What do Americans see in this man the rest of the world doesn't?

Someone to project their warped sensibilities onto.

Miyazaki and his films are well-liked the world over. It's only obsessives that either take his bitter comments too personally or just want to go against the stream that seem to particularly dislike him.

>>155562610
This sounds like a conspiracy theory all in your head to prevent yourself from possibly considering the fact there's people with actual taste disliking his movies out there.

A moneymaker.

>>155562610
>everyone who dislikes popular things are intentionally being contrarian
I'm pretty sure this is bait, but it's depressing that some people actually think like this.

>>155562695
I was thinking specifically of /a/ when I was typing that, but yeah, you're right, there are people that just don't like his films because it doesn't suit their tastes. I shouldn't have phrased it like that. Nonetheless, I would still say his films are generally well-liked beyond America and Japan, so OP's statement is silly.

>>155562907
>they just have the wrong tastes
again, you're going of the notion that his movies are actually good. Aren't you a tad delusional here?

>>155562944
The only 'objective' problems I can find in his movies is that he doesn't really know how to wrap up a story, but apart from that it is all just a matter of sensibilities.

>>155562944
I wasn't trying to say they had wrong tastes, I was specifically trying to word my post that I wouldn't be demeaning anyone for their preferences in film. Sorry if that's how it came across. All I meant to say is that assumption the OP's question relies upon, that Miyazaki is only popular in America, is untrue.

>>155562482
Are you fucking kidding me? Miyazaki is a living legend in Europe.
And for a good reason.

>>155562695
Or maybe you simply think you have good taste but instead have shit taste. They tell me it happens often.
>>155562781
Don't generalize, we're specifically talking about Miyazaki here. You don't like his movies? Fine. But if you go around saying Miyazaki is shit you're stupid.

His movies make me angry.

>>155562944
And you're going off the notion that his movies are actually bad. Aren't you a tad delusional here?

>>155562482
Monononoke Hima and Howl's Castle are his only good movies.
Spirited Away is overrated shit btw.

>>155563198
>Hima
Wow I sure fucked up there, meant Hime obviously.

>>155563183
They all revolve around the 'but life is worth living, anon!' meme but fail to deliver a reason for that because every troubled MC is getting saved by a deus ex machina.

>>155562482
Only good anime

And Cowboy Bebop (who is liked more by Americans/not popular in Japan)
And FCLC
And Dragon Ball Dub (falconer music is godly)

>>155563217
read the goddamn Nausicaa manga

>>155562944
>literally says that only Americans like Miyazaki
>accuses people of conspiracy theories for saying that people choose to dislike things because of their personal preferences rather than their nationality

>literally says that people with "actual taste" dislike Miyazaki
>declares people who say that it's ok to have personal tastes as delusional for disagreeing with him and then blames then of personally attacking him

Are you being deliberately retarded?

>>155563344
It's not the only thing he has ever worked on, you know.

>>155562482
I dunno, I have never watched any of his movies. Not even one.

>>155563217
>what is a fairy tale?
Fucking imbecile.
Miyazaki doesn't give a fuck about your meaningless life, he's just making movies.
If you don't feel heartwarm when watching his movies is because you're a shit human being.

>>155563529
>he's just making movies
>If you don't feel heartwarm

Pick one. Either he is making movies just because or he wants to convey something with them. Memezaki has stated multiple times that he thinks that life is ultimately worth living and he wants to tell his audience just that with his movies.

>>155563576
And your problem with this is...?
A lot of his movies feel half-made because of reasons I stated in previous Miyazaki threads, but that doesn't mean you can't have a good time watching them.
Sure, movies like Howl or Kurenai are quite half-assed but you can't say others like Mononoke or Kiki don't work at all on a plot basis.

>>155563576
>Either he is making movies just because or he wants to convey something with them
It doesn't mean he has to give you a reason to live, retard.
The enthusiasm and the courage of the characters in his movies should inspire you, you won't find any solution to your personal problems in movies.

How fucking stupid can someone be?
>Memezaki
Pushing the boundaries.


Welp, the true face of people who dislike Miyazaki has finally been revealed. They're obviously not worthy of being taken seriously.

>>155563217
Remember that you have like miyazaki so you can pretend having superior taste and that anime is bad but miyazaki is different because he is art. It works perfectly since years with people who don't even watch anime!
Even if things like Totoro or Kiki are just like one of those slice of life you can watch every season...

>Because every troubled MC is getting saved by a deus ex machina.
Not true at all. I mean:

>Ok, I'm gonna stop making war because war is BAD you know.
>We are sorry. Dont worry, valley faggots, we kill a lot of you guys but know we are gonna help you to rebuild this shit. We are sorry.
>Wow Porco! Lucky you that the pirates did not really take the children hostage, the fascists didn't shoot the women and in the duel with the american not even one bullet hit the public!
>Do not worry, you surely gain your powers at the right time to avoid an accident in which no one is going to die anyway.
>Dont worry girl, the bad guy is gonna betray the soldiers so you do not have to get your hands dirty!

Perfect plots devices every single time.

>>155563649
Watching them feels like someone trying to say something which is very important to them but lacking the ability to word it correctly. That being said, aside from the story his movies are a joy to watch because they feel alive, somehow. I mean, just watching how they usually animate simple actions and hands is quite hypnotizing.
The voice acting is great and the female characters are a breath of fresh air compared to all the fapbaits the industry usually churns out.
Voice acting is top notch as well. They more often than not sound like actual people.

>>155563651
Contain your autism, friend. I never said I expect his movies to give me a reason to live.

>>155563860
>Remember that you have like miyazaki so you can pretend having superior taste and that anime is bad but miyazaki is different because he is art. It works perfectly since years with people who don't even watch anime!
>Even if things like Totoro or Kiki are just like one of those slice of life you can watch every season...
No one has said that, retard, and you're too stupid to understand that people who usually say that are trolls.
>his movies are bad because they're not realistic!
Why do you have a problem with Miyazaki not making realistic movies? He can do whatever he wants, you know?
>>155564023
>Contain your autism, friend. I never said I expect his movies to give me a reason to live.
Yes, you did?
>They all revolve around the 'but life is worth living, anon!' meme but fail to deliver a reason for that

>>155562944
Just because you dislike something, that doesn't make it shit. What are you, a child?

>>155564110
Oh, you thought by anon I meant myself?

>>155563198
You fucking tasteless nigger Nausicaä was a fucking masterpiece.

>>155562482
>Americans
Everyone except bitter otaku love him

>I like Miyazaki and also seasonal anime
Is this allowed?

Hayao "I love little girls" Miyazaki

>>155564555
Everyone loves little girls.

>>155564392
It doesn't matter if you menat yourself or someone else, what you said would be wrong inn both instances.

>>155564535
You don't need anyone's approval.
The enlighted individual likes good anime, being it seasonal, ova or movie.

>>155564110
>No one has said that, retard, and you're too stupid to understand that people who usually say that are trolls.

Yeah sure, "trolls". You are just too young and stupid to see reality but since you like miyazaki that doesnt surprise at all.

>>155564580
He said it himself, you dingus. And even without him saying it, this message is so prevalent in all his works that even a toddler could see that.
I don't have an issue with the message itself, I do have an issue with how he tries to weave it in his work. He always needs a plot device for that.

>>155563097
Not really
Italian here and nobody knows Miyazaki here except for Heidi, and that's because it's set in the Alps
On the other hand everybody loves Go Nagai

Man, this thread is so lame. Shitposters trying to bait for replies by using controversial opinions, everyone accusing each another of being a troll and the use of passive-aggressive snark.

>>155564773
Not everyone with a different opinion is a shitposting troll. But since people are being conditioned into only accepting positive reinforcement and nothing else nowadays actual discussion happen less and less.

>>155562482
You know that he's internationally renowned, right?

>>155564645
>You are just too young
I'm 28.
>since you like miyazaki
I don't "like Miyazaki", I like anime as a whole. I'm not a fanboy like you.
>>155564699
That's YOUR problem, it doesn't make the movie bad or good, retard.
Thankfully not everyone is ignorant like you.
>>155564704
I'm Italian and I live in the Alps and I tell you that even people who don't watch anime and think it's for children know who Miyazaki is.

>>155565218
Must be a regional thing
People I've met and known think of Go Nagai or Akira Toriyama when anime comes up
Then Anno and Tomino

>>155565218
>That's YOUR problem, it doesn't make the movie bad or good, retard.

So? What's your point? Or do you want to tell me a movie is objectively good because the majority thinks so? Guess what, any experience is subjective and people experiencing the same can come to different conclusions. That being said, a heavy-handed approach is usually considered a bad thing when it comes to telling stories. A good story doesn't need a character inside the story tell you what the intention of the author is.

>>155565286
Nigger I've also lived in Milan.
Everyone and their mother know who Miyazaki is in Italy, his movies are in the theatres and on tv.
>>155565323
My point is that your, or his, critique is not a real critique.
The opinion of someone doesn't magically make a work good or bad.

>>155565323
I don't think anyone's telling you to like his movies, just to stop being an antagonistic idiot. Like, you're gonna have to get over the fact that he's popular and most people like his movies. If I were to go somewhere people talk about movies and start calling everyone out for operating under the assumption that Orson Welles is good, I wouldn't right or wrong, I'd just be a jackass.

>>155565286
People I've met and known think of Yu-Gi-Oh or Pokemon when anime comes up.

>>155565474
This.

Also Orson Welles IS good, just like Miyazaki. Orson Welles literally changed the way movies were made, whether you like it or not.

>>155565474
I said I enjoy them. The only thing I really dislike is him pushing a narrative that has no foundation in his works and that he needs to rely on plot devices to actually make it work.
Disliking a single or several aspects of a product doesn't mean 0/10. Also I have no problems with other people not caring as much about the aspects I personally dislike.
You have to learn that not everyone who disagrees with you is attacking you.

>>155562482
To many Americans (and some other Westerners) he is a messianic figure for making negative comments about otaku and modern anime, neither of which he knows anything about (just like his disciples don't).

>>155565859
>you are just too young and stupid to see reality but since you like Miyazaki that doesn't surprise at all
Among others. If these aren't you, then I apologize, that's who I'm aiming my comments at.

>>155565919
I think his criticisms of the industry are irrelevant to the mainstream. That aside, not sure how he could not know anything given that he's been working in anime since 1963.

>>155562482
He is a westaboo endorsed by Disney.

>>155565919
All otaku secretly know he is right

>>155565997
He's a westaboo? You know he's a big reason anime film broke away from the Disney pattern, right?

>>155565980
>he's been working in anime since 1963

except he does mainsteam movies and not on cartoons that sell few thousands copies tops

it's a different world and he criticizes otaku aimed shows that they aren't disney enough when they literally can't afford to and there's no niche to fill

>>155562482
Hayao "Everything that doesn´t try to be Disney is trash" Miyazaki.

>>155565919
Miyazaki cherishes life, nature and planes, among other things. What he dislikes about the anime industry is that the people working there don't observe life and human beings to get inspiration for their projects. Instead, they look at other anime and mimick them. Which leads to the point where anime are usually as disconnected from the real world as the otakus who consume them.

>>155565980
He stopped working on TV anime in the early 80s or so, and has been making movies in his Ghibli ivory tower ever since. The only way he'd be familiar with modern anime is if he watched it and also watched enough old anime to be able to make accurate comparisons. To be familiar with otaku culture he'd have to likewise immerse himself in otaku culture. There seems to be no reason to think he's done either of these things. Much like his disciples haven't.

>>155566043
>You know he's a big reason anime film broke away from the Disney pattern, right?
That was something that started with Astro Boy.

>>155566047
Where has he ever said something like, "they're not Disney enough"? Actually, he's a big detractor of the industry for that exact reason, as it's so unfair to animators. If you actually read anything by him you'd see he's sympathetic.

>>155566075
Yes, he says that. The problem is that he is wrong.

>>155562482
He's been marketed well as a leftist/feminist in order to appeal to western film critics. People don't realize that he's actually just an otaku who loves planes and cute anime girls.

>>155566117
How is he wrong?

>>155565859
>The only thing I really dislike is him pushing a narrative that has no foundation in his works and that he needs to rely on plot devices to actually make it work.
And I told you this is not an objective problem, it's just a problem relative to you.
It's not a realistic movie, why is it so hard for you to accept that he wants to say what he wants to say? You are obsessed.

I feel like it's not necessary but if I wanted to respond to your void criticism I could say that in his works a positive attitude can have the strength to rectify a negative person or situation excatly because of the superior value of positive things that's finally recognized by the antagonist.

Again, you don't like this? Fine. But if you start saying that he can't write movies like this because you don't like them or because they have no logical ground you are retarded.

>>155566087
Again, have you ever actually listened to him? I'd love to see you cite an interview where he behaves in the way you say he does.

>>155566043
This doesn't mean he wasn't influenced by them. That's how art works. You copy someone and add your personal touch.

>>155562482
>Watch a Miyazaki's movie
>The movie ends
>"That's it? Really?"

Everytime.

>>155566075
This.
>>155566117
No, he's not.

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/a/ hates him because he rightfully hates moeshit as it is the bane of anime. And the faggots here can't cope with it

>>155562482
fried chicken

>>155566176
The only point of comparison between Miyazaki and Disney that I can think of is that their movies are well-made and popular. Why do you think he copied them?

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I bet you faggots haven't even seen Miyazaki's magnum opus.

>>155566226
They don't even realize Miyazaki is THE king of moe.

>>155566152
He's stereotyping otaku as shut-in loners, even though they work professionally in various industries like anime and work together to produce doujin works, so obviously they're interacting with other people. Otaku are just the Japanese variant of nerds/geeks and are comprised of all kinds of people.

Late night anime doesn't consist of just stereotypical "otaku" anime, there's also shows like Orange, Rakugo, Amaama to Inazuma, Shirobako and Sakura Quest. Even those "otaku" anime can have real truths and observations in them. It's also really pretentious and narrow-minded to expect all anime to be based on reality.

>>155566226
Miyazaki's own movies are full of girls, and "moeshit" is just a meme.

>>155566226
I wish I had a/the source for it, but didn't he also dislike mecha because the protagonists operate machines they couldn't have possibly built themselves? Or something equally outlandish.
Some anon posted a bunch of quotes a while ago in a Miyazaki (or maybe Tezuka) thread, and those made him sound like he basically hates everything not made by himself.

>>155566157
Nothing is an objective problem. For a circumstance to be identified as a problem, there needs to be an observer that is able to do exactly that. A problem is a subjective judgement of a given scenario.
A story doesn't need to be realistic, but it is considerend bad story telling if you are not able to convey what you mean to say through the story itself. Again, I have no problem with the message itself, just that he is unable to deliver said message without any kind of deus ex machina.
I also never said that he can't write movies like that. He obviously has and was quite successful with them. That doesn't mean that there isn't room for improvement.

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>>155566298
>>155566347
Anime can be moe without being moeshit

>>155566397
The only meaning moeshit has is "this anime has cute girls in it, or at least I think it does, and I don't like it." That covers a huge spectrum of anime, which is nevertheless claimed to be all the same because it's all moeshit you see.

>>155566305
>He's stereotyping otaku as shut-in loners
He's not, though. His point, broken down to a single point would be is that anime characters don't reflect and resemble humans but other anime characters.

>>155566425
That point is wrong too for reasons already stated.

>>155566353
I'd recommend actually reading the interviews/writings that his quotes come from, context does wonders.

>Dude anime is art lmao xD

Senile old faggot.

>>155566423
Moeshit means vapid anime which has no appeal beyond being kawaii

Still better than haremshit and ecchishit though

>>155566461
And what qualifies as "vapid anime which has no appeal beyond being kawaii"? Anything with cute girls in it.

>Still better than haremshit and ecchishit though
This is just the same memeshit.

>>155566456
Yeah, that's why I wrote "make him sound like", and why I wanted a source for these claims.
But even if I found the thread in the archives, I'm not sure if one was given.

>>155566461
All three of those is why I watch anime at all. Only retards expect
>muh serious

>>155566448
No, you're missing it entirely. You can have your truths and complex topics but still have characters that are meant to be humans but aren't acting or behaving like one. Also, I'm pretty sure he didn't mean every anime that has ever existed and will exist in the feature. It was just a broadside against the industry as a whole.

>>155566488
Also, this supposes that there is something wrong with watching something just because it's cute. But why should there be anything wrong with that?

>>155566397
K-ON belongs on the left

>>155566488
Some anime with cute girls have intersting setting or themes

>>155566506
Then you are a shit eater

>muh serious
Just because I have quality standards doesn't mean I want everything to be dark and serious

>>155566489
A lot has been published in the books Starting/Turning Point, but you can probably try googling parts of the quote. Lots is available online.

>>155566506
I bet you also think you have superior taste to Narutards and fujoshits

>>155566530
Sounds like you're a normalfaggot.

>>155566357
>Nothing is an objective problem
Wrong.
>For a circumstance to be identified as a problem, there needs to be an observer that is able to do exactly that. A problem is a subjective judgement of a given scenario.
Will a tree disappear if a person is not looking at it?
You are simply witnessing the problem, doesn't mean it wasn't there before you noticed. Also not every person will recognize a problem or some will think there's a problem where there isn't one.
>it is considerend bad story telling if you are not able to convey what you mean to say through the story itself. Again, I have no problem with the message itself, just that he is unable to deliver said message without any kind of deus ex machina.
Ever heard of fairy tales? Good is good and will always prevail? No?
>That doesn't mean that there isn't room for improvement.
The only thing we agree on.
>>155566423
First "moeshit" is not a real word, if you didn't notice. Second the term has come to have two meanings, the first one being the one you've mentioned, the second one being "bad moe", whatever that might be.
>>155566397
Never said moe is bad.
I've spent all the thread stating that there are only good anime or bad anime.

>>155566568
Sounds like you have shit taste

>>155566560
I don't think I'm superior to anybody. I just want my preferences enforced and not theirs.

>>155566589
>I just want my preferences enforced
Because you are entitled

>>155566585
Sounds like you need to go back to MAL

>>155562482
anime start and finisher, the og

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>>155566305
>Otaku are just the Japanese variant of nerds/geeks and are comprised of all kinds of people.
That's what otaku were in the 80's, they were educated, nerd, professionals. Nowadays it's not like this.

>>155566568
>>155566605
>being this triggered
Stay classy, moeshitter

>>155566604
No. Because I'm out for my interests. If I felt entitled I wouldn't care.

Lately though there's been a.m clear increase in outsiders who think anime should be the same kind of dogshit as western media, so they can show it to their normie friends.

>>155566510
As I said earlier, late night anime isn't JUST "otaku" anime, and there's no reason why every anime should follow his ideals. Realism is not an intrinsically good thing and a lack of realism is not an intrinsically bad thing. Characters can also be realistic in some ways and unrealistic in others. The characters of Hidamari Sketch for instance aren't exactly like real people, but their behavior is not unrealistic either.

His complaints have no merit, people just like them because they support their own pre-conceptions.

>>155566519
According to who? Anything with cute girls in it can be called moeshit by someone. That's what moeshit boils down to: cute girls. Don't think that your favorite cute girl anime are somehow exempt, because they're not.

>>155566627
This image is cherry-picking, and the fabled otaku of the 80s were into cute girls, idols and porn too. They weren't all high-minded scifi fans who were Westerners in a previous life.

>>155566636
Yeah, I'm triggered. God forbid someone experiences emotion around an autist like yourself, redditor-kun.

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>>155566653
>Lately though there's been a.m clear increase in outsiders who think anime should be the same kind of dogshit as western media
Wrong, lately there has been an influx of shit eaters who think they are "otacool" for watching anime, playing Japanese games and having a waifu

>>155566684
There's been an influx of both.

>>155566458
>>155566506
>anime can't be art
You have to go back.
>>155566568
You are the non elitist normalfaggot.

Since when being a non elitist casual become the norm on /a/?

>>155566673
God forbid anime tries to be actually ambitious and not just cheep entertainment for teenagers

>>155566672
>This image is cherry-picking, and the fabled otaku of the 80s were into cute girls, idols and porn too. They weren't all high-minded scifi fans who were Westerners in a previous life.
Yeah, and all the cute girls shows and porn were better. Your point?
Look at Macross or Creamy Mami.
>idols
Anime otaku were never into real idols.

>>155566684
Nice Reddit-made image there kiddo. Really supports your point.

>>155566697
Anime should not be art. /a/ was never elitist. If you want elitism go on MAL and read how SoLs are like totally intellectually insulting and how too much tits is a bad thing.

>>155566709
>teenagers
You're projecting.

>>155566673
>>155566757
Do you have any arguments aside from calling people who disagree with you reddit?

>>155566787
Why are you under the impression that anybody's arguing with you?

Also thanks for confirming it.

>muh argewmints
Every fucking time kek

>>155566757
>Anime should not be art. /a/ was never elitist
Hahaha what
Get out of here newfag

>>155566575
>Wrong
Haha, oh wow. Sorry bud, but that is retarded. Tell me then, what is an objective problem? A problem is something that is in the way of achieving one's goal. A tree falling or not falling, hell, even the universe ceasing to exist isn't a problem as long as it doesn't contradicts what the observer wants to happen. The same situation, for example a tree falling can both be a problem and not be a problem, depending on how many observers are present and what their goals are. If you want to preserve that tree, that tree disappearing is a problem. If you want that tree gone because you want to build something there, the tree disappearing is crucial to get to where you want.
Without any observers, a falling tree is just that, a tree that falls down. It's a process without neither meaninig nor intention. There's no one there to pass judgement on the situation.

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4chan used to make fun of stupid weebs.

You are all a bunch of cancerous newfags.

>>155566684
This, whitout the "le" meme.

>>155566757
Spotted the nu-weeb
Shouldn't you be in reddit zero or Saekano thread?

>>155566750
>Your point?
I just said what my point was:
>The fabled otaku of the 80s were into cute girls, idols and porn too. They weren't all high-minded scifi fans who were Westerners in a previous life.

>Anime otaku were never into real idols.
There's no reason why someone can't watch anime and be into idols, and the whole concept of idols comes from real life anyway.

>>155566757
>Anime should not be art.
It's not a matter of should or shouldn't. It IS art.

>>155566832
Can you stop posting your retarded Reddit comics? It's blatantly transparent that you're the same person.

>>155566305
But otakus are shut-in loners. Just because they make few porn comics together doesn't mean they have a normal and healthy social life.

I think what he's trying to say is that anime is being reduced to escapism for shut in otakus. You can argue that al fictions are escapism, but really, just look at how much isekai and harem and other shits are around. Most anime are being produced so these otakus can feel good about themselves, and limiting themselves to that.

@155566814
Oh, so you aren't ashamed of resorting to lazy name calling?
you don't deserve another reply from me.

>>155566859
Nah, it's not art. It's entertainment.

>>155566865
>Reddit comics
That comic has been posted here before you came here newcunt

>>155566552
Found it. The quote was:
>In Japan today, animated TV shows filled with all kinds of fancy, robotlike ,mechanical creations are all the rage. I have certainly drawn lots of mecha, or mechanical things, myself. but the general theme in currently popular shows seems to be that the protagonist jumps on a giant machine he couldn’t possible have created on his own, battles the enemy in it, and then boasts about winning. I frankly hate these kind of shows.
The following bit makes it clearer:
>I don’t care what types of robots are featured. For me, in a truly successful mecha show the protagonist should struggle to build his own machine, he should fix it when it breaks down, and he should have to operate it himself.
I guess that's not an outrageous opinion to have, though "hating" shows tht don't do this seems a bit much.

>>155566879
>@
I'm not calling anyone names. I'm telling you to fuck off back where you belong.

ITT: Weebs prove Miyazaki right

@155566921
you won't tell others where to go newshit.

>>155566672
It's not about realism, friendo. It's about depth. Anime characters are more often than not but not always facsimiles of human beings, modified to appeal to a specific taste, streamlined assembly line products ready for consumption instead of living, breathing creatures that have their own goals.

>>155566900
I really doubt it. Also the sign of newfaggotry is posting shit that's been taken over by normals years ago, not saving one picture and then coming back years later to post it.

>>155566890
>it's not art. It's entertainment
Why not both

>>155566960
Damn you're autistic

>>155566903
Right, but now it becomes a rationalized statement of personal opinion, instead of the attack on otaku culture or whatever people like to make it out to be.

>>155566878
>But otakus are shut-in loners.
They are not. That was the entire point.

>Just because they make few porn comics together doesn't mean they have a normal and healthy social life.
They also make music, games and anime, and my point was that people can't be shut-in loners if they have jobs or work together on projects.

It's just pure dogma that otaku necessarily must be socially dysfunctional shut-in loners. There's no reason why that would be true.

>I think what he's trying to say is that anime is being reduced to escapism for shut in otakus.
It isn't, and if you actually watched anime you'd know that.

>>155566890
Anime is a combination of filmmaking, drawing and painting that's used for the same purposes as live action cinema, which everyone agrees is art.

>>155566958
>Anime characters are more often than not but not always facsimiles of human beings, modified to appeal to a specific taste, streamlined assembly line products ready for consumption instead of living, breathing creatures that have their own goals.
This is all wrong.

I wish people spent less time writing these inane theories on what they think anime is like and more time actually watching it. I wish watching anime was something that people in anime communities normally did.

>>155566945
>uses @
>doesn't deny he's from reddit
>calls me newshit

Convincing.

>>155566958
Good. Fuck real humans, if I wanted one, I'd go outside.

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>>155566757
Elitism has nothing to do with not liking tits, you stupid newfag.

You have to go back, cancer.
>>155566865
That's original 4chan content, newfag. Or are you a troll?
>>155566859
>>The fabled otaku of the 80s were into cute girls, idols and porn too
And? No one stated the opposite. I said that otaku now are not what they used to be.
Anime otaku are not interested in idols.

I feel like this thread is filled with shitposting trolls, people can't really be this stupid.

>>155566994
>everyone agrees
Well that fucking convinced me. You sure you on the right site?

>>155566890
Promoting mediocrity is a fine way to kill a medium.

The problem here is that you're limiting the entirety of anime to your perspectives and ideals. Anime is a form of entertainment. That will never change, but that doesn't mean the medium as whole is devoid of artistic qualities or potential. Art can be entertaining. Old Greek plays and stories are arguably entertainments, but would you say that none of them are arts because it's entertaining?

>>155566999
>implying you actually go outside

>>155567001
>And? No one stated the opposite. I said that otaku now are not what they used to be.
So you agree that otaku in the 80s were the same as now, except that otaku now are not what they used to be? Huh?

>Anime otaku are not interested in idols.
As I already said, the two are not mutually exclusive and idols came from real life in the first place. Also, I wasn't talking about only real idols.

>I feel like this thread is filled with shitposting trolls, people can't really be this stupid.
How am I shiposting? How am I a troll?

>>155567024
What are you talking about?

>>155566903
I understand where he's coming from. I still don't agree with him, the magic of animation is that you can bend the rules of reality to create content that couldn't be created in another way.

Take Gurren Lagann as an example. Say what you want but it's entertaining to watch people fight in space with robots of the size of a galaxy.

>>155566994
>This is all wrong.

It's not. Again, not even Memezaki himself is saying that every single anime is like that. But if you look at many, many shows, this is true. Not all, but many. Nobody behaves like that. Even if you have interesting characters, they usually get injected with tropes and pressed into a pattern to make them more like the other anime characters out there.

>>155567001
m8 just because you're reposting decades old shit that various normalfaggot websites stole before you even came here doesn't mean you don't have to go back to Gaia or whatever the fuck

>>155567046
I'd rather kill it then.

>>155567001
Give up, this board is full of too many braindead idiots who think anime is just for jerking off to.

>>155567054
I wasn't implying that actually. Learn to read fucktard.

>>155566305
The thing is that the climate in the 70's while still seing themselves strictly as professional in their attempt to surpass the previous generation took up a certain the doing it for the art attitude. The creators that grew up obsessed with those people and their workof thought "We can be artists too" and made works that reflected their own vision of the world. They identified themselves as "fans" and prided themselves on it. They saw themselves as artists and wanted to share their pride. This resonated with a specific part of the audience that like them was the obsessive fandom. It told them that being an obsessive fan was something to be proud of. "Otaku can be artists too. Otaku can create art for otaku." If you were an obsessive fan of something that was enough to make you an artist, being an obsessive fan of something was a good enough excuse to create content about it. In this process the whole doing it for the art thing was lost.

>>155567090
>It's not.
It is, but I guess since you don't actually watch anime you wouldn't know that.

>Even if you have interesting characters, they usually get injected with tropes and pressed into a pattern to make them more like the other anime characters out there.
Everything is a trope, therefore nothing is. The patterns are almost always something that "viewers" like you force characters into. You are also assuming that every anime has to follow the conventions of Western high drama.

>>155566994
But then otakus who produce cool shits are too far and between. Most of them happens to be someone professional or tries to be one in their field who happens to like anime.

You can't say things like "otakus aren't shut in" without being every single otakus in this world, and many otakus proved themselves to be shit in hikikomori NEETs surviving of off their parents.

>>155567092
No. It's also for moe, meme character archetypes, bubblegum pop music and reaction images.

>>155567110
Aren't you ashed of being a disappointment to your parents?

>>155567088
But why would you bend the rules of reality to make something much simpler like reality? Unless it serves the narrative or whatever, of course.

>>155567125
Good. Fuck art.

>>155567091
Stop embarrassing yourself newfag

>>155567142
Because simplicity is predictability and thus comfort.

>>155567091
>I'd rather kill it
Not an argument

What makes you so wise and thoughtful that anything you say is right and the whole anime industry should revolve around you?

>>155567125
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

>>155567131
>But then otakus who produce cool shits are too far and between.
I don't see how.

>You can't say things like "otakus aren't shut in" without being every single otakus in this world,
But you can somehow say the opposite?

>many otakus proved themselves to be shit in hikikomori NEETs surviving of off their parents.
I never said otaku are a monolithic group.

>>155567091
>>155567158
>being this anti-intellectual

>>155567162
Or what? You're gonna post more pre-Boxy maymays that you found on r/memes when you were 15?

Fuck off.

>>155567088
Gurren Lagann, to use your example, isn't quite the type of show he's criticising, I don't think. It has that human component where, instead of being a braggadocios showcase of how cool robots are, it's Simon's confidence and will to succeed that win the fights.

>>155567196
Do you think being otaku is cool? Yes or no.

>>155567198
Intellectuals are just idea peddlers. They're scum of the highest order.

>>155566986
If you misconstrue it, you can read whatever you want into it, e.g. "he hates mecha, I like mecha, therefore he hates me/otaku".
But of course that's dishonest, much like the use of this quote to make him seem like an old coot who basically hates everything and therefore his opinions irrelevant.

>>155567242
>Yes or no.
No, we are not playing this game.

Being an otaku may or may not be cool.

>>155567226
Good job proving his point

>>155567127
>You are also assuming that every anime has to follow the conventions of Western high drama

No. I don't want a perfectly choreographed drama with perfect timing and execution. But I do want characters that could fool me into believing that they actually might exist somewhere. I don't want a main character and I don't want a love interest, for example. I don't want a character that is written just to serve a specific role. The characters should write the story, that's all I want.

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>>155567058
>How am I shiposting? How am I a troll?
Who said I was talking about you?

I mean that otaku now aren't educated and aren't professionals anymore.

>I wasn't talking about only real idols
Nigga, I cited two idol shows myself.
>>155567091
I saved them all on 4chan long ago. Stop projecting, newfag.
>>155567092
I can't.

>>155567251
>NEET otaku calling others scum
Have some self-awareness, holy shit

>>155567242
Of course not. And neither should it be lest we have fags wanting anime to be art.

>>155567253
Exactly, that narrative is really frustrating for me, as a fan of his.

>>155567275
>But I do want characters that could fool me into believing that they actually might exist somewhere.
Then you're either going to have to limit yourself to very few anime or just stop watching altogether.

>>155567277
>Who said I was talking about you?
You said it right after responding to me.

>I mean that otaku now aren't educated and aren't professionals anymore.
So an otaku who graduates from art school and works in the anime industry is not educated and not a professional?

>Nigga, I cited two idol shows myself.
Then what's the problem?

>>155567270
Thanks for making a shitpost
>>155567277
No you didn't. You're just a faggot outsider pretender.
>>155567294
Project more kiddo.

>>155567275
I hope fags like you get purged some day.

>>155567187
But then you'd only need to tell a simple story and not have one-dimensional characters. Sherlock Holmes was something that did this mostly right.

>>155567344
>dude if you don't like shitty otaku pandering trash you're gay
Kill yourself

>>155567356
No. Why have complex characters when I can have ones that pander to me, sexually or otherwise?

>>155567376
>otaku pandering trash
This doesn't exist.

>>155567324
Why are you still replying? If you don;t have anything to add to the conversation and are just gonna throw buzzwords and insults then shut the fuck up.

>>155567142
Because you can? Animation lets you do whatever you want.
>>155567230
Yeah, who knows what he thinks about it, it's definitely not a physical robot which Simon has built with the sweat of his hands.

>>155567376
>>155567401

Eat shit redditors.

>>155562482
miyazaki is like a brand
it's kind of the same with spielberg or cameron it's a household name and you know what you're getting in a film from them

>>155567394
t. braindead otaku

>>155567413
Kill yourself

>>155567321
>Then you're either going to have to limit yourself to very few anime or just stop watching altogether.
Not really. There are glimpses of what I want every now and then and that's usually enough to keep me interested.
>>155567344
I bet you wish you would get an upvote for that.

>>155567417
Pandering is just narcissistic projection on your part. "I don't like this, therefore the creators were pandering."

This thread is really interesting, people are actually trying to have a conversation while 3 autsts screech at each other.

>>155567405
I think his concerns were less about protagonists literally having built the robot, and more about it being a sort of wish-fulfillment fantasy disconnected from any "human" aspect. That's a kind of underlying theme in his critique.

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>>155567413
>>155567324
God, you're pathetic

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>>155567394
>nobody creates stuff that specifically panders to one of the larger parts of the target audience

>>155567449
>Not really. There are glimpses of what I want every now and then and that's usually enough to keep me interested.
"Glimpses of what I want every now and then" means the same thing as "very few anime."

>>155567495
Again, this is just narcissistic projection on your part. You don't like something and so you think the creators couldn't possibly like it either.

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>>155567321
>You said it right after responding to me.
It was another paragraph aimed at those people.
>>155567324
>No you didn't. You're just a faggot outsider pretender.
Yes, I did. Stop projecting.

>>155567449
Of course, because it's me who's a retard elitist, not the fags trying to push their retarded redditor and MAL views of good anime on everyone else.

>>155567196
>I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
That art made by otaku nowadays is not art.
Artists in the 60's and 70's were motivated by trying to create something that surpassed the technical aspects of the medium.
Artists of the of the 80's and 90's strove for genuine self expression.
Nowadays everything about the industry is a mastrubatory exercise.

>>155567393
Because deep down you actually want that.
>>155567405
>Animation lets you do whatever you want
Exactly that's why it carries an obligation to make it the best it could possibly be. If I could have it my way, at least.

>>155567493
Cry more outsider scum

>>155567577
You're projecting again.

Tits and Moe > Art

>>155567567
>That art made by otaku nowadays is not art.
Of course it is.

>Nowadays everything about the industry is a mastrubatory exercise.
No it isn't.

I have never understood why everyone got a hard on for this guy. His movies are mediocre, formulaic and therefore predictable. All of them are boring as hell.

Why does his opinion matter?

>>155567567
"Masturbatory" sounds good to me.

>>155567478
Then he used some very specific words for a generic concept.
>>155567457
Not him but it's not hard to be able to tell something is fanservice even when you like it.

>>155567579
I give up, I don't have more time to waste with braindead morons like you
I'm going to watch some anime now.

>>155567632
"Fanservice" is not pandering either, unless you can prove that's what the creators were doing.

>>155567638
Good. And stay out.

>>155567532
>"Glimpses of what I want every now and then" means the same thing as "very few anime."
Oh well.
>>155567551
Actually you're just retarded.

>>155567603
You just don't know what you want, anon. Here, let me show you the way.

>>155567579
Keep proving his point.

>>155567651
>"Fanservice" is not pandering either
Doesn't the word "fanservice" mean exactly that? Unless you forgot what it means and read it as "T&A".

>>155567603
Tits are art.
Except your mum's, that's probably why you're confused.

>waaahhhh he's not a retarded drone who only wants fanservice therefore he doesn't want naked girls in anime
As always, for /a/ things can only be either black or white. Why are there so many ignorant idiots?

>>155567715
>T&A
Has there ever been a more reliable indicator or redditry?

>>155567603
Grow up

>>155567715
"Fanservice" is a misnomer to begin with. Sexuality in manga and anime etc. is normal in Japan and there is really no distinction between fans and creators, so it's not the case that sexuality only exists to "service" or "pander" to the fans.

>>155567727
Because you should go back and take your le funni quips xD with you

>>155567603
You don't know what projecting means retard

>>155567735
>anons telling me what reddit is like
I would not know because I don't frequent reddit.

>>155567457
I can like something and think it was pandering or dislike something and think it wasn't pandering. Where does that fit in your theory?

>>155567739
That's rich coming from a teenage redditcuck

>>155566653
>>155567324
>>155567579
>this retarded obvious newfag is calling others outsiders
Top kek

>>155567751
Keep in mind that everything that happens in a fictional work is entirely intentional.

>>155562482
Even my fucking dad liked Spirited Away.

Not 'murican, of course.

>>155567735
>redditry
>>155567791
>redditcuck
Jesus Fucking Christ, this is not even human language anymore.

>>155567761
Holy shit, you're mad

>>155567785
Even if you are a special snowflake, you still have to prove that pandering occured.

>>155567798
What about it?

>>155567771
There's so many of them here, it's hard not to learn.

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>>155567735
>redditry

>>155567817
I am mad yes. Does that confuse a retarded sperg like you?

>>155566960
>>155566865
fucking kill yourself nigger

>>155567849
Why? You saying it's okay to be a redditor, redditor-kun?

>>155567864
Or what? You gonna downvote me?

>>155567651
Yes, it is.
If you read To Love Ru there can be no fanservice because the "story" is a vehicle for erotism but if you read something like Death Note and suddenly L washes Kira's feet then you can immediately tell it's fanservice.

>>155563136
> You don't like his movies? Fine. But if you go around saying Miyazaki is shit you're stupid.

exactly.

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>>155567735
>redditry
Has autism gone too far?

>>155567923
How do you know it's fanservice? How do you know the author didn't include that scene because he wanted to? Why are you even assuming fanservice in manga and anime, where sexuality is normalized?

>>155567751
Fanservice is not only about sex. Anything that was put in with the sole purpose to please fans is fanservice. Fanservice is not bad per se. Originally it was just a nod of acknowledgement from the creator.
But when your entire production is only marketable and has no other assets than trying to please fans that doesn't make it very valuable.

>>155567931
He's shit and he can eat shit. Can't keep whining about otaku with his faggot mouth full of it.

>>155567822
>What about it?
That behind every frame there's a meaning to be found. You can never tell for sure what exactly the intention was because you can't look into the minds of the people who created the show, but usually it's not too hard to tell what it was.

This thread has devolded into a cesspool of people calling everyone else names.

What the fuck happened?

>>155567958
>Fanservice is not only about sex.
Nobody actually believes this.

>>155567979
By default, anime has no fanservice. If you think something is fanservice you have to prove it.

>>155567954
>How do you know it's fanservice? How do you know the author didn't include that scene because he wanted to?

That's not mutually exclusive, you know.

>>155562695
>>155567975
Eat shit stupid otaku

>>155567951
I think Reddit has gone too far.

>>155567958
>it's marketable
>it's not valuable

Literal retard detected.

>>155568010
>Nobody actually believes this.
Yeah, I know that everyone here is underage.

>>155568034
kek you mad

you mad otaku got this industry by the balls?

>>155568028
By "wanted to" I obviously mean he (or she) included it for his own sake.

>>155567975
there's a difference between not liking something and thinking it's worthless

making an opinion about someone's work based on his opinions is even more retarded.

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>>155567735
>redditry

>>155568010
>By default, anime has no fanservice.
Neither the anime nor the team that creates it exists in a vacuum. Everything influences everything and the people doing the show might very well be happy to give their fans a treat every now and then.

>>155568095
As I just said:
>By default, anime has no fanservice. If you think something is fanservice you have to prove it.
You want to accuse someone of fanservice? Then prove it.

>>155568065
You're projecting again.

>>155568077
His works are shitty Western ripoffs. He's not even responsible for half the shit in """"his"""" works.

>>155567954
>How do you know the author didn't include that scene because he wanted to?
And that would not make it fanservice because?
>>155567958
Exactly.
Take the Souls series or the Simpsons, they've become so self-referential that they're not good anymore. Or not as good as they used to be atleast, in the case of the Souls series.

>>155568115
>His works are shitty Western ripoffs.
How?

>>155568122
>And that would not make it fanservice because?
Because it wasn't included just for the sake of the fans, but because the author himself liked it and wanted to put it in.

>>155568076
Making others happy is not necessarily entirely altrusitic because most people like it when others are happy with what they're doing.

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>>155562482
>What do Americans see in this man the rest of the world doesn't?
Americans love his generic animated films. There's nothing particular that stands out about them. The animation, designs and stories are all so by the book that it doesn't offend casuals.

We've got a saying here in America: Miyazaki is Japanese Disney.

>>155568161
God forbid the fans get what they want.

>>155568189
God forbid that people include sexual content in a a work for reasons other than "servicing" fans or "pandering" to them.

>>155568189
True art is not pandering, pandering kills artistic freedom.

>>155562482
Colonel Sanders.

>>155563136
>But if you go around saying Miyazaki is shit you're stupid
But it's shit though

>>155568211
Yes. I want to not feel cucked. Sexuality should be thrown out unless it's for my amusement.

>>155568112
Your definition of fanservice doesn't exist. The way our brains work won't allow you to do something that just benefits others and not yourself.

>>155568227
Fuck art then and fuck your freedom.

>>155568249
>cucked
Please get the fuck out of here

>>155568249
Your amusement is not only irrelevant but also completely unknown to the industry.

>>155563136
>we're specifically talking about Miyazaki here. You don't like his movies? Fine. But if you go around saying Miyazaki is shit you're stupid.

Miyazaki IS shit. He's the best example of someone who is really skilled at playing the industry (getting funding and publicity) while making very mediocre works artistically. He's a businessman more than an artist.

>>155568280
After you.

>>155568281
I would beg to differ. My and others' amusement is what keeps the prole scum animators employed.

>>155568272
I don't know what you're talking about anymore, but again: you want to accuse someone of fanservice? Then prove it. It's that simple. You make an accusation, you prove it.

>>155568239
>>155568300
>you share a board with people like this

>>155568310
Again, your amusement is irrelevant and unknown to the industry. You're random Westerner #3214868345. You don't matter.

>>155568340
Yeah it's not like I buy shit. Nope.

Retard.

>>155567979
>That behind every frame there's a meaning to be found.
At least for a work with good writing.
You are right but you're wasting time with these plebs.
>you have to prove it.
Facts prove themselves.
>>155568077
You are also right but the same as above applies.
>>155568161
>Because it wasn't included just for the sake of the fans, but because the author himself liked it and wanted to put it in.
Doesn't mean it's not fanservice, does it?
Fanservice is not a bad thing per se. Bad writing is a bad thing and randomly inserting fanservice in a story is bad writing.
I said L washing Kira's feet is fanservice, I didn't say it's bad writing. Considering how the scene happens just before L's death it's obvious it's there to symbolize how close these two people has grow and the duality of their relationship. Still I think it could have been done i another manner that didn't involve L to touch Kira's feet.

>>155568337
It's disgusting to think /a/ has fallen so low that we have to share a board with Ghibli plebs.

>>155568357
Your act of purchasing something does not communicate your personal concept of amusement to the industry. It only communicates that you bought something.

>>155568337
Stop sharing it then and fuck off to MAL.

>>155568337
>You share the board with people that have different opinions
Really makes you think

>>155568379
Good. Means they know I buy a lot of smutty shit. I like that they know that.

>>155568378
>>155568384
Fuck off to your waifubait circlejerk threads
>>155568391
Fuck off to /pol/

Fucking retards

>>155565919
>is a WW2 plane otaku
>hates otaku
What did Miyazaki mean by this?

>>155568424
No.

>>155568373
>Doesn't mean it's not fanservice, does it?
Why is this so complicated for you people? I am obviously and clearly making a distinction here between doing something for the sake of others (fanservice) and doing something just because you personally like it.

If you want to accuse someone of fanservice, prove it. It's that simple.

>>155568409
You're just a statistic.

>>155568424
>waifubait
Doesn't exist.

>>155568378
>>155568384
>hating Miyazaki while defending otaku pandering
You are subhuman

>>155568450
Good. Statistics are nothing without datapoints like me.

>>155568457
>otaku pandering
Doesn't exist.

>>155568450
>moeshit doesn't exist
>otaku panderrng doesn't exist
>waifubait doesn't exist
Imagine being this deluded

>>155568311
Why not turn this around? If you accuse someone of acting on their very own wishes and nothing else, you have to prove it.

>>155568457
And you're a redditor, which is far fucking worse.

>>155568473
I have no idea why you're still continuing this. Why did you ever even think in the first place that you, personally, as an individual, matter to the industry?

>>155568481
Imagine believing something exists just because people say it does.

>>155568492
I'm not "accusing" anyone of anything. There is nothing wrong or abormal about sexuality in anime.

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>>155568239
>>155568300
>Miyazaki is bad meme

Jesus christ, when will it end?

>>155568424
>Fuck off to /pol/
This is the people you share a board with

>>155568481
Imagine thinking that those are bad.

>>155568494
>you're a redditor
I am not, stop projecting retard

>>155568424
>>155568457
>can only use ad hominem about waifushit
Dumbass, I have nothing to do with that. You're a fucking pleb.

>>155568514
Miyazaki is a senile elitist retard with no value to him besides his name.

>>155568450
> doing something for the sake of others
That's something you literally can not do. If you don't get anything out of it yourself, you won't do it.

>>155568450
>I am obviously and clearly making a distinction here between doing something for the sake of others (fanservice) and doing something just because you personally like it.
I'm telling you they can be one and the same thing.

>everything I disagree with is reddit!
Am I on /tv/?

>>155568514
He's not bad, but the best movie by Ghibli wasn't by him and I haven't really enjoyed anything by him immensely. He's pretty much on the same level as Pixar and all things considered definitely overrated as one of the few anime-related people even known in the west.

>>155568373
>>Because it wasn't included just for the sake of the fans, but because the author himself liked it and wanted to put it in.
>Doesn't mean it's not fanservice, does it?
Not that anon, but doesn't the word "fanservice" imply an intention to do something for someone else, i.e. the fan, to you?
There might be a case where an author legitimately thinks "putting in this scene of the main heroine bathing makes sense, because she will have X thoughts while relaxing in the bath. Yup, nothing about it". In that case the author possibly did not include this scene with fans in mind who like nudity, and then it isn't fanservice?
If it's about intention (which the word implies to me), then that one anon is technically correct about his claim that you have to prove it's fanservice in the first place. But maybe that's a pedantic view, I won't judge.

>>155568538
>You're a fucking pleb
At least I'm not a retarded otaku like you

>>155568583
Just because you're too retarded to actually spot redditors, doesn't mean others are.

I like this Miyazaki hates moeshit meme.
This old faggot contributed and kick-started the whole trend with Kiki. He is also a confirmed pedophile. Kind of ironic that burgers are trying to use him to champion the anime is bad narrative.

>>155568564
I'm not interested in your attempts at philosophy.

>>155568579
In such an instance there is no reason to call it fanservice, and in any case if you are saying someone is engaged in fanservice you must prove it.

>>155568424
Considering this post is just a collection of angry buzzwords I'm assuming you're actually a Miyazaki shitter trying to give the defending side bad rep. That said, he's average at best.

>>155568521
They are.

>>155568660
Nah. They're the best things about anime.

>>155568521
>>155568660
>>155568671
They don't exist.

>>155568619
How the fuck can you be so obsessed?
How the fuck do you know so much about a site you never visited?
Kill yourself you autist

>>155568510
>I'm not "accusing" anyone of anything
You don't have proof but you come to the conclusion that acting on their very own accord and nothing else is why they did it.
If you want to go into semantics, 'accusing' someone of fanservice makes no sense either because it's neither wrong nor illegal to do that.

>>155568687
This normie is confused.

>>155568680
You don't exist.

>>155568619
Imbeciles like you who scream reddit at everything ruined this board more than actual redditors ever would

>>155568702
>You don't have proof but you come to the conclusion that acting on their very own accord and nothing else is why they did it.
Again, sexuality is normal in anime and manga and similar media. Westerners exoticize and mystify it because they can't accept it.

>If you want to go into semantics, 'accusing' someone of fanservice makes no sense either because it's neither wrong nor illegal to do that.
Many people think it's wrong.

>>155568717
>normie
Fuck off to /r9k/ scum

>>155568754
This is not a joke. I am stating, with perfect seriousness, that those things don't exist. People only think they do.

>>155568642
>I'm not interested in your attempts at philosophy.
Neither am I tbqh but you started it. You may not realize it but you forcing the 'prove it!' meme is what kickstarted this.

>>155562482
He's the japanese version of walt disney

>>155568115
>You're projecting again.
You keep using that word.
Are you implying that singular obsession with the superficial aspects of physical love is not an immature expression of sexual frustration frequently characteristic of puberecent males (and females)?
Or did you have some sort of deeper idea?

>>155568757
That's not true. Besides, it's a temporary measure until they learn to behave.

>>155568646
I get not liking his movies - different tastes and all that - but I really don't understand how you could look at anime, or animation as a whole, and say, yup, he's average at best. Like, that's just ignorant.

>>155568803
>you started it
I most certainly did not.

>You may not realize it but you forcing the 'prove it!' meme is what kickstarted this.
It is not a meme. It's just that when you make an accusation you have to prove it.

>>155568807
I did have a deeper idea - how about you fuck off back to MAL?

>>155568680
>>155568795
They clearly do exist, you are just an ignorant retard

>>155568821
>until they learn to behave
You mean conform to the groupthink

>>155568861
>Ad Hominem
You are clearly butthurt, stop embarrassing yourself

>>155568795
Don't expect people to take you seriously when you say ridiculous shit without backing it up.

Just saw this thread in the catalog and thought, "I wonder how hard OP is samefagging his shitty bait thread"

>320 replies
>49 ips

>>155567630
You are part of the problem.
You are like a person that buys modern art or likes buildings in the style of brutalism

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3MB, 886x480px

>>155568584
Pixar can't even make an animated movie, they're the cancer who's killing animation and you DARE to compare an animation god to them?

No, seriously, does /a/ not like animation or something?

Pixar can only dream to animate something like this.
>>155568546
Yeah, except his work.
>>155568598
>>155568579

>>155568642
You are wrong. Once a work has been put on paper, or whatever support, it no longer belongs to the artist and his intention doesn't matter anymore.
>you must prove it
Prove what? If something adds nothing to the story and is evidently added to please the reader then it's fanservice.
Did you even read the post I wrote about Death Note? >>155568373
You don't need any proof to say that that scene is fanservice because the meaning could have been conveyed in other ways that didn't involve fetishism.

>>155568760
>Again, sexuality is normal in anime and manga and similar media. Westerners exoticize and mystify it because they can't accept it.
I wouldn't say sexuality itself is normal in anime and manga, but the way they portray sexuality in anime is certainly something that's considered normal.
>Many people think it's wrong.
Doesn't matter. There's no consensus that fanservice is inherently a bad thing.

>>155562482
>wants anime to be about story telling and not corporate greed
>the only recent example of an anime made out of pure love was Kemono Friends and that shit is cgi garbage
I feel sorry for the dude.

>>155568946
He's also shitposting on /m/ right now
>>>/m/15406409

He's outright refusing to prove any of his statements and is just getting really angry at everyone KEK

>>155568928
They do need to conform yes. Maybe you're slightly less retarded than I thought.

>>155562944
He didn't say that, just that his movies are well-liked generally, which is true. He didn't say anything about their quality.
Anon, don't you think you have a bit of a persecution complex? It's fine if you don't like his movies, no one really cares.

>>155568823
Because there's a ton of people in the industry that do things better than he? Admittedly the movies are really pretty when they are not mixing 3D in them, but considering the insane movie budget and practically no time constraints they operate on this is more of a underlining on he being average, as people operating on so much less reach the same heights.

>>155568953
Whatever faggot. I'm sure if you cry about it enough you'll change something kek

>>155568953
Go to bed Paul Joseph Watson

>>155569008
Well Nausicaa probably IS the greatest sci fi manga of all time.
What are your candidates?

>>155568833
>I most certainly did not.
But you did. The way you try to define what fanservice is and what the alternative is is something that conflicts very heavily with how the world works.
>It is not a meme. It's just that when you make an accusation you have to prove it.
At his point it sadly is. I do understand where you are coming from, but you don't seem to quite understand what proof actually means.

>>155569013
So /a/ is as much of a circlejerk as reddit then?

>>155569034
Even if I were to agree that there are a ton who do it better, there's a thousand times that number who do it worse.

>>155569008
Of course it's an /m/fag

>>155569080
Sure. Maybe even more.

>>155568877
>>155568941
>moeshit
It means "this anime has cute girls in it, and I don't like it. All moeshit is the same, and bad, even though an anime with cute girls in it could be any number of things."

>otaku pandering
Narcissistic projection, as stated earlier.

>waifubait
Narcissistic projection ("I don't like this, therefore the creators didn't like it either and were merely baiting"). Also misunderstands what a waifu is.

>>155568954
>Once a work has been put on paper, or whatever support, it no longer belongs to the artist and his intention doesn't matter anymore.
This also means you can't accuse an author of fanservice.

>If something adds nothing to the story and is evidently added to please the reader then it's fanservice.
Prove that it was added to pleaser the reader.

>You don't need any proof to say that that scene is fanservice because the meaning could have been conveyed in other ways that didn't involve fetishism.
This does not prove anything.

>>155568957
>Doesn't matter. There's no consensus that fanservice is inherently a bad thing.
Nowhere did I say a consensus has to exist, although the majority of Westerners hate "fanservice."

>>155569065
>But you did.
No. Don't try to drag me into your personal drama.

>The way you try to define what fanservice is and what the alternative is is something that conflicts very heavily with how the world works.
It does no such thing.

>At his point it sadly is.
How is it a meme to expect people to prove their accusations? Are courts a meme too?

>you don't seem to quite understand what proof actually means.
Based on what?

>>155569101
Exactly

>>155569092
No, he's not an /m/fag. He's just recently started shitposting on /m/ that Miyazaki is greater than all of our "mechashit". He's from Reddit or Tumblr, I'm pretty sure it's xPearse who is a well known shitposter on both /a/ and /m/.

>>155569137
So? Are you going to fuck off now or what?

>>155569116
>blah blah projection
Not an argument, fuck off

>>155569173
Of course it's an argument. The fact that you find it inconvinient does not mean it isn't an argument.