Did anyone else see Kizumonogatari part 3 today?

>>155734716
I was just about to make this thread

Did you see it in Village East Cinema?

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>>155734900
Yes I fucking did.
I was hoping to bump into someone from /a/ but there was no thread up.

im going again tonight to a different venue because the one i saw it at initially didnt have posters
at least it's good enough to go see again

>>155734965
I was around the center seats with a friend of mine. We sat next to some guy playing F/GO

There where some faggots behind us talking about bitcoins and minecraft

The thought that there was someone else in this thread feels weird

>>155735034
I'm so relieved to finally have all three posters.
I was really expecting something to go wrong and not get the last one

>>155735088
Fuck I just noticed I forgot to get my poster from my friend since he was holding on to mine.

>>155735081
>We sat next to some guy playing F/GO

Holy fuck there is a very good chance that was me.
https://twitter.com/Souls_101/status/851563548270616579

>>155735088
screw you and your competent theater

Saw it Sunday, didn't get a poster though. Had to ebay them. I did go see Kimi No Na Wa afterwards, and fell in love with that movie too. Would rewatch both, but only Kimi No Na Wa is playing close to me.

Also if anyone is willing to part with a part 1 poster, I'm offering 80 bucks for it. Throw away is [email protected]

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>>155735135
I was on the set of seats below you if you saw some guy playing on a 3ds.

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>>155734716
I saw it on Friday at the LA premier.

It was fun ride, but now I'm a little sad that this will be the end of Monogatari on the big screen.

I ended up picking the BD for the first movie, and completed by collection of both sets of posters. I just need to get 3 frames for the first set and one more frame for the movie poster sized set.

Pretty good final movie. The scene with Hanekawa was fun and funny, the fight itself was fun, and the final few scenes were surprisingly dark and heavy. I enjoyed it quite a bit

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Just so this thread isn't just /soc/ lite, what did you guys think of the part?
I can't really decide if this or part 2 was better, but it was definitely a good finish, they really upped the gore too.
>>155735257
I didn't see a 3DS but I think the guy just below me was on steam on his phone.

The theater in San Diego was out of posters today

>>155735388
I thought it was the best part. Full-powered Kiss-
Shot was just perfect. The rooftop scene, that laugh when she regained her original power, the final fight. The melancholy ending where even becomes miserable. It was all pretty great. I went it having already read Kizu, but I was still blown away by the direction they ended up taking.

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>>155735466
I really enjoyed Part 2 cause of the Hanekawa/Arragi scenes, ironically before seeing Kizu Hane was easily one of my least favorite characters and the movie really made me grow to like her.

Their one major scene with the breast fondling was pretty great, though I wish he just went for it, I felt a bit cheated with him pussying out.

>>155735547
>Their one major scene with the breast fondling was pretty great, though I wish he just went for it, I felt a bit cheated with him pussying out.
I've never felt so blue balled in a movie theater

>>155735547
The movie did help me understand visually that Hanekawa is a literal nutcase. It's no wonder Araragi can't even fathom thinking of Hanekawa in a romantic light. Either her desperation for a friend, her desperation to kill herself to escape her home, or her desire to always do the right thing even if it means dying. You really can't think of a person like that as even remotely sane. It kind of puts into perspective as to why Araragi never noticed her advances, or if he did notice them, chose to ignore them. Dating Jesus would be weird.

>>155735724
Are you talking post Kizu? Cause during Kizu itself it seemed like Araragi was getting pretty feely when it came to her and I thought that even after dating Senjou he always in the back of his head loved Hanekawa but dated Senjou to keep her safe.

>>155735724
He thinks she is unobtainable for a guy like him, and she is a coward. Senjougahara sniped her on the Araragi train.

And Hachikuji outshone them both.
Pls be gentle, Mayoi Hell.

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Anyone here agree with what Araragi did in the end?

>>155735822
Shinobu is perfect but lets not mince words here

Arararagi is a fucking HORRIBLE human bean for not killing her

>>155735822
No, he was being selfish. But so was everyone else, so it really evens out. They only people that were cucked even though they did nothing wrong was humanity.

>Have to deal with the fact that if Araragi ever dies, Shinobu is going to go on a killing spree slaughtering everything in her path.

>>155735822
>>155735866
>>155735888
As someone who only watched S1 of Bake (back when it aired even so I barely remember it) is Shinobu basically retarded Kiss-shot? Throughout Bake she basically didn't say a word but I know in the newer stuff she begins talking and stuff. Does she have memory of what happened or is like a reborned person?

>>155735948
It's just Kissshot at stage 1 basically. Not a vampire, and not nearly as powerful. She's just pissed at Araragi in Bake, and finally warms up to him in Nise.

>>155735782
Only because you saw Kizu visually. The movies didn't have any of his monologues where he keeps putting her in a higher and higher pedestal the more they interact.

>>155735948
No, she's just Kiss-Shot, but her mentality has been sort of de-aged because Araragi sees her as an 8-year old girl. She still remembers everything, she just doesn't talk because at that point in time, she still loathes Araragi for not killing her.

She starts talking again once they begin to reconcile and she finally forgives him in her own way by choosing to be his servant again when their connection is severed.

>>155735866
Sometimes you need to hold onto a perfect girl no matter the cost. It works out for her in the end anyways.

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>I'm sick of living, I have made the fully understood choice of wanting to die
>no fuck you

Three part movie just for that

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>>155736168
Thats the best Araragi face

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>>155736168
>what do you mean vampires eat people to survive?

>>155735822
>>155735866
>>155735948
>>155736118
Reminder that due to Araragi fucking up with Math, he became emo so no way is he gonna let Bat commit suicide in Kizu.

If you remember the time travel shrine arc, Araragi was a good nice boy when he was like a little kid.

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>>155735948
She was really mad at him for not killing her. After sometime she got bored and opened her mouth never to shut down ever.

>>155736261
>Araragi was a good nice boy when he was like a little kid.

According to Hanekawa, the Fire Sisters are a pale imitation of how Araragi was in middle school.

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>>155736261
This is why kids shouldn't be watching Kamen Rider

>>155735453

Fuck the Angelika theater for that.

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>>155736456
Why does it make you rapist?

>>155736484
Were they out there as well? I went to the Town Square Theater.

>>155735453
>>155736484
>tfw I was in the same room as these autists
Where did you guys sit? And why do so many mexicans like anime?

>>155736601
I sat in the very back at Town Square, the theater was really empty.

>>155736308
>nobody who gives a fuck about you
>no chance to just have a fun conversation
>this goes on for 598 years with only a couple brief, tragic exceptions
>finally someone to talk to
>you both have fun with it
Makes sense that she never stops.

>>155736582

Yep. I went in when when the theater was about a quarter full, and they were already out of posters. Which sucks because I already had a frame ready for it.

>>155736484
>>155735453
I got one? I dunno what you're talkin' about.

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>>155736601
>Where did you guys sit? And why do so many mexicans like anime?

It's San Diego, what else would you expect.

>>155736729
You lucky bastard.

>>155736758
At the Angelika theatre they had like, two left at first. But then they went off to the back and pulled out a huge pack of them. You just had to ask the people at the counter for one.

>>155736806
I did. Before the movie, and after. Did this happen after?

>>155736259
It amazed me how this never occurred to him

>>155736837
Right before. Like 10-15 minutes before the movie. They handed me the last one, then they went out and got more a couple minutes later. I saw them holding a big stack of them as I was waiting in line for a drink.

>>155736891

Damn, I wasn't meant to get one, it seems.

>>155736881
>I knew it from the start. I was just averting my eyes.

>>155736881

He's an idiot who doesn't think things through obviously.

>>155736987
Why do you bother correcting people, they're either retarded or shitposting.

Why didn't Araragi just like...ask Kiss-shot to only eat bad people?

>>155737038
Somehow the world still hasn't crushed my boundless optimism. Maybe I'm talking to anons who will actually learn.

>>155737084

Because she probably wouldn't comply? She doesn't care who she eats.

>>155737411
I don't know man, she seemed pretty fond of Araragi and it wouldn't hurt to ask.
I mean we know she wanted to die so she wouldn't have said yes, but he didn't know that.

>>155737084
Because even Araragi wouldn't agree with him. For him even bad people deserve to live.

>>155737411
She kinda does though. Kiss-Shot specifically eats the bare minimum number of humans possible to survive, which is half as many as is comfortable for a vampire.

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>>155735361
>movie poster sized set
Was LA the only state giving out actual movie posters apart from portrait boards?

I didn't get the chance to get the portrait boards. At this point I'm considering using pic related to create a custom poster or go authentic and try to order from the aniplex+ store to also get vinyl.

>>155737466

> She seemed pretty fond of Araragi

Doesn't mean she would have gone out of her way to find 'bad' people to eat, she didn't even give a shit about Hanekawa even though she was Araragi's friend.

Also this anon has a point too >>155737546 , Araragi probably still wouldn't be ok with him or Kisshot being the ones who deem someone bad enough to be killed for it, I can't imagine he'd think it would be within his ability to judge that kind of thing.

>>155737636

She eats the bare number of people, but like I said, I can't imagine she gives a crap about who it is, she probably just chooses at random.

>>155737715
Well, if she cares about reducing the number of human casualties, then she probably also cares about minimum impact on humanity in general. So she probably does at least try to pick people who will be missed less. Kiss-Shot is a lot less aloof than she pretends to be.

>>155737795

I think eating the least amount of people she can is probably the furthest she goes with it. You have to remember that Kisshot still had a pretty fucked up view of humanity before she met Araragi, to the point that she just expected him to let himself die so she could be saved.

Its obvious that, despite wanting to keep her killings to a minimum, she didn't care enough to, what, look through the backgrounds of the people she was targeting, or check out whether some random person living alone in an apartment had family or something, it's going beyond the point that she would give a shit.

>>155738204
The way she acts with Araragi when they first meet is not her acting normally. It is her desperate and depressed. Probably not a good thing to extrapolate the rest of her behavior from. Though, yeah, everything we're doing is just guesswork.

>>155738296

She was THAT desperate and still acted prideful and snobbish until Araragi started to run off.

>>155738330
That says how important her pride is to her, not how she actually views humans. As the series goes on, her prideful mask falls apart more and more. Some of that might be her character changing, but stuff like claiming not to remember Seishirou's name because that would be below her had to have happened earlier.

>>155738429

Even if it was her pride, that still means she wouldn't have gone out of her way to kill 'bad' people just because Araragi asked her to.

If her pride was so important to her that she would still try to act cold and noble when she's literally about to die, why the hell do you think she'd change or complicate her hunting pattern beyond just eating less people? To the point where she would have to investigate said people?

>>155738488
She can basically use any justification she wants to satisfy it. "Oh look, I'm being magnanimous. I'm so great." Boom she can treat people as well as she wants with her pride satisfied. The thing that's hard for her is going back on anything she's already decided.

>>155738571

At this point it feels like you're just stretching for excuses.

The whole pride as a vampire thing means that she would have to be cold towards humans, she could claim not eating as many simply due to lazyness. But going out of her way to investigate potential people, whether they lived alone, whether they had family or not, and if they were considered "bad" people, is such a stupidly tedious effort that she obviously wouldn't have bothered because making up an excuse like that would basically be meaningless.

>>155738691
Not really. I'm just noting what I've observed about her over the course of the series. I'm not expecting her to conduct extensive research on people. She could just find the nearest prison and eat the meanest looking dude there.

>>155738833

Considering that Vampires are apparently meant to be myths and shit, I kind of doubt any of them would be into a picture of them being flashed on every news channel in the country as a random person who busted their way through prison walls and ate someone, MULTIPLE times.

That seems like the kind of shit they'd call exorcists for.

>>155738898
She's a shapeshifter. Wall busting is unnecessary. It would be more like a handful of mysterious prison disappearances a month apart, then she has to go somewhere else because staying in the same place too long causes supernatural disasters.

>>155739002

Still seems more high profile than any vampire would like.

>>155739036
It's not like she really has anything to worry about even if she does get caught. The whole thing isn't nearly as hard or detrimental to her as you're making it out to be.

>>155739114
Anyways, we're getting too much into minutia. What I'm trying to say is I would not be surprised if Kiss-Shot was willing to make a token effort to only eat "bad" people and that a token effort would be generally pretty successful.

Though Araragi probably still wouldn't accept that.

>>155739114

For Kisshot at least what we can glean from her attitude in/just before Kizu, it does seem like too much of a hassle for her to bother doing, not specifically hard, just tedious when it doesn't need to be, eating only once every month isn't really a chore, investigating people and having to judge whether they're bad enough to deserve to get killed, or breaking into places that may draw the attention of exorcists, seems like something no vampire would bother with.

>>155739160

If Araragi wouldn't accept it either way then your whole point is moot since Kisshot wouldn't decide to do that of her own accord if she wasn't doing it already, which she likely wasn't.

>>155739175
I really don't think Kiss-Shot is worried about being high profile. There are already tons of legends about her floating around and she even mocks Yotsugi for not being in history books.

>>155739202
I'm not >>155737084. I'm just talking about Kiss-Shot's character.

Finally got my third poster, thankfully kapolei actually had them unlike ward

>>155735088
mad jelly, I got the first two but my theater ran out, maybe because there was a con the first showing. Whats the poster image?

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>>155740325
This is.

is anyone selling their poster? fucking figures that the opening is literally the week i go to japan

>>155740519
no

>>155737084
>>155737411
>>155737466
>>155737682
>>155737546
>>155739253
Because Araragi is a retard.

Kissshot is powerful enough to not even need to feed daily like low ranking vampires.

I think Kissshot only needs to eat like once a month or was it once a year.

Araragi could just let her kill and eat some yakuza member.

>>155739175
You know, even a battle junkie like Kagenui isn't really that interested in fighting Kissshot for real.

She likes killing immortal monsters but I guess Kissshot is a line she doesn't want to cross.

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>>155741203
I think in Kizu she said she needs to eat 2 people each year. Although I like Araragi as a MC (especially as an unreliable narrator), sometimes he just has brain fart.

>>155741203
hes way to self righteous to let her even eat scummy people like guillotinecutter

>>155741264
Yeah, even though Araragi is a moralfag, how does he have a problem with Kissshot getting drug dealers or murderers/hitmen off the streets, permanently.

>>155741264

I'm pretty sure she says she needs to eat at least one person per month.

>>155741203
Araragi would feel guilty no matter who got eaten so he wouldn't suggest it. Who is he to judge who is evil? Even then do they deserve death? Etcetera.

>>155741240
Kagenui seemed plenty interested in fighting Kiss-Shot to me.

>>155741264
I'm pretty sure it was once a month. I'd have to double check where I got that figure from though.

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>>155741278
But He had no problem with Ononoki killing the orogami guy.

>>155741278
You know Araragi is a hypocrite, right?

When Araragi saw Bird get blown in half by Doll, you saw how Araragi turned Rage Mode with his fingers in a Claw Like Form, ready to tear Kagenui into pieces.

So don't pretend that Araragi is a Saint.

That was one of the Rare Occasions we saw Araragu turn Full Rage Murderer Mode.

>>155741298

Because he probably doesn't think it's up to him to judge people like that.

Fuck, he's become friends with Kisshot/Shinobu even knowing that she's technically a mass murderer.

>>155741278
He still hangs out with Doll even though he saw Doll kill another human being right in front of him.

>>155741335
He did have a massive problem with it though. That was a major plot point in the arc. Stop playing LoL while watching Monogatari.

>>155741347

Considering the context of the situation it's not surprising that Araragi's reason was thrown out the window, and it's not really fair to use that as an example. We're talking about Araragi making a decision in a totally calm environment, not after he's just seen his sister 'killed'

>>155741388
He didn't tell Doll to fuck off forever from his life afterwards, though.

Like Doll is still part of his life.

>>155741388

He doesn't want Yotsugi to die for it though, he wants her to change.

>>155741417
He doesn't want anyone to die. That's the point.

>>155741335
>>155741374
he still looks down on it, hes doesnt condone it, where as with bat it was directly related to him, therefore in his mind it would be his fault.
>>155741347
i never meant to make him out as a saint. i think that as a human being hes a piece of shit who got his morality from watching too much shounen anime

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>>155741388
LoL?
I didn't get your point, but what I am trying to say is that he wanted to kill kiss-shot, but let Ononoki live in house. Either he changed or there is a problem in the plot.

>>155741451

He wanted to kill Kisshot, but he wasn't exactly in his right mind when he decided he would. Literally just before he was planning on killing himself, too. After Hanekawa/Meme tells him that there's an option for them both to keep living without getting more people killed (( and when Araragi has calmed down )) he agree's to it.

>>155741451
He didn't want to kill Kiss-Shot. He felt like that was his only option because he would be personally responsible for any more people she ate. You're forgetting that letting Yotsugi live with him was a condition of not making Kagenui try to kill him on the spot. He still hasn't forgiven Yotsugi for killing Tadatsuru.

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>>155741487
But he didn't take any action against Ononoki's spree (She killed one, and already attempted another (bird))

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>>155741519
Well, since I didn't read the further LNs, I can't argue with that.

>>155741451
kiss shot knew how to push his buttons at the time, i mean she has a direct connection with him, plus she wanted to get killed so why not piss him off to the point where he might actually off you

arararraraagi is just selfish as fuck and couldnt deal with the fact that by saving kiss shot people might die because of it. i think hes just conceded as fuck, like the whole fucking world revolves around his problems. save kiss shot because you want to, and whoever she kills after that is on her, not you. he doesnt ever blame kiss shot's dad for fucking her mom and the mom not having an abortion. his ethics is all fucked

>>155741560

> He doesn't ever blame kiss shot's dad for fucking her mom and not having an abortion

Because he wasn't directly involved with her at that time like he was in the subway, he could have just walked away and Kisshot would have died, it was only because of him staying that she was able to keep living and potentially keep killing people.

Besides, it's not like Kisshots parents knew what she was going to be in the future, she wasn't a vamp at birth.

>>155734900
>>155734965
hey I was there too what's up. was in the first seat on the left side of the second level

>>155741560
He does sort-of have a point about the part where you can't condemn someone for eating to survive. Therefore, the blame falls on him for perpetuating it. The logic is still pretty fucked, but not entirely baseless.

>>155741672
I find it kind-of amusing that, if you do the math, Kiss-Shot probably has probably caused the deaths of fewer people as a vampire than she did as a human.

>>155741711

Probably, but again, her parents had no way of knowing that.


> you can't condemn someone for eating to survive.

Honestly at this point the blame is still entirely on Kisshot for not just killing herself. I know she said she absolutely wouldn't do it when asked by Deathtopia, but really, she would have saved probably hundreds of thousands of lives.

>>155741711
i guess, maybe it's just the fact that hes the main protagonist in a mildly satirical, harem anime that his character is what it is.
>>155741672
nigga is just selfish beyond belief, hence the protagonist character traits

>>155741793
You must live in a fucked up world where you can say that someone is morally wrong for not killing themselves/letting themselves die. Sometimes people need to hurt others to survive and right or wrong don't come into play at that moment.

>>155741842

> where you can say that someone is morally wrong for not killing themselves/letting themselves die.

It's not a fucked up thing to say if she literally killed hundreds of thousands of people by just existing around them.

There's a point where your survival SHOULD come second to an insanely large group of people.

Even before becoming a vampire she was comparable to a natural disaster that would not stop until she died.

>>155741889
She doesn't lose her right to live just because she won the "fate is gonna shit on you now" lottery. I'm not gonna blame other people for trying to kill her, but I'm not gonna say she did anything wrong either.

>>155741889
nah, living things should do whatever it takes for their own self survival.
if you really want to live and it'll cost millions of lives, who gives a fuck. if they arent evolved enough to combat their demise then that's just natural selection..

>>155741973

> She doesn't lose her right to live just because she won the "fate is gonna shit on you now" lottery.

She doesn't lose her right to live, but she should have considered the option that her death could spare hundreds of thousands of innocent people. Her not killing herself or at LEAST trying to live as out of the way as physically possible from others ((instead of going on a journey through other lands, just creating a swathe of death behind her)).

Her choosing to stay alive and continuing to travel when her existence literally only causes death in others is extremely selfish, so yeah, she CAN stay alive if she wants, and obviously did, but one persons life =/= hundreds of thousands. If you had to choose between one or the other, which would you pick? Knowing that she will not stop travelling and killing people?

>>155742049
>at LEAST trying to live as out of the way as physically possible from others
I thought she decided to do that after a bit. I only read through that part once though.

>one persons life =/= hundreds of thousands
How many animals have died to keep you alive? Probably hundreds. You might say that your life is worth more than those but Kiss-Shot had a very good reason to say the same about the people who died for her.

>>155740298
Damn I should have called around more, I would have driven there had I known.

I feel like the splits the chose between the three parts could have been done a lot better, but it was still so great to see it all animated on the big screen. The fight was fun yet exciting, especially when it started to blend into full sketch animation. God Kiss-Shot was so pretty, Hanekawa really looks cute in that red tint as well.

Still loved when Kiss-Shot pulled out Kokorowatari out of her stomach and some guy upfront chuckles, then different guy nearby audibly grumbles "sigh, stfu its not funny". I don't understand how people can watch anime with others unless they are super close friends, seems so awful.

>>155742135
> I thought she decided to do that after a bit

Nope, she settled down from time to time, but always with the intention to keep journeying after a while.

> How many animals have you eaten to survive?

There's a pretty big difference between animals and sentient people, don't be wilfully stupid.

>>155742492
There's a pretty big difference between rabble and a saint.

>>155742135

> Kiss-Shot had a very good reason to say the same about the people who died for her.

And what was that? She had no special skill beyond being pretty, IF she ever found a cure outside of turning into a vampire, what makes her life more worthy of existing than all the innocents she knowingly killed?

>>155742528

What?

>>155742553
Probably the part where all her "victims" willingly decide that her life is worth more than theirs. Also, the fact that it's her own.

>>155742599

> Willingly decide that their life is worth more than hers

They're being bewitched by her soul beauty shit, it's not okay for her to keep perpetuating suicide because "lol they wanted to who am I to stop them?" Besides, Kisshot clearly knew that these people killing themselves for her was wrong, otherwise she wouldn't be looking for a cure.

>>155742492
I mean compared to a 500 year old vampire, what is the difference between a human and livestock? Why would she see humans as special, especially if its true that she forgot she was once human up until the fight? Shes just doing what her species requires her to.

>>155742660

> I mean compared to a 500 year old vampire, what is the difference between a human and livestock?

I'm referring to before she was a vampire.

>>155742642
She's trying to minimize casualties because she'd rather they didn't die. However, she's not in the wrong for having shit that's out of her control compel people to decide that they'd rather die for her sake than go on living and if everyone who dies decides that her life is worth infinitely more than their own, then she has a pretty good fucking reason to believe it.

>>155742725

> She's trying to minimize casualties

Obviously she fucking isn't, she's on a journey to find a cure for herself even though she KNOWS she's just going to cause people to kill themselves wherever she goes. If she actually wanted to minimize casualties without killing herself she should have stayed in her own country and tried to make a simple living for herself there, everyone thought the place was cursed so you aren't going to get much traffic through the land.

> if everyone who dies decides that her life is worth infinitely more than their own, then she has a pretty good fucking reason to believe it.

Except she DOESN'T believe it, she knows that it's horrible and wrong that people kill themselves for her, and yet she just keeps going on her journey.

What YOU think of the people killing themselves for her is irrelevant, SHE thinks it's wrong, and still perpetuates it.

>>155742804
>she should have stayed in her own country
She tried. Other kingdoms send armies after her, which all die.

>SHE thinks it's wrong, and still perpetuates it
She thinks that it's wrong, but that suicide would be a sin and thus worse.

>>155742688
Ah, I didn't read the novels, but I imagine it would be hard for a young girl to accept that your existence isn't compatible with the world and to just off yourself. I guess that returns to the 'well move to the north pole' argument, but if this is her human form, how would she survive outside of society?

>>155742843

She could try living literally fucking anywhere in the woods that wasn't near a town then, just somewhere that people don't travel through so she can live without killing people.

> She thinks it's wrong, but suicide would be a sin and thus worse

Again, Your life/afterlife vs hundreds of thousands of innocent people. She'd caused enough death at that point that she was likely going to hell anyways.

>>155742872

> how would she survive outside of society?

She'd been doing a decent job of it so far, she was living as a traveller out in the woods, even setting up in abandoned places to live for a while before moving on. It's not like she could go to the nearest town for supplies because everyone would just kill themselves, and she's apparently too fucking pious to intentionally do that and steal from the dead.

If anyone has an extra part 1 poster that they could be persuaded to sell let me know, my theater ran out for the first movie and now i only have 2 & 3.

>>155742898
>She'd caused enough death at that point that she was likely going to hell anyways.
You do realize that making moral judgements based solely on result and ignoring intent is a sign of brain damage, right? She's taking reasonable steps to minimize casualties while searching for a permanent solution. Is it absolutely, 100% ideal? Probably not. Is it a reasonable attempt? Yes.

>>155743041

> She's taking reasonable steps to minimize casualties.

Again, no. "Reasonable steps" would be attempting to make a life for herself as a hermit in the woods, that's pretty much the only reasonable way she could survive without killing people.

She may be travelling to look for a cure, but all she's achieving is the deaths of more innocent people, getting a cure would be a good end, but it's also the most bloody, she doesn't even know if there IS a cure for it, and to that end, she doesn't know if she could even get the answer off of someone without them killing themselves. The only person she knew with such magic was the witch, and even she killed herself after casting the spell, she had reasonable cause to believe that even magically trained people wouldn't be able to cure her, and yet she still kept travelling, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people, rather than trying to live out her life in solitude.

>>155743138
>why didn't a sheltered girl handle her curse perfectly?
>how dare she try for a permanent solution?
>she's evil for not killing herself
I'm pretty sure you're a sociopath.

>>155743213

> Why didn't a sheltered gril handle her curse perfectly

By the time she meets Deathtopia she's pretty accustomed to it, at a certain point it becomes reasonable that she would think about the best way to deal with her curse, as she obviously tried to do by finding a cure, however misguided that was.

> How dare she try for a permanent solution

When she knows that looking for this "permanent solution" is 99% likely to cause thousands more deaths and potentially not even be attainable since any magically trained person like the witch was who could even know the answer would kill themselves before she could find out, yes, how dare she, for someone as apparently smart and level headed as Acerola was, she did not think the situation through properly, which she would have had plenty of time to do while travelling alone.

> I'm pretty sure you're a sociopath

Really? I'm pretty sure YOU are if you think that your life is intrinsically worth more than hundreds of thousands of innocent people just because it's yours. That's seriously terrible.

>>155743292
Youre both wrong because you are entering philosophical territory where there is never a right answer. I would just ask, how many people have to die before someone has a duty to kill themselves? If I told you 10 thousand people would die unless you killed youself right now, would you do it? If you didn't, would you be evil for not doing so? What if it was 100 people? What about 2 people? Obviously when its say 100k, it seems much more deplorable, but in theory why should someone be obligated to sacrifice themselves for the greater good, whether its 100k people or 2 people? She wasn't intentionally killing anyone, so she would be sacrificing herself, not atoning or repenting. Shes not a moral or good person, but I dont condemn her because I know I wouldn't be able to just kill myself if someone told me it would save a thousand people but nobody would ever know or remember me for it.

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What's next for him?

>>155743647

This isn't about laying down strict rules in the sand about morality, all I know is that Acerola had killed hundreds of thousands and would have knowingly continued to kill in her journey to find a cure, when any moral person with half a brain would probably know that the better option if you wanted to keep living without hurting others would be to live alone and as far away from other people as possible, it may be a sad life for you, but at least you would continue to live and would likely not cause thousands more to end their lives because of you.

I might not end my life to save that many people, but I would NOT keep travelling in search of a cure that may not exist + that I may not even be able to find out from people who DO know before they kill themselves, and as an extention, I WOULD consider myself a bad person and I would know that the morally correct option would be to end my life or, as said before, live as a hermit.

> She wasn't intentionally killing anyone

But she was knowingly going to end potentially hundreds of thousands of lives to find a cure for herself, this is insanely selfish behaviour when she could potentially live out her life without harming others at the expense of her quality of living.

> She's not a moral or good person

Exactly. My original statement is that Kisshot takes pretty much all the blame for the deaths she's caused because she hadn't killed herself ((as an addendum, she never tried to live away from humanity, either.)).

Just because you or I wouldn't end our lives to save others, doesn't meant that it isn't a morally bad thing to do, or that you shouldn't be morally condemed for it. You and she and I should, because it IS a horrible thing, it's an insanely huge waste of life just to sustain your own, which is what I was saying she should take the blame for.

>>155741306
>Kagenui seemed plenty interested in fighting Kiss-Shot to me.

Talking shit to keep her face=/=willing to fight for real
Everyone, including the viewer knows what would happen

>>155743138
What's wrong with being selfish, who the fuck would want a life like that.

>>155744677

> What's wrong with being selfish

The fact that in this case, being selfish will result in hundreds of thousands of innocent people will die just because you don't want to try and live on your own.

Honestly your quality of life won't be that much better anyway, you're basically doomed to either forage as you travel (( and kill people )) and/or steal supplies from towns that you massacre.

Kiss-Shot decided to screw over the world because the world/fate decided to screw with her since her birth.

I completely agree that Kiss-Shot that what Kiss-Shot did was a terrible thing, but I can see how it's very hard to just off yourself. So in that case the best solution would be to live a life in complete solitude.

The people that died, the towns that perished are her fault, but I still can't find it in myself to put all of the blame on her. It's a fucked up situation.

>>155734716
I hope its better than part 1 and 2 anyway.

>>155734716
Seen at Japan, so I guess not today.

>>155745042

> but I still can't find it in myself to put all of the blame on her.

I can, she's basically entirely at fault after a certain point, by the time she meets Deathtopia, she's pretty accustomed to the curse and is apparently able to think calmly and clearly, yet she still chooses to continue with her journey to find a cure. It's her choice, but she carries all the blame for making that choice regardless of whether the situation is shitty or not.

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>>155735816

She didn't push hard enough, but see the commentary for Tsubasa Cat. It's more the problem on his side of his twisted sense of idolatry and lack of self-esteem than her pushing for a relationship because she hung out with him and bonded so much their whole class (including Senjou) thought they were dating. So much so that Gahara admitted she was planning to try to NTR Hanekawa back then when they talked privately in Tsubasa Tiger's epilogue.

Plus, it's even weirder to start a relationship with a girl who stapled your mouth open a little over a week prior. Hanekawa may have thought she had all the time in the world and lost the game, but normally, their is nothing wrong with developing your relationship as friends first before pursuing a long term thing. That might be the one normal thing in her mindset, and she got hosed by it. Which makes it even more tragic honestly.

Senjougahara and Araragi's relationship is always shown to be really odd, but working both because the series would be totally different narrative wise if it didn't, and because their prospective abnormalities fit where if they dated most other people, it would fail. But Nisio just shuffles most of those issues under the rug to preserve the coupling.

Was it just me or did the gym shed's ceiling look like a swastika? What was with all the Buddhist imagery?

>>155745990
I must have missed the epilogue of Tsubasa Tiger. I'll have to do a rewatch sometime. Also gotta read the LN sometime.

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Kiss-Shot Acerola-Orion Heart-Under-Blade, who had regained her full form for the first time since spring break, was once again sealed inside my shadow as a harmless 8-year-old girl by the name of Shinobu Oshino.

During spring break, she had been given no choice in the matter—but not this time.

This time, it was of her own free will.

She chose to seal away her own existence—and there was no lie or deception in that choice.

She who had refused to become a god 400 years ago, 400 years later… made the choice to become a little girl.

No, perhaps she really did have no choice in matter. After all, I, at the very least, can no longer envision a future without Shinobu in it.

Of course, that doesn’t mean we’ve forgiven each other. Perhaps in 400 years’ time, there will come a day when we can forgive one another, and a day when we can forget about everything, but for now, call it complacency or call it compromise, call it collusion or call it clowning, that’s how it is between the two of us.
Man Owari was a good read. Honestly after the 'main story' finished I am just in it for the relationship between Araragi and Shinobu for where it will end up. Honestly wonder how long Araragi will actually live for.

>>155748464

I dunno, sweet as it sounds, look deeper. He is pretty much trying his best to ignore the fact that he is setting himself up for two timing his girlfriend and soon to be wife in the current story.

It's a pretty sour taste, all things considered. I mean, with a mentality like that, why bother rejecting Hanekawa then? Gahara and Shinobu wouldn't fight it, just like they aren't fighting this.

>>155748878
Senjou is more ok with sharing ragi with Shinobu than Hanekawa would be, Hanekawa was against the idea of ragi flirting with other girls at all. It wouldn't have worked out well

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>>155735361
Went to the LA screening too, I was sitting in the upper left side of the theater. Lots of screaming at times, but nonetheless a fun time.

>>155749229
It's more like she can't do anything about it, she is not happy with it.

>>155749229

Well its obvious she does it for Araragi's sake, it's pretty telling that she and Shinobu never directly interact. But if she saw how Shinobu literally rubs his chest and is affectionate as all hell, it all comes out.

He might feel guilty on the inside, but he pretty assuredly two times. Hanekawa straight up asked him to go out with her with marriage in mind, so he probably knows Hanekawa is dead serious about her partner. No hit it and quit it, no pump and dump, no side chick's, a ring is on her finger or no putty tat for you.

>>155735466

>That fight

Shaft just unleashed their creativity in the best way, it was quite the spectacle, and I imagine we'll be seeing webms of it for years to come once the BD is out.

>>155754070
>draw a woman supposed to be beautiful
>she's not beautiful

>>155754102
>she's not beautiful
u wot

>>155736259
>>155736881

It did, he specifically says he knew, but was avoiding it.

>>155741278
>scummy people like guillotinecutter
Guillotinecutter was a good guy trying to protect people from monsters. That's why his death affects Araragi so much. It comes with the realisation that Kissshot is a monster who kills people and that Guillotinecutter was noble and genuine in his mission to destroy her.

>>155754467
He's right though. She looks quite ugly.

>>155755852
Get out faggot

>>155754102
Shaft clearly failed to do this. Cat looks much better than her.

>>155755852
>>>/3/

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>Araragi and Bat won't bang

Damn it.

>>155757021
Give it a few decades. They're pretty much ready to rip each other's clothes off.

>>155757327
I wonder if this is all a blue balls run.

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>>155757418
>blue balls run

>>155757021
>>155757327
>Karen at home
>Hachikuji on the streets
>gentle walks with Gahara inbetween
Give the boy a break, he must be tired 24/7

>>155735724
Araragi has a twisted inferiority complex towards Hanekawa. He doesn't consider himself worthy of her. Really a pity how he handicaps his own happiness.

>>155745990
>hanekawa
>losing

When is it possible to download this shit?
Here in fucking Denmark there is no fucking place I can go watch this.

>>155758533
You can't be happy with Cat around. That's the point of her character. She has a disgusting personality that becomes more apparent the more you're around her.

>>155758743
>She has a disgusting personality
I never understood this

Was it good?

>>155759384
Can't really speak for anyone but myself here, but any person that would willingly give up their life for someone they just met it the epitome of pathetic. That you'd value a strangers life more than your own just speaks of how little self-esteem you have.

>>155759384
The way I see it, Hanekawa would be the kind of person who'd always be 100% willing to go along with whatever you wanted, who would never express any preferences, and who would always make you feel selfish indirectly by just how obscenely selfless she tries to act. People also have a tendency to regard that kind of condition-less selflessness with a kind of suspicion. Overall, it probably would not be the most enjoyable relationship.

>>155761450
You can sacrifice yourself for a stranger in a way that is heroic rather than pathetic, but Hanekawa doesn't do that. It's more like she isn't even considering her own life at all. Theoretically she gets better about this later on, but it doesn't look like it's by much.

>>155734716
Going to the showing at the Alamo Drafthouse in Dallas on the 18th.

>>155741451

Kiss Shot has to kill to survive, and Araragi was directly responsible for her survival.

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>>155755852
Nigga I'll fuck you up

Is hat guy from Manville here? :)

>>155734716
I saw it with some friends yesterday. I really enjoyed it, but I think I liked the second part more. My friends didn't want their posters so now I've got two extra,

>>155764563
I'm still having a hard time ranking part 2 and 3, though I think I'll give part 3 the edge because it had fewer things that were noticeably bad as well as the climax of the arc.

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Help. I'm in love with Spooky.

>>155765861
Help. That's a great drawing but the artist murdered it with bad compression.

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>>155765975
Probably because of twitter. Too bad it's the only place to find rare art

>>155765861
She is too spooky for me but I love her voice
though now that I think of it every monogatari girl has a great voice

>>155766059
I know, but that style is screaming to be saved as a png. It would probably even be smaller than the shitty jpeg.

>>155766059
I heard that twitter compresses images on purpose.

Makes me wish twitter goes bankrupt already since they don't really make money so artists can stop uploading shit that will eventually be compressed on twitter.

>>155755683

He almost choked a high school girl to death just to get to Araragi.

No matter what type of leeway you want to give him, he's neutral at best.

>>155755683
Go to bed, Guillotinecutter

>>155766498
He was never gonna kill her, he was just faking Araragi out. If he hadn't done so, Kissshot would have eaten her as "rashions", remember? He was trying to save Hanekawa by getting to Kissshot before she got to Hanekawa.

>>155755852
Wrong.
WRONG.

>>155766598
Guillotinecutter, you lost, it's time to stop.

>>155761723

We know she does have preferences, and the issue is that people tend to be overawed by her primarily if they have large weaknesses, like Araragi and Gahara do. All you would need to do is talk with her like normal, it would be the same as talking with a friend who is smarter than you. If you accept that this is the case, and bring up that you want to hear more about her and try to just enjoy your time together, this will be alright.

The only way your relationship can fail is if you drown in self-conscious BS and never just be honest with her.

>>155762673

She is completely altruistic in her current state, but it's not abandonment of the self like it was before, she sincerely wants to help people and does so to great effect.

The problem is that she needs a partner who can help her know when to take care of herself too. Great activists tens to he workholics who neglect themselves, so they need strong partners. Nisio should stop ship teasing Araragi/Hanekawa already and find her a good guy or girl.

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>>155766977
>people tend to be overawed by her primarily if they (are human)

>>155766977
>Not a abandonment of the self
>Goes around disarming land mines in active war zones

No nigga, she's just as bat shit insane as she was in Kizu. Only now she was the Sawarineko to protect her some what. She's still this completely selfless being with no regard for her own life.

Also, it's not just people with large weaknesses that are wary of her. Oshino of all people thinks she's fucked inside the head, and he's probably the most neutral person in the entire show.

>>155754102
What the fuck in wrong with your eyes
And is she is not the most beautiful in the fucking movie then shaft fucking failed.

>>155757327
give it less

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>>155756120
>Cat looks much better than her.
no

>>155769516
I'm trying not to be overzealous. Shinobu might actually have the willpower to hold out until crab dies.

>>155734716
2>1>3

>>155769558
They nailed that rosy blush on the girls, fucking so adorable. Hanekawa has it as well, it made her ':3' faces that much better.

>>155734716
>Dude, boobs
>Theater explodes in laughter

saw it yesterday. holy shit did they play out that scene with the boobs. very well done. overall fucking awesome movie

>>155772921
Was that supposed to be a serious scene? What would have been the proper response? Silence?

>>155735626
I've never had to resist the urge to stick my hand in my pants in a movie theater before

>oh shit i'm not at home

there wasnt anything that played after the credits right? i had to bolt to poss right when they started

>>155772517
I agree with this.. I felt 2 was the best.. 3 merely served it's purpose tying up the story and providing background info as a series prequel

>>155773092
nope, nothing after credits

>>155773092
You missed nothing

>>155773045
A comedic scene doesn't mean you have to turn into a fucking sperg and start stomping your feet.

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>>155769558

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She is a miracle. Don't blame Araragi for not killing her. He did nothing wrong.

>>155772921
That scene pretty much weeds out who's a virgin or not.

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>>155756120/
did your theater provide braille subtitles for you?

>>155734716
Nah I'm going tomorrow in Boston

>>155734716
I just got back from seeing it at the Alamo Theater, guess which scene the employees walked in to give everyone there checks.

I loved the movie, im kind of pissed my theater didnt get the mini posters though.

>>155767349
You forgot that Oshino isn't completely neutral toward Hanekawa because she reminds him of Gaen who he doesn't like at all.

Hanekawa is a Gaen who risks her own body while the Gaen in real life rather make a deal to make someone else do the dirty jobs.

>>155766977
Hanekawa isn't even in her final form.

Only 2 out of the 7 Sins emerged from Hanekawa - the cat and the flaming tiger.

We need to see the 5 other felines eventually from Hanekawa.

>>155775776
I don't think Oshino has enough of a grasp on Hanekawa in Kizu to make that connection.

But he's wary of her from the get go.

Face it loser, you're waifu is crazy and will be alone for the rest of her life.

>>155735361
I know where you live and I'm coming to fuck you up faggot.

>>155774608
I can't wait to get screencaps of Araragi's fantasies of her.

Was anyone else disappointed in the art and the fact they spent 10 whole minutes recounting a backstory that got a full episode in Onimonogatari?

Wish Shaft had scrapped that dumb shogi show and poured more money into this because some of those scenes seemed to have been animated entirely in Malaysia.

>>155779673
No.

Saw it on Sunday in San Francisco. I sat in the very back. There were three people in front of me discussing Monogatari's aesthetics and Kimi no Na wa.

>>155779889
K then. Sorry for having standards.

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>>155780036
>watch all of monogatari
>get angry when Shaft goes stop-motion photo collage

>>155780112
I'm not talking about the direction which was good I'm talking about the way the characters were drawn.
They looked beautiful in the first two movies but part 3 had a bit more QUALITY and weird anatomy.
Still an overall good movie but I was never blown away by the art and design like I was in the first two. Didn't feel like Shaft was bringing their A-game now that all tickets are sold.

>>155780219
Well the first two movie flopped so maybe the staff wasn't all that motivated by how the movie box result were while they worked on finishing up part 3 since they knew it would flopped as well.

>>155780219
More of the animation stood out to me as wonky in part 2. The giraffe necks, blatantly reused cuts, and shitty way they handled Guillotinecutter's fight are bigger sins than anything I noticed in part 3.

>>155780430
>Well the first two movie flopped
Wow that sucks I had no idea. What are the theories as to why it did?
>>155780480
Weren't there more reused cuts in part 3? Like a full 5 minutes or so were flashbacks to the first two movies and the artistic disparity between cuts was pretty apparent to me. Didn't notice the necks in 2 but the faces seemed overall better.
>shitty way they handled Guillotinecutter's fight
Shit man you didn't like that? I thought it was awesome. Felt like another ode to 2001 along with the anasyrma segment. Then again I'm a sucker for abstraction so I might understand why others would want a more traditionally whacked-out fight like the first two.

>>155780430
That's not how it works.

>>155780681
>artistic disparity between cuts
Has been an issue since part 1. Maybe they got better or I got used to it. What really pissed me off was half of Kiss-Shot's transformation scene in part 2 looked gorgeous, then the animation quality took a nose dive the second she became a teen.

>reused cuts
Nothing was as bad as the Episode fight. I guess they were trying to accomplish something with it, but it just looked terrible.

>Gullotinecutter fight
The fight itself looked fine. Just the lead up to it and epilogue was rushed and incoherent. Plus the whole going super-sanic bit was iffy and Araragi looked like a noodle.

>>155780430
how badly did they flop in nippon?
like actual loses or just not making as much as anticipated?

>>155780915
>Has been an issue since part 1.
I meant the cuts between the new material and the old but I should really revisit the first two. I'd probably notice what you're talking about.
>Nothing was as bad as the Episode fight. I guess they were trying to accomplish something with it, but it just looked terrible.
Are you talking about the fight in general or just Shaft's spamming the cut of him laughing? Latter was hilarious imo.
>Araragi looked like a noodle.
This I can agree with but I'll give them a pass because he was in hyperspace or w/e.

Most of what bothered me in 3 was just the facial anatomy and some of the full body shots.

>>155781613
Giraffe necks and some QUALITY.
Nothing too terrible.

>>155774648
Elaborate.

>>155781784
Sounds like S1 in general.
>>155782043
I think he's implying people who laugh at genuinely funny jokes which happen to involve breasts are virgins.

Would it be weird to watch an anime movie alone?
>tfw it's showing at 7:30pm tomorrow at a theater 10 mins away from me
>tfw I have no friends

>>155782339
i saw all 3 alone and never ran into any trouble

>>155782454
Well alrighty

Didn't feel lonely at all? Did you see other lone watchers?

>>155782339
Brattle?

>>155782339
>watch a movie alone

Yeah. Really socially odd.

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You boys jelly?

>>155782579
Yeah don't even trip dude lots of weeaboos are lonely
Nobody's gonna run up to you and ask you who your waifu is

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>>155783295
I might be if I didn't have all three of them framed.

>>155783479
Where'd you buy the frame? Or did you custom request it?

>>155783512
Michaels had a sale on poster frames for $5 each.

>>155783621
Ah neato there's one down the street thanks
Now all that's left is thinking of an excuse for when my parents ask me what the fuck it is

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>Atlanta only had the showing on Friday and Saturday

I thought it was showing the whole week.

>>155783647
ehhh, movie poster?

>>155783901
Nah the fact that it's a cartoon
They think people over 16 shouldn't watch cartoons

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>>155783829
At least you're not too far away to reasonably go see it anon.
I have work and other obligations, the distance prevents me from having the time to be able to go see it.
Only got the first movie poster because a friend went and saw it, but I have no other ways to get the 2nd and 3rd posters.

>>155783927
Never will understand why it matters
As long as you're a functional human being who cares what you do with your spare time, if it were me I'd just ask why they should care

>>155784012
They're from the USSR they don't know better

>>155783946
You willing to sell it? I'll pay 80 bucks for it.

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>>155784298
I'm sorry I can't, I'll figure out a way to complete the collection.

>>155784374
Fair enough. Good luck with your quest. I've seen a couple part 3s on ebay. I just need a part 1.

>>155769558

Unless you have a preference for blondes, both of them with their hair down are equally gorgeous imo. Hanekawa is really beautiful if you get her to stop hiding in plain clothes and the traditional "class rep" look.

>>155785027

At least in reference to Kizu, Hanekawa's eyes look too plainly shaped compared to Kisshots, it makes her look more generic.

Besides, again, at least in Kizu Hanekawa = Cute, while Kisshot ((sans child version)) = Beautiful.

>>155776469

She would only be alone if Nisio just decides to have her be alone. Which I hope he doesn't and finds her a new partner. Would be surprising if it was a girl, but who knows.

>>155784374

I actually have spare part 2s and 3s.

What was up with the part towards the end were Kiss Shot looked fucking cross eyed? Hope that's fixed in the BD.

I wasn't sure what was going on with Araragi and Hanekawa. Did he really tease her and make her say all those things? Or was he just imagining?

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>>155772517
3 is the best, the rooftop scene, Kiss-Shot vs Araragi and storageroom scene. Feels good

>>155785526
Damn, seems nobody has part 1 posters. This is going to be hell for my collector's OCD.

I think the movies should've either just been a single longer movie, or had the fights spaced out throughout them, 1 fight per movie. And included more of the novel's narration somehow. They don't have to do it the anime's way of having long character monolgues or flashing text up on screen, but they should've included more information abot Araragi's inner feelings throughout the story, either through dialogue or just showing him act in ceratin ways.

>>155789261
I kind of liked it being more cinematically focused. It also gives me more incentive to read the novel, because it feels different enough.

Fuuuuuuuck friends I want to watch the movie and get a poster but I don't want to be a lonely phuk because I care too much what people think of me.

How do I make friends and ask them to watch an anime movie with me in 12 hours?

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>>155789988