Why can't we have tunes like these for Super?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5vmowaYCdk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4sh_NjNoJc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qnGfycMjMM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYNh7wurX6I
Best angel
>>155830181
I don't see Marcarita there.
>>155830102
Best attack Trunks ever came up with
>>155830193
U10>Vados>Marcarita
>>155829741
We need Mr DB back
>>155830287
What ever happened to him?
>>155828121
Nah, this one is the definitive version.
>>155829741
I post every bait so you don't have to
>>155831105
That one's shit
You know OP I think this might be a good opportunity to ask.
If you worthless ningen were given the golden opportunity, who would you choose as Super's new (and permanent) music composer?
>>155831105
WAIT! This needs some logos on it, so it looks more oficial. There.
>>155831336
>looks more oficial
You forgot about the more important logo. Now it's done.
>>155831105
Put a line going from SSJ to SSB signifying you need both it and SSGod to attain SSB and that's right.
>>155831471
you can't go from ssj to blue
>>155831550
And technically, in the anime, you can't go from God to Blue, since God stopped being a thing after BoG, and Goku got Blue during RoF.
Vegeta also skipped it entirely.
Blue is SSJ+God Ki which, in Goku's case, is attained via God
>>155831599
because god is a one time deal in the anime
after that god is blue
>>155831656
>after that god is blue
God isn't blue, though. God's a separate form attained via ritual; Blue's the mastery of God Ki used with the SSJ transformation.
SSJ is more important to Blue than God is
>>155831806
>Blue's the mastery of God Ki
just wait until tori pulls a new form out of his ass
ssb2/3 is inevitable because super is very profitable and in no way is going to end very soon
>>155831913
>implying next form isn't brighter red hair with a SSJ hairstyle or Kaioken Infinity
>>155831940
the openings are very inaccurate when it comes to how the arc going to happen
in the u6 tourney OP you have hit shooting out lasers and cabba shooting some ki out of his legs
then we have the zamasu arc OP where it appears that zamasu gets killed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMBAu-nUzcc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzRf41NO3Qg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oClQy9Wj-uI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMsYmjmga_g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVtaUL7pnes
Subfags BTFO
Full-Power SSJ > God > SSJ/SSJBlue > Muscular Variants of SSJ > SSJ3 > SSJ2
Reminder that perfectly controlled white-yellow hair SSJ Goku post-Frieza is the GOAT look for Goku
>>155832496
namek ssj hair>every other version
>>155832496
>>155832543
>>155832558
Is EoZ out of canon viability yet or is it still lingering like a shitty specter in the distance?
>>155832641
>Great saiyaman dead last
>Super Columbine 2 at the top
As expected from a Gohanfag
>>155832543
>>155831520
>Blue is what if a Super Saiyan God became Super Saiyan
>4 is what if a Great Ape became Super Saiyan and keep a calm mind
>>155832685
t. cell posting from hell
>>155832685
He's already retarded for using the brain meme anyway.
>>155832766
>>155832685
Samefag.
>>155832738
it actually looked like hair unlike the other versions that look like some static wigs
>>155832806
t. American projecting as Gohan
>Vegito and Rose banners drop in a couple of days
Fuck I'm not ready I only have 170 stones
>>155832830
They'll be around for a bit, dw
>>155832808
How come they stopped using the lighter palette in favor of the mustard hair
>>155832821
Wrong, try again.
>>155832903
You probably hate the Ginyu Force and the Pride Troopers. Fuck off.
>>155832830
Which one should I pull on? I have a lot more Hero units but Rose would be sexy on my mono AGL. The only notable villains I have are Broly, Janemba and Golden Frieza
>>155832903
t. Mexican projecting as Gohan
Better?
>>155832940
1. Wrong
2. True
>>155832806
Been seeing a lot of these "samefag" accusations recently in DBS threads. Are you that dubfag who gets easily tiggered by subfag b8?
>>155833086
0/10
>>155833136
>Everyone that disagrees with me must be the same person
As expected from a retarded Gohanfag
@155833136
>rating b8 as usual
So that's a definite yes
Keep giving that subfag shitposter your "japlover.jpg" and fish pics
>>155832605
Swap BadMan pulllup vegeta with go ham namek vegeta and we good senpai
>>155831175
God, this is the saddest board on 4chan, isn't it?
>>155832605
Guerilla warfare Namekgeta truly was GOAT
>>155833086
Fixed
>>155831550
I always forget this: on the anime, how did Vegeta got blue without the ritual again? He just trained with Whis and, bam, full god ki-mastery? But why wouldn't he be able to become red - isn't blue just red + yellow? If he can get blue, shouldn't him be able to become red too?
>>155833889
Isn't it the same in the manga?
>>155833889
>>155833966
In the anime, God was a temporary form attained via ritual that granted Goku access to Godly Ki. With refinement and mastery through angel-training, he was able to couple that GK with SSJ and become Blue.
Vegeta never under-went the ritual and effectively grasped and mastered GK from scratch, and did the same thing by coupling it with SSJ.
In the manga, it's the same for Goku, but SSJGod stays as a form past standard SSJs but prior to Blue. Vegeta gains access to it without the ritual because lollazywritingandfanservice.
Shame you'll never get to tap West's ass.
>>155833636
nah its just dragon ball super threads
>>155832830
No one is ready. I have 70, but I'll whale the fuck out of this banner.
>>155832991
Janemba, Broly, Golden Frieza and Rose already make a good team, you surely have some fillers. And you could get other villains by pulling on Rosé banner. However, I think there will be better featured cards at the SSBV...
I'd like to have a Villains team just because it's much sexier, but the unit I'd like to pick the most is Emo Angst Zamasu. It would be insane if I got him and Rosé, but, if I was to pick one, I'd take the dumber decision.
Do we know anything about the release date of OP2 yet?
>>155834022
I think that this could be well written, if it showed how Vegeta had to master the SSJ forms in another direction, instead of going ssj3
>>155834139
not yet
have this for compensation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCbeITNxkDY
>>155831806
>super saiyajin god super saiyajin
>called ssj blue for short
>not god mode
O rly?
>>155830303
He is in a band and did OPM opening
>>155834699
>db super opening and endings look 10/10
no they really don't. At least compared to the show itself. Kai on the other hand...
>>155832496
>Reminder that perfectly controlled white-yellow hair SSJ Goku post-Frieza is the GOAT look for Goku
You sir, have a great taste.
>>155834328
What about the release of the DLC3 pack?
>>155834892
those characters look so gt. I bet toyotaro made designed them
>>155834875
no trailer, yet
I would rather wait for VJump for more information regarding DLC3
>>155834935
>>155835157
Toyotaro quite literally copied a GT character for a GoD design.
>>155834644
>>155834699
>>155834730
>>155835205
kek
>>155834031
she does not have one, its flat as hell
>>155832210
how is that btfo?
>>155834575
Yeah, God's different to Blue. Both have the power of gods but only one is actually God.
Leaks when?
How many times Universal is Goku rn?
>>155830102
Did that one happen? I don't remember it? Did they censor it or something?
best villain walk into the ring
>>155836215
>gets OHK by a tongue
blue a shit
>>155834935
The fat alien looks similar to the one Hit killed.
>>155829741
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeN7dB_pe-M
this tune is pretty great
>>155836576
>being killed by jobberhan
>not a con
get this shit out of here
>>155836629
>Killed by Super Columbine 2
>not two flaws
>>155829741
Because the guy who was behind the music direction/arrangements and these image songs from the Hit Song Collection CDs, Kenji Yamamoto, was accused of plagiarizing music, remember? They even removed his stuff for the new releases of the series and video games.
Kinda stupid IMO, the so-called "ripoffs" are very far-fetched, and they are only a handful of songs, compared to the hundreds he's made.
>>155836576
>Falconer
Once again FAULCONER fans spell it wrong.
How come in this religion, not spelling god's name right is okay and common?
>>155836576
>Bruce Falconer theme
Ugh
>>155829741
Because you can't expect good things from ningens
Will it be shit?
How many girls has Gohan impregnated in high school?
>>155836576
I don't see how anyone could think the final beam clash with Cell was anything short of fantastic. The android/cell arc had a lot of problems, but that ending was not one of them. Cell coming back and immediately killing Trunks, bitch slapping an enraged Vegeta around like nothing, and crippling Gohan set the stage perfectly.
The actual beam clash was great because the whole cast jumped in and tried to help, with only Vegeta, once he got his shit together, making the difference. It was one of the few moments where we got a glimpse of Vegeta past his arrogant exterior.
It was also the last time Vegeta had a fucking mental breakdown because he was weak. Both times in the Buu Saga he went the extra mile despite recognizing his own lack of power. He's the only person in the series with any sort of character progression at this point.
>>155837173
Who's making it? Young Jiji?
worst villain walking through
>>155837486
>worst
Higashide is not human. He works on every episode, and despite this, he's so consistent.
All of these episodes aren't perfect, but at least they don't reach RoF arc level. They're well animated. In episode 81, if I'm not wrong, in that scene Kitano was corrected by Ide (luckily).
>>155831520
>>155837593
Is this the new hot meme that's going to get reposted every thread for 5 months?
>>155837376
Yep. Another "what if Future Gohan survived and had to fight Goku Black?" story
>>155837664
No, I just removed the GT shit from it.
>>155837710
Okay, but what if Babidi tried to revive Buu when he was chronologically supposed to?
>>155837847
This was covered in Super.
F.Trunks kills Dabura and Babidi while SSJ2 hard, and prevents it happening.
Try watching the show we're discussing, idiot.
>>155837786
ur not that bad
>>155837847
The Androids with their infinite energy would have been perfect for reviving Buu. But since they can't be sensed, Babidi passed on Earth since the population was small. He only visited Earth much later after adult Trunks had killed Cell and the androids, and humanity began to repopulate.
>>155837786
whiteboi
>>155837900
By which time F. Trunks was a grown adult.
>>155829741
Reminder that Son Goku was dead in all the other timelines, especially the adult time traveling Trunks timeline.... and thus could not be around to piss Zamas off enough to want to steal his body, leaving a huge hole in the causality loop that started the Black Saga.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn7rIarpQBk
>>155837960
A WHITE BOY? I'M A NIGGA FUCKA DA FUCK YOU TALKIN BOUT? YOU GOT MY DICK HARD MEET ME SUMWERE
>>155837968
t. zamasu
>>155836534
SSJ2 is x100 and SSJ3 is x400
God is unknown but is more powerful than Super Vegito which massively surpassed SSJ3 without the SSJ multiplier, so it's bare minimum more than 50x what SSJ3 is
>>155838012
BALLS DEEP HOMIE
>>155838077
and according to the manga, SSB is x10 SSG
>>155838077
I thought Vegito was the most powerful character in Dragon Ball history.
>>155838105
>>155838077
Where did you get those numbers?
>>155836576
>Frieza
>cons
>Two very ugly transformations
Those ugly transformations were meant to built up to Frieza's glorious final form. They were gradually more monstrous as a means of making him more intimidating for not needing to be burly and brutish, just dominantly powerful.
>>155838112
Most powerful character in DBZ
>>155838145
I think it's in Daizenshuu 7. It says SSJ2 is 2x the multiplier of SSJ and SSJ3 is 4x of that.
>>155838112
Gohan is the strongest non-fused character in DBZ.
SSJ3 Goku is about 60 billion points behind.
>>155836183
it was from a movie
Post yfw Hit beats Jiren AND Goku AND Jobgeta ALL by KNOCKOUT
>>155838253
I WANT BIGGER NUMBERS MOM ! GIVE ME BIG NUMBERS ! I WANT BIG BIG NUMBERS BECAUSE I'M A BIG BOY !
>>155838327
>>155838333
>Saiyan saga
Vegeta (Great Ape): 100,000
Goku (Kaioken x3): 24,000
Vegeta: 18,000
Goku (Kaioken): 16,000
Gohan (Great Ape): 13,200
Goku (after training): 8,000
Nappa: 6,000
Piccolo (after training): 3,500
King Kai: 3,500
King Yemma: 2,000
Tien (after training): 1,830
Krillin (after training): 1,770
Raditz: 1,500
Yamcha (after training): 1,480
Gohan (after training): 1,320
Saibamen: 1,200
Yajirobe (after training): 970
Chiaotzu (after training): 610
>end of DB / start of Z
Goku: 416
Piccolo: 408
Kami: 320
Mr. Popo: 300
Tien: 250
Krillin: 206
Korin: 190
Master Roshi (buffed): 180
Yamcha: 177
Yajirobe: 168
Chiaotzu: 152
Master Roshi: 139
Chi-Chi: 130
Farmer with shotgun: 5
>Namek saga
SSJ Goku: 150,000,000
Frieza (Final Form 100%): 120,000,000
Goku (Kaioken x20): 60,000,000
Frieza (Final Form 50%): 60,000,000
Goku (Kaioken x10): 30,000,000
Frieza (Final Form): 3,000,000
Goku (Zenkai boost): 3,000,000
Vegeta (Zenkai boost #3): 2,400,000
Frieza (3rd form): 2,120,000
Piccolo (fused w/ Nail): 1,260,000
Frieza (2nd form): 1,060,000
Gohan (enraged): 1,000,000
Frieza: 530,000
Goku (Kaioken): 180,000
Captain Ginyu: 120,000
Gohan (Zenkai boost #2): 100,000
Goku: 90,000
Vegeta (Zenkai boost #2): 60,000
Recoome: 46,000
Jeice: 44,000
Burter: 42,000
Nail: 42,000
Vegeta (Zenkai boost): 30,000
Zarbon (Transformed): 28,000
Gohan (Zenkai boost): 25,000
Vegeta: 24,000
Zarbon: 23,000
Ginyu (in Goku's body): 23,000
Dodoria: 22,000
Cui: 18,000
Gohan (Potential unlocked): 14,000
Krillin (Potential unlocked): 13,000 (tops at 75,000 vs Frieza)
Guldo: 10,000
Namekian warriors: 3,000
Krillin: 1,800
Gohan: 1,500
Frieza's soldiers: 1,400
Namekians: 1,000
>>155838253
Technically speaking BoG still counts as DBZ and so RoF. Making Goku the most powerful non-god character.
But in the Buu Saga, Gohan was indeed the strongest fighter.
>>155838253
That is correct.
>Android saga
SSJ2 Gohan: 7,500,000,000
Super Perfect Cell: 7,500,000,000
Perfect Cell (powered up): 4,500,000,000
MSSJ Gohan (enraged): 3,750,000,000
Perfect Cell: 2,600,000,000
MSSJ Goku: 2,500,000,000
Cell Juniors: 2,000,000,000
USSJ Vegeta: 1,800,000,000
USSJ Trunks: 1,700,000,000
Semi-Perfect Cell: 860,000,000
Android #16: 500,000,000
Piccolo (fused w/ Kami): 360,000,000
Android #17: 360,000,000
Android #18: 350,000,000
Imperfect Cell: 320,000,000
SSJ Vegeta: 280,000,000
SSJ Goku: 270,000,000
SSJ Trunks: 255,000,000
Piccolo (without weights): 180,000,000
Mecha Frieza: 150,000,000
King Cold: 120,000,000
Dr. Gero: 100,000,000
Android #19: 70,000,000
Vegeta (after 3 years): 5,600,000
Goku (after 3 years): 5,400,000
Piccolo (after 3 years): 5,000,000
Gohan (after 3 years): 3,000,000
Krillin (after 3 years): 150,000
Tien (after 3 years): 120,000
Yamcha (after 3 years): 100,000
Goku: 3,600,000
Trunks: 3,400,000
Vegeta: 2,800,000
Piccolo: 1,800,000
Gohan: 250,000
Krillin: 75,000
Tien: 60,000
Yamcha: 50,000
Chiaotzu: 13,000
Hercule: 10
*USSJ = Ultra Super Saiyan
*MSSJ = Mastered Super Saiyan
>>155838425
Goku's powerlevel was more than 8000 make it 8200~ and it's good anon, Nappa could top 7000 maybe. Raditz was 1200. I feel 180 low for Roshi if he goes all out. Rest makes sense
>Buu saga
Super Vegito: 400,000,000,000
Super Buu (Gohan absorbed): 200,000,000,000
Super Buu (Gotenks absorbed): 120,000,000,000
Mystic Gohan: 90,000,000,000
SSJ3 Gotenks: 44,000,000,000
Super Buu (Piccolo absorbed): 42,000,000,000
Super Buu: 40,000,000,000
SSJ3 Goku: 30,000,000,000
Kid Buu: 30,000,000,000
Majin Buu: 25,000,000,000
Vegito: 8,000,000,000
SSJ2 Vegeta: 8,000,000,000
SSJ2 Goku: 8,000,000,000
SSJ2 Gohan: 5,700,000,000
Kibito Kai: 5,600,000,000
SSJ Gotenks: 5,500,000,000
SSJ Goku: 4,000,000,000
SSJ Vegeta: 4,000,000,000
SSJ Gohan: 2,850,000,000
Dabura: 2,800,000,000
Supreme Kai: 2,300,000,000
Piccolo: 1,200,000,000
Yakon: 640,000,000
SSJ Kid Trunks: 525,000,000
SSJ Goten: 500,000,000
Gotenks: 110,000,000
Gohan (Z Sword): 90,000,000
Goku: 80,000,000
Vegeta: 64,000,000
Gohan: 57,000,000
Kibito: 56,000,000
Kid Trunks: 10,500,000
Goten: 10,000,000
Tien: 250,000
Krillin: 240,000
Pui Pui: 180,000
Spopovitch: 30
Yamu: 28
Videl: 21
Hercule: 10
Punta: 8
*Base Vegito toying with Buu is anime-only, this is based on the manga
>>155838549
make it 9001 for the old meme sake.
>>155837361
In the manga no one jumped in to help Gohan before Vegeta did. This is definitely one part the anime improved on.
Perfect characters don't exi-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRFBS_2yFII
>>155838642
>jobhan
>>155838642
>Mystic Columbine Gohan
>perfect
>>155838558
>>155838504
>>155838456
>>155838425
can you post the visual power charts?
i'd appreciate it.
>>155838642
That theme still sends chills down my spine.
Why does Gohan get all the good music?
>Gohan fights Frieza theme
>SSJ2 Gohan theme
>Ultimate Gohan theme
>>155838642
Universe Survival MVP coming through again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkSsU7tO3Ew
>the technique
>the power
he only loses when the enemy cheats
>>155838558
how about the baby saga and the
U.S.Arc?
WHERE ARE MUH LEAKS
>>155838642
>dub
>good
God its like a shitty 2007 abridged series
Reminder that Hit will be the winner of the ToP, and will beat Goku, Vegeta, Toppo, and Jiren by Knockout.
Screencap this while you can.
>>155838789
Because he's the "chosen one" and supposed to be the main character after the Cell Saga (but Toriyama retconned it because tasteless Jap fans wanted Goku back).
>>155838845
up your ass
>>155838866
They do a bad job, but who wants to listen to Japanese people with their high pitched baby noises?
The Japanese are more authentic sounding and more professional and revised but fuck that I'm not Japanese I prefer it in English.
>>155838877
DB has such interesting plot twists.
>>155838935
show me where I said the jap is good
>>155838996
>blue is 9 times stronger than white or silver
How?
>>155838912
>tasteless fans
It was Tori who decided to bring Goku back because he felt Gohan wasn't going to work as the mc.
>>155838972
It's usually just implied.
What's the best version then?
>>155838789
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8Hlq869oZA
>>155837151
Sorry im into 90s trash instead of 80s trash
>>155838935
The high pitched voice fits Goku IMO, Gohan should have different voice acting but it's still fine, Vegeta voice is GOAT.
American Dub is unprofessional.
>>155839123
the portugese dub
>>155837756
Let me help you cleaning up the remaining shit.
There, nice and simple.
>>155832077
manhow the fuck does Goku go from 400 to almost a billion in less than ten years? i just can't grasp how fast he gets strong
>>155839153
So you do have good taste after all, i retract my previous statements
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnRgPN-ECB4
>>155838912
>gohanfags still spout this nonsense to justify their rage
>>155838625
I haven't read the manga, but that's good to know. I always find my favorite parts of Dragonball Z were the fights where everyone played a part. Nappa, Recoome, and Kid Buu in particular.
>>155839235
>not calling him hero
thank you very much
>>155839144
IT WAS OKAY TO HAVE GOKU VOICED BY A WOMAN WHEN HE WAS JUST A LITTLE KID
BUT HE'S A FUCKING MIDDLE-AGED MAN AND HE'S FUCKING JACKED AND WORKS OUT, AND HE'S VOICED BY A FUCKING EIGHTY YEAR-OLD LADY
Explain this.
>>155839340
wait one second.
Didn't they say "over 8000"
Also, I thought Kaio fist was supposed to multiply the power by 2, so why is it 10000?
>>155839321
he is a reckless uneducated country bumpkin who likes to fight.
>Characters's power level changes throughout the fight
>Still try to measure them
What's the point?
>>155838642
Agreed, Buu is perfect
>>155839427
Powerlevels appeal to autism and therefore allowed the show to become more popular.
>>155839321
He's simply a guy with a high pitched voice while also having a hick accent that makes it sound even higher. Working out doesn't make your voice thicker
>>155839488
in the original Db, a gap of a few tens ment you didn't stand a chance. Now a few thousand is a close fight?
>>155839505
testosterone does you fucking retard and goku exalates test from every pore of his body like a fountain
>>155839651
>piccolo takes off his weighted clothes.
>Gains millions of "points" (or whatever)
how?
>>155839734
>>155839746
Piccolo can materialize clothes out of thin air.
He probably created his to be as heavy as a mountain.
>>155839746
Because those powerlevels are all made up bullshit.
>>155838996
>>155838969
>beginning of series buff roshi can beat tao pai pai
how
>>155839721
There are so many fits guys with high voices, also I'm the proof this isn't true, I'm baby faced with a very low voice
>>155839836
Wasn't Gohan's Kamehameha weaker than Cell's when he had his broken arm?
>>155839881
>25º
hahaha
That's the Spanish number symbol
>>155832210
>having to resort to fan orchestrations and remixes to make Faulconer's poorly aged garbage sound better than it is
>>155839746
It just works. Somebody should edit the face of Toriyama in one of the photos of Todd Howard.
>>155839797
>>155839235
>100 million power level difference between goku and cell
>it was a close fight
>70 difference between yamcha and shen
>shen could have knocked yamcha out in one hit at any time
why is this
>>155839903
It was. Gohan says he lost half of his power
>>155839881
stop this autism faggot
>>155839999
Ask the Kanzenshuu autist who pulled these numbers from his asshole.
>>155839970
Where the fuck is Piccolo? Also, if those power levels are implying that Goten/Trunks are stronger than Piccolo then that's objectively retarded. It was implied numerous times that Goten and Trunks were weaker as two separate beings.
>>155839999
power levels meant nothing after half frieza saga
>>155839922
>MAJIN VEGETA STRONGER THAN SSJ3 GOKU
FUCKING STOP THIS SHIT JESUS CHRIST
>>155839999
Relative difference.
All those PL are complete arse though. It would have been better off if that guy just stopped posting it.
>>155840050
seriously the guy spamming these is an autist
>>155840077
Not him but he isn't, see
>>155839970
>>155840077
Are you retarded?
Majin Vegeta = 8 billion
SSJ3 Goku = 30 billion
>>155840109
It looks like you're incapable of reading. Back to school.
>>155839881
>people with 28 and 30 power level were able to shove a comically large needle into Gohan
Sure thing.
>>155840092
>SSJ3 weaker than Goku using the Spirit Bomb
>not even slightly weaker - CONSIDERABLY weaker
jesus fucking christ no more of these nonsense power levels please. It's one thing to try and rationalise and calculate a fucking STORY, but to get it so vastly wrong at the same time. jesus christ.
>>155840186
That was a Super Spirit Bomb that gathered force from the entire galaxy.
>>155834935
Nothing cuckataro creates is relevant. all his gods have been written out by toriyama
>>155840225
Elephant and Robot are still in the tournament
>anti-PL fags getting butthurt and salty because their favorite character (Hercule) is shit
Delicious tears
>>155840186
But this spirit bomb was for sure considerably stronger than the SSJ3
>>155838969
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>>155840092
thanks man, appreciate it.
these are the most accurate and as far as im concerned, official power level list i've ever seen. everything makes sense
>>155840402
No problem.
It's a product of years of research and study. Thank God we are far past the dark ages of fan speculation.
>>155840402
>pedrolevels
>official
Best English OP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT1Dp69D7q0
Best Nip OP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7kZVH849Eo
>>155840497
>here son, embrace my bulge
Who would win in a fight
The strongest iteration of goku so far, or galactus with the eternal mangekyo sharingan
Growth becomes easier the stronger you get.
It's why powerlevels over 1000 are rare across the universe, which is also why Saiyans at PL 1000-4000 on average were considered super dangerous and why early zenkai boosts are so low and shitty for them.
Freeza's soldiers ranked between 500-2000 presumeably and his elites were in the ranges of 10k-25k and the ginyu in 40k+ ranges, with Captain Ginyu being so retardedly powerful at 120k that literally the only character besides Freeza that could compete with him prior to the Namek saga was like, Oozaru Vegeta.
It's also possible people like Yamcha and Krillin are freakshows like the Ginyu force and have absurdly high potential and growth compared to their race's averages. Except they actually fucking train so achieving levels of like 200k is entirely possible.
As for Goku and Vegeta and Gohan, once you pass that threshold of the higher thousands it seems zenkai boosts legit skyrocket in power, I think Vegeta even says something abut that. The reason Saiyans never got that strong before is because there's not enough good competition in the universe for them to level up on. Once they reach like 5000-10,000 they're pretty much unstoppable as far as typical warriors go. Even Namekian warriors weren't as strong as Bardock, King Vegeta, or Nappa, save for Nail of course. And obviously the 10x boost from Oozaru made them even more impossible to beat granted a full moon was out. An army of Great Ape Saiyans could have killed Freeza and his elites if Freeza never managed to transform in time.
>>155840213
>>155840373
It probably shouldn't have said "SON GOKU" and then spirit bomb underneath in tiny letters then. Sort of gives the impression that Son Goku was the one with that kind of power.
>>155840480
Would it be possible to calculate how strong Bardock, Broly, Cooler and Gogeta are?
>>155840527
Good taste broskiI believe you know what the best EDs are as well
>>155832753
>>155840628
Of course
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUXe8vqdvx4&
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtLQgT1_azs
>>155840497
Poor kid is even looking away from the bulge.
>>155840620
Bardock: around 1000~3000
Broly: around Perfect Cell's level
Cooler: around the Android levels
Gogeta: Buutenks/Buuhan
SSJ4 Gogeta is the most powerful character in all of Dragon Ball, followed by Omega Shenron and Super Vegito.
>>155832612
Pan is 5 in EoZ, so we still have plenty of time.
>>155840724
>all of Dragon Ball
zeno
>>155840786
Who?
>>155840593
Honestly I find that the complete opposite is true.
Zenkai's have become minuscule and obsolete. There hasn't been a single time since the Namek arc that a Saiyan has become considerable stronger after nearly dying.
People say that Vegeta got stronger from Zenkai in the Goku Black fight, but let's be honest, the scene of him fucking DESTROYING the Hyperbolic Time Chamber at the beginning of that episode was the reason why Vegeta came back and kicked Black's ass.
Also, we saw Vegeta say that as you near your biological limit, you can't gain as much power. It took a year in the Time Chamber (or at least more than 6 months) for Vegeta to come back and SLIGHTLY overpower Black. Vegeta and Goku are apparently nearing their limit, and honestly the power difference between now and the U6 saga seems to suggest that.
strongest character . not arguable
>>155839970
Farmer with a shotgun power level: 5
Shotgun slug carries approximately 4-5 KJ of energy at muzzle. Assuming that this measurement is accurate 1 KJ = 1 Power level (slightly less).
This means the Majin Vegeta of 24 Billion is equal to approximately 24 Billion KJ or 24 Trillion Joules.
A megaton is equal to 4.184 x 10 to the 9th (Billion)J.
This means that when Vegeta destroyed himself to destroy Buu the explosion was equal to approximately 5 Megatons of TNT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adyL_L5vukA
>>155840938
You think Toriyama is the final villain, only to see Toriyama's supervisor and Toei pulling the strings.
>>155840684good
>>155840480
>years of research and study
Not sure if that's sad or funny.
>>155840593
>Vegeta (Zenkai boost #3): 2,400,000
>Vegeta (Zenkai boost #2): 60,000
That list is still horrendously wrong in places, which in turn threw out the entire list.
Also, there were maybe 15 Saiyans that weren't low class, the 'threat' Freiza saw in them at the time was really limited entirely to Vegeta becoming SSJ.
>>155836267
>Talking light of Taopaipai
>>155841092
This is when Vegeta went to 2,4 million:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54UnckSh_gc
It makes sense, because Krillin blew a fucking hole in him and then got healed by Dende.
Goku's jump from 90k to 3mil is likewise because of his grave injuries in the fight against Ginyu.
>>155841198
>his grave injuries in the fight against Ginyu
Well it was more Vegeta taking advantage of the situation to beat the shit out of Goku's body.
>>155840724
I think Broly was a lot stronger than Perfect Cell. If the first Broly movie is meant to be within the 12 days preceding the Cell Games then the combined strength of Trunks, Goku, Vegeta and Gohan would have much more easily defeated him if that were the case.
>>155841368
The thing with Broly is that his power increases when he gets angry, just like Gohan.
So his base strength in LSSJ would be around P. Cell, but over time his power increases up to, let's say a maximum of Majin Buu's level (around 10~15 billion).
>>155841198
In the anime version of DBZ, after the Namek fight is over, Vegeta threatens Gohan, but Piccolo immediately stands in the way and intimidates Vegeta.
I can honestly agree with the fact that Vegeta, despite that big song and dance power up, only managed to surpass Frieza's first form, barely matching up to Piccolo. The scene was more to fool the viewer, and was more about Vegeta's delusion and fear than an actual power up.
There's no doubt that he soared higher than ever, but reaching almost 3,000,000? Jesus christ thats insanely off.
And to add another point, why is Piccolo in his weighted gear STILL stronger than Frieza's second form??? What the fuck? Piccolo's face is mashed in before he takes off his weighted gear and then SLIGHTLY surpasses Frieza's second form.
>>155841198
His power did not increase 40x from a single Zenkai.
>>155832210
Pathetic.
https://youtu.be/Ezrbyf6t9mY
>>155841491
kai was a mistake
>>155841525
>removes all filler stories and gives the Ginyu Force the gay, showtune glam rock theme song they deserve
YOU are the mistake my friend
>>155841456
Broly was never as strong as Buu. At best, Broly is above P. Cell in terms of raw power.
It's pretty much impossible for Buu to lose to a SSJ2 (DBZ) level foe.
>>155841480
>Vegeta threatens Gohan
They actually fought.
Piccolo stood in the way when he realized Vegeta was gonna kill Gohan.
But Piccolo was not stronger, Vegeta simply had enough of their shit and left.
>>155840497
are ya winnin son
>>155841703
that was filler, retard
>>155841703
to add:
The only moment when Piccolo became the strongest was when he fused with Kami, far surpassing a Super Saiyan and becoming equally as strong as #17, #18 and Imperfect Cell.
It wouldn't be until the Saiyans started training in the HTC that they became top again.
>>155841456
I deal in absolutes. I'm not passionate enough to put in the effort anymore, but I think 10-15b might be stretching it. I offer you 8.5b
>>155832991
Im in basically the same boat. but a rose would go beautifully with my super vegito and I just got janemba so I really want a chance to pull buuhan. Looks like villain banner it it is for me
>>155841656
>impossible for Buu to lose to a SSJ2
Fat Buu might have had a run for his money from Goku/Vegeta SSj2 at the end of Z, but definitely not Gohan's SSj2 versing Cell.
>>155839321
Sean is the voice of Goku. Dub>sub
>>155836090
lowballed goku is atleast universal
highballed he is low multiversal
>>155841823
>Vegito in the same tier as anyone else
Nope.
>people trying to equate Movie villains to TV villains
They're scaled completely differently. I remember something saying Broly was a galactic threat, or would've destroyed vast swathes of the Universe unchecked.
That's well above Solar System level, and therefore well above Cell level, if only because he'd need to be that strong to cause such damage in his life-span.
Can't equate them so directly.
>>155842051
Wrong.
>>155841703
I don't see why Vegeta would back away other than him being weaker
Piccolo: "Back off. Not today"
Vegeta: "U-ugh. Have it your way. "
Again though, it's not too important. It's just filler. I just don't see Vegeta getting that powerful from just one Zenkai.
>>155842093
>They're scaled completely differently
Pretty sure they are scaled exactly the same since we have heaps of common points of reference. Also being the same characters in the same universe helps.
>>155836843
Seriously, what is it with Dragonball and it's collection of alleged plagarizations?
>>155829741
Based Dream Theater is based: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b4Cg9k8gxQalso: based dub is based
>>155842079
If we're going into numbers, here, let me unleash my autism...
>Goku in the anime adopts SSJGod's power into his base
>BASE Goku is now Universal
>SSJ Multipliers stack on-top
>SSJ Goku is 50x Universal, SSJ2 is 100x, SSJ3 is 400x
>multiplier for Blue is unknown, but it surpasses God by a decent margin, and God was above Super Vegito, which was, even 50 times weaker as Base Vegito, stronger than SSJ 3
>given that Super Vegito's multiplication of power is our only frame of reference, Blue would be at least a 50x greater multiplier than SSJ3, not even accounting for that as a firm low-ball, or that that also applies to SSJ God, which SSBlue is stronger than
>SSBlue is, massive low-ball, a 20,000 x multiplier on Goku's power
>x10 for Kaioken
Goku is 200,000 x Universal low-ball
Ya heard me
>>155842179
>same universe
Movies aren't canon
>>155829741
Why cant we have characters like these for super?
>>155842325
Filler isn't canon either, but we can still figure out a PL for that shit based on what's known and what's obvious.
>>155842265
Not the same guy, but I really don't think the God Ki Goku absorbed into his base gave him that much of a boost. I think the whole "Saiyan Beyond God'' thing is just a term for a Saiyan who now has complete control over God Ki (which he can use in his SSJ1 form, making Super Saiyan Blue)
I'm sure his base form was boosted, but very very mildly.
U7 only has 28 planets with life because Beerus and Goku destroyed most of the universe at the start of Super by exchanging 2 punches.
>BbBbbbBut Goku is innocent!
>>155840402
Thank you. I'm glad you like my made up numbers
>>155842469
Filler at least occurs in the same universe, just in a state of questionable validity as it doesn't exist across all DB media.
>>155842370
But Yamcha is in Super
>>155842538
is he
is he really
having 3 lines in 84 episodes and not doing anything in the story doesn't count to me
>>155842495
>what is Frieza Force and Majin Buu
>>155842595
what is so appealing about yamcha and his death pose?
>>155837281
>>155839999
>when you pull random numbers out of your ass
>>155839999
Are you retarded? Because overall difference also factors in relative placement.
150 > 220 is a far bigger relative fap than 25b > 26b
>>155842370
What relevant thing has Yamcha done since DBZ started?
>>155842791
anti-PL fags are imbeciles, just ignore them
>>155842808
:( nothing
damn you toriyama!
>>155842791
>150 > 220 is a far bigger relative fap
>>155842808
Took care of a sick Goku.
>>155842791
>also factors in relative
Your unit of measure is shit then.
>>155842861
So Raditz > Goku
From one of the best episodes of super so far
This episode was 4/10, although super is 1/10 at best
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dp7UBRrHPA
>>155842891
Are you fucking serious? Go watch some slice of life or something.
>>155842875
I bet Yamcha fucked Chi-Chi on the kitchen table while Goku was dying of the heart disease in bed upstairs.
>>155842891
then what is super at worst?
Where's my cute Gine? SOMEONE POST GINE
>>155842973
Not canon.
>>155842930
>>155842962
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UQ8HA2LlsU
>>155842962
Wasn't SSj3 Goku vs Beerus on King Kai's planet absolute arse? Disc release might have fixed it but I know TV release it was shocking.
Has Dragon Ball ever had an arc as good as Namek?
Hint: the answer is no.
>>155843099
Nice bait, we all know the Androids/Cell arc has the most gripping story, and perfect fusion of both fantasy and sci-fi elements.
>>155843099
Saiyan Saga > Android Saga > Namek Saga >
>>155840891
Zenkais are specifically a Saiyan body adapting to handle more power
Ss does the same thing
After ss, zenkai just helps close the gap between normal and ss
>>155843099
We all know that Supers opening arc, the "water collection arc", was the best tv toei ever produced
>>155843010
what was "7 3"?
>>155843099
Having watched the whole series recently, the only parts which actually really excited me were:
Every tournament
Red Ribbon Army
Vegeta/Nappa
Collection of the Dragon Balls on Namek
Driving Lessons Saga
Android/Cell saga pre-Semi-Perfect Cell
Gohan vs Perfect Cell
Buu Saga Goku vs Vegeta
>>155843362
>Having watched the whole series recently,
subbed or dubbed
>>155843362
The RRA saga was a snooze fest.
That shit was fucking boring.
It had some cool moments like Blue, Mercenary Tao and Ninja Murasaki. But the arc just felt like a long filler. I just wanted to get it over with and see Piccolo and the tournaments.
>No Lava Goku Xenoverse mod yet
>>155843455
English of course.
Why would you watch it in anything else?
>>155843506
I identify as an east orthodox Christian. God told me to wacth it subbed
>>155843455
Subbed. I watched a lot of the dub when I was a kid, so I figured I'd try the original.
>>155843455
>>155843506
disgusting.
opinion discarded then
https://youtu.be/OCXoQ_ZcjYo?t=2m5s
>not posting the best battle music
>>155843556
This.
>>155842950
Yamcha is too beta for that.
>>155829741
That first song honestly sounds really familiar, like i've heard it before. But it's only the instrumental not the lyrics.
>>155843720
My dream is for there to be a a yamcha from another universe in the tournament, and he woops vegetas butt
>>155832210
I legit liked a bit of the tracks in falc's line.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w50zQ67D6wY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M954D_jyJbQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woHtuw_xtcc
>>155843802
Where I live calling someone 'Yamcha' is the literal equivalent to simultaneously calling someone weak AND retarded.
>>155844025
Do you live in Mexico by any chance?
>>155841595
Don't forget
>ruins jayce's voice
God damn fuck kai
>>155844134
Australia
Was he a jojo reference?
Gentle reminder Buu Arc Gohan is /ourguy/
>>155844315
yamcha is ourguy
>>155844350
Hi Yamcha. Excited to get the call for this tournament?
>>155844166
>implying that Daisuke Kishio ruined Jeice's voice
>>155844429
Yeah boi! There's no way they are forgetting me
>>155844302
no you fucking jojo faggot
>>155844220
damn. I was way off.
>>155843457
Agreed. The TaoPaiPai -> Base invasion section is great, but everything else is really boring. There's a reason Dragonball pretty much dropped adventure arcs after it.
>>155844462
That faggot Tien's gonna be so mad when he learns he's not the strongest human.
>>155844559
Why would he? We all know Krillin is the strongest human.
what would have happened if when recoome tried to eat the senzu that goku threw to vegeta, he caught it and ate it
Could two Potara fusions potentially do the fusion dance to fuse together? And if so how strong would the end result be?
>>155845850
this has been a question for many years. And we don't know the answer
>>155845850
I imagine it being extremely dangerous. I mean, what the hell would happen if one of the fusees had to unfuse due to the time limit, yet the main fusion had plenty of time still?
They'd probably fucking implode.
>>155843166
>Asspulls and Forced Plot Twists: The Arc
The best arc being shit
DIE NINGEN DIE
>>155842973
Here, anon
Who would win between Lava Goku and West Black?
>>155846796
Explain yourself or your opinion means nothing.
>>155846882
Well Lava Goku can punch a hole through Ace so I gotta give it to Lava Goku.
>>155832612
We're now 4 years from EoZ. It has some continuity problems but it's still lingering.
>>155846796
>Asspulls and Forced Plot Twists: The Arc
I thought he was talking about the Android arc not the Zamasu arc.
>>155840682
>>155847048
Why do you think Shin is so whipped?
>>155846805
cute
why were silver black and white so much weaker than general blue?
>>155847114
It's literally joke art. don't take it seriously.
Yep. Nothing against anyone who likes dubs but I can't stand 'em. Why watch *Japanese* shows/movies/etc. if they're not even in Japanese?! Besides, like you said (it seemed like it anyway), a LOT is lost in translation, and even some of the subs can be off, but if you don't speak Japanese, you should at least watch with subs instead of listening to some cheesy American/British version. That's only my humble opinion, though! =)
>>155846943
>Two androids called 19 and 20 will appear to kill all of you
>Wait no these aren't the androids. I m-meant 17 and 18 I swear!
>WAIT there's another android I didn't know about
>BUT WAIT the androids of this timeline are even stronger than the ones I know, because reasons!
>WHAAAAAT? ANOTHER ANDROID? AND IT'S A BUG MONSTER? I didn't see that coming lol
>Wait there's this place where 1 day = 1 year, we didn't use it before because reasons. I'll call it the room of convenience and asspulls
>lol we'll let the bug monster get perfect because we are fucking retards
>>155847299
Nice falseflag (and dubs), dumbass
>>155847299
I agree.
>>155847170
Because those 2 were just normal dudes whereas Blue knows martial arts and psychic attacks.
>>155846882
Terra Goku and his Earthquake Kamehameha
>>155847379
?????
>>155839178
Goku got 330 times stronger in ONE WEEK. Z has serious power level rubber banding.
>tfw you can watch db dubbed because your dub has the japanese ost and not the retarded ameriburger soundtrack
God tier latin american dub
Also god tier Rene Garcia, Castañeda y Carlos segundo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T17AyCOaHVk
So this is the power of cringe
>>155847568
Yeah, growing up watching DB/Z/GT with the latin american dub and the original ost was awesome.
>>155840620
According to V-jump, Cooler is 470 million, Broly is 1.2 billion (they put Cell at 970 million) and Gogeta is 2.5 billion
>>155847170
Because.
>>155847568
>>155847686
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORdsC9Usb_A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RaMWZiJSQ4
>spic ball z
>>155847747
Blue was a huge bitch and a faggot who literally jobbed to Tao, but his design is still one of my favorites in the series as a whole.
>>155847853
What was Toei thinking?
>>155847747
>>155847853
Was Blue just a big joke about the SS being gay from Toriyama?
>>155847933
Based Toei.
>>155847817
>says something about the dub
>posts somethimg about the fanbase
Uh, sure
>>155847372
You tried.
You can literally sum any work of fiction ever made through an exaggerated greentext. You're mistaking "forced" plot twists with actual plot twists. If you want everything to be fucking foreshadowed 3 chapters beforehand then you clearly can't enjoy long running series. Toriyama likes subverting expectations through his stories. He did it in the Frieza saga, he did it in the Buu saga, and he's done it in Super. The Cell saga catches you off guard numerous times and finishes with a perfect ending that resolves every plot and sub plot. The only thing I agree with you about is the Time Chamber thing, but that arguments been done to death already.
Android 17 and 18 were stronger in the present timeline because they were never weaker in the future to begin with. In the Future timeline, Future Gohan and Trunks never stood a chance, causing the Androids to seem stronger in comparison. A fun subplot that's concluded when Trunks completely wipes the floor with them and sees they were never anything special.
>>155832210
this blows the Jap score out of the water.
good taste anon
Faulconer wins again
>>155831105
>>155831336
>>155831434
You forgot SSJ2 GT Goku so it's shit
I feel like the terms Faulchadner/Faulcuckner/Faulcopedro and OGchad/OGcuck/OGpedro are going to rise in the coming days.
>>155848132
>OGchad/OGcuck/OGpedro
You mean Japchad, Japcuck and Japedro.
>>155834892
>Two episodes in a row to reintroduce #17 back to the story, not to mention he appears several times in the new opening.
Is he going to be relevant in this arc?
>>155848018
Oh look, a Faulconer fan who can spell it right. How rare.
Look their civilization is developing!
>>155848018
>this blows the Jap score out of the water.
>>155847624
good for him, tad delusional but it obviously means a lot to him and he keeps in shape so why hate
>>155848193
>>155848220
>>155848132
>Salty Samefag Subfag tears
>>155841368
The issue is that the Broly movie although seemingly using post-RoSaT Goku and Gohan, is kind of weird with their power level. Goku really seems to be about as strong as Vegeta, and Gohan actually seems to be weaker than everyone, rather than stronger than Goku.
The fact that Buu Saga Gohan does better against Broly than that Teen Gohan makes the power comparisons even wackier.
>dress up as 17 for a Halloween party a few years ago
>they bring him back in Super with a new outfit
>he has MIR written on his shirt
>those are my initials
Am I autistic for thinking that's kinda neat? For real though, did they explain what it means? I'm assuming it stands for the park he looks after.
>>155848312
Did Second Coming come out before it was revealed that Gohan had lost a lot of his power?
>>155848288
>Salty
Please, you're pathetic, enjoy your cuckonier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N6igmQJ-wg
>>155848377
yes
>>155832210
Alec Rozsa's remixes are really great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMsYmjmga_g
>>155848377
manuel inez Ramirez?
How is Super better than GT?>muh spics
Isn't an argument
>>155848132
Nah. This "discussion" will die out as soon as the Faulconer/powerlevelfag/Gohanfag shitposter gets tired.
>>155848493
It isn't. Superfags are just delusional.
If we go back 10 years and some deviantart fan-fic made SSJ "red" or "blue" palette swaps, people would laugh at him and ignore it.
But now, people unironically eat that garbage up. We're not far from accepting that SSJ9 Gohan with white hair as canon.
Best to just ignore the Superfag/Subfag/anti-Gohan butthurt Cellfag until he gets tired.
>>155848493
GT is shit, mate.
>>155848609
Super makes GT look like a masterpiece
>>155848493
The people who prefer GT over Super only remember the SS4, Baby, Super 17 and Omega shenron
Try watching the 64 episodes of that garbage again
>>155848644
You wish.
>>155831520
nigga wat
>no oozaru/ssj to golden oozaru
>base to ssjb instead of ssj to ssjb
>bothering to keep kid goku separate from adult goku
fuck this chart is trash.
>>155848394
Post based Vegeta
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6qr6qxwOMY
>>155848609
>>155848691
>>155848698
>still no arguments on how Super is better than GT besides GT being shit even tho Super is shit too
come on, I'm not even trying to make a fight, I just wanna see real arguments on how Super is better than GT
Daily reminder to ignore Subfags and "Super is better than GT" shitposters.
>>155848493
Someone post Shin and Ro pulling Goku's tail out of his ass
>>155848474
N-no.
>>155848792
>Ro
>>155848743
>Vegeta still trys to flaunt that he is the Saiyan Prince
This is just getting pathetic.
>>155848791
>ignore subfags
>on an imageboard centered primarily on japanese culture
>on a board about japanese tv shows
>in a thread about a japanese comic
>"ignore subfags"
holy shit what manner of bait is this, and why did i bite it.
>>155848644
Super anime (from episode 28 onwards) is just a little bit better than GT, but not by much. And that's not an accomplishment.
>>155838558
>SSJ3 Goku
>Stronger than SSJ Gotenks
Shit list
>>155848791
Super IS better than G T.
>>155848841
>implying this post you made isn't bait itself
>>155848858
>SSJ
>stronger than an SSJ3
Retard.
>>155848784
By not being GT
If you really need one, go watch GT. Unless you're braindead, you'll understand what makes Super better.
Super was trash up until the U6 arc, sub-par for that, decent in FTrunks, and seems to have stepped up big-time this recent arc.
GT was fucking unironic garbage through-and-through
>>155848907
but why?
>>155848920
Stated by Goku now go kill yourself.
also
>what is SSJ Vegetto
Kys McDumbfuck
>>155848806
Martinez Ignacio Raul?
>>155848932
>GT produced
Gogeta
SSJ4
>DBS produced
.. nothing of value
Red/Blue hair palette swaps is the most retarded thing that has ever happened in the history of this series.
I remember when SSJ4s were thought as stupid, but holy fuck the dumb transformations in DBS makes SSJ4 look amazing.
>>155848920
Being a higher level doesn't innately mean you're stronger, they're just multipliers.
SSJ = 50x
SSJ3 = 400x
If Goku, for example, had a power-level of 2, and Gotenks had anything above a 16, Gotenks would be stronger as SSJ than Goku was as 3.
SSJ Gotenks was confident he could've beaten Fat Buu BEFORE further training, Goku COULD have beaten Fat Buu.
>>155848493
Baseball episode
>>155849010
>>GT produced
>Gogeta
Fusion Reborn had Gogeta's first appearance.
>SSJ4
Garbage.
Made my argument for me. Super wins.
>>155849010
Beerus and Whis saved the franchise, SS4 and Gogeta (who's from a movie, not GT) didn't
>>155849010
I agree.
"SSB" and "SSG" are so retarded I have just blocked them from my mind. They don't exist as far as I'm concerned. DBS is not canon and never will be, it's just fan-fic garbage.
Just pretend Super doesn't exist like I do.
>>155849118
>Beerus
>Whis
Not canon.
>a skinny anorexic cat is the most powerful thing ever
>>155849127
>>155849163
Can you get any more autistic?
>>155849163
>Not canon
We aren't talking about canon
>>155848910
except it literally isn't.
>>155849213
Yes, watch me: "Toyotaro is good".
>>155848716
you can't go from ssj to blue
>>155849010
>SSJ4
Trash, never liked that stupid transformation, not to mention all the fanfic wank that it got all over the net, pure trash.
>>155849163
>>a skinny anorexic cat is the most powerful thing ever
I don't remember Zeno being a skinny anorexic cat
>>155849280
>>155849071
SSJ4 still looks better than shitty red/blue palette swaps.
The whole canon/not canon debate is so autistic
>>155849312
It doesn't.
Palette swaps are inoffensive, at worst, they're boring.
SSJ4 is an over-designed abortion.
>>155849340
>SSJ4 is an over-designed abortion
>yet still looks better than blue/red retcon garbage
superfags dont have any arguments. all they can do is attack GT but cant defend their own trash super
>>155849384
Sure pedro
>>155849384
Settle down Pedro I like your DeviantArt monkey.
>>155849409
Settle down Miguel, I'm sure somebody in the world finds your red/blue hair palette swaps good.
>>155849339
The falseflagging faggot is looking for a new topic to start shitposting, since nobody gives a fuck about Anime vs Manga meme wars. Like Dub vs Sub or GT vs Super, but doesn't work.
>ask why they consider Super to be superior to GT
>they literally have no argument besides GT being shit even tho Super is shit too
>say from the beginning that >muh spics isn't an argument
>muh spics
>>155849384
A mi me gusta el super mono 4 xD
>>155849441
SSG is most definitely NOT a palette swap, at least look at the design.
Anime > Manga
Dub > Sub
GT > Super
Faulconer > Jap trash
End of discussion.
Anyone claiming otherwise is just baiting for (You)'s.
>>155849441
>>155849465
Hello Jose
>>155849497
Get some taste faggot.
>>155849520
>replying to obvious bait.
>>155849518
nice argument my man
>>155849339
>>155849448
Here, someone posted all the topics for me >>155849497
>>155849556
Not a problem Fernando
>>155849312
Nah, ss4 still looks pretty dumb, I don't think that something worse will ever be made.
>>155849556
Lets see
>Better Characters
>Better Transformation
>Better OST
>Worse arc is equal to GT best arc
>Better Expansion of DB Universe
go fuck yourself spic
>>155849520
Don't reply to bait, retard.
>>155849611
>it's a /pol/estinian goes nuclear episode
hmmmmm
>>155849604
Something worse has been made.
It's called "Super Saiyan god" and "Super Saiyan blue".
Nobody unironically likes DBS except for 3rd world spics and canadians.
This show is so sad....
They're reusing the plots that toei animation was planning for dragon ball ultimate..... even the evil goku plot was a copy paste...
>>155841992
Goku/Vegeta SSj2 Buu saga > Gohan's SSj2 vs Cell
They say so in Babidi's ship.
>>155841456
Broly was probably a bit stronger than Cell Games SSJ2 Gohan, but we do know that:
Goku + Gohan + Vegeta + Trunks + Piccolo = about 4x Perfect Cell > Broly,
so he can't be higher than that.
Even accounting for >>155848312 Broly should still be around SSJ2 Gohan.
>>155848493
Limit Break x Survivor
Trunks and Pan no longer shit.
Mai a cute, not a hag.
Keeps the orange gi.
SSJ4 doesn't fit.
Black Star Dragonballs a dumb: Shin can teleport Goku around directly to the dragon balls and cut out all of GT.
GT = Z movies and filler tier writing
Spics like it.
Stop giving 155849497 (You)s.
>>155849641
you are rascist.
The following posts are bait:
>>155849627
>>155849611
>>155849604
>>155849590
>>155849540
>>155849520
>>155849518
>>155849670
>>155849641
>spics like GT
>spics like Super
Huh
holy shit, will superfags ever recover?
they're getting obliterated ITT
>>155849752
by being good Christians. goku is one after all
DBS manga when? In a week?
At least SSJ4 reveals the primal and ape nature of the Saiyans.
SSB/SSG is just deviantart garbage, something you'd expect from a bored 15 year old teenager to draw.
>Dude, what if..
>What if instead of Super Saiyans getting yellow hair, it's BLUE!
>Fuckin genius man!
I don't see how anyone can defend that shit.
SSJ4 is iconic and appears in Budokai 3.
The hair color swaps are just boring, bland and soulless designs.
>>155849849
>muh primal shit
fucking furfags
Lol people don't know but evil goku was actually a thing but it was a gt special never put on the market (had the actual ssj5 red hair and red fur) in between the 100 years skipped. 6 parts, never got to release candidate the investors pulled the plug. This was 98.
Funny thing, toei still has this and an entire series after that they scrapped still in the vault (ultimate).
Those are what your Speculation talks and fanfiction are based on. Now you know, and heroes already has elements of ultimate (ssj4 gohan, adult gotenks, that's it). Ultimate had 5-9, 6 was the true form called "genten no saiyajin". 7,8,9 were outside means. 7 was only a boost of genten no saiyajin absorbing power from dragonballs.
8 (tengoku no Mon) was reached by goku and vegita through the original dragon god Ekushiaru. There are thousands. When combined, it makes ekushiaru (xicor), coincidence right....
He is one of the 3 gods of all reality. He granted goku the power of a celestial. Goku granted vegita his power.
9 was called Sozo no goku, and was true omnipotent in the end breaking the cycle of the 3 gods (tentou kaio, ekushiaru, jyuubei).
>>155849849
Don't bother, superfags have shit taste and will eat up anything as long as it has Toriyama(TM)'s seal of approval.
These same retards would tongue Toriyama's anus and suck his dick. They have no integrity or care about the Dragon Ball franchise.
>>155836576
Ok Frieza's second transformation is boss. It makes him look like a complete tyrant
And Cell's first form is awesome
>>155849904
>THIS FUCKING GUY AGAIN TOO
HOLY SHIT THIS THREAD IS LEGENDARY
>>155849752
Ok. .....
Super is copying ultimate (except ultimate is better than anything out)
Ultimate was a db sequel that never came out due to financial and legal matters.
Toei still has ultimate, and zarama in super is the equivalent of ekushiaru from ultimate.
Except ekushiaru is NOT bound by dragonballs and is neigh omnipotent and can wrap around the omniverse.
Toei is cannibolizing ultimate and scattering bits throughout the franchise, heroes, super, xenoverse, etc.
>>155849792
In the next few days. Leaks will come out soon.
So It's settled. GT > Super
It's unanimous.
Let's change subjects.
who's your favorite girl?
>>155849707
I don't know any of that, but Vegeta is undefeated against Goku.
3-0 when?
>>155850012
Claiming Husky.
>>155850012
its bra. not bulla btw.
>>155850012
ChiChi doggy style and Videl Blow Jobchi chi also enjoys anal
>>155840497
It's time to make you into a super sayian, my son
>>155850012
Bulma is best cumdump and it's not even a contest.
>gt is better than super
>>155832210
Holy shit that sounds fucking amazing.
Faulconer is the definitive soundtrack of DBZ.
>>155850012
where is cocao?
Lol the female ssj showed up in ultimate as well, as an original saiyajin (ssj6).
In ultimate that was a saijayins true form as told by emporer. Gungir was the strongest saiyajin in history.
Neith was the strongest female saiyajin in history back before they waged war with the ancient kaio (4 celestial kaioshin, the will of tentou kaio).
There were 2 groups of the saiyajin race after the war. The ones who defied the ancient kaioshin were sealed in a dimension.
The saiyajin who surrendered were placed under "the 6 seal of the kaioshin" and were reduced to the forms you see back when furiza enslaved planet vegita.
Goku going ssj1 against furiza on namek broke the first seal.
Gohan broke the second seal during cell games.
Goku broke the third seal in his training with grand kaioshin in otherworld before the buu saga.
Goku broke the 4th seal in bebi saga.
Goku broke the 5th seal during his training on planet kuraito (crate) fighting galactic warriors on his journey with shenlong.
Emporer removed the 6th seal after he trained goku to defeat gungir. He explained that the entire race was ssj6 or origin saiyajin (genten no saiyajin)
Rota saga
Gungir saga
Jyuubei saga
Ekushiaru corrupt saga.
>>155850266
>>155848493
Well personally I just like the characterzation.
It's focused on Goku and Vegeta instead of Goku feat Trunks and Pan. but Super has the gods which are personally more interesting than shit like Baby and traveling the universe for those black star dragon balls. Beerus and Whis are incredibly additions to the show in my opinion and the 12 universes thing makes room for expansion without having to do something retarded like turning Goku into a kid so he can fight "evenly" with an enemy even though he's hit solar system level shit.
>>155849384
Listen here, GT was a mistake, the only compliment that I can offer is that the animation colours where painted by hand.
The music was shit specially the bg music it felt like I was watching a western cartoon, it had no connection to the DB and DBZ music, it was just awful.
The character design was bad, the characters looked shorter, the heads looked huge and the shoulders looked too round.
The backgrounds, sky, mountains, buildings, etc, all looked pretty bad, it was like a downgrade of what once was beautiful to plain ugly.
The colouring was over saturated.
The stories were basically recycled ideas that were considered too bad to be part of DBZ, it was just unpleasant to watch, from the stupidity of the ss4 making Goku become a grownup with grownup pants and shoes, to the saiyanjin wank, everything was fucking awful, I just want to forget about it.
DBS may have its problems but it's slowly becoming better, and it has the potential of becoming good.
>>155850266
loud blasting at every second does not fit a Japanese cartoon
>>155850266
Cuck.
>>155850169
wow that completely shows that gt is the lesser product.
It shows that gt is less completly and without a possibility of being wrong
>>155849274
1. Vegeta literally did go from SSJ to SSJB
2. It's more of a "requirements" chart, with SSJ Blue being a Super Saiyan God gone Super Saiyan
new thread
>>>/h/4591450
>>>/h/4591450
>>155850591
/a/ thread please. I finished jerking off a while ago
>>155839645
>>155839999
>one billionaire has 10 billion
>second billionaire has 20 billion
>they both can live the same life with minimal differences and have the same experiences. That extra ten billion only matters on masturbatory lists
>meanwhile the QoL between someone making 25k and 50k or 50k and 100k, assuming they live in the same town and have the same amount of children, is huge
Isn't that kinda similar?