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Will Kakarot defeat Jiren the Gray?
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Leave everything to me dad.
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Super is so retarded that it retroactively ruins dragon ball for me
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>>156448693
It's fun though
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>>156450717
this.
you can shit on it all you want I think most of /a/ is on the same page about its quality.
but most of us are gonna watch and talk about it Saturday night anyway.
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>>156450866
Qaoity is imörtant! Thats why did this:
A few years back I made a comment on a TFS abridged episode. This was back when they claimed that the show was non profit at the start of every single episode. I told them that they should tear down that disclaimer because they were obviously profiteering with their gaming channel and their t-shirts. I got like a hundred negative replies from TFS fanboys and surprisingly I got a hate fueled reply from I think it was Kaiserneko (the gay one). It was odd because TFS never freaking replies to youtube comments since they get a million of them. I must have pressed a button. Anyway after I said this they stopped claiming that their show was non-profit.
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I can't say how relieved I am that others in this thread are calling out Super for being the complete clusterfuck it is.

Every goddamn episode, some completely unnecessary inconsistency or character-derailing moment is thrown in for shits and giggles. It feels like Toei and/or Toriyama are TRYING to shit on their own series.

Power scaling is all over the damn place, you literally can't even make a solid guess on how strong half the cast is. Piccolo and Frieza get some of the most ridiculous boosts in the entire series. "But if Frieza did it, why can't anyone!?"

Goku becomes a completely unbearable cunt with no personality aside from annoying fight junkie, and suddenly, "muh original japanese goku, not meant to be a hero"

He's always been a flawed dipshit, but in the original manga, he showed plenty of examples of wanting to defend others. Flawed judgement/bad decisions=/=complete apathy

All I want to do is punch DBS Goku in the goddamn face, but he'd probably love that, too.

And that's just the tip of the goddamn iceberg.

>inb4 GT

It's shit, too. But I'll give it one thing, its characters didn't look like cardboard cutouts in every other shot.
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>>156452130
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Doc, I'm going into battle and I need your strongest dose
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>>156453249
Gohan we've been over this you can't handle it your ass is way more delicate than even Vegeta's
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>>156452130
nice reddit spacing fag
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Goku will, not Kakarot
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Hey guys I was just wondering, why was Bardock so well received?
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>>156453644
Because he's a brilliant scientist
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>>156453644
He was just an [above] average working saiyan. He enjoyed what he did and tried to save his race.
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>>156453644
Because the Bardock the Father of Goku Ova was so good.
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>>156453750
Minus was better.
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>>156453644
because his theme is boss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm77VCkf_do
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>>156453644
He was really cool and manly and nothing like Goku
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>>156453827
To each his own I guess.
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>>156453980
What's wrong with Goku?
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Reminder
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>>156442189
I'm blind. Is the GoD with the cone hat here the clown or not? Or is that Sidra?

>>156451096
>U10 is named The Macho Universe
>no one has done an edit like this one but with Gowasu or Rumoosh's head instead or the loli angel's

>>156453644
>>156453750
This.

>>156453827
I've yet to read Minus. Is it worth it?
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>>156454464
>I've yet to read Minus. Is it worth it?
Yes. It's better than the TV special.
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No fucking clue. Dragon ball lost it's touch.
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>>156454464
It's eh, worth a read if you care about canon. Pretty short too.
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>>156454464
It's worth to realize Tori is a hack also Gine's cute I guess
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>>156453644
Man, I love those defined collarbones the characters in Z had
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>>156454454
Toei has probably forgotten about that.
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>>156454043
Was refraining from posting this in a new thread, but old one got archived whilst I was typing it out.

Well the closest to Freeza tier villain is one that I would say would be slightly above Freeza final form, I dunno maybe #16 tier I guess? The power scaling was always kinda weird in DBZ once they got back to Earth because Freeza was a planet busting villain.

Anyway the fight kinda goes with smugpup and side characters going against him first, they all eventually get their shit wrecked with only smugpup standing (who I'd say is at around low SSJ level at that point), a side character is killed off who serves as the main rival character's plot fuelled power up. Smugpup is incapacitated by this point, so the rival character now at around his level (if not above) takes over.

During this time the designated walking senzu bean (who can fight to a degree himself) uses the last of his power to heal smugpup. This leads to Smugpup and his rival (finally) working together, this taking a long time given his rival contributed to the murder of smugpup's father in cold blood.

Being on almost equal terms against the two of them, the main villain of that saga combines himself with this giant obliterate cannon and goes up into orbit in order to take out everyone on the planet.

The way they beat him is smugpup uses an improvised Wan Tan Dan to put all of his energy into his rival, of which the designated tech wizard person takes control of what's left of the cannon on the planet to propel "The Rival" out into orbit where he kicks the villain so hard with the wantandan energy condensed into his foot that his own leg explodes off.

The fights with the next main villain gets even more ridiculous but I really want to refrain from beam struggles, or "EVERYONE LEND ME YOUR ENERGY" techniques. Thanks for your time in reading this autism.
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>>156455005
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>>156448693

Good for you

Welcome to the ride

Your never getting off
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>>156454501
>>156454505
>>156454756
OK, guess I'm giving it a shot.
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>>156455005
>The way they beat him is smugpup uses an improvised Wan Tan Dan to put all of his energy into his rival, of which the designated tech wizard person takes control of what's left of the cannon on the planet to propel "The Rival" out into orbit where he kicks the villain so hard with the wantandan energy condensed into his foot that his own leg explodes off.

Your special kind of autism is a fucking treat. Would love to see this animated and in an actual series. It's the right level of retarded and stupid that got me into Dragon Ball in the first place, and would really get me back into Dragon Ball.
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>>156455339
Thanks, none of the characters have designs or names yet, they're literally all just "designated story telling roles" for now. Still fleshing it out given I only came up with it yesterday morning. Hope to have everything solidified in a few days if I put my mind to it though.
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>>156455691
Keep it up you absolute madman, or mad dog.
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>>156455005
unsubscribe me from your comments please
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jopjyJeiANs
Thoughts?
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I like Super, it's a good show and a good continuation of the franchise.
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Will Piccolo ever move beyond being the babysitter?
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>>156456136
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>>156448693
It's not that "retarded", people should stop overreacting. DBZ had lots of flaws too, the only thing about DBS that is objectively bad is the quality of drawings/animation but in spirit it's pretty faithful to the universe.
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>>156456312
>It's not that "retarded"
>but in spirit it's pretty faithful to the universe.
HAHAHAHAAHAHA
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Funny how people bitched and called GT trash because of things like 17+17 being able to stand up to SS4. Now 17 fighting on par with SSB after training with poachers in DBS is being fiercely defended.
http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/150449133/#q150451980
>Android 17 + Android 17 (with a trenchcoat!)=SS4

http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/150449133/#q150451533
>The power-scaling in GT bothered me a lot
>Two Android 17's >= SS4 Goku

http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/149715787/#149717068
>Two Android 17's > SS4

http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/149320599/#q149341219
>Extreme power discrepancies, like Super 17's existence and Base Kid Goku being stronger than SS4 Goku at times

http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/148823736/#q148831414
>Super 17 >= SS4 Goku

http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/148823736/#q148831264
>At least DBS is much more consistent in terms of power-scaling than GT
>Two Android 17's >= SS4 Goku
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>>156446749
grayy lmao
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>>156456352
Nice answer faggot.
Please talk with fucking words and explain why "retarded" is a good description. Also powerlevels are off, but the characters are way more themselves and more interesting than they were in most of the Z period. Tori is GOAT but he completely forgot about some his rules and techniques that Super brought back, not even talking about the characters that basically became useless like Krilin, whereas in Super he had a really nice episode to talk about him, and not just being Goku's dog or a spectator.
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>>156456479
>he characters are way more themselves and more interesting than they were in most of the Z period.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
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Does goku get a new form???
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>>156456479
>the characters are way more themselves and more interesting than they were in most of the Z period

No.
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>>156456479
>but the characters are way more themselves and more interesting than they were in most of the Z period.
You're joking right?
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>>156456560
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>>156456510
>>156456539


I give up, maybe you'll stop answering like a retard when you grow up. If you don't want to debate then don't waste people's time and yours. Explain yourselves, because that's what you would like from someone with a contradictory opinion. Maybe not I guess, some fans just want to troll, why the hell do I even bother.
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>>156456560
Well obviously 17 wants the sweet release of death now
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>>156456597
>I give up
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Im just saying. It would be hype if he went passed ssj blue. Just saying
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>>156456640
No, this must stopped, God should've been the last evolution.
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Then what type of new power will he get to beat universe 11
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>>156456597
I'd dig up every single one of my old posts explaining why Super's characters have lost all personality and have become husks of their former selves but I'm too tired to at the moment. Either you're new here and have never read my own, or any other anon's grievances in full detail over why the characters in Super are written so incredibly poorly to the point they're unlikable and no fun to watch, or you've been sitting around blissfully unaware of it.

It's not a case of you giving up, it's case of you just insulting others with a conflicting opinions to your own and never arguing your own point across clearly, or with any real substance or grounding.
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>>156453644
Because he wasn't a good guy.
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>>156456597
smug is right, you're the one acting like a child and trolling here and attacking people first without reading anyone elses posts first
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Yes im new. I dont know how it works. Thank you for clearing it out for me. I apologize for my ignorance.
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>>156456908
>It's not a case of you giving up, it's case of you just insulting others with a conflicting opinions
Conflicting opinions themselves are not an insult, and I'm not developping less than people being hateful towards the show. Anyway, about the characters : I feel like most people confuse what the characters were back in Z and what they are supposed to evolve into. Gohan is the perfect example of this. Goku's current "evil" egotistic attitude is also very Goku-like and the way his broken level evolved past the gods affects people around him is a good idea to give something new to the character. Vegeta was always about becoming more "human" after being Goku's ennemy and him caring about his family is part of that.
I don't know, what character do you think is off? (I'll admit the only one I hate in Super is Videl, which turned into a ridiculously bland tolr of mother instead of being a character)
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>>156457160
Goku is too stupid and carefree. He's always been a little, but he also used to think and worry about things. He's more of a parody of himself right now.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IF_Lx4q1kM&feature=youtu.be&t=2m8s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG-WysRRaj8

Best OSTs
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>>156456560
>17 can instantly snatch a controller from a cyborg who's power level is around 3 million, but he cant snatch a controller from some weak frog guy.
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>>156457408
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I like goku. Hes alway had a big inpact to me. Hes fights, his ways of testing his opponents in combat always looking to being out his best. Im the same way when i play baskerball. I like to see how goog you are so i can get better. Now, i feel that for goku to beat jin he would need more than just kio-ken. But then we see him fighting jin in his base form so im thinking, is that how he start off? Or is he holding back to see the difference is both their power
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>tfw Super Saiyan Angel
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>>156457160
For one you're going around sinking to people's levels who don't want to bother discussing with you by calling them retarded.

That aside:
Goku - Turned from guy who likes to fight and know when to dial it down and deal with problems to guy who only likes to fight, fuck the consequences.
spends his time doing everything we don't want in a shonen battle show.

18, Videl - Boring housewives with no personalities anymore.

Chi Chi - Regressed from her character development during the Buu Saga from a more relaxed, more understanding mother back to being insufferable one trick megabitch.

Beerus - Nothing more than a goofy fuckup who interrupts the pacing of every episode. A huge fall from grace from his introduction in Battle of Gods

17 - Apathetic rock. Apparently "becoming mature" means you become an uninteresting idiot.

Future Trunks - Had personality flaws in Z to reduce his Mary Sue status, had a burning prejudice against androids. Now he's just "I'm a nice guy fighting the good fight there's absolutely nothing negative or interesting about me anymore"

Future Mai - The most artificial love story ever, doesn't even mention Future PIlaf or Shu, the comrades of the majority of her life.

Piccolo - Defeatist, gives up against Frost because Goku told him to. Barely gets relevant screen time now.

Goten - Chi Chi's bitch now. Literally doesn't exist now.

Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Chiaotzu - Almost non-existant, Yamcha is just a meme now.

Mr Satan - Literally just doing the same thing from Z, nothing has changed AT ALL but I don't expect it to

I'll move onto the characters that didn't get it as bad but are still flawed for various other reasons in my next post.
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>>156457408
>Gero
>3 million
Eh? I imagine it'd be a lot higher since him and 19 were pretty strong even though they couldn't beat trained SSJs.
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>>156457363
I miss when Goku got mad to the point there was no WAKU for him.
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>>156457680
Let's be honest, with how the characters are handled, being almost non-existent is a blessing.
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>>156457723
Goku was suffering from heart virus before he fought 19 and Super saiyan only made it worse. Goku wasn't fighting at even 1/4th of his real power and Gero was only slightly stronger than 19. Vegeta was only toying with 19 too.
>3:30
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSNtBhVAqhM
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>>156457680
Characters who have gotten it good / not as bad

Bulma - Bulma might not be the slut she was back on Dragon Ball, or the mega bitch she was in Dragon Ball Z, but has become the reliable smooth talker of the group. I still like Bulma.

Vegeta - Probably the character with the most development, the problem I have with Vegeta is that he's developed too much from what made him popular in the first place, leaving him with very little room to progress from here on out.

Kid Trunks - He's grown to be more confident and reliable, and less impulsive, but still has spunk and fire within him. Too bad he's barely relevant.

Buu - One dimensional manchild bubblegum demon remains a one dimensional manchild bubblegum demon

Oolong and Puar - Oolong remains faithful to his old self. Puar gets the scene where he pretends to be Beerus, which I loved.

Super is undoubtedly going in a terrible direction and at this rate I honestly don't see any future in the series.

NONE of the new characters have had ANY real character development, nor have we really developed any proper attachment to them without making headcanons or memeing the fuck out. The fact you're even suggesting that the characters are true to what they were, or implying it's moving in a good direction is something I, and most of the fanbase can and will not agree with.
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>>156457892
Even at 1/5th power, Goku is still at a minimum of 30 mil and that's assuming he didn't get a single bit stronger since his fight with Frieza on Namek, which is false. So you can assume he's quite a bit stronger than even that. Vegeta was at roughly the same level. Saying Gero was at 3 mil is really dumb. They're definitely close to 100% Frieza at the very least.
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>>156458001
Piccolo beat Gero easily and there is no way he was higher than 2-4 million.
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>>156457959
Adding on Krillin at the end - What I've seen of him is decent so far, but he hasn't done anything relevant yet. I still like Krillin as he is right now, and is probably the only character I like more in Super right now.
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>>156457959
>Kid Trunks
>Too bad he's barely relevant.
Don't worry he will team up with Future Trunks to defeat Zamasu.
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>>156458080
Piccolo has always been strong and always grown quickly. He's no SSJ but with Nail and training with Goku I wouldn't deny Piccolo being a lot stronger than on Namek. There's definitely no way he didn't grow to more than what Goku was at on Namek in his base form in the span of 4 fucking years.
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>>156458001
Goku couldn't have broke more than a few million fighting 19 because of the heart virus and he fed the fat fuck a Kamehameha and restored his energy too
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Just a random question, Does anyone knows if db kai japanese bluray has english subs on?
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>>156458178
You assume so but he was going really strong at first and would have won the fight if the virus hadn't kicked in and crippled him soon after.
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>>156458157
Soon, anon. Soon.
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>>156453644
>had a badass theme
>avenges his squad like a boss
>has visions of the future
>tells all the saiyans to go fuck themselves because they don't believe him
>jumps alone and confronts shitloads of soldiers and confronts their leader alone
>even knowing his power he still shittalked him and he died like a boss

What is not to like?
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>>156458250
That he was already taken
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>>156457723
>>156457892
>>156458001
>>156458080
It was pretty obvious that Goku was dying from the SS strain and heart virus while fighting 19, and it was just a game to Vegeta. If Goku had been at even 1/5th strength he would have killed 19 with a single punch.
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>>156458288
That is not his fault man
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>>156457959
>Vegeta is that he's developed too much from what made him popular in the first place
?
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>>156458322
The heart virus didn't really start kicking in until after he started fighting as a SSJ. If 19 and Gero were only 3 mil, he would have won with his very first hit. Same applies to Vegeta, who was mostly bluffing during his fight. He took some damage and lost a lot of energy but it was worth it.
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>best couple never ever

He had to remember chichi.. that bastard
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>>156458442
No, stop that
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>>156458393
Even base Goku could knock Gero around.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqV-BYe8YiI
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>>156458442
>best couple
They were never a couple.
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>>156458456
Fuck off, their relationship was built perfectly, when goku comes back as an adult it was perfect, but Toriyama cucked it
>>156458481
I know, it should've
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>>156457680
>>156457959
Do the new characters, the U6 fighters, Black, Zamasu, Gowasu etc.
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>>156458341
Well you asked what's not to like and I told you.
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>Manga Zamasu is pretty much like the usual Toriyama villain. Evil to be evil, cocky when ahead, immature child when losing
>Anime Zamasu is so popular because he's very different from the Toriyama style, and actually believes he's the good guy. Even when he goes insane because of his imperfect fusion, he still believes he's the hero
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>>156458464
Which did no damage.
Vegeta took a hit from 19 that made him bleed.
They're definitely way stronger than some stupid shit like 3 mil.
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>>156458511
I know, but he does its best anon, no one is perfect
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>>156458502
t. Torishima
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>>156458379
Vegeta was popular because he was the unpredictable hotheaded prideful asshole who fucked things up for the protagonists. His sheer envy at Goku being one step ahead being his motive for even existing was a major part of his character. Almost everyone watching wanted him to slowly see the light and finally fight for the side of good, and to find new meaning in life.

Well it's happened. Hooray.

Ok so now he's a better family man than Kakarot ever was, but where to from here? Is watching a tsundere family man Vegeta more entertaining than what we got from him out of Z? It's not TERRIBLE but I can not say with confidence that it's better than Z's Vegeta,
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>>156458526
Vegeta gave him a free hit because he just didnt care. The only way for the Android 19 to be stronger than 3 million is if 19 was actually far stronger than Gero, and Gero was just bluffing about his own power. Piccolo couldn't have been at fucking SS level.
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>>156458442
I used to ship them desu, too bad AT doesn't know how to write romance.that's why he decided to go for the easy route with chi-chi
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>>156458519
>actually believes he's the good guy.
That's why he taunted Goku with the death of his family? Because good guys act like that right?

>Even when he goes insane because of his imperfect fusion,
Nice headcanon, he was insane from jump street.

>immature child when losing
Funny, since anime Zamasu's main motivation is that he's butthurt about losing to Goku.
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>>156458615
So why did it make him bleed? If they're that weak he shouldn't have even bled and Gero would have taken more damage from Goku's punch since his base form is stronger than 3 mil at that point.
I'd wager that 19 and Gero were around or slightly above 100 mil with Gero being weaker than 19 and Piccolo stronger than Gero. Both SSJ Goku and Vegeta being a good amount stronger than the 150 mil SSJ Goku was at on Namek.
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>>156458684
>Nice headcanon, he was insane from jump street.
That isn't headcanon. Gowasu says it. He loses his smugness and calmness because of his fusion
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>>156458706
>19 and Gero were around or slightly above 100 mil
>piccolo effortlessly beats gero
>piccolo going from 1.2 million to over 100 million without merging or transformations
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>>156458442
It was perfect, and it was ruined
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>>156458734
>That isn't headcanon.
Except it is, genocidal people aren't sane at all.
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>>156458807
That's incorrect.
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>>156458790
>base form Piccolo has always been roughly equal to base form Goku without special training
>Piccolo is many many times stronger than his base form after fusing with Nail
>somehow Piccolo being ~100 mil after 4 years of training, 3 of which were with Goku himself, is incomprehensible
I don't have a PhD in mathematics but 3 mil is way too fucking low. You'd have to be a retard to think they're anywhere near that weak.
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>>156458799
I love how Toriyama ruins people's boring expectations for shipping and instead he just comes up with some completely random couple.
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>>156458963
Its not boring reeeeee it was building up from the start
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>>156458510
Gimme a while, will be back in a bit, I have problems with all the new characters too, most of them being lack of development, therefore hard to give a shit about them, or the fact they're intentionally designed to be one-dimensional gimmicks.
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>>156458920
>base goku knocks gero off balance
>piccolo says that goku isnt using even a tiny fraction of his real SS power while fighting 19 because super saiyan kicked the heart virus into overdrive and started killing goku
>SS vegeta toys with 19 and never once sees him as a real threat
>piccolo beats gero without even trying
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>>156458986
Nope.
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>>156459036
yes it was, don't fool yourself, you know its true, but toriyama went full retard
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>>156453644
because he was cooler than goku
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>>156459026
>heart virus doesn't really kick in until later in the fight
>Piccolo says that after Goku is already gasping for breath
Fucking tard.
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>>156453644
Because his TV special was better than any DBZ movie and gave insight into Goku's backstory and the Saiyan race, he had a face like Raditz too before they turned him into a generic Goku clone with Superman's parents backstory in Minus.
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>>156459072
You're just delusional anon.
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>>156459106
Goku was already acting funny before he even went Super Saiyan you shit eating bitch
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>>156459186
No i'm not why did Toriyama do this to me fuck
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>>156459187
Oh no. I guess being slightly afflicted made it so he was instantly at 1% of his total power so that the Ginyu-strength Android 19 was able to stomp him into the dirt. Fucking kill yourself.
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>>156458575
He's more predctible,u know he wouldn't put his family or the earth on the line anymore to fight strong guys or achieve more power, but he's still has his moments of badassery, i enjoy watching him getting his ass kicked over and over and the coming back stronger everytime
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>>156459026
b-b-but MUH PICCOLO WAS SUPER SAIYAN TIER FUCK LOGIC OR CONSISTENCY
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>>156459316
You're right. He is throwing logic to the wind to believe the horseshit he's spewing.
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>>156458519
>Manga Zamasu is pretty much like the usual Toriyama villain. Evil to be evil, cocky when ahead, immature child when losing
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>>156459261
It was never meant to happen.
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Reminder that Vegeta is gay for Goku

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8damZMq7Tg
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>>156459399
Mr.T was a god among men
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>>156459026
>Gero and 19 aware of Frieza's strength
>Gero and 19 intended to be the real threat from the future
>Gero and 19 at minimum slightly below tier
>Not factoring in Goku's growth during training for them
>"N-no they CAN'T BE strong"
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>>156458880
not an argument
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>>156459456
>>Not factoring in Goku's growth during training for them
That's a good point, Goku is way stronger than he was on Namek at base. He could be as high as 10 million.
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>>156459385
Anime is completely original anon, only Toyo copies
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>>156459456
and a ching chong nip nong to you too lady
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>>156459456
>Gero and 19 aware of Greeza's strength
No indication of that at all, Gero and 19 didnt even know what Super Saiyan was
>Gero and 19 intended to be the real threat from the future
Gero intended to be far more powerful than Saiyan Saga model Goku and had no data of Namek

Piccolo going from 1.2 million to SS level after training with a bald midget for 3 years is fucking retarded.
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>>156459490
>500 million as Super Saiyan
It would fit in with Cooler's PL
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>>156459567
<3
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>>156459574
>after training with a bald midget for 3 years is fucking retarded
Good thing he trained with Goku for 3 years instead, mouthbreather.
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>>156458510
OK U6, lackluster character designs, already negative points for that, now onto personalities:

Botamo and Magetta - Highly implied to be friends, we have nothing but one trick gimmick ponies right now, with one that just goes toot toot.

Frost - Freeza clone. doesn't even have the fun megalomaniacal personality of Freeza - No development in manga, potential ruined in anime.

Champa - Annoying fat Beerus, not even endearing, just annoying

Vados - Barely says anything, doesn't even get to be a female Whis as a result

Hit - Less personality than anything in Keanu Reeves' acting career. Cool techniques, absolutely dull character.. The stoic silent assassin just doesn't work unless the series revolves around that character. Dragon Ball Super is not that kind of series.

Zamasu / Black - Semi-interesting concept, finally a villain with a slightly deeper (but not well fleshed out) motive. If we have a villain with a deeper motive it needs to be well written and thought out, not "Let's roll with god who has the same thought process as a high school social reject".

The reason I really don't see them as decent villains outside of their meme potential is that the fanbase, for a series like Super, should never have to pseudo-intellectualize on teenage, sociopath tendencies and narcissistic psychology to fill in the gaps in character establishment in a series like Dragon Ball. The world and depth of writing simply does not set up the means for it aesthetically. As wonderful as the original Japanese voice acting for Zamasu and Black were, the characters themselves are so poorly written that it ruined any potential they had in the first place.

Gowasu - barely does anything in the anime, Shin and Gowasu were the two I actually liked more in the manga because they actually participated and did something. Otherwise Gowasu is also just a meme with very little development,

I'll move onto U9 and U11 in my next post.
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>>156459619
WOAH WHAT A DIFFERENCE
PICCOLO COULD HAVE BEAT 100% FRIEZA FOR SURE

Gero and 19 were weak
DEAL WITH IT
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>>156459574
Cell.

Narratively, 19 and 20 were the ones who originally killed everyone in the future before the retcon.

Piccolo was training with Goku.
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>>156459651
>getting so defensive about being wrong that you sperg out
I can smell the /v/ on you.
And since when was 100 mil higher than 120 mil, retard? Gero and 19 were far beyond 3 mil. Deal with it.
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>>156459651
Massive difference. Training with stronger people always makes you stronger. You think Yamcha could ever be Raditz tier if he just kept up his normal routine?
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>>156459654
>Narratively, 19 and 20 were the ones who originally killed everyone in the future

Trunks say that 19 and 20 never appeared in the future, Gero never built 19 and he was killed by 17 and 18 before he could even do anything. Holy fuck nobody here even knows what the fuck they're talking about.
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>>156459753
Wrong >>156459456
>Jinzoningen #19 & #20
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>>156459753
>leaving out the last part
He said before the retcon you sperg
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>>156459753
>He doesn't know
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>>156458519
>Anime Zamasu is so popular
Oh no.
He's not.
His reasoning for doing anything was deeply fucking retarded on every level and he was even less interesting, entertaining and threatening then garlic jr.
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>>156459287
As I said, Vegeta isn't in a terrible position in terms of story telling, it's just that far less people will find him interesting now, especially that he's constantly playing second fiddle to Goku.

U9 Rou and Trio de Dangers:

Saturday morning cartoon villains, literally just Dick Rou Dastardly and 3 Mutleys
On a character design perspecitve:
What the fuck is wrong with Bergamo's muscles?
I also hate bipedal digitigrade character designs - standing up on your hind legs like that would put you at risk of toppling forwards constantly unless you moved around on all fours. It looks stupid and its unaesthetic nature fucks me off.

tl;dr one dimensional easily forgettable cackling chucklefucks

U11 - Super Sentai gimmick squad 2.0
Have yet to see more of them, they haven't really had much screentime, and whatever little I see of them I enjoy, but I can't see them really becoming major characters at this point.

With everything I've mentioned and complained about the old characters, there has been a HUGE personality vacuum. This would've been a PERFECT OPPORTUNITY to introduce a new character (or even several) to become major characters who actually have an influence on everyone.

Currently we have nothing of the sort, and we're just left with a void that just keeps growing with nothing to fill it with.
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>>156459788
>>156459844
>>156459878
>before the retcon
I don't know why anon's using information that was retconned as proof. 19 and 20 are weak as fuck.
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>>156459909
HEY WE HAVE THE FIGHT WITH HI...
Okay the retconned him into being a weak faggot who's basically piccolo but boring...
WHAT ABOUT TOPPO!!
ugh..
TrannyBroly? yeah..no.

We have a ridiculously over powered 17! oh yeah..no one really ever liked him at all.
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>>156459932
>19 and 20 are weak as fuck
Nah. Get over it.
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>>156459640
>>156459909
Thanks
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>>156459932
Never intended to be any significantly weaker than Frieza. This is Toriyama's MO. Goku's group are stronger because they trained. Gero himself absorbed some of Vegeta's energy.

Even if they were only in the 10 million mark they would be significantly above that from the drink alone.

Let's not forget Gero also sucked Yamcha dry.
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>>156459980
>no one really ever liked him at all
Speak for yourself, faggot
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>>156460126
In the Jap dub after Piccolo gets drained by Gero, Piccolo says that Gero barely absorbed anything at all because Piccolo was suppressing his power when it happened. That's why Gero was no match for Piccolo even after absorbing his energy. The energy drain didn't alter their power much at all.
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>>156460199
I liked 17

I just don't find 17 interesting in the 2 episodes we've seen him in. He's just incredibly boring and poorly written. The only decent thing we have is his status update.
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>>156460241
Which means... Piccolo is strong enough, while suppressed, to be a match for Super Saiyans.

Gero has a built-in Scouter you know.
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>>156459932
No bitch.
They were ridiculously strong AND they absorbed ki and life force and added it to their own power. They were ridiculously hax.

19 and 20 were supposed to be the type of androids that Trunks(well future gohan till that editor told him to change it)faced in the future.

Think about it. Why in the fuck would he need a goddamned sword? Who in the fuck taught him how to use it and why(yes we can make the case that gohan taught him his sword fighting skills)?
Who was he going to use it against?

Exactly. Ki absorbing androids. Look at his efficient brutal fighting style where he rarely used any ki attacks. How he sliced up frieza then blasted the bits.

Toriyama based the entire android saga on terminator and in the future the world was taken over by ki absorbing super androids with only him and gohan with bulma's technological skill and maybe even the capsule backed army being strong enough and skilled enough to put up any resistance.
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>>156460298
That's not what that means at all.
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>>156460241
This only makes the 19 and Gero are super weak case look even worse.
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>17
I really hope Toyo uses the artificial humans real names.
Lapis and Lazuli.
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>>156460308
>Why in the fuck would he need a goddamn sword

MAYBE BECAUSE PICCOLO TRAINED GOHAN TO USE SWORDS AS A KID?
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>>156460335
Prove me wrong ningen.

Piccolo was strong enough, while suppressed, to match a Super Saiyan's power going by your logic.
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>>156460383
Why would Trunks use a sword? By this logic Trunks can use Special Beam Cannon.
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>>156460383
His point was that Trunks was originally given a sword so he wouldn't have to fight hand to hand with ki absorbing androids. After Mr. T's changes it was just an aspect of his cool factor.
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>>156460385
Piccolo wasn't powered up when Gero drained him, so Gero only absorbed a negligible amount of energy.

get some reading comprehension
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>>156460467
Energy that he saw was comparable to a Super Saiyan's. Lots of energy. More than 3 million.
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>>156458442
Quit cucking Yamcha
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>>156460510
>Energy that he saw was comparable to a Super Saiyan
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>REEEEE PICCOLO CAN'T BE STRONG BECAUSE MUH HEADCANONS
you're adorable
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>>156460510
>>156460588
gero couldn't accurately gauge a super saiyans power so of course he would say piccolo who is stronger than him has comparable power
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>>156460271
You do not seem happy with the characters of DBS so far. How would you write smug pup's character when the tournament begins?
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>>156460457
>His point was that Trunks was originally given a sword so he wouldn't have to fight hand to hand with ki absorbing androids
That is actually pretty cool. Fuck Torishima for ruining everything.
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>>156460641
In the end it worked out for the better that the arc ended with Cell rather than 19 or Gero but that was great part of Trunks' design that was wasted in the process.
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>>156460632
jesus christ what
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>>156460632
That's 1% Freeza right there so I don't know what point you're trying to make anon
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>>156460383
Yes but why would TRUNKS need a fucking useless sword. Even in the much beloved OVA we never see Gohan teach him a single goddamned sword fighting related technique.


I wish he stuck with the ki absorbing androids. Can you fucking imagine how fucking awesome the fights would have been? Imagine and entire saga where ki use was kept at a minimum and it was a full on martial arts fight wit ki techniques as big and as flashy as the Kamehawave and gallic gun were seen as liabilities and even helped the villians.
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>>156460632
The worst part is that some of that was borrowed energy.
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>>156459727
Anon, he was Raditz tier in the Saiyan saga after having a power level of 177. It's why he beat (but didn't kill) the Saibaman. After that he trained with King Kai, and went on a training mission that involved self loathing that a manlet fuck stole his girlfriend which is why he cut his hair like a Saiyan. Unless his training was like the shit he did in filler (lifting weights), he's leagues beyond Raditz and Nappa.
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>>156460715
>1% Frieza
This was filler from when Goku was building a spirit bomb. That's 50% Frieza.
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>>156460675
Cell stopped being worth three squirts of piss the second he stopped being imperfect. The entire goddamned saga went into the toilet at that point.
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>>156460750
Fuck, disregard this post I suck cocks.
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>>156460715
You're literally too focused on Power Levels to understand it is not a show of strength, but a show of something stupid.

That Piccolo kept trying to hit a dangalang that Frieza just did not have.
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>>156460789
He served to wound Vegeta's pride afterwards which was nice but I'm glad they finished Cell off relatively quickly after he became Perfect and used him mostly to have Gohan fulfill his character arc.
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>>156460821
its okay cutie
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>>156460637
Smug. Well I'd write him as a happy go lucky character who would playfully banter with his allies, and occasionally his opponents, and intentionally piss the more uptight ones off with his snarkiness and lighthearted nature. He'd play with his opponents in a confident but non-malicious way.

For instance he'd see personality flaws and see potential targets to subtly mock and poke at those flaws "innocently" until they exploded. However if he needed to flip the serious switch, he would, as of which he'd be intently focusing on getting the job done.
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>>156459889
>He's not.
Objectively false.
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>>156460789
I agree, the arc sucks after 17 gets absorbed.
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>>156460377
17 and 18 discarded their past lives already, they're comfortable with who they are
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>>156460632
And people call Super's animation bad
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>>156460718
See >>156460457
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>>156460430
He can use the Masenko
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>>156460974
Rightfully so
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>>156459889
His reasoning and motivations were was incredibly simple and easy to believe, you don't need to spend 2 hour long documentaries explaining why ningens are trash from his perpective nor have an evangelion-like character breakdown exlaining his god complex for us to buy it.

>hurr he is like garlic jr because they both wished for inmortality.
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>>156460934
Bruh every single thing to do with 17 and 18 outside of the fight between 17 and piccolo was fucking trash. And you know what, those kinds of fights were where toriyama shined and if they kept the ki absorbing future androids we would have seen all kinds of battles like that, with everyone being able to pitch in in their own way.
This isn't even up for debate.
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>>156460915
That does sound pretty fun, it's going to be a shame given super's current track record he'll just be a throwaway character who won't even say anything.
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>>156461029
>easy to believe
Not really.
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>>156460995
Well, it's cooler and more powerful then the Kamehawave. It's also pretty damned awesome. If you told someone who was watching DBZ for the first time in the Frieza saga Vegeta and Bulma's son from the future who was trained by Gohan in the Demonschool of martial arts would be the one to kill Frieza you'd lose your fucking mind at the awesome implications of it.
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>>156460915
GT or Super?
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>>156460632
>That was useless
>I'LL DO IT AGAIN
>10 gorillion ki blasts to Frieza's nonexistent dick
what even is this
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>>156461029
It was fucking stupid and his reason for doing anything changed nearly every goddamned ep.
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>>156461139
filler
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>>156461139
its shit
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>>156460632
>>156461229
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK2CwlPnECQ
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>>156461053
Oh yeah, I'm fully aware of that. At this point I have no faith in the writing staff and I have very very low expectations, if any at all. If they haven't been able to make any of their existing characters interesting almost 100 episodes in, when it would've been incredibly easy to do so, I honestly don't see them suddenly pulling a colorful character out of nowhere to fill a hole that desperately needs filling.

>>156461121
At the moment it's really hard to choose. Characters were bland or irritating in both Super and GT. GT had some "bad ideas with no potential", and "decent ideas squandered by a bad series in general", whereas Super has had "pretty decent ideas, every single one having absolutely abysmal execution".

As much as it pains me to say this, but at this current point in time, I'd have to say GT barely wins out even though I hate that series with a passion because at least The ending was good, even if everything else was an absolute shit show.

I don't like this question because it reminds me of how little faith I have in Super now, and how much I hated GT, and how excited I was for Super in the first place.
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>>156461254
You seem to forget a large portion of just HOW BAD GT was, tripfaggot.

It was more than just bad ideas with no potential, it's bad ideas that waste the ability to have potential.

Remember Uub? Trunks? Vegeta? What can you recall about even half of the villains? Super's Vegeta blows even HALF of the characters in GT out of the damn water and you know that. Do you even remember the Space Lemurs? No, because fucking Monaka leaves more of an impact than the Space Lemurs.

But let's not forget one of GT's biggest crimes.
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>>156461254
WAN TAN DAAAN
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>>156457363
>>156457680

Goku turned into his DBZ Abridged characterization near exactly 1:1.
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>>156461389
All these years and I'm still mad.

Still so mad.
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>>156461254
Can't wait until smugpup loses the tournament and he gets deleted so you can finally kill yourself
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>>156461254
>blah blah blah blah
It intrigues me to know what kind of people care about this guy's opinions and why.
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>>156461456
furfag enablers
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>>156461389
The crime of GT still pains me to this day.

>>156461437
The potential of Goten himself in GT, that complete waste, just why. WHY?
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>>156461442
To me it no longer matters what happens to the smugpup in super. I have grown to enjoy the smugpup in smugpup so super's smugpup can be deleted and I still wouldnt care
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>>156461029
>His reasoning and motivations were was incredibly simple and easy to believe,
Really?
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>>156461389
>GT Vegeta
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebjQo5eMgmY
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>>156461572
Then hopefully he dies irl and toei decides to delete all his images from the internet
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>>156461572
I had a hard time understanding your sentence but thanks, I guess?
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>>156458807
Perfectly sane people participate in genocides. That's the thing about genocides, perfectly sane and happy people can participate in them quite easily.
>>
I like dragon ball super.
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>>156461490
I'm under the impression that some of these enablers are people who can't form their own opinions, so they ask some random furfag on /a/ to parrot his opinion.
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>>156448630
Thanks anon you made me remember all the "leave Black to me" posters
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>>156461687
>leave Black to me
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>>156461628
I have something easier for you to understand

"kill yourself"
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>>156461687
We've moved on.
Or... have we?
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>>156460974
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>>156461658
No shit, it's pretty hard to express an opinion in these threads without being ignored, called retarded and autistic, or kys without having a strong or stubborn personality, it's obvious why a lot of people would ask him
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>>156461687
>"leave Black to me"
Yeah, good times. It was especially funnier when someone was implying that an SSB Gohan would fight Black.
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>>156461761
If we keep harrasing him, he will leave eventually, this kind of tripfaggotry is unnaceptable
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>>156461804
I don't want him to leave, don't lump me with your we
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>>156461740
And yet, >>156460632
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>>156461761
So this thread is full of gutless, sensitive faggots who can't even own an opinion and have to ask some retarded furry about what he thinks about something?
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>>156461858
You support furry tripfaggotry? fucking disgraceful
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>>156461591
>Thinks ningens are a plague polluting the planet
>Wipes out their settlements first chance he gets

For fucks sake, don't tell me DB is too deep for you.
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>>156461500
>The potential of Goten himself in GT
Goten has no potential in any form.
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>>156457680
What bothers me about Goku is that the recent movies actually portrait him as he should be, unlike Super.
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>>156460974
better than anything in super tbqh famalam
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>>156461930
>>
>le ki absorbing androids would have been better meme
they're generic and boring as fuck

contrarian fucktards
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>>156461961
>I wonder when you'll be doxxed on kiwifarms
Holy shit, that would be glorious.
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>>156461943
Super dumbed down every character to nothing but their most primitive trait, and the decision to do so is unbelievably vexing and perplexing.
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>>156462001
Use this version
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>>156457680
FUCK OFF RETARD, HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THE ORIGINAL DRAGON BALL AT LEAST? OR DBZ FOR FUCK SAKE, GOKU WAS ALWAYS A BATTLE RETARD.

Have you not seen the battle against piccolo in the tenkaichi tournament? where he says a shitload of times that he wants to beat piccolo fair and square to prove that he is the strongest? or when he is considering to let every enemy live just because he might fight them again? holy shit motherfucking kill yourself right fucking now
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>>156459889
>"He's not popular because I don't like the character"

What kind of retarded logic is that?
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>>156461740
>>156462001
I love how triggered you ningen get whenever you see comments like that. It's cute.
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>>156462058
And that's exactly what bothers me. Didn't Toei do both? Aren't the writers the same? I don't understand why Goku differs so much from the movies. After all, there's a huge difference between the dumb Goku and the mentally retard Goku from Super.
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>>156462089
shut up turles
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>>156462074
>Have you not seen the battle against piccolo in the tenkaichi tournament?
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>>156462047
Tripfagging is stupud on its own, but using your own persona on it is even WORSE.

If people wanted to dox this dude hardcore, they could. Especially since he's admittedly autistic AND a furry. Id love to see his history.
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>>156462151
don't reply to bait. only retards think super's goku is the same old goku
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>>156462151
That's because he fucking considers it not a fight to the death, but a tournament fight, of course he is not going to let them die, he wouldn't do that in ANY situation, motherfucking kill yourself, way to ignore all the other parts of that fight too
>>156462204
Not my problem that you are retarded
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>>156462126
Some part of me believes that it was partially to do with the 9am Sunday morning slot. But even then that's a completely dumb and unfounded stretch of the imagination to assume they dumbed everything down just because of that.

Kamen Rider Ex-AID airs 1 hour prior and isn't dumbed down just because its main target market is children.
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>>156462223
>hurr durr kill urself faget

Those are some really nice arguments.
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>>156462089
i'm sorry that even your clapping is shitty animation mr evil goku no. 4
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>>156462269
You just ignored everything else, you just saw the insult, you fucking retard, do you have any example where Goku lets people die in Super when he is fighting?
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>>156462151

>>156458464

>Goku gets really fucking mad at Gero and tries to lead him out of the City.
Super Goku would probably just say that's not very nice or something.
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Did all the canadians get unbanned and start posting again?
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>>156462265
Didn't Dragon Ball always aired in the morning since the original to Kai?
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>>156462307
Yes, the currect arc is a perfect example.
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>>156446749
More like will Cockarot defeat Jiren the Gay
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>>156456908
>Either you're new here and have never read my own
This massive level of unwarranted self-importance is disgusting.
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>>156462358
No one has died yet.
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>>156462325
Wednesday evenings at 7PM on Fuji TV
Prime Time
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>>156462387
I wasn't even arguing exactly about that to begin with. I'm just saying that Goku's personality is very different from Z. Just go re-watch Buu saga, Goku was much more serious there.
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>>156462318
?
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>>156462362
>unwarranted
I would agree with you but he is seriously one of the only people who spends the time and effort to reply to everyone properly without calling them retarded in fact come to think about it he probably is the only person
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>>156462280
>>156462145
Oooh, scathing. Doesn't change the fact that you're as triggered as a landwhale hearing "two genders." You need validation. You can't stand hearing the show put in even the slightest positive light. It pains you on a deep, emotional level and you HAVE to reply to it.

Hook. Line. Sinker.
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>>156461869
DB threads are filled with cancer and plebs of the highest caliber.
I don't know what you expected.
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>>156462442
So? There's no real need for him to be as serious in Super. He was serious for Black since the world was actively at risk but you'd have to be an idiot to think that the universes are going to be erased at the end of this arc.
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>>156462358
The current arc? Where he caused the tournament because he didn't know that would happen? To be honest it's not like when Goku fought Majin Vegeta and that energy released Majin Buu right? and he knew that would happen
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>>156462473
I reply to everything because I'm shitposter supreme.
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>>156462454
How do you know that? Not everyone here calls everyone a faggot or a retard or whatever. It's just that these people are anonymous and the tripfag isn't. Don't be stupid.
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>>156462424
Why didn't Black use Kaioken? He watched Goku vs Hit on Godtube right?
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>>156462454
>i like him because he is nice with me on 4chan
You deserve to get raped and murdered you fucking thinskinned faggot
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>>156462508
I won't even bother anymore if you actually think he's exactly the same character as he used to be.
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>>156462509
Or wait, you just decided to remove that thing from your brain because it would ruin your narrative that
>super fucked my goddamn anime waaaaahhh

Fuck off, you don't know shit
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>>156462544
Probably also heard the 10% chance to kill yourself part that conveniently didn't happen back then.
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>>156461389
>>156461437
Older Goten and Trunks pulling there fusion shenanigans in space would have made GT slightly less terrible
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>>156462586
Also, this guy down here
>>156462508
>>156462387
Its not me, i was discussing with you, now fucking tell me why did you just ignore Majin Vegeta
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>>156462586
He acts pretty much the same as he did for most of DB and the parts of DBZ where he wasn't fighting for his life or the planet.
>b-but he's not because I LIKE being butthurt over nothing
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>>156462473
Shit shows should be shit upon. I don't need a reason. Just like Super doesn't
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>>156462509
He had no choice but to fight Vegeta. And they never thought Buu would be that strong, but that's what happens with every new villain.
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>>156462558
This. What the fuck are these ball-less faggots even doing here?
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>>156462516
>admitting to shitposting
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>>156462634
>why was Goku serious when Majin Vegeta requested a serious fight otherwise he would murder more innocent people
Gee, I fucking wonder.
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>>156462558
>someone was nice to me, I like nice people
that's a natural and logical reaction, stop acting like 4chan is a place where everyone is a dick because that's what all the cool super secret club kids do
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>>156462495
That's exactly what I expect from this thread actually. It's just funny to be proven right every time.
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>>156462681
being a shitposter is better than being a super shiteater
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>>156462668
Yes, he had other way
>he didn't know buu was strong
He didn't know the universes that lost would get deleted either, he is the same anon, you just want to shit on super
>>156462696
He had other ways to do it instead of fucking fighting him at his same level, we know Goku outclassed him by far, he just wanted to fight Vegeta at his full power, Don't be retarded
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>>156462634
I already did. >>156462668
I seriously don't get why people like you have to defend Super so much, especially after what they did to most characters.
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>>156462701
I don't care what the fuck you think, but i am a dick, and i think you are a fucking pussy, grow up

We are not your friends
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>>156462737
Of course he did but that wasn't the sole reason. I'm not saying Super Goku is any different than Z or DB Goku but there are cases where it makes sense for him to be serious. Innocent people being involved is one of them.
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>>156462737
>you just want to shit on super

I really can't defend a show that relies 90% on nostalgia and 10% on a shitty budget.
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>>156462516
>>156462653
You're a tool. You hide behind the claim you're shitposting because you don't want to admit how desperate you are to validate your opinion. How badly it hurts your feelings. You scour through these threads and post your garbage because you want to be "right."

You just keep doing it.

You'll keep doing it for years.

You'll keep doing it over and over and over, because you have to deny how insecure you really are.

How do I know? Because you haven't moved on.
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>>156462701
Coming to 4chan to only talk to one guy because he doesn't hurt your feefees is completely different. Why even come here then?
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>>156462778
I know, that is why in this arc on super he is doing his best to get the best team, and to prepare himself to beat the tournament, you can clearly see it in the episode where he fights krillin, He is still serious here
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>>156462799
Not the person you're replying to, but if there are people coming to 4chan, these threads in particular, just to talk to one person, that is, assuming they are only talking to that one person, then that is an impressive feat by that one person. By any chance are you jealous?
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>>156462830
He's not as serious, though. And that's mainly because Goku and his team will win in the end or he'll tell whoever does win to use the wish to not have the universes erased or just sweet talk Zeno again into not doing it. It's pretty obvious.
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>>156462830
>Best team
>Krillin
>Roshi
>Tenshinhan

That's why people don't take Super seriously.
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>>156462721
>if i shitpost it makes me better
You're as pathetic as the series defenders.

I bet you unironically think CGI Berserk is better than Super.
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>>156462681
>avatarfagging
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>>156462875
Because although the stakes are high, he also wants to fight strong people, he did that with Piccolo, he did that with Frieza, he does it all the time
>>156462893
>A guy known as the God of martial arts
>A superhuman with a third eye who has enough potential to achieve godly power
>Goku's friend who used to compete with him and created one of the most deadly techniques in dragon ball

They are good choices you fucking sperglord
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>>156462940
>Shitposting
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>>156462960
One of these is a bannable offense, I'd like you to guess which
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>>156462958
Yeah, but there's no real risk to him because he's confident that he can wiggle out of having the universes erased.
He was a lot let serious with Piccolo than Vegeta or Frieza because he was confident that he was stronger than Piccolo. It's one of the few cases of Goku being genuinely cocky towards someone he'd never fought before.
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>>156462893
What the fuck are you talking about? Krillin is probably the strongest among those 3 and pic related is what would fucking happen against any current enemy if Super actually had some logic behind it.
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>>156462872
>then that is an impressive feat by that one person
Not if said person is an obnoxious tripfag. Maybe you should figure out what the fuck we are talking about first.
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>>156463006
Yes, but it happened, he is confident here too, my point is, he is still the same Goku, he never changed
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>>156463002
Shitposting is also a bannable offense, Also he's not avatarfagging, the rose gif was mine. You've got two to tango with
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>>156463057
I'm not disagreeing with you, dumbass. Calm yourself.
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>>156463018
>Krillin isn't dead
So this is the power... of holding back.
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>>156463075
I didn't even insulted you in that last post, are you high man?
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If I've seen Battle of Gods and Revival F, am I missing anything by skipping those Super episodes?
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>>156463018
Fuck, I meant to quote >>156462958
But then again, this is what Krillin should be able to do right now, and that is nothing at all against god-level opponents.
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>>156462798
Yeah sure black man. I offer you the light of superiority but you wallow in your dark mediocrity. That's why you end up as a slimy purple half of a man. There's off-model and there's literally melting from shit animation, what a sad state of conclusion.
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>>156463097
No, you're just out of control, paco.
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>>156463038
>tripfag who seems to enjoy replying to people who also seem to enjoy his presence
>whiny faggots who derail thread complaining about his presence
Yes, I do believe I clearly see which side is the obnoxious one here, thank you for opening my eyes
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>>156463099
>am I missing anything by skipping those Super episodes?
Only shit animation
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>>156463099
Yes, you're missing very bad episodes.
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>>156463099
Vegeta Family Vacation, Super Satan defeats Beebus.

Super RoF has Ginyu coming back but it's shit because Ginyu doesn't fight Saiyaman.
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>>156463059
just like Black and Zamasu!
my chinese cartoons have come to life!
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>>156463002
>newfag doesn't know about Blackposting
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>>156463127
No, i don't need to be put down
>>156463111
>A tournament where you fight along your team
Did you even watch these episodes? he has really useful things that can help while someone with actual power can push them from the ring, don't be a fucking power level retard that goes
>WHAT THE FUCK HE IS WORTHLESS DIE RIGHT NOW WAAAAAAHHHH
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>>156463147
>Vegeta Family Vacation, Super Satan defeats Beebus.

Are those their own episodes. I've seen some filler episodes with a friend and thought they were legit funny.
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>>156463099
Some stuff happens which makes some movie stuff non-canon. Watch them to avoid being confused or read up on the differences.
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A-are the Ningen dead yet?

B-black told me to hide and i haven't heard from him for a while
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>>156463139
>tripfag and avatarfag who has been constantly.infesting threads with his stupid fanfictions, furry fanarts and blogposting for months now
>not obnoxious
If you clearly don't know what the fuck you are talking about, then it's time to know your place and shut up.
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>>156463184
Krillin is only good against human opponents, he isn't even a match for Piccolo, just watch the Bojack movie for example.
Who fucking cares if there's a ringout and it's a team tournament, anyone above SSJ Goku could kill him so fast he wouldn't even notice it.
But hey, who the fuck am I to make those claims. If Toei makes him fight SSB Goku, that must mean Krillin is on par with gods now, amirite?
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>>156463264
Hello there Zamasu
I've been protecting the ningen
Black's fine
He became British
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>>156463306
>bojack movie
>canon

If they kill him, they get disqualified and they might even get deleted, and his Taiyoken x100 can blind someone long enough for someone stronger to get them out
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>>156463358
>Taiyoken x100
God this move is so dumb, hope it's not in the manga.
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>>156463116
>I offer you the light of superiority
That's adorable, Donny.
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>>156463099
Nope. The retellings are absolute trash.
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>>156463289
pssst I actually enjoy his works of fiction, art and posts, what in these threads do you enjoy?
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>>156463198
Yes, they are some of the filler eps. Vegeta Family Vacation is before BoG arc, Super Satan defeats Beebus is after it.
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>>156463315
Y-you are protecting them so Black can kill them later... right?
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>>156463358
They can throw him off the ring the same way they can kill him.
And who fucking cares about blinding an opponent anymore? Everyone that matters right now should be able to fight just by detecting Ki, the last guy that fell for that was Freeza (or Cell if you want to count filler). Unless they use the same shitty as for Gohan and they can't detect enemies' Ki because of some magical secret.
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>>156463099
Not really. Read up later on the differences, no need to bother watching those.

>>156463198
Yes. Episode 2, episode 15.
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>>156453644
His special was the best one outside of the trunks one.
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>>156463371
What's dumb about it? is the Mega Kamehameha dumb?
>>156463439
Hey, do you remember when the Saiyans and the entire frieza army and himself relied on scouters to detect power levels? Yeah me neither, i guess my memory is bad you know? almost as bad as your brain
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>>156463096
A weak kick is much different than Krillin standing up to a Blue God Ki Kamehameha. That kick broke Krillin's neck and every bone in his body too.
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>tfw you miss zamasu so much
>tfw there will never be another arc in dbs like goku black arc
why even bother living
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>>156463546
>tfw there will never be another arc in dbs like goku black arc
Good that arc was trash.
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>>156463116
>I give you superiority but you're mediocre
>And you become ugly, SAD
You're never gonna get that wall built if you're too busy shitposting on 4chan, Mr. President. Then again you never were in the first place.
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>>156463571
wtf i love super now
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>>156463436
Oh if by kill you mean enjoying a spot of tea and crumpets then sure

Pip pip

Cheerio
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>>156463508
>Saiyans and the entire frieza army and himself relied on scouters to detect power levels

And now tell me how many hundreds of episodes ago that was. Did Perfect Cell or Buu have those problems? I don't think so.
You're as retard as Toei's writers if you're defending a character that should be useless fight-wise at this point. And if you're gonna talk about Taiyoken again, just have the entire team carry fucking flash grenades instead.
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>>156463562
It was anything but trash you pleb.Zamasu's voice acting is S tier and no other villain will ever top it.
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>>156463619
If fucking Cabba didn't know how to transform into a Super Saiyan, then its pretty damn possible that some fighters don't know about sensing ki you fucking sperg
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>>156463608
WHAT? But Black said he would exterminate all the Ningen, something is wrong here, what are you going to do to me?
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>>156463717
I give up, if you're that convinced human characters at this point at a good choice so be it. But it's still an insult they chose those over Goten and Trunks.
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>>156463815
It was proved that Goten and Trunks are really hot-headed and they still had a lot to learn multiple times, battle experience is something really important, and the three humans that are participating have a long history of combat
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So is King Kai like...Done? I know Japan has a thing about VAs and retiring their characters if they get too old or something. Is that what happened?
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>>156463797
Is this what ERP feels like /a/? Because I'm starting to feel disgusted.
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>>156463797
Watch Dr Who with you on the British Broadcasting Channel.

I heard you like Time Travel.
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>>156463865
No, i was trying to make a joke but i see it devolved into RP faggotry, i will cease at once
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>>156463849
Sure, because putting the fate of the planet on them didn't happen at all when Goku teached them fusion. Who cares about experience, Goku defeated Piccolo Daimao as a kid and both of them are fucking Super Saiyans.
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I don't understand how Gohan got development in dbz but trunks and goten did not. Trunks was a super saiyan at a younger age in the present and future but they rather put present Trunks to the side because of..krillin and master roshi?
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Does anyone have the most current version of the power levels image? It uses manga art, starts at DragonBall and goes all the way to Super Saiyan Rose. I don't think I'd seen one updated with Merged Zamasu or Vegito Blue but if that exists, I'd appreciate it.
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>>156463865
Yeah, it was getting too naughty for my standards by the time they brought out the scones. Beyond salvation by the time they sat down to watch a British Sci-Fi series. Fucking disgusting.

This is Super Saiyan Rosay Goku Blagh.
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>>156463971
toeishills will always defend that
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>>156463852
>retiring their characters if they get too old or something
Why haven't they retired Goku's throat cancer Grandma VA yet then?
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>>156463911
Because Goku had already participated in two tournaments and he spent all his life training, not only Goten and Trunks have grown up in some really peaceful times, but they really skip training a lot, or they are not allowed to train by their mothers, either way the Buu case was special, the earth depended on it and they were the only choice they had, here they need a more tactical choice, they don't need full raw power
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>>156463971
Because Gohan was going to be the next MC before Toriyama went "yea nah fuck that lol".

Kid Trunks is getting more development in Super though. Goten is just a lost cause, just forget that he exists.
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>>156456813
I'm a poor sighted slowpoke idiot that always wondered what was even that bad about Liquir's here until I actually decided to pay closer attention to the details.

Still not as bad as the fish.
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>>156463971
>but they rather put present Trunks to the side
Present Trunks will have his time anon.
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>>156464029
But let's just forget that they're million times stronger than Roshi, right? I can understand who's fighting merely because of fanservice, not by logic.
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>>156464210
As i said before, they don't need raw power, they need strategy, and Roshi knows a shitload of weird powers that can be really helpful in a battle, like the Mafuba, and that one he used on Goku in the Tenkaichi Budokai finals
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>>156463852
King Kai's VA was very ill, so they reluctantly retired him.
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>>156464302
I miss King Kai
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>>156464281
Why not bring King Champa, Ranfan or Chichi too then? Or maybe Yajirobe, Chaozu and Yamcha also? Even Videl or Mr. Satan could participate!
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So it is stone that SSJ Blue Vegito was superior to Zamasu. Is he close to being on the same level as Gods of destructions?
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>>156463998
This
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>>156464124
>that fucking hair
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>>156464548
Very likely. Vegetto has always been stronger than the currect villain.
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>>156451754
You really look for any excuse to tell that story huh?
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>>156464528
>Chappa-O
He has no useful technique
>Ranfan
Same, she is just a martial artist who uses slutish behaviour to distract fighters, that won't work on the universe tournament
>Chichi
Too weak, stopped training long ago, not a single useful ability
>Yajirobe
A bit more powerful but no weapons allowed, he falls short
>Chaozu
He has a chance, with his telekinesis he can do some pretty good things, if he has kept his training i might even replace Krillin with him
>Yamcha
Everyone in the team is simply better than him, he doesn't has a spot
>Videl or Mr,Satan
This is just pathetic mane, they don't have the strength or the techniques
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>>156464548
tfw to smart too last an hour of fusion
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>>156464124
>fuse with yourself
I've seen enough scifi movies to know that's a bad idea
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>>156464659
By your logic, Guldo could end the tournament in minutes. Probably the same Hit could just ring out everyone using his time skip.
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>>156463527
>comparing a regular TV episode flashback to a TV special
come on.
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>>156464742
Hit is pretty powerful, but some fighters will not get thrown outside the ring because they have enough speed to counter the time skip.

Guldo can actually stop time, and freeze some enemies, if he was still alive he would be good enough to be in the team
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>>156453960
It really is.

Especially since the random vocals are a scouter counting up powerlevels.

The last power level is 530,000 -- Frieza's
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>>156464808
>Guldo can actually stop time
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>>156464839
>ignoring that Goku managed to break the time skip with his amazing speed using Kaioken

Maybe Guldo has the same limit, i can't know because he is dead, but it is possible
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>>156464822
The last one was actually 2nd form Freeza saying he was above 1 million.
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>>156453644
>>156453960

I love this late 80s sci-fi vibe so fucking much.
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>>156464866
He could stop time as long as he could hold his breath. Also had that paralysing move as a last resort.
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>>156460377
>trunks hair
>blue
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>>156464898
Those two are really useful my , last resort or not they are really useful
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>>156464872
he didn't say he was above, only 1 million
>second form 1 mil
>third form 1.2 mil
>final 1% 1.5-2 mil
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>>156465045
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>>156465045
>second form 1 mil
>third form 1.2 mil
>final 1% 1.5-2 mil

Where did you get those numbers? Those are pretty off comparing most lists.
I'm no power level fag, but 3rd probably doubled his power, and when he transformed for the last time he was probably a few millions above Vegeta.
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Why did Goku go SSB against Krillin if apparently he held back to the point where he was weaker than his base self?
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>>156465264
Welcome to Dragon Ball Super.
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>>156460632
green dick is better than purple dick
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>>156464659
Yamcha could replace Roshi
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>>156465250
>double his power
Those numbers make more sense than Goku jumping to 4 million to fight Frieza from one Zenkai, and that's what I believe since no canon numbers after the one million exist.
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>>156465422
I believe the invisible man Yamcha fought should be a member. No one would be able to see him!
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>>156465422
>Yamcha
Yamucha

>Roshi
Kame Sen'nin
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You're allowed to retcon one thing in Dragonball and what is your choice? For me I'd retcon that the SSJ transformation on Namek Goku did wasn't THE super saiyan transormation Vegeta mentioned before he died.
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>>156465449
How does a 1.2m beating Piccolo like that makes sense?
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>>156465465
Goku being born.
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>>156465456
>Kame Sennin
*Turtle Hermit
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>>156465465
Retcon SSJ itself as a form that can only be unlocked under extreme circumstances (user has to be a high level of strength, have exhausted all prior energy and reach intense emotional stress to transform).

There, I just fixed Dragon Ball by stopping it from becoming the laser spam fest that it would later become after Namek.
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>>156465504
How does it not?
Vegeta killed Cui effortless by only having a power level 6,000 points higher.
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>>156465465

SSJ3 isn't actually SSJ3, it's an imperfect form in the vein of SSJ Grades 2 and 3. The real SSJ3 is the design Toriyama rejected that didn't come with a massive mullet and would ideally be a well-integrated part of the story rather than the retarded irrelevance it was in the Boo arc.
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>>156465548

If I was to add anything to SSJ I would also state that a person could only use that form once and only once.

Also what if the final villains in Dragonball are the Gods who originally got pissed at humanity for over exerting the balls and cheating death constantly? Shadow Dragons I guess you could say are them but I'd like a similar idea brought into the series.
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>>156465548

Vegeta just being handed SSJ offscreen a mere forty chapters after Goku's awesome ascension is the moment where Dragon Ball jumped the shark for me.

It was only redeemed (slightly) by Goten and Trunks making a joke out of the whole concept, which of course pissed off the Ameritards to no end.
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>>156465626
aren't those just some different sketches for SSJ3?
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>>156464898
>He could stop time as long as he could hold his breath
Non canon. In the manga he had no restriction, it just cost ki
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>>156465548
I wish super never happened
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>>156465626
Not only was it imperfect, as in Goku and Gotenks couldn't keep it up for a long time; but it was also never relevant after Buu Saga.
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>>156446749
I don't know about all that, but Vegeta is undefeated against Goku.
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>>156465577

That's not how it works though. It always came down to the relative difference in power levels, not the absolute. Vegeta killed Kiwi with ease because he was 33% stronger than Kiwi.
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>>156465673
>Vegeta
>not Trunks
Seriously, Trunks's initial appearance is straight up OC tier, and he's written like an original character at that.
>Freeza comes back, BORG'D at that
>suddenly some teenager with a fucking sword shoes up acting like he's hot shit dices up some of Freeza'a small fry men
>lmao I can go Super Saiyan too
>does a bunch of dumb as hell hand motions and slices up Borg Freeza
>later reveals he's Vegeta and Bulma's som (two characters who had absolutely nothing bringing them together, and Bulma was tied to Yamcha at that) from the future where everyone got rekt by the Borg, except Goku who died of space aids
Seriously, I have to think that after Namek arc finished, Toriyama stole some Japanese's middle schooler fanfiction they sent in the mail to his work department to have come up with this direction after the arc.
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>>156465741
Transforming fully restored Freeza's ki and Piccolo was still tired from fighting his second form though.
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>>156465715
You sir, are correct.
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>>156465819
How much PL did 100% Freeza have, according to you?
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>>156465696

They're two concept sketches he did.

The one on the right is close to the final design but it doesn't have the spike of hair over his face and he's grown a tail.
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>>156465858
It's impossible to tell IMO, I don't think anyone should try to put numbers on Super Saiyan of 100% Freeza>>156458322
I'm just trying to rationalize Goku's zenkai bringing him to Freeza's level.
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>>156461779
It was way funnier when someone implied that Black is Goten.
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>>156465898
*Super Saiyan or 100% Freeza
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>>156465787

I'm more accepting of Trunks because even though he's pretty fan fiction-y at least there was an attempt at an actual story.

Vegeta just showing up and being like "I'm a SSJ too" was the nail in the coffin.
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>>156465906
I remember shitposting that Black was actually Future Goten on /v/
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>>156465898
Zenkai's stopped making sense after Vegeta's nap.
He defeated Jeice who could read his PL, and after his nap he broke Freeza's scouter because of his PL. Was Vegeta hiding his true power while fighting Jeice? I don't think so, but if he was that would mean he would already be higher than Kaioken Goku who was 180k.
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>>156465787
>later reveals he's Vegeta and Bulma's som two characters who had absolutely nothing bringing them together
>had absolutely nothing bringing them together

Vegeta and Bulma lived together and Vegeta even respected Bulma's parents. He had Dr.Briefs build him the gravity machine and training equipment.
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>>156458442
He can't even love others.
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>>156466113
Which was all quickly established around the time of Trunks's appearance, they had nothing putting them together (which you missed where it said Bulma was tied to Yamcha) beforehand.
Try to remember the context.
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>>156466085
Vegeta had learned to suppress his power by the time he fought Jeese, so the scouter was wrong.
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>>156459072
>ywn have Bulma sit on your face
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>>156466222
Vegeta can have it whenever.
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>>156465717
I agree, it GT 2.0
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>>156465673
>I don't like it that one of the strongest saiyans that ever lived who was pure evil could become SS, something that requires the user to be pure.
>BUT TWO TODDLERS GOING SS FOR NO REASON IS GREAT LOL FUCK AMERICANS BTW

Why are yuropoors always so buttdevastated?
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>>156467622
>I don't like it that one of the strongest saiyans that ever lived who was pure evil could become SS, something that requires the user to be pure.

It's not that there is a logical in-universe reason for him to not be able to do it that was contradicted, it's that there was zero build-up to it in the story itself and was completely unearned. Goku's transformation was the culmination of a storyline that arguably started with chapter 195, two and a half years before his transformation. Vegeta just shows up and he's magically a Super Saiyan too. It's horrible writing.

>BUT TWO TODDLERS GOING SS FOR NO REASON IS GREAT LOL FUCK AMERICANS BTW

It is, because it's Toriyama spoofing the serious action sci-fi story Dragon Ball was derailed into with the Cell arc - the arc that is widely considered to be the best among American fans because it's the most "badass." The Boo arc was much needed course correction and a big part of that was making a joke out of what had been so ridiculous in the previous arc.
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In not caught up with Super. Did they get rid of 17 already?
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Offcial U7 contestants ranking:
1. Kakarotto
2. Lapis
3. Buu
4. Kuririn
5. Lazuli
6 Prince Vegeta
7. KamiNailiccolo
8. Kame sennin sama
9. Tien Shinhan
10. Gohan
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>>156467862
>widely considered to be the best among American fans

More like widely considered to be the best among Z fans in general.

Buu saga was just a lazy copypaste of Cell Saga plot and characters, just with different appearances and names.
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>>156468202
>More like widely considered to be the best among Z fans in general.

In Japan it's widely considered to be the worst arc of Z.
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