.
Waging war because miss pretty face is sick or you just wanted the resources jist makes it even more of a reason to only care about you.

>helps
>get raided anyway
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>>157864900
>>157866734
>a computer
Great logic you immoral fuck.
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>>157870491
>not giving your shit to others for free makes you a bigotry bad guy
Shitting on multiple races and looking down on them simply because you believe your hot shit, and denying aid for no reason other than you don't feel like it and the previous reasons of hating most other races makes you a "bigotry bad guy".

Give me one good reason why the elves shouldn't have given up one vial of potion to help out one human which would have immediately benefited both sides and as were shown benefited everyone even further down the line?

And nobody is treating it is at the humans are completely good in this situation. But the elves definitely can't take anything resembling the moral high ground.
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>>157869800
Any working adult can buy another computer kiddo. You can easily part with it. It's amazing how someone should part with their rarest medicine but some anon can't part with their 98 windows because reasons.

>>157869777
I never knew "no" means "I'm selfish". Grow up and learn how to take a no, people have no reason to give you their shit only because you feel entitled to it.
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>>157870728
>Give me one good reason why the elves shouldn't have given up one vial of potion to help out one human
because they dont have much you retard

its a RARE COMMODITY
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>>157870728
Simple reason: because it's theirs. I'm 200% mad and about to wage war against a rich dude because he looks down on me and doesn't want to give me his yatch.
Spoiler anons even said already that the humans planned to wage war anyway.
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>>157870780
>its a RARE COMMODITY
It's so rare they just give it to a guy, who never asked for it, casually.

>>157870806
>Simple reason: because it's theirs.
All right. Now let's go from this angle and ignore the fact that the humans already wanted to go to war because there's been a couple of people posting what's supposed to happen and I'm not sure which one is accurate. What do the elves stand to lose and what do they stand to gain from this initial meeting?

They lose a fraction of a renewable resource temporarily. They get more potion. They gain a potential ally and a favor from this other kingdom. And don't pretend they didn't give the potion because of its Rarity, they don't use it Nor do they need it.

So looking at Just this initial negotiation the elves come across as having no 'good' reason to deny it other than being assholes. The operative word being good because it was only because they don't like other races.

So unless you tell me that the elves knew the humans were going to invade regardless from the beginning. The only real reason is "because fuck those guys I don't have to share one potion for one noblewoman".
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>>157868578
Why the fuck are people still reading RE:Monster?
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>>157871352
>It's so rare they just give it to a guy
who also apparently saved them -so theres that
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>>157862753
I just read that chapter. To elaborate, he shoves a foot long, splintered wooden rod up his arse. I'm really enjoying gob tensei more than I thought I would.
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>>157864900
This retarded hypocritical viewpoint is why no one wants to associate with you SJW
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What's the appropriate marty stu term for protags like RE:Monster?
Jerk Stu?
Villain Stu?
Blackhole Stu?
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>>157860460
>Everything that happens is because of the honkey/elves
Racism is evolved autism I see.
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>>157871352
>They lose a fraction of a renewable resource temporarily. They get more potion. They gain a potential ally and a favor from this other kingdom. And don't pretend they didn't give the potion because of its Rarity, they don't use it Nor do they need it.
This is speculation and thia diplomatic point of view needs basis, like a base trust to achieve that.
Clearly not the case here, since there's no proof the humans would ever cooperate and they already had no trust from the elves from the beginning.
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>>157871352
>>157871538
Lets be honest, the whole reason for this immensely retarded conflict exists in the first place is to glorify the MC and give them a reason to pretend they're the hero, fuck if it makes sense or not, because it doesn't.

>Humans only needed enough for one person and the elves wouldn't because "they didn't have much and can't spare any."
>Give a barrel of the stuff after all this shit to gary stu because he's the protagonist and saved them from a situation they could have easily avoided in the first place but had to be lying kikes about it. I guess they didn't need it after all and it's not that rare after all if they're giving a big barrel of the shit to someone who both doesn't need it and didn't ask for it, why not.
>"WE DON'T HAVE MUCH AND CAN'T SPARE ANY"
>GIVES A BARREL OF THE STUFF TO GARY STU
>DOESN'T NEED IT AT ALL
>DIDN'T ASK FOR IT

It's heavily implied the humans don't have the means to reproduce the medicine because the kikes are sitting on the patent... I mean, the elves are probably parked over the one location in their world that has the plants or whatever to make it, see >>157859133

-Giving the humans the medicine means they fuck off at least until some other rich asshole is dying of their "only they have the medicine for it" plague, they could follow that up with giving them the recipe or whatever so they could reproduce it themselves then they never need to show up on their doorstep to bother them for their super special not-actually-rare elixir, this is of course ignoring the "HUMANS WANTED WAR TO ENSLAVE ELVES" theory someone brought up HALFWAY INTO THE THREAD to completely miss the point.

-The "FEED ALL NIGGERS/GIVE THEM YOUR EXPENSIVE THING" strawman doesn't work for several reasons because you're replacing humans with niggers and you have what >>157860460 was implying, it's a shit comparison.
Mind you I mean specifically niggers & not "civilized dark skinned humans."
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>>157874307
The barrel isnt the secret elixir, it is simple potions. And while later they do give the potion to MC it is only a vial as a reward for saving them.
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>>157874307
>recipe or whatever so they could reproduce it themselves then they never need to show up on their doorstep to bother them for their super special not-actually-rare elixir
This slippery slopw only means that the humans at a certain point then would just attack anyway to put their hands on the resources, or as you put it
>I mean, the elves are probably parked over the one location in their world that has the plants or whatever to make it,
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>>157866139
eh people can change drastically to survive. Even mental states.
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Human is literally "Give him an inch and he will take a yard" in every isekai story with human as the villain.
Elf is literally racist for every isekai story.
The one who is always bro is dwarf and beastman.
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>>157874740
>trusting mountain jews
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>>157874765
Elf propaganda
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>>157874488
>And while later they do give the potion to MC it is only a vial as a reward for saving them.
Is that the case? Mind sharing a picture so everyone shuts up about the barrel then as the evidence for otherwise? Seems a lot of this debate is composed of flimsy half-truths if that's the case, although the "elixir blood" thing is immensely retarded. It's like being given the one of a kind mcguffin legendary sword composed of a legendary meteor that only hits the planet once every 10000 years, now suddenly because you're the MC you have the ability to reproduce endless amounts of them.

>>157874523
Fictional scenario; but if someone deliberately block off the only place you can get food or water on the planet, it'd be really stupid to be surprised when that pisses someone off when they tell them to fuck off with no negotiations. That's kikery 101 with patents and the like, and I see little difference between the two.
If the materials would only grow there, why? Wouldn't it be in both sides best interests to reproduce the medicine as much as possible? Granted this is fantasy so I'll give the "benefit of the doubt" that even if this was a thing it would be the "only location it would grow 'just because,'" Which makes the fact the gary stu can just turn his turn blood into elixir even more retarded when you take the conflict into account because that just dissolves the entire point of the war in the first place.
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>>157854151
Sounds like 85% of recent manga and novels
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>Both sides of this debate
So I take it this manga is shit?
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>>157875045
One of the worst sort of wish fulfillment, power fantasy stories to get a manga adaptation in a while.
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>>157875092
If one were to compare it to SAO for its level of shittiness, how bad is it?

Is it half a Kirito?
3 Kiritos?
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>>157875170
I've managed to remain ignorant of everything related to SAO except for 2 years of Glopping. So I can't say. It's pretty shit though.
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>>157875170
You can still enjoy SAO for its romance, but you can't enjoy anything with this one. It's literally dumber than worst anime you can think of except Mahou Sensou.
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>>157875045
Both sides of the debate seem to unanimously agree the MC is a gary stu at the least, that's rarely agreed on.
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>>157875000
Well, it IS a shit series with shit writing thay about 120% of the anons ITT hate. We're just discussing the morals behind this part.
The rest is just as you said, a shitty way to make the MC the good guy again and create plot devices that the MC can easily circunvent because of his Stu powers.
Also, that barrel is just booze, the elixir is in the vial that they give the MC later.
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>>157875000
>Wouldn't it be in both sides best interests to reproduce the medicine as much as possible?
You know thia barely happens even here. We have laws and regulations for patents and all shit to prevent this shit fest, but we can't just assume is the same there.
We can't even assume that the humans really want to share.
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>>157875795
>We can't even assume that the humans really want to share.
Well the mass production has less to do with sharing and would be more a product of humans and elves establishing trade. Elves apparently have no strong need to use this potion so it can remain a rare commodity. But if there were a need for more, and they or the other group had the desire too, we know it can be mass produced.

Having humans start demanding this cure-all for both the disease it treats, and other effect would increase demand and jumpstart research that the elves have never had to do. Honestly with how elves are presented and their general stereotypes, they were just too lazy to realize they could make more if they wanted instead of treating it like mana from heaven.
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>>157874896
>Tolkien propaganda
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>People actually saying the Elves are "just being racist"
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>>157875045
>>157875170
Both sides agree it's shit, so you can take it frok there.
SAO is great if compared to it.
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>>157875969
>instead of treating it like mana from heaven
It literally is.
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>>157874740
Except in Overlord where lizards are the only sane ones.
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>>157875969
Well, the shit writing doesn't help, so they don't specify if the elves don't have more because they have no interest, or if they don't have more because they can't. I think the only thing that is said is
>it takes hundreds of years to produce
But even that I'm not sure.
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>>157851154
Reminds me of this fucking bullshit.
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>>157876265
>It literally is.
If it can be found readily in the environment and/or synthesized with moderate ease, its status as rare was inflated or exaggrated a bit.
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>>157851154
I fucking hate elves and any other mythical creatures or aliens that follows this "We're totally better than humans but we refuse to share or help others. We're just better, deal with it" cliché.
Especially when the author expects us to side with the elves and be against the humans even though the elves are being arrogant assholes who could easily fix things if they gave a fuck.
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>>157876564
And why should they help a race that regularly kidnaps their people to use as combat/rape slaves?
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>>157853310
No, but in this case the humans are justified in attacking the elves as they are obliged to protect their people by any means necessary. Neither party is in the wrong but both had a chance to avoid war.
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>>157876672
That didn't start until after the war.
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>>157876383
It's funny because they are right. Norman Osborn found the cure for Cancer himself and weaponized it to kill Deadpool.
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>>157853576
It's more of an issue of elves being idiots than elves being bad. The elves aren't obliged to do anything for humans but as they aren't in conflict (that we know of) then selling the cure is just good diplomacy and possibly good economics.
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>>157876774
>their people
It's just some one princess.
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>>157876819
How does one use the cure to cancer as a weapon?
And really? Because smoking is legal in Western countries, that means nobody cares about curing cancer? What kind of logic is that?
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>>157876774
the humans are completely in the wrong
they started a war because one person was sick
it's not like the elves made her sick or had any responsibility to help her
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>>157876882
>How does one use the cure to cancer as a weapon?
Allow me to rephrase that. How does one use the cure to cancer as a weapon against anyone other than Deadpool? I doubt Wakandans care about Deadpool anyway, so that's probably not what they had in mind.
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>>157876829
There are good reasons to keep the monopoly on these kind of things as well.
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>>157876774
>obliged to protect their people
>their people
One cunt shouldn't be their people
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>>157876882
Honestly, comic logic aside, cancer is never gonna get cured because it is a multi-million industry. It's not worth curing it because of all the profit that would be lost.
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>>157876998
Oh fuck you and your conspiracy bullshit. Nobody is going to actually supress the cure to cancer because powerful rich people can die of cancer too.
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>>157877046
>because powerful rich people can die of cancer too.
they're just gonna keep it a secret for the rich people
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>>157876934
Cancer is a normal function run amok. If you can stall abnormal cell replication then what stops you from stopping abnormal cell replication.
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>>157876882
Deadpool has cancer. He also has a healing factor that returns him to a set state in balance with said cancer. If I had to guess(I didn't read the story anon is referencing) curing his cancer could send his healing factor into overdrive and exhaust him cells or turn him into a big tumor or something. Thats how he tricked the skrulls anyways when he offered to let them make super skrulls of him.
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>>157876954
Only if you intend to make a profit out of said monopoly, which is what a pharmaceutical company would do. But by not selling their product, not only are they missing out on massive profits, the humans decided to resort to war to get the product since they can't get it by any other means.
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>>157877102
Who cares? There are much cheaper ways of killing people, like all the already existing chemical weapons and poisons, guns, missiles, drones, etc.
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>>157877088
That would be impossible, you can't keep something that big a secret for long.
Really, you overestimate how much profit companies make from cancer. Plus, if a guy dies of cancer, that means that he will never buy any medications or treatments for all the other diseases he'd end up having later in life.
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>>157876856
>>157876913
>>157876971
....oh right. Forgot about that.

In this case it depends if the princess has siblings. An end to the royal line often means a dynastic dispute which in turn means civil war.

No, it's not a very good excuse but it's enough for Casus Beli
>>157876954
Which means jack shit if you never sell it.
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>>157876564
What obliges a completely different species to give one iota of a fuck about anyone else? There's no reason for them to help anything or anyone but themselves unless they benefit from it. No, but muh morals isn't a good enough reason, muh morals got Europe infested with suicidal sandniggers and turned Sweden into a shithole.
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>>157876809
But that's wrong.
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>>157877242
Fuck off back to /pol/
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>>157877088
Except health insurance.

Health insurance companies pay for the health care and the insurance companies have a vested interest in keeping people alive and healthy. The rich don't need health insurance since they can pay out of pocket so it makes more sense for the insurance companies sell cancer cures to the middle and lower class.
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>>157877234
Profit is not all, especially for standard cliche elves that usually don't like money that much. These potions seem to be powerful and can be used for research. The elves might fear that the humans become stronger through it. It's basically like handing out free technologies to your enemy.

Sorry for bringing more /tg/ into this, but this little story illustrates pretty good that from the elves perspective it's not always a good idea to tell other races, especially humans, everything and give them every little toy.
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>>157877088
This, what the middle/lower class will receive instead is "treatments."
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>>157877371
That just tells me that elves are insane.

>Leave literal planet killers lying around unprotected.
>Do nothing when another race encroaches on your territory, a holy place at that, and sets up shop.
>Only act once they've set up a strong foothold and are literally right on the doorsteps of the weapons you left.
>Because of one guys dickishness and ignorange you doom the entire race and wage a bloody war to wipe every man, woman, and child off the planet.
>Then you proceed to destroy the entire planet anyways after you succeed .
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>>157878204
Eldar are constantly finding forgotten shit everywhere, as much as the humans do from their past ages. But yes, Eldar are insane, welcome to wh40k.
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Are all the threads gonna be like this once the anime is announced? :'(
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>>157876564
I really hope you are as autruistic as you are making yourself to be.
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>>157876564
This sounds a lot like /pol/'s discussion about refugees.
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>>157876774
>attacking, using agression and force against anyone is justified
It's never justified. It can be a reason, and you have to deal with it, but it's never justified.
Let's even forget that they did it because of one (1) person, not their race.
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>>157854151
I basically dropped it when he started drugging the captives to have sex with them. That was about the limit for me.
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>>157880763
Quick, someone is punching you. What do you do? Do you run away? They might be faster than you. Do you call the cops? That's just having aomeone else do violence on your behalf. Do you try to talk it out? What if the person doesn't want to listen? Do you just let him hit you until he's satisfied?
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>>157881495
were the elves punching them?
no
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>>157881544
This shit manga isn't clever or good enough to be worth this discussion, I was just throwing out a scenario where violence is justified because violence and force can be easily justified. Even full scale war can be justified.
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>>157853238
Close enough
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>>157881495
>>157881702
That's a loaded questiong, because here we're changing and using "defense" as "violence", but you wouldn't need to use that "violence" first if someone else didn't used a more agressive "violence" against you first.
War is even less justified, because you are using a "race" as a reason for "violence".
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>>157853310
yeah, it does.
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>>157853576
Actually, wars have almost always been fought for resources someone needs. It totally is okay, and once you have it you claim right of conquest. If you lose well you're fucked.
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Fucking knife-eared cunts ought to die.
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>>157884002
>knife ear
>>>/v/
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>>157864399
Elves are not people elves are animals. Do you ask the cow "ohhh can i take your meat cow?" no. Same should be done with elves.
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>>157884306
Go back to /v/ or /tg/ already, this shit got old ten years ago and it's not any fresher now.
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>>157884521
Another one seduced by elven lies.
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>>157866139
You forgot the most important part.
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