Question: How do Shinji and Asuka find food and shit

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>>156961933
Maybe they shouldn't

In canon they fuck each other until they die of starvation.

>>156961933
they eat the homo goo

>>156961933
They eat Rei duh.

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big white sand wasteland with few supplies here and there

They don't. The universe re-sets shortly after this scene. The rebuild movies are sequels.

>>156962132
>>>/e/vageeks

>>156962132
Rebuilds aren't canon though
It's an alternate story
Also that's pretty gay

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>fucking in the end of the world

>>156961933
Scavenge from nearby ruins and Yui said something to Shinji earlier that suggested Asuka and Shinji weren't the only ones to emerge from the sea of LCL.

>>156961933
There is a huge chuck of meat in front of them and an ocean of fanta

>>156962201
>Yui said something to Shinji earlier that suggested Asuka and Shinji weren't the only ones to emerge from the sea of LCL
Are you suggesting they cannibalize them?

>>156962233
No. Just that they're going to rebuild civilization and not by being Adam and Eve.

>>156962288
I think that's the allusion Anno had but the context Yui set up allowed for anyone to come back

>>156961933
They can eat pussy.

>>156962288
Is there any plant life left?

>>156962462
Yeah and also there's this:
>It seems that for the movie produced after the end of the TV series there was a plan to create an entirely new story in addition to remakes of Episodes 25 and 26. Anno also used his motto for this all-new project, and he gave himself up emotionally and physically. The scenario was similar to Attack on Titan, as Anno explained: “There is a city surrounded by an A.T. Field, and in that city live only humans. There is only one bridge in or out of the city. Outside the walls of the A.T. Field live Angels who prey on humans.” “What we couldn’t do on TV was show humans being eaten because being eaten is extremely terrifying to people,” said Anno regarding this completed work that would become a phantom.

>>156962525
Damn. I would love to have seen that. That's a really cool idea.
I think leaving the end ambiguous is better though

>>156962525
Source on this? That premise is way too similar to AOT.

>>156962525
I know this isn't true by any means but I like the idea that Angels tried to understand humans the more the show went on

>Asuka mindrape
>Rei infection mind probing
>Becoming a tangable body in the form of Kaworu

>>156962687
It's true you little bitch.
http://otakumode.com/news/5458c7dadb7b183963e68abf/Evangelion-20th-Anniversary-Bombshell-a-Mysterious-Work-Just-Like-Attack-on-Titan-and…-Hideaki-Anno-Talk-Show-“Director-Edition”-Report

Or if that was a method to goad me into sourcing, then good job.

>>156962023
Did the LCL cure Shinji of his betaness?

>>156962487
I'm sure there's some, just not near where the third impact occurred.

>>156962525
Huh, that makes sense
Humanity hides out in the black egg that got plucked out and dropped back onto earth and the angels mob the rest of the earth

>>156962525
>What we couldn’t do on TV was show humans being eaten because being eaten is extremely terrifying to people
I cant help but laugh at this, he must be kicking himself.

>>156961933
Maybe scavanging, but honestly, its not much of a stretch to say "magic".
The angels had abnormal sources of energy, shinji was in direct contact with rei. He migth have some temporary immunity to starvation.
Specially if we go for the "long time alone" theory, as misato cross was rusted.

>>156961933
>How do Shinji and Asuka find food and shit
Plants and animals aren't part of Lilith. It's possible some survived.

>>156965830
>Plants and animals aren't part of Lilith.
why though?

>>156962183
Rebuilds are better

>>156962132
This

>>156965830
>Plants and animals aren't part of Lilith.
Yes they are.
All living things on Earth are lilin, and they were all tanged and destroyed.

>>156961933

Walmart.

>>156962183
Not according to staff lel

>>156966020
No

>>156961933
I don't know about food, but I assume they can still shit the usual way.

>>156961981
Brilliant film

>>156961933
The problem with criticizing Eva is that you're looking too far into the logic of the show instead of looking at on a purely emotional level.

>>156962963
Yeah, LCL increases your male potency and works as an aphrodisiac (that's why Asuka was in heat 24/7, Shinji fapped to a comatose body and Mari went around sniffing people). Also it is nutritious, you can survive eating people soup.

>>156968985
Whatever you say anon.

Rei is omnipotent at this point due to Lilith and Adam merging together. I doubt she will let them starve to death.

>>156961933
I haven't watched any of the rebuilds because I liked the end of EVA and don't want to taint my memory. Should I watch them?

>>156970755
why dont you

rewatch EoE

then Rebuild

>>156970755
Yes.

>>156970755
Eh they're "okay"
I definitely prefer 90s anime art style though

>>156961933
Drink the LCL.

I've never watched EVA because I feel I'm too empathetic and suseptible to emotion
Should I watch EVA or is this something that's going to fuck with me

>>156963625
>not near
For an event of this scale half of the Earth was near. RIP Asuka and Shinji

>>156972201
It's going to fuck with you.

>>156961933
Soylent Tang

>>156972201
A remarkable post i remember seeing on /a/ was some anon saying that watching the show culminating into EoE was unironically akin to a religious experience because of the situation he was in at the time he watched it. After watching it myself i do believe him.
If you're a self-described 'empathetic', well you're in for a ride

The show is a red herring in that it's really less a sci-fi or post-apocalyptic fiction but actually a raw character drama

>>156972440
>>156972270
Then i guess I'm in for fun. As long it doesn't make me want to neck myself when I'm done I don't think i'll have a problem

What order should I watch this shit in.

>>156972201
Its not as dramatic as everyone say. I went in expecting full blown depression ending, but had a pleasant surprise.
If you are too empathetic you will certainly bond well with the characters, but the ending tone is strongly upbeat.

>>156961933
Well, there's a literal sea of tang.

>>156972619
Episode 1-Epsiode 26
Then EoE
That's it

Rebuilds are like a bad fanfic with production value

>>156972619
Actually if you pay attention to it, it wont ever make you want to neck yourself by the end.

During, yeah i guess, sure

But not once you finish.

>>156962525
So Anno was going to make Attack on Titan but good.

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>>156972673
I wish the original series had that much value, they're worse plot-wise but the value difference is HUGE.
And we wouldn't have had ep 25 and 26

>>156972769
Well, certainly theres a lot of nutrients there, dont you agree?

>>156972826
Probably

>>156972826
I guess you could call it soul food

>>156972819
Fuck you, 25 and 26 are fucking great. The entire series was shaping for a mental resolution, and we got it. Although rushed and not fitting 100% with EoE original stories, it is well written and heartwarming. The characters finally got what they needed a fucking group therapy session

>>156972826
Can you use it as lube to fuck Asuka

Shinji being the beta cuck white knight he is will provide for asuka and treat her like a princess like women always are. Fucking normies are completely disgusting.

>>156973024
>Shinji
>Treating asuka like a princess
Yeah sure

>>156973024
Shinji is anything but a white knight.
He tried to kill Asuka like 50 times.

>>156972937
Spoilers for anon just watching the series
I kinda feel bad for Asuka because she never got her full resolution in the series after building up her problems in the director's cut. Then in EoE she snaps out of it with the best fight in the series only to be struck down by a plot device (manufactured weapon to kill any angel that just happened to be finished against Asuka while fighting regenerating creatures)

>>156973204
I feel some small parts of EoE are rushed and that it could have used ~10 extra minutes of footage. Asuka "awakening" is perhaps the most most glaring example. Shinji spent 1 month in 01 and still had some doubts about who was there.
Asuka should have had a better resolution with her mom.
She does have a resolution on the tv ending, but j believe it is a completely different yet similar ending, not a complement.

>>156973204
She had a proud warriors death. Not exactly a happy resolution, but i feel it gave closure to her character, even ignoring what happens post third impact.

>>156973379
Well her very last scene "embracing" Shinji is a good reflection of her accepting life.

Alright anons this something I've never was quite clear about, was that first choking scene Shinji's imagination or was it a flashback?

Does tumbling down actually play in the animu

>>156973714
Yes

>>156973714
>>156973736
Unless the movie doesnt count as the anime

>>156973736
Is it as out of place as it sounds? I've only listened to it through the meme video

>>156973846
It actually fits very well

>>156973860
I'll wait to see then. Sounds hard to think about
I'm sure that won't be the first I say that during watching this

>>156973846
The music in EoE is incredibly on point during the climax

>>156973846
It fits well the moment it shows up in the movie. The lyrics and tone of it can be summarized by "oh well, FUCK", which fits well.
The entire series has music that dont feel weird, such as asuka major breakdown being acompanied by "hallelujah" and death of major characters by Beethoven.

>>156974260
I was meant to say "different music that yet dont feel weird".

>>156974260
So it really is a "well fuck everything it's all fucking bad" moment fun.

So does she actually like Shinji or not? I can't fucking understand this show.

Would Asuka be less of a bitch to Shinii if they were the inly ones left?
What would sex with asuka in post apocolyptic world be like?

>>156974919
Yes
She's frustrated with him though

>>156974955
Thanks, Anon. My mind is at peace now.

>>156974919
She does, at very least for the first half of the series. Then their relationship goes really bad by the second half, culminating on shinji almost murdering her.
The series ends ambiguously, its up to you to decide if they can get over their past hardships, or if they even want to.

>>156974925
Two words: Cabin fever.
She'd kill him or vice versa.

>>156974925
>Would Asuka be less of a bitch to Shinii if they were the inly ones left?
Maybe, but not because they would be alone, but rather because what they went through during the instrumentality. Shinji also has a a fucking LOT to improve.

>>156972619
1-24, eoe, then 25,26. Skip the rebuilds

>>156961933
its all in shinji head they are all dead

>>156975435
No see >>156962193

>>156975576
What could you possibly gain by watching EoE before 25 and 26?

>>156973012
Asuka than kicks him in the balls and rips them off like the boy pussy he always wanted

>>156975749
No see >>156975435

>>156975768
Eoe is the true ending from when kawakoru dies it just makes more sense. 25 and 26 are what's going through the characters heads during instrumentality

>>156975833
Kawakoru?

>>156975768
you dont get spoilered about a few deaths
On the other hand you lose a lot of character explanation and development, which I believe is more important to understand eoe than the other way around, so i would got for the tv ending first.

>>156970587
Anon speaks the truth.

Nah they're seperate endings:
>Hayashibara: So there will be two episode 25s.
>Anno: Right, it will be a multi-ending. >Hayashibara: So, a dual... ah, a multi-ending. After episode 24 the endings will diverge.
>Anno: Right.
>Hayashibara: There will be two of them.
>Anno: There will be two of them. >Hayashibara: Ah, two endings. >Anno: Yes.
>Hayashibara: In terms of gaming - is it called a simulation game? What do you call it? The ending for that [particular] self changes as you go on [through the game].
>Anno: Right, a multi-ending [game]. >Hayashibara: You took this road so you went here. You took this road so you went here. The ending changes. That's how it goes.
>Anno: Um. Evangelion is my live performance. Since I create it with this sense of it being live, what I'm thinking now, what I'm feeling now, my current mood, all this gets transferred onto film - that was the initial theme, or the theme I had in my mind. >Hayashibara: Right.

>>156976069
Technically, episode 25' and half of episode 26' happen in the tv ending before 25 and 26. The endings diverge when komm susser tod ends.

>>156972919
That made me smile.

Thanks anon.

What was Gendo's end game?

>>156976946
To see Yui

>>156976946
Gendo didn't know that Yui wanted to stay in unit 01 so he tried to kick off the end of the world to get her out. True love desu.

>>156977191
Yui is actually the true mastermind of Eva so she could just exist forever

>>156962525
>being eaten is extremely terrifying to people
or my fetish

>>156977468
Bad fetish tbdesu
Also eaten as in torn apart and dying, not vore

>>156962525
no credibility to this story

>>156962183
Rebuilds are the real canon now

>>156977727
Rebuilds are Rebuilds

>>156977752
Yeah but they've replaced all NGE content and are the new representation of the series. Mari is now considered a major character in Eva.

Isn't "Rebuild" a fanterm?

Is there any news on 3.0+1.0

>>156977994
I don't think so
Maybe

>>156978252
anno ran out of budget so it will be instead a 40 minutes deconstruction of all the minour characters.

>>156970155
And that's why Misato was acting slutty

>>156978319
>anno ran out of budget
does he ever learn

Is shinji a well written character?

>>156978693
Very much so

>>156978693
Yes he is a very good depiction of a person struggling with self worth

>>156978693
No.
The way he behaves isn't akin to real depression at all.

>>156978693
He's well enough written. The show, on the whole, is not, despite how ambitious it might be.

>>156979022
He doesn't have depression though. It's more of a self worth issue

>>156978693
He's very relatable if nothing else

>>156979155
Ambition in a way can make up for a lack of some story elements. I'm waiting to watch it, but that's what I believe right now. That could very well change after I'm done with this.

>>156978802
>>156980100
Why does Shinji jack off to a comatose Asuka?

Discounting any Rebuild fuckery, asking how they're gonna get food is wholly beside the point of the scene.

>>156980232
I think Eva is very well-written
>>156980345
Pent up anger and teenage hornyness

>>156974919
in my mind its pretty obvious that by the end of the series they loved each other but its all up for debate really

>>156980390
It's a good question though...

Ayy an Eva thread
>>156980345
Because dem teen tiddies
It's been explained numerous times

>>156980345
14 year old me would have jacked off to comatose asuka too.

>>156980867
>>156981182
I still want to fuck Asuka.
Either out of hate or attraction i'm still not sure

>>156981508
Both

>>156981508
She's one of the trope creators of tsundere/bitch red heads with twintails, so yeah it's probably a mix of both.

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>>156981508
See how cute she looks during sex

>>156981508
Asuka is mai eternal waifu
>>156982349
I would cum instantly if I woke up to her on top of me with dem bedroom eyes

>>156982349
Her facial expression in Eva are so good
Those emotions in her final battle

>>156982349
I seen this discussion around before:
Do you think that small sex scene between asuka and shinji is only instrumentality or actually happened shortly before the coffee scene?

>>156980477
This might be late, but I'd like to know why you think Eva is particularly well-written. I have somewhat the opposite opinion (Eva isn't badly written by any means, but I think it could have been written much, much better), so I'd like to understand yours.

>>156980345
That scene was representing the audience through shinji

>>156983159
I never thought about it before. I really hope the latter.

>>156961933
the tang is edible

how many years until a fucking ooba booga ape jumps out of the LCL and rapes asuka

>>156961933
>speedwatching Evangelion

>>156970755
1.0 is pretty much just a newer looking first bit (up to the Ramiel fight with Rei IIRC)

2.0 goes off the rails and is pretty good as a stand alone anime film

3.0 makes no one happy, not even the people who like rebuild better or the NGE fanboys it's honestly not a very good film

Then you can wait for 4.0 with everyone with a sour taste in your mouth form 3.0.

>>156983228
Not him, but here are my though
Plotwise (the mythology, the angels, the plans, etc), its not really impressive, its not hard to create your own crazy world with a set of rules.
Eva shine, however, in writing characters. Its the focus of the series. Comparared to 99.99% of all other anime (and about 99% of all other media) who has very simple premisses for the characters, Eva tries to give some real development. We see them through several angles, many times resulting in different opnions.
I mean, none of them will be as deep as real person, no fiction ever will, but at very least there was an effort on that part.

>>156977191
He would have been more interested in the successful salvage operation if he didn't kinda know. He also still wants to be God and fuck whatever God there already is with a knife for what life is like.

>>156983430
Why would they choose humanity?

Moral of the story: things get REALLY fucked up when you try to play God. REALLY FUCKED UP.

>>156983228
Maybe the show could have better writing, ot's not perfect, but how it is now has touched me in a way no show has since.

>>156984153
It's weird how much of a cord Eva hit with me, no other piece of medium gave me the feeling Eva has and I'm not sure why, ya it's not perfect and not everyone is going to like it but every time I re-watch the series I fall in love with it again.

Maybe I have autism but man Eva really resonated with me.

>>156984274
Kinda get that feeling from FLCL and TTGL. FLCL in particular where it feels hilariously nostalgiac to me despite watching it 4 years ago.

Something just about the setting, gimmick and characters are that just makes something very unique.

>>156984511
Ya I get the same thing frrom TTGL as well, rewatched it recently with some friends and still loved it.

Been a long time since I've seen FLCL, I should really give that a rewatch, I remember not being a big fan my first time watching but I keep finding myself remembering certain scenes from it and going "that was actually a pretty great scene".

>>156982349
I want to fill her angry german pussy with my sperm.
She probably fucks like a fighter jet.

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>>156983900
Original premise was even more euphoric if you can believe it. A prehuman civilization was destroyed trying to make a god, a second ancestral race went extinct putting that god down and leaving warnings, and then humans dig it up and overcome obstacles placed to prevent their making the exact same mistake.

>>156983228

Like others in this thread have pointed out, Eva is really a character drama with a coat of sci-fi and religious symbolism on top. Explaining why Eva is well written would have me typing up character analysis for much longer than I care to, but I very much believe that Eva has some of the most deep and compelling characters in anime.

>>156984743
Sounds hilarious. Is there ANY story where playing god doesnt backfire big time?

>>156984743
Sounds like the EU of Halo with the precursers, forerunners and then the humminz

>>156984841
Sim Earth? Unless you're bad

>>156984841
Not really that come to mind.
I mean tons of animu, mango, and vidja from gr8 nippon are mostly about killing or overthrowing god and living in a world without.

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>>156983587
>1.0 is pretty much just a newer looking first bit (up to the Ramiel fight with Rei IIRC)
So, Evangelion version 1.0, the same as Neon Genesis but with some minor changes.
>2.0 goes off the rails and is pretty good as a stand alone anime film
So, Evangelion version 2.0, what fans of Evangelion always wanted it to be, a cool robot show with waifus and great visuals. "Eva as fans see it". That's also why you think it's good. It's actually a pandering version. Shinji goes nuclear, Rei, the number one waifu of the show is now the main love interest who gets embraced by him, the wet dream of every fat hikikkomori, Asuka is a cute tsundere, etc.
>3.0 makes no one happy, not even the people who like rebuild better or the NGE fanboys it's honestly not a very good film
So, Evangelion version 3.0. What Anno wants it to be, what it essentially is, a character drama where people don't understand each other and fail to communicate more than once. That's what Anno wanted fans to see in the original, but these waifufags and fujoshi disappointed him, eventually turning Eva into a shitty franchise with games and figurines.
3.0+1.0 will kill every single waifufag and fujoshi and turn Eva into something Anno always wanted it to be.
Long live the Master.

>>156984575
A lot of scenes in FLCL stand out, mostly becuase of the task at hand and ESPECIALLY the music going along with it. Pillows a great band aside; it really sets that era really hard and makes the nostalgia a lot larger.

>>156985176
I hope so man, I'm the guy you're replying too and I don't like the rebuilds nearly as much as NGE. I liked 2.0 as a cool action anime movie that had some neat speculation prior to 3.0.

I think 3.0 is shit more for some really dumb ass decisions on Anno's part like the time skip, Evas curse, new characters replacing established old characters, pink eva's etc etc.

If what you say will happen with 4.0 does happen I'll fucking stand and clap in the god damn theater for that brilliant bastard but I have my doubts, I feel like rebuild is a cash cow trying to market Eva even more with new toys and characters but maybe I'm just pissy.

>>156985176
Figures would be fine.

But watching this fucking series and then seeing fucking DRINK ADVERTISEMENTS and fucking commercials with these really flawed characters is like a very visible insult to what these characters are about.

>>156985417
Dunno.
After Shin Goji came out I remember reading a thing that Anno saying that doing it helped him remember why he loves making this stuff and got sinspired during the filming process.

>>156985417
>I feel like rebuild is a cash cow trying to market Eva even more with new toys and characters
You're not particularly wrong, friend, he doesn't mind the cash, but he's been talking about "destroying Eva" for years and stated that one of his main goals in creating the Rebuilds is to awake the anime industry from its long-term stagnation. So I actually believe in him.
>Figures would be fine
I don't think he approves of it, he's okay with money now, what's hypocritical, yes, but he still doesn't.
>But watching this fucking series and then seeing fucking DRINK ADVERTISEMENTS and fucking commercials with these really flawed characters is like a very visible insult to what these characters are about.
He feels the same about every other piece of merchandise, since it fuels hardcore escapists, I guess.

>>156961981
Well now I gotta watch The Thing again. Thanks.

>>156985428
>>156985579
Forgot to reference you

>>156961933
Cummies

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>>156985428
I think that is the joke.

3.0 owns

>>156985428
>Implying that NGE dont desperatly need to have a partnership with tang and make a LCL flavor

>>156985710
I want that art now.

>>156985710
Oh god it's so fucking wrong that it's invoking 3.0 despair

>>156984841

if it doesn't backfire it's not hubris/"playing god"

>>156985729
Does Tang even exist anymore?
>Try out the primordial ooze- the blood of the second angel- and ingest the DNA of mankind

The fuck does LCL even mean?

>>156985710
The joke is that people recognize a character and buy products that it's printed on.

There's no "commentary" here. That's all it is.

>>156985921
Doesn't mean it still doesn't hurt.
I mean you wouldn't make a kitchen knife set or something and then slap Hannibal on the cover of it.

>>156985918
Link Connected Liquid though I think that was actually deconfirmed

So, is it just me, or are shinji and asuka visibly taller in EoE? It makes sense, as the series take places during several months and they are just about the right age for a growth spurt, but its hard for me to say for sure if its intentional or not.

>>156986150
It's just better animation

>>156985176
This is absolute bullshit, and you're in denial if you think the Rebuild movies being garbage is part of some grand scheme on Anno's part.

If Anno really wanted to stop merchandising and "destroy Eva" all he had to do was stop making more of it. Anyone can see he's given up at this point and is only rubber-stamping the fanfiction crap Khara turns out because it pays the bills.

>>156986196
Keep telling yourself that, faggot. We'll know for sure when 3.0+1.0 comes out. Until that I'm free to decide for myself what's bullshit and what's not.

Is there any chance of evangelion 3.0+1.0 coming out this year

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Evangelion black and white and blue and white and the other hand I am not sure if you can see the light of the most part of my favorite things.

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>>156985972
Funny, on theme, they already go to a lot of effort making the food look attractive for horror value, of course you would. At least a limited edition.

>>156986292
It's going to be awful and you're going to think you're clever for liking something that everyone else hates.
Just like with 3.0.

>>156973379
>>156973322
You're both dumb waifufags. Asuka isn't supposed to have a resolution, it goes against the entire message and buildup of the series. Asuka represents escapism and failure to confront reality, and as such she'll never get anything but a spiral into death.

Rei is on the opposite end, where she owns up to her problems and retakes what was taken from her.

Shinji and Misato, the two protagonists of the story, are therefore left up to their own devices and interactions in order to move forward.

>>156986597
It's going to be great and you're going to choke on my dick once it comes out and everyone understands that. Get the fuck out of MY thread, bitch.

>>156983159
They fugged?
I don't remember that. Post images.

>>156982349
I want to make Asuka VERY mad at me.

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>>156986693
>It's going to be great

Now where have I head that line before?

>>156986196
>>156985176
Uh, guys, if you don't get 3.0 you're practically retarded and should fuck off back to /a/. It's literally "babby's first power fantasy" coming from Hideaki Anno and bases itself around parading Asuka and Kaworu (conveniently the director's favorites) around as the best, whilst giving more popular and developed characters like Shinji and Rei the boot. Repeatedly.

I like 3.0 more than 2.0
At least it's completely original and not "We're just like NGE but we're actually not"
like 2.0

>>156961981
Kurt Russell i love u

>>156986709
They didn't, but insane Asuka fans pretend that they did to put a band-aid on the gaping wound that is their petty fandom. Asuka never amounted to anything in the original, so their only recourse is to live vicariously through a fantasy relationship between her and Shinji.

Evangelion warned about this in EoE, but they didn't get the message.

>>156986805
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>>156986805
You only say that because you didn't actually watch NGE/EoE or the Rebuilds though, or at least watched it half-asleep. 3.33 is a poor movie in virtually every way a movie can be poor that isn't fixed by a huge budget. It's got the artists, the composers, the time, the money, but it doesn't have a story, plot or set of characters that work. At most it's an intentional perversion of the original television series to cater to the seedy parts of the audience who want nothing more than escapism out of Evangelion. The first two were far better films, the third one hardly qualifies as a flick.

We were having good and civil conversation about the differences between versions and character stuff and why we like it.
Why it gotta be like it is now?

>>156986196
What if I think you're both wrong? There is a grand scheme, but Anno didn't intend for it to be garbage?

>>156986968
Because the insane reifag or his impersonator arrived. Just ignore him though.

>>156987016
why even mention boogymen then?


Tell me NERV. What was their end game? Did Gendo really care about himanity or did he just want his waifu back?

Tell me about the angels
Why do they wear the AT fields?

>>156986597
>It's going to be awful and you're going to think you're clever for liking something that everyone else hates.
>Just like with 3.0.

This. I have some hope left in my heart though. I think our only hope is that Anno sees the error of his ways and actually tries to do the Rebuilds seriously. Slim chance, but have hope.

>>156987069
>Tell me NERV. What was their end game?
Officially to destroy the angels. Unofficially to commence the Human Instumentality Project.
>Did Gendo really care about himanity or did he just want his waifu back?
His only goal was to see Yui again. But yes, at the beginning they were working for the humanity.

>>156987069
He was part in sacrificing half of humanity in order to further his own ploy to get his waifu back, which he would do by sacrificing the other half. It's more than fair to safe that he just wanted his waifu back, no matter the cost. Although if you listen to what he says in EoE, he's actually against mankind losing their human forms - this is also true for Fuyutsuki. They have a failed negotiation with SEELE somewhere in the movie. It makes sense because if they just join together, he wouldn't really get "his" waifu back, he'd be in limbo along with her at best.

>>156986295
>already may

Not a chance on hell senpai. It took them 5 years just to dub 3.0 for fucks sakes.

>>156961933
If you actually watched it in the true patrician order(which is episodes 1-24,EoE and then episodes 25-26)you would know that it is all in his head.

>>156987326
That's retarded, and I'm genuinely sorry for you since you watched it in the wrong order.

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>>156987014
I don't think they're trying to make the movies bad on purpose, I think Anno just doesn't care enough to assert any influence over the production team.
Whatever half-assed plan Khara has for Rebuild isn't going to reflect his style like the TV series did.

>>156985176
>>156985579
How does it feel to be retarded and/or mentally insane?

>>156987488
>IP counter doesn't go up
How does it feel to be desperate for (You)s?

>>156987487
I don't think there's anything that backs you up on that. What we have for facts definitely prove that Anno is at the core of absolutely everything Evangelion these days. He's got full control and from interviews in say, 1.0 or 2.0 we can see that he has complete control over story, plot and presentation, and exercises that power even when people disagrees.

Now I don't think Anno tried to make them shitty on purpose, it's just that his vision is inherently shitty - if that makes sense.

>>156987540
>I can't reply to a post I'm just reading now
How does it feel to be retarded and/or mentally insane?

Because either you are Anno or know him personally, because otherwise there's no way you'd be able to say any of that which contradicts everything the man actually does. Are you proposing that he has some secret agenda here or something? Because to everyone else, it just seems like you're insane. You're pushing the "he doesn't care about eva" angle which makes little sense when it's pretty much all he's been doing with his studio, and says himself it's what it'll be known for in the future as well. If Anno didn't care about Evangelion, he'd move on already and stop meddling so much with it.

>>156987738
>You're pushing the "he doesn't care about eva"
Where did I push that "agenda"? Quote me, retard

>>156986709
3 second scene between the playground scene and the chocking scene.
https://imgur.com/a/KWhFd

It was PROBABLY just instrumentality dream, mostly because if it wasnt anno would probably expand on the subject later, which he didnt. But who knows, i think that story wise its at least a possibility, as one of the many factors that made asuka breakdown that hard

>>156987794
That's the vibe I get, hence why I put it in quotes. I mean, "wanting to destroy eva" ? By making it shit or something? Explain yourself first.

>>156987841
Leave the fanwank to fanfic sites please.

>>156987989
>Explain yourself first
Did you even read my post, faggot?
>>156985176
>So, Evangelion version 3.0. What Anno wants it to be, what it essentially is, a character drama where people don't understand each other and fail to communicate more than once. That's what Anno wanted fans to see in the original, but these waifufags and fujoshi disappointed him, eventually turning Eva into a shitty franchise with games and figurines.
At least read before responding and making me waste my time on you. Anno was disappointed with people missing out Eva's meaning and turning it into a franchise. So the Rebuild is possibly his new way of telling the message of Eva once again or simply "destroying" the image of Eva that fans have in their minds, i.e. Evangelion 2.0.

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>>156986783
>more popular and developed characters like Shinji
Huh?

>>156988153
Don's respond to him, he's insane.

>>156988024
>Show an image of the fucking movie
>Dont even take a hard opnion on the subject, just talk about the possibilities
>Fanwank

>>156988138
Wow you sure are fucking angry. But I can see why, you're actually mentally insane. You're actually trying sell the idea that Anno is upset that "they" made Evangelion a franchise (who are they if not Anno himself?), and then he retaliates by.... making Evangelion into a bigger franchise?

Have you thought this trough at all?

>>156988153
Shinji is the most developed character in Evangelion bar none, and used to be the most popular male character. Look it up, and you know it's the case because it upsets autists like >>156988187
who live inside their own fantasies too much.

>>156988362
Asuka is pretty well developed too

>>156988392
Don't see what that has to do with anything.

>>156988325
First, do you know how licensing and financing works in anime?
Second, do you think Anno shits money out to make new anime?
Third, do you think art can't get commercialized?
Fourth, did you read my post? Do you understand what he wanted Eva to be and who was its main audience?

As far as I understand, the rebuilds happen due to the power that Shinji gets in EoE: to reset the world up to the moment the Angels started their attack.
However, this power is mostly limited to resetting the "human" part of the world, which is why everyone forgets about third impact, even though the remains of it are still visible.
As for why Shinji resets it, I think it is because of Misato's death. He decides to try to save her by resetting the world, time after time. And given the title of the next movie, he obviously never succeeds.

>>156988362
Sadly, shinji isnt very popular, probably because he isnt muh shounen super hero. Blame the fanbase. I dont think he ever been the most popular.
I do think he is the most developed character with asuka a close second.

>>156988423
He said Asuka and Kaworu are less developed than Shinji and Rei

>>156988436
>with asuka a close second
Prepare for insane shitstorm

>>156988457
Well, they are.

yea

>>156988507
Kaworu? Yeah. But Asuka gets a ton of development and to me is the most interesting character in the series.

>>156988436
Shinji isn't popular now, you mean. When Evangelion came out, he was the most popular male character, and held that position for a good decade or so if not even longer. I don't think fans are to blame for this one really, but the focus of Evangelion as a franchise has gone to pander aggressively to fujoshi and kaworu fans in general, supplanting Shinji's position. Movies like 3.33 certainly don't help his image.

>>156988457
They are a lot less developed, particularly Kaworu who can't really compared since he's more of a monster-of-the-week character.

>>156988581
Maybe you just have poor taste? Taste aside, she's less developed than both Shinji and Rei in this case. That's even true in the spinoffs, Asuka's big draw was never being well developed. It was being fanservicey.

>>156988433
>As for why Shinji resets it, I think it is because of Misato's death

His reasonings are very clear during EoE. Check the script:
http://eva-armageddon.com/Scripts/EOE2.html
>Rei: If you hope that other people exist again, your heart will separate everyone once more. But you will be frightened of other people again.
>Shinji: It doesn't matter. Thank you. I feel that there are only hateful things there. So running away isn't bad either. But even if I run away I can't find a better place. Isn't it? Because the world is without me, now. Just like without anyone else.
>Kaworu: Produce the AT Field once more... Hurting other people again, that's okay?
>Shinji: That's okay. But, what do you people mean to me?
>Rei: It's hope. Humans may be able to understand each other. That means...
>Kaworu: The word called 'like'.
>>>>Shinji: But that's just appearance, a self-intoxicating thought. Just like praying. I can't continue like that forever. Finally, one day, I will be betrayed. Will leave me... But... I want to start from the beginning, one more time. Because I think that the feeling at the time will be very real.

He want to live again with all his friends. Why shit keeps happening with him is a arguable point. I think that whatever was left from his self hate influenced his new world, and stuff keeps failing. Hell, from what we saw in 2.0, he might still have his god powers from EoE and not know that. As his mood changes, the world change for the worse.

>>156988630
Rei is less developed than any other character
Anno didn't even know what to do with her

>>156988429
Don't answer question with questions. You're supposed to explain how you actually think Anno can be mad about Evangelion being a franchise when he's the one who's made it into a franchise, and keeps pushing into a more shallow generic anime himself all the time.

>>156988486
Not hating on rei or other characters, they are amazing, she just dont have nearly as much screen time as shinji and asuka

>>156988677
Didn't you just say Kawory was the least developed? Make up your mind. Rei's development is integral to the series and the series doesn't exist without it, so I don't get your point.

>>156988718
Screen time isn't what makes development work though. You need screentime to develop a character, but screentime in itself doesn't imply development.

By the end of the story Rei, Shinji and Misato are by far the most developed character with Asuka as a fourth. Asuka may have more lines and scenes, but not all of them develop the character. With Shinji and Rei, you get more quality over quantity, so to speak.

It's important to understand their characters to fully get i.e EoE or the series ending.

>>156988690
>You're supposed to explain how you actually think Anno can be mad about Evangelion being a franchise
By seeing how people perceive it as another shonen anime while its original intention was to speak to a viewer and make him understand what the author feels and influence them to live a better life. All waifufags are cancer.
>when he's the one who's made it into a franchise
He didn't own Gainax single-handedly and they still needed money and I explained what type of "franchising" he disliked.
>and keeps pushing into a more shallow generic anime himself all the time.
The point of my post is that the Rebuild isn't as shallow as it seems to you and it actually has a deeper intention to it.
>>156988731
>Rei's development is integral to the series
As much as the development of every other character, except for Shinji, who's the MC.
>the series doesn't exist without it
Yes, Rei has her "task" in Eva which sets in influencing the caring side of Shinji at the beginning. Other times she's just a plot tool with the same problems as Shinji slapped onto her. She's not the main character and the series isn't about her.
>Didn't you just say Kawory was the least developed?
I don't know what you're talking about, that was the other guy I guess.

>>156985176
(You)

>>156988433
The original doesn't deal with "resets". That's the Khara version, the original Gainax version didn't do "resets", only technological rapture of the soul and body. Shinji in the original doesn't have any such power by the end of EoE, he gives it up. The reason he wanted to go through with instrumentality was because he was extremely depressed and suicidal. He had at that point, in addition to all of his other insecurities, lost all of his friends in disturbing and brutal ways. Come EoE, Shinji is ready to die.

Misato's death plays a huge part of it. When Rei makes contact with Shinji inside instrumentality, she is able to make him "snap out of it" and return to the real world.

>>156989009
>IP counter still doesn't go up
Nice

>>156988805
I honestly disagree, we see asuka change a lot over the story, although not towards a happy direction. By the end of the series her quirky tsundere dont even exist. Her character arc is straight towards depression from the moment she is introduced to the moment she and 02 awaken.
We get to know all her origin, her problems, how she is very similar to shinji and copes with her problems in a different way, why she acts the way she does, and how she is a mess of a human being behind all the masks. If anything, my criticism is that both her (and rei for that matter) "achieve resolve" rather quickly in EoE, both of them deserved a small inner monologue of finding peace before their actions in the movie
I think its hard to say "who got more development", its a rather subjective measure, but i think she is well more developed than misato, and inching a bit above rei.

>>156988979
>As much as the development of every other character, except for Shinji, who's the MC.
I'd say a lot more. She's one of the characters that's there from the start and has a very big impact on not just Shinji and other characters, but also the plot. Compared with Asuka or Toji who are more like simple "foils" with little impact on the plot or story by the end, it's clear that Rei is more integral.

>Yes, Rei has her "task" in Eva which sets in influencing the caring side of Shinji at the beginning. Other times she's just a plot tool with the same problems as Shinji slapped onto her. She's not the main character and the series isn't about her.
Well, no, but like mentioned above she is integral to the point where there'd be no series at all without her, something that can't be said for all the characters. I disagree that she's just a plot tool, as everything Rei does relates to her own character even when it comes to plot.

>I don't know what you're talking about, that was the other guy I guess.
Probably.

>>156989097
We don't really see Asuka change, as change here means her character changes. Her fundamental conceptions of herself or others do not change at all, so she's more like a static foil. I think you're confusing screentime and lots of lines for "development". Truth is, Asuka isn't supposed to develop and hardly does at all in the story. She's supposed to represent stagnation through refusing to cope with the harsh reality others show her, and she's a symbol of escapism. That's why nothing changes for Asuka, but many things change for Shinji, Misato or Rei.

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>>156989024
When instrumentality is rejected in EoE, there's some talk about changing the flow of time. It might be this idea what Khara took and modified into the resets of the rebuilds.

>>156989127
>Compared with Asuka or Toji who are more like simple "foils" with little impact on the plot or story by the end, it's clear that Rei is more integral.
Yes, a plot tool. The plot is an actual "foil" if you didn't get it. Shinji's development is the actual "plot" and it's influenced nearly equally by Toji, Asuka and Rei who uncover different sides of his personality. You don't get Eva.
>>>/out/

>>156989127
>Compared with Asuka or Toji who are more like simple "foils" with little impact on the plot or story by the end
There is a reason why shinji sees the flashback of him choking asuka before he triggers the third impact. Either he liked it or not, he lived with her for months and she left a larger "mark" on him than Rei did, and it is reflected when the third impact begins.

>>156988979
>By seeing how people perceive it as another shonen anime while its original intention was to speak to a viewer and make him understand what the author feels and influence them to live a better life. All waifufags are cancer.
>He didn't own Gainax single-handedly and they still needed money and I explained what type of "franchising" he disliked.

Well I've never seen Anno object to this type of commercialism of Evangelion. I've heard fans say it, but coming from Anno that's rare. But let's assume I've missed something and you're right. You're still unable to explain that when Anno is given his "freedom" so to speak, that you assert that he didn't have during the Gainax days, he's actually commercializing it harder. It's not just about amount of merchandise, but it's also the content matter of the new Evangelion, with drastically dumbed down and changed characters with more fanservice per minute than the original.

While Rebuild might have a "hidden" meaning behind it, it's definitely shallow.

>>156989042
>you can't leave for a couple of hours and then come back to keep reading the thread
'K.

>>156989228
>We dont see she change
>From an energetic tsundere to a suicidal apathetic broken girl with massive self hate is not a change.

Her "tsundere" characteristic that she is so known about isnt even brougth back again past the mind rape, all the masks are gone. You keep ignoring obvious character changes. I am starting to think you just hating on the character for personal reasons.

>>156989302
They do uncover different sides about his personality, but they also happen to do more than that in Evangelion, including being more complete and featured characters who also, affects the story and plot besides acting through or with Shinji.
>>>/out/

>>156989307
Hm, I think you simply got it all wrong. The impact is already "triggered" before that scene. No doubt Asuka left a negative impact on Shinji, where Misato or Rei may have left a positive impact on him, but that is not how we measure character development or impact on plot. Consider Misato and Rei, along with e.g Gendo as more active characters in the story who have agency and scenes that show it.

You should be asking yourself why Asuka doesn't take a single step in all of EoE, while Misato, Gendo and Rei are actively engaging their own plots.

>>156989462
These aren't character changes. Asuka was always a broken little girl. She put up a facade to hide that. The whole point NGE and EoE makes is just that. Her failure to do anything about it is supposed to paint Asuka as a regressive and negative symbol of otakuism. She lives vicariously though the EVA and fails to do anything about her own life. This never changes about her, and in the end with the instrumentality, Asuka is forced to confront that fact.

>>156989607
At this logic shinji dont change till the very end either, he has always afraid to create bonds because he fears he will end up hurt, to the point of being even a little manipulative about who he wants to have contact with.
Misato was always a depressed vengeful sex addict with "cold" behavior because she is from the military.
At this logic, the only character to actually have a change is rei. Are you satisfied now?

>>156989759
Not him, but this makes me come to a realization
The characters aren't interesting because of their development, but because of how their true selves are revealed to us.

>>156989759
He's an insane waifufag who hates on Asuka and Kaworu, don't reply to him

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>>156989307
All of the characters left a big mark on Shinji. Misato, Gendo, Rei, Toji, and not to mention Kaworu. They all make their appearances during the final moments. The difference is that characters like Rei here end up having their own full arc during the End of the Evangelion movie that works parallel with Shinji's, and together makes up the big confrontation Shinji has to make. Notice how it's always Rei telling Shinji that this world he's created is a fabrication he made to avoid reality, and so on? The whole movie shows the two converging on each other based on the development they had in the series prior. Shinji's encounters with Asuka are largely coincidences or in-instrumentality, where all Shinji remembers of her are negative things. In the end, Shinji chokes Asuka. This is what places some character in the "foil" section, and others in the "active, developing character" section.

>>156989887
And that's why Rei is a plot tool used for cool GNR shots. In the original the bitch doesn't get any "resolution" and starts Instrumentality as she's told to.

>>156989759
>At this logic shinji dont change till the very end either
That's not true. Shinji changes a lot during the series, learns to trust others more, fluctuates around the issue of piloting the Evangelion for praise, at one point giving it up even. There's a lot of changes in Shinji and what he thinks, change you won't find in Asuka.

>Misato was always a depressed vengeful sex addict with "cold" behavior because she is from the military.
This isn't true either, and you know Misato isn't vengeful or cold because she's military, it's because the Angels killed her father and traumatized her for a good two years. She has her own arc where she learns to accept that NERV isn't the goody-goody guys she thought at first, and that her vengeance against the Angels weren't as righteous as she thought.

Also take my advice, ignore posters like >>156989865
who only want to stifle discussion. It's probably just that one paranoid anon I saw earlier in this thread, he accuses others of being an insane waifufag, but it's clear he should be speaking about himself here.

>>156989844
They're interesting because of their quality as characters.They're simply well executed.

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>>156990015
The GNR shots are cool, but if you don't see the symbolic value of a repressed, oppressed and abused girl sprouting wings and towering over the world, then I guess you're just an autistic Rei-hater.

>>156990015
Yeah but then she gives Shinji control over it

>come back after being absent
>the retarded reifaggot shows up again after being absent for a few weeks
Oh boy, where are kaworufags when you need them. I like how they troll him with gayness.

>>156990131
>>156990133
A good rule for quality Eva discussion is not to respond to people who call any of the main girls a bitch.

>>156990131
That particular photo of Misato gives me strong memories of this one hentai game on Newgrounds, where she was drawn like that in MS paint and gave you a blowjob if you answered the question right.

>>156990131
>the symbolic value of a repressed, oppressed and abused girl sprouting wings and towering over the world
Jesus Christ, why are you so retarded?

>>156990015
Rei is technically the only character that gets a resolution outside instrumentality in NGE, and your memory is poor because the specifics about how/when the instrumentality project is activated was never revealed in the original.

That said I can see straight through your rhetoric anyway, you're obviously a dumb eva-hating idiot who also hates on Rei. Lemme guess, you're probably an obsessive who likes Asuka and Kaworu, right? Which explains your earlier protectionism and paranoia earlier ITT.

In any case, truth bomb:

Asuka stops being a character after episode 22, she goes into a coma. Shinji, Misato and Rei are still there.
Kaworu dies after episode 25 and doesn't have a role in the final two episodes.

As far as resolution goes, you are ragging on the wrong character for lacking it.

>>156990196
Well what can you expect from Asuka or Kaworu fans these days. Just look at this: >>156990185
pathetic theatre performance when he gets outed.

Why do you argue which characters are better than others
They're all good characters equally important to the plot

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they found out how hard real life is and became tang again

>>156990228
Admit it. It's OK anon. You're jealous that Rei has these "cool GNR" shots while Kaworu is dead and Asuka is ripped to shreds. You're mad that Rei gets this massive redemption that's actually in-character while Asuka is relegated to being a plot device and symbol of escapism. You're mad that Kaworu only gets cameos in EoE and was ignored in episode 25 and 26.

It's OK anon, you're safe with us. No one will judge you any differently than they already do.

>>156990307
We're arguing what the characters are to understand them, not that they're better. Preference and all is subjective. Certain people don't like that very much.

>>156990196
Yeah, and Rei of all the characters too, one of the absolutely least bitches of them all. Smells mad Asukafag a long way if you ask me.

>>156990402
Death doesn't make a bad character. Asuka's death scene was pretty rad too by the way. And she lives anyway so who cares

>>156990196
Not that anon but I call Asuka a bitch because desu she kinda was. But that's part of her character that is just easy to label her with.

>>156990573
The anon I replied to seems pretty sore about it. He doesn't even care about Asuka being a bad character or not, he's just buttmad she sucks compared to Rei and doesn't have any real redemption after her failure in NGE. That's why he's butthurt about Rei getting "cool scenes" in the original.

>>156990661
>he's just buttmad she sucks compared to Rei
But Asuka is objectively a better character. That's why she's also the director's favorite. And her resolution is pretty obvious, she doesn't surrender to her enemy even on the brink of death, she chooses the hardships of human life on a desolate planet and even shows love to a person who hurt her numerous times.

>>156990841
>he actually belives this
sad.

>>156990661
>she sucks compared to Rei and doesn't have any real redemption after her failure in NGE
You arent helping your own case. refer to >>156990196

>>156991062
It's the tragedy of the people whose lives are possessed by EVA. Asukafans are crazy.

>>156991147
What if I like both Asuka and Rei because I'm not a retarded waifufag biased torwards a fucking anime character in a good show that should be respected because of attraction

>>156991062
>>156991147
Samefag

>>156991118
refer to >>156991062
sad.

The picture here is clear, the anon who earlier shouts about Rei being a "bitch" and whatnot is clearly a disgruntled Eva-fan that's jealous of Rei. He's insecure about Asuka sucking compared to Rei insofar that Asuka lacks as strong a resolution as Rei, where she gets killed by the EVA's and is used as a symbol of otaku escapism (the masturbation scene, her inability to function without the EVA etc...)

>>156991242
>the symbol of otaku escapism
All the cast are symbols of otaku escapism, you retard.
Jesus Christ, someone translate and send his posts to Anno.

>>156991225
Then you're all right. Don't be like this guy:

>>156991239
Go take your medication, butthurt waifufag.

>>156991303
>m-muh asuka isn't the only one to be a symbol of otaku escpaism!
>s-so is everyone else!

Not buying it. Grow up.

>>156991346
>grow up
I just don't know anymore, I'm just laughing at this irony

>>156991303
That's not really the case though. Asuka is exceptional in this case because it's her entire character almost. Her entire person cannot exist without relying on the EVA, a perfect metaphor for an otaku who can only get on with life by living through his or her fantasies.

While the other characters some times have problems in their lives, dilemmas or otherwise unresolved issues with other people, they are able to reflect on it and in some cases, get over it. That was never the case with Asuka. So while Shinji and Rei can look at the EVA and think "I don't need this to be me", Asuka can't. The same goes for Misato, who can abandon NERV's brainwashing and continue Kaji's work in undermining them and learning the truth for herself.

If you don't ge tthis basic fact about Asuka, then you're not an Asuka fan, you're a waifu fan.

The LCL ocean is probably very nutritious seeing as it is the chemical basis from which new life-forms can emerge.

>>156984511
I'm just now noticing you can't spell FLCL without LCL.

I wonder if there is some kind of connection.

>>156991526
>thinking Asukafags can be reasoned with

I mean, despite the fact that Asuka is literallly based on otaku doujins, is partly copied from Anno's favorite characters, and is the favorite character of a HUGE otaku with suicidal thoughts, they still deny Asuka being a symbol for escapism.

>>156961981
Yeah, FUCK YOU TOO!

>>156991526
>So while Shinji and Rei can look at the EVA and think "I don't need this to be me".
Except it's pretty much wrong. With Eva symbolizing the return to the womb, all the children rely on it completely with their own self-worth being absent and found only in the End of Evangelion (in the original only Shinji gets proper character resolution). Rei openly says Eva is all she has, Shinji does what he's told to and wants to be needed by piloting it, but at the same time he doesn't want to, because he hurts others. Asuka' case differs from Rei and Shinji because she's also presented as a woman who wants only certain people to need her. While Rei is reassured she's needed by Shinji and Gendo and Shinji is reassured he's loved by Kaworu, Asuka gets absolutely nothing and looses both Eva and people that surround her, because she actually understands that nobody truly needs anyone in this series. Don't forget that Shinji also tries to kill himself once he looses Kaworu. Misato only wants them to pilot, Shinji just wants people to care about him, she has complicated relationship with Rei because of her psychological issues etc. So no, Asuka was using the Eva as a mean to be needed by others, just as Shinji and Rei did. This is actually explained in EoTV, but you didn't get Eva.

>>156979022
>>156979700
Shinji was quite depressed in EoE. He nearly let Asuka die.

If you're wondering how he eats and breaths, and other science facts, repeat to yourself "It's just a show, I should really just relax!"

>>156991526
>Shinji and Rei can look at the EVA and think "I don't need this to be me"
Both shinji and Rei are "no ones", personality wise, without the eva too.
Or do you think shinji was a fulfilled person while living with his tutor he never even talks about, ever?

>>156991968
This
The aspect that represents otaku is the fact that the characters can't let people into their hearts. And that's the same with Misato, Asuka and Shinji, Rei is her own autistic case.

>>156991968
>>156992251
>all the children rely on it completely with their own self-worth being absent
Stop lying to yourself. You're projecting Asuka's failures onto the others because you don't want your waifu to be alone in her suckage.

Shinji has initially no relation with the EVA, and does not want to pilot it. He likes getting praise for it, but he'd just as easily abandon it like he does in episode 19. If Shinji doesn't pilot the EVA, he's still Shinji.

Rei is devoted to piloting the EVA, but she does not rely on it. She's eager to volunteer for dangerous operations, but she's willing to sacrifice her EVA and position as a pilot, and when that happens Rei isn't sad or broken up about it. If Rei doesn't pilot, she's still herself.

But Asuka literally stops functioning when she learns she won't be able to pilot any more. This is why Asuka is a symbol of otaku escapism, outside her mothers wombs she is a stillborn.

The examples and dialogue in the series here trumps your interpretation. It's proven that Shinji and Rei will function without the EVA, and it is proven that Asuka breaks down.

I'm pretty sure Asuka changed for the better after coming out of the LCL.

>>156992237
>>156992281
That's a lie without basis in the series though. Stop making up stuff.

Shinji or Rei may not be fulfilled persons, but none of them would actually stop functioning if they were unable to pilot their EVA. Rei and Shinji, as shown in earlier episodes are able to define themselves by their own terms, rather than external terms which Asuka relies on. The point of EVA, which is said directly, is that none of the people are fulfilled, there's a void in their hearts. Misato explains this.

I mean, there's a reason Shinji, Rei and the others are able to get on fine even when they aren't EVA pilots any more. Asuka literally slips into a catatonic state unless she's able to pilot the EVA.

>>156992281
No matter how much you keep using long words and slippery arguments, you are the only one actively hating on a specific character here, and then calling others names because people dont agree with you.

Literally all arguments you used against asuka are applicable to either shinji, rei or misato.

>>156992281
>It's proven that Shinji and Rei will function without the EVA
Again, wrong, it's funny how butthurt you are. Shinji is a passive nobody without the Eva, Rei pilots because she's therefore needed by Gendo and that fulfills her wishes. It's reassured by episode 5, where Ritsuko openly tells that the result of Eva going berserk was due to pilot's (Rei's) mental instability. When Gendo saves Rei, burning his hands, he reassures Rei that she's indeed needed by him and that gives her a purpose to pilot. To reassure us of this even more, Anno shows us her in cockpit during the next activation test looking at his precious glasses, to reassure her mental stability by convincing herself that she's needed. That is also later added on by Shinji, who saves her the same way. As for Shinji, he said he was "existing" like a vegetable all these years with his teacher. No, he can't have a self-worth without Eva. Kaworu shows him some love, but once he's gone, Shinji even tries to kill himself. So, the last angel is gone, Eva's aren't needed and here we see Shinji trying to kill himself. Definitely a normal "functioning". Afterwards he even goes to Asuka to make her need him again. Funny. Moreover he doesn't even try to run from soldiers. Even funnier. It's hilarious how much bullshit you're posting here and how strongly you believe in it.

>>156992526
asuka a shit

>>156992251
No, the idea of "trust" and "letting people into one's hearts" are not otaku-specific problems. Evangelion makes zero discrimination here, as canonically all humans are said to be fundamentally unfulfilled. Which is a perfect parallel to the real world as this is a normal problem for everyone. Basic needs, advanced needs are all fundamentally unfulfilled in human existence.

The problem with otaku comes from denying reality. Shinji in End of Evangelion seeks to create his own ideal reality when he gets the chance, to get away from reality. Asuka in the TV-series and EoE is fatally dependent on her status as an EVA-pilot in order to just get by every day. Just like an otaku is dependent on anime for instance to have meaning in her life. Gendo also seeks his dead wife in order to have meaning and drive in his.

These are people who cannot live by or with themselves at the above stages. They refuse reality and choose fantasies. Rei here becomes an exception because she never denied reality once it presented herself, rather she absorbed it and grew stronger from it. In her scene with Armisael she considers the Angels words, she considers Toji's words and takes them to heart, and she reflects on her relationship with others (like Shinji, Gendo etc) and figures out that they aren't like she thought. By herself, learning through example.

It's this "anti-escapism" attitude that leads to the finale, where Rei is the "guide" for the others who have yet to understand or practice this. In both NGE and EoE, she lectures the other characters on the dangers of escapism. In EoE, she ultimately convinces Shinji that he was wrong in his choice.

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>>156961981
so who was thing there?

>>156992589
None of those examples argue against the facts I've pointed out though. Gendo or Shinji saving Rei is irrelevant as is Shinji being passive. He's passive in general.

Both of them can actually function as people without the EVA, something the series proves by either demonstrating that they can leave the "womb" at will, or give it up and continue developing when needed. What you're doing isn't healthy, you're reaching very hard to avoid the truth you hate: only Asuka was physically and psychologically incapable of functioning without the EVA.

This is why Asuka goes catatonic, while Shinji and Rei still develops after not being an EVA pilot. They can choose to NOT pilot the EVA, Asuka can't. She goes catatonic and therefore does not function as a person anymore, she requires the assistance of medical personnel and probably can't even wipe herself or go to the bathroom unassisted.

>>156992526
>>156992589
these
reifaggot gets blow the fuck out every thread but just keeps posting his retarded fanwank anyway. I think we better ignore him

>>156992789
Samefagging or "upvoting" doesn't work here, butthurt Asukafag. You're only doing yourself a disservice by lying to yourself. Accept the truth, or be mentally ill for the rest of your life. It's your choice.

Don't be an Asuka, be a Rei.

>>156992844
>Don't be an Asuka, be a Rei.
>Don't be a strong person who accepts reality despite all the shit it gives you, be a plot tool ayy lmao
Hmm

>>156992789
>I think we better ignore him

gee, ya think?

>>156992526
That's not what happening here. What's happening here is that I'm pulling actual scenes from the story. You don't like it, and get mad. Simple as. You're at best arguing that Evangelion is hating on Asuka - which it is in a way, as it is a criticism of the otaku escapism Asuka symbolizes.

Accepting the original for what it is doesn't mean you hate Evangelion or Asuka. Denying it however, means you do.

>>156992844
holy shit shut up
they're both amazing characters
stop cheapening the show with your nonsense
who cares if asuka can't function without the eva, that doesn't make her a bad character, IT'S PART OF HER CHARACTER

I KNOW

>>156992889
>Be a strong person who accepts reality despite all the shit it gives you, don't be a plot tool ayy lmao
Fixed.

>>156992844
>Dont be this mentally disarranged husk of a person, be THIS mentally disarranged husk of a person instead
You are delusional.

>>156992984
Every character in Eva is an extremely fleshed out plot tool.

>>156992780
Except for the fact that Asuka goes catatonic not after she looses the Eva, but Kaji.
Same as when Shinji tries to kill himself and is reduced to a suicidal vegetable after he looses Kaworu.
Gee, you're still a retard

>>156992969
I KNOW I'VE LET YOU DOWN

>>156992943
That's what I'm saying though. It's you who think it makes Asuka a "bad character". Asuka can't function with EVA because she's a doll who hasn't formed her own personality yet. This is the whole point of the character. She is a child living in a fantasy world. The reason e.g Rei or Misato can function even when their anchors are removed, is because they are strong enough to handle it and adapt to their new realities. They both cry and are sad, but they still stand after taking a punch or two.

Accepting this isn't cheapening the show, it's a great argument for it's depth.

>>156993045
I'VE BEEN A FOOL TO MYSELF

>>156993045
I'VE BEEN A FOOL TO MYSELF

>>156993083
>Asuka can't function with EVA because she's a doll who hasn't formed her own personality yet
You literally just described Rei

Attack on Potato is the AoTS
If you disagree you are a potato

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>>156988288
Its really hilarious how people get asshurt when you mention Asuka and Shinji's relationship. I love it!

>>156993035
>Except for the fact that Asuka goes catatonic not after she looses the Eva, but Kaji.
It's the EVA. When she's lying in the tub, she's muttering about the EVA, not Kaji. It's the direct cause.

>Same as when Shinji tries to kill himself and is reduced to a suicidal vegetable after he looses Kaworu.
Shinji isn't confined to a hospital bed, and he can still pilot if he wants to. Thing is, he doesn't want to. Shinji could always refuse getting in the EVA. He doesn't define himself by the EVA. Neither does Rei, and that's why they are more successful in their lives.

>>156993094
>>156993103
I THOUGHT THAT I COULD LIVE FOR NO ONE ELSE

>>156993083
>The reason e.g Rei or Misato can function even when their anchors are removed, is because they are strong enough to handle it and adapt to their new realities.
But anon, Rei is a vegetable who only adapts after being told she's an ancient ayy lmao. How can a walking empty husk be adapted if she doesn't have her own self?

>>156993125
No, that's Asuka. Rei actually does define her own personality, unlike Asuka.

This is why when they're put to the test, Asuka loses it while Shinji and Rei still remain stable.

>>156993174
What are you even talking about? It's definitely not Evangelion. Sure you got the right thread?

>>156992939
Assuming its still the same person im having this argument for 1+ hour now
Everytime presented arguments refuting your retared idea that "asuka has no character development", i got ignored or received slippery non-answers, just because it wasnt the development YOU wanted.

>>156993171
BUT NOW THROUGH ALL THE HURT AND PAIN

>>156993045
YOU KNOW THE RULES, AND SO DO I..

>>156993167
>gets directly told that both Shinji and Asuka are defined by Eva
>says Shinji doesn't need it to "function"
Yes, "function", like a walking empty husk who doesn't care if he dies
>Rei isn't defined by Eva
She stops being defined by Eva when she's told she's different by Kaworu. She doesn't care is she dies either because she believes she's replaceable.
>and that's why they are more successful in their lives
What?

>>156993035
Asuka goes catatonic because she lost her eva, kaji, the school friends, arguably misato and finally shinji tried to murder her.

>>156993260
You're not even aware of what you're talking about now. What you wrote makes no sense and can't be contextualized with this thread.

What's happening here is what usually happens. Evangelion FACTS get brought up, and eva-haters and waifufags get upset. Don't you realize that you're ruining threads or disussion with your attitude? Why can't you let people discuss EVA alone?

>>156993199
>Rei actually does define her own personality
Yep, through Gendo and Shinji, whom she believes care about her, while Asuka is abandoned by everyone.

>>156993369
>Evangelion FACTS get brought up
Yes, by us, good viewers, while you're writing waifufag bullshit
Get out.

>>156993287
A FULL COMMITMENT'S WHAT I'M THINKING OOOF

>>156993318
I hope you realize your reply is just nonsense. Shinji being destroyed after killing Kaworu doesn't have anything to do with his dependence on the EVA. That's strike one. The blurb about Rei and Kaworu doesn't even make sense, as Rei doesn't have a dependency on the EVA since long before Kaworu comes along. Kaworu doesn't even mention the EVA to Rei. That's strike two. As for the success bit, it's obvious that rei and shinji avoid completely being hospitalized for being catatonic. They're better off and deal with their problems better.

>>156993284
IT'S TIME FOR ME TO RESPECT

>>156993451
Stop projecting dumbass. I see straight through you. There's a reason why you resort to ad-hominem instead of arguing with the series.

>>156993369
>Cant be contextualized with this thread
Here is where all this talk started
>>156988362
>>156988436
>>156988630
>>156988805
>>156989228
>>156989127

I wonder how many of those are (you)s

>>156993507
YOU WOULDN'T GET THIS FROM ANY OTHER GUY

>>156993538
THE ONES WHO LOVE ME MORE THAN ANYTHING

>>156993399
>Yep, through Gendo and Shinji,
No, anon. Rei even has monologues where she reflects on who she is, and does not include them in her episode 25 sequence. Shinji, Rei, Asuka and the others are people in Rei's life. She doesn't define herself by them. Hence Rei's words, "I am me". Words later repeated by Shinji in his revelation.

It's Rei's constant pondering and near-complete detachment from material life that keeps her from falling in the same trap as Asuka, who is obsessed by defining herself through the EVA. Rei can see her EVA00 be blown to smithereens and not give a fuck. She could stop piloting the EVA and not give a fuck. Rei or Shinji aren't defined by "being an EVA-pilot" like Asuka is.

Be reasonable. There is a reason why we see Asuka obsess about her EVA, and never see Rei doing the same thing. It's because Rei doesn't need the EVA to function, but Asuka does. That Asuka collapses when she loses her eva-pilot status, but Rei keeps on going after she loses her ENTIRE Eva, is all the proof we need. We can say the same for Shinji, as we see him choose to NOT pilot or even quit the job completely.

>>156993639
I don't see the context here. The posts you've pointed out don't do anything wrong. They are EVA discussion. Your posts however, are just butthurt because you hate Evangelion and want it to be your waifu paradise. Well too bad, it's not. In Evangelion, particularly Asuka, is not made to be "perfect prim little girls" for you to idolize. Asuka, Rei and Misato are all messed up characters in their own way. So when an Anon points out that "yeah, Asuka is pretty much a doll since she's completely dependent on NERV to call her an EVA pilot", they are only pointing out the facts. There's a reason why Asuka has dolls in her background story and as an inner fear.

Do you hate EVA or something?

What the fuck does LCL stand for?

>>156994382
licuated carbounated licour

>>156989355
>>156988979
Anno-fanboy BTFO. Even Carl Horn called these idiots out. I mean, how do you explain Anno being anti-fanservice when all he does is make MORE fanservice?

>>156994224
My point was never asuka was perfect but rather the fact she isnt a "character with no development", which you have been pushing non-stop and still hasnt acknowledged my arguments that defend her growth during the series.
When i bring back my arguments, you just keep sidetracking and reapting the "do you hate eva?" question you already made FOUR TIMES instead of responding properly.

>>156994382
Lilith's Cunt Liquid

>>156994487
It's a question that needs to be asked. You think you've provided arguments, but your arguments are literally just "you're ignoring the development!". You have to understand that "character development" means something more than just changing the character's mood. It's the character that needs to develop. The whole point of Asuka's character is that she DOESN'T develop. In episode 1, she's still the same messed up girl she is in the end. She didn't change. She lived vicariously through piloting the EVA, and died living vicariously through the EVA.

Asuka's refusal to change herself or accept the truth about the EVA's and the Angels is precisely why she succumbs in the first place. Rei and Shinji both learn and change themselves, change their opinions of themselves and redefine their own relationships. They don't reject ideas that conflict with their own worldview like Asuka does. Their characters change because they are partially open to change, even if it hurts them.

Asuka isn't. Which is why she goes catatonic and becomes through her failure a warning against otaku escapism.

This is all separate from fleshing out their characters, where we passively learn about them through others or through their actions. Rei, Shinji and Asuka are well flashed out, but Asuka's character is static nonetheless. Why do you think Rei is the one that relates these things to Shinji in both EoE and NGE, when Asuka is off screen/dead? It's because they are the children who change.

>>156983587
I heard something about Asuka making shinji masturbate in a train . was that true?

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>>156970155
Now that's an eye opener

>"LCL is people"

Is there a place I can watch all episodes of Neon Genesis online?
I can't into downloading right now for reasons. /a/ should know of good places with good quality and subs, right?

>>156995129
If you can stream, you can download.

>>156995129
There's like a thousand sites. Not going to tell you what they are because if you're not smart enough to find them you're not smart enough for Eva.

>>156994071
She keeps going because she's needed by Gendo. There's no self-worth factor that keeps her from killing herself again and again until the End. She simply doesn't give a shit not about Eva, but about herself. You need to understand that she's not defining herself as a person until the End, like Asuka and Shinji. Your own idealization of a character you waifu keeps you from understanding of how she's actually detached from herself. I feel sorry for you not understanding her.