Hello again guys, here's the sketch of what we have so far. Any suggestions for new characters to be added must have an image and position for him/her.
Since we have more characters than slots now the priority must be organization. If you think a character is in the wrong place just request for it to be changed, if nobody disagrees with your request, it will be changed.
In the end of the last thread we hada big discussion about Homura's position and I think the majority of us agree with her position now.
About the S100/D0 character, do you guys think Munsu should stay there or should we change him with the boy from grave of the fireflies/angra mainyu?
Remember that this image is just the sketch, I'll post how the final version is looking like on the 2nd post
I couldn't find a good pic for 5-8 characters
Because I didn't know their names
If you have a better pic for a character just link me it and I'll change
Change Diavolo. The current pic looks really weird.
(3rd from top left.)
Here anon, I know from which anime some of them are (Like the DR girl) but without the names it's hard to find a good pic
Is the Incredible Sufferingman in there yet? I can't seem to find him.
90S 0D: Furude Rika, Higurashi no Naku Koro ni
80S 25D: Shirogane Takeru, Muv-Luv
45S 40D: Nagito Komaeda, Danganronpa
40S 30D: Yuuko Kanoe, Tasogare Otome x Amnesia
20S 40D: Itsuki Takeuchi, Initial D
5S 75D: Kodaka Hasegawa, Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai
I think 85S 35D is from Utsuro no Hako to Zero no Maria, but I'm not sure.
This asshole needs to be on there somewhere if he isn't already
His sense of time gets reduced to almost nothing and he is then killed, meaning he goes through centuries of pain before he finally gets to die
Wait, so he's a guy? That's awkward...
Thank you! I'll find better pictures for them
He deserves everything
We haven't found any character memorable enough for it, any suggestions?
>He deserves everything
The only people that hate Makoto are either betas that can´t get puss or dumb bimbos that always get cheated on.
>b-but he played with their feelings!
As if High School relationships meant anything.
>hisoka 0 suffering
He fucking died after getting half of his body blown up piece by piece
I would add a special category for mesousa for 110S 0D
I think with the knowledge from the latest volume Touma can finally get bumped up to 100. Also here's a better pic
She was evil but she really deserve 100?
..Yuuko suffering 100?
>He fucking died after getting half of his body blown up piece by piece
Uh I wouldn't say that affected him since he restored his body and was ready to fight again. But I can put him some suffering blocks up if you want
>Subaru only at 70 suffering
come the fuck on, the guy gets eaten alive by a horde of rabbits three fucking times and has also commited suicide on multiple occasions. So why in the everloving fuck is his suffering lower than Ace
>memeing umaru into 0/100
Come on, that spot is for tomoko
I kind of take issue with saying Bernkastel deserved anything. I know haha it's funny, she's on the opposite side of Rika. It's much simpler to think of her as a villain.
But think for a second what it means to "deserve" pain. All her pain is derived from her time as a part of Rika, their struggle is the same. So are we saying that by becoming a villain later in life she retroactively deserved her pain in the past? The only suffering she has as a witch seems to come from the memories of her time as Rika. That part of her suffering is assuredly unjust.
I also don't think she did wrong in the present of Umineko anyways. Though that's certainly debatable. She takes up the villain role halfway through to push the plot forward. Battler would have killed Beatrice at the end of game 4 and the story would have been over otherwise. Ange wouldn't have been able to face the truth. And Featherine would have stayed in her slumber. Bernkastel represents miracles through infinite possibility. Many possibilities are harsh and end in sadness. But at the heart of it there is the hope for a good ending.
So in the end I don't know where you should put her. I certainly don't think she deserves to suffer. You could keep her there and not think any deeper on it because she's supposed to be a "villain". Or you could just remove her because her suffering is tied right to Rika's.
I like umaru and hate tomoko
Add this to 0S 80D
Alright now he's in the same line as Okarin, I think that's fair.
Who the fuck removed Dedede
Kirby of the Stars is an anime so he belongs
I understand your point, but that's very complicated. I wouldn't like to remove her but she falls in the same case as Griffith/Homura, that suffered before doing horrible things.
If we fix her we should fix them too
Kouhime is literally just a kid that got abused by the villain because she's royalty.
She doesn't deserve anything and that guy is a faggot for implying so.
It was a chart /co/ made
Yeah it's fine I just wanted to say there's more to her than first appears.
And where do you think we should put Punpun?
Uh, I'll put him in the lower right corner with the SoL characters
How about we put her on S30/D5 then?
Dedede's an active asshole and he has his sympathetic moments.
As an example:
In one episode where the world is about to end everyone confesses their sins to their friends, and when Escargoon asks . Dedede to confess he says he's never done anything wrong. Soon later he realizes his mistake and destroys a statue of himself to quickly build a park, and steals Kirby, his arch enemy, away from everyone else to give the park to him as a gift.
I'd put him in 20 Suffering and 50 Deserved
He should've been in 100 in first place, but since he's at 95, I don't think something he can power through solely because it's not as much suffering as the experiences that put him that high in first place should be what bump him to 100. I mean, he already experienced that whole "Your existence is the reason tragedies even happen" thing once in a much bigger scale.
>Ichise from Texhnolyze has been recommended and ignored THREE times
Is whoever is in charge of this grid a fucking newfriend babby who only watches anime from facebook memes? The fuck man. This should've been the first person you put in the 100 row.
Remove that worthless higurashi girl from 90/0 and place this guy
>Touma at S:90
That's ridiculously high if you consider his suffering to the other characters listed on that tier.
Yeah, he's seen some shit and fights some shitty battles but how is that equal to Rika or Kykyou that died multiple times, Utena who got fucked her whole life or Homura who's own existence is suffering? Also, he's still alive.
Bring him down to 70
>Rosette at S:55
Under School Day's Makoto and Mirai Nikki's psychopath girl? Makes no sense. Rosette (and Chrono) should be up at S:80 at least considering they suffered all sorts of emotional and physical injuries and died pitiful deaths.
Either remove her or move to S:75/D:30
>Asuka at D:60
Why? I can't see how any of her actions are deserving of the suffering she got.
Tone this shit down.
Also suggesting this Glasslip fucker for
Doesn't really remove the fact that he suffered if he's got good times later.
He's pretty much mindbroken and a different person now.
Ok, seriously, why is no one questioning why guts and other mortals could be at 100 when certain characters below them, like Rika, Bernkastel, Touma, and that one guy from that time loop LN have suffered for an incomprehensible amount of time? No one should be able to take the top spots from millennia long time loopers like that.
Not even counting that why is Guts higher than Avenger, who was tortured all day every day of his entire life? Like yeah Guts had a shit time but Avenger is basically the peak of suffering humans can experience without supernatural shit coming into play.
At least Diavolo fits being the top spot, I don't think anyone can really compete with him, besides maybe Bern.
I'll rip your head off and shit down your thought get out of here with that nobody loser.
I came to this thread to post this, the guy doing this chart is a motherfucking naruto-tier normalfag
OP, kill yourself
> but how is that equal to Rika or Kykyou that died multiple times
Touma is literally older than the universe and spent those billion years all being tortured to within one second before his death before it all reset so he could be tortured all over again just because the antagonist wanted him to kill himself. He's fine where he is.
Are you forgetting the part where its implied Bern and Lambda have trapped multiple people in logic errors in the past? They've literally condemned people to eternal suffering.
>a backstory not even the guy himself gives a fuck
The criteria for this should be people who suffered during a shitty life and died a shitty death.
TouMAN is alive and fucking whores 24/7 while saving the world multiple times. There's no suffering on his current existence.
How about now?
Since nobody disagrees with this, where in the D scale would he go?
So what position should Touma go?
The problem is that there are too many spots. This chart should have been 10x10.
Even with a 10x10 format, You won't find 10 known anime characters who fit that max suffering threshold.
I don't remember that actually. But implications don't mean much when I don't know the who or why. Also "people" is pretty odd in and of itself in the metaverse. Were they characters or board pieces or other witches?
If we consider Bern from the secret Higurashi kakera/end and Bern from Umineko are the same people that's another mark for the benevolence of Bern in actually forgiving her worst enemy.
Well We can just fuse /a/ and /co/. Welcome to /aco/.
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All of the girls are fucking whores, really
Don't move him down OP, people who are telling you to are memelords, if anything he should be at 100. Hell Guts is at 100 and at the moment he is actually having a pretty non terrible time
>changing "STAY AWAY FROM ME" diavolo to buccellati's soul in diavolo's body
Shame on you people.
I guess this becomes more of a philosophical discussion if we go this route but really I don't think it matters if those people were board pieces or witches. To us normal humans board pieces are the same thing as normal people, it's only when you reach the level of witch that it becomes weird.
If she trapped even 1 person in a logic error just for the purpose of enjoying their suffering I don't think any amount of forgiveness or benevolence can make up for that. Once you condemn someone to eternal suffering JUST for the purposes of enjoyment you've basically got a free ticket to 100 deserved imo.
I think Nepu Nepu would fit for
>How about now?
I'm fine with it
>So what position should Touma go?
At least under everybody who's dead or whose existence is solely suffering.
Half of this thread probably doesn't even know who the other characters in that tier are. This is the source of the issue.
It's less that it's something he's handled before, and more that his entire life was a lie and all his struggles worthless. There's no convenient mental loophole to justify it either, no resets. All of the suffering the occurred in and around AC rests on his shoulders and he's got to live with it.
On it's own I don't think it rates that highly, but having that particular mental torture after grinding through the endless hells really drives it in hard.
>people who are telling you to are memelords
>You are a retard
That anon obviously didn't read the novel. Touma died millions of times by Othinus and suffered billion Hell with everyone betraying him in every phase and Othinus torturing him. I just read the latest chapter and he already got to a worse domed level fighting an angel. If someone needs to be moved it's Othinus since she's a villain and her suffer wasn't that high, it also didn't justify her actions of ending the world and screwing around for billions of years until she get understood. Her Suffer level should be 80 and Deserve level 90 for sure.
What exactly is said though?
I think there could be an argument if it was another witch or someone who truly deserved it (in your opinion), maybe someone evil. Or it could be a lie and never have happened.
I think an interesting argument regarding that is what is a logic error? It's certainly not an eternal punishment because you have only to solve it to leave. Unless it's unsolvable. But Battler put himself in his own logic error. To even be put in a situation where it's possible you'd have to be a playing a game against Bernkastel. And from what we know she picks fights with the likes of Beatrice who trap other people in eternal torments.
I like to think of Bern as a good person deep down. That Ryukishi made her a villain with hints at the side of her that more resembles Rika. And we have only to look for these hints.
I think he should either be bumped up to 100 or everyone who isn't suffering/destined to suffer for all eternity should be brought down to 95. Since death at least means an end to the suffering.
Part of the point of that arc was that Touma was going through the same thing Othinus went, anon. You can make a case for her deserving more, but the suffering is about the same.
I'd like to put him as less deserving, but those are all full and I suppose it could be argued he does somewhat deserve it.
Also, Izaya did get comeuppance. He obviously deserved it, but I'd bump his suffering level up to 40 or 45 at least.
Kind of like Satan, but she doesn't get bullied to the ground by some shitty angels. Needs to learn some life values, but otherwise just a cute normal brat.
I'll put her with the SoL characters in their corner.
He's already in with the SoL corner
He's in. If you want to change his position just make a request
and please use a valid argument
So don't move Touma and move Othinus?
Should be in high suffering + low deserved corner, but it is pretty crowded.
>anons using LN spoilers to justify placements in the chart
If we're playing this game, you might as well bump Yuuko and Rosette to D:-100 since they literally ascended to heaven and became an angel and the second coming of Mary Magdalene. Their suffering is ridiculously higher on the source material then what's shown in the anime.
Same for the Clannad's Illusionary World girl on S:35. She gave up on her chance to be born in our world as Tomoya's child to become the sole guardian of a dimension where nothing is born, nothing dies and nothing ever changes. During the winter she almost freezes to death and during the summer she has no friends to play with. All the while, she sees, almost like through a mirror, people having fun and growing up in our world. ALL ALONE, FOREVER.
>you might as well bump Yuuko and Rosette to D:-100 since they literally ascended to heaven and became an angel and the second coming of Mary Magdalene.
what the fuck I was going to read it
I do agree with you that Bern is pretty obviously not truly evil hearted deep down, the line about her not wanting to be the villain next time basically confirms this.
The only truly cruel act thats beyond redemption in my opinion is the logic error thing, which is why I keep bringing it up. I guess this isn't strictly implied but I'd assume most logic errors you can't solve unless you do something completely unheard of, like Erika's suggestion of Battler cutting himself up into pieces and flushing himself down the drain. Battler's was special because of the whole yasu work around. And even if the people she trapped were like Beatrice, beings who torture others for eternity, I don't think they deserve that. In my opinion not even the most evil being deserves eternal suffering, though I suppose if you're using it explicitly as a prison against practically immortal beings like witches that is your only option.
At this point I'm just saying conjecture anyways so whatever.
and are you sure about 40-45? +30 is a big bump.
If no one disagrees with you I'll do it.
That corner should be full now
Where would you put him?
Yeah, that corner is really crowded. Hard to find a place to her
Is that Watashi at S25,D40?
What the fuck?
You can place cranberry in 45S/100D
Bern's my favorite character in Umineko, but she's still a pretty huge cunt.
I didn't want to change his level of deserving, and so I just went up the chart to where there was S space at 85D. I just think he really did suffer; he was stabbed, kidnapped, and at the end he was beaten to within an inch of his life. I'm not saying he didn't deserve it, but his suffering is more than a 5.
Well, Ace is above Brook too. Should we swap them?
But...but... we have a 100/100, isn't there another space for him?
How many blocks down?
Couldn't he go in a free space?
How about Hisoka to 70D?
Yea, I actually don't think Watashi deserves so much suffering. Move her down a peg maybe.
No you're saying some interesting things. I agree that giving someone eternal punishment is a terrible fate worse than death. But what about when your mind dies out? Witches explicitly die because they simply get bored. And Battler was starting to fade away wasn't he? When he was trapped. Logic errors might be less of an eternal imprisonment and more of an absolute death sentence.
Pitting Ange against Eva is probably her most egrigious act in my eyes, and I struggle to find a good moralization for it. Other than of course she needed Ange to push Battler. Otherwise he probably would have stopped thinking at ep 3~4.
We should just make this anime-only.
The same shit happened when people tried to add Higurashi and Fate characters and give it 5 minutes to retarded meguca fanboys to appear claiming Homura deserves S100
>Hisoka to 70D?
Everyone on HxH is a fucking psycho he is not that bad
Now I wonder where netero should be, he literally saved the entire humanity but he was a fucking psycho too
Any ideas where to place Mayor?
Is Takano on chart? Can't find her.
Is S15/D30 enough?
What do you think about swaping him and Gendo?
...Which one of them
This will be the final version: >>157377254
This one is a sketch for me
Thank you I love you
High suffering and low deserve? He killed himself to save humanity
>Well, Ace is above Brook too. Should we swap them?
Sounds good, but I think that Karin would still be too high. There's no good reason for her to be above people like Gaara, Kariya, Rem and Casshern.
> Which one of them
Takumi, not his imaginary waifu.
Is this the face of a suffering guy?
>Is S15/D30 enough?
I don't see why people think she deserves to suffer.
This is the same shit as Yui.
why is kohaku's deserved it so high. wasn't she literally raped as a child
This Binbogami for
Homeless and slave to her job as a goddess of misfortune. Antics are annoying at most, but gets returned punishment multiple times harsher. Like Satan but with more misfortune.
A good guy to fill that gap.
He starts a world war and kills over 80% of the enemy after they lost the will to fight because they were in his way. A lot of his guys get killed too.
Literally beats his waifu "to protect her"
Offset by him being right
His parents and friends don't know he exists, and he goes to a parallel world where they don't exist.
Is immortal and wanders the world for the rest of his life telling dickheads to not be dickheads because of his ideals.
Offset by being with his waifu
>plots the murder of your family
when the family is descended from her childhood rapist and is comprised of literal monsters you're pretty justified. The rest of it is "I don't like this character". Should be reduced greatly without better reasons.
not to mention that this all occurs after her trauma, so I'm not sure how she "deserves it" retroactively.
Put Kohaku in 20D.
Akiha deserves only headpats.
I like Kohaku but she was in the wrong. You can't justify a murder plot that was solely about self-gratification, revenge on somebody who didn't have anything to do with it.
This fucking cat ruined my immersion multiple times and kept getting away with it.
I fucking hate him oh so much.
0 Suffering and 70 deserve?
While we don't have a memorable 100/100 character I guess this is alright
Where would you put her?
Done. Where would you put Karin?
But aren't all waifus imaginary?
>Is this the face of a suffering guy?
I mean, exploding a nuclear bomb in your heart must hurt a little bit
I can remove her if you want, the SoL corner is crowded. The best slot available is S10/D20
Uh... I don't think she deserved 30, anon
Two wrongs don't make a right, don't you think?
Didn't she plan a murder too?
Well, where would you put her?
Yamada on D50? are you sure? What did she even do
yeah, until they murder someone. What would you have her do?
Anyway the game makes it clear that Kohaku's actions are largely a product of her trauma and disassociation. Saying she deserves her suffering because of them is completely backwards.
Seeing as noone replied to you earlier I personally feel Ichise from Texhnolyze didnt exactly deserve anything that happened to him as everyone in the show was fucked from the beginning. Though seeing the use of the D-axis with other characters on the chart you could also say he sort of deserved it for being used like a dog and only finding purpose when it was too late. So I dont know, probably beside squealer as he's definitely S:100
>I can remove her if you want, the SoL corner is crowded. The best slot available is S10/D20
Yeah just remove her.
Giving Watashi a higher deserving ratio is just dumb. She did nothing wrong (no meme).
Guess >>157380649 anon agrees as well.
Didn't really suffer as much as he spent a decade pining over a 10 year old boy and then got BTFO. His suffer is definitely not on caliber with Light, at the very least.
Deserves high for being a serial murderer of little girls. He should be higher on deserved but spots are filled desu.
I feel Ran would be the best representative for Texhnolyze and for S:100 D:0 since she was born with a power to see a future she was frightened of and tried her best to change fate but couldnt stop the inevitable and was royally fucked in the end, though admittedly I dont know who the guy currently on the spot is.
Where do you guys think that Master Therion should be?
>Satou more deserving than Misaki
>Some guy who made a few wrong turns and became a Hikki vs Someone who's true intentions were to essentially keep him there forever so she could feel better about herself
>Two wrongs don't make a right, don't you think?
No they don't, but Kohaku would have no reason to seek revenge if Makihisa hadn't raped her as a child, effectively destroying her ability to empathize with other people, including the rest of the Tohno family.
Don't know what was the argument for Uzuki, but I think Watashi would be better for deserve:0, suffer:20. She was born into a world that's basically going into the shitters, but at least she's living it out decently enough.
You do make a great point but I sort of feel Ran's indifference to it all at the end sort of negates her suffering in some way. Idk.
Onishi's side girl is straight up 100/0 though. Poor girl.
I added her, but what happened to her for the 90S?
Already filled, sorry
How about S60/D40?
S40/D50 is filled
If nobody disagrees with this, I'll add. Haven't watched Elfen Lied
How about D35? He's just a poor pet
I moved Hisoka in the deserve line, only 30D for murders is insanely low
Sorry, but the 0D part is full, I put him on S100 next to Squealer
I want one too
If anyone wants her back just let me know
I put him on S5/D85 for being a murdered, is that ok?
oh stop he doesn't deserve the same as a murderer
But anon, if we're to consider LN spoilers like Indexfags,
She's a fairy. So she's among her peers and doing the respectable job of repopulating Earth by /ss/ means
Though I'd agree on that placement if we consider the bullying she suffered on childhood and the stuff she goes through.
D:40 (tries to kill Yugi and friends)
Orphan, stepdad was a maniac, Experience of Death and Mind Crush, wake up from a coma and some American faggot is trying to take over his company and kidnaps his brother and steals their souls, has better cards and doesn't clean win against rival in 4 attempts, rival gets beaten by his vessel and fucks off to the afterlife, goes to the fucking afterlife to duel his rival (and will probably lose)
>deserving any suffering
You are all fucking monsters. I hope Shoe gives you aids.
You can't simply make Guts deserving of his suffering my dude.
We need more people for top right.
How about this?
What happened to him for the S70 though?
Do you want to swap them?
Can you post an image for me to use? Thanks
How about S50/D65 then?
How about S10/D0 (Above Chiyo)
Isn't he from Bible Black? Taki Minase I think
>tfw Umaru never left her spot >>157298976
Put him to the left of the character from Osomatsu at the bottom.
Thx, Here is better pics for ToAru characters slots. Starting with Touma.
That spot is taken, how about S45/D50?
Added (I think he deserved more tho)
And Misaka. I already sent a good one for Accel last thread.
S60/D75 is enough?
Nobody disagrees with this?
Done, but why did he deserve it?
Done, but why the high deserve?
Zambot? nice, added.
How about the guy from Phoenix vol.2 that was forced to live alone on a planet for billions of years after watching his world collapse and his lover killed? That's gotta be 100 on suffering. Can't quite remember how much he had to do with society's collapse though.
Nobody disagreed, so changed.
No space on D95, I put him on S65/D85, is that ok?
Added but with another pic
Why is the D so high though?
Oh shit, where
Added, but why S80?
True, I'll move him a little bit to the left
I was thinking about this for a while too, didn't Satou only even suffer that much partly because of Misaki fucking with him in first place? There's no way he deserved it more than her.
Are you still here? Since the other anon didn't answer, can you give me a good Watashi pic for the chart?
We had a long discussion last thread about Homura's position... Why do you think she deserves to go up? (It starts here: >>157341278)
I only put 1 character myself, and nobody complained about it yet.
Do you think Akane shouldn't deserve so much?
One anon was arguing that because >>157316180 happened she should be high. Maybe we should higher the girl with a slow death then?
>Added, but why S80?
He was born a ghoul, had his mom abandoned him when he was young, was later captured and tortured for a long ass time, to the point where he was completely destroyed mentally. And on top of that he had his back slowly eaten by a guy and stabbed to death soon after.
Remember guys, if you have a better pic of the character for the final chart (this one is the sketch) please give me
I haven't read the light novel, so maybe you'll disregard. But essentially I see her as a very one dimensional character, especially after she falls head over heel for Subaru. From what I see, she's only ever in one mode, which is "I will do anything and everything for Subaru." There's no internal turmoil about what to do or what's right or what's wrong. All she does is suck off Subaru's tits even after being rejected, and that's what I feel she will continue to do no matter what. Just there to protect Subaru because she loves him unconditionally for some reason. Rem was a much better character before she became part of the harem, but she played right into the "MC is a nice guy so I gotta suck his dick" archetype. Still better than anime Emilia at least, but I heard that changes in the LN; however, I don't enjoy Re;Zero enough to find out.
No, she was a horrible person in a cast of shitty characters, she was not a murderer or something and didn't force anyone to do anything they didn't want to do. She also developed greatly.
>all of the 0S spots are taken
Then where the hell are we supposed to put Helck? He's floating somewhere around 50 suffering, maybe a bit more, but if anyone were to have a deserved score in the negatives it's him.
I fucked that up, meant to say 0 deserved, would've suggested a higher suffering score but his deep wounds have begun to heal as of late and his soul is filled with determination and hope so about 50 seems appropriate everything considered.
/co/'s 100s, based on who I recognize
>Dies several times a season, lives in a poor home with parents who just try to get by
>Rocket, but I don't know the full details of his story
>Squidward, a failed artist who works as a cashier spending every day of eternity being tormented by his neighbors, usually for their amusement without them intending on being malicious
>Rick, a man who wanted to get acknowledged for his job and loved while he has to watch Homer get all the fame and attention to the point where he has a mental breakdown
>Wolverine, an immortal mutant subject to a whole lot of shit
>Guy Fawkes, who I forget all but lead a really shitty life
>Tails Gets Trolled Porky, who had watched his wife and son get shot right in the head and took his own life from the sheer despair of their deaths and the troll's action, on top of giving himself to a Satanic cult
>The kid from Pinnochio who became a mule and works in coal mines
>Facilier whois suffering an eternity in the underworld
>Farquaad who got eaten alive by a dragon and is still alive in there
>Yosemite Sam who never gets anything and is always angry
>CWC who is a bad person in real life and a complete tyrant who paints himself a hero in the comics
Some are all over the place but they have the general idea.
but she is practically a slave, gets bullied/abused constantly and humiliated because can't invade shit
Isn't that Hulk the one that lived in the universe where earth was conquered by giant ants?
He would be eaten alive everyday but since he has high regeneration he would come back to life just to be eaten again, eternally
Squidward is more that he also had his dreams broken and is subject to the torment of Spongebob, Patrick, and Krabs almost daily. He can't even dream of success in his sleep, lest Spongebob invades that too
Yeah he'd be lower on an /a/ suffering chart but I'm not /co/ m8
The only villain i know of that literally got away with everything and accomplished all his goals,
He had a shitty life even before the torture, did you forget that he was almost killed by his mother for trivial shit in the beginning of the anime? He also died knowing that he lost the chance to win freedom for his people, and doomed his tribe, and probably whole race, to be slaves forever, on the absolutely best case scenario.
>homura suffered less than guts but should be moved to the left a bit
Is everyone here OK with Homura being moved one square to the left? If so, I'll change it (People usually get mad when I move Homura/Guts/Touma/Subaru/Shinji)
I can put him on D85 if you want
S85? But isn't he a cyborg?
I moved Snake/Tomoko/Goku and 2 girls to the left a bit. They didn't belong in the 80D+ with the murderers
>Is everyone here OK with Homura being moved one square to the left? If so, I'll change it (People usually get mad when I move Homura/Guts/Touma/Subaru/Shinji)
i would move her further (the only things she did wrong
were in the anime when she ignored/tried to kill sayaka) but you won't get a consensus on that
Actually, yea there are some disproportionate stuff in here. Momoka shouldn't be 100 deserve and 20 suffer. 40 deserve, 20 suffer is better.
One last time for the road
Really, this cunt deserved more pain
Alright, moved 1 square.
Last time I moved more than one there was a 50+ post discussion about what Homura did
If you recommend a character with a image I'll add!
Do you think the 55S line is enough for her? The characters there seem to have suffered like her
Uh yeah, moved.
I think I know which image you're talking about, and that's not Aizen. He's not in the chart yet
you should use a picture of homu from the very end of rebellion featuring one of her exhausted-by-life faces
But he didn't even know the value of a human being's life. He wasn't evil, just a curious and powerful being
Finding a good place for Homura will be already a victory
>If you recommend a character with a image I'll add!
If it's still incomplete by tomorrow I can help filling gaps.
Though I'm not sure the Touma/Homura folk will ever let this be finished.
I don't think Mami is in this thing
Although she should be, but most of the good spaces for her are taken.
She's in the 40-60 area for suffering and 20-40 area for Deserving, but most of those spots are taken.
Do you have a good pic? That one is kinda blurry