Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans

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hmanga when

I fully expect it given all the reveals, but I will still be impressed if the post-credits scene in the final episode actually has Kudelia on the farm with Atra (dies in childbirth) and Mikazuki's (dies in the final battle) kid.

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Rustal is a magnificent bastard.

If he survives, IBO will be redeemed.

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>>154520041
Of course, and that baby will be the iron blooded orphan! Kudelia will raise him well I’m sure

>>154520090
DELETE THIS

>>154520090
Pottery

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>>154520070
He won't. He'll fall to Tekkadan's future boss and the Man That Doesn't Dodge: Ride Mass

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>When Tekkadan crushes and executes people and organizations who mess with them is OK
>When Tekkadan is being crushed for messing with Gjallarhorn is not

>>154520214
Ride will be busy taking care of PTSD Azee

As much of a shitshow as it's turned into, IBO has still been better than fucking gwrecko.

>>154519787
>Tekkadan wins.
YOU WERE MY ONLY FRIEND kills notChar and takes over the leadership of Gallarjorn, purging the corruption as a final act of kindness toward notChar. Alternatively, they kill each other off and Gallarjorn splits into continental factions like the old days of Earth.

Kudelia runs for president/ruler of Mars, or is appointed the position by Orga. This keeps Mars from imploding and gives her the chance to make the changes she's dreamed of.

>>154520090
Bonus points for showing the rusting body of Barbatos somewhere in the distance, with gravestones planted around it for poetic effect.

>>154520256
Taking care of Naze's sloppy seconds

>>154520270
>IBO has still been better than fucking gwrecko.
In literally no way, there's a reason this is the new "worst of the franchise"

>>154520304
Keep telling yourself that, faggot. Gwrecko was an irredeemable clusterfuck of failure.

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>>154520270
>As much of a shitshow as it's turned into, IBO has still been better than fucking gwrecko.
Found the retard.

>>154520070
Rustal is such a genius
>Send your old pal to start a war as a part of a roundabout way of making McGillis look bad instead of just killing McGillis
>Got the illegal super weapon and win with massive via massive numbers
>Send out your most loyal follower to be a human(monkey) shield
>Send in mobile workers to attack Tekkadan rather than bombarding them from above

>>154520070
He might but Gjallarhorn won't.

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Dear Rustal,

Sorry for killing all your dudes and basically shitting on Gjallarhorn's authority for the past 47 episodes.
I know we allied with the guy who betrayed and rebelled against you, and were basically helping him kill you, but it didn't end up working out too well.
If we hand him over, can you let us go? We've already lost a ton of our people (not nearly as much as you, maybe you should hire train better soldiers?), but I hope we can let bygones be bygones.

From, Orga

>>154520304
Because you keep telling yourself that and think you're not a really small minoirty?

>154520432
found the shitposter

>>154520501
Is Orga the most despicable human being of this story?

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>>154520501
Rustal is really professional, but deep down I’m sure he really wants to kill them…

>>154520593
That would be Mika, probably the whole thing of the baby is only him following his most primal instincts

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Why is he so beautiful?

Holy fuck is IBO going to conclude this season?
>run away to Earth
>hide away forever
>betray chocolate man
>live happily forever
How many episodes are left this season?

>>154520593
Dunno, maybe? And only Rustal can't even be classified as a human being after what he's done.

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For some reason, I really laughed at the framing of this scene. Hush was shown standing behind Mika prior, then the camera shifts to an angle where everyone shows up to talk to Mikazuki while completely ignoring Hush's existence.

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>>154520804
What is the purpose of Hush? Even pompadour has had a bigger impact than him.

>>154520755
It's kind of underwhelming that after nearly being killed and presumed dead he walks away with only a scar on his face.

>>154520800
Rustal has done nothing wrong. All his actions were for the greater good.

>>154520885
t. monkey

>>154520459

>Rustal leads the survivors of Gjallarhorn on an exodus out to Jupiter
>no one bothers to pursue them

>>154520885
Rustal wants to maintain and propogate the system that created Tekkadan in the first place. I'm not sure how people don't seem to understand this.

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>>154520849
Emphasising traditional Japanese hierarchical structure. Hush was the arrogant new kid who got a lot of attention early one thinking that he was going get get his own gundam and become the best. Now over twenty episodes later he spends most of his time as a subservient manservent to his superior while happily toeing the company line, does not have a gundam frame and has participated in two or three battles to no great effect.

>>154520959
Tekkadan becoming kings of Mars wouldn't change anything. Mars actually became alot worse after they beat Gjallarhorn.

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>>154520877
>with only a scar on his face
Still not confirmed. There's still a possibility those opera gloves and those outrageous boots are not just a fashion statement.

>>154520849
At this point, he seems to be solely created to be Mika's Speedwagon. Initially hostile, and then being so amazed that he becomes an unthinking follower. Also will probably help Atra raise Mika's kid after he dies.

Like, I thought there would be something interesting about Mika playing a mentor role towards someone, but the very few scenes where Mika directly interacts with Hush have mostly just been annoyance. I wonder if Mika even likes the guy.

>>154521068
The hell are you talking about? The quality of life in the Chryse region was shown to have improved massively as it now has some degree of autonomy from Earth and Gjallarhorn thanks to Kudelia/Tekkadan/Makanai. This was something old Gjallahorn was vehemently against, and they had done everything in their power to prevent, even if it meant sending out sanctioned hit squads against Martian royalty and directly meddling in the politics of the economic blocs by rigging their elections.

>>154521068
This. Like when Lacus become the overlord of the universe. That was worse than the middle age.

>>154521242
That was due to Kudelia and Makanai governance. What does Tekkadan really know about ruling a nation? If anything, Orga as King of Mars would be just as corrupt since he was planning on giving free rides to everyone in Tekkadan.

>>154521534
I'm fairly sure that Orga would have delegated all of the actual ruling to Kudelia, considering she was already sort of handling their PR/Business side.

>>154521534
If Tekkadan ever did become Kings of Mars I'm fairly certain they would have just passed most of that off to Kudelia. Orga didn't want to rule, he just wanted to be able to set his family up with nice comfortable lives.

Seriously, after everything that has happened lately, there's people who believe that the World and Mars will improve with Orga and Choco driving the ship.

How?

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>>154521242
The fuck are you talking about did you skip the first episode? Wow they have an orphanage and a farm that clearly makes up for the increased terrorism, slavery, and child soldiers. There was no improvement, if anything it degenerated.

>>154521242
>Martian royalty
Wot

>>154521744
It's fucked either way. Best case is to wake all the mobile armors and end everything.

>>154521761
Hell they had someone trying to car bomb THEM when they were pickup Biscuit's imoutos.

>>154520304
Dont know how to break the news to you buddy, but G-reco isnt exactly a well received series in any region.

>let's just run to Earth and change our names!

Why did Mika not put a bullet in him right there?

>>154521927
Because he's gay for Orga.

>>154521927
Hush was supposed to carry him there, but he was too busy cleaning up the mess Atra and Mika made.

>let's just run away xD
>oh it's an attack xdd
Fuck you Mari Okada.

>>154520501
>>154520593
>Rustal is ultimately responsible for Naze, Amida and Lafter's deaths, along with all the women and children who died in Iok's attack as well, along with the settlement that was destroyed by Hashmal after Iok's retardation caused him to lure it there
>Orga tries to make a deal with him
What an unprincipled coward.

>>154521927
In Orga defense that was Kudelia idea, he simply is out of them

>>154522177
Now I'm imagining Hush masturbating to the smell Atra and Mika left behind in the cockpit after sex.

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why don't they just shoot tekkadan's hq from space with dainsleifs?

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>>154521761
Just goes to show Rustal haters are in such deep denial that they need to rewrite what actually happened in their minds.

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>>154522282
Hush is one sad little guy…

>>154522412
they already had to force a pretense of the "enemy" using forbidden weapons against them to somewhat legitimize their use in space, against a fleet

they're not going to be willing to risk the political and collateral damage that "ancient, forbidden superweapons" would cause if used unprovoked in a ground bombardment scenario

>>154521194

But he lack speedwagon charisma and bro-titude...he is just a wagon

>>154520304
Why are people arguing about whether IBO or Reco is worse? Are we pretending AGE doesn't exist?

>>154522566
Also, it seems Kudelia will be the rich “godparent” so yeah Hush is just the wagon

>>154522650
Even after AGE as worst, there's still GBFT.

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What's wrong with her brain?

>>154522707
I love Atra, no waifu comes close to how great she is

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I've mostly been enjoying IBO, but this baby subplot is pretty horrible.

>>154522707
Like someone on /m/ said, Okada is making fun of love triangles.

>>154522760
It's stupid, but at least something is happening unlike in most of S1.

Why did Zack even join Tekkadan when he apparently has an education and parents that can provide work?

>>154523095
He joined so he could be a source of drama for the writer.

>>154523095
>ZACK LOWE

>A new member of Tekkadan. He joined the group hoping to become a cool grown-up, and his instructor often admonishes him for his frivolity and lack of seriousness during drills.

>>154523095
He wanted to be a cool big dick war hero

>>154523306
>Cool grown-up
>joins an organization comprised of child soldiers

>>154522777
>/m/ said
No one cares about /m/ said
So can we please just stop talking about this?

>Everyone is such a piece of shit to the point where the fucking Char of the show is the most honorable and trustworthy
>Char DIDN'T betray Tekkadan

>>154522777
Almost sure she must think this “romance” was a amazing idea and no the joke moments of the show so far…

>>154521915
Japan liked it
>>154522650
Age's first 15 eps were actually good, it wasn't until Asemu's arc that things went down hill.

>>154522227
There was literally no way it played out any differently. I'm pretty much only finishing this show so I can be well informed when I shit on it.

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welp, that settles it, we now have a new worst entry

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>>154523520
>Char of the show is the most honorable and trustworthy

>Gaelio is fighting to protect child prostitution and rape, military corruption, human experimentation and war crimes

Kek, he should do the world a favour and kill himself.

>>154523605
>Japan liked it
+-

>>154523693
Has S2 Choco broke any treaties, commited any war crimes or betrayed anyone yet?

At most he told Galidad "Whoops i accidentaly your son"

>>154522777
>Okada
>Self awareness
>About melodrama and love triangles
How many layers of ironic humor is this post buried in?

Things would be different if Isurugi were still alive.

>>154523696
Tekkadan made all those things worse.

>>154523675
They seriously put his cringe cosplay there?

>>154523851
They already existed in large amounts in Episode 1, and Gjallahorn was already hilariously corrupt.

>>154522707
she's an ideal mehmed waifu

>>154523918
>Hating on CAW CAW

>>154523675
Some of these Char clones are so un-Char like, like Harry and Schwarz.
Char's supposed to have layers and schemes and shit, but Harry just played it straight and was as loyal and loyal gets while Schwarz was god damn Racer X.

>>154524149
It's as if they aren't literal Char clones or something

MUH GALAHORN
MUH AGNIKA KAKERU
MUH BALE

>>154523696
you forgot to add
trafficking of children
social, ethnic and racial discrimination
Commercial sexual exploitation of children Pedophilia,
xenophobia

>>154524208
Macky is the hero we need.

>>154524208
Out of those literally only child trafficking is bad.

>Next week is Brave, Brave Sir Iok in a Graze vs Chocoman in Bael

Oh boy, I bet Iok can outluck Bael.

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If Gali-gali and Julietta got together, and Maki gets his loli wife, it'd be like they're each others inverse pairs.

>>154524191
I know, but it's an archetype and not just a dude with a mask, that's why they're called Char clones.

>>154524349
>Gali accidentally calls out Choco's name while in bed with Julietta

>>154524351
Harry isn't even waring a mask, it's just the new fashion glasses moon people wear (those two shitty goons buy a pair later)

>>154524293
This.

>>154520090
18 vs 36 year old. Sounds okay, no incest either.

>>154524655
Indeed, also Kudelia not only gets access to Mika genes, she also gets Atra genes too

>>154520070
>IBO will be redeemed
Please don't be this delusional.

>>154523978
his bird obsession makes so much sense that his CHAR MASK would have a beak

>>154523688
Interesting how multiple series are considered a low point for the franchise but none is noted as even a high point let alone the highest point.

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>>154526058
Poor chuuni king…

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>>154525584
This it already redeemed itself with based chuuni.

>>154526298
No it isn't.

>>154523095
>Zack has an education and parents
>Takaki has a sister
>Biscuit had sisters

What's the common feature? They all have or had families not Tekkadan.

They were never truly Tekkadan, and that's why they either died or bailed.

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>>154522274
This. If Kudelia said it, then it MUST be a good idea because Kudelia is amazing!

>>154526298
Season 2 has been a lot better then Season 1 but that still isn't saying much. I am enjoying Rustal though.

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What did he tell them?

>>154527229
>I had a little boy for every day of the week, 52 weeks a year. McGillis was Thursdays. He liked to struggle, so it really made Fridays a relaxing start to a fulfilling weekend.

>>154522777
Nah, that's her usual. Shoving shitty love triangles for melodrama's sake thinking it's 'deep' and 'good'. Even the fucking homo pairing of Shino and Yamagi was better written but Nagai was in charge of that along with Kamoshida. Okada can't write love plots to save her life.

>>154527398
I'm glad Atra didn't got cucked again. Poor Kudelia was a bit jealous but at least she will be the Godmother

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>>154527583
>. Even the fucking homo pairing of Shino and Yamagi was better written

>>154520090

I WANT THIS

OKADA THE MADWOMAN PLEASE MAKE THIS HAPPEN

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>>154527630
>Mika will never look at Atra and Kudelia like this
Suffering.

>>154527938
I'm glad faggots are biting the dust.

>>154528149
And are selling a lot.

What was the point of bringing Gali back when everything would have played out exactly the same anyways?

>>154526810
I know this post was made in jest, but Kudelia is basically a walking example of how not to a write a character. At least no one pretends she's smart or well written like some people do with Rustal.

Man Mika and Orga are the two worst characters in the entire series, they started out okay then gets worst every episode also they going to bring mobile armors as an asspull for them to escape and it's going to be Iok that sets them off.

>>154528290
Shill gunplas.

I don't understand why people are very upset about this show

What exactly does this show do, that other Gundam shows don't that annoys you?

>>154528535
Go watch 0079, actually pay attention to the dialog and plot and then come back.

>>154528290
Julieta needed a husbando

>>154528589

That doesn't really answer things

So are people upset because of the theme?
They don't like Space Yakuza vs Space Police?

Are they triggered because it's class warfare story about disenfranchised child laborers and prostitutes trying to rise up?

Like...

Gundam Seed Destiny is bad because the script writer illness led to delayed scripts led to executive bullying led to noticeable last minute plot changes.

G Reco is "bad" because they were too many factions and for the better or worse it simulated the messiness of war.

But I've never seen a reason for someone to dislike IBO except for "lolokada:

>>154528290
To hopefully deliver a satisfying conclusion to the conflict him being alive created between him and McGillis.

>>154523688
lol ibo worst than reco or age, i mean ibo is no mean stellar or good, but damn reco and age is shit to be honest

>>154528380
mika is setsuna done right, if you like setsuna but hate mika.. man thats ironic

>>154529013
shrugs, i enjoy ibo more than the past couple of gundam franchises lately (heck this shit is even better than seed destiny), people just like to go on hate train i guess?

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>>154526501
Yes it is.

>>154527602
>implying that atra wouldn't be into it.
Hell she is practically begging jewhime to be her sister wife.

>>154528290
To out Mackie for the blessed chuuni manchild he is.
If he was dead the Rustal would have nothing on Mackie and then Mackie would have been able to go with his initial plan.

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>>154528380
I actually uniron love Mika his autism speaks like poetry to me.
He always gets a good chuckle or two out of me.

>>154528290
To deny McGillis the Bauduin name.

>>154529013
It's always cool to hate on the newest Gundam franchise. IBO certainly isn't perfect, but I get the impression that its flaws are being blown massively out of proportion.

Add to that it's not a UC series and actually tries to shake up the standard Gundam formula in some ways, and there's a lot of material for naysayers to work with.

>>154522486
>>154521761
Rustalfags are basically IBO's equivalent of Zeon apologists.

>>154527583
>Even the fucking homo pairing of Shino and Yamagi was better written
No you're just saying that because they're gay faggot

Yamagi's one sided lusting from afar is no better than Kudelia

https://chiru.no - Cirno Radio

>>154524149
The Char Clone category also extends to Quattro and CCA Char, you know. Both Harry Ord and Jamil Neate are Quattro clones instead of someone like Full Frontal or Graham Acker. Zechs is all three Char iterations in anachronistic order.

>>154519947
Choco literally ruined the lives of everyone he ever met.

>>154530914
Well, yeah, that's basically the tragedy of his character.

>>154520090
OrgaXMerribitfags will finally shut up.

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>>154527938
But he does look at Orga like this.

>>154520215
Sad isn't it? People whining about muh gay little rats last week despite both of them being utterly irrelevant and barely sharing any screentime together is even sadder.

>>154520270
>IBO has still been better than fucking gwrecko
You're getting desperate.

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>>154528380
Nigga, please.

>>154530914
False, he hasn't ruined his own life because he's always in control.

>>154520501
Orga only dare to act like the pussy he really is when Mika isn't around to listen to it and murder his shit at the first unsatisfying move.

>>154520780
>Holy fuck is IBO going to conclude this season?
Yes? It's like you people already forgot that stuff like Comet Lucifer, VVV or AZ happened.

>>154521744
>there's people who believe that the World and Mars will improve with Orga and Choco driving the ship
Really?

>>154521927
Because Kudelia "SUGOI" Aina Bernstein is behind the idea.

>>154522227
>Oh wow Takaki was right all along

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>>154531600
Man, fuck that guy. He can die old and forgotten in Earth's shitty gravity like a bitch. I hope Choco's pops picks him up on the side of the road and takes his ass home as a harem slave.

>>154522760
They obviously have no idea what to do with Mika/Atra/Kudelia characters.

>>154522777
It's just Okada throwing ideas around with no substance to back them up hoping that a vague feeling of novelty is enough to pass her as a genius writer.

>>154531731
Easiest fix to that would be to kill Atra and Kudelia, then it stops being an issue as to what to do with them.

>>154523821
Literally who?

>McGillis was almost betrayed by Orga instead of the other way around

What did Okada mean by this?

>>154527583
I'm still amazed at how they even managed to write a character as awful as Kudelia.

>>154531844
Choco's homeboy that Gaelio killed with his knee drill.

>>154528290
To please the fujos. GalixEin is the most popular IBO pairing and Ein literally gets to be inside Gali now.

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>>154529764
>mika is setsuna done right

>>154529013
How about you go watch 0079 and then come back like I asked the first time? The characters and conflict are all horribly written. Basic themes don't mean a thing when the execution is this bad.

>>154531935
>GalixEin is the most popular IBO pairing
Do not remind me.

>>154531347
That's not a tragedy when the guy is aware of the shit he is doing and where it's all going.

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>>154531454
>he's always in control

>>154531903
I only remember Helmwidge jobbing and making background noise.

>>154531882
That orga is a shit.
He knew what he was in for when saying yes to macky in helping out.

Tekkadan brought this on themselves for being such enablers to orga aswell

>>154524208
Calm down there, reddit.

Anyone else triggered by the fact that Atra is supposed to be pregnant from her and Mika doing it on their first try without planning anything ahead? It's either another case of IBO terrible convenient shit writing coincidences or they are too ignorant about the details of baby making.

>>154532190
Mika did say they don't know if it worked or not. But for all intents and purposes she is pregnant.

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>>154532229
That's not how pregnancy works. It's not like tumblr's idea of genders being fluid, you either are completely pregnant or you're not. Partial pregnancy isn't a thing that exists.

>>154532190
It's not like it doesn't happen all the time with dumb teenagers

>>154528535
It's mostly because okada's gundumb is doing better, popularity-wise, than their god's gundumb (g-reco).

>>154532190
That actually happens.
A lot.
Like...one cheap bottle of strawberry whine, barry white playing on the radio and a video of a roaring fire on youtube on the laptop and...UNFUNFUNFUNFUNF three hours later we're sweaty exhausted and remembering that sex makes babies.
Two months later she's saying she's super late.

>>154527398
you can't get pregnant by giving a giant robot a blowjob atra......

>>154532190
Have you never gotten a girl pregnant from hugging?

>>154532006
>I have the Bael, I make the rules!
>You MUST obey me!
10/10 Char clone. How could anyone doubt Okada?

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Look at how happy this sociopath is, drinking tea made by his wife with his best friend.
Is this the happiest we've seen him?

>>154530625
There was nothing delusional about Yamagi's crush. The guy assessed his chances based on reality and acted accordingly, did not confess and kept his distance, but still held feelings for Shino because you don't chose whom you fall in love with. The sad twist was that he assessed his chances incorrectly and if he did confess, he might have scored.
Kudelia/Atra/Mika is an escapist fantasy, Shino/Yamagi falls closer to reality than you might think.

>>154528380
I hate that they are the characters we spend the most screentime on yet they're still one dimesnional and barely have any character development. I get that Mika is more of a catalyst type of hero, the kind that helps people around him grow by showing the example, but man is he boring as fuck. Not to mention Orga doesn't have that excuse. Even Iok is more interesting.

>>154533292
Not everyone is a closet cock sucker like you were in high school.

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>>154522486
I really don't understand the people that hate on Team Meat.
Rustal simply employs the same underhanded tactics as his enemies because he wants to fucking win.
Gaelio is a way better dude now than he was before.
And Julietta is cute.

So shut up.

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>>154533414
This. Also Iok is turning into a man.

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>>154533414
>Gaelio is a way better dude now than he was before.
He abandoned every single ideal he held close and has gone revenge crazy. I do not understand how this makes him better.

>>154533402
What an irrelevant post.

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>>154533499
>>revenge crazy

>is patient and waits to see McGillis' actions before judging him
>apologizes for being prejudiced to Mika
>tries to avoid killing McGillis subordinates, because he sees them as brainwashed sheep
>acknowledges the blight of the colony inhabitants
>advises Julietta to hold off on sacrificing her humanity in her pursuit of greater power


You do not understand shit, because you need to pay attention to the show.

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>>154532286
You know people don't realize they are pregnant immediately, right?

Why do you think pregnancy test exist?

>>154532595
Almost as good as Zeheart.

>>154533561
Actually it's very relevant to the "it happens more than you think" point you were trying to make, faggot.

>>154533711
>apologizes for being prejudiced to Mika
Only because he has the Alaya Vijnana system now, which he hated before but suddenly accepted when he needed it for his revenge.

>tries to avoid killing McGillis subordinates, because he sees them as brainwashed sheep
He does this because of his sense of superiority. He's the super smart one who knows what Choco is really is and everyone else is surely being tricked and misled like he was.

>acknowledges the blight of the colony inhabitants
He didn't acknlowledge anything. He just implied he was imperviousthat guilt trip because he was hooked up with crazy old Ein.

>advises Julietta to hold off on sacrificing her humanity in her pursuit of greater power
This is the only thing he has going for him.

Gaelio is just Ein 2.0, powered by Ein 1.0, fighting for everything that he once believed was wrong simply because Choco stabbed him and he wants to get him back. Muh Crank became muh Carta and those damned space rats became that damned McGillis. That entire scene with Isurugi in episode 45 was potining out what a huge joke Gaelio is.

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>>154533476
When does Franken Fran show up again? She seems fun.

>mfw turning Gundams into people and people into Gundams

>>154533956
Whatever you say, Chocofag.

>>154520501
Well, when you put it like that...

>>154533949
It happens more than you think in context of real life gay crushes, retard. Go bark at some other tree.

>>154533960
>Julietta didn't become a gundam
This girl was just a shameless red herring for the sake of fake drama.

>>154534089
What an utterly irrelevant and incorrect post.

Faggot.

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>>154520501
Rustal made a classic Game of Thrones mistake though.

When the enemy is willing to bend the knee, you let them do it and utilize them.
You don't corner a wounded dog, because it will fight back even harder.

Not a smart move, Meat Boss.

>>154521761
Who the fuck do you think keeps trying to kill them?

Seriously, who do you think are their enemies that keep sending shit their way? You think the events on Earth and Mars were just freak accidents that Rustal is completely innocent of?

Remove Rustal, save the World.

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>>154534101
It's not like she didn't try her best to convince Julietta of the Ein-procedure. Maybe she should have held back on the evil smiles a little...

But hey, how about Graze-Iok. That sounds fun, right?

>>154534193
>Graze-Iok
>Not gundam Iok
If you are going to go balls deep in Allahs-vagina you might as well go full Setsuna and become gundam when you have one sitting in your basement.

>>154533960
If the Ein bananavagina turns out to be we were the MA the whole time, I'm going to be so disappointed.

>>154528535
I enjoy IBO, unironically.

>>154532190
>>154532286
It's like you literally can't pay attention.

Do you think they had sex in the gundam? or Atra just stripped him off and rode him somewhere?

Either way she probably put all the knowledge she obtained from working at the brothel to good use.

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>>154533414
>Rich, corrupted nobility with first-world problems
>Space debris that have had to struggle, fight and sacrifice for every stolen breath in life

It's not that I hate them, I just really don't give a shit about them relative to the protags. Tekkadan/Turbines/Colonies/even Choco, for all their numerous faults, will always be more sympathetic.

>>154534456
It was a threesome with barbie.

>>154534481
Tekkadan are basically Dindus
>it's not their fault that they are cold-hearted monsters
>it's not their fault that they are fucking over the entire world for personal gain
>It's not their fault that they care about nothing but their slum-brothers

Fuck off, Jamal.

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>>154533292
>The sad twist was that he assessed his chances incorrectly and if he did confess, he might have scored.
Stop reminding me.

>>154531882
Orga is traitorous while McGillis is trustable.

>>154534550
Tekkadan are children. All they grew up in a way and all they have know is war.

It's not easy for poor uneducated children who didn't even know how to writer before 2 years ago to get out of this shit.

>>154534366
What are you expecting from a Takaki.

>>154528535
Just repetitive and poor focus on plot stuff.
Don't care for the harem, more interested in world and that itself is sparse or poorly done.
Not much of a fan of protagonists or current arc.
The background/war itself sounds better than the current one.

>>154534481
So you judge characters based on their socioeconomic status?

>>154534550
The show doesn't focus on that though.

I don't think most of the audience forms their opinion based on something that was briefly mentioned and ignored.

>>154534566
I actually think it is kinda funny that everyone was 100% sure that Mackie was going to betray tekkadan, but then it turns out that it was the otherway around.

>>154534663
First, not everyone. Second, there was actually a number of people championing the idea that it will be Tekkadan who betrays his ass, and rightfully so.

Where are those people now is what I wonder.

>>154534661
>So you judge characters based on their socioeconomic status?
Not even the sane guy, but people that are assholes because their life is shit and act like that out of survival are more sympathetic then people who ate assholes because they are rich.

Why did they leave Teiwaz again?
Considering Jasley was planning a coup and involved the Feds, wouldn't it be a reasonable thing to strike back at them?
Forgive me, I'm retarded.

>>154534714
An asshole is an asshole.

>>154534770
To murder Jasley Filleromikols.

>>154534792
Yeah they assholes, but some might be easier to sympathize with.
Not everything is black and white.

>>154534864
It'd be easier to sympathize with Tekkadan if it didn't seem like they were playing on Easy Mode 90% of the time.

>>154534911
They have only had losses since rhe start of s2 though and even in s1 a bunch of of their guys have died.
It may have not been named characters anyone cared about, but the still had their losses here and there.

>>154534321
I'm sorry to hear about your disability. It must be very difficult for your caretaker.

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>>154533956
>That entire scene with Isurugi in episode 45 was potining out what a huge joke Gaelio is
How so? Izurugi and Gaelio were just not on the same wavelength. Gaelio projected his former wish to be Choco's friend on Izurugi, the guy who's now following him around like he used to, and Izurugi denied having such a wish. That's all it was.
I don't understand why being butthurt over betrayal makes you a joke, either. If anything, it's a sane reaction.

>>154534770
Because even though a member of Teiwaz went rogue, teamed up with Iok, murdered Lafter in cold blood, and was planning to overthrow Teiwaz's leader, muh rules and customs make everyone literally fucking retarded so they can just say "Sorry, our hands are tied!"

Bottom of the barrel writing.

>>154534976
It's not about the actual losses. It's about the feeling of desperation that infects the audience and makes them root for them.
And it almost always seems like the antagonists are struggling more than Tekkadan at any given time.
Hell, even the whole Galan debacle could only happen because non of the heavy hitters were present at the time. As soon as the core group came to earth, the situation was resolved within what feels like minutes.

This situation now is the first time since early in S1 that it actually feels like Tekkadan is in actual danger. And even that is dubious, since Gjallarhorn has like 1 and 1/2 Ace-pilots and a boatload of disposable grunts, while the good guys have all their top dudes minus Shino, who was never that great to begin with.

The story seldom did a good job of actually painting Tekkadan as the underdogs. I blame Nagai for that.

>>154535195
But even then tekkadan are way more sympathetic.
Like do you really think someone like Iok who killed a bunch of non-combatants and probably some babies too, because he was butthurt about the fact that people called him out for acting like an idiot during the MA accident.

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>>154535195
>good guys have all their top dudes minus Shino, who was never that great to begin with.
Take it back.

>>154535195
>The story seldom did a good job of actually painting Tekkadan as the underdogs. I blame Nagai for that.
I think the moment they joined Teizan was when a lot of tension disappeared, before that it actually felt like orphans were struggling.

I felt like Okada's plan to have Aniki betray Tekkadan may not have been that bad.

>>154535290
No, the more sympathetic characters are always the one who do crap, get told, and learn from it. And that's Team meat. It's called development, and Tekkadan has none of that, because they don't learn, and just stick to erroneous decisions instead.

>>154535358
What the fuck did they learn? Julietta still Rustal's watch dog. Iok learned some self-worth, but he still doesn't feel regret for the killling of the turbines. Rustal doesn't hava a character and is more corrupt than ever.

More so, they are all adults and rich.

Tekkadan are children who don't know anything other than war.

McGillis docking Bael with an MA dug up on Mars and murdering everything when?

>Literally Dendrobium/ GN Arms/ Meteor but a fucking Mobile Armor

>>154535358
The only one from team meat that is sympathetic is Gaelio.

>>154527602
Is she actually pregnant?

>>154535358
Team meat is garbage. All of them live their little insulated lives that are so far removed from reality they could be just as well living inside Rustall's asshole.

>>154535358
>Julietta
>Learned that mary sue plot armor is better than surgery
>Iok
>Learned that war crimes and mass murder shouldn't be done out in the open
>Gaelio
>Sides with the man who openly mocks McChoco for being a child sex slave

So, I dropped this at the start of season 2.
is chocoman winning? I hope he is, might pick it up then.

>>154535504
ChocoMan is losing hard due to being too honorable.

Gjallahorn is breaking their own laws so they can fight the law-abiding Choco who is not breaking any laws.

Choco is too good for this world. But he seems to have something planned, wait for him to reveal what his secret plan is. Hopefully he sends out Hashmal to murder everything.

>>154535504
Nonhe is on the losing side, but it seems like he has an ace up sleeve.

>>154535555
"Kill everyone with MA, kill MA with muh Bael, become a hero."

Can't wait to see how it backfires.

>>154535549
Well I like mackie too, but lets not pretend he is anything.
If anything I like him because he doesn't act like he did nithing wrong.

>MIka sees babies as hams
>Mika sees a baby once
>Mika thinks the baby is cute
>hey wanna make a baby Atra?

Who thought this was a good idea? Babies are seious fucking business, you can't just make one because you saw one on the street and you thought it was cute. It's the same plot as that one autistic kiss he monkeyd after seeing Naze and Amida do it. Who let this manlet go through with that idea?

Jesus.

Mika and Atra need to be separated. ASAP.

>>154535595
I meant let's not pretend like his completely innocent.

>>154535504
Chocoman is losing but the fact that he hasn't already lost is astounding considering how fucking stupid his plan was.

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>>154535549
>>154535555
He always looks like he has an ace on his sleeve. His whole strategy is to mask the fact that he's just winging it with a smug face and hope everything works out fine.

I just want McGillis to win and take his wife's virginity in front of Gaelio. Is it really that much to ask?

>>154535668
really, it would redeem everything.

>>154535623
>Who thought this was a good idea?
Retarded orphans without sexual education and fucked up family concept.

>>154535595
S1 Macky did everything wrong, definitely.

But what has S2 Macky done?

Rustal was working with the "bearded man" and making deals with the mafia, and that's just at the start, not counting the rest of S2. The worst Macky did was joke about shanking Gaelio and installing an Alan Banana on himself.

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>>154535399
Julietta learned not to seek strength at all cost and accept/value her weakness instead of rejecting it like she used to.

>Rustal doesn't hava a character
Now that I agree, but I expect he'll grow one.

>>154535462
Iok grew from spoiled, arrogant kid throwing tanthrums and risking his life and those of his men for revenge and pride to a responsible, humble head of Gallarhorn risking his life to become worthy of leading Gallarhorn one day.

Gaelio became strong and beautiful.

>>154535662
Wel to be fair Mackie's plan wasn't that bad.
>Sent Carta to her death through suggestion and take over her families authority since the fareed family has custody over her.
>Kill Gaelio and become the heir of the bauduin family by marrying Almiria.
>Do a stand up job of fixing whatever fleet Carta was in charge of and basically show that he is competentand exemplary member of the seven stars.
>Get Bael on and with the authority of 3 families and basically the excalibur of Gjallarhorn become the supreme leader the world.
The only thing that really fucked up his plan was the fact that Gaelio somehow asspulled his way from death.
If he didn't cheat death like that Rustal would have nothing on choco.
He could out him as Iznario's boytoy, but then poppa Bauduin would probably come to his aid since he is his son in law.
He could accuse him of killing Gaelio, but with nothing to back it up he would just come across as someone who is butthurt because someone overtook him.
Eventhen getting Bael wasn't that bad of a plan.
If Gaelio outed him before he got his hands on Bael Mackie would have no authority left and would have been thrown in jail.
Now that he has Bael he could hold on to a little of whatever authority he had to give him a fighting chance.
Really the only reason why he is losing is purely because of plot reasons, Gaelio should have been dead by all intents and purposes.

>>154535795
A post worthy of a Gjallarhorn propaganda outlet.

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>>154523688
>people still posting the inferior chart

>>154535901
Amusingly enough, he was so busy betraying his closest allies he never realised that NOT betraying them would have put him in a great position.

>Best friends with the children of two of the Seven Star families
>Be a Seven Star
>You now have 40% control of Gjallahorn and rights to 3 Gundam Frames already
>Rustal has no dirt on you

>>154531454
He never had a life. Can't ruin what never existed.

>>154535901
The thing with plans is that, if they don't take everything into account, they're worthless. So no, it's a bad plan. Not to mention Gaelio didn't even try to hide his survival from Choco. By the middle of the season McGillis knew he was alive.

>>154534864
If you're going to simplify one side then simplify both.

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>>154535795
>>Rustal doesn't hava a character
>Now that I agree, but I expect he'll grow one.
That's wrong though.
He doesn't have any development, but he's fleshed out enough to understand why and how he does things.

>>154535979
This would probably have been a better plan, but I guess those where too many variables for the sociopath he is.

>>154535988
I don't blame him for thinking that Gaelios is dead, because Gaelio basically got hamburgered like Bernie.
Also the reason why he even went to get Bael by force was because he knew that Gaelio was alive.
So he probably thought that he should get Bael so he would still have some influence over Gjallarhorn when Gaelio drops the huge bomb that was his "death".
Chances are if he didn't have Bael before Gaelio came out of hiding he probably would have been in jail by now or executed.
So he took the initiative before Rustal got the drop on him.

>>154535957
Wing should really be "muh nostalgia"

>>154536031
I am not sure what I am supposed to say, but to me street urchins who kill people out of survival are more sympathetic than people who because their pride got wounded.
They are both murders, but the former are more sympathetic to me atleast than the latter.

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>>154536102
>I don't blame him for thinking that Gaelios is dead, because Gaelio basically got hamburgered like Bernie
That's not the point, I'm just pointing out that he did nothing to ajust his plans after learning about it, instead trusting that muh bael would resolve everything. See pic related.
Essentially McGillis was so blinded by his own power centric vision of the world, refusing to aknowledge that the world also rotated around these "respectable emotions McGillis can't see nor aknowledge no matter how strongly they're brought up to him", that he chose not to prepare for any counters to Gaelio's existence. And that's why he met his demise.

>>154535454
Still better characters. Since does having a grimdark backstory makes you a deep, multilayered character? At the very least, Okada did a better work on Gallarhorn than she did on Tekkadan.

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>>154535940
Thanks.

>>154535036

Gaelio was seeking friendship
Isurugi was seeking a hero

Isurugi was the real fool in the end, he just couldn't see how dangerous or desperate McGillis was and it got him killed.

>>154536481
Like I said again he forced his way into getting Bael so that he could retain some influence withing the orginization.
If he didn't do that, he probably would have been thrown into jail on the spot.
Also there was nothing much he could do if Gaelio was alive, except for getting Bael and a fighting chance.
By getting Bael his chance went from null to slim.

>>154536142
You can't have street urchins running around murdering people or people killing each other over wounded pride.

>>154536041
>>He doesn't have any development, but he's fleshed out enough to understand why and how he does things.
To an extent.

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>Season 1
>McGillis is a patient manipulative chess master renegade magnificent bastard
>Season 2
>McGillis is a smug fumbling egocentric who still thinks he's winning despite everyone taking turns to shit on him

Ain't karma a bitch

>>154536716
I am not saying it is acceptable, I am just saying that the former is more sympathetic.
Sympathizing with something doesn't automatically mean that you condone it.

>>154536695
He would have went to get Bael at some point either way. I'm not even sure he advanced the date of the coup.
Moreover he must have realized Gaelio didn't plan to out himself just yet if he hadn't thus far during the timeskip between seasons. There was no hurry.

>>154536781
his atittude not changing at all is the best part of it.
he's great, I love him.

>>154536679
Gaelio had seen McGillis as a friend based on years of lies and even after being stabbed in the back he had trouble not seeing him as a friend to the point where he spent over a year not exposing him in order to see if the betrayal was towards some noble goal.

Isurugi saw McGillis as a hero based on his deeds and accomplishments.

Which one was really the fool?

>>154536822
>I'm not even sure he advanced the date of the coup.
Like I said in my previous post, he advanced the date of the coup, because Gaelio is still alive.
If he just waited for Gaelio to take action it would have been to late.
He had to get Bael, before Rustal and Gaelio got the drop on him.
Also Mackie didn't know why and when Gaelio is going to out him, he just knew Gaelio was alive and that he had to take action before Gaelio could tell everyone what happend.

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>>154536879
>Which one was really the fool?
They're both sad ;_;

>>154536879
>Isurugi saw McGillis as a hero based on his deeds and accomplishments.
Isurugi saw him as a hero because he was the only one who gave him a chance.

McGillis doesn't have a lot of great deeds under his belt.

>Also Mackie didn't know why and when Gaelio is going to out him

He knew why, in fact he spelled out reasons why.

>>154536936
>Like I said in my previous post, he advanced the date of the cou
I know you did, but I don't remember it being mentionned, so I assume that's your headcanon. Don't forget that Choco spent a good part of early S2 providing Tekkadan with weapons for that king of mars plan.
>Mackie didn't know why and when Gaelio is going to out him, he just knew Gaelio was alive and that he had to take action before Gaelio could tell everyone what happened
But he says right there >>154536481 that it doesn't matter.

>>154536637
>Still better characters.
Only in your crooked little mind. Don't pretend like there was no development on Tekkadan's side whatsoever. Meats are insufferable, unsympathetic cunts.

>>154537105
>Don't pretend like there was no development on Tekkadan's side whatsoever
Such as? Not trolling, they're just all look static to me.

>>154537153
They discovered the power of friendship.

Actually last episode they were actually thinking for themselves, kind of.

>>154537173
>Actually last episode they were actually thinking for themselves, kind of.
>Kudelia proposes the kind of plan my 8 year old nephew would suggest
>Everyone sucks her dick for the brilliant idea
I don't know, that seems like the same old Tekkadan to me.

>>154537270
A lot of the members were thinking of ditching McGillis.

Orga decided to capitulate, but its not like the story could allow that anyways.

>>154537173
>they discovered the power of friendship
You can't be serious. They knew about it since the earliest episodes. What was it when Orga volunteered to take the beating from the first corps for everyone? When Eugene volunteered for an almost suicide mission in Orga's stead? Tekkadan as a whole relies on the power of friendhips/family. This is nothing new.
Thanks for proving my point I guess.

>>154537153
This was discussed to death already. Akihiro, Eugene, even Shino or Takaki all received development in the span of two seasons. They're not so static or one dimensional as monkey or Iok with their telegraphed two-steps development.

>>154537309
Human debris did.

>>154537270

Don't you talk shit about Kudelia, she's SUGOI.

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>>154537327
Not him, but the characters stopped developing past S1 episode 25. ESPECIALLY Eugene.

Shino's development was literally absent until episode 20-21 in which you get a resolution to his and Yamagi's storyline.

>>154537327
And people still disagreed every time.

Something being discussed does not mean any kind of consensus was reached.

>>154537084
>Gaelio is still alive and has dirt on macky which will completely ruin him if it gets out.
>Macky has to do something to not get completely fucked.
>Gee I wonder why he advanced, the coup?
I mean it seems pretty logical to me if you put 2 and 2 together or does the show have to literally spell everything out for you?
I mean in episode 39 goes on a monologue about how shit seems to be going down since all these ancient weapons are coming back, after that monologue he orders Isurugi to get their comrades ready and after that he thinks by himself if Gaelio is still alive that means Rustal has him by the neck, but that he won't let Rustal get him that easily.
I mean how much more obvious do you want it to be?
Does he have to say "I Mcgillis Fareed advanced the date of the coup, because Gaelio is still alive" for you to understand this?

>>154537327
>Akihiro
You call losing everyone he holds dear and becoming each time more ruthless and protective as a result character development? I call it lazy and predictable. The poor guy is just there to suffer.
>Eugene
He didn't change at all since S1. Rewatch the first few episodes. You just forget he exists because the amount of relevancy Okada is willing to give him fluctuates so whenever he appears I suppose you're under the impression he's a whole new character. Which he isn't.
>Shino
Remained static for 2 seasons only to get killed just when he was about to develop thanks to renewed self worth.

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>>154537385
>Not fucking Yamagi in the robot right there
Shino, you fucking idiot.

>>154537391
>And people still disagreed every time.
Braindead Gjallarhorn diclickers, sure.

>>154537470
Akihiro was the one who changed the most actually, he went from thinking he is disposable trash because he's a HD to thanking Derma for surviving.

>>154531882
>Keep helping guy you barely know even if he's okay with everyone you care about dying to protect him
>OR you can realize that everyone you care about is going to die if you don't sell him out

Orga did nothing wrong. At least Kudelia cared about the orphans getting killed on her journey

>>154537599
Didn't the actual change happen in the brewers arc?

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>>154537467
>Gaelio is still alive and has dirt on macky which will completely ruin him if it gets out
While that is true, Choco didn't believe so, see pic related. Since you can't seem to understand shit on your own I drew a few annotations.
>Gee I wonder why he advanced, the coup?
Give me evidence the coup was advanced. There's no sense of time in IBO, you're gonna have a hard time.
>I mean in episode 39 goes on a monologue about how shit seems to be going down since all these ancient weapons are coming back, after that monologue he orders Isurugi to get their comrades ready
That couldn't have anything to do Iok bringing ancient weapons out, that must have something to do with Gaelio.

>>154538020
you win.

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>>154538059
I know. I always do.

>>154538081
You're gonna die..forever.

>>154538037
I thought Atra was cool with it.

>>154538180
Mika and Kudelia are agreeing to just being friends while Atra is being an autist with wanting Kudelia to have a baby as well.

>>154538147
>die forever
Well yeah, that's the way it works.

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>>154538081
ｗｗｗ

>>154538281
Jesus, how fucking long is Mika's arm?

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>>154538081

Tekkadan will die but all of their paychecks will go to Atra who is pregnant with Mikazuki's son. Kudelia who loves Atra will help get her identity rewritten, and Atra will emerge as an oujo with vast wealth thanks to a well-managed diverse portfolio and wise investments. Together the two oujos will raise Tekkadan's son, and all the sons of Mars, investing their personal wealth in the next generation of Mars so that Mars will surpass the degenerate Earth federation which hasn't been doing so well after old Master Rustal died and left a clueless idiot in charge.

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>>154538344
Who gives a shit.

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>>154538037
>>154538180
It's more about going full "HAREM!" When Mika and Kudelia were having a somewhat normal conversation

>>154538344
War in the pocket is undeniably one of the best Gundam series though.

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Azee is insane now right?

>>154538336
I guess this explains why Gaelio is so fucking useless.
The oxygen deprivation must've killed off a large part of his brain cells

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>>154538281
>>154538336
U mad?

>>154538410
No, it is easily one of the worst, Japan did not care for it you simply fell for an American myth

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>>154538248
>>154538377
Oh. I guess I already got used to her having a childish concept of things and just thought it was cute.

>>154538344
War in the pocket is the only one that gets the war is not fun message across. I can't blame them when all the others fail.

>>154538410
I think it is great, too but it is barely a gundam story it is a war story with a gundam skin.
I don't think that is bad since it is a great OVA, but I can see why someone who watches gundam for the robots would dislike it.

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>>154538462
>Japan did not care for it so it's bad
Why don't you marry Japan if you love it so much?

>>154522260
>Rustal is ultimately responsible for Naze, Amida
That was Iok acting by himself
>Lafter
That was buttchin idea

>>154538462
>Japan did not care
Since when did /a/ care about what Japan likes?

>>154538305
It has to be long. Mika is like 160 cm, Gaelio is 203 cm tall. I'm pretty sure that irl, it'd impossible for the manlet to lift Gaelio by the neck.

>>154537992
It was a gradual process. Second half of S1 tried to establish something between him and Shino, where Akihiro openes up to him as well, but S2 pretty much dropped it. In S2 he's opens up some more and even wants to invite the other guys for drinks.

>>154538511
they're right
>>154538491
Wow did you fall for Mecha Talk propaganda and fake news, if anything the message is muddled in a bunch of nonsense.

>>154538628
They weren't right when they chose to attack Pearl Harbor, and they aren't right now.
Fuck you.

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>>154538511
Their tastes directly influence the success/continuation of a decent number of titles liked here, so they should care at least a little, not that Japan's opinions are any better or worse.

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>>154538700
>They weren't right when they chose to attack Pearl Harbor, and they aren't right now
>Fuck you
Thanks for the laugh anon.

>>154538550
nanomachines

Not sure about the arm length though.

>>154538344
A true gundam fan does not fall for MAHQ propaganda and would have called out the sloppy writing and boring characters

>>154538344
Who cares, War in the pocket is excellent and a bunch of hipsters from whatever safeplace agreeing on that doesn't change anything about it.

>>154538754
That depends on your perspective.
There are quite a few series out there that haven't received a sequel because of their tastes.

>>154538879
>War in the pocket is excellent
Hi Anime Suki

>>154538456
Mad that you didn't stay dead, for sure.