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/a/ character chart - IV

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Hello again guys, here's the sketch of what we have so far. Any suggestions for new characters to be added must have an image and position for him/her.
Since we have more characters than slots now the priority must be organization. If you think a character is in the wrong place just request for it to be changed, if nobody disagrees with your request, it will be changed.

In the end of the last thread we hada big discussion about Homura's position and I think the majority of us agree with her position now.

About the S100/D0 character, do you guys think Munsu should stay there or should we change him with the boy from grave of the fireflies/angra mainyu?

Remember that this image is just the sketch, I'll post how the final version is looking like on the 2nd post
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I couldn't find a good pic for 5-8 characters Because I didn't know their names
If you have a better pic for a character just link me it and I'll change
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>>157377254
Draw a red line above those characters in paint, I'll help you.
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>>157377254
Change Diavolo. The current pic looks really weird.
(3rd from top left.)
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>>157377300
Here anon, I know from which anime some of them are (Like the DR girl) but without the names it's hard to find a good pic

>>157377533
Alright, changing.
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>>157377210
gay
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Requesting someone more knowledgeable to place some Wolf's Rain in there. There's probably good examples of suffering without deserving it.
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>>157377210
>Makoto on maximum level of deserving suffering

Just because it could get more pussy than you doesn´t mean he deserves suffering, fuccboi.
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Is the Incredible Sufferingman in there yet? I can't seem to find him.
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>>157377592
90S 0D: Furude Rika, Higurashi no Naku Koro ni
80S 25D: Shirogane Takeru, Muv-Luv
45S 40D: Nagito Komaeda, Danganronpa
40S 30D: Yuuko Kanoe, Tasogare Otome x Amnesia
20S 40D: Itsuki Takeuchi, Initial D
5S 75D: Kodaka Hasegawa, Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai

I think 85S 35D is from Utsuro no Hako to Zero no Maria, but I'm not sure.
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>>157377210
is 100/100 being saved for some meme character?
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>>157377592
>>157377732
Also: 60S, 0D is Alibaba from Magi. I don't know the two remaining ones.
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>>157377210
Get the fuck out of /a/ already.
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This asshole needs to be on there somewhere if he isn't already

Deserved 80
Suffered 95

His sense of time gets reduced to almost nothing and he is then killed, meaning he goes through centuries of pain before he finally gets to die
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>>157377732
>Nagito Komaeda
Wait, so he's a guy? That's awkward...
Thank you! I'll find better pictures for them

>>157377707
He deserves everything

>>157377856
We haven't found any character memorable enough for it, any suggestions?

>>157377857
Thank you
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>>157377886
If I remember correctly, centuries passed while the sword was going through his heart, right?
If no one disagrees with this I'll change in the next chart
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>>157377592
15S, 0D is the main character from Kuma Miko I think.
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>>157377953
Centuries for him
Seconds for everyone else
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>>157377891
>He deserves everything

The only people that hate Makoto are either betas that can´t get puss or dumb bimbos that always get cheated on.

>b-but he played with their feelings!

As if High School relationships meant anything.
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>>157377891
>any suggestions?
Anonymous.
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S: 15
D: 75
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>>157377891
>...any suggestions?
/a/
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>>157378019
Anon, the one that suffered the most, even deserving everything he got? I like your idea
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>>157377210
put nui next to sasuke
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>>157377210
Change Munsu for Yuuko
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>>157377592
>hisoka 0 suffering
He fucking died after getting half of his body blown up piece by piece

I would add a special category for mesousa for 110S 0D
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S: 30
D: 90
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>>157377254
I think with the knowledge from the latest volume Touma can finally get bumped up to 100. Also here's a better pic
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>>157378083
She was evil but she really deserve 100?
>>157378032
Done
>>157378155
Done
>>157378108
..Yuuko suffering 100?
>>157378131
>He fucking died after getting half of his body blown up piece by piece
Uh I wouldn't say that affected him since he restored his body and was ready to fight again. But I can put him some suffering blocks up if you want
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why the fuck mikan so high? she jsut got bullied
why is subaru so low
why the fuck is sakura over saber and archer

this shit doesn't make sense
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>>157377592
>Subaru only at 70 suffering
come the fuck on, the guy gets eaten alive by a horde of rabbits three fucking times and has also commited suicide on multiple occasions. So why in the everloving fuck is his suffering lower than Ace
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>>157378249
Because re:zero is a meme show
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>>157378229
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>>157378229
>She was evil but she really deserve 100?
next to sasuke, so 95 or 90
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>suffering 40
>deserve 50
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>>157378283
>hurr durr stop like anime that i don't like
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>>157378249
>why is subaru so low
>>157378271
How many blocks should he go up? He was at 90 before and I don't think that's right. Some characters on 90 suffered for centuries
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>>157378327
>deserve 50
What the fuck is worng with you?
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the OP is shit,
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>>157378229
I meant the Yuuko next to Munsu
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>>157378285
Move satou above shinji and below kaiji
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>>157378305
Oh duh. I'll put her.

>>157378327
Is she Kouhime? I only know that her father died but she suffered 40?

>>157378396
Oh yes, I am.
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>memeing umaru into 0/100

Come on, that spot is for tomoko
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>>157377210
I kind of take issue with saying Bernkastel deserved anything. I know haha it's funny, she's on the opposite side of Rika. It's much simpler to think of her as a villain.

But think for a second what it means to "deserve" pain. All her pain is derived from her time as a part of Rika, their struggle is the same. So are we saying that by becoming a villain later in life she retroactively deserved her pain in the past? The only suffering she has as a witch seems to come from the memories of her time as Rika. That part of her suffering is assuredly unjust.

I also don't think she did wrong in the present of Umineko anyways. Though that's certainly debatable. She takes up the villain role halfway through to push the plot forward. Battler would have killed Beatrice at the end of game 4 and the story would have been over otherwise. Ange wouldn't have been able to face the truth. And Featherine would have stayed in her slumber. Bernkastel represents miracles through infinite possibility. Many possibilities are harsh and end in sadness. But at the heart of it there is the hope for a good ending.

So in the end I don't know where you should put her. I certainly don't think she deserves to suffer. You could keep her there and not think any deeper on it because she's supposed to be a "villain". Or you could just remove her because her suffering is tied right to Rika's.
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>>157378285
Shao tucker above andou
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>>157378348
Move him to the space below Touma I guess. Griffith got near infinite power and all he had was suffering for like a couple of years.
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>>157378418
>I only know that her father died

She was so gangraped she become a tank character
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>>157378418
It was her brother that died and she was also raped for a good while. I'm not sure if it should be 40 either, but deserve definitely isn't 50.
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>>157378449
>tomoko
Literally who?
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>>157378410
Oh, Yuuko Amamiya.
If no one has a problem with this, I'll change them.
Not many people know about Munsu

>>157378411
Alright
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>>157378449
No. Umaru is universally hated here.
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>>157378505
I like umaru and hate tomoko

Add this to 0S 80D
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>>157377210
S95 D90
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>>157377210
This shit makes 0 sense, is this some new shit from leddit?
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>>157378285
>yamada 20/20

That whore need to be purged

This list is fucking retarded
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>>157378485
Oh.. added
>>157378481
Alright now he's in the same line as Okarin, I think that's fair.
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>>157378590
It must be some MAL meme, its stupid and the charatcers are random
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>>157377254
punpun definitely deserves more how much he deserves

Also is the 0DS 100S the mc of the korean berserk (forgot the name)?
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Who the fuck removed Dedede

Kirby of the Stars is an anime so he belongs
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>>157378471
I understand your point, but that's very complicated. I wouldn't like to remove her but she falls in the same case as Griffith/Homura, that suffered before doing horrible things.
If we fix her we should fix them too
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>>157377210
Anonymous S100 D100
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>>157378658
Kouhime is literally just a kid that got abused by the villain because she's royalty.
She doesn't deserve anything and that guy is a faggot for implying so.
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>>157378590
>>157378675
It was a chart /co/ made
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>>157378712
This
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>>157378056
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>>157378779
>/co/
OP confirmed faggot
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>>157378709
Yeah it's fine I just wanted to say there's more to her than first appears.
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>>157378679
http://jushin.wikia.com/wiki/Munsu
And where do you think we should put Punpun?
>>157378702
Uh, I'll put him in the lower right corner with the SoL characters

>>157378746
How about we put her on S30/D5 then?
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>>157378675
I saw this bullshit when it started. It's not random, it's that OP can't distinguish troll suggestions from actual ones.
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Here is your 100/100
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>>157378869
Yeah you could put her there.
She got healed by papa Rance so she's not too bad.
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>>157377210
Can we just repot this shit?
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>>157378869
>>157378472
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>>157378939
Yes.
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>>157378779
>95/95
Dream did nothing wrong
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>>157378923
>that OP can't distinguish troll suggestions from actual ones.

Then OP is the MAL meme

He don't even know kou
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>>157378869
Dedede's an active asshole and he has his sympathetic moments.

As an example: In one episode where the world is about to end everyone confesses their sins to their friends, and when Escargoon asks . Dedede to confess he says he's never done anything wrong. Soon later he realizes his mistake and destroys a statue of himself to quickly build a park, and steals Kirby, his arch enemy, away from everyone else to give the park to him as a gift.

I'd put him in 20 Suffering and 50 Deserved
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>>157378923
People should really actually gives reasons as to why a character deserves/has suffered

100 should be restricted to characters that will suffer forever in all honesty
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>>157378585
>>157378932

>>157378975
How about above Gendo? I don't think he suffered a lot

>>157378925
Go away Kubo
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>>157377533
>Posts Buccellati Diavolo
Terrible desu
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>>157378925
This chart has no 100/100. Kubo is actually 0/0
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>>157377210
Stop accepting jojo/dbz characters, there are like 5 already
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>>157378975
He got killed and his wife left him
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>>157378173
He should've been in 100 in first place, but since he's at 95, I don't think something he can power through solely because it's not as much suffering as the experiences that put him that high in first place should be what bump him to 100. I mean, he already experienced that whole "Your existence is the reason tragedies even happen" thing once in a much bigger scale.
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>>157379186
Meant to say wife died at his hands because of how desperate he was
At least replace Umaru with him
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The whole thing makes 0 sense for exemple Sonokawa Momoka deserving the same suffering as Freeza, its just plain stupid.
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>>157377210
why is Griffith so high on suffering tho.
He was crippled for a while but then comes back as a god among men
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>>157379204
I think Squealer suffered more than Touma
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>>157379184
He's from /co/ what do you expect?
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>>157379226
The 4 corners are pretty much meme rankings though
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>>157377210
>several threads
>Ichise from Texhnolyze has been recommended and ignored THREE times
Is whoever is in charge of this grid a fucking newfriend babby who only watches anime from facebook memes? The fuck man. This should've been the first person you put in the 100 row.
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Remove that worthless higurashi girl from 90/0 and place this guy
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>>157377210
>Touma at S:90
That's ridiculously high if you consider his suffering to the other characters listed on that tier.
Yeah, he's seen some shit and fights some shitty battles but how is that equal to Rika or Kykyou that died multiple times, Utena who got fucked her whole life or Homura who's own existence is suffering? Also, he's still alive.
Bring him down to 70
>Rosette at S:55
Under School Day's Makoto and Mirai Nikki's psychopath girl? Makes no sense. Rosette (and Chrono) should be up at S:80 at least considering they suffered all sorts of emotional and physical injuries and died pitiful deaths.
Either remove her or move to S:75/D:30
>Asuka at D:60
Why? I can't see how any of her actions are deserving of the suffering she got.
Tone this shit down.

Also suggesting this Glasslip fucker for
S: 0
D: 55
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>>157378590
OP is a crossboarder from /co/ who thinks his cancer is welcomed on /a/.
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>>157379237
Doesn't really remove the fact that he suffered if he's got good times later.
He's pretty much mindbroken and a different person now.
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>>157379324
Fuck off
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Ok, seriously, why is no one questioning why guts and other mortals could be at 100 when certain characters below them, like Rika, Bernkastel, Touma, and that one guy from that time loop LN have suffered for an incomprehensible amount of time? No one should be able to take the top spots from millennia long time loopers like that.

Not even counting that why is Guts higher than Avenger, who was tortured all day every day of his entire life? Like yeah Guts had a shit time but Avenger is basically the peak of suffering humans can experience without supernatural shit coming into play.

At least Diavolo fits being the top spot, I don't think anyone can really compete with him, besides maybe Bern.
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>>157379324
This.
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>>157379324
I'll rip your head off and shit down your thought get out of here with that nobody loser.
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>>157379268
I came to this thread to post this, the guy doing this chart is a motherfucking naruto-tier normalfag

>>157379380
OP, kill yourself
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>>157379268
At least he removed Yui after we spammed the thread yesterday asking for it.
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>>157379324
Fucking this
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>>157379341
> but how is that equal to Rika or Kykyou that died multiple times
Touma is literally older than the universe and spent those billion years all being tortured to within one second before his death before it all reset so he could be tortured all over again just because the antagonist wanted him to kill himself. He's fine where he is.
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S: 35
D: 30
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>>157379453
I still don't see the issue with Yui when we have Yotsuba (who fits the meme spot of her corner) and Yuno (who takes up two spots because W I D E )
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>>157378851
Are you forgetting the part where its implied Bern and Lambda have trapped multiple people in logic errors in the past? They've literally condemned people to eternal suffering.
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>>157379324
Kill yourself.
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>>157379464
Touma have a fucking harem and punch whores for fun
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>>157378658
100/100
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>>157379507
Unfortunately for Touma some of those whores are nigh-omnipotent
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>>157379419
>>157379380
>>157379504
>samefag
Fuck off retard.
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>>157379504
>>157379380
I would send you to gaia but I guess you had yet to born when it was a thing


>>157379518
BEATOOOORIIICHEEEE deserve 80/100
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>>157379464
>a backstory not even the guy himself gives a fuck
The criteria for this should be people who suffered during a shitty life and died a shitty death.
TouMAN is alive and fucking whores 24/7 while saving the world multiple times. There's no suffering on his current existence.
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>>157379518
She's nowhere near as bad as Bern or even Lambda if we're talking past actions, I'd say shes at most 95/80
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>>157379498
Welp you just explained the issue.
Yotsuba is at 0x0 and Yuno is there for the MEMERZ. What placement for would Yui would make sense?
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>>157379507
The harem might as well add to it considering the good girls are countries away while the girls that orbit him are all major fucking headaches.
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>>157379518
We are not going to put that fucking tranny in the chart.
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>>157379341
How about now?
>>157379268
Since nobody disagrees with this, where in the D scale would he go?

>>157379204
>>157379341
So what position should Touma go?
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>>157379580
You are a retard.
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>>157379388
The problem is that there are too many spots. This chart should have been 10x10.

Even with a 10x10 format, You won't find 10 known anime characters who fit that max suffering threshold.
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>>157379502
I don't remember that actually. But implications don't mean much when I don't know the who or why. Also "people" is pretty odd in and of itself in the metaverse. Were they characters or board pieces or other witches?
If we consider Bern from the secret Higurashi kakera/end and Bern from Umineko are the same people that's another mark for the benevolence of Bern in actually forgiving her worst enemy.
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Well We can just fuse /a/ and /co/. Welcome to /aco/.
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>>157379504
>>157379380

Return to kissanime

>>157379518
All of the girls are fucking whores, really
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>>157379667
Where he is
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>>157377210
Did you really think /a/ would be organized enough to complete this? We don't even have 100 memorable characters
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>>157379667
Don't move him down OP, people who are telling you to are memelords, if anything he should be at 100. Hell Guts is at 100 and at the moment he is actually having a pretty non terrible time
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>>157379667
Where is Anonymous, faggot?
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>>157377210
Ichise should be first.
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Suffering 10 deserve 90
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>>157379733
>people who are telling you to are memelords
not an argument
He isn't suffering, he has a whole harem. He shouldn't be with Guts/Squealer
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>>157377533
>>157379667
>changing "STAY AWAY FROM ME" diavolo to buccellati's soul in diavolo's body
Shame on you people.
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>>157379759
My boy Xellos doesn't deserve 90 suffering
Fuck you
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>>157379759
Spot taken, how about 0S/85D?
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>>157379690
I guess this becomes more of a philosophical discussion if we go this route but really I don't think it matters if those people were board pieces or witches. To us normal humans board pieces are the same thing as normal people, it's only when you reach the level of witch that it becomes weird.

If she trapped even 1 person in a logic error just for the purpose of enjoying their suffering I don't think any amount of forgiveness or benevolence can make up for that. Once you condemn someone to eternal suffering JUST for the purposes of enjoyment you've basically got a free ticket to 100 deserved imo.
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>>157379810
He had some suffering, slayers girls are suffering for those around them
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>>157379768
Guts isn't suffering and has friends. He should totally be at 70 hurr hurr

this is your argument.
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>>157379667
Just keep Touma where he is right now, it's a good enough spot.
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>>157379667
I think Nepu Nepu would fit for
Deserve: 20
Suffering: 10
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>>157379790
Everyone loves Xellos but he is a motherfucking genocidal psycho that does it for fun
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Suffering 65
Deserved 60
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>>157379667
>How about now?
I'm fine with it
>So what position should Touma go?
At least under everybody who's dead or whose existence is solely suffering.
Half of this thread probably doesn't even know who the other characters in that tier are. This is the source of the issue.
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>>157379204
It's less that it's something he's handled before, and more that his entire life was a lie and all his struggles worthless. There's no convenient mental loophole to justify it either, no resets. All of the suffering the occurred in and around AC rests on his shoulders and he's got to live with it.
On it's own I don't think it rates that highly, but having that particular mental torture after grinding through the endless hells really drives it in hard.
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>>157379887
He deserved it way less than that, come on now.
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>>157379810
Up a level of suffering to gendo and place Xellos where he was
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>>157379733
>people who are telling you to are memelords
>>157379671
>You are a retard

Indexfags, everyone.
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>>157379925
How about 65S/30D?
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>>157379667
That anon obviously didn't read the novel. Touma died millions of times by Othinus and suffered billion Hell with everyone betraying him in every phase and Othinus torturing him. I just read the latest chapter and he already got to a worse domed level fighting an angel. If someone needs to be moved it's Othinus since she's a villain and her suffer wasn't that high, it also didn't justify her actions of ending the world and screwing around for billions of years until she get understood. Her Suffer level should be 80 and Deserve level 90 for sure.
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>>157380015
Yeah that sounds about right.
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>>157379830
What exactly is said though?
I think there could be an argument if it was another witch or someone who truly deserved it (in your opinion), maybe someone evil. Or it could be a lie and never have happened.

I think an interesting argument regarding that is what is a logic error? It's certainly not an eternal punishment because you have only to solve it to leave. Unless it's unsolvable. But Battler put himself in his own logic error. To even be put in a situation where it's possible you'd have to be a playing a game against Bernkastel. And from what we know she picks fights with the likes of Beatrice who trap other people in eternal torments.

I like to think of Bern as a good person deep down. That Ryukishi made her a villain with hints at the side of her that more resembles Rika. And we have only to look for these hints.
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>>157379667
I think he should either be bumped up to 100 or everyone who isn't suffering/destined to suffer for all eternity should be brought down to 95. Since death at least means an end to the suffering.
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>>157380030
Part of the point of that arc was that Touma was going through the same thing Othinus went, anon. You can make a case for her deserving more, but the suffering is about the same.
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Where would you put him?
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>>157380030
So keep Touma in his place
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>>157379667
You forgot to readd Dedede >>157378702
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>>157380099
he's already there
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>>157380082
It's been long since I read NT9 but yeah now I remember, and yeah Othinus D level should be 90 in my view.
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>>157380015
>>157380046
Actually, he should be 90S/30D
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>>157380099
In prison
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30S/25D

I'd like to put him as less deserving, but those are all full and I suppose it could be argued he does somewhat deserve it.


Also, Izaya did get comeuppance. He obviously deserved it, but I'd bump his suffering level up to 40 or 45 at least.
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>>157379667
Brat
Deserve: 20
Suffering: 0

Kind of like Satan, but she doesn't get bullied to the ground by some shitty angels. Needs to learn some life values, but otherwise just a cute normal brat.
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>>157379872
I'll put her with the SoL characters in their corner.

>>157379887
>>157379925
>>157380015
>>157380046
Done

>>157379759
>>157379878
Done

>>157380138
He's already in with the SoL corner

>>157380099
He's in. If you want to change his position just make a request and please use a valid argument

>>157380030
>>157380082
>>157380104
So don't move Touma and move Othinus?
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>>157379667
>still no astroboy
For shame.
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Should be in high suffering + low deserved corner, but it is pretty crowded.
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>anons using LN spoilers to justify placements in the chart
Yeah, right.
If we're playing this game, you might as well bump Yuuko and Rosette to D:-100 since they literally ascended to heaven and became an angel and the second coming of Mary Magdalene. Their suffering is ridiculously higher on the source material then what's shown in the anime.
Same for the Clannad's Illusionary World girl on S:35. She gave up on her chance to be born in our world as Tomoya's child to become the sole guardian of a dimension where nothing is born, nothing dies and nothing ever changes. During the winter she almost freezes to death and during the summer she has no friends to play with. All the while, she sees, almost like through a mirror, people having fun and growing up in our world. ALL ALONE, FOREVER.
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>>157380234
Izaya was just beaten up really hard and will have to stay in a wheelchair for a good while, but he's not even paralyzed or anything. I don't think that reaches 40 or 45.
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>>157380320
>you might as well bump Yuuko and Rosette to D:-100 since they literally ascended to heaven and became an angel and the second coming of Mary Magdalene.
what the fuck I was going to read it
fuck you
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>>157380285
How in fuck is Karin above Brook?
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>>157380285
I see now. That placement is fair
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I got your 100/100 right here
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S 10
D 60
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>>157380074
I do agree with you that Bern is pretty obviously not truly evil hearted deep down, the line about her not wanting to be the villain next time basically confirms this.

The only truly cruel act thats beyond redemption in my opinion is the logic error thing, which is why I keep bringing it up. I guess this isn't strictly implied but I'd assume most logic errors you can't solve unless you do something completely unheard of, like Erika's suggestion of Battler cutting himself up into pieces and flushing himself down the drain. Battler's was special because of the whole yasu work around. And even if the people she trapped were like Beatrice, beings who torture others for eternity, I don't think they deserve that. In my opinion not even the most evil being deserves eternal suffering, though I suppose if you're using it explicitly as a prison against practically immortal beings like witches that is your only option.

At this point I'm just saying conjecture anyways so whatever.
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>>157380340
Wew, sorry anon.
You gotta catch up with that backlog.
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>>157380285
Anon put shou in
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>>157380288
So where would you put him? Astro Boy is an easy in for this chart
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>>157380285
Yes don't move Touma and move Othinus.
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Literally why? Who even cares? This thread is stupid.
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Suffered... 20
Deserved... 70
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>>157380430
For fun silly
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>>157380234
Done

and are you sure about 40-45? +30 is a big bump.
If no one disagrees with you I'll do it.

>>157380283
SoL corner
That corner should be full now

>>157380288
Where would you put him?

>>157380308
Yeah, that corner is really crowded. Hard to find a place to her
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>>157380383
Maybe at the start of the story but he was killing to redeem all his killing so maybe 100/70
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>>157380454
>fun
You're the silly.
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>>157380383
I proposed him yesterday as 90/90, he should be in that zone.
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>>157380387
>>157380466
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>>157380466
Add >>157379324
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>>157380454
>for fun
There's already a chart for this though, I don't have it saved though.
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>>157380466
Hisoka should be moved to the right. He is battle maniac that kill people for shit and giggles. I would be surprise if his kill counter wasn't at least in the thousands.
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>>157380496
>silly anon, he doesn't know fun isn't fun
/a/ deserved the no-fun meme more than /v/
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>>157380466
Is that Watashi at S25,D40?
What the fuck?
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>>157380466
You can place cranberry in 45S/100D
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>>157379667
Shichika at 10D/55S maybe?
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>>157380074
>>157380390
Bern's my favorite character in Umineko, but she's still a pretty huge cunt.
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>>157380466
Don't forget about >>157378712
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>>157380417
>>157380466
I guess he can handle the spot on 20.50.
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>>157380564
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>>157380322
>>157380466
I didn't want to change his level of deserving, and so I just went up the chart to where there was S space at 85D. I just think he really did suffer; he was stabbed, kidnapped, and at the end he was beaten to within an inch of his life. I'm not saying he didn't deserve it, but his suffering is more than a 5.
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>>157380539
He added a fair amount after the rubber and gum thing

>>157380508
He is pretty neutral and act as a good guy sometimes, 90-100 suffering 60-75 deserve
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>>157380353
Well, Ace is above Brook too. Should we swap them?

>>157380387
Done

>>157380383
But...but... we have a 100/100, isn't there another space for him?

>>157380424
How many blocks down?

>>157380443
Done

>>157380526
Couldn't he go in a free space?

>>157380539
How about Hisoka to 70D?
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>>157380546
>>157380466
Yea, I actually don't think Watashi deserves so much suffering. Move her down a peg maybe.
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Suffered: 65
Deserved: 60
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>>157380564
>>157380612
Don't you have a dead general in /jp/ to go?
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>>157380390
No you're saying some interesting things. I agree that giving someone eternal punishment is a terrible fate worse than death. But what about when your mind dies out? Witches explicitly die because they simply get bored. And Battler was starting to fade away wasn't he? When he was trapped. Logic errors might be less of an eternal imprisonment and more of an absolute death sentence.
>>157380564
Pitting Ange against Eva is probably her most egrigious act in my eyes, and I struggle to find a good moralization for it. Other than of course she needed Ange to push Battler. Otherwise he probably would have stopped thinking at ep 3~4.
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>>157380320
We should just make this anime-only.
The same shit happened when people tried to add Higurashi and Fate characters and give it 5 minutes to retarded meguca fanboys to appear claiming Homura deserves S100
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>>157380642
>Hisoka to 70D?


Everyone on HxH is a fucking psycho he is not that bad

Now I wonder where netero should be, he literally saved the entire humanity but he was a fucking psycho too
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>>157380642
>Anonymous 100/100
All is forgiven.
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>>157380642
Fixes these fucking squares. Goddamn how hard is it to fit a picture in a box?
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Any ideas where to place Mayor?
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>>157380617
Yeah, while I don't think his suffering to that high, I agree his placement on the chart is way too low. I guess Izaya could go at S30/D85 just fine.
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>>157380642
>>157380424

One block down and D level of 90
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>>157380642
>But...but... we have a 100/100

>>157380718
He died happy as fuck so 0 suffering
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>>157380642
>anon 100.100
Now, the chart is legitimate.
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>>157380642
>Anonymous 100/100
I thought this chart was serious
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>>157380705
Hisoka is pretty much a pedophile, deserves some suffering
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>>157380705
He don't saved a shit he just wanted to fight him
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Is Takano on chart? Can't find her.
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>>157380642
Swap anonymous with /a/
/out/ doesn't deserve to suffer.
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>>157380642
>anon S100 D100
I love you.
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>>157380546
>>157380649
Is S15/D30 enough?

>>157380553
Done

>>157380555
Done

>>157380617
What do you think about swaping him and Gendo?

>>157380652
...Which one of them

>>157380714
This will be the final version: >>157377254
This one is a sketch for me

>>157380711
Thank you I love you

>>157380705
High suffering and low deserve? He killed himself to save humanity
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>>157380642
>Well, Ace is above Brook too. Should we swap them?
Sounds good, but I think that Karin would still be too high. There's no good reason for her to be above people like Gaara, Kariya, Rem and Casshern.
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>>157380771
While we don't have a better option, this counts. Personally, I prefered /a/-tan to fit, but eh.
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>>157380815
> Which one of them
Takumi, not his imaginary waifu.
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>>157380678
So who on 100 actually got Eternal Punishment besides Diavolo?
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>>157380555
hard to tell how much he deserved it all. He killed a lot of people, but he was raised to.
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>>157380776
www.myanimelyst.com


>>157380815
Is this the face of a suffering guy?
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>>157380771

CWC is 100/100 for the /co/ chart. Have a better idea?
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>>157380799
There's already four character of that show, I said it's enough.
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>>157380815
>Is S15/D30 enough?
I don't see why people think she deserves to suffer.
This is the same shit as Yui.
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S: 100
D: 0
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Suffering: 15
Deserved: 30
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S 50
D 20
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>>157377210
why is kohaku's deserved it so high. wasn't she literally raped as a child
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>>157380815
Switch anonymous to /a/ pls
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>>157380815
I like >>157380721's idea of putting Izaya at S30/D85 but I see that's taken. Maybe put him just above Gendo at S20/D90. Or at S25/D80, whichever.
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>>157380815
Place netero where yamada is and put yamada in the 50+ deserve of suffering, that bitch, like all the working girls, deserve fire and rape
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>>157380815
This Binbogami for
Deserve: 30
Suffering:15
Homeless and slave to her job as a goddess of misfortune. Antics are annoying at most, but gets returned punishment multiple times harsher. Like Satan but with more misfortune.
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>>157380971
>dishonest, especially with you
>plots the murder of your family
>for no reason
She's a cunt
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>>157380981
/a/ is not a single person.
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>>157380971
She was planning to betray and kill uninvolved people though.
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suffering 90, deserve 30
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>>157380956
>>157381009
>two people want to put someone in 15:30
FIGHT
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>>157380815
S:50
D:20
A good guy to fill that gap.
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D:50
He starts a world war and kills over 80% of the enemy after they lost the will to fight because they were in his way. A lot of his guys get killed too.
Literally beats his waifu "to protect her"
Offset by him being right

S:40
His parents and friends don't know he exists, and he goes to a parallel world where they don't exist.
Is immortal and wanders the world for the rest of his life telling dickheads to not be dickheads because of his ideals.
Offset by being with his waifu
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>>157381017
>plots the murder of your family

when the family is descended from her childhood rapist and is comprised of literal monsters you're pretty justified. The rest of it is "I don't like this character". Should be reduced greatly without better reasons.
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>>157381069
30 is low for hikari
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>>157381078
Guy deserves that spot >>157380965
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>>157381023
neither is anonymous
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>>157381112
Anon, pls.
He is not /our guy/
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>>157381124
What are you talking about? I'm Anonymous.
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>>157381088
>when the family is descended from her childhood rapist and is comprised of literal monsters you're pretty justified
They're still inocent though
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S95
D35
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>>157381088
not to mention that this all occurs after her trauma, so I'm not sure how she "deserves it" retroactively.

Put Kohaku in 20D.
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>>157381088
Akiha deserves only headpats.
I like Kohaku but she was in the wrong. You can't justify a murder plot that was solely about self-gratification, revenge on somebody who didn't have anything to do with it.
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>>157380815
S:0
D:60
This fucking cat ruined my immersion multiple times and kept getting away with it.
I fucking hate him oh so much.
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>>157380718
0 Suffering and 70 deserve?

>>157380724
Done

>>157380771
While we don't have a memorable 100/100 character I guess this is alright

>>157380799
Where would you put her?

>>157380820
Done. Where would you put Karin?

>>157380848
But aren't all waifus imaginary?
Done

>>157380868
>Is this the face of a suffering guy?
I mean, exploding a nuclear bomb in your heart must hurt a little bit

>>157380890
I can remove her if you want, the SoL corner is crowded. The best slot available is S10/D20

>>157380956
>Deserved: 30
Uh... I don't think she deserved 30, anon

>>157380965
Done

>>157380971
Two wrongs don't make a right, don't you think?
Didn't she plan a murder too?
Well, where would you put her?

>>157380984
Done

>>157380991
Yamada on D50? are you sure? What did she even do
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>>157381180
yeah, until they murder someone. What would you have her do?

Anyway the game makes it clear that Kohaku's actions are largely a product of her trauma and disassociation. Saying she deserves her suffering because of them is completely backwards.
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>>157381069
Yukari-sensei has her moments of glory. At least more than Momiji.
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>>157380815
Seeing as noone replied to you earlier I personally feel Ichise from Texhnolyze didnt exactly deserve anything that happened to him as everyone in the show was fucked from the beginning. Though seeing the use of the D-axis with other characters on the chart you could also say he sort of deserved it for being used like a dog and only finding purpose when it was too late. So I dont know, probably beside squealer as he's definitely S:100
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>>157379667
Ichise didn't deserve it at all. If you didn't have people already there I would've put him in 2 or 3.
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>>157381250
>But aren't all waifus imaginary?
Takumi's is literal. She's imaginary inside the anime.
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>>157381250
how about 15:20 for Yukari Sensei then?
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>>157381163
>>157381250
>I can remove her if you want, the SoL corner is crowded. The best slot available is S10/D20
Yeah just remove her.
Giving Watashi a higher deserving ratio is just dumb. She did nothing wrong (no meme).
Guess >>157380649 anon agrees as well.
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Deserved: 65
Suffered: 20

Didn't really suffer as much as he spent a decade pining over a 10 year old boy and then got BTFO. His suffer is definitely not on caliber with Light, at the very least.
Deserves high for being a serial murderer of little girls. He should be higher on deserved but spots are filled desu.
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>>157381250
Suffered: 0
Deserved: 70
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>>157381285
>>157381291
I feel Ran would be the best representative for Texhnolyze and for S:100 D:0 since she was born with a power to see a future she was frightened of and tried her best to change fate but couldnt stop the inevitable and was royally fucked in the end, though admittedly I dont know who the guy currently on the spot is.
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>>
Shishio

S: 70
D: 75
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>>157381250
>Satou more deserving than Misaki
>Some guy who made a few wrong turns and became a Hikki vs Someone who's true intentions were to essentially keep him there forever so she could feel better about herself
???
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>>157381250
Is KnK Shiki anywhere on the list, She could be 85 suffering, 25 deserves
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>>157381250
>Two wrongs don't make a right, don't you think?

No they don't, but Kohaku would have no reason to seek revenge if Makihisa hadn't raped her as a child, effectively destroying her ability to empathize with other people, including the rest of the Tohno family.
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>>157381250
>>157381350
Don't know what was the argument for Uzuki, but I think Watashi would be better for deserve:0, suffer:20. She was born into a world that's basically going into the shitters, but at least she's living it out decently enough.
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>>157381416
You do make a great point but I sort of feel Ran's indifference to it all at the end sort of negates her suffering in some way. Idk.

Onishi's side girl is straight up 100/0 though. Poor girl.
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S:105
D: 0
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>>157381250
Who is that at S:30|D:80?
Kanon's MC?
Rock?
Generic-harem-anime-lead #088?
I really can't tell.
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>>157381416
I agree with this, the way she died was absurd.
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where would you put saya?
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>>157381063
I added her, but what happened to her for the 90S?


>>157381078
Already filled, sorry

>>157381083
How about S60/D40?
S40/D50 is filled

>>157381181
If nobody disagrees with this, I'll add. Haven't watched Elfen Lied

>>157381241
How about D35? He's just a poor pet

I moved Hisoka in the deserve line, only 30D for murders is insanely low

>>157381285
Done

>>157381291
Sorry, but the 0D part is full, I put him on S100 next to Squealer

>>157381324
I want one too

>>157381336
Good, done.

>>157381350
Removed.
If anyone wants her back just let me know

>>157381352
>Serial murderer
I put him on S5/D85 for being a murdered, is that ok?

>>157381388
oh stop he doesn't deserve the same as a murderer
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>>157381481
But anon, if we're to consider LN spoilers like Indexfags,
She's a fairy. So she's among her peers and doing the respectable job of repopulating Earth by /ss/ means
Though I'd agree on that placement if we consider the bullying she suffered on childhood and the stuff she goes through.
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>>157381577
S:55-60 D:50
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>>157381250
Hisoka should be at least 80D. Bazukou should be no more than 40D, he is just a fucking school bully.
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>>157381603
>How about D35? He's just a poor pet
As long as he deserves it.
Fucking cat.
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>>157381603
>The 0D part is full, so I put him at 40D
That's quite the jump you've done there, don't you think?
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D:40 (tries to kill Yugi and friends)
S: 60
Orphan, stepdad was a maniac, Experience of Death and Mind Crush, wake up from a coma and some American faggot is trying to take over his company and kidnaps his brother and steals their souls, has better cards and doesn't clean win against rival in 4 attempts, rival gets beaten by his vessel and fucks off to the afterlife, goes to the fucking afterlife to duel his rival (and will probably lose)
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>>157381603
I feel Ichise didn't deserve it that much, I'd be happier with him in the place of that guy from Shin Angyo Onshi.
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>>157381667
Yeah I noticed that
How about I put him on S100/D10 and every character go 1 to the rigth?

(This thread is going too fast for me, fuck)
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>>157377210
>Hare
>deserving any suffering
You are all fucking monsters. I hope Shoe gives you aids.
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>>157381603
Add shou tucker
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S: 35
D: 25
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>>157381710
>>157381717
this
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Kek
It's funnier just coming in these threads to see where Slaine is now.
He was originally S:50 D:50, then S:65 D:45
Look where the poor guy is now.
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>>157381717
You can't simply make Guts deserving of his suffering my dude.
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>>157381603
>How about S60/D40? S40/D50 is filled
I was talking about the one above the red haired girl, i guess that's S45/D50
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>>157381717
Sounds good, you should probably Agni two spots to the left while you are at it. Guy is almost a saint, and deserved absolutely nothing that happened to him.
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>>157378746
>>157378932
Kou is a shit
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>>157381603
Hisoki is still lower than Ika musume and on the same level as a school bully, wut?
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S:25
D:85
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We need more people for top right.
How about this?

D:75
S:85
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>>157381437
What happened to him for the S70 though?

>>157381443
Do you want to swap them?

>>157381467
Can you post an image for me to use? Thanks

>>157381478
How about S50/D65 then?

>>157381481
How about S10/D0 (Above Chiyo)

>>157381525
Isn't he from Bible Black? Taki Minase I think
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>>157381769
>tfw Umaru never left her spot >>157298976
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>>157381896
I think Satou and Misaki should be swapped, yeah

Misaki even suffered more than he did IIRC
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Put him to the left of the character from Osomatsu at the bottom.
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S: 0
D: 85
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>>157381887
>S:85
Way too high, she should be no more than S60.
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>>157381896
I think S10, D0 is fair. >>157381624 might have different opinions though.

Fuck, the LN isn't translated is it? Well, I guess I gotta just learn the language.
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Suffering 15
Deserved 65
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>>157381250
Thx, Here is better pics for ToAru characters slots. Starting with Touma.
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>>157381653
Done

>>157381661
Done

>>157381709
That spot is taken, how about S45/D50?

>>157381725
WHERE

>>157381735
Added (I think he deserved more tho)

>>157381780
Done

>>157381857
Fixed Ika
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>>157381896

Shishio? Betrayed by his government allies, burns over his entire body, shot in the head, lost his dreams of an empire to a moralfag.
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S: 25
D: 95
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>>157382099
And Misaka. I already sent a good one for Accel last thread.
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>>157381437
>>157382127
Added

>>157381887
>>157381964
S60/D75 is enough?

>>157381931
Nobody disagrees with this?

>>157381941
Done, but why did he deserve it?

>>157381955
Done

>>157382049
Done, but why the high deserve?

>>157382099
>>157382151
Thank you!

>>157382137
Zambot? nice, added.
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I dunno... 30/30?
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>>157382121
D95
S: somewhere around the 60s.
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>>157382121
>That spot is taken, how about S45/D50?
The one under Archer D45 S65, seeing as you've moved that guy now
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>>157382316
>S60/D75 is enough?
Eh, sounds fair. Ange faced some bullshit but not as bad as others considering she ended up fine with a complete harem and all
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>>157381881
Forgot Shoko
S:25-30
D:80-85
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>>157382316
Suiryu should move to the left. He is a dick, but putting him in the tier as mass murderer like Hisoka or Kars is crazy.
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>>157382316
Bottom left: Slice of Life
Bottom right: Assholes
Top left: Cry corner
Top right: Good villains

I'm liking this chart
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>>157382430
is the center the neutral area?
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>>157382430
>Top right: Good villains
>Anonymous
>a good villain
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>>157382420
>>157382316
Forgot this one

She had more suffering than that though, no?
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>>157382453
Center: Complex Characters
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>>157382511
>Master Asia is the 50/50
Truly the most complex character there is.
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>>157382316
Why is Yuuji there twice?
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>>157382480
>implying

>>157382453
>Center: Deserved it
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Add him
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>>157382316
S80
D80
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>>157382511
>Rem
>Lubbock
Not quite.
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How about the guy from Phoenix vol.2 that was forced to live alone on a planet for billions of years after watching his world collapse and his lover killed? That's gotta be 100 on suffering. Can't quite remember how much he had to do with society's collapse though.
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>>157382428
fuck off suiryufag
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>>157377210
Homura needs to be moved up one space.
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>>157382683
What makes Rem not complex? I'd be happy to hear you out. and provide my rebuttal.
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shion is a good girl dindu nuffin
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>D: 95
Akane
This your own opinion anon or someone suggested it to you ?
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>>157377210
Why is Megumin on the same suffering level as the girl who died a slow death at a young age?
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>>157381931
Nobody disagreed, so changed.

>>157382325
Done

>>157382333
No space on D95, I put him on S65/D85, is that ok?

>>157382375
Done

>>157382415
Done

>>157382484
Added but with another pic
Why is the D so high though?

>>157382598
Oh shit, where

>>157382625
Added, but why S80?

>>157382428
True, I'll move him a little bit to the left
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>>157383018
>>157382970
this. move the ghost girl up.
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>>157381931
I was thinking about this for a while too, didn't Satou only even suffer that much partly because of Misaki fucking with him in first place? There's no way he deserved it more than her.
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>>157382970
Megumin deserves her ranking, Yuuko is the one who's too low.
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>>157381481
Are you still here? Since the other anon didn't answer, can you give me a good Watashi pic for the chart?

>>157382840
We had a long discussion last thread about Homura's position... Why do you think she deserves to go up? (It starts here: >>157341278)

>>157382960
I only put 1 character myself, and nobody complained about it yet.
Do you think Akane shouldn't deserve so much?

>>157382970
One anon was arguing that because >>157316180 happened she should be high. Maybe we should higher the girl with a slow death then?
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>>157383018
>Added, but why S80?
He was born a ghoul, had his mom abandoned him when he was young, was later captured and tortured for a long ass time, to the point where he was completely destroyed mentally. And on top of that he had his back slowly eaten by a guy and stabbed to death soon after.
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>>157383018
Add Saya >>157381647
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>>157383192
Oh, alright
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>>157383202
Done

Remember guys, if you have a better pic of the character for the final chart (this one is the sketch) please give me
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>>157382316
you're welcome mate.
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>>157382917
I haven't read the light novel, so maybe you'll disregard. But essentially I see her as a very one dimensional character, especially after she falls head over heel for Subaru. From what I see, she's only ever in one mode, which is "I will do anything and everything for Subaru." There's no internal turmoil about what to do or what's right or what's wrong. All she does is suck off Subaru's tits even after being rejected, and that's what I feel she will continue to do no matter what. Just there to protect Subaru because she loves him unconditionally for some reason. Rem was a much better character before she became part of the harem, but she played right into the "MC is a nice guy so I gotta suck his dick" archetype. Still better than anime Emilia at least, but I heard that changes in the LN; however, I don't enjoy Re;Zero enough to find out.
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>>157383151
No, she was a horrible person in a cast of shitty characters, she was not a murderer or something and didn't force anyone to do anything they didn't want to do. She also developed greatly.
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>all of the 0S spots are taken
Then where the hell are we supposed to put Helck? He's floating somewhere around 50 suffering, maybe a bit more, but if anyone were to have a deserved score in the negatives it's him.
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>>157383356
>all of the 0S
>around 50 suffering
then the no space on 0S shouldn't be a problem!
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>>157383335
>No
>she was a horrible person
Anon I didn't understand your answer
Where do you think she should be?
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>>157383478
He means that she was a bad person but doesn't deserve suffering as much as murderers and the like.
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>>157383285
Is it even possible to fill the middle of the S100 line? I don't know any character with S100/D30-60
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>>157383518
How about Akane on D55 then?
I'll move the girl from Hero Academy to D70 since she IS a murderer
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>>157382840
homura suffered less than guts but should be moved to the left a bit

>>157383018
move squealer to 90/40
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>>157383527
perhaps we could use /co/'s as an example?

The issue is characters who suffer eternal punishments like Diavolo are also up there so they have to compare with that
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>>157383584
>move squealer to 90/40
Wasn't pain inflicted on every cell of Squealer's body?
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>>157383605
But /co/ is icky.
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>>157383392
I fucked that up, meant to say 0 deserved, would've suggested a higher suffering score but his deep wounds have begun to heal as of late and his soul is filled with determination and hope so about 50 seems appropriate everything considered.
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>>157383627
yeah but not for that long, characters in the 95-100 range are tormented for decades

he had a bad life but not that bad
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>>157383627
More than that, actually. His nerve were messed up so he could feel even more pain than what should be normally possible. The notion that he is anything but S100 is crazy.
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S: 40
D: 85
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why is subaru only 85 suffering
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>>157383285
>Kars only 80% deserving
What's the justification?
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>>157383478
S: 30
d: 50
Or remove her altogether.
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>>157383720
Sparing a few people.
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What about this guy?
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>>157383720
poor guy, he just wanted to evolve
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85/85 here
Maybe less deserving?
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>>157383813
>S85 what

>>157383720
I think he should go to D85
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>>157383151
>>157383285
This good enough for Watashi?
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>>157383527
>>157383674
/co/'s 100s, based on who I recognize
>Dies several times a season, lives in a poor home with parents who just try to get by
>Rocket, but I don't know the full details of his story
>Squidward, a failed artist who works as a cashier spending every day of eternity being tormented by his neighbors, usually for their amusement without them intending on being malicious
>Rick, a man who wanted to get acknowledged for his job and loved while he has to watch Homer get all the fame and attention to the point where he has a mental breakdown
>Wolverine, an immortal mutant subject to a whole lot of shit
>Guy Fawkes, who I forget all but lead a really shitty life
>Hulk dunno
>Tails Gets Trolled Porky, who had watched his wife and son get shot right in the head and took his own life from the sheer despair of their deaths and the troll's action, on top of giving himself to a Satanic cult
>The kid from Pinnochio who became a mule and works in coal mines
>Facilier whois suffering an eternity in the underworld
>Farquaad who got eaten alive by a dragon and is still alive in there
>Yosemite Sam who never gets anything and is always angry
>CWC who is a bad person in real life and a complete tyrant who paints himself a hero in the comics

Some are all over the place but they have the general idea.
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>ika
>0 suffering

but she is practically a slave, gets bullied/abused constantly and humiliated because can't invade shit
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>>157383896
Ika gets along with her family pretty well though, even Sae at times
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>>157383877
>>Hulk dunno
Isn't that Hulk the one that lived in the universe where earth was conquered by giant ants?
He would be eaten alive everyday but since he has high regeneration he would come back to life just to be eaten again, eternally
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>>157383705
>>157383627
But he was put out of his misery fairly quickly.
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>>157383877
>Anime: The guy suffered for centuries/eternity
>Cartoon: He works as a cashier

Hm
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>>157384009
Squidward is more that he also had his dreams broken and is subject to the torment of Spongebob, Patrick, and Krabs almost daily. He can't even dream of success in his sleep, lest Spongebob invades that too

Yeah he'd be lower on an /a/ suffering chart but I'm not /co/ m8
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>>157384009
the existential and psychological terror of squidward's meaningless life is worse than any physical pain
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>>157383285
You should move Tomoko and Snake to the left. They shouldn't be on the same tier as mass murderers like Ali, Esdeath or Geist.
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S:0
D:75-80

The only villain i know of that literally got away with everything and accomplished all his goals,
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>>157383999
He had a shitty life even before the torture, did you forget that he was almost killed by his mother for trivial shit in the beginning of the anime? He also died knowing that he lost the chance to win freedom for his people, and doomed his tribe, and probably whole race, to be slaves forever, on the absolutely best case scenario.
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>>157383584
>homura suffered less than guts but should be moved to the left a bit
Is everyone here OK with Homura being moved one square to the left? If so, I'll change it (People usually get mad when I move Homura/Guts/Touma/Subaru/Shinji)

>>157383708
Added

>>157383720
I can put him on D85 if you want

>>157383813
S85? But isn't he a cyborg?

>>157383861
added

>>157384155
I moved Snake/Tomoko/Goku and 2 girls to the left a bit. They didn't belong in the 80D+ with the murderers
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>>157384255
>They didn't belong in the 80D+ with the murderers
but goku is a murderer
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Where does this guy go?
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>>157384304
isn't he already in D95/S95?
we should move him down, he didn't suffer that much and neither deserved it
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>>157384255
>Is everyone here OK with Homura being moved one square to the left? If so, I'll change it (People usually get mad when I move Homura/Guts/Touma/Subaru/Shinji)
i would move her further (the only things she did wrong were in the anime when she ignored/tried to kill sayaka) but you won't get a consensus on that
>>
Was it really necessary to include all megucas in this thing?
c'mon /a/, you know more anime than that.
Add some muvluv, Nanoha, outlaw star, macross, ga-rei characters to this thing.
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>>157384255
Move yuuko kanoe up. She was beaten and left for dead, then she had to wander around as a ghost for decades then fell in love with a human and disappeared afterward
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>>157384335
He killed at least 5 million people. Gentru killed a couple hundreds and is a D100.
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>>157384155
>>157383285
Actually, yea there are some disproportionate stuff in here. Momoka shouldn't be 100 deserve and 20 suffer. 40 deserve, 20 suffer is better.
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>>157384255
One last time for the road
S: 5
D: 70
Really, this cunt deserved more pain
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Shouldn't Aizen be way up there
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>>157384255
>>
This is a mess, everyone is going to argue about who should be where instead of finalizing anything.
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>>157384335
Trying to become God is the greatest sin.
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>>157384232
Added

>>157384351
Alright, moved 1 square.
Last time I moved more than one there was a 50+ post discussion about what Homura did

>>157384354
If you recommend a character with a image I'll add!

>>157384377
Do you think the 55S line is enough for her? The characters there seem to have suffered like her

>>157384395
Uh yeah, moved.

>>157384408
Added

>>157384424
I think I know which image you're talking about, and that's not Aizen. He's not in the chart yet
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>>157384255
you should use a picture of homu from the very end of rebellion featuring one of her exhausted-by-life faces
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>>157384377
Not to mention she was betrayed by her sister who she was trying to protect.
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>>157384393
But he didn't even know the value of a human being's life. He wasn't evil, just a curious and powerful being

>>157384428
Finding a good place for Homura will be already a victory
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>>157384557
>Do you think the 55S line is enough for her? The characters there seem to have suffered like her
yeah that sounds good
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>>157384255
D70
S50
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>>157384607
>Finding a good place for Homura will be already a victory
In the garbage.
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>>157384649
This
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>>157384607
>But he didn't even know the value of a human being's life
So what? He should be judged by what he did, and not by what it meant for him.
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>>157384408
He is like Squealer. Sato is hero for Ajins.
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>>157384557
>If you recommend a character with a image I'll add!
If it's still incomplete by tomorrow I can help filling gaps.
Though I'm not sure the Touma/Homura folk will ever let this be finished.
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>>157384557
I would move Geist to where Gentru is right now, and move Gentru to the left.
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>>157384354
I don't think Mami is in this thing

Although she should be, but most of the good spaces for her are taken.

She's in the 40-60 area for suffering and 20-40 area for Deserving, but most of those spots are taken.
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>>157384354
>>157384776
i don't see madoka either. she'd be hard to place and the left side is pretty filled up
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>>157384577
Do you have a good pic? That one is kinda blurry

>>157384646
Changed

>>157384648
Added

>>157384740
>Though I'm not sure the Touma/Homura folk will ever let this be finished.
Oh god, please don't say that
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>>157384799
>i don't see madoka either. she'd be hard to place
S90 D25 is free how about that one
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>>157384880
it depends on how you interpret the ending

both are too high i think
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>>157384768
Like this?
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>>157384811
uhhhhhh why is the girl from bitter virgin with S85?
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>>157384937
try adding WIXOSS into the graph
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>>157384937
D80
S65
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>>157384937
Can you move up the girl from grave of the fireflies?

I would like to see her at the top-left corner but move her up as much as possible
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>>157384811
I'll post a couple I think would be better.
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>>157377210
Gintama Shouyou sensei
S 100
D 40
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>>157385071
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>>157385111
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>>157385111
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S: 20-25
D: 85-90
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>>157385138
any of these basically (I'm partial to 5 for the thousand-yard stare)
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>fortuna at deserved 100

He did nothing wrong.
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>>157384981
I just read the summary and I don't think she should be there uh, does anyone disagree?

>>157385016
Where would you put one of the characters?

>>157385061
Added

>>157385067
I could put her up 2 blocks, anyone against it?

>>157385071
>>157385111
>>157385127
>>157385138
Woah! Thanks. It'll go in the final chart

>>157385101
I can add her/him, but why the S100?
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>>157385210
He is born just to suffer and can't die.
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>>157383327
This is going to take awhile to type

Rem does have other interests other than Subaru and the make-up of her character also contain many other things other than Subaru, while her boyfriend is a nice chunk of her life she still peruses other interests and hobbies, such as Diaz, Liliana, cult members, magic, being a habitual mother-figure for Beatrice and whatnot, noting that she has the monst hobbies and interest in the other cast other than the MC. I don't get the idea of her having one mode of "I will do anything and everything for Subaru." since she is the strictest, most shittalking and manhandling person of Subaru in the entire series, similar of Subaru is for Rem. While she does try to protect Subaru many times she has also shown concern over the Arlam Village, hunting down the cultists who got her village and Ram, which she has fought to the death over, there was a scene in arc 3 which they didn't include where Rem was guarding a small shack full of children from said cultists. The problem about the inner turmoil art is that she has entire chapter filled monolouges about stuff which can't be shown unless you want to spend 10 minutes looking at text.
There are also many other moments where is is torn between decisions during arc 3 and arc 2, due to half being her own interest and half for Subaru's. Other than that while she does love Subaru unconditionally its kind of hard not to when Subaru shown that same degree back, they just never showed it not did they not show Subaru's inner monologue was to why he rejected Rem in episode 18, but it doesn't matter now since Subaru confessed to her twice and went in for a kiss but that's another topic. Also Rem never liked Subaru because he was a nice guy, it was because she was parts of her in him, and they were in common ground with each other and helped solve each other's problems. Also:

>Rem was a much better character before she became part of the harem
>Re:Zero
>Harem

Triangle at best
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>>157385016
>>157385210

Add >>157385163
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>>157385210
You'll have to move on to jpg very very soon.
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>>157385210
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkXNpLB9zvM
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>>157385163
>>157385275
>>157385329
Added, will post it soon.

>>157385305
True. Almost at 4MB
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Where do you think Lucy belongs? Been ages since I saw the anime. I don't think she deserved any of her pain.
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S: 75-80
D: 40-45
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>>157385210
>Casshern
Someone explain to me why Casshern is so low on the deserved scale?
Nigga fucked up the whole entire world.
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>>157385427
not of his own free will.
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>>157384880
Yeah because 4 characters from the same franchise aren't enough already.
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>>157385492
madoka also suffered less than everyone else in that show (except maybe mami), no point in including her.
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Since nobody said anything about the fireflies request, I did it.

>>157385423
Added
What happened for the S75 though?

anddd I have to use jpg now
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Where'd this guy fit? Also how the fuck do we fill the rest of top row? I can't for the life of me think of any S: 100 characters with high deserve.
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>>157385569
Are you not familiar with the count of montecristo?
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Place him.
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>>157385569
>>157385423
>cucked by his best bro, who eventually married his waifu
>sentenced to life imprisonment on false charges
>sold his soul to a demon since revenge was the only thing he had left in life
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>>157385569
You need to watch more anime, OP.
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>>157385587
Me neither, we have to really dig deep and most characters don't even go that far right on the scale.
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>>157385587
>I can't for the life of me think of any S: 100 characters with high deserve.

I'd argue for putting QB in s 100: Rebellion implies he's holding all of the universe's curses, meaning all of the negative emotional energy which would have been dispersed in countless witches across time is concentrated in him.
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>>157385569
Alice Baskervile
S: 90
D:0
This brings so many feels.
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>>157385721
stop requesting filled spots
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>>157385721
her twin
Will of the Aybss
S:90
D: 10
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We could easily fill the lower part, we just need to find some assholes that weren't punished
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>>157385710
the real question is how much we think he deserved it. if we're sticking to 100 then I'd argue for s:100 d:90 (unless you want to remove anon).
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>>157385759
Abyss*
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>>157385761
Literally every annoying mascot from children's shows.
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>>157385766
Putting him next to anon sounds good to me
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>>157385741
it's already filled, shit she deserved this spot more than the Fireflies girl
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>>157385794
>annoying mascot
We should at least reserve 80+D for murderers and rapists
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>>157385832
>Umaru
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>>157385818
firefly girl deserves the top-left
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>>157385850
I mean, all the 4 corners are pretty much meme slots
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>>157385853
No fucking way. She shouldn't be there with people that are LITERALLY dying horrible deaths for all the eternity.
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>>157385759
Then we change D: 20 here
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>>157385761
Kawai from Koe no Katachi
She's such a bitch that I have no pictures of her
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>>157385874
yuuko isn't a meme fuck you
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>>157385797
This, Kyuubey is probably the one non-meme character who deserves what he got more than Diavolo, since Diavolo at least didn't primarily target teenage girls for thousands and thousands of years
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>>157385907
What is the picture you want for S90 D20?
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Where should we put her?
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>>157385971
In the trash bin
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>>157385569
Oz
S:100
D: 10 or 20
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>>157385910
What did she do?
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>>157385971
S:0
D:65
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>>157385971
she's too complicated of a character, can't figure it out.
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>>157386014
emonzaemon died though. He was her Shichika.
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Alright OP here:

>>157385928
Does anyone disagree with this? If not, I'll change it.

>>157385983
That slot is full, how about S90/D25?

>>157385910
Kawai for S0/D60?

>>157385971
>>157386014
Is 0S/D65 good enough for this?

Remember that I only stop with disagreements, since it's easy to "samefag" to put a character in a slot
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>>157377210
Is Yuki Nagato not being considered for this? Or is she there and I just completely missed it?
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is lain on the chart
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>>157385938
Will of the Abyss
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>>157386078
High suffering low deserving fields are mostly taken.
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>>157386078
S75/D20
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I'd say Elder Toguro s100 d80
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>>157386064
>Kawai for S0/D60?
Go for it
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>>157386064
Fine by me for OZ slot, he did do things now that I recall.
Where can we put Alice Baskerville though?
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>>157386064
Well I disagree that hitei didn't suffer at all and that she deserved it that much (people are generally mad at her because she pals around with the guy whose GF she killed). Need someone who actually knows a lot about katanagatari to explain Hitei's motivations though (it's arguable she was trying to save Togame??)
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>>157386098
S65/D25

>>157386109
Alright I'll add her.
Isn't she on S80/D45? or just a character that looks like her
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>>157386021
>>157386051
I'd say she deserves around 55. The suffering is kinda hard to judge.
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>>157386078
Next to Trunks? Isn't that her?
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So is this scale going from 0-95 or 5-100? It can't be 0-100 because the chart would have to be 21x21.
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>>157386159
Alright, I won't add her for now

wait so now we have >>157386109 and >>157385983
for the same slot
Can we put one of them on S85/D30?
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>>157386207
5-100
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>>157386078
>>157386098
They are both in
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>>157386167
No it's a different character
>>157386222
Ok then, considering Will stayed in the Abyss all that time and lost everything put her in 100. However OZ very existence was a lie so he must be in 100 as well somewhere.
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>>157385853
DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE REMOVING YUUKO FROM THAT SPOT.
I'll hunt you down like the maggot you are and empty two mags of FREEDOM from a RPD LMG into your ass.
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>>157386347
don't forget to move qb
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>>157386347
Just curious, but will there be a link for the finished, non-jpeg version eventually?
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we need a shuzo oshimi or inio asano character on here
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>>157386424
oh duh I forgot
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>>157386367
who is she and where is she from?
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>>157386347
I see Panty on there, but not Stocking. Am I missing her? She definitely deserves it way more than her sister. In fact, I'm not sure why Panty is that high up. If Stocking isn't there can I request she be put in Panty's spot and for panty to be moved to the left of Bert? At the very least Panty deserves it less than Haruhi.
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>>157386452
Yes. Here's the link for the final version that I updated with the sketch yesterday
http://i.imgur.com/QBK5xWC.png

>>157386518
Panty is not there. If nobody disagrees with this I'll change it, 1 second.
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After we fill in all the blanks, we should probably compare characters by rows and columns. Some things don't look exactly right.
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>>157386347
Q: who suffered more between Hanekawa and Sodachi (taking account of both of their home lives)
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>>157377210
I don't see Madoka herself on this list. Where would she be?
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>>157386465
Let's get my boy Dr. Ver up here
(85D, 45S)
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>>157386605
">Pick a character
>Do they suffer more than the character below but less than the character above?
>Do they deserve it more than the character to the left but less than the character to the right?
>If yes to both, character is placed correctly in relation with its neighbors
>If not, change accordingly

Then keep going until the chart starts making sense. Ideally, considering characters belong to different genres, suffering would be relative to the character and should be valued on how much of a big deal it is for him/her, but that's never going to be a perfect system."

We were doing this in the last threads, this thread had more requests than comparisons though
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>>157386625
I'd say Math suffered more, but it's hard to compare their suffering.
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>>157386656
There are already way too many characters from her franchise
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>>157386656
she suffers less than any of the other megukas so I don't know if there's a point in putting her on it. It's also really hard to tell whether some of the things that happen to her (becoming the loc, being split by akuhomu) constitute suffering.
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>>157386699
I only see two. Homura and QB. And you could ditch any other to put Madoka herself in there.
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>>157386736
Kyoko and Sayaka are there too, that's 4 from one franchise.
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>>157386625
>>157386693
Yea, I'd say that Sodachi suffered more counting the fact that cat's suffering ended sooner.
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>>157386699
Get rid of the Naruto characters then, you fucking Narutard.

Why does there need to be 3 Naruto characters.
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>>157386765
I say ditch one of them for Madoka herself.
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>>157386736
4 actually. Let's not start adding too much characters of the same franchise.
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is satoru from nhk on here
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>>157386774
There doesn't, and there also doesn't need to be 5 madoka characters.
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>>157386774
Gee, maybe it's because it's one of the most prominent franchises ever?
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>>157386802
Under Ed from FMA
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>>157386796
I agree. I'd be quite happy to get rid of both, freeing up a slot for a character from a different franchise besides madoka herself.
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>>157386685
This is going to take fucking forever, isn't it? But it's the only way to make it right.
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>>157386774
I'm not the fucking OP asshole, and if you had any brains you'd realize she doesnt belong anywhere not taken
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Why is Sakura (Naruto) 75D by the way? She isn't a murder or anything like that
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>>157386772
But wasn't the height of Sodachi's suffering actually the period before and after her mother's death? While sodachi was living alone Hanekawa was living in the hallway being woken up by a roomba.
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Kamille Bidan, right below Master Asia.
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>>157386465
Why is Akane Tsunemori so high up?
I mean, Slaine loses everything, gets tortured and has permanent scars, has like 3 happy moments in the anime and spends the rest of his life locked up and suicidal.
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we should remove homura and put madoka in her place
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>>157386796
Since when was there a rule to this anyways Madoka is still one of the most popular franchises from this decade, like how Jojo and DBZ are still eternally popular, the amount is deserved, unless you really want a 20x20 to be filled with characters from 400 franchises.

Also Danganronpa is at 4 but no one has said a word about it
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>>157386861
We just need to fill up the board first.
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>>157386910
homura's suffering was made for this chart though. Seeing everyone she ever cared for dying over and over and then eventually snapping and making herself into satan is something that you can't just leave off of a chart like this.
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>>157386871
Because D is more dependant on how much we want a character to suffer, which has to do more with how hatable they are. Everyone hates Sakura.
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>>157386948
Bottom left is all filled though.
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>>157386903
You make a good point. She should probably be moved down.
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>>157386910
absolutely not. Madoka barely suffered in comparison.
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>>157386913
Fuck off. If popular = more slots the entire fucking chart would be filled by Bleach, One Piece, and Naruto characters.
>>157386989
This guy is right.
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Madokafag, she doesnt really have a place in this chart considering her suffering doesnt compare to the rest of the megucas, and as >>157386730 says is very hard to judge.
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>>157386887
Added
>>157386871
Yeah, Sakura didn't belong there, fixed it.
If you guys want Sakura back on 75D just let me know
She isn't a murderer though
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>>157387026
Popular on /a/. Which the Big 3 are not.
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>>157386903
>>157386986
Where should she be moved to?

>>157387032
Where?
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>>157387097
Swap her with the girl from Emergence who is at 45 30
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>>157386913
Can we not add characters just cause they're our waifus? if representation is all you wanted then Homu, QB, Sayaka, and Kyoko are more than enough.
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Is there a Rei on the chart? I suppose she might be hard to place since there are multiple reis.
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>>157387054
S0
D90
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Who's the girl in topright?
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>>157387138
I wasn't talking about adding more Madoka characters, I was just saying more relevant franchises are going to get more characters. Also to point out Danganronpa has 4 and no one is giving that any shit despite Madoka having the same amount.

>>157387153
There being multiple Reis makes her pretty tough, since they can't all collectively be treated as one Rei
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>>157387054
Does the ghost girl Yuuko suffer that much?
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>>157387097
mm the entire left side where she would belong is pretty filled up. I guess you could argue a lot of Reki's suffering is due to her own bull-headedness though.

Probably belongs in 15D, 30S. Barring that...move kokuto down one, put her in 30d/20s.
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>>157387128
Done

>>157387153
No Rei yet

>>157387158
Added
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>>157387201
>Danganronpa has 4 and no one is giving that any shit
Because no one is trying to add more Danganronpa characters.
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Wait, Danganronpa has an anime?
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>>157386498
You cannot be serious.
Go away from this website and only return after you've watched more than 20 anime.
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>>157387264
DR3, it was a hell of a ride last summer and you missed out.
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>>157387201
You've got a point. Maybe it's best that we just stay away from Rei.
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>>157387211
Everyone ok with kokuto being moved 1 down?
If nobody disagrees, I'll do it.
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Where's Ueno?
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>>157387211
can use this
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>>157387298
Kokuto loses an eye, waited a couple of years for his waifu to wake up from a coma and is from a grim source materail, but Uzuki spends a few weeks depressed and she'd be above him in that case
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>>157387264
3 different anime. DR1, and 2 different DR3 anime.
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>>157387054
I still think Alice should take the place of Fireflies girl. Alice lost her memories, was hated , and literally killed herself with a scissor, then turned to a Chain beast and went to Abyss.
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>>157387318
She deserves my dick, not suffering.
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So is it fair to say that everyone on the like S=D got what they deserved?
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>>157387346
You're disregarding the emotional lives of the two characters though. Through everything Kokuto remains well-adjusted and he ends up with the love of his life. Most of haibane renmei is Reki stewing in venomous self-hatred.
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>>157387360
And stayed in Abyss until god knows when Oz reached her.
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>>157387378
That's the intention at least. Whether it's true or not is entirely subjective.
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>>157387330
Too late, I used the big one and messed up the chart, but already fixed it

>>157387318
Where would she be?
>>157387346
Hm, true. Should we swap Uzuki S15?
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>>157387402
I mean, I like Uzuki, but she also fulfills her dream and becomes an idol and most of her life is happy.
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>>157387440
I'm honestly not sure about 15 comparing her to the other characters in that row. Maybe this is fine.
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>>157387440
Maybe Ueno should be left of Panty?
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>>157385284
Perhaps, but I think we just see the same character through different lenses. I honestly think she's terrible and hate her with some autistic passion. You gotta admit that a lot of Rem-rinfaggots are the worst type of faggots though.

>triangle
Yea, but there are a couple of girls that only need a little more push to become his bitch.
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>>157387402
like, I'd argue pretty confidently that Reki's breakdown at the end of Haibane involves more suffering that Kokuto's scar or anything else that happens to him. The whole point of his character is his ability to deal with heinous shit and keep his chin up/soul steady.
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>>157387346
>>157387402
>>157387445
I upped the 2 above Kokuto and put Reki where he was, what do you think?
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>>157387445
oh sorry I thought you were talking about reki for some reason.
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>>157387508
What did she do to deserve 50?
How about next to aqua?
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How is it possible that there isn't a single keion on this chart?
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>>157387615
we filled the SoL corner too fast
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>>157387615
Because the bottom-left filled up quickly, dummy.
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>>157387615
Because when Yui was on the chart before everyone threw a hissy fit for some reason
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>>157387591
She's a bully and an all round bad person.
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>>157387536
Move Will of the Aybss to S:100 D: 30
Also what do you think about >>157387360
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Just noticed Taiga (Toradora) isn't in the chart
should we add her?
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>>157387536
Did Kiritsugu and the girl from Katanagatari suffer as much as Sakura and more than Archer? I think they're too high up.
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>>157387536
I think reki should be above kokuto, don't know about the other characters.
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>>157387637
>>157387648
Shouldn't characters from the most beloved SoL of all time get priority?
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>>157387615
There's no suffering in a keion's world
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>>157387690
I think Togame is too high but I don't think Kerry is. It's also a bit hard to tell how much Togame suffered, in that most of her few emotionally transparent moments are moments where she's expressing happiness at the chance to be with Shichika.
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>>157387265
Are you talking about Yuuko Kanoe or the girl in top left?
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>>157387713
>the most beloved SoL of all time get priority?
>the most beloved SoL of all time
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>>157387664
...Alright, but she will be near some murderers.

>>157387615
Yui was on the chart 2 threads ago, so many anons complained and we removed her

>>157387669
But S100 D30 is filled, how about S100 D45?
And I wouldn't try to move Yuuko, anon. The other anons don't like it when we move her

>>157387690
Should we lower them 1-2 blocks? We need to find a line where the characters suffered the same amount as them

>>157387704
Anyone against Reki above Kokuto?
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>>157387615
This >>157387722
Keions is strictly a no suffer zone.
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I think Makoto is too high up on suffering, look at the rest of his row.

>>157387763
Usually I'd agree with you, but comparing him with some other characters on the chart makes him rank too high, so I'm conflicted.
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>>157387536
can someone remind me why shiki tohno's suffering is so high?

Also how do you even include LN characters with multiple, mutually exclusive routes
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>>157387841
>And I wouldn't try to move Yuuko, anon. The other anons don't like it when we move her
Not that guy but did they post a reason? Many people have her as a waifu, shouldn't listen to them just because of that.
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>>157387877
>I think Makoto is too high up
I agree. Should we change him to S40?
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>>157387841
>...Alright, but she will be near some murderers.
I was intending to make her level with Aqua, but if it makes you feel better you can put her left. Their girl on 0, 60 did essentially the same as her, but just pretended like she was an angel and cried crocodile tears when she was called out. Maybe the murders should be moved up.
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>>157387520
>there are a couple of girls that only need a little more push to become his bitch
Like who? Also what makes you hate people who like Rem anyways?
>>
>>157387912
Well, what character you want to put on S100/D0?
>>
>>157387841
I think Togame should be 1 or 2 below kiritsugu, but I think he's fine where he is, unless other anon wants to explain why he should be lower.
>>
>>157387782
Seriously, watch more anime.
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>>157387841
S100 D45 is a bit too much, but recalling what she did to have Jack then go for it.
Ok if anons will rage for her then put Alice S:90 D:30
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>>157387994
the girl from Ef then
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>>157387920
Yeah, definitely.

>>157387968
Are we talking about the same Yuuko? I think I messed up, I thought about the one from Amnesia
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Anyone against lowering Togame S 1 slot?

Anyone against lowering Makoto to S40?
>>157388000
Alright, Alice is this one >>157385721 right?
>>
>>157387536
What's Utena doing on the same suffering level as Homura, Touma, Rika, Kars and Bernkastel?
>>
>>157387536
Who is on S70, D0?
>>
>>157388072
Yukine Chris
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>>157387984
also what the fuck, why is Togame's deserve so high. Worse than Vegeta? Szayelaporro? Move her at least behind Alucard.
>>
>>157388072
>>157388105
Actually its mewtwo
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>>157388031
Oh I'm talking about Yuuko Amamiya, the girl in the top left corner
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>>157388126
No.
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>>157388069
Yes it's her. It's a bit unfair for her but we'll go for it. Poor Alice. We need a new chart alone just for Pandora Hearts characters suffer since almost all of them do.
They should've called it Suffer Hearts.
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I don't see this Nina. I propose S25, D85. She did develop WMDs for the express purpose of killing as many filthy elevens as she could. Also, she's gross.
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>>157388126
I saw some anons discussing that her lies made her deserve a lot of suffering, idk about it though
>>
>>157385721
>>157388142
Anon, you're overdoing it. They suffer but you're giving them higher values compared to other characters on the chart.
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>>157388140
nice argument. Togame's entirely life was a response to her father being murdered, and she hardly caused the same amount of damage as kerry, let alone half the other people behind her.
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>>157388130
why is a fucking pokemon in that spot?
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>>157388208
No.
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>>157388180
Her lies basically taught Shichika how to be a human being and resulted in her own death, that's ridiculous.
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>>157388236
Move Togame back op, memelord here notwithstanding.
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>>157388069
Nobody was against it, change done.
>>157388208
Where do you think she should be on the D axis?
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>>157388213
>he didn't watch the movie
You uncultured fuck
>>
>>157388277
OP here, I refuse.
>>
we will never find enough S100 characters
we are doomed
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>>157388283
To the right of Saber.
>>
You fags should first focus on filling empty slots instead of arguing about those who are already in.
>>
>>157388283
>megumin suffers more than the doctor from Shiki and they have the same deserving
Something seems wrong here

>>157388360
That's too low.
>>
>>157388283
>>157388360
Anyone against it?
With arguments if possible
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>>157388302
I bet.
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>>157388391
>That's too low.
Provide an argument or fuck off. She caused substantially less damage than Saber and was driven by trauma rather than ideology. If anything she should be behind Saber too.
>>
>>157388391

>>157316180
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>>157388399
I'm against it. She didn't suffer that much and she knew what was coming for her.

She had a poor life, then we have the story with Shichika and she dies, compare her to other characters.
>>
why is rem higher than shinji
Rem didn't even suffer wtf
>>
>>157388391
Megumin deserves her spot, just move the doctor from Shiki if he really did suffer more.
>>
>>157388435
That's not more suffering than Polnareff.
>>
>>157388322
I said chrono should be there when rosette was added but a couple of retards said he "didn't suffer so much". Yet he would fill a perfect slot on the medium-deserving area.
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>>157388463
>I'm against it. She didn't suffer that much and she knew what was coming for her.

This is about how much she deserved what she got, not how much she got.

To be clear:
Togame's entire life was consumed by a desire for revenge, precluding her ability to have authentic emotional interactions with anyone until she met Shichika, and the moment at which her facade started to become real is the moment at which she was killed.
>>
>>157388486
LN.
>>
>>157388463
Can we at least put her a little to the left?
The 90D+ is full of mass murderers and rapists, she isn't one
>>
>>157388435
She didnt suffer as much as the rest of the guys on the row, like Neferpitou or Makoto
>>
>>157388283
Who is that at 85,70? Looks like the guy from Prison School.
>>
>>157388513
And this desire from revenge was precipitated by a childhood trauma.

also this:
>>157388542
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>>157388542
That sure, I agree that she should be more to the left.
>>
>>157388560
Kiyoshi, yes. Not sure why he's there.
>>
>>157388591
How about 65D then?
>>
>>157388435
>following your dreams is suffering
She stops being a poorfag, finds a party, and is perfectly content with her current life
>>
Tanya should swap places with the JoJo below her, because of the tone of the story I think she deserves 1 spot less suffering.
>>
Put her to the right of saber or under Alucard.
>>
>>157388544
>Neferpitou
She didn't suffer at all, she was a mindless ant that only worked for her king, why is she even there
>>
>>157388544
Makoto died relatively quickly and didn't suffer at all before that, and Pitou died without witnessing Meruem's downfall or anything while fulfilling her duty. Having a very shitty past is equal to that.
>>
>>157387958
It was a lot of during the show's airing. The seasonal waifufagging for her was obnoxious. They do call Rem normalfag waifu bait for a reason. Same went with Emiliafags, too.
It's an isekai with a NEET protagonist that got two girls from being a good guy. I reckon that most girls in the series are half a light novel volume from falling in love with him.
>>
There's not a single bleach character in the chart, what's wrong with you guys
>>
>>157388621
Other characters on that chart also found happiness after suffering, like Polnareff or Edward. You can't deny a character's difficult past because they're currently happy.
>>
>>157388683
we should add aizen for that easy 100D
>>
>>157388683
People want to forget about that
>>
Why is the S;G guy at 85 suffering? He only had to see Mayuri die a couple of times before saving the world
>>
>>157388769
I mean, I don't think he suffered more than Griffith.
>>
>>157388769
some S;G fans sperged out
>>
>>157388283
Seto Kaiba shouldn't be above Kaiji, Johnny or Slaine. Lower him a bit.
>>
Hello guys, OP here.
I need to go, tomorrow I'll create a new thread with the final chart updated. I hope we finish the sketch tomorrow (at least filling the spaces).
Good night everyone, this was a good thread.
>>
>>157388841
Good night, thanks for your work.
>>
>>157388769
S:G Zero.
>>
>>157388841
>sketch
Can we suggest better images later?
>>
>>157388877

>>157383285
>>157377254
he was asking for some
>>
>>157388877
That's what we're doing, yes.
>>
>>157388703
Many of the characters at or even below her level have dealt with worse shit than difficulty finding food
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>>157388681
Anon I don't know if you're trying to discuss with me or bait me right now.
>>
>>157388213
There is nothing wrong with video games as a source material otherwise we'd have to remove a lot of characters
>>
>>157389020
To be fair, the 0D column is pretty valuable and using a spot for a pokemon of all things seems like a waste.
>>
>>157389040
>A pokemon of all things
>Devaluing what Mewtwo went through just because of his source material
>>
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>>157383285
>Remember guys, if you have a better pic of the character for the final chart (this one is the sketch) please give me
Have this one, less spoilers and easier to recognize the character.
>>
>>157389100
I still feel like he deserved it a bit less, considering they blame him for the assassination attempt while he was a kid and shove the blame of both Earth and Vers on him.
>>
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I'll post some better togame images.
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>>157388992
As I said, we see the same shit but with different lenses. I'm not going to change your opinion on this shit, and you're not going to change mines.
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>>157389240
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>>157389240
OP here, please stop posting Togame.
>>
Oh I almost forgot.
By the way guys I have a tripcode, if you think that the anon doing the chart is not me just ask me to use the tripcode

First time I used it was here >>157341390
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>>157388283
Why the fuck is Shiki that high? Sure he's suffered but he mostly don't give no fucks since he literally has one foot on the grave and just wants to live in peace. Most suffering would be Akiha's normal ending but I still wouldn't place him that high.
>>
>>157389100
>>157389240
>>157389296
Thanks guys

>>157389326
We can talk and fix it tomorrow, I'll remember you.

Well, good night again.
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so the NTRfags have taken a hold of the project the day I was gone.

Great.
So first off, Akane didn't suffer as much as the other people on the same row she's in. Not even remotely closely. Knocked down a few notches.
Panty's sole issue is that she was cockblocked for a few days.

Gankutsuou has suffered more than Shiki BY A FUCKING mile. Shiki is simply too high, and so is Kayneth. Their switch is temporary but more long term solutions should be sought.
>>
>>157388283
Akane Tsunemori is on there twice?
65,15 and 30,45
>>
>>157389308
Hey, I'm the OP from last time. I just want to mention that I'm also allowed to work on the chart.
>>157389370
Shhh.
>>
>>157389458
c'mon lad, you know I am right. I can elaborate if you need more convincing.
>>
>>157389371
Uh you're right.
I'll remove her on 65,15

>>157389458
Hey
>>
>>157389494
that guy is not actually an op anon. but he might be mad.
>>
>>157389560
please respond.
>>
>>157389458
did you receive what I sent to you for skype? It's the latest chart
>>157389592
Respond to what
>>
>>157389458
And I'm the third guy, but I'm not using a trip.
>>
>>157389645
I don't have you added on Skype, I'm the OP of >>157334369.
>>
>>157389645
>>157389370
>>
>>157389681
>I don't have you added on Skype
Oh so you're really that OP.
Good, I was just making sure. How are you man? I will pass the sketch to the final version tomorrow
>>
>>157389681
And I was the OP of >>157315129
>>
>>157389370
I agree with some of those changes but why would you put Akane on D65? A lot of anons complained that she was high on the D scale
>>
>>157389709
>Oh so you're really that OP.
Yup: >>157340549
I'm doing good. I'm fast with Paint, so you can probably just leave the sketch to me and >>157389710 while you do the finished product.
>>
>>157389756
because of her sadistic tendencies. She did literally hurt people for funsies, and Tamamo who is on her same axis did so in self-defence. It does not compute, buddy.
>>
>>157389806
>>157389808
Alright just don't remove any character that's already in, please we had this problem before
And if too many people request a change, pls follow it
I love u
Good night
>>
>>157389370
Panty and stocking were both being punished by being exiled from heaven and forced to fight sometimes disgusting enemies. Rate that how you will, but if panty moves than stocking should too.
>>
>>157389846
>And if too many people request a change, pls follow it
I will unless I suspect samefagging is involved.
Sleep tight.
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>>157388681
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>>157389863
>were both being punished by being exiled from heaven and forced to lead a luxurious lifestyle
Oh no!
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>>157389846
It'll be waiting in the morning. I'll take over when OtherChartAnon goes to bed, living where I do means I can keep this going through the time Americans are asleep.
>>
>>157389884
The way I do it is: It's true until somebody disagrees with a strong argument
The same anon can samefag 100 times but a strong argument can prevent something dumb from happening
>>
>>157389896
Alright, I'll just make another thread with the current sketch.
>>
>>157390057
>>157390057
New thread.
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>>157390063
Wait, fuck. I forgot the subject.
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