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ITT: Directors that are better than Anno

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>>157845890
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Ikuhara
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>>157846110
>>>/tv/
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Please, stop posting pictures of my wife.
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>>157845890
>Shinkai's cockslave
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>>157846365
Why didn't you protect that smile, /a/?
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who is this literally who
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>>157845951
Blind people are not allowed to post screencaps on /a/.
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>>157845890
>Anno: regarded as one of the most talented directors of all time who've even worked outside of the anime medium
>Yamada: spam blurs everywhere in attempt to mimic real film + the support of her /a/ fanboys = still fails
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What's funny about Yamada's piss poor direction is that kyoanus fags complain when Shaft does headtilts but their precious director spams leg shots.
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>>157848117
Weren't the shots of legs mostly to represent Ishida constantly looking down? A lot of the movie followed his gaze.
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>>157848117
Why are you mentioning Shaft?
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>>157848245
Insecurity because Yamada blows their directors out of the water.
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>>157848344
but Kizu > Koe
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>>157848117
>Only Kyoanusfags dare to criticize muh Shafy

You wish.
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>>157848117
Both are hacks who never go outside their comfort zones.

Their nuanced and unique style is now just stale, boring and lazy.
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>>157848913
Nice reductive reading comprehension.

Let me spoonfeed it for you. Shaft is known for continuously head tilts which are "tired" gimmicks. Yet Yamada has leg shots for no reasons as well because of "style."

Therefore the reasoning behind my statement is Yamada's leg shots are analogous to a shaft head tilt gimmick.
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>>157848177
She does leg shots a lot in her other work as well. It's definitely one of her "things".
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>>157849078
Oh, Koe no Katachi was the first movie of hers I'd seen. I think it worked well in that movie though.
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>>157849062
She has a purpose for her legs shots. The head tilts in Shaft works are basically because Shinbo tells them to add them in.
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>>157849186
>sakugablog
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>>157845890
Yamada is my waifu.
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>any director
>better than Anno
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>>157845890
>his favorite director haven't even met face-to-face with Miyazaki
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QUEEN
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>>157849956
Cutest anime director by far
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>>157849956
Why does she look like a mushroom?
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>>157850079
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>>157850079
WW2 wasnt kind to her
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Matsumoto > Yamamoto > Yamada
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>>157845890
Shinkai dicks her daily
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>>157845890
Kek Delusional
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I can't believe /a/ is defending this cunt now
Fuck this place
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>"directors" who can't animate
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>>157851837
Only KyoAnus lickers are
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>>157851837
>now
We've always loved her
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>>157851887
>KyoAni employee
>used to work as in-betweener
>then was promoted to key animation
>then to episode director
>KYOANI FUCKING EMPLOYEE

>can't animate
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This woman is legitimately the only woman I respect in the whole manga and anime industry. Nice pick, OP.
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>>157849956
How can anyone hate a director so cute, sweet, sincere and empathetic?
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>woman
>good directors
pick one
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>>157852019
>we
Fuck off.
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>>157850017
>3D
>cute
This is the current state of /a/.
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>>157852114
How many do you know? Two?
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>>157852212
Chill, femanon. Women can make good stories and can direct anime, don't worry, don't stop dreaming.
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>>157852262
>I'm ignorant and proud of it
Chill, redditor.
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>>157852114
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting
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>>157852212
>>157852360
Okay, I'll bite.
Name a better woman in the industry. Go ahead, I'll give you 10 hours to come up with a decent reply.
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>>157852189
At least she dont look like a dirty fujo or fat smellly otaku.
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>>157851837

See this is why you should stay on /v/ to flight against feminism or whatever you guys do now.
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>>157845890
A better hack than anno
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>>157852618
>Name a better woman in the industry.
Umino Chika, and that's just from memory. I'll give you she's the most famous along with Mari Okada, but far from being the best in the entire industry.
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>>157852618
>Yoko Kanno
>Rumiko Takahashi
>Kajiura Yuki
>CLAMP
there you go you fucking faggot
/thread
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>>157852908
>saying /thread on your own post
That's not how it works, you faggot. Also
>clamp
Wew, fujos are not even trying to be subtle anymore.
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>>157852888
>>157852908
I fucking knew it was bait. God damn it.
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>>157853110
>implying you know any of these people
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>>157852908
None of those are directors.
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>>157845890
>Directors that are better than Anno

/thread
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>>157852908
Yoko Kanno and Kajiura, together with Sawano are the holy trinity of hack composers. Just listen to one song composed by them and you've heard the rest. Literally.
Rumiko Takahashi and CLAMP are both old school fujoshi who got popular for making mediocre romcoms. Both have written a shitton of manga, and yet only one of their titles was good, Maison Ikokku and CCS. That's just sad.
>>157853239
>script writer for a bunch of subpar LN adaptations and Hanasaku and Canaan
>on par with Yamada

>mangaka who did H&C
The manga was good, though.
But still, you can't compare a mangaka with one good title on her to Yamada, it's not even fair for Umino.
Again, stop baiting.
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Kek I just found this interview on a website claiming she was kicking Miyazaki's ass
http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/34979/1/meeting-one-of-the-youngest-female-directors-in-anime
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@157853649
Not even worth a (You). Just kill yourself.
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>posts bait
>gets called out
>LOL NO (U) FOR U
Shouldn't you be posting in one of the hottest console wars threads on /v/?
Your stupid posts don't really work here.
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>>157853976
Seriously, what a faggot.
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>>157853976
>Has no argument
>Y-you are just not worth my time


Nice comeback anon.
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>>157846454
Because fake lens and film effects make a movie worse.
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>>157853649
Keiichi Okabe is the true musical genius of the current Japanese generation
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>>157854147

>thinks console wars threads are any worse than studio wars threads

You poor dear. Autism isn't something you can take a pill for.
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>>157845890
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>>157855004

>Posts on /a/
>Not autistic

Choose one.
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>>157848344
Explain how.
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>>157849186
How about the blur and chromatic aberration abuse?
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>>157853706
>the first results from googling "naoko yamada miyazaki"

Were you so triggered by the anon above enough to google that?
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>>157845890
Chuck Jones.
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>>157852663

dam this nigga be like five years out o date
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>>157853649
>Yoko Kanno
>Just listen to one song composed by them and you've heard the rest.

I can tell you have never listened to a single Kanno soundtrack in your 15-year-old life.
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Well, these are stupid arguments. Rather than attacking directors for being shit by nature somehow (They're not), why not discuss their individual weaknesses and how elements of their work can be counterproductive or lacking?

Relevant modern anime film directors off the top of my head:

>Anno
>++ Master of framing
>++ Strong sense of pacing and time
>= Fetish for postmodern pastiche, finds alternative venues for conveying narrative (i.e. captions)
>- Writes his own scripts
>- Easily distracted by Godzilla shaped objects

>Miyazaki
>+++ Arguably the greatest storyboard artist anime has ever seen, fantastic animator
>++ Strong sense of scene construction and composition
>++ Girthy budgets, talented staff
>-- Hasn't innovated anything since Cagliostro, all his movies sort of look the same
>-- Homogeneous, stifles the creativity of his underlings.

>Takahata
>++ Endlessly versatile, endlessly creative, willing to tackle strange subject matter
>++ Encourages and makes the most of his sub-directors and key animators
>- Somewhat subpar character animation
>-- Hasn't stuck to any one style long enough to refine or master it

>Oishi(Shinbou)
>++ Gorgeous set-designer
>++ Boundlessly creative animator
>= Loves extremely limited palettes and Ozu-esque shot framing
>= Fan of lots and lots of dialogue
>--- Terrible at pacing.

>Yamada
>+++ Phenomenal character animation, some of the best in the industry.
>+ Good composition
>= Major Cinephile
>- Little thought placed into the application of cinematic techniques
>-- Low variation and versatility.

>Hosoda
>++ Strong character and fight animation, very emotive
>+ Pretty good editor
>= Net-Kei
>= Low detail and lighting
>- Generic cinematography
>----------- Furry

>Shinkai
>+++ IMO the best cinematographer working in anime today
>++ Fantastic editor
>++ Lover of visual storytelling, leitmotifs and metaphors
>= 5 wallpapers/second
>--- absolutely garbage animator (compensated somewhat in Kimi no na wa, with Ando's help)
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>>157858811
Whoa!
Those hot opinions sure changed my mind, thanks fellow redditor.
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>>157847110
>>157846365
Even Shinkai admits that Yamada is the superior choice.
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>>157849345
What is that screenshot from?
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>>157858944
Why don't you contest something, or discuss something, instead of shitposting?

>>>/leddit/

>>157859035
Wind rises documentary, I think.
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>>157858951
He didn't say it was better than his though.

Even Richard Attenborough said Steven Spielberg's ET was better than his Gandhi after Gandhi won the Oscar.
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>>157858811
>Writes his own scripts as a minus

what's bad about that?
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>>157854948
t h i s
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Yamada is the best right now. Shinkai is a close 2nd because of that Keit-Ai movie.
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>>157849956
My wife
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>>157846017
Anno pls
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>>157860781
Anno is godawful at writing.
His best works are the ones where he just stuck to directing.
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>>157845890
You have to give to Anno at the very least the message of the original anime and the parallels it drew with society are still very relevant to this day.
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>>157858811
>- Easily distracted by Godzilla shaped objects
I raughed
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>>157863821
Which is why His And Her Circumstances dropped sharply in quality when Anno was kicked off the project for the liberties he had taken with the source material.
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>>157851837
How new are you? We love her.
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>>157864999
If you had actually read the manga then you'd know Anno followed it to a T
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>>157845890
She's cute. Did she married yet?
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>>157865720
Yes
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>>157865756
Who's the lucky girl?
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>>157858811
>Shinkai
>+++ IMO the best cinematographer working in anime today
>++ Lover of visual storytelling, leitmotifs and metaphors
I think he's one of the worst cinematographers and visual storytellers in mainstream anime history. His films are literally just pretty pictures + obnoxious faux-poetic narration 3/4 of the time. Everything about his shot composition is superfluous and not done with actual purpose behind every shot. The only good things about his films are the montage editing and background art
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>>157866377
She married a man
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>>157866926
Now that's just silly.
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How many movies have you seen from the last 7 years?
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>>157867068
Here you go
https://pastebin.com/St2deEGV
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ShinOonuma.
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>>157866926
I don't believe it
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>>157867271
astoundingly shitty taste
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>>157867068
Who are you? Why do you keep asking? Why do you care?
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>>157867271
Great taste but I hope Boruto is there as a joke.
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>>157867271
Kill yourself/10
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>>157867068
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>>157867271

Good score for Madoka but hot damn you have absolute shit taste if you think Koe no Katachi is 10/10
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>>157869402
Thanks for making me laugh again.
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>>157845890
Being better than Anno doesn't mean anything. He's not relevant. He is a talentless hack. He made ONE work people care about, and even then only low powerlevel normalfags like it.
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>>157869603
>He made ONE work people care about,
I think you should watch more anime.
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>>157869480
What's so funny?
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>>157869459
This. Koe no Katachi is easily a 13/10.
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>>157845890
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>>157847569
>Anno: takes something old and puts his name on it
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>>157845890
Tomino.
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>>157872590
That's not an anime director, that's a visionary.
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Shinbo, bitches.
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>>157874778
>that guy who has only directed commercials in the last 99 years
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Karekano eps when Anno directed is still the my favourite anime in term of cinematography. Bakemonogatari comes as the second.
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>>157868463
Boruto was better and more artistically daring than Wolf Children, Your Name and The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya and there's nothing you can do about it
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>>157875689
Shouldn't you be busy posting cinegrids somewhere
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>>157867271
JOEY
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Yamada is a very mediocre director but still better than Annus
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>>157877691
>Yamada is a very mediocre director
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>>157877691
>Annus
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>>157866926
Is that even possible?
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>>157877774
Smearing everything in bloom and chromatic aberration=/=good direction.
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>>157877691
>Yamada is a very mediocre director
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>>157871171
That could be applied to Yamada's case. Except she fails.
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>>157878465
(You) heard the man.

At least Shinbo and Takeyama's productions don't look like the camera lens is fogging up half the time. And are much more pleasing to the eye.
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>>157878465
Is Yuasa the only competition for the Goddess?
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>>157878640
Yes, unless Hosoda redeems himself in 2018.
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>>157878394
You sound like you know what you're talking about.
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>>157853649
>Maison Ikokku
>Good
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/a/ taste is the worst
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>>157878972
Hack wishes he were half as good as Spielberg.
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>>157878993
Glad you noticed.
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>>157851837
And you wonder why kyofags are really a cancer
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>ctrl+f kon no entries
i hope some of you f/a/gs have posted a pic of him, i wont scroll through this shitfest of a thread
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>>157852114
Rie Matsumoto has like 10 times the talent of this useless skank.
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>>157880799
Everything she's done has been underwhelming so far, so no.
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>>157880799
She still needs to make something great
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>>157880910
Her talent as a director already shines through what she has done.
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>>157881290
If you say so.
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>>157878640
Yes

>How did you maintain the concept of Shouya and Shouko sharing similar elements as people living while burdened with a sin?
>I applied a concept I saw within the Critical Resemblance House in Yoro Park, which appears in the second half of the film, to their relationship. There’s a term in math called a “limit” used to describe values that are not equal but are similar as they approach infinity. I thought about using that as a foothold to approach Shouya and Shouko. When you’re creating something, you always get entangled with all sorts of concepts and points; in my case, there have been many times where I’ve drawn inspiration from math and physics concepts.
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>>157882571
>I’ve drawn inspiration from math and physics concepts
Holy shit no wonder brainlets hate her.
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>>157882571
That's pretty interesting.
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>>157858811
That's actually quite sensible Anon.
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I watch anime for more than ten years and still can't bring myself to care about directors and VAs and shit. Only authors pique/decrease my interest in any media. Is that bad?
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>>157851837
Headtilts, glassy futuristic architecture, large rooms, Ikuhara-style framing, bold primary color-based pallette
>HACK, PRETENTIOUS SHIT, LE COMFORT ZONE

Flat, sketchy style; '70s throwback/Western homages
>MUH WESTERN REDDIT/TUMBLR/whatever is our current bogeyman PANDERING

Leg shots, fake "shaky cam", heavy blur/chromatic aberration use
>MUH PURE KINO, KINOANI FINDS A WAY, HOW CAN ANYONE ELSE COMPETE

Why is this allowed?
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>>157866857
>His films are literally just pretty pictures + obnoxious faux-poetic narration 3/4 of the time.
Same could be said for Ozu. Or Bergman. Or Woody Allen. There's nothing wrong with that particular style, and it's not ever very prominent in Shinkai's case, aside from 5cm/s

>Everything about his shot composition is superfluous and not done with actual purpose behind every shot.
I wholeheartedly disagree. The man has lots of issues but excels at using visual leitmotifs and metaphors and interesting parallels.

>>157864975
I swear he just wants to quit Eva forever and just do Toku.
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>>157885327
Drones.
Honesly KnK was so bad that it made me revaluate negatively all Yamada's past production, and now whenever I see it in some guy's Best of the Decade list I immediately disregard his opinions.
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>>157885327
Since when did Shinbou or Oishi use a whole lot of primaries? Their whole schtick in Bake and Kizu were soft pastels and complementary shades.
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>>157852618
Yamamoto https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8zE_k58NZ8
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OFFICIAL /a/ APPROVED DIRECTOR POWER RANKINGS
Masaaki Yuasa
Mamoru Oshii
Noboru Ishiguro
Kazuhiro Furuhashi
Hideaki Anno
Rintaro
Leiji Matsumoto
Osamu Dezaki
Mitsuo Iso
Yasuhiro Imagawa
Shinichiro Watanabe
Junji Nishimura
Yoshiyuki Tomino
Makoto Shinkai
Satashi Kon
Isao Takahata
Katsuhiro Otomo
Hayao Miyazaki
Yamakan
Kazuya Tsurumaki
Mamoru Hosoda
Katsushi Sakurabi
Akiyuki Shinbo

Everyone agreed, don't bother them about it
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>>157885327
Because it's true, you fucking pleb.
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>>157885327
>Shaft/not Shinbo
Headtilts gimmick, awful composition, wooden character acting, dumbed down Shinbo style with no understanding of effective color schemes or proper staging, incessantly pretentious anime screenplay, awful ironic tone, anti-art

>Trigger/Imaishi
Retarded flat staging, inconsistent "ironic" animation, uses references as a substitute for substance, no visual storytelling whatsoever,

>Yamada
Masterful display of feminist cubism, innovative use of staging, detailed character acting, sophisticated use of postprocessing techniques, breaking new grounds in realist film form, meticulous sound direction
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>>157886160
I wouldn't put anyone on top like that, it's pretty stupid.

In the end they've all made good and bad projects, and its a little silly to make some sort of top down list. At most, maybe there are tiers.
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>>157886301
>feminist cubism
Wew, for a moment I mistook it for actual retardation, but it's just shitposting.
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>>157886406
>maybe there are tiers
Top Tier:
Isao Takahata, Mamoru Oshii, Hayao Miyazaki, Satoshi Kon

High Tier:
Osamu Dezaki, Masaaki Yuasa, Hideaki Anno, Kunihiko Ikuhara, Naoko Yamada, Takashi Nakamura, Sunao Katabuchi, Mamoru Hosoda

Good Tier:
Tatsuya Oishi, Katsuhiro Otomo, Yasuhiro Imagawa, Koji Morimoto, Mitsuo Iso, Noboru Ishiguro, Gisaburo Sugii, Akiyuki Shinbo, Yoshiaki Kawajiri, Yasuhiro Takemoto,Takeshi Koike, Takuya Igarashi, Keiichi Hara, Shinichiro Watanabe, Sayo Yamamoto

OK Tier:
Kenji Nakamura, Junichi Sato, Rintaro, Ryutaro Nakamura, Rie Matsumoto, Tsutomu Mizushima, Yasuhiro Yoshiura, Makoto Shinkai, Hiroyuki Okiura, Hiroyuki Imaishi,Yoh Yoshinari

Medicore Tier:
Seiji Mizushima, Junji Nishimura, Ei Aoki, Tatsuya Ishihara, Yutaka Yamamoto, Tatsuyuki Nagai, Goro Taniguchi, Shoji Kawamori, Yoshiyuki Tomino
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>>157886542
>movie directors and series directors together, like if the jobs were even remotely the same
Stop posting this worthless list.
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>>157886542
Top Tier
>Hayao Miyazaki
>Yoshiaki Kawajiri
>Osamu Dezaki
>Hideaki Anno
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>>157886617
Make a movie director list then.
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>>157886693
No, since I find the mere idea stupid.
But if you want to make one, at least distinguish between movie, series and episode directors.
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>>157856724
they've only been abused in 2 kyoani productions, knk and hibike. and knk was barely even abuse, they'd learnt from their mistakes. maid dragon doesn't use filters at all, and has a completely unique artstyle.

shaft series use the same 'minimalist' (read: cheap) animation and abuse the exact same tricks for every single production they put out, without fail. literally a one trick pony studio, shaft is a fucking joke. ppd and hidamari are their only redeemable series and would probably have been done better if a different studio had got the rights anyway.
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>>157887298
Reminder that Sangatsu > KnK
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>>157887565
This desu
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>>157887298
>and knk was barely even abuse
It was in every shot
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>>157887565
No.
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>>157888601
no it wasnt you fucking pedant
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>>157889034
There was though
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>>157888751
Yes.
The manga is so blatantly superior it's not even up for debate, but the adaption is much better as well.
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>>157858951
I'm not sure Shinkai's word is actually that objective considering he how has low self-esteem and is constantly downplaying any praise of his work.
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>>157889143
Also the fact that he's an incompetent hack.
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>>157889118
The manga spends a lot of time on the side characters and secondary story arcs and manages to do fuck all with them that's actually interesting. Movie burned away the fat and got right to the core issues, was much better off for it.
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>>157889195
>incompetent
Weird word to use for someone who makes films that are commercial and critical successes but you do you, fAm
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>>157887298
>he's never heard of United Production of America or limited animation

Philistine.
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>>157889232
>ad populum
Shinkaifags.
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>>157889143
He was complimenting her, but he wasn't saying hers was the better movie, unlike Attenborough saying ET was better than his Gandhi. (Yes, this happened.)
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>>157886301
>anti-art

Someone doesn't like abstraction.
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>>157889306
Explain what you meant by the word then.
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>>157887565
This meme will never catch on.
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>>157887565
why didn't he fuck oneesan
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>>157889574
It's simply true.
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>>157889689
She's for Shimada.
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>>157889692
I respect your opinion.
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>>157848117
Legs can be a whole lot more expressive than *quizzical look*
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>>157889689
Because he's gonna pic related
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>>157885327
>cherrypicking
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>>157869635
Sorry kid, nothing he has done as a writer or director is relevant except Eva. His animation work is good I admit, but otherwise he fucking sucks ass. There's a reason why the all time greats low key say Anno ain't shit when asked about him in interviews.
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>>157891232
Kare Kano bud.
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>>157882571
Just her description of Tamako Love Story (“I want to depict Tamako standing at the entrance to the universe") shows how she is so good at abstracting how characters feel and grow. With the proper attention to detail (which she has), this can be a huge advantage for a director like her.
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>>157882571
>>157882918
>>157882708
Also the apple motif and Newton quote in TLS. "By always thinking unto them."
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>>157887565
Those characters look like stickers on the background.
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>>157891330
>relevant
>adjective
>Appropriate to the current time, period, or circumstances; of contemporary interest.
As I said, not relevant.
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>>157889574
Yeah, just like "EARTH GOES AROUND THE SUN TOP KEK" never caught on.
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Why does /a/ like shitting on Anno. At this point I'm considering going to /co/ and never coming back.
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>>157889574
Why must KyoAni be better?
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>>157845890
All of them
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>>157892789
But they aren't. See 3gatsu.
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>>157892789
Competent staff, unlike Shaft.
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>>157886301
>feminist cubism

Literally what
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>>157893214
>blurred-out, poorly vectored photos for backgrounds
>relying on memes as much as Shaft and Trigger
>competence
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>>157886301
What does "anti-art" mean?
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>>157893444
>blurred-out, poorly vectored photos for backgrounds
Good meme.
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>nostalgifags comparing Yamada to hasbeens like Anno and Miyazaki

Hey idiots, guess what, Yamada can make both TV AND films. Those are thing that seem to escape to Miyazaki and Anno, respectively.
Why is /a/ so hellbent on sucking two of the most overrated anime directors dick so much? On my lack of understanding of this, I like to blame it on faggots who simply jump from ANN to here, thinking everyone should have the same opinion as them.

Jesus.
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>>157850125
Don't be mean to Mushroom-chan.
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>>157893644
Memes are sometimes true, y'know.

See >>157891883
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>>157845971
1 post too late faggot
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>turn subpar manga into masterpiece
>original masterpiece
>turn subpar manga into masterpiece
So another original masterpiece for Yamada?
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>>157845890
Does Depressed Anno count? We haven't seen him for a while.
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>>157894027
>"films" like a first-year student who just discovered filters
>masterpiece
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>>157893444
>>blurred-out
You say this like it's a bad thing.
Showing things out of focus gives a lot of depth to an image, there's a reason it's called DEPTH of field. Just because you're an autist that wants everything to be crisp doesn't mean doing it any other way is wrong.
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>>157895175
>"replies" like a first-year student who just discovered 4chan
>thinks his opinion matters
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>>157895277
But why are headtilts and '70s throwbacks bad?
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>>157895840
Who the fuck is talking about 70s throwbacks? I've never even seen them mentioned in any argument until now that you are complaining about it.
The headtilts aren't inherently bad, they're just used poorly because
1. They're badly animated
2. They're used with unfitting dialogue and it's just awkward
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>>157896018
also
3. Some (most) of them are anatomically impossible
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>>157896018
>'70s throwbacks

I meant Trigger. Especially evident in Kill la Kill.
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>>157896215
Again, irrelevant. Never seen anyone complain or even acknowledge them in this board until now. You can see I didn't even know what studio you were talking about.
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>>157886542

Ikuhara is a fucking meme. Favorite of faux-intellectuals.
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>>157896355
Did you even read all the way through the thread?
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>>157896552
Yes? It all started when >>157885327 decided to make a scene out of people who complain about it just to have something fit his narrative.
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>157893655
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