The future of the anime industry

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Yes

This should come with a giant note for americans that it doesn't mean them

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>>157179912
>pandering to filthy gaijin

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>>157180047
I said foreigners, not americans.

>>157180425
What happened in 06?

>>157180181
Better chinese propaganda than american propaganda.

Since we won the war, shouldn't it be required?

>>157180697
To be fair if you put all the english speaking countries together it's probably enough to rival with China.

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>>157180425
> TV animation
> the future

>>157180181
But America is still winning. Go USA!

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>>157181047
Merchandising and pachinko are the future, probably LN and manga adaptations.

more chinese pandering yes
cr/funi/amazon/etc anime needs to die
there's needs to be a smaller drm free place like gog but for anime

>>157180425
You can take application specific screenshots with alt+printscreen and cropped screenshots with shift+printscreen.
Stop being a mong and uploading full desktop screenshots.

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>>157179912
>Will japs start making anime to pander to foreigners ?

>>157181172
is that GNOME?
more importantly, can you link the whole presentation here?

>>157180181

>NA has a Market
>Couldn't fucking get Koe no Katachi and Kono Sekai no Katasumi Ni

Yeah fuck you.

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>>157181267
>is that GNOME?
Yup

If anyone wants it in pdf version you can grab it from here http://aja.gr.jp/english/japan-anime-data .

>>157181509
At least fullscreen the fucking pdf before taking a screenshot.

>>157181509
Thank you Anon
This looks interesting. Maybe they are not as worried as we are.

>>157180181
>1 contract in Antarctica
Fucking what?

>>157181799
Well, the industry's gotten much bigger, and the charts were done by businessmen, not artists.

>>157180181
It's interesting that 'straya is a high as it is. Props to Madman, I guess, especially seeing how they serve such a tiny market.

>>157181938
I'm more surprised about the 10-29 contracts in North Korea.

>>157179912
>>157180181
>>157180697
This. American sales don't really count in terms of Japan's outcome with anime (in said country).

>>157179912
>Non japs
>Buying anime

>>157180181
>you'll see gommunist inspired anime in your lifetime
>gommie girls doing gommie things
Feels good

>>157183611
>Chart clearly shows foreigners spending money on anime

No, FUCK no. Lest we get "diversity" and feminism in anime. I like my pink and green haired moeblobs, I don't need literally tumblr-art of a stranded whale.

>>157183782
Why? Diversity overall improves the quality of the work. What's so bad about it?

>>157184028
Nonsense. The more Korean names in the credits, the worse the animation quality.

Westerners have better taste in anime, so they better find a way to make it profitable to pander to us.

>>157184028
Poke your own eyes out.

>>157184079
There's nothing wrong with diversity when it comes to art, I'd take a risky project with multiple countries working on it, rather than a dozen generic harem animes.

Imo the main problem with the industry is you get a billion low budget animes instead a few iconic works.

>>157184325
Now you're just baiting.

Only the Japanese can do anime right. Everyone else can fuck off.

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>>157179912
What is chink dragon?
It has like 100mil views on their stream.

>>157183687
>China
>Communist

>>157179912
>(((foreigners)))
They mean Chinese and the South East Asians.

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>>157184325
You don't know the reason why 4chan likes anime.

>>157180697
Unit 731 harem/SoL anime when?

>>157184502
I wouldn't even go there. I like anime because it's Japanese. Not French, not Mexican, Korean or whatever. Japanese.

>>157184406
Which party is in power?

>>157184600
Exactly. Introducing diversity will make anime into something else entirely. Fuck that.
If they want cartoons they can make their own.

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>>157184502
It's already been done m8, most older cartoons were animated by japs and directed by europeans.

>>157184028
Feminist's "diversity" is actually unity

>>157180621
Probably strong showings in earning from the last several years, which justified a sudden market saturation of anime.

>>157184884
>Communist Party of China
>Communist

>>157186386
Following that logic, the USA isn't capitalist either.

>>157187002
"That logic" is that the CPC is communist in name only, ever since deng xiaoping turned the country pretty much into state capitalism.
Also the capitalist-socialist spectrum is a sliding scale with no country falling into pure version of either system.

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But I don't want anime get ruined by normies

>>157187398
What is wrong with these people. Christ.

>>157187560
>321m views
He's made bank from these bideos

>>157187398
He gets 300000 view maximum when doing a video on anime. His opinion is pretty much irrelevant.

Also, anime has been mainstream for a while now.

>>157187210
Someone post that /int/ chart about how true communism has never been tried in history. I only have the /m/ Zeon version.

>>157184475
Glorious SEA monkey getting their own anime soon. But i hate you flips

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>>157188835
Taiwan is the only real winner. The creators made the show not because of corporate (like those mainland chinks) or money, but simply out of real love for the craft.

>>157187210
They're still closer to socialism than capitalism. If the chinese government were to fund anime, it would surely be communist propaganda which is what OP was saying.

State capitalism is a myth btw, capitalism is a valid political system, not a synonym for things you don't like.

>>157181799
They're not worried at all about a collapse due to not being able to get enough money.

If anything the main worry is about a collapse from making just far too much anime for the amount of people they have to do the work such that its detrimentally effecting the quality of the end product and resulting in more and more work that doesn't even air when it was supposed to due to lack of staff and time.

I hope not.

They tried to do that with video games and it didn't end well.

>>157184502
I don't know which one is more delusional between that picture and your post.

>>157188086
And you get 1 (you) after 1 hour. Sucks to be you.

>>157184325
>>>/co/

Enjoy your diversity.

>>157188558
I said the cpc is no longer communist, implying that it used to be. If you need evidence that they're no longer communist, then just read the cpc's position on the "socialist market economy". The mental gymnastics they pull to say that they still adhere to marxist thought should make it obvious that they do not.

>>157188998
Capitalism is an economic system where there is private ownership of the means of production. If the government has a significant ownership of enterprise in a market economy then that is state capitalism.

>>157189526
tell me about it.

how someone could think boulder punching was a good idea is baffling.

>>157189967
>implying that it used to be
It never was one. Communism or whatever, it's all just an excuse for the people in power to benefit themselves.

>post about the anime industry
>now an argument about definitions of political systesm

>>157180181
I thought Americans hated Japan or something.

>>157190569
Japan's always been xenophobic, so yeah.

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>>157184028
Please stick to ruining society you disgusting tumlrwhale.
Anime is japanese and should remain japanese.

>>157190683
Anime is literally the result of the technical inability of nips who tried to imitate Disney.

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>>157190746
>imitate disney
I'm just glad they're not doing that anymore.
Poor walter he didn't deserve what they did to his legacy,

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>>157190569
Americans are weird about Japan. Sure, weebs fetishize the entire country and most don't give a fuck either way, but I've literally never met anybody who had """"""forgiven"""""" Japan for Pearl Harbor.

Moral of the story is don't visit the American south.

>>157190746
Looks more like they were imitating Max Fleischer. Especially Astro Boy.

>>157190996
Earlier still. Toei. Panda and the Magic Serpent . 1950s first animated feature film in full colour from Japan. The entire concept of the venture was trying to imitate Disney. If you watch the film you will see they are trying to animate on 1s and all sorts but the technical proficiency in the animation just isn't there at all, the characters bounce around the screen feeling utterly weightless. They failed to compete internationally too.

>>157179912
China likes the same otaku bullshit

>>157180181
>Germany
>got Kizu and In This Corner Of The World pretty pretty instantly
>no Your Name

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>>157191158
>likes the same otaku bullshit
Everyone likes the same otaku bullshit.
Only delusional toonamitards want anime to change.

>>157191116
Not him, but 1950 anime has nothing to do with modern anime, the branching off through the years is massive.
Anime i'd say is what it is BECAUSE it's made ina a very niche way, globalization will only fuck with it and my very specific fetishes, so no thanks.

Thankfully nips are hilariously xenophobic and automatically lash out against the industry trying to pander to filthy gaijins, nevermind chinese or korean apes. It's hilarious how tumblrwhales do mental gymnastics to avoid discussing the sexism and racism in anime because they know it's a lost cause.

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>>157185067
Which also led to the WMT series.

Japanese adaptation of western youth novels.

>>157191228
What are you even talking about? All those things are interrelated histories you can trace through right to today. People from studios leave to form other studios and the styles of people of the past influence and inform those of the future. The fact that those early experiments in imitating Disney failed led to Japanese animation taking a "limited animation" approach which in turn led to the development of the plethora of stylistic differences in animation in Japan we find today.

>>157191269
Nice pic :^)

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>>157191227
>mfw toonami is doing so badly it's just a matter of time before it gets cancelled
I still remember when the fuckers tried to make a general on /a/.

>>157191292
I mean that nowadays there is a common starting point but the influence of that era is so long ago that it's irrelevant, the styles and cultural tropes are so divergent comparing them is silly. Using that as an excuse for mixing with the cancerous industry of the west is even worse.

>>157190746
So? That was something from a long time ago. Current anime is very different, just like how current America was very different. For one thing, the Disney that anime tried to imitate no longer exist. Current Disney just makes more cookie cutter CGs while amassing more live action franchise properties.

>>157179912
Overseas = Chinks, Gooks, Flips, etc.

Definitely not fat Americans SJWs.

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>>157191344
W-we all make mistakes once in a while anon.

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>>157190994
i forgive them
it's what any good christian would do

>>157184028
Fuck off.
t. gook

>>157191396
Yeah, overseas is more like every other damn place except the US. Serious question: what made the US so averse to animation? The 'it's just for kids' thing doesn't make sense since people had no problem saying they like dreamworks/pixar movies. From Asia to Europe, animations doesn't seem to have the stigmata or disdain that I keep hearing from the US.

>>157180019
This seems like a decent compromise.

>>157191475
Murrikans are a very autistic kind of retarded, like every dominant nation in history. They just kinda decided cartoons were for kids.

>>157191364
what western industry? if you're talking CGI animation it's already happening anyway because there's not enough artists to meet demand and the population can't sustain itself so there will be less artists in the coming years

>>157191292
Anime getting into limited animation at the time that there was a minimalism movement in the animation scenen around the world should prove him wrong.

>>157191364
That's silly, many Japanese animators today still are huge fans of western animation and take influence from it. Sure there are many unique things about Japanese animation but its roots are in attempts to imitate the west and they have both western and Japanese animation take inspirate and influence from each other to this day.

>>157191386
So its kind of stupid to behave as if Japanese animation is something that exists in a vacuum devoid of "evil" western influence when the whole enterprise was inspired by it and established by people attempting to imitate it.

>>157191819
That second sentence in the first reply is terrible but I think you can get the point still.

>>157191819
>So its kind of stupid to behave as if Japanese animation is something that exists in a vacuum devoid of "evil" western influence
You're still missing the point. Nobody's behaving like it existed in a vacuum.

People are talking about current influences. Nobody had any issue with the old influences. People even on /a/ still praise old Disney cartoons. People are worried because of the current trends in America, particularly in the likes of comic books where creators awkwardly shoehorn their pet causes or political views into their works. That's what people mean when they don't want western influences. They're talking about the current situation. So again, you talking about old influences is irrelevant to the discussion.

>>157179912
Pandering usually happens when you gain new followers.
They've already lost interest in overseas markets.

>>157191650
Limited animation in Japan really took off as a thing with stuff like Astro Boy and Tezuka looking for a way to make it viable to make TV animation a thing in Japan by keeping things as cheap as possible.

>>157191957
But both cultures already do influence each other today, many Japanese animators are big fans of western animation and the reverse is true too. What people are actually worrying about is "muh SJWs" ruining their lolis and all of that. That isn't really going to happen. The real money is coming from the Chinese not the west and the companies in the west that are funding anime like Crunchyroll are well aware of what their customers want to see. They advertised the shit out of that "rape fantasy" anime thats airing despite the fact it caused outrage among SJWs.

>>157192049
>What people are actually worrying about is "muh SJWs" ruining their lolis and all of that. That isn't really going to happen
Yes, exactly, because of
>The real money is coming from the Chinese not the west and the companies in the west
It's amazing how you can get it and still miss the point of the conversation flow at the same time. Again, nobody said anything about it existing in a vacuum.

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>>157191423
>The atomic bomb that fell on Nagasaki on August 9, 1945 detonated in Urakami only 500 m (1640 ft) from the cathedral, completely destroying it. As the Feast of the Assumption of Mary (August 15) was near, Mass was held on the day and was well attended. The resultant collapse and heat-wave cindered and buried all those present in the Cathedral.[5] The destruction of the cathedral hit the religious community of Nagasaki the hardest, as they viewed it as a loss of spirituality. It had such an impact, that noted playwright Tanaka Chikao wrote his most successful play, Head of Mary, about the efforts of Christians in Nagasaki to reconstitute their faith by rebuilding the Virgin Mary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immaculate_Conception_Cathedral,_Nagasaki

Really makes you think.

>>157179912
>china pandering in anime
I guess /m/ better get start learning Mandarin.

>>157179912
I hope not. It's shit when they do it in video games and if LWA is any indication it'll be just as shit if they do it in anime.

>>157192049
>many Japanese animators are big fans of western animation
They're not. They're fans of the big box office numbers

>>157192128
The point is that Japanese animation right now is influenced by the west and always has been throughout its history and that what you are worrying about isn't happening and isn't going to happen. The kind of influence you actually see is that things like romcom harems, action an sci-fi/fantasy elements are included. I've specifically read comments from people within the industry that are saying as much. That if they are making an anime with a target of an international audience the production committees will want to include those kind of elements because that does well abroad.

>>157192247
What are you even talking about? If you ever see photos of animators desks its not uncommon to see western comic books, figurines or animated series. If you read interviews with animators its not at all uncommon when asked about what they like to come out with some western animation too.

>>157191475
But i like it. You heard it here.

>>157179912
No, because the only reason we're watching anime is because it's aimed at a Japanese audience and we're filthy weebs.

>>157180181
>Australia pretty high
ayyyy soon the lolis will be calling each other cunts and hunting kangaroos

>>157184502
tfw this is true for the women I know who like anime

Legitimately, I have a bunch of female friends who moved onto romance anime after being shamed out of romcoms, and then out of Twilight ya romance novels. They just want to watch their romance in peace.

They are weeb who want to racemix though. Just like 4chan

>>157192515
Don't you mean there will be no lolis or flat girls because they're illegal in Australia?

SJWs are not the issue when it comes to a possibility of anime and manga pandering directly to gaijin trash. It's the way any creative industry gets treated in the west.
I am not saying that Japan doesn't have it's board meatings or poll marketing or editors fucking with artists, but at it's core it's still an industry that rests on the shoulders of people who do it because they love it and strives thanks to the immense natural selection between them provided by how relatively free and easy it is to get published.
I am not saying that western comics or cartoons can't be good but, still, those industries are extremely monopolistic, nepotistic, overreliant on wasting millions to market the smallest things and are entirely at the mercy of personal perceptions of a bunch of fucks in the suits.
The moment you allow those to influence anime is the moment you get your favorite studios or publishers turned into an anime equivalent of modern Konami/Capcom.

Production budgets will shrink even more in favor of marketing. Every successful franchise will be milked to death. There will be more original anime designed by committees and less adaptations, etc.

Not even talking about cancerous western copyright laws.

>>157192515
Is there any anime set in Australia? Mad max settings don't count.

>Australian SoL never

>>157192515
>>157192630
Number of works licensed really isn't a particularly helpful metric though if we are talking about influence on the content. Besides huge properties the majority of the time foreign licensing won't make up a huge portion of late night anime's revenue stream. What is really important is things like companies getting directly involved with funding anime and getting on production committees like we have been seeing more and more from Chinese companies.

Once you get on a Production Committee you can control the content or at least exert some influence over it depending on how much you contribute in funds to the production. When you are licensing you are on the outside with a take it or leave it proposition. As far as I know the only western company really doing this at the moment is Crunchyroll and they are never placed very high on the production committee so won't influence a great deal.

Shows they have been involved with recently are the likes of Kemono Friends, Masamune-kun's Revenge, Idol Incidents, Nanbaka, Kiznaiver, Anne Happy, Space Patrol Luluco. Nothing seems particularly un-Japanese animation about those.

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>>157192702
Fuck Australia

>>157192702
Lucy-May of the Southern Rainbow, an adapatation of a novel by an Australian writer about moving from England to Adelaide. It's from the World Masterpiece Theatre series and they are almost always at least decent unless you are the kind of person only watching anime for things like fanservice and modern cute anime girl designs.

>>157192686
I'm honestly confused. Do you not know very much about how anime is funded and how the content is decided and such in Japan? There are constant complaints from industry insiders about how the production committee system they have there stifles creativity and forces them to make cheap shitty products for a quick profit.

>>157192873
People will always complain about it because that's what every publisher in existence does. What matters is that witht hings being the way they are we still can get a dozen of original shows each year with a bunch of them being somewhat good too. Giving any power to the west will merely increase the numbers of committees without increasing the creative output.

>>157193192
Every single show is produced by a committee in anime. A committee of big companies that produce DVD/BDs, CDs, Merchandise, Manga and so on to sell off the back of that. Almost always the studio themselves even if they create the IP doesn't actually profit from that stuff much. Studios are almost always contractors and workers for hire making shows that were decided would exist by a committee and the content of which is largely decided by businessmen and producers.

>>157193279
I'll try to put it in more simple terms.

With things as is, Studio X has to answer to 10 Yamada-san's from a committee.

With western influenece Studio X is forced to cater to 10 Yamada-sans AND 5 Mr. Goldberg's on top of that thereby stiffling creative freedom even more than it was already.

And if it gets REAL big i nthe west then it will be 20 Goldbergs and 10 Yamadas at which point you will get a modern Capcom.

>>157193487
Honestly that just isn't how it works. If anything it would just push Japanese firms off the production committee. Like with the Chinese productions we see now usually just the Chinese company on the committee and maybe so nip TV station compared to the usual.

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>>157192702
Koala Boy Kokki and Fushigi na Koala Blinky both feature koalas and might be set in Australia, I don't know.

Japan fucking loves koalas.

>>157190994
American South is fine. Don't visit Florida or Texas they are assholes.

On all levels of being an American I am eternally butthurt over Pearl Harbor.

As a individual I've forgiven them.

>>157188086
>mainstream
And i just heard differently that most of normalfags in america still see it as wierd and dont want to have anything to do with it

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>>157190895
I am glad he didnt need to see what his own studio has become

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>>157194619
>Don't visit Florida or Texas they are assholes.
TEXANS DID NOTHING WRONG

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>>157180181
>Best korea buying jap cartoons while firing missiles at them every now and then
what is this shit?

>>157183107
kim loves anime

>>157191364
>toonami is doing badly
It is? So is it true that only what keeps it alive is Dragonball?

>>157194979
Kim wants to nuke Tokyo so that Kyoani would reign supreme.

Doubtful. Japan won't even ban CP

>>157191364
you want anime to fail? okay.

>>157181172

Real money is with originals. Madoka, GuP, Love Live, YoI.

Novel adaptations actually sell like shit most of the time.

>>157184502
>anime
>gender roles

So men are second rate citizens and average schoolgirl can KO an adult man with her slap?

>>157194979
Kim-whoever probably imports anime then broadcast it as made by Best Korea Animation Studio.

>>157194724

Who gives a shit about USA?

Anime is a 20 billion $ industry.

>>157180019
>Western anime fans like seeing great OVAs turned into mediocre TV series with bad pacing
Sounds about right.

>>157194979
Lets be fair, if he fires nukes at Beijing, Seoul and Tokyo I think that the question isnt if anime is gonna die but how the world would react to 50+ million dying instantly.

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>>157184028
Who could be behind this post?

>>157181509
what? a source with quality content? am I in reddit?

>>157184502
>when faggots on here complain about degeneracy in western society and praise shitty nip culture while LARPing as little anime girls on /a/ and fapping to an endless collection of futa

Pretty cringe desu imo

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>>157192791
>Lucy and her sisters enjoy a range of new experiences such as discovering exotic animals and meeting with aborigines and other new people.
>meeting with aborigines

>>157195209
The highest rated show on it right now isn't even an anime and every other week they are canning something.

>>157194799
I wonder how old man would react to current Disney?

>>157187398
It's already being ruined. It will get only worse from this on thanks to shit like amazon, netfix, "diversity" quotas, preparation for Olympics and nips government being overrun with liberals and other murican cocksuckers.

>>157180181
South America would be a much bigger Market than NA by far, if only they actually bought stuff instead of watching pirated stuff it in shit quality over at jkanime or whatever.

>>157194979
He knows that all cancer that ruining anime resides in Tokyo.

>>157191227
>I for one enjoy eating shit

Tomino was always right.

>>157197784
Toonami eats the industrial class shit though.

>>157184502
These people think masturbating to the food chain mascot makes them "us weeaboos right."

>>157197568
Are you saying that it wasn't already ruined with all the waifu trash and shonens?

>>157189967
You're using a marxist definition of capitalism. Following that definition, absolute monarchies are a form of state capitalism.

Capitalism doesn't work if there's only one corporation with a monopoly over key sectors of the economy, much less if that corporation could write laws to forbid anyone from competing.

>>157190895
Inside Out is the best Pixar Movie in years. Post Frozen if you want an actual disney movie that sucks.

Japanese anime sells because it does not pander to westerners, or even other Asians. If it starts pandering, it will soon fall in popularity and become worse than stupid comic books.

>>157198057
>Japanese anime sells because it does not pander
arent there interviews of people in the industry admitting they cater to the no-lifers because they spend all their money on it?

>>157198057
Wut? Anime panders to NEETs to sell.

>>157198057
Anime is already just glorified advertisement. Pachinko alone sells more than TV and blu ray sales.

>>157181938
Penguins also love anime !

>>157179912
Manglobe used to do that, and look where they are now.

>>157197948
You won't know how good thing was until you lose it or replace it with even worse thing.

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>>157192702
But Mad Max settings are the best.

>>157198108
>>157198156
Learn to read.

>>157198988
There's no difference between jap or chink or murrican NEET.

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Why not, it could be good

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>>157181234
>>157180019
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>>157195770
kek
https://youtu.be/Ga8APtGhFys?t=1264

>>157197300
That doesn't necessarily mean it's doing badly. Try again please.

>>157179912
I doubt it. My guess is there will be more shorts and fewer tv shows overall

It begins.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-05-14/kobe-anime-street-to-shut-down-in-june/.116073

>>157179912
If suddenly there was way more money in pandering to foreigners, probably.

>>157180181
>licenced anime in somalia

Guess its OP and thats why the niggers there all want to play pirate

>>157204171
It's from money problems, actually.

>>157204171
thanks god

>>157185067
WHOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

>doesn't understand sales
>doesn't understand income other than BD's
>guys i don't understand but it looks like anime can't exist anymore
>can anime please be more like toonami and /co/ please.
You're all retarded.

>>157208145
What are you even trying to say ?

The graph clearly explains where all the money comes from.