/a/ character chart II

>>157315129
You ignored my recommendation for Ichise (Texhnolyze) you nigger

>>157315129
Move Firefly girl down to 70 then move everyone else up one. She died, but before that she had no real awareness of what was going on. Other people up there get raped and brutally murdered, and suffer for long periods of time while watching their loved ones die. Move Kirino, Umaru and Ika like 7 spots left, that's a stupid meme. Move Ohgi down one, as he got away with everything.

>>157315129
you forgot nina from code geass, put her in S40 D100

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Suffering: between 60 and 70
Deserved: between 50 and 60

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>>157315129
Touma and Othinus looks perfect where they are. Can you put Battler at 25, 90?

>>157311982
>>157311982
>>157311982

bumping this suggestion from last thread

Younger Toguro should probably be moved over towards more deserved by 2-3 spaces.

>>157315129
Agni should be moved to the left by 3 spaces, guy really didn't deserve what he got.

gonna repost some I think are valid from the last thread.

Nui, 65,70
Mao, 80, 75
Viral, 10, 80 right above trunks
Dandy, 40, 20

>>157315266
D: 70. Without her nukes they'd have lost.

>>157315311
This. His only suffering was 100% self inflicted, right up until he volunteered for purgatory.

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mikan suffered too much
80, 30

Gaara is way too far into deserved, he only ended up murdering people because he was abused and basically pyschologically tortured as a kid, and he ended up repenting and saving basically the world eventually anyways

Move him into the blank space to the left of blackwargreymon

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A few chnages have been made, the others are coming.

Also to make this quicker, can you point out where the characters are that need to be moved? It wastes a few minutes hunting each down individually.

>>157315360
Identify them for me and I'll shift them.

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all the way top right

>>157315386
Agni is the S100 and D40.

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>>157315360
>>157315386
These were additions I thought were valid, not shifts, unless I missed one of the characters who's already on the board. I can post images for the characters

>>157315386
I can understand why Megumin is above Yunyun, but I think they should both be lowered. Put Megumin at 40S 20D and Yunyun at 25S 20D.

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>>157315386
>>157315427
Mao, 80, 75

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>>157315386
>Also to make this quicker, can you point out where the characters are that need to be moved? It wastes a few minutes hunting each down individually.

for >>157315383, >>157315377
and >>157315311

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>>157315382
That whore barely suffered as much as Chiaki.

>>157315386
Move Shouko (D25, S45) to the left of luluco.

>>157315295
also made the image for him

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>>157315386
>>157315427
>>157315360
Harime Nui 65,70

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Suffering: 10-20
Deserve: 40

also, I feel that Shion and Mion should be on the same row

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>>157315485
>>157315295
fucked up, here

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10, 40

>>157315129
what a shitty chart

so many ridiculous placements

also I laugh at the bitter cunt who placed umaru on bottom right. stay mad

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S:40
D:10/15

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>>157315386
Viral, 10, 80 right above trunks

>>157315510
It was even worse 2 hours ago.

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S: 20 D: 80

>>157315455
>implying
Chiaki probably had a good childhood where nobody raped her

>>157315510
Offer suggestions then, nigger.

>>157315529
S 10 D 95

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Suffering: 20
Deserved: 70

Why the hell Megumin is so high at suffering?
What the fuck happened with Diarmud from Fate? He didn't deserve anything that happened to him.

>>157315563
agreed, almost forgot diarmuid
s:90
d:20
tbqh

>>157315563
>Why the hell Megumin is so high at suffering?
Lived in extreme poverty and nearly starved.

Ushiromiya Kinzo:
Suffering 20 (that high because family fucked him over)
Deserved 80

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S: 80
D:10/20

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S: 30
D: 0

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never forget the robowaifu
s: 60
d: 20

>>157315579
How is that equivalent to even half of Al's suffering?

>>157315605
It's not, which is why she should be lowered to 40S.

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s: 20
d: 10

>>157315588
May as well add Yasu from Umineko:
Suffering 80
Deserved 40

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s: 70
d: 0

>>157315129
I think Saitama should go above Mumen Rider considering the fact that he's losing his humanity and is abhorred for being a hero by most people. Mumen isn't strong enough to help people, but he's still loved by the public

>>157315386
>Rem
>55
25 would be a lot more accurate.

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Partially updated. If I've missed anything, call me a faggot and then point to what I missed.

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10 Suffering
95 Deserving

>>157315129
Why is this made of 80% literally whos?

>>157315563
This thread is mostly newfags with low powerlevels just talking about their favorite character. Most have actually seen less than half the stuff on the chart. Megumeme is higher than Kayo who got beaten and killed, and fucking Casshern.

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>>157315655
Put Bernkastel at 95 suffering, 100 deserved so that she's opposite from Rika.

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>>157315129
Replace that awful picture of Kitano in (0,15) with pic related

>>157315657
People want their Waifu represented. I'm still waiting for someone to post where Usagi should go.

>>157315655
Megumin (55S 15D) should be at 40S 20D.
Yunyun (45S, 30D) should be at 25S 20D.
Also, Rem's suffering is way too high.

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>>157315655

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S:15
D:30

>>157315386
why did you change the 100,0 character

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S: 40
D: 0

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I don't think the derserving axis is long enough for this mother fucker

>>157315655
Why the fuck is the girl from Geiger Counter in there? Kek

>sakura over archer
why is this shit still not fixed

shirou past is way worse than sakura and archer being a janitor is even worse

>>157315655
seconding this >>157315714. Umaru was perfect for that spot.

>Kiritsugu Emiya
S: 50
D: 90

Move Kirino and Ika down 40 spots. "I watched the anime and she was kind of a bitch" isn't a reason to rank a middle school girl up with heartless murderers. This list is shitty enough as is.

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>>157315655
Probably retarded but i sitll cant locate him
feel like hes a good candidate for high suffering
deserved: 50-60
Suffered: 80-100

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S:10
D: 95

>>157315669
this
>>157315758
S 70

>>157315129
Is that supposed to be Simon at 20,30?

On one hand, he suffered a lot (he fucking died and had his body stolen), and did nothing to deserve it

On the other hand, he became a huge asshole as a ghost, and had a happy ending.

>>157315770
But most of the characters in that column aren't murderers. It's also not to be taken too serious I guess

>>157315774
I don't think he suffered all that much. At the end of the day, his high school life was pretty complete after all. He's more of a 50/50 candidate

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>>157315812
Whoopse forgot image

>>157315655
Why is Griffith not at maximum D?

>>157315783
Honestly, if not Umaru, she can take the 0-100 spot

>>157315815
I can sort off see why one would think that, but alot of the suffering candidates also suffered alot and then got a fullfilling life, he should probably still be in the upper suffering upper deserved spectrum.
>>157315793
i believe that is the shield hero

>>157315815
Ohgi is a well deserved 100. Kirino, I'm and Umaru shouldn't even be 25. "I hate real girls so a kind of bratty anime girl needs to be raped and beaten" is /r9k/ tier.

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Keeping up with you people is impossible. But trying is fun. I made a few changes and moved the Nugget back to pole position.

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S:10
D:60

>>157315837
She suffered a little. It was an extistential kind of suffering.

>>157315843

I can't find him on the list but I think he should be 10, 40.

>all these mad anons in the bottom right corner

>>157315853
I'm still confused about Iyami. The sextupets are annoying, sure, but come on.

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swap these two

>>157315885
i personally believe he did suffer and deserved it
45,40?

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>>157315853
You forgot this one. Not having friends is not on the same level as being killed by your clone or being the last cyborg.

>>157315853
If the spot is taken, then put Genthru >>157315656
at 10-100

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>>157315539
where do I even start

put touma and redditzero protag down a big notch. yeah being a characterisation of wish fulfillment sure is suffering

guts to the right and down a bit. yknow, griffin was tortured for 3 years while guts was enjoying life and later gets his own party. much of his suffering is also to a degree self imposed. Id also move griffith down because achieving your dreams and becoming a god like entity is not suffering. the rating would have only been justified if he had died in that torture hole

honestly I dont really know what would deserve a 100 on the suffering anyway. in ajiin there are people getting tortured for years and killed thousands of times so theyd rank pretty high. but even they are barely mentally traumatized due to shitty writing. Id say to rank anything above 90 people have to suffer excruciatingly for a very long period of time to their very last moment, both mentally and physically because hopelessness is a huge part of suffering

for example if pic related had spent her remaining life in hospital and really been abandoned by everyone, Id consider that 90-95 worthy

move the wizard from fate zero down and to the left. also alucard. then theres the utena shit, move that down. and hamster move to the right. code gayass down, several of them. le meme doge move down because it doesnt seem to suffer that much. then theres db shiit that needs to be moved down, fist of the north star down big league

and I am just getting started. well why do I even bother, its a shitty meme chart

>>157315721
Deserve -100
Suffer - 40

>>157315655
>Touma can be at 100 imo , he got killed like millions of time and got tortured in every way possible also experienced countless worlds where everyone hate him and got killed by his close people to where he forgot his own name at some point

Touma's suffering is more like update version of Subaru's

>Rem is too high

>The guy in tier 85,35 from Utsuro no Hako to Zero no Maria should be tier 90-100

>Where is kaneki ?

>>157315510
Umatrash deserves every bashing this World can offer to her.

>>157315853
Rem needs to be way down.

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Kaneki should be tier 80

>>157315888
>I watched 3 episodes of the anime version and joined in some shitposting threads
>Let's rank their deserved suffering at the "rape, watch family die, and then get murdered" level because that meme girl is a bitch
No, but this list isn't total garbage.

>>157315949
Stop greentexting like a retard.

>>157315975
Kill yourself Tokyo Gayhole faggot.

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>>157315953
mmmmh delicious tears. cry more please

I think Diavolo should be moved to 100-100. It's a meme spot anyways, and what other character can possibly fit it?

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>>157315928
Pre-eclipse Griffith probably qualifies as maximum suffering. Post-eclipse Griffith also qualifies for maximum deserves it. Maybe he should get the 100, 100 spot.

>>157315995
>cry
I'm actually laughing. Maniacally.

>>157315949
> He died a billion times and had infinity goddess suffering for eternity instantly!
That's Monopoly money suffering at that point. 50 at best.

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85, 60

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>>157316003

>>157316023
I'm surprised he's still not there.

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>>157315928
If you can give numbers, I can get right on that.


We have a lot of holes that need filling, try and think of characters who can fit them.

>>157316023
Is he suffering, though?

>>157316043
Not until Fakku goes broke, si dies and memesubs disappear.

>>157316043
Considering Nyaa's dead and the leader of pantsu didn't want to mod him, sure.

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>got rejected
That's nothing compared to the characters in her row.

>>157316023
Why is he so ugly

>>157316075
I thought Nyaazi won the tracker wars anyways. Seems like he's still coming out on top.

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Where does Anno go?

>>157316023
He gets the 0-100 if anything

>>157316081
But muh shitty flavor of the month memes!

>>157316081
She had a hard life leading up to that, but you're right.

>>157315958
>>157316081
>amost gets killed when she got born because 1 horn
>people in her village didn't care about her and treated her like shit
>whole village got destroyed and she lost everything except her sister
>she herself as a tool
>gets errased and is in coma
yeah no when you have mikan who just got bullied being S 80

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literally who

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>>157315563
>poorfag
>nearly starved
>gave up on her life as a genius mage to follow her dreams
>struggled to find a party
she deserves the 40 suffering imo

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>>157316081

>>157316180
Sure, she was at 55 when that post was made.

>>157316146
Kayo for the abuse and murdered and she's lower.

>>157316180
She was poor. That's it. That's 25 at absolute best.

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Where should Ken-sama go?

>>157315129
Why is Yukine Chris so high up and so far to the left?
She was literally a villain that helped unleash noise which killed innocents. And she barely suffered at all and got redeemed in the same season.

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15,15

>No one noticed that the character I suggested isn't actually an anime character, because he's so obscure that no one recognizes him.

I'm not sure whether to be happy that my plan succeeded or depressed that no one gives a shit about one of my favorite nip games.

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>>157316009
did you just stop reading my post right when I mentioned griffith?

>>157316040
naah clearly the chart is not for people like me. have fun with your stuff. not worth the effort for me when I disagree so much on the very fundamentals of how suffering and deserving is even rated

even though there are some underrated and underappreciated characters that I would have added to my own chart, such as Sara, Sora, Rin, Maya, Mamiina or pic related

damn fucking pic related... he was so based the possibly most powerful entity of the galaxy had to personally eliminate him from the plot because he almost solved it not even halfway through the series

>>157316239
I'll add him in. Where should he go?

>>157316183
In what way did the guy from Ranma suffer that's equivalent to the rest in his row?

Why kyoshi too high ? he's tier 85

>>157316213
>Parents murdered
>Sex slave for a decade
>Tortured and abused
>Manipulated by Fine into killing people with the staff
Did you watch the show, or just a couple Youtube clips and a couple threads?

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put sensei below taiga.

>>157316255
Don't know. Should he go somewhere else?

>>157316265
His recent Jew antics.

>>157315949
>Rem is too high

I dunno about that anon, she fought a cultist when she was only eight and had her freedom sacrificed to Roswaal to save her sister, as well as her sister willing to throw Rem away for the wifebeater clown. Then there is the whole clown kekaiku thing and breaking down her mentality she was subjected to by the same person.

Why does Homu deserve more suffering than Magic God "let me torture this poor kid for billions of worlds until I get tired and realize he is pretty much the only person now who gets me" Othinus?

>>157316183
Is being raised by your grandparents and having a deadbeat dad, then getting sick really suffering as much as having your soul ripped from your body and living in a unfeeling husk because you attemped an illegal experiment as a child out of greif for your dead mother?

I think Ushio should move down. Or Al could move up.

>>157316344
Because all Raildex characters are shit anyways and that hyperbolic writing style fails to draw emotion from anyone over the age of 12.

>>157316254
he is definitely a 0 on the deserving scale and around a 50-55 on the suffering scale but all those spots around that area are already full. diffiicult to properly place him because even though he had his life devotion crushed he handled it pretty well

>>157316386
Man, who pissed on your cheerios?

>>157316288
meh tier 40 at best nothing too horrible

>>157316344
Dunno maybe because she tried to redeem herself later ? homu totally went villian mode after the movie

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>>157316377

Moved her down. Too far?

>>157316418
A stupid 12 year old reading Raildex who wouldn't shut up about how amazing Touma's suffering was.

>>157316344
I don't know. My thoughts when suggesting her were that she basically as to go through with it with him, so she kinda suffers with him. (And suffered before)

>>157316472
I'm pretty sure this chart has literally nothing to do with the quality of the writing and more about the objective events that happened. So the kid praising it and you sperging about him praising it can both shut up.

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S:70
D:40

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>>157315129
Seconding Ichise from Texhnolyze >>157315205
at about S100 and D30 since there's no room lower than that.

>>157316503

What was her suffering ?

>>157316432
There is whole getting erased from existence and whatnot for doing the right thing or the burning or her village but sure. But to add extra detail to the cultist it was a one sided battle where he tortured her having half her face blown off up, and her "gore" all over the walls until when was able to detect miasma with her scent, killing the cultist only to have a building collapse on her, this was she was eight. If only they showed her backstory more, but I regress.

>>157316471
Touma should be at S100 and D50.

the OP guy is shit

can a other guy fix this shit?

>>157316543
I don't think his suffering needs to be bumped much when he's already above Angra Manyu

>>157316493
>Character is a retarded masochist and jumps into generic suffering loops
Not as bad as people who watch their loved ones murdered/raped and then actually die a horrible death.

>Literal God fucks around with humans for a few minutes
Also not a big deal, especially when compared to the kind of malicious intent others have.

>>157316561
If you want to try, be my guest. All the OPs for this just move shit based on what anons say. Blame them, not us.

>>157316561
>a other
Retard.

Also, OP is doing fine.

>>157316543
He should be S 50 D 40

>>157316569
he's in the same tier as subaru , what did Angra Manyu even suffered ? i didn't play FHA

>>157316582
I don't think rape was explicitly featured but he definitely had loved ones killed and also was killed by his loved ones and dies several horrible deaths.

It's not a few minutes it's a near uncountable number of years.

>>157316530
Watching her friends die/get crippled, gets crippled herself, gets her memories forcibly taken away from her, being unable to kill herself

>>157316613
Angra Manyu is the embodiment of all the evils in the world

>>157316639
Hmm seems like tier 80 i would say

>>157316569
At least Angra was allowed to die of old age, Touma was brought back every single time after he died just to suffer more.

>>157316613
He was tied to a post, tortured every day of his life, had every curse engraved into his body and was forced to witness all the evils of humanity.

>>157316633
And most of it isn't permanent. It's really just "all this super duper suffering happened forever but it was actually super fast and now it's over." That doesn't compare to people who actually suffer the normal way without diving head first into danger, and then actually get fucked up by it.

>>157316677
She still has friends and most of it gets fixed later. She's 55 level.

>>157316692
He becomes a spirit essentially though, so I would assume it goes beyond that. To be fair he does seem chill once he's dead though he seems to lose himself a few times. Been a while since I played

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s: 20
d: 80
fuck this guy

>>157316503
It all gets fucking fixed in the end while some characters suffer for their entire miserable existence. Suffering 40
She has her friends and girlfriend

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25,45

>>157315129
>3 Naruto characters

Fuck off you cancerous Narutards

>>157316633
this also PSTD and stockholm syndrom

>>157316692
Hmm that horrible although unlike tier 90 characters they sufferd for very long time "except for subaru "

Still i would put him tier 90

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s:30
d: 60

>>157316471
I honestly think Rem should be higher because >>157316531
>>157316288

>Guts at S100
Guts is at S60 at best.

>>157316717
>>157316733

Oh if everything got fixed in the end that not very bad , still i think she goes to tier 50 for going through it

>>157316717
Why does getting eventually undone invalidate everything that happened? He lived his entire life, several times over in several scenarios. why does "the normal way" make it worse just because someone isn't maliciously inflicting the pain on them? The suffering itself is still the same. He might not be as fucked up by it as other characters on the list as he mentally blocks a lot of it but he does still have PTSD attacks at the idea of it happening again. I'm not sure what you mean by "it was actually fast". It took billions of years. Just because he blocked some of it out after it happened to keep some sanity and the author didn't write 20 novels describing every detail that happened doesn't mean it was fast. The world was just recreated at the point where he was taken afterwards.

Make whatever "that's unnecessary, it's melodramatic writing, etc" comments you want, even if you find it silly or overblown the actual events that happened definitely put him where he is.

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S:70
D:30-40

>>157316717
That's a good point but does a happy ending cancel out the suffering already experienced?
>>157316733
Gin dies forever though


Also I feel like some SnK characters like Reiner and Erwin could fit somewhere around the middle

>>157316804
Not really i think 100 is fine this dude had shit life since he's mom gave birth to him

>>157315129
>Enju from Black Bulet at 80 level of suffering
I only remember that there was one shitty melodrama episode with that moeblob. Is there more in the LNs?

>>157316839
Its all wanking that happens super fast in the series to emphasize what a badass masochist he is that can take infinity beatings. If he doesn't get fucked up, then it's not as bad. Suffering is relative, not absolute. The fact that it happened and he functions like he does afterwards means it's exactly the kind of shit hyperbole I'm claiming it is.

>>157316882
It wasn't just the happy ending, it was that she had support during everything, too.

>>157316958
So your only argument is that it didn't permanently cripple him. So every character on the list who turns out ok despite their suffering should be bumped right to the bottom of the list?

Guts is pretty well adjusted despite the shit he goes through, down he goes, Homu eventually gets back at Kyubey and just makes a world of her own, mid tier, Lelouche is happy he's able to save people by turning them on him, right to 0. Is that what we're saying?

>>157315129
Sakura didn't deserve that much pain.
Panty deserved much more pain, 55 is too low.
Can't see Ciel anywhere, suffered an ugodly amount despite not having done anything wrong.
Kumagawa used to be on the chart, suffered a whole lot and deserved almost none of it.
Why the fuck is the girl from ShindoL so low on suffering and so high on deserving it? That's some bullshit, she died young and drugged.
Togame from katanagatari should be there somewhere in the middle.
Franz from Gankutsuou was pure suffering and he died too, so he deserves a sport somewhere.

>>157316964
whoever put the emergence one should die

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S:80
D:0

>>157316958
Having strong mentality doesn't make you masochist lol , also he still have PTSD from it he was screaming like bitch when he saw someone calming he's Magic god

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S:30
D:70

>>157317016
Give me its location now and where it should move to and It'll be changed right away.

>>157317015
If you can find a pic of Ciel and a location for her she'll be added right in. Also Sakura did kill those people.

>>157317018
What is her suffering ? also please cover the afterword of it

>>157317053
It's the girl next to Goku, she should be
S:60
D:40

>>157317015
>Why the fuck is the girl from ShindoL so low on suffering and so high on deserving it? That's some bullshit, she died young and drugged.
She did those drugs willingly.

>>157317012
For what he went through, it barely even fazed him. It was pure author wanking. By your criteria Goku should be near the top since he's watched people he cares about her killed multiple times and been killed multiple times himself, on top of insane physical beatings.

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S: 40
D: 65

>>157317073
She was young and easily manipulated, plus she didn't have a good relationship with her parents and had no peers to influence her to the "right" thing.

>>157317028
>ESLfag
>lol
Fucking Raildexfags.

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S60
D30

>>157317028
>Touma
>PTSD
I swear, kids like to overstate things by giving them cool sounding names. A simple fear is NOT a case of PTSD, faggot.

>>157317053
>Also Sakura did kill those people.
She couldn't help it. The pain was inflicted upon her BEFORE she committed those crimes, however. Perhaps you should take that into account.

I'll get back to you with a pic and a placement for Ciel

>>157317073
She was manipulated and blackmailed, raped by her dad and then drugged. A huge chunk of what happened to her wasn't her fault. Doesn't FUCKING explain why she deserves more pain than Panty who is 100x worse and completely unredeemable.

>>157317079
So the answer is yes. I'm pretty sure that's not the scale this chart is working on by just looking at it, so much as it is the scale of things and how much the character suffers at the time, not if they get over it or not.

>>157317117
But epic suffering for infinity years and now he's totally different!

>>157317116
>>157317053
This is a good start, but I'd do S 85 D 15 instead.

>>157317116
not anime

>>157317137
So the answer is that you're a fucking idiot who can't read, and likely hasn't read or watched the other series. Just saying "and then he died a million times and it sucked" and having him carry on afterwards without a major personally change afterwards does not mean he suffered. How can you be so impossibly stupid that you don't understand this? Are you saying Goku should be near the top for all the death he's seen and been through himself?

>>157317116
S60
D80

>>157317116
S75
D30

>>157317197
You're confusing can't read with won't read. You thinking the source material is shit and thus sperging about how it's "wanking" is irrelevant. I never watched GT so I wasn't commenting on it. In the manga Goku dies maybe 3 times and they're all pretty quick. It's not quite the same as starving to death and feeding bits of yourself to people, decomposing alive or being killed by your friends. The guy was also drive to suicide, there were extenuating circumstances but yeah I think it's about as bad as the others I see on that row. I'm not saying he should be any higher, but he shouldn't go much lower either.

>>157317117
Lol he was literary screaming once he thought he was standing in front of MG , and calling people faggots doesn't make you look cool nor it's prove your point kid

It's true he was recovered from it eventually but that doesn't take from him what he went through , the author doesn't have to describe every suffering he went through , this isn't Re:zero

Subaru is in the same tier and hell every suffering he gone through and every dies get re-done and he's cool enough to throw jokes after each arc as if something didn't happen

>>157317310
Ah, so you refuse to try to read? That makes sense.

>GT
Jesus fucking Christ.

>>157317341
I'm assuming something dumb happened in there otherwise you wouldn't be placing Goku at the top of the list since he hasn't died much in the manga and didn't see much either.

>>157317338
>kid
Just stop embarrassing yourself.

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I keep on feeling like I'm missing shit.

>OP can't recognize at least 90% of the characters
Why did you want to take care of this if you're a massive newfag ? Now everyone can say any bullshit on a character and you won't notice a damn thing.

>>157317364
Holy shit, you actually can't read English.

>>157317372
He's clearly falseflagging.

>>157317404
Hard to when you're only speaking in buzzwords

>>157317427
No I think he's actually a retard.

>>157317382
Again, Ciel did nothing that deserved the suffering she went through. Perhaps scale both parameters down a notch.
ShindoL girl and Sakura should have their D rating lowered, Panty should have her D rating increased and her S rating lowered.

Rest looks fine to me.

>>157317386
Not if they explain the suffering

I don't see the point in lying about this type of chart

>>157317475
Ciel is still a manipulative cunt in the VN.

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Nagisa 55,15

Kaede 55,35

Im not 100% on this though

>>157317338
>Lol
>>>/out/

>>157317499
Hey I didn't say put it down to 0, just scale it down a notch. Besides hypnotizing you she didn't do anything harmful to you, and even that was only for your safety.

>>157317476
Not necessarily lying but a lot of people are dumb as shit here.

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>>157317382
How did Rem end up on the lower side of suffering compared to onizuka, hayate and megumin?

>>157317476
>My favorite character is a badass. I haven't actually seen those other shows, but let me explain why he's/she's so fucking cool

>>157317550
Because that's where whoever suggested her put her. If it's wrong, tell me why and where she should go to.

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>>157315129
WHO THE FUCK PUT PUNPUN ON THAT PLACE?
That Jerk deserve way more suffering.

>>157317596
I don't think you understood Punpun.

>>157317509
shit nm, I was using the old image

>>157317611
Nah.

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S: 55
D: 15

>>157317596
fuck off faggot

>>157317584
Well after her village burning and being treated like a second class oni, she has been maniulated to giving up her freedom to Roswaal through a forced contract because if she did not she would have been held responsible to letting her sister die from lack of mana treatment, then breaking down her mentality because Roswaal is a shit father-figure. After that Roswaal lures Rem who was still eight years old behind a warehouse to get ambushed by one of the cultists for an assassination attempt, where she got tortured by said cultist and has her gore all over the walls and half her face gone only to manage to finally fight back after being able to detect the mana changes in the air that causes the cultists explosions, beating him in battle only to have a building fall ontop of her and rescued by Clind. Also Ram the sister Rem gave up her freedom for to provide Roswaal's mana treatments is willing to discard her for Roswaal's plans after some manipulation. Which I believe should be a bit or just as high as those three, plus the entire arc 2, arc 3, arc 6 stuff and the whole her getting punished by being erased from existence after Subaru finally loves her back and doing the right thing.

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>>157315129
Guts should be at least 30 on the 'deserved it' axis.

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S:30
D:20

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>Yui higher than Haruhi on the deserve axis

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>>157317584
Proposed correction with rationale.
Ciel scaled down, even if she suffered a lot no real, long lasting harm came to her. She also didn't do a lot of bad things.
Panty did the same thing that ShindoL girl did if not worse, and absolutely nothing bad happened to her except for that one period in which she couldn't have sex.
ShindoL girl was only partially at fault for what happened to her, S and D parameters scaled accordingly.
Luluco bumped up because her lover gets stolen, the other guy's wife dies but then comes back to life thanks to dragonballs. I think an exchange is warranted.

>>157317869
It was an accident bruh

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>>157317929
>go somewhere specifically to murder people
>murder everyone
>one the people you murdered was a kid
>'it was an accident'

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This guy didn't suffer as much as he should have
D: 70
S: 5

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i easily categorize this wretch at least 100-90

who are the ones to the left and right of guts?

>>157317926
oh fuck why is cunnybunny on there
why did I look fuck me

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>explosive diarrhea for half a cour
>heal finally, but only once the show is ending
S: 20
D: 15

>>157318179
cunnybunny?
>>157318051
I'd say both her suffering and deserve scores should be high, but deserve should be slightly lower.
Kiara Sessyoin should be there somewhere too

>>157317926
Megumin next to Yamada
Yunyun next to Kuronokeo
Aqua 30 in deserve
Kazuma in Aquas place

>>157318347
based

>>157317813
That sounds like a 50 at least

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>absolutely deserved his suffering
>suffering wasn't so bad he couldn't work through it though

>but if you factor AO then his suffering far outweighs what he deserved

shit, I found an enigma

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Vejobber should be here
Suffering: 75%
Deserved it: 85%

This chart is retarded.

>>157318652
thanks for the contribution

>>157317966
Even after so many years Guts still has some black man in him.

>>157318679
yw

How the fuck did Homura deserve her suffering?

>>157318652
this

Gilgamesh: S 40 D 85
Kiara Sessyoin: S 80 D 95
Togame: S 80 D 75 (basically left of Keyneth)
Franz d'Epinay: S 90 D 40
Yota Moteuchi: S 40 D 10

>>157318679
It would make more sense if you quantified what the numbers mean instead of people throwing random numbers into the air.

>>157318896
Tell that to the others.

>>157318896
I try to give proposition with criteria.
For instance, if suffering doesn't cause long-lasting or permanent harm, or if suffering is eventually rewarded by achievement, I scale the S parameter downwards.

If the bad things that happened to someone were in part or mostly caused by their own actions, I scale the D parameter downwards.

Quantifying human pain is a nigh-impossible task, the best I can do is use the ballpark estimates that already exist because someone put certain characters in certain spots. The best we can do is proceed by conventions, because there are no fixed and set rules.

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>>157318859

suffering 90
deserved it 80

bitch lied through her teeth

it just makes me like her character so much more

>>157318784
>How the fuck did Homura deserve her suffering?

Someone hasn't seen Rebellion. After that, she deserves at least a little of it.

>>157318974
Lol, you must have a lot of free time.

>chart created by animeonlyfags or who didn't read the source

>>157319021
>she deserves at least a little of it
>70% deserved
Hell, Sayaka is only at 35% deserved on that chart. You can't possibly claim that she's less deserving of suffering than Homura.

>>157315129
Holy shit pedro. I forgot he existed poor guy got NTR'd so hard

>Kirino at 80 deserved
>people are still mad she won

>>157318347
>Kurosawa only deserving half of the suffering that befell him
Accurate.

Why is pedro so low? Move him up a couple spots

>>157315129
>Nishitaka
I say bump him up 3 spots on the suffering scale

>>157318347
>Iyami moving that much
He was almost perfect there. Why'd you change it? To be honest though, he'd probably be a S85.D90 character, since most of the suffering he receives is from his own pettiness.

Also, we should move the smug girls altogether to the left to minimize the power gap that's occuring in there.

>>157319025
>Lol

>>157319108
Oh I agree that Sayaka should be higher and Homura should be lower. The problem is we are running out of space and we have no agreed upon baseline. Things are all over the place right now.

It would probably help to establish is the deserved line is indeed a commentary on how much of the perceived suffering was actually appropriate.

I understand why that fucking hamster is at 0, 100 but it could be argued that it means she didn't suffer at all and that is exactly what she deserved, OR that she didn't suffer at all, but deserved all the suffering in the world.

Either this needs to be clarified by OP or we might need the deserved % to go to 200%. With 0% meaning they deserved no suffering and 200% meaning they deserved fully twice the amount of suffering they got. This way we can not only balance the list and provide more info on why a character is where they are on the list, but it would also free up more space to give a larger sample size.

>>157319801
Judging by old threads I always thought it was "how much the character suffered" vs "how much the character SHOULD HAVE suffered"

Otherwise you'd have values going over 100% for characters who deserved more suffering than they got.

>>157319801
It's better to just change the bottom line to "how much they deserved to suffer" or you'll end up confusing lots of people with this.

Miuna Shiodome: S20 D15

Diavolo should be D90. He deserved it more than the other D85s and is on par with Dio from his own series, if not worse.

>>157315129
>Umaru
Perfect

Fre/nda

Suffering: 50
Deserved: 50

>>157319969

Are there characters we could all agree upon for the 4 corners? Outside of waifu wars and trolling, it would help to codify the rules.

>>157319801
Well if we take the scale as units of suffering, the graph would be interpreted as "character received Y units of suffering, but deserved X units of suffering. Taking the "deserved" as a ratio doesn't really make sense for interpretation. The problem, however, is defining a "unit of suffering".

The issue is that people either
>A) compare the characters between each other
or
>B) rank the character based on their own story and ignore other characters
that makes the ranking inconsistent.

>>157320140
I agree with most of the placement for now, I can't see anything blatantly out of place.

Wolfgang Grimmer from Monster is suffering champion

S70 or 75
And please replace Archer with him on the "deserved" axis if possible. Archer was a victim of his own stubbornness.

>>157318347
Shimamura Uzuki is at 0,45 while she just suffers from depression for a while and recovers later on. That's really not comparable to the other characters around her. It's a good example of >>157320186, whoever placed her there viewed it only in the context of her own source material.

>>157318347
If the characters are in rows and the tick marks are on the lines between the rows, how am I supposed to read this? If Guts is a S100 D15, does that mean Chiyo is a S5 D5?

>>157320140
The characters in the 4 extreme corners, in my opinion, should be people that not only were in extremely far moral levels, but also had a lot of influence. Literally_who's shouldn't go to these. Umaru, for example, was a excellent choice for where she is now.

I'd say it would be more amusing to have the dog-girl chimera from Fullmetal Alchemist to be on the ultimate undeserved suffering. Also, it probably counts as double undeserved suffering since it's basically two pure characters suffering to the point of euthanasia.

We don't want to have a boring literally_whos morality meme chart, right?

We're all discussing the exact meaning of the X axis, but maybe we should take a look at the Y axis as well.

Is it OK to have the suffering level be directly related with the amount and intensity of their suffering alone? Maybe we should look at it as how much does their suffering define their existences.

Looking at the /co/ chart, Chris-chan is comfortably representing the 100,100 spot when others technically have suffered worse things.

>>157318347
cant believe Kumagawa hasnt been mentioned yet
S80
D65
id post a pciture, but pictures are down, will post later

>>157320318
0,100 for umaru implies that the 0% suffering she experienced was what she deserved according the the way it is currently worded.

I definitely giggled when I saw her because I knew exactly that was implied but the wording is a little confusing.

If it were changed to HOW MUCH THEY DESERVED TO SUFFER then it might be less confusing but then we run into multiple characters needing to occupy the same spots.
>>157320318
This anon gets it. We would need to carve out lesser examples of specific points on the chart while using the backround filler characters to fill in the less extreme points on the chart to avoid having blank spaces.

Hiroshimoot needs to unfuck 4chan cause this is getting ridiculous.

>>157320434
There's also the issue of the setting and universe. In a battle shounen a broken leg would be brushed off after a chapter or two, in a SoL or drama it might be a big plot point.

I would say Jotaro and Jolyne deserve to be on that list

>>157320530
>Jotaro
Nah, Abdul and Kakyoin went through more bullshit so not sure where to place him.
>Jolyne
Agreed.

>>157320516
Actually, that's right. Chris-chan should count as ultimate suffering since he's suffering in the most serious medium possible, which is real life. Also deserved it entirely, which is something rather rare.

>>157318347

Did the Bokurano kid really deserve it that much?

>>157315129
Put Araragi in the lower middle as all his shit is due to him and external events.

>>157320559
Actually - i feel that Bruno/Abbachio/Narnancia as well as Weather Report should be on on the list

>>157320591
Abbachio and Weather Report had all the suffering

>>157320505
The bandwith has been used up, enjoy an imageboard without images until next month:^)

>>157320633

We've become an anonymous textboard, the most patrician style of forums.

Makoto Itou was honestly a victim of his own fucking awful father - one of the most despicable charcters i have encountered

>>157316901
His life was rather average for his world until the Eclipse, and even then you've got plenty of people who had it worse or at least just as bad.

>>157320591
>>157320611
A lot of characters in Jojo suffered greatly, let's keep it to only a couple.

>>157320759
True - i would only include main villains and heroes (besides Pol) - Jolyne definitely needs to be on the list though. But where should she be placed

>>157320456
Yeah nah >>157317015

>>157318347
>wide
>0 suffering
Why are crossboarders so retarded?
Just stop making this stupid chart.

>light, tomoko, the girl that gets raped in that doujin and the guy from the teasing manga have the same level of suffering
>the girl from the shindol doujin is on there twice
This chart is all sorts of messed up.

>>157320802
Why was he removed then?
i mean the guys whole existence is suffering, youd think that would give him a spot on the chart

>>157320826
Light didn't suffer as much as he was BTFO hard.

>>157320856
true that. He can take spot S 55 D 35 which is currently occupied by a double, as >>157320826
pointed out.

>>157320864
That's true, but it's weird seeing all those characters in the same row.

>>157320810
>>157318896
You'd expect people here to actually watch the show or read the manga, right?

>>157318347
Sauce on 45, 25?

Why nobody is telling OP to fuck off? And why OP only criteria for this chart is the first guy to post a random set of numbers for a character?

>>157320889
This is a fucking /co/ circlejerk isn't it?

>>157320864
No he suffered. He dreamed big and lost big. He thought of himself as a GOD and then got gutshot by FUCKING MATSUDA! He then had enough time to die like a dog while contemplating his complete failure. If that isn't suffering, I don't know what is.

>>157320877
does feel like he should be higher up the suffer spectrum but im not quite sure on the guidelines here

>>157320918
>Why nobody is telling OP to fuck off?
They are.

>And why OP only criteria for this chart is the first guy to post a random set of numbers for a character?
Because the people that post the image is expected to have watched the show, you dumb autist.

>>157320918
I just the reported the first threads but I guess mods are too retarded to do the job.

>>157320826
The chart is already shit in the first place. Who the fuck thought its a good idea to assign numbers and use really small boxes to slap shitty icons in them?

>>157320912

Shindol, emergence

>>157320918
it's "fun"
Ever heard of that word before?

>>157320935
I am trying to co-operate here and you have my word I've never been on /co/.
>>157320949
No guidelines yet, but I think there are two huge minus factors here (pun intended): his work pays off in the end (he wins once) and he doesn't die. People in the higher values easily suffered much more.

>>157315129
They all deserve it.

>>157320984
Time to fap

>>157320990
I guess you're not from /a/ if you make such retarded mistakes, just stop.

I think Rem suffering should be a bit higher, 50 at least, it was fine on the first edit.
Also what the fuck is going on with the site?

>>157320990
That it pays off really shouldnt be important, i mena alot of the upper section has people on the winning side getting what they want.
He doesnt permanently die however i can agree on, but if you think about it he had an ending that made him chose to suffer for the rest of his life by never again reuniting with his friends and live on his achievements
just my 2 cents

>>157320702
add crude /i/ functionality and it will truly be the bathroom stall of the internet.

>>157316471
>Saori from Geiger Counter on the same tier of suffering as Nishitaka
>half as much as Megumeme
what

>>157320986
It'd take autism to consider this fun

>>157320981
The 20x20 format is terrible too. 10x10 would have been clearer to see.

It's just too hard to make a chart like this because you have too many factors to consider:
>you can't quantify human emotions and pain
>how much does the character suffer compared to other characters in his universe?
>is the character defined by his suffering or is it the generic orphaned kid sobstory most animu use?
>does the character suffer his entire life or does he get redeemed?

>majority of the characters don't even have SUFFERING as one of their key points
Really, /a/? Why the fuck is Frieze or Dio even there? Why are both watashis there? Why the fuck is anyone on the 0 suffering line there?

>>157320960
The last time at least some people came out with a point system to determine a character spot in the chart, that killed the thread and the chart though(I guess that was the point), but this time people are just making up numbers on their whim and the one that comes first wins the spot in the chart.

>>157321090
it's a guideline, not an official rule. People in the upper levels have got fucked over hard, perhaps the only one who has no business being there is Tamamo.

>>157320942
Well, he suffered worse in the manga. Mikami spites him when he sees Light panic, says he's no god. Light crawls to Ryuk asking him to write their names and Ryuk just says "yeah I'll write", shows Light his own name in the death note and Light sits in front of everyone for 40 seconds realizing he's about to fucking die with indignity and shame.

Still, he spent several years of his young adulthood thinking and feeling like he was god. A few minutes of pure suffering before a heart attack isn't as bad as others desu.

>>157321156
Making a scale system is difficult, but I have noticed that if you can make your case the person who's making the collage is willing to listen.

>/a/ character chart
>has a video game character
So anything with an anime art style is anime now? Might as well put Avatar and RWBY in.

>>157321044
Have fun
prepare for some depression

>>157321121
t. aspergers