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What would a "deconstruction" of isekai look like?

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What would a "deconstruction" of isekai look like?
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>>152487462
konosuba
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>>152487462
Take the elements of isekai, and think about how those elements can be taken beyond their immediate conclusion and what that would mean for the setting and story.

Show your work.
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>>152487481
No.
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>>152487462
A bit like classic isekai, perhaps. With some focus on wanting to go home

Or it could focus on the people who don't travel to another world, but then it may not be isekai.
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>>152487462
you get teleported to another world but ______. it would have to break the fundamentals, perhaps even explain the meta concept of why this bloody genre has blooms so recently. Maybe have someone gain the powers or even steal characters from other isekais and form a party to stop japan from torturing them from writing this filth.
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>>152487462
All the cliches of the isekai genre, but the characters point them out really loudly then fall over.
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Breaking the 4th wall.
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>>152487481
>MC gets a harem
>MC meets overpowered characters
>Deconstruction
No.
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We already have one.
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>>152487717
No I mean a good one.
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Main character shows up in alternate world, gets mugged, gets scared, tries to find a way home/out, but too scared to leave city/town. Gives up, gets a menial boring job like farming or construction. Settles down with a mediocre non-interesting female, has some unremarkable children and then dies of old age.
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>>152487821
It's good anough atleast
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>>152487462
guy from a fantasy rpg gets teleported to our world
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>>152487880
Literally siesta's grandpa in zero no tsukaima.
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>>152487958
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>>152487462
It's D&D and he's never played D&D and there are no manuals lying around.
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>>152487711
That's like saying Madoka isn't a deconstruction because she met a little animal who gave her fighting magic powers.
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>>152487462
Maybe something like this?
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>>152488009
Shieldbro kind of does this. Except it's a video game.
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>>152487462
I guess the big thing for the current iteration of Isekai is to remove the OP ability from the MC. They get sent to fantasy land and aren't some chose one or destined individual. But then you get Now and Then, Here and There which is very much so a straightforward Isekai series just more somber and grimdark.

I'm still trying to find a good list to go along with >>152487524 but I don't know how you can take anything found in Isekai already and take it beyond it's conclusion without re-treading a plot for isekai that I've already seen.
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the isekai novel where the isekai guy is turned into a sword and is picked up by a slave girl
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Main villain summons MC because MC's a carrier of a disease that would utterly destroy the world.

MC deals with bystanders dying slowly in front of him, and he has no ability to stop it.
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>>152487990

Good example although I think people associate isekai with mmo stuff because of SAO.
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>>152487462
Probably a lot of edge and "this cliche actually hurts the protagonist!", since that's all deconstruction seems to mean.
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>>152487717
>salty as fuck tears literally freezing on his face
>he can still move or stay awake at all
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>>152487462
make the characters deathly afraid of fighting and give them PTSD after i guess
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>>152487462
It ISN'T an isekai.
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>>152489031
What, like they were knocked out and shipped to Australia and convinced that they'd reincarnated in an alternate world?
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>>152487462
MC gets transported to a relatively peaceful world, but doesn't really adapts to it, people realize he's a stranger and is forced to reveal his outerworldly origin, whatever political or religious forces are in the world try to either take advantage of him or want him murdered- aww shit, I just realized this is pretty much the plot of the Wizard of Oz. Forget about it.
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>>152487462
Re:Zero is Evangelion of isekai.
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>>152489082
yeah, add some this "medival land is the result of a post-apocalyptic war between techonological advanced civilization" like bastard and you are set
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>>152489082
anime adaptation of Shyamalan's The Village
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Would Log Horizon count? I mean, the food crisis and politics between the Landers and Players was pretty conceptually explorative.
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>>152487462
It would look like now and then here and there or the mc's friend in fushigi yugi
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>>152489082
>I Was Glad When I Reincarnated Out Of My Shitty Life, But Now The Back Of My Head Hurts And There Are A Suspicious Number Of Kangaroos!?
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>>152488014
madoka isn't a deconstruction, it just has a different premise and rule system

you could maybe say the mami arc has elements of one, but that's it
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ITT: plebs read tvtropes and think they know their literary terms.

>>152488014
Because it isn't.
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>>152487990
this is pretty much the answer right here
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>>152489127
Too bad you can't fucking watch it anywhere and CSIS is literally paying people to spam magnet links with trackers.
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>>152488891
The cold was very sudden. It takes a while to reach the important parts of the body, as those are on the inside.
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>>152489370
what
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>>152489370
Lurk for two years before posting.
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>>152489370
>>>/out/
Stop stealing my fucking arrows.
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>>152487462
Ixion saga.
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>>152487462
dumb
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>>152487462
digimon but darker
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>>152489372
>his mouth is wide open and he's breathing in air well below freezing
he would freeze to death in mere minutes after going unconscious in about 30 seconds
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>>152491867
So Tamers?
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>>152491930
That's why every winter, all Alaskans spontaneously die.
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>>152488060
Why does she dress like that?
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Re:Zero
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>>152492234
OP didn't ask for waifu trash.
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Basically this in anime form.
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>>152491930

pretty sure that's exactly what happened though.
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>>152487462

MC has an actually fulfilling, successful life in Japan, then gets reincarnated in a real fantasy shithole. All the girls are taken already because everyone gets betrothed at 12. He has no powers except salaryman math skills, so he's obsessed with finding a way back home for basically the entirety of the series. Eventually he learns to just move on and accept his life, even though it's a shitty life.
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>>152487462
>mc dies while he's praying in church
>gets reincarnated and decides to live an average life, makes slight use of his cheat and special snowflake status to make himself above average in strenght
>a few weeks pass and he's found a job in a small city
>suddenly the demon king's army attacks and kills everyone including him
>The End

Any story that goes beyond the first vol is already filled with asspulls to keep the mc alive.
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>>152493270
>>mc dies while he's praying in church
So how does our apparently devout Christian MC respond to demons?
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>>152488060
>they made a Strange Journey isekai
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>>152493301
DUES VULT when necessary but doesn't go out of his way to kill them.
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>>152487462
A deconstruction essentially points out the common themes and shows how they're actually terrible.
The only specifically isekai thing is transferring to a new world, usually a neet,
I imagine it'd have the MC being unprepared for a physical lifestyle, getting sick from all the food and his future knowledge being no use because he doesn't understand the core concepts necessary to make it work.
There'd also be a bunch of psycho girls like every other deconstruction to cover the harem aspect.
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>What would a "deconstruction" of isekai look like?
Here it is: MC is transported to another world but quickly realizes it's practically the same shit as the the world he came from. Mundane, the average person is fairly ordinary and trying to get by like everyone else, he's still a loser, his anime, ln and video game knowledge is worthless, he won't do anything great, no one takes any particular interest in him, girls in the new world don't like him any more or less than the ones in the old, no uniqueness, no magical potential, no quick fix speeches so now he can do anything!

Life simply continues.
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>>152487462
>mc gets summoned by some princess/female mage
>she realizes she didn't summon a bishounen hero
>sends him back for being ugly wjile mc is desperately pleading to stay to escape his shitty life
>mc is sent back to japan and commits sudoku
The End
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The entire population of earth get's isekai'd into a fantasy world.

It works with Log Horizon rules where you get resurrected after you die, but not necessarily with the memory loss, so all hell breaks loose as everyone live out their violent magical fantasies.

Not really a deconstruction, but this seems like a pretty obvious idea that I don't know why nobody used yet.
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>>152488249
this is pretty good but the disease reveal would have to be at the very end. the plot would pretty much hinge on the MC realizing that the person (probably his cute priestess sidekick) actually cooked up a bullshit story about how she used the last of her strength to summon him to save the world and now they have to journey all over to save people from a "mysterious evil", but in reality the MC is the unwitting vector for the plague basically, ala columbian exchange. maybe villain turns out to be a serial isekai ravager who travels to different worlds, identifies all the resources and sets themselves up in a comfortable position, and then has some dumbass with modern day diseases come and utterly devastate the population just by existing so they can take advantage of the population crash.
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>>152487462
Probably by having a good reason why the MC was teleported in another world in the first place.

>MC is part of an experiment to create a powerful teleportation machine, something goes wrong and the MC is teleported to what looks like a bizarre alien planet, his memories have also being wiped out. He has to survive and to learn how to adapt to the new environment.

>MC is teleported to a high fantasy world full of semen demon waifus, turns out, he's just was just a tester for a new deep VR porn game.
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>>152487462
Give the protagonist guns, flashlights and cell phones only for them to wear out at the most inconvenient time with no way to fix them.

Then make him survive on his own with knives and shit, making traps and slitting alien throats.
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>>152496196
>alien throats
Wait, is this an isekai or was he abducted?
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>>152496268
Even if he is on some fucked up parallel Earth, the life where he is is alien to his Earth.

It could be either, the important part is slitting the alien's throats, he would also have to try and negotiate with civilised, sentient aliens
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>>152492213
She wants the VenD
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>>152487462
>MC gets summoned for whatever reason
>While all the fighting goes on MC doesn't take part in it but mess around instead
>MC gets teleported back at the end because he's a useless shit
>He brings some "important in the other world but not here" elves / dwarves back with him for science
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>>152487880
That's not a deconstruction considering how many people would still self-insert into that peaceful SoL. It is still wish-fulfillment, because you resolve the problem of being mugged so easily.

It would only be a deconstruction if, after building a modest home, they are unfairly, perhaps even randomly, oppressed by the ruling class and lose all their wealth and livelihood. Only after he loses his (pregnant) wife and child to starvation are the oppressors are overthrown and he ironically finds a new menial job, his days passing lifelessly as a new, peaceful world moves without him. But when he blames his suffering on being transported to this world, he realizes that he would have been just as miserable in his original life, since he was a virgin loser. Consumed by despair, he simply collapses and cries.
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>>152487462
Gakkou Gurashi with isekai delusions?
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>>152487462
>MC has either no or just an average power instead of getting broken powers.
>He does well enough on his own for a while until he fights some mobs or a mid tier monster.
>MC is barely saved by a strong group of adventurers or knights
>MC decides to stick with them since he has no idea on the world
>MC is mostly just on the support side with his skills and they just fight regular monsters with an occasional strong one
>behind the scenes there's a hero that is fighting against the demon king which the MC has little to no involvement/his allies are the ones who deal with the demon king while he fights the fodder
>MC is only just a close friend at best to girls
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>>152487462
Make the world entirely populated by male losers then have the MC raped by a slightly stronger loser.
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Mc is a fully fledged character instead of a self insert beta otakus can relate
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>>152487462
Now and Then, Here and Now
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>>152487462
There is a Chinese Light Novel called My Disciple Has Died Again. It's a pretty good deconstruction of a isekai, though most of the cliques they rectify are the ones found in xianxia rather then isekai.
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>>152487462
Just copy Madoka lol, have the cheat come with a fate worse than death if used too much.
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>>152496687
>Gets his wife pregnant and already has another child
>Is a virgin
Gee boss
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>>152492597
There the web novel, Running Away from Hero that shares a similar premise, problem is that MC did not choose to live a meaningless life, instead he used his modern knowledge to work really hard and grew up to be middle age before the story began.
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>>152487462
>implying the word deconstruction means what you think it does

Is this board actually retarded or just pretending?
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At this point of time there are more ''''''''deconstruction''''''' than just plain straight isekai. Every isekai has to have some kind of twist now.
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>>152496917
As long as you think,
>that would be pretty cool, or
>at least that's better than working in this soulless office job,
it is still the same normal isekai behind the veneer.
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>>152487462
Just make it a dark comedy set in modern japan in wich people start killing themselves in order to reincarnate, each episode would follow a different person as they constantly daydream about their ideal fantasy world until they kill themselves in some ironic way.
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>>152487462
A man gets transported to a magical world

But

Turns out hes a serial killer so

That doesnt help anyone

Seriously whos in charge of isekai'ing people

Does anyone even check things up there
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>>152487462

Terror Infinity?


I mean, it's a game, there are rewards, but fuck if it doesnt suck

Who would want to live through Resident Evil and The Grudge in subsequence?
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>>152496747

Now that just sounds like a fantasy of your preference rather than a deconstruction, anon
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>>152496847
I can see something like that actually:
>MC and his class or several people(to maybe get some adults/older/younger students) in the school get sent into another world
>they have powers and do pretty well at the start
>then drawbacks come like use too much you die, you lose all your powers or you mutate
>not only face monsters but they are considered enemies by most of the people in that world
>a lot of them die throughout the story through various perils
>finale has MC and maybe just a few barely manage to return back to their world

alternatively if you want some happy ending:
>everyone gets revived and they return to the exact time and moment when they were transported
>but nothing was gained/brought from their travel to the other world, except maybe some trauma from the experience
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>doesn't know the language(s)
>looks different than locals, locals are xenophobic
>doesn't know local laws or customs
>brings diseases that locals aren't resistant to and faces diseases he isn't resistant to
>can't get a good job due to all above
>local women aren't attracted to him as he's basically useless foreign trash
>doesn't have any magical power just handed over
>MC is irrelevant to the world at large

There.
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You hafta work from the top down, and think of every step of the way.

First, for what purpose is your main character being teleported? What are the possible reasons? Random chance? What cause the randomness? Teleported for a specific purpose? For what purpose? Good or evil? The best plotline would likely follow being teleported there as an accessory to evil because the villain can predict how an average person will behave. But why was the villain there?

Just keep asking questions and you'll get there. And remember plot is secondary to characters. It's not actually a video game.
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>>152496985
Actually, there is already one like that. MC gets chosen by the gods based on his swordsmanship skills from a dojo to help fix the problems in another world. MC always held his murderous impulses so the gods never knew that he was that type of person.

The problem though is that he's naturally OP with all the gifts the gods gave him on top of his natural skill on the sword... and he basically has some "honor" in that he wont kill some people for "reasons", that really are just the author made up on the spot to keep the MC from killing girls(for instance, one girl gets spared because she was just ordered to assassinate him... yet earlier the MC had just killed like a dozen other hired assassins that targeted him)
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>>152496965
>from one soulless job to another
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>>152487462
Someone getting transported to another world with no powers or special abilities, being forced to live under medieval living conditions while the ruling class sneer over his misfortune as he seethes with impotent rage until one day he lashes out and is summarily executed for harming a noble figure.

Basically just take out all the special treatment that a person gets for being the main character. It would have to be short and boring as hell.
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>>152497217
Or make him want to climb to the top at any cost Vanity Fair style.
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The King summons the five strongest of another world for help.

They are all prison orcs and they proceed to rape the King.

Don't worry the King has their babies and turns into a slut
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>>152497217
>until one day he lashes out and is summarily executed for harming a noble figure.

In many place in medieval Europe you could get massive fines for even talking to a noble directly without being first spoken to.
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Doea nobody remember Muv Luv Alternative? The deconstruction of isekai was done ten years ago, and was the subject of much shitposting on /a/.
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MC is still an ordinary person in the fantasy world. He or she is disliked by everyone and is taken prisoner, presumably as an invader or a unwilling pawn.
Villain finds out the transfer and tries to find the source, intending to invade the real world.
Turns out the transfer was part of a secret government experiment for dimension hopping and time travel, in the guise of correcting the past, but has a sinister purpose: to get the world under totalitarian rule.
Villain finds out the transfer and tries to find the source, intending to invade the real world.
The project's details are leaked to the world, the government tries to kill the MC and everyone working in an experiment in attempt to cover up the experiment.
Eventually, the MC has to face both the fantasy villain and the government to save both worlds.
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>>152497438
muvluv is just a regular ol' isekai though, except with a decent mecha world and
>muh dark
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Niodme no Yuusha.
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>>152488060
how the do you have an inanimate object as an even marginally interesting main character?
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>>152491930
He... did? His head falls the fuck off like a minute later.
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>it's a 4chan doesn't know what a deconstruction is episode
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>>152487821
>deconstructions
>good
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>madoka
>deconstruction
How to spot a niwaka, everyone.
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This meme is still alive? Madokafags are really autistic
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https://shonenjumpplus.com/episode/10833519556325015574
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Actual good "Isekai" like Twelve Kingdoms which has zero romance and is all politics, world building and character development.
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>>152489082
Wait a second, isn't this just the Greed Island arc from HxH?
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>>152487659
so >>152487481
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>>152487462

It has to be as miserable as hell. For instance, we could start with a small group of friends (maybe three to four guys) ending up in the parallel world. They have powers, but their powers are a known quantity, and 'outsiders' are conscripted into combat.

Obviously, combat is as horrible and traumatic as you'd expect it to be. They're in a really, really dark fantasy setting, and they're more like people who've been thrust into Dark Souls or Berserk than your standard Dragon Quest scenario.
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>>152494358

A big one would be being unable to understand the language. Eien no Aselia actually does this quite a bit. For instance, the protagonists are slave soldiers, because the people of the land are unable to use the superpowerful sword artifacts. So they summon people from the other world to do it for them.
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>>152487462
>deconstruction
Like a college English paper based on the works of Jacques Derrida where you discuss the impossibility of language to properly convey meaning.
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>>152487462
12 kingdoms, mostly focused on side characters that got transported but got no power or kingdoms.
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>>152497438
That had isekai elements?
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Fantasy adventurer gets run over by a run away wagon and is reincarnated in the future as a Japanese office worker. He has to deal with living a normal life and typical trials like "Not getting the promotion," "Having to go drinking after work to build social standing," and "Scolding his children for doing poorly in school and bringing shame to their family."
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>>152500757
>literally a story about being transported to another world
>a world where humans are under threat of extinction from invading monsters
>with a dense MC who is a highschool boy who plays video games
>and the MC uses his mad vidya skills to operate giant robots better than all the other cadets
>and his knowledge of Virtual On beginner mode is used to code a revolutionary new giant robot OS, for which he takes the credit even though it is someone else's idea
>anyway everyone thinks he's awesome after a few false starts where he is absolutely useless at anything not to do with operating giant robots
>also throw in some time loops for good measure
It's isekai story alright
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>>152501085
how is that a deconstruction? sounds like buddy complex and other shows like that (I only watched muv luv total eclipse)
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>>152501135
It's a deconstruction because initially he treats the other world like a playground where he can play with giant robots, and signs up to join the army thinking it'll be cool. Then he learns that being a child soldier is real fucking tough, that being good with a robot doesn't mean that things will always go his way, and that he's only ever a cog in a machine instead of the prime mover of events, and then realizes that from his point of view everyone else who lives in this grimderp reality is fucked in the head and he just wants to run away home.
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>>152500451
Dork Souls isekai when?
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>>152500819
Thats pretty much this
>>152487990

Shame that they probably wont do a 2nd season as sales are still good.
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>>152501135
>(I only watched muv luv total eclipse)
Found the problem.
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>>152492000
nah, tamers is set for the most part in the real world, with only one digiworld arc. If you think about it, it's actually the opposite structure of Adventure, which has exactly one real world arc.
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>>152487462
Make an ordinary Isekai where the guy gets the girl and become a talented individual everyone looks up to, then end it with the MC waking up irl in a hospital bed/a room that reeks of diogenes syndrome. Don't explain shit.
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>>152501316
does straight isekai have none of that? are escaflowne,tower of druaga and Grimgar deconstructions?
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Demon lord summons 'heroes' from another dimension and lets them live in oblivious luxury in his palace so that when the humans try to summon people there's no one left.

>I was summoned to another world by a shifty Demon Lord but he just wants to play video games with me?!?
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Konosuba
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>>152487462
>MC, young adult scientist, sent to the actual past from a science experiment (no fucking magic)
>I'm talking medieval England when plagues and corruption were a thing
>Thinks he's in for some wild adventures
>Turns out struggling to survive as a lowly peasant.
>Uses knowledge of future to help him survive, use it too much however, and he gets framed as a wizard because people believed in that I guess.
>To add some suffering, add some backstory about how some people were sent back to find him but were sent at a much earlier time then him because they haven't perfected time travel, so have the MC find out about "witches and wizards" that the were burned at the stake years prior.
>Hell have one of them be his best friend from the present.
>Finally resolves to try to find a way back.
>He fucking can't, only way back is the way he came but technology was too primitive, even if he starts advancing technology, it would take him more than his lifetime and he'll arouse too much suspicion he's literally stuck there until he dies
>Ending can be an aged and more wise MC who has journeyed to back to Japan with the family he's made.
>His last ditch effort.
>Create an heirloom that has a secret message only he knows he can figure out.
>Telling himself to stay home on the date of the incident.
>Gives it to a family that he has been searching for, one with his last name.
>He finally dies in Japan
>Centuries pass
>Years before the incident
>The young MC finds the heirloom looking around his house one day
>Accidentally breaks it.
>The cycle continues.
Didn't expect to write this much
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>>152501443
Escaflowne is more of a classic. Grimgar is definitely a deconstruction. I haven't seen Druaga personally.
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>>152487524
I posted this as a definition of deconstruction before and got called out as retarded several times.
Someone fucking respond, are people just ignoring this post or has the /a/ opinion changed?
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>>152501517
That's pretty much the backstory of Makai Ouji's main character.
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>>152487481
Yes. People who say otherwise are just being contrarian. Konosuba points out the tropes of the genre and inverts them while still functioning as part of thr genre.
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>>152498174
How the fuck does the cold make your head fall off? Haven't gotten around to watch Re:tard yet,
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>>152501529
>scientist
>experiments on himself, of all things (ok let's admit it's an accident)
>successfully manage to time travel
>doesn't plan for a way back
>doesn't know the basic rules of time travel, nor is he trying to figure out whether he created a new continuity or is just stuck with a flow of time he can't change nor matter what he tries
>nothing happens, the MC isn't changed by his experience, he just grows old and die
That's one retarded scientist.
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>>152487462
Reverse Isekai.
MC got lucky and avoided being transported to a fantasy land. It looks like people from around the world is being forcibly transported to fight in another land. MC join a team of people like him. This is because they have the potential to be great because they were chosen to be transported. They now work for the world government to save the people of their world that was transported. Of course, they have a support team going with them. They will look like the bad guys because of wanting to save their own people.
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>>152487524
First I suppose we should think of a reason why anyone would summon a random individual from another world. There admittedly isn't much merit to it, but what about increasing the scale a little? What about summoning thousands, millions of humans? There would admittedly be a lot of advantages to having at one's disposition as many humans as you need, and undeclared ones that don't exist in regards to the local law at that.
>free workforce
>prostitution
>energy (like in the Matrix)
>food
Just with these possibilities we could make for a good plot.
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>>152501570
how so? if I recall correctly that one was about solomon summoning demons and making them into his friends
>>152501517
10/10 would watch
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>>152502019
Solomon is the demon lord, and it soon turns out all the demons in Makai Ouji are just heroes and gods who went to hell.
Moreover William and Solomon merged.
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>>152487711
>Harem

The MC gets to babysit loony bitches and gets blueballed by them all the time.
The show is a self-aware parody full of refferences of other shows it makes fun of.
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>>152501529
that reminds me of eternal children or wonderful children, I can't recall the name. its were 12 scientist send their minds into the past to be reborn as kids and have to deal with hardship of being kids while avoiding killers it also has alien giants
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>>152497192
Doesn't he just straight up kill the god that comes for him?
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>>152501566
>deconstruction
deconstruction is a tvtropes, literary deconstruction has different meaning and people also often use it interchangeably with subversion so that is were most of the confusion comes from
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>>152501980
meh, laws would get changed. There is no benefit in having bunch of immigrants since if you have that much power you could already have the locals and if there is a demographic problem there is no point in being mean to the new people
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>>152502118
Well he kills one of the gods(there were 3). He was going to kill the other 2 but he was already being transported to the other world.
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>>152487462
>MC, generic useless otaku cunt unsatisfied with his life
>MC reincarnates into a new world
>It has a magic system based on the Seven Deadly Sins
>The more you let the sin consume you the more powerful you are at that magic type
>But the drawback is you constantly start summoning thematic demons
>Demons are ranked by their potency, from imp, fiend, lesser demon, greater demon, devil complete with similarly thematic powers
>Higher ranked demons contrarily have a harder time sinning outside of their type
>This means higher level demons are actually decent if you can tolerate their flaw
>But they have trouble using magic outside of their specialty
>MC discovers his magic is mostly teleportation based and can't do much of anything else and is generic nice guy eunuch dickless MC but there is a reason for this
Now the plot twist
>MC is actually a Devil of Envy
>It's not actually the first time he isekai'd, he originally isekai'd himself to earth from the current world
>MC literally summoned himself back to the world he originally out of sheer boredom of earth

I'm actually writing this. I just need a reason for the initial memory loss and for him to regain his memories and I'm golden.
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>>152502066
I only watched the anime. I recall Gilles de Rais being in hell while joan of arc was in heaven. I don't recall anything making me think Solomon was anything more than the biblical Solomon, I guess that is common with "come check out the manga" anime
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>>152502192
That's only if there are locals.
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>>152487462
>MC is a well adjusted happily married man
>gets taken to another world
>focuses on getting back
>eventually sells out the whole world to the demon king to get back home
>mao keeps his word
>his back just in time for his kids birth day
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>>152502275
good point. it could be like Ima, Soko ni Iru Boku bad guy could be an wizard working on building a magic gate to res his people and he needs lots of labor but can't into necro or golems
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>>152487524
Jap tourists walking down the street somewhere in America and taking pictures of everything.
Truck appears and driver avoids the Jap in time.
Just as he's about to continue on his way the Jap kid makes a snap shot with the blitz on and blinds the driver enough for him to crash into some obstacle and die.
Cue middle-aged American truck driver gets summoned by a godess instead of the Jap kid.
He goes on a rampage in the other world freeing it from Japs who keep fucking it up.

Basically a show of FUCK YOU JAPAN!
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>>152502252
Nah you're actually right, the other anon forgot to say the other details(or he hasnt finished F/GO).

Solomon is from the bible and is a heroic spirit in the throne of heroes, its just that from the plot of F/GO, his physical body got taken over by the demons he summoned before and he's the main antagonist in the game.
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>>152487462

>Series starts as generic high fantasy
>MC is happy surrounded by best girls
>Dies in the fantasy world
>Wakes up in a real life world
>Typical salary slave who's completely alone
>Can't shake memories of fantasy world and doesn't know how to carry on
>Kills self
>Fin
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>>152502424
Does he do it artistically by dressing as a bird and jumping of a building? could be a nice drama if he convinces other depressed people of his delusion and they all happily go watch him fly only for him to splat. not enough for a show but I can see it being "critically acclaimed movie"
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>>152487524

Surely the influx of over-powered interdimensional heroes plays havoc with the economies and politics of the world they land in. Eventually this unrest catalyzes existing tensions into full out civil war along faction lines within the population.

Just as the protagonists have vanquished the dark lord, they are now faced with full blown sectarian war between common people, with no concrete targets or objectives. Their epic qurst to vanquish evil has turned into a depressing search for any halt to the slaughter and suffering of innocents along every side.
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>>152493270

> Not having the MC survive the initial onslaught of the dark forces with help from a relegious order.

> Not having him indirectly join their ranks in gratitude.

> Not having hin seeing the suffering the war brings on the people of the land.

> Not having him become further and further radicalized by the relegious order.

> Not having him go full templar, sacking the demon capital and revisiting every horror he witnessed on the populace.

> Not having the denouement being a moment of sobriety amid the wreckage to realize he has just perpetuated the cycle, and his coming to this world has left both he and it in a worse state.
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>>152502618
was not that a subplot in Chaika and Maoyu?
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>>152501715
Stop asking stupid questions that's easily answerable by watching the anime
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>>152496687
Technically, it's called a subversion of expectations and not a deconstruction. Then again

>/a/
>able to know what words actually mean

I gotta admit I like your idea.
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>>152497086
I bet people would find that too realistic.
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>>152500647
Bingo! Finally an anon who actually knows what the word deconstruction is used for! It's sad that I'm actually glad to see one anon here who actually knows what he's talking about.
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>>152497086
Pretty much this. Though the thing needs work to make the MC's suffering interesting.
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>>152497086
>ends up living in a cave or being an outcast herbalist (if he is lucky enough to know how herbs work).
most modern people don't know how technology or electricity work so they would have a hard time using "modern knowledge"
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>>152497086
So, Gargantia?
Except the women are attracted to the MC.
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>>152502208
Please post your result on /a/ when you're ready.
Writing it in spoiler tags if necessary.
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>>152503086
and MC has a robot that can glass Gargantia. he really should have started a totalitarian kingdom, Gargantia is a shithole where teens are strippers, they drink rain water and medicine sucks, they don't even have normal ways of communication
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>>152503022

If we're dealing with pre-1600s social conditions in Europe, even a high school education would be an amazing boon. Granted, simply having a cavity would make life miserble, but just being to read and write, eventually in the local language, would probably score you a boring but moderately comfortable life in a burg somewhere.

Until you run afoul of whatever relegious sect burns you alive for being a heretic, anyway.
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>>152502828

This is "Maoyuu Maou Yuusha", right. I may have to watch this, assuming it's not a snore fest.
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>>152503086
he did learn the language fast (or got an injection or something) and I don't recall his diseases killing anyone. it would be interesting if instead of a robot he had 1 loaded gun in a society without guns, meaning he would think on how to best use his ammo and if he should use it or not, also about how to build up a reputation so people don't fuck with him once the ammo runs out
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Winner.
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>>152502424

Actually, this reminds me, how many isekais go the John Carter of Mars route and have the hero bouncing between worlds, often unhappy when they are stuck on mundane Earth?
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>>152502208
>I just need a reason for the initial memory loss and for him to regain his memories and I'm golden
Why force a memory loss? It's cliché and boring. Just make the audience think they know the MC, foreshadow the twist with a few hints here and there, then drop the bomb.
You also need to create a secondary objective for your MC. Is he trying to get back to earth? To overtake the neighboring demon country? You as the author knows his objective is basically enjoying himself (which means you also need to determine what is it he finds interesting) but that on its own won't carry the plot, moreover, if you hide his being a devil of envy from the audience you'll need to bait the audience and the MC's entourage with that objective. Which really is just a mean for the MC to enjoy himself.
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>>152503218
>I don't recall his diseases killing anyone
The local diseases killed his commander.
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>>152503162
I could be wrong about this but merchants dedicated merchants could read by the age of 25 so its not that special. one of the things I see often is a crack generator made out of 2 magnets and a golden wire which realistically would be hard to find so there is also a problem of knowing how but being unable to get the materials. There is also the transitional gap, for example many doctors today know how to use modern medicine but can't do herbs and you would be hard pressed to find a software guy who could build you something like windows 95 or older.
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>>152503210
its not a snore fest but its not really interesting. most subplots are rushed, I hated the Serf and overall you are better off with spice and wolf. Maoyuu did help me learn more about crop rotation so I guess that is something
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>>152503351

You don't have to go full enlightenment though. The number of even lesser nobility who couldn't be arsed to learn either basic bookkeeping or even literacy was staggering.

If you're willing to spend your existence transcribing dictation or maintaing the accounts for some boor, you could get by just fine.

Also, there's always becomming a priest, but that comes with it's own issues.
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>>152503097
Problem is I don't even know where I would post it. Do amateur writers post their stuff on multiple websites or just one popular one ( that I don't know what it is )? A blog, maybe?
>>152503309
>Why force a memory loss? It's cliché and boring. Just make the audience think they know the MC, foreshadow the twist with a few hints here and there, then drop the bomb.
That actually sounds a lot better than whatever I was going to come up with.
Yeah, probably going to forgo the amnesia plot. Thanks anon.
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>>152503507
No problem.
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>>152496747
So a prison world isekai?
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>>152487462
All these anons with their power fantasies.
>Go to another world
>You are no one special, no powers, don't speak the language
>Barely get by and survive working series of shit jobs
>Eventually die of dysentery a few years later
>Never change or effect anything
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>>152503576

A story must first be interesting. Dying of bubonic plague within 5 pages isn't going to cut it.
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>>152503576
villager A isekai huh
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>>152492338
I'd watch the living fuck out of that.
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>>152495776
>The entire population of earth get's isekai'd into a fantasy world
>this seems like a pretty obvious idea that I don't know why nobody used yet.
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>>152503461
True but most of those people had connections. Things would be bit harder for a stranger from strange country, yet history is not without its examples of such people making it big. it really depends on what type of person you are and I just don't see shut in neet type shining in the new world. warriors types get bit more freedom since modern law is no longer there to tell them to cool it but deadbeats will be deadbeats. becoming a storyteller could be an option but that comes with its own problems
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>>152487462
Isekai in our world is always great

Seeing how mages,knights and devils trying to get used to our world is always a fun read
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>>152497086
Yep.
The greatest fun is when they have to work for it.

Imagine getting ported to skyrim with only your clothes and no knowledge of the language.
You bet your ass you'll be chopping wood and plowing the fields and hoping no dragon swoops in, necromancer kidnapps you etc. untill you learn the language and are able to train in magic.
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>>152503507
Irl scenarists and writers pitch their hook to randoms sitting alone at cafés and restaurants (because they obviously don't have anything more important to do at the moment than listen to you), usually their target demographic. Then depending on whether the guy is interested or not, and the comments they make (if there's one negative comment that keeps coming back or the guy starts yawning in the middle, you might want to find out what's wrong), they rewrite it. Sometimes they send it to script doctors for a fee.
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>>152503576
>Go to another world
>its an advanced world
>everyone is smarter then you and you can't even use basic teach
>robots do all the low level jobs so you get none of those jobs
>if you are lucky gov makes an exception and gives you a pension
>if you are unlucky they study you to take over your world
>no one is impressed with your anti PC sylvester stallone ways or with your ideas on true love.
>die in mediocrity, having seen a new society and done nothing with your findings
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>>152503737

You just steal iron ingots and make a mountain of daggers and then be that silent viking no one understands, who punches dragons to death.
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>>152503706
says
>this seems like a pretty obvious idea that I don't know why nobody used yet.
while also talking about log that did use it
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>>152503706
>i don't know how to use greentext
>this seems like a pretty obvious idea that I don't know why nobody used yet
Because it takes away the fun of Isekai, which is more about meeting new people from fantasy lands than the fantasy land itself.
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A house of cards type isekai
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>>152503795
wut? these days there are like beta readers or something like that, you could do that all using the net and you should not change anything because 1 person said something
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>>152487462
>MC goes to another world
>turns out that other world doesn't have the same atmospheric composition
>MC dies of oxygen poisoning/deprivation
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>>152502095
That's not a deconstruction. That's a parody. It hits the same notes for humor, that's it.
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>>152503925
>you should not change anything because 1 person said something
Kek, that's something only an amateur would say. If everyone you talk to says your shit is boring or the MC is bland, then you need to rewrite your shit. It's just common sense. You're talking to the people who would buy your shit.
The probability you're pitching a masterpiece to them is very low anyways.
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>>152503847
NO VIDEO GAME SYSTEMS AND LVL UP MENUS!
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>>152501576
>Inverts them

In what way?
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How about Berserk gets a prequel that retcons Gut's origin and we see how he made that grimdark story up and he's been so strong because of some dimension crossing angel's gift as he entered the world he's in now.
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>>152487462
Who is the best girl from Madoka?
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>>152504273
Sayaka
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>>152497081
a few episodes after the second character dies, they wake up in a facility where the first one to die is already there. They're guinea pigs for some VR experiment and the MC shifts from the leader in the VR world to the one who wakes up in the facility. How you want that story to end could go a few ways.
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>>152504419
>Those experience from playing in virtual reality are actually applicable in real life.
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>>152504273
H O M U
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Dunno, hard to be a god is kinda isekai, no?

Maybe make something less self-aware. No skills or skillpoints but a character that knows how to study / use willpower from our world and applies the same principles to get good at magic. Also isekai in sci-fi setting or dark souls setting.

Honestly the isekai doesn't need "deconstruction", i still enjoy a lot of works, but it would have been cool if they expanded they arsenal from the standart fantasy.

But now that I think about it, what makes stuff isekai is a)hero from our world and b)he is aware of the setting and knows what to do, or at least is given a clear path, so maybe don't give him a path. Basically I feel like isekai is based on the frustration with the mundane sooo maybe a journey where the character makes our world more like fantasy with whatever means is the answer to deconstruction? Like goes to invent magic through whatever and breed grills with whatever has pointy ears.
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>>152504602
But you discount that there would be games where exactly the appeal.
Imagine a VR dark souls type of game where the difficulty lies in being your human self with your human abilities and overcoming fantastical creatures and monstrosities
I'd sure as fuck play that game.
Hard core mode: Full pain simulation.
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>>152504602
Depends on how accurate the VR is.

Just imagine it as simulation for the real thing. Pilots are given a flight simulator to get an idea of how to fly a plane as close as possible without going practical, so they know how much it can turn, what does each function do, how it feels to fall, etc.

A VR that has you train with a sword versus a realistic opponent is probably better than a real life practice, in that you don't get physically hurt, you and the opponent don't have to hold back in attacking.
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>>152504059
you should take input but there are readers for any kind of shit. There is no book that has 0 one stars and even trash lit can sell 50.000 + copies, marketing is the key
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>>152504881

I've yet to see a single VR that wasn't absolute shit for kinesthetic learning. Wooden swords and padded training armor exist, same as boxing gloves, for a reason.
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Is there a VRMMO isekai where the most powerful characters are the ones who microtransacted to victory, instead of the ones who have superpowers?
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>>152501980
I actually like the idea that they have access to mass summoning, and figured out from other people they've summoned that there is a lot of fiction involving this kind of shit. So they start lying to their summoned workers faces about grand threats which don't exist (or which the summoners actually are) and giving them propoganda, realising that they can say "the rest of the world is lying" and leave it at that. After all, they're the noble hero summoners.
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>>152505110
boxing yes works, but something like swordplay could be better in VR.

think about it like this: if you use wooden swords, the speed is not going to be the same as like a real sword, and you could suffer some injuries if people really put in power. boxing is more applicable and useful for practical training as it also improves your durability and muscles, with gloves that soften the blows.
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>>152487462
Build up the show, have a MC come in from another world and form a party, then kill him off and have the party fucked over, move perspective to one of them, maybe like the female lead who gets raped and thrown in a dungeon, basically hitting button of the barrel, and show her building herself back up while using that to show off the world from that perspective, how the machinations of a kingdom and war is viewed from a slave/former hero whose goal ultimately changes from what it was originally, like maybe instead of trying to kill the demon king, joining him to try to end the world that betrayed you.
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>>152505154
Overlord
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>>152487462
>two episodes of young adult MC struggling with new language and customs but in love with the new world
>realizes integration is a pipe dream
>lives like a hermit writing stories from Earth
>episodes are him reading the stories to people that stumble across his home in a somber comedic tone as there are miscommunications and wistfulness of his past life
>gives the books he reads to his passing audiences
>decades later on death bed visited by someone who got a hold of one of his books
>its translated in the local language and many other languages far and wide
>finds out he's the greatest novelist of his time but no one has been able to locate him.
>dictates his own biography dying immediately after
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>>152505154

This could be fun.
>after a long adventure, protagonist stakes his everything in a dramatic duel against his rival
>comes up with elaborate strategies, predicts how his opponent will move and respond, plans around everything
>fight starts
>his attacks do no damage
>what is going on?
>rival sold cash shop cosmetics to nerds. bought the best armor in the game, and enchanted it to max without even doing the dungeon
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>>152505376
So you're telling me you want to play with real swords with a monitor strapped to your face instead of watching a real person with your own eyes using a training technique that has been used since the beginning of swordplay. All because using a real sword = more realistic experience?

I think there is room for VR in physical training, but I don't think it will ever replace real sparring for the same reasons why you think boxing works. Not all sword fights are showdown at dusk samurai movie one cut duels. You have to take hits too.
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>>152505717
Again I would say it depends on how good the VR is.

For example, lets say practicing to dodge/evade really fast attacks. You could practice it in real life but you would get sore after a couple of hits if your body isn't that trained yet. Now with VR, lets say it is as responsive as reality, you could do the same thing but avoid getting hurt in case you fail.
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>>152505376

I'm going to talk out my ass, because I'm not a looney tune Pole who participates in medieval melees.

1. The wooden sword needs to be about 5 lbs or so, heavier than an actual weapon. This is the same as training gloves being heavier than competition gloves in boxing.

2. No way around it; you need to be able to work through taking a hit.

3. Beating on each other builds stamina, and gets you used to overcoming the fear of getting in front of someone who wants to fuck you up.

VR could do some cool shit for stamina training, etc., but I don't see sparring going anywhere in the upcoming decades.
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>>152505892
I also cannot wait for holodeck technology.
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>>152487462

Mc die in a fantasy world
And then resurrect in a world like ours
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Don't ignore that the heroes just lost everything. They don't become strong or important. No fateful meeting at the start that sets their course. They start as nobodies and their main concern is what to eat and where to sleep.
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>deconstruction means bad things happen to MC or the MC isn't the MC
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>>152506182
For isekai those things are subversive enough to contribute to a deconstruction. I'd say a majority of isekai narratives involve an irrelevant person suddenly finding themselves wrapped up in a grand scheme which elevates them from their boring, insignificant life. So having the protagonist be "normal" and thus in over their head, or still not being relevant after finding themselves in another world are both valid starting points for a deconstruction.

Of course a deconstruction involves heavy analysis and the subversion of more than just one genre pitfall/trope, so it'd only be a starting point.
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>>152504123
They are poor and useless
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>>152506720
At this point, almost any kind of "fish out of water" experience for the MC qualifies for a deconstruction.
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Main Villain summons mc since he has aids, then the main villain brainwash mc into spreading his aids to every girl in the isekai world but then the mc rape the main villain and defeat her. after having 100+ girl harem, the mc and every aids he spread magically gone except for the main villain.
then the mc wakes up, wetting his bed with semen
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> MC starts as villager in a fantasy land, born to a single mother who works for pittance as a village healer.

> MC loves her, but assumes she's a bit off, since she has always claimed his father was the great hero summoned to save their world years ago. After all, why would they be living in poverty in a backwater village if his father was a great hero.

> MC eventually joins up with the kingdom's military, fighting off the new demon invasion. In the process, he grows close to a blacksmith's daughter, who repairs his gear time and again since her father is too busy with greater tasks.

> The two of them begin a relationship on the campaign trail. When she eventually tells him that she's pregnant, he cannot deal with it, and enlists in the vanguard to get away. She leaves the campaign for home, heartbroken.

> Later in the series, he grows in renown, and eventually meets some of the great heroes of the kingdom's army. One famous knight in particular seems to warms up to him.

> Deep in his cups one night, the great hero reveals that he was originally just a commoner from another world, summoned into this one, and given great power in order vanquish evil. He fell in love with a healer on their journeys, and while her love carried him through his trials, she eventually reveled that she was pregnant.

> The great hero felt some remorse, but he had not traveled to this world to settle down and raise a family, especially with someone so low in birth or wealth as a common healer.

> Realizing who the man is, the MC murders him in a fit of rage before disappearing into the night. The final scene closes on the MC sitting alone near a campfire, gazing at a memento he kept from the blacksmith's daughter.
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>>152507022
They have to at least lack any special powers. Even Re:zero/Konosuba still have the protagonist being given some kind of advantage. Although if you remove any advantage except knowledge then it becomes kinda boring.

Wasn't there a series about an engineer getting isekai'd with no advantages except knowledge? I'd like to see how that scenario plays out.
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>>152508076

It's called Kingdom of Heaven.

Be sure to watch the Director's Cut or it won't make sense. Great movie.
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>>152487462
A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court
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>>152506926
No and no? He was poor for all of like half a novel, and he was never useless.
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>>152508076
But it doesn't have to be boring without the advantage. A genuine struggle to achieve strength is what a lot of fiction used to be. Isekai's need that injection, struggle and hardship just to gain things.

Instead it is literally always handed to them with one advantage or another, even ones that claim that they don't have cheat items.
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>>152508320
The thing is, a gimmick-less isekai would need well written characters and a fanbase to receive them. Any good writer isn't going to ruin their reputation by writing a work in a genre associated with wish fulfillment garbage and the fans who eat up isekai only do it because it's easy escapism.
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>>152487524
that's not how deconstruction works. Deconstruction is about taking the formula apart, bringing into the spotlight what is meritable and trashing any unnecessary features kept primarily through trends of imitation rather than function. Trying to take the obvious and make it somehow surprising or new or contrary to expectation is just subversion. You don't explicitly have to make "more" sense of it than there already was, it just happens to help when you're deconstructing a formula weighed down by cliche. People constantly grasp the wrong end of the stick on that matter. It's frequent by circumstance not be definition.
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For those who give a shit, new chapter of the spear hero spinoff has been released. Actual shieldbro manga chapter, not yet.
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>>152505154
There's Paying to Win in a VRMMO, about a filthy rich ikemen who starts playing a VRMMO because his waifu asks him to and then starts abusing the shit out of his unlimited supply of cash.

The best part is when he runs into the Kirito fanboys and the final boss is the ultimate Kirito fanboy King Kirito.
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>>152501715
Doesn't Puck cut his head off with a spell or something? That's what I thought happened at least
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>>152509703

It's implied from a latter scene that people just shatter from the rapid temperature change when Puck decides to fuck off and destroy the world.
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>>152487462
In many non-ironic ways, Konosuba is a valid answer to this question. The issue here is that there are so many Isekai shows that there's not as many classic, staple tropes to deconstruct as usual. If you really wanted to go hardcore and analyze this you'd need to go look at much older shows like Digimon or Monster Rancher.
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>>152501980
>>152502192
>>152505235
So Log Horizon?
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>>152509681
>king kirito with a kirito harem weilding the kiritosword, a talking kirito that cuts things. KIRITOCEPTION
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>>152487462
>What would a "deconstruction" of isekai look like?
An academic essay.
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>>152504123
>Kazuma's death is pathetic
>the axis cult constantly abandoning the quest in favor of hedonism
>Kazuma is an unabashed jackass and borderline rapist
>author doesn't gloss over things like language
>all of the party members are ridiculously powerful but too retarded to use their powers effectively
>Kazuma and Aqua's financial adventures
>nobody takes the axis cult seriously and most of the time they win by coincidence or Kazuma's luck stat

Konosuba isn't a straight up deconstruction but it definitely subverts a lot of tropes.
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A reverse isekai about your very stereotypical fantasy hero boy getting brought to Earth, and he goes through similar cliches and culture clashing that your average isekai protagonist who gets brought to a generic fantasy world would go through.
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>>152512711
There's an Australian live action series about that.
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>>152501980
A mass summon could be usefull to build an army to fight in a war or something.
Another posibility is that the humas are required as a sacrifice or some delicious food. They are put in a prison-like building to wait until they are killed, so they try to scape by thier one means and go back to their real world. But this is imposible without the help of the people that summoned them in the first place so they either kill them selfs or live among the locals.
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>>152487462
MC gets teleported to a primitive medieval world and helps to better it using his knowledge of modern technology until an aid worker comes along and the MC realises he was on earth the entire time.
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>>152512771
The zombie one? I still don't know if I liked that or not.
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>>152512865
Summoned Slaughterer is doing that. Kinda.
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>>152501980
>k stat
Kuro no Maou does something a little like this, there's only a hundred of them but they're summoned to get around a prohibition on black magic.

Too bad that series has slow as fuck pacing.
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>>152513052
I was thinking the wizard one. It's a bit shit.
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>>152513303
>It's a bit shit.
Why can't the Ausbros into good media. Kind of a shame since they're so nice to listen to.
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>>152513379
>nice to listen to
Only if it's for comedy.
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>>152491930
That happens
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>>152505154
>shitty merchant
>demons breaks through the city and kills him
>The End

The only well written stories are those who are overpowered geniuses, special snowflakes otherwise the mc will die in the 1st vol.
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>>152487462
Reverse isekai, an elf that had an harem is transferred to the real world and has to work and doesn't get a lover.

Or Hataraku Maou-sama.
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>>152514546
I raise you
>minotaur with a harem of wives (cocksleeves) gets transported to earth and tries to create a new one with nothing but his trusty axe
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>>152514644
This would be a great one-shot fap/comedy manga.
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>>152487462
MC is 3D and teleported into an isekai show.
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>>152487462
This glorious thread that happened a while back
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>>152516163
That shit reeks of /v/
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A deconstruction of an isekai story is hard because isekai stories are pretty typical Monomyth-style tales with a minor caveat at the start.

Probably the best way to deconstruct it is to either have someone straight up avoid the journey (ie the hero knows about parallel universes and fucks off or something), every time the hero dies he's reincarnated in a different universe, or the hero has already completed his task and is more about trying to return home ala the Odyssey.
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>>152516347
Lad half of all isekai series have video game basis.
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>>152516163
>KILL THE ANIMALS
Holy shit
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>>152516606
>every time the hero dies he's reincarnated in a different universe
I've thought of this idea a few times but it always just turns into some tragic "MC makes friends, MC dies, MC is depressed when he rewakes in a new world without friends, rinse and repeat" bullshit
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>>152516347
There's also the isekai XCOM copypasta.
Overall, isekai really attracts the /v/ crowd.
There's your explanation for it being shit.
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>>152487462
Ima, Soko ni Iru Boku (Now and Then, Here and There)
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>>152516782
>MC dies for the first time
>gets isekei'd into dangerous fantasy world
>initially that he lost his friends and life on earth
>gets off balanced by the fact that he makes a ton of cool friends who genuinely like him in new world
>MC dies again while friends are freaking out
>gets isekai'd into a different world
>loses all of the friends he made
>makes new cool friends but it still hurts
>dies again
>over hundreds and hundreds of deaths the MC loses his optimism, starts getting more jaded and starts treating every reincarnation more and more like a game where he stops caring about the individual people and more for himself and his own goals
>final arc is where he dies and gets isekai'd into the first world he got isekai'd to and meets all of his original friends again who are ecstatic to see him after thinking he was dead
>but he's a changed man

Could work.
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>>152517237
initially sad*
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>>152516163
Don't we already have an isekai where the MC just exploits glitches to get by?
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>>152517237
What if his friends use the power of friendship to break the dimensional wall and come to meet him?
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>>152516606
Something like that was presented in Hero Union BBS, but not elaborated that much.
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>>152516606
How about "someone else isekais into your world but you're not sure if he's legit."

The series would be about the MC's interactions with some crazy dude who claims he was from another world and he actually seems to hold some merit. Basically isekai from a third person perspective.
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>>152501353
Man, that was a fun movie.

COME FIND ME WHEN YOU WAKE UP
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>>152517237
>as he keeps on being isekai'd what he does with his new lives keeps on getting more ambitious and reckless, initially from just having friends in one life, to being an adventurer in another, starting a family in another, to the latter reincarnations where he's starting all out wars, trying to become a necromancer, or toppling governments just because he can and knows that if he fails he'll just be isekai'd to a new world
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>>152487462
"deconstruction" means nothing and should stay on tv tropes.
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>>152517530
Those stories are fairly common too though, but not really as Isekai. We've all watched or read stories about the person from a mysterious old civilization ending up in the modern era.

A more interesting Isekai would be like, a character from a Shadowrun-like universe born into a more typical Fantasy universe. You would have a clash of magical styles and technology.
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>>152516163
>tfw your shitty post is in there
Embarrassing.
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>>152517804
>ZnT but Louise summons a street sam
[RULES OF NATURE INTENSIFIES]
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>>152487462
>What would a "deconstruction" of isekai look like?
Final fantasy tactics advanced: the animation.
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>>152487462
Remove "everybody speaks Japanese" and "MC prefers new world over old one and doesn't miss family and old life".

That would be a good start already.
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>>152502143
TvTropes didn't make that definition up, it already existed and it popularized the faggotry. Because it's a site for fans.
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>>152519351
What if the last hero was japanese and the whole world speaks japanese because of them?
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>>152519584
>isekai where the world's lore hints that the legendary hero of old was isekai'd
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>MC lives in a medieval world with magic
>Castle is attacked, get killed
>Reincarnated in modern Japan with fuzzy memories
>Turns out magic still exist
>Other reincarnated characters fuck things up with magic
>MC has to keep them in check and find out what the fuck happened in the old world
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>four larpers in the woods get isekai'd
>the joke is that although everybody in the new fantasy world is serious the main characters are just roleplaying and looking like retards
>they're referring to random ladies in the local pubs as fair maidens and getting laughed at
>they're being melodramatic and yelling out cheesy attack names while actual knights and knight waifus are looking at them and laughing
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>>152520205
>MC roleplays as a mary sue
>throws an autistic hissyfit when he realizes that the fantasy world literally shits on his shitty character's backstory and that he can't be ""Lord of the Demonbane""
>constantly monologues to random people about all of these great feats he's never done and how extraordinary he is when he's just a petty ragged adventurer in their eyes
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>>152487481
> A bunch of idiots fucking around and doesn't go beyond a parody is considered a deconstruction.
Kill yourself you cancerous konosubafag.
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>>152520399
>childhood friend pretends to be a vampire, which doesn't even fit in with the isekai world's setting
>tries to prove she's a vampire by biting random people and causing comedic shenanigans

>other friend is the tryhard grimdark and edgy roleplayer who claims she's killed her parents and works as an assassin for a shadow organization that doesn't even exist
>has this big plan to dramatically backstab the MC in nearly every episode but it backfires and she helps the MC in the long run every time

>other friend claims to be an archwizard despite there only being one in the world
>but in the actual reality of this fantasy world he doesn't even have any magical affinity beyond petty firebolts

>serious plot that involves life and death scenarios, backstabbing, political intrigue and war surround them thanks to the world being in turmoil
>but they treat it all like a fun roleplaying session when the actual denizens are dying around them and living through despair

>they beat the big bad evil villain because the big bad evil villain doesn't take them seriously
>bring peace and prosperity to the land
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>>152517636
Best part was when she dies again even though he knows the future and told her already.
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>>152520066
I like it. Although, reincarnation is funky. Reminds me of World Break and how all of that was in the past.
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>>152520062
That's been done a bunch of times already.
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>>152520979
>one of them is roleplaying a bard (in reality his class is barbarian)
>keeps attempting to seduce
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>>152521285
Post example then
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>>152503219
This.
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>>152487462
I'll give you something and reasons why this seems much more new and interesting perspective.
> MC is native rather than the transportee
Offers new perspective rather than the usual self-insert.
> It is humans vs. demons but guns exist on both sides. With the incoming industry currently booming for humans, while demons attempt to catch up through stealing plans and spies. Demons have greater physical capabilities, having the ability of flight, inhuman strength, and so on. Usual magic does not exist like fireballs. Also, demons are basically humans but easily recognizable through animal features.
It creates an field of disadvantage and challenge for humans and mc.
> Prophecy is told through the church by god that heroes will be summoned.
> MC questions along with several generals and his friends as to why we need chosen heroes since the known weapons chosen by god are swords, bows and other crap (hello, guns?).
Keeps skepticism and awareness of such tropes.
> MC finds out the the heroes is one student (generic mc-kun) and bunch of girls (harem for generic-ass) including an average wimp with no blessings (he's the only normal person and is a pretty good listener and debater). He finds them ridiculous but feels sorry for the wimp.
> God has given them understanding and language of the world (except for wimp).
MC and wimp questions why along with others (keeps realism to an extent).
Cont.
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>>152521317
I can't because I have only watched 5 anime.
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>>152487462
Someone posted about it in another isekai-bitching thread.

A kid who plays a lot of videogames gets hit by a Japanese truck and falls into coma. It cuts back and forth between his very literal escapism filled with subconscious symbolism, and his real life family and friends visiting him and dealing with the situation.
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>>152522142
>Alicization
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>>152521505
Anyone want me to continue with the next part? What do you guys think?
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>>152522448
Might as well go ahead. Seems fairly interesting. Dunno that the harem is really necessary given the setting.
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>>152522644
It's the part I'm going to incorporate on. The person who sees the harem is not receiving it. Also, the mc sees this trope and immediately recognizes it as nonsensical of how the generic-ass student is getting his dick sucked despite being the average schmuck and above average (wimp is absolutely average on the other hand and got the worst end of the stick being forced to learn the language on his own and have no sacred weapon)
).
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>>152520205
>two are HEMAfags, one is a Skallagrim fanboy, and the fourth is just used to boffer larp but the only one whose character is allegedly really good at melee
>The HEMAfags are as skilled as squires and other low-tier professionals, and with some pointers from a knight, get better
>because they talk about how good the 4th guy is (in character) people assume he must really be good
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>>152494703
This. The unspoken assumption of isekai is how going to another world would change everything, and the biggest possible subversion of that is to have nothing change.
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>>152516782
Rip off a certain TV show I remember, make MC an angel or some other otherworldly being that thinks he's a human.
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>>152496747
No. Just transport all the NEETs, recently dead, Truck'd, and suicidal people of the world at the same time. Since nobody was given a clear goal, and everyone's pretty sure they were called for some special reason, they all choose a role they think they're supposed to have and fail miserably at it.
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>Idea #1:

NEET gets hit by a truck and goes through a completely generic isekai experience. End of the first episode reveals he's actually in a psychiatric hospital his parents stuck him in.

Every person in his isekai world has a real world counterpart. The goddess that helps him is a kind nurse. His party members are other hospital patients playing along.

Plot involves various real world conflicts and how they translate into his isekai world. Visiting family = judgemental king/queen (parents) + nice princess (little sister). Patient commits suicide = party member dies in battle. Nurse is kind to him = goddess blessing him. Slowly cracks appear in his isekai world (e.g. he briefly sees a flash of the real world). Eventually the goddess brings him into the light and he awakens or whatever.

>Idea #2:

Girl is hit by a truck and awakens in a typical iskeai medieval fantasy world. Joins party, goes on adventure, party gets defeated by brigands, taken as sex slave, bad end.

Boy is hit by a truck and awakens in a typical iskeai medieval fantasy world. Joins party, goes on adventure, party gets defeated by brigands, gets stabbed through the heart by some evil knight, bad end.

Reveal that the isekai world is fake. When they get "hit by a truck" they don't die - instead they get dragged inside the truck and smuggled out to a far off country. Rich bastards have paid to construct their own mini medieval world with actors where they can freely murder/rape the "heroes" that get dropped off there by trucks. All the heroes' weapons are fake and can't hurt the rich bastards, etc.

Introduce some edgy super smart kid who figures it out and stabs one of the rich bastards with an improvised shiv. Goes on the run, etc.
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>>152524634
Second is the most retarded thing ever. Fucking Resident Evil movies did it, that's how retarded it is.
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>>152500728
>Male Friend get transported
>Found a revolver with only a couple of rounds
>Died like a little bitch after going partially insane
Pretty realistically good.
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>>152522142
That last part actually happened in Drawn to Life
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>>152516163
>>152517326
>https://sekaigamethetranslation.wordpress.com/
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>>152487481
>>152501576
Inverting cliches is literally the opposite of a deconstruction.
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>>152490154
This is a parody, not a deconstruction though?
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>Neon Genesis Evangelion deconstructs the Super Robot genre. The basic premise of the show, at first, seems absolutely formulaic; an Ordinary High-School Student falls into the cockpit of a Humongous Mecha designed by his father. He is the last hope for humanity in a war against various alien lifeforms called "angels." However, it is quickly shown that using fourteen year old children as child soldiers in extremely traumatic battles against Lovecraftian horrors is, to put it bluntly, not very nice and certainly not the kind of idealistic "insert-positive-emotion-here conquers all obstacles" affair that previous super robot shows portrayed it as.

literally just do this

shove shinji into an isekai world and have him lose his mind
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>>152502973
Dude, everyone has read the TVTropes page already. We know who Derrida is, you aren't some secret genius for knowing this. Language evolves over time, and the use of "deconstruction" on this board has meant something completely different from Derrida for years now.
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>>152525428
>it's a generic fantasy isekei but all of the characters are Eva characters
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>>152504390
Excellent taste anon.
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>>152503627
/a/ just likes to be hipster at the expense of everything else unless it's their guilty pleasure shit taste favorite series. What else is new?
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>>152525498
Deconstruction became nothing more than a buzzword like edgy. The idea that language evolves is essentially nonsense since you have to incorporate culture and linguistic morphing. That is not semantic drift, it is mistaking actual terms. And if you think the internet that mistook the meaning as culture and linguistic morphing, then you are essentially wrong. The internet is not a culture unless it is a study of such parts of the internet, then that is considered culture. If you continue to mistake meaning like this, it invites problems like video related (feminist in the video) will happen.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=BpbeSgMl434
This is idiocy at its finest.
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A swordsman from a fantasy world defeats the demon king after a difficult and long battle only to succumb to his wounds. As his soul ascends into the heaven a voice says he will now be reincarnated into a world without suffering and difficulties. He is then placed into the body of a NEET. Reassessing this new world he realizes he must join the workforce as a salary man and defeat the corporate world and it's demon ceo through fiscal responsibility and navigating the intricate nature of interpersonal work relationships. Slowly he amasses powerful allies such as human resource and IT and hones his skill in project management
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"You maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!”
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>>152509340
How many chapters are there right now? I want to binge it. Have you tried reading The Amber Sword yet Shieldbro? I never thought there would be a VRMMO isekai with Magic The Gathering mechanics in it nor one where the MC abuses the mechanics while everyone else is confused at the phenomenons like max leash range.
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>World has magic
>Everything is actually solved with magic and nobody works other than as magicians as they are incredibly more efficient
>The world is ruled by wizards, while those who refuse to partake in the magical ways are disgusting leeches living in poverty, but they can't rebel because magic is OP as shit
>Some faggot leftist wizard wants human rights or something
Something like that
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>>152527746
Literally Magi
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>>152487990
This was so fucking good. Shame it didn't get as much attention, as funny as Konosuba. Good action. Pretty great characters. Man.
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Grimgar.
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>>152527785
Konosuba's comedy led nowhere, I see nothing of value since it was a parody, and nothing going beyond. Part-timer as far as I can remember that made me laugh was super size me and that was the only time. Seriously, I don't understand people's sense of humor. Call it opinion or subjective (this is a terrible argument), but there's nothing of merit.
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>>152527830
No it is not. Grimgar is not a deconstruction. You're merely throwing out titles without full fucking thought. This is what happens when you have no full idea and mistake things as if it is correct.
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>>152527959
Maybe you have autism?
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>>152528058
It is. Just look at it and look at other isekai. Grimgar is so different from them because it really looks at the aspects of isekai and normalized them.
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>>152496897
Are you talking about the gook series? He's not middle age he's practically an old man. And holy shit is his stick overpowered.
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>>152526512
Look, I kind of agree with you, especially since in my experience only retards use words like edgy when they're talking about plots and characters. But there are certain meanings to these words, like deconstruction in our case, with implications that aren't matched by our existing vocabulary. If using the word 'deconstruction' is obviously wrong, then what word or phrase is appropriate to use in its place for the meaning that we have attached to that word here? In that sense I would consider the Internet to be a culture, even if it's not a conventional one.
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>Guy gets sent into an MMO
>It's actually a finished online version of Dwarf Fortress
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>>152528248
Dwarf Fortress is just a generic fantasy world though.
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>>152526538
Isn't that subverting and not deconstruction?

>>152527959
Not being able to understand people's tastes is natural. What do you think of isekai parodies like History's Number 1 Founder? Though to 'get' the joke for that you have to actually understand the overused chink tropes, but I really like how thanks to chinks not giving a fuck about copyright the author just straight up rips 4-5 xianxia novels and uses their characters and stories to make fun of them. I wish there was something like that for nips.
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>>152526512
the meaning of "deconstruction" in its pop culture context has been around since watchmen i think

of course, madoka fails to qualify by either definition
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>>152509340
>new chapter of the spear hero spinoff has been released
Beautiful.

Spear Gaiden is far better than the main story.
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>>152528061
Do you have it? Because laughing at a bunch of idiots fucking around seems like comedy for the intellectually challenged. Stupid is as stupid does. Are you attempting to use ad hominems to spout out words to try and delegitimize what I say? If that's so, then you obviously attempt to sidetrack my own point. Go ahead, I know you're going to say "yeah, you do have it", and you prove my point while proving that you're intellectually challenged and acting hypocritical. Go ahead, say it. Because you have no context.
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>>152528285
Except all magic in Dwarf Fortress is a variation of either "animate something", "turn something into a different material", or "move something to a different position".
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>>152528335
That's not fair, a huge appeal of spear gaiden literally stems from shieldbro's set up in order to have a contrast. Motoyasu's insanity wouldn't be half as funny without Shieldbro as a prequel because his backstory into how he came to be would just be some filler flash backs which would give nowhere near the same impact.

Plus shieldbro and spear gaiden are practically different genres.
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>>152528362
>I'm too INTELLECTUAL to enjoy people having a nice time
Those last two sentences were unnecessary, it's obvious that you want to be called an autist again just from this much. Honestly though, if you have affordable access to mental health professionals you should probably talk to them about this. You might be entitled to some form of accommodation.
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>>152528113
No it didn't, it made one of the most uneventful deaths and inappropriate times to do so when we barely knew anything about the characters and their loves. Just blindly accepting being an adventure like a mindless drone and using a deus ex machina later on to make an OP ability for the mc is not a deconstruction.
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GATE/whatever the similar moe otaku teacher equivalent show that came a few seasons before it/Hataraku Maou Sama

Most Isekai have already gone past the new world but it's super edgy route, re:zero and to a more localized point shield hero are both testament to that

Although a "real" deconstruction (as far as /a/ would put it) would probably be something like the child of a former isekai MC ending up in the original world because they think their life is boring and getting Deus Vult'd to death because they're too strong/different
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>>152528696
I don't think /a/ really knows what a deconstruction is because they don't understand what they're reading in general. If you can't understand isekai, you can't deconstruct it.
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>>152528589
Attempting to straw-man me through a greentext that I never once implied. Again, this is just pure implication that you want to delegitimize my claim that I see no merit and nothing beyond the comedy of Konosuba. I'm already offended by the way you tried to implicate autism to deflect and side-track my point. Did you think I wasn't going to talk back? Don't attempt to twist my words to imply that I'm intellectually superior or among the lines of being impaired next time.
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>>152528743
Of course not, for /a/ anything with a strong emphasis on a particular trope that asks or forces the watcher to think, or daresay, empathize with a fictional character, is a deconstruction
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>>152528743
except for "literally" i can't think of a more abused word in the english language
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>>152528869
>I never once implied
Literally the second sentence in that post
>this is just pure implication that you want to delegitimize my claim.
>I'm already offended by the way you tried to implicate autism to deflect and side-track my point.
>Did you think I wasn't going to talk back?
Not doing much ton counter the allegations of autism here.
>to deflect and side-track my point.
You didn't make a point in the first place.
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>>152528962
Ironic.
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>>152528236
Again, this is just pure mistakes with misunderstanding actual words. Did you watch the video? Again, what would be more appropriate term would be just the idea of "avant-garde" or unorthodox from what we normally see as generic. The way we attempt to try and add an artificial definition rather than using the actual term through the internet sounds just asinine.
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>deconstruction of Isekei

Have the first 5 minutes of episode 1 have the camera focus on your generic high school boy in class, talking with his love interest while the MC narrates his life, but the punchline is that the actual MC isn't even the boy in focus, but the seemingly irrelevant history teacher in the background of each shot.

When the teacher is eventually transported to another world, it gets played up that he's been summoned to be a hero and save a kingdom, and is even given the chance of having a loving warrior grill willing to do anything be thrown at him to start his obligatory harem.

But he turns it all down and instead of trying to help the people, the rest of the anime just revolves around him travelling around and taking in the history, customs, traditions, cultures, geography and lore of the world and its peoples.
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>>152529327
That's not a deconstruction that's a twist.
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>>152529371
Someone needs to list all the aspects of isekai so it's easier to work with deconstructing. It's like you guys are all throwing twigs into the wind.
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>>152529495
That's like saying list all the aspects of the word Fuck. Totally hopeless.
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>>152529040
I said that because you seem to be one of those people who refuse to acknowledge any point and decide to use ad hominems by implying a mental impairment. I made that point because you wouldn't like ad hominems or straw-manning and people would laugh at you. Besides, who are you to try and call out autism? Are you a psychologist? Do you have any legitimacy to try and diagnose me just from a point I actually made saying this post >>152527959. I just said I don't understand since Konosuba's comedy led nowhere and I don't understand the humor. Of course I didn't mean that the sort of comedy. I laugh at that sort of comedy before and there are people who I know who laughs at that sort of shit. I will admit I implied to you that kind of wrong notion but context matters. I have dealt with many fans of Konosuba and they all made contrived arguments and used ad hominems against me. I'm sorry if it made you feel offended like I did, but again, the terms that cops may go by, "hang around enough assholes, you're gonna be an asshole yourself."
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>>152506720
So a bully-chad who picks on NEETs gets trapped in a fantasy world and finds himself way over his head. He manages to meet the people that he bullied previously. Having atoned, and with his new found friends they form a tight nit guild. Although he has all the qualities of a leader he always remains a bottom bitch from his lack of experience with rpg games. Once they defeat the big baddie they get sent back to real life having not a day gone by and he debases himself socially to hang out with the "losers".

Bonus 1: He falls in love with one of his victims but it's painful for both of them as she finds it hard to fully forgive him.
Bonus 2: His class and min maxing skills are horrible but he somehow finds himself in a comfortable niche.
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>>152527959
what anime do you find funny? name a couple if you can to give us a spread.
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>>152529978
Think of ones that have a silver lining or managed to make a new gag without feeling repetitive and not relying on references because not everyone is going to get the reference, obviously. Narrow those lines and you get anime that I like.
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>>152530154
So you don't like anime?
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>>152529978
Or the occasional thing I do when I watch something so fucking bad, that it is really hilarious. "It's so bad, it's fucking funny to watch!" Although, people mistake that as unintentional comedy but the only reason that I'm laughing is because of how laughably bad the anime is.
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>>152529731
>ad hominem
It's only an ad hominem if you're trying to prove or discredit something.

>I just said I don't understand since Konosuba's comedy led nowhere and I don't understand the humor.
KonoSuba's humor is not fucking deep, though. It's basic relational shit, if you have the capacity to interact with other humans, even if just in theory, you can understand the humor.

>I'm sorry if it made you feel offended like I did
>>>/tumblr/
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>>152530253
Of course not, only faggots like anime.
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>>152530154
uh, Danshi Koukousei no Nichijou?
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Does the MC being an actual character before going to the other world count as deconstruction?
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>>152530253
No, I like GTO (mind you, there are some serious problems with the story) and thought it was funny. I read manga nowadays.
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>>152530526
>he doesn't even like anime
I'm glad we know one person is a faggot.
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>>152530398
> Basic relational shit.
Care to incorporate on that? Because there's lack of specifics. I never said anything about deep humor. I said I don't understand idiots fucking around can be considered funny.
> Using Tumblr boogeyman
This will lead nowhere.
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>>152530609
I never said that, I watch occasionally nowadays because there are not much anime that catch my interest especially with this line-up.
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>>152530792
>I said I don't understand idiots fucking around can be considered funny.
Right, which seems like a sign of autism.

>This will lead nowhere.
Maybe, but you seem like you'd fit in better there.
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>>152528236
>what word or phrase is appropriate to use in its place for the meaning that we have attached to that word here?

Subversion. That's what half of these are, the other half are just regular isekai with a twist.
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>>152530921
Instead of attempting to deflect and calling out autism as if you're a psychologist (which you are probably not), can you just elaborate as to why people think it is funny? Because right now, you are not doing well for the image of konosubafags. So instead of acting like an asshole and making a worse image for fans that like this sort of comedy, I suggest you be productive and incorporate on your claim. Because in the future, I could act like an asshole to the next dude that likes konosuba because he does the same shit you do. Calling a boogeyman does nothing and I could tell you to go to another godforsaken site that worships konosuba. Again, try or don't try. Make it worse or don't make it worse.
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I still don't understand what deconstruction is.

Can someone take just one isekai trope and give an example of deconstructing it?
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>>152512711
No, a reverse isekai that has a commoner from the fantasy world be brought into our world. He thinks he's there for a purpose, but he has misadventures to find out what exactly that purpose is.

Not a complete deconstrution but points out the problems in a joe schmoe being sent into a culture they don't understand and plays it to its logical conclusion.
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>>152531631
MC saves a girl and she just goes on her way instead of wanting MC's dick because he was nice.
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>Normal guy, well adjusted with a decent job and girlfriend
>is transported to a brutal medieval world by a wizard who miscalculated a ritual.
>thrown out like trash into the gutter
>locals dislike him because he's foreign and not stunted from undernourishment
>no money, no social caste, can barely work enough to get fed
>magic is low and the only ones with the means and purpose to practice it is the upper clergy and nobility

>guy decides that he needs to get the hell out of this shit, joins the only available avenue for social mobility: the clergy
>athleticism and a 21st century diet growing up lets him beat out the other candidates for templarship
>become a knight of the church, hunting unauthorized witchcraft and chasing any lead he can find to get home
>years spent doing terrible, terrible things - destroying families, breaking vows, taking bribes and justifying it all by virtue of "I'm doing it to get home" and "It's not my world in the first place"
>at the end, the cause he championed and work accomplished while pursuing his personal goal led him to a high standing under the church, under a mountain of misery and black deeds
>now old, slimy and arrogant - he finally gains enough social clout to petition a wizard capable of bending the world to help him.

>"no, you idiot. we don't even know which earth you came from, how could we send you back?"
>"this is already your life."
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>>152531417
>attempting to deflect
There's nothing to deflect. I wasn't refuting any point and you don't seem to have made one anyway. I was just pointing out that you seem autistic. But considering how autistic you continually act, you're either doing it on purpose or you have no idea and refuse to consider it. I seriously recommend you talk to an actual psychologist, if that's the only person you'll believe, but recognizing autism only takes a professional in cases that are vague. Any layman who's heard of autism can easily ascribe it to you.
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>>152528324
I'd say there are aspects of Madoka that have the same idea of 'deconstruction' as Watchmen. One foundational ideas of Watchmen as a story is that the kind of person who would try to become a superhero in real life would likely be deranged, tyrannical, or otherwise be mentally unbalanced and deeply flawed. Part of Madoka's storyline is that little girls acting as warriors against evil forces a great physical and mental toll on them when you stop making the enemies PG rated. And I think, more interestingly, that Madoka also makes a point about the idea of powers that run of emotions like friendship or hope, which can backfire horribly for a number of different reasons.
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>>152530792
>Care to incorporate on that? Because there's lack of specifics

Konosuba relies heavily on two things for comedy.

1. Absurd situations.

2. Extremely exaggerated or understated reactions.

Both are seen pretty frequently, the former with things like cabbage being an sentient being that fights back when people try to harvest it, or when everyone in Axis cult gets mad at Aqua for "purifying" their hot springs, even the individual characters themselves have absurdly exaggerated character traits that are frequently used in jokes; while the latter is in some ways more frequent, notible ones being the group deadpanning when Aqua removes the Dullahan's curse with a single word after they had a dramatic and serious moment together over it, or Dullahan's reaction when accused of being a pervert by Darkness for no reason (which ironically is actually true, as he frequently perved on the big-titty lich)

There's also some running gags, most notably "Kazuma! Kazuma!" "Yes, this is Kazuma" whenever a party member tries to get Kazuma's attention for something, and gap humor where a character's appearance or identity doesn't match their character, like in the succubus section where the seasoned adventurer who occasionally gives advice early on turns out to be a common tradesman and Kazuma just assumed he was an adventurer.

People who liked Konosuba's humor might also like Seitokai Yakuindomo, Shimoneta, or Daily Lives of Highschool boys.
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>>152531925
You're not a psychologist, you have no credibility to diagnose me, you sidetrack my point that I said about the humor by reiterating the same notion to pinpoint autism by repeating it on and on. Let me ask you this, are you insane? Because repeating on the same attempt to diagnose to call out on autism as you have no credibility to do so even though my point was that I don't understand the humor and there shouldn't be anything wrong with that but you keep repeating "autism" as if you're insane. Just by reiterating and going nowhere with this conversation. That has more mental implication than you trying to "diagnose" me with autism. Like I said, regardless of how much you try and say layman's way of finding out autism, you are not a psychologist and are in no position to try and diagnose anything. This is just insane.
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>>152532080
There, now I have a slightly better idea. Much better than the other anon (implying you're another anon), but I'd argue the context of it if I wasn't so tired of chatting. Thank you but I would argue the idea that konosuba is considered good. But that's another time.
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>>152531882
I like it.
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>>152487462
Someone gets transported to another world but they want to get back to our world because their life doesn't suck and the new world is complete shit.
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>wrote another chapter today
Feels good.
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>>152487462
Isekai are generally about an individual who has a bad life going to another world to improve themself.

I'd love to see a person who life is really well off go to another world to be broken down into a loser.

Normal : Neet -> competent

Deconstructions: Well off -> Neet

Explore how escapism can destroy lives.
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>>152532080
I think Konosuba is more a subversion of comedy tropes in anime, more than a subversion of isekai in general. It still hit's a lot of the tropes present in the Anime isekai genre and doesn't really make them narratively unique. The only thing unique is the comedy.
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>>152503813
so... futurama?
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>>152504273
theyre all bad but
>>152504390
is tolerable
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>>152534779
>to be broken down into a loser.
That's not a deconstruction, that's just being contrarian.
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>>152534779
Seconding >>152535378
A deconstruction would be exploring why the powers that be are summoning NEETs/School children as their heroes.
You would think if you have the ability to summon people from modern times ( or even the future), they wouldn't be living in an ignorant filthy medieval society
Perhaps this is on purpose, the gods demand a stagnant world or the priest/magician class that is doing the summoning are knowingly summoning ignorant lazy NEETs to fulfill their purpose without any accidental advancements that would take power away from them.
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>>152535534
>>A deconstruction would be exploring why the powers that be are summoning NEETs/School children as their heroes.

So Kumo? Cause Kumo definitely explores that and it's integral to the main plot.
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>>152487462
Maybe the closest one that we have now is Grimgar, although I feel that there would have to be more to a successful deconstruction than the main characters being really weak. Konosuba also trends in that direction although Kazuma's situation may still be too unjustifiably lucky.
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>>152537518
Have you read the thread? No, Grimgar is not a deconstruction nor is konosuba. The reasons why, look at the thread and see responses.
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A deconstruction would have the isekai'd MC simply being unremarkably average, either as a merchant, a farmer, or a grunt. It could be SoL or a dark and gritty war series.
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>>152488249
So Metal Gear Solid.
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>>152503737
>Imagine getting ported to skyrim with only your clothes and no knowledge of the language
Aren't you still far better off than the average TES protagonist that way?

I mean, for one thing, you DON'T have to escape execution/inprisonment.
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>>152537497
Kumo uses the lazy cop out of "a bored evil god did it" like thousands of other isekai.
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>>152534779
>Explore how escapism can destroy lives.
Go away Marche.
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>>152538946
Except the reasoning is completely fleshed out unlike those thousands of other isekai. She didn't do it because she was bored, but because she was attacked, that alone invalidates your snarky statement.
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>>152538999
>She didn't do it because she was bored, but because she was attacked, that alone invalidates your snarky statement
No, she did it because she was bored and the idea of reincarnating her now dead classmates amused her.

There was no purpose to the reincarnation aside from throwing her classmates a bone and providing some entertainment for herself. Her classmates obviously weren't meant to find a solution to the multitude of problems in the other world nor did she expect them to. The one that ACTUALLY started an initiative to fix shit was nothing more than a decoy that she expected to die early on who instead surpassed all her expectations to her pleasant surprise.
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Someone finally returns home after a great adventure in another world and is incredibly depressed.
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>>152535534
The MC of Nirvana is a middle schooler who was sort of famous for doing lots of charity work. She ended up in another world after plane-san decided to go for a swim. She is told that the two worlds are connected through a cycle of reincarnation, and that she came through with her body and memories because she has this clock thing that was given to her by her mother. Then stuff happens and she has to travel between 12 kingdoms to enlist the help of the 12 divine animals.
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>>152501980
>>152503219
>>152525428
>>152531882
Best answers
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>Folks get pulled into another world
>One of them doesn't care about the hero business, leaves of his own accord
>Becomes what's essentially a legal vigilante, doing whatever the hell he wants to do without breaking any laws
>Solves problems that the heroes don't see, though not intended to do so

Basically, a glorified NPC position instead of a normal hero. Is there anything of the sorts? I know of Word Cheat, and I enjoy what little is translated, but I want more.
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>>152539865
Sounds more like he's just a vigilante.
A hero typically isn't a policeman, they are out doing dangerous stuff like straight up marines. Hell, not even marines. Heroes typically do spywork and have to be right with the enemies.
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>>152489845
I had a rather odd question arise after seeing this for who knows how many times, but if people on /out/ want people to leave but can't >>>/out/, what then do they do?
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The protag is extremely depressed and anxious because he misses his family and friends, misses his modern luxuries, doesn't have his own shelter, doesn't speak any of the local languages, and doesn't even know what foods are safe to eat

He gets a job as a low level guild grunt and literally never surpasses that because he never learns the local language

The gods are old testament brutal.

He was isekai'd completely accidentally. He did not die in a truck accident. He was eating ice cream with his family. A lone wizard accidentally summoned him, killing himself in the process. The protag's first sight in the new world is a scruffy 30some year old man bleeding from almost everything with half his organs spiraling out of his flesh. His family is implied to have suffered a similar fate because of the nature of that particular botched summoning spell. The wizard was trying to capture young girls from other dimensions to use as consequence-free sex slaves.

The protag is only the protag so far as the story is told from his point of view. He never goes on any adventures. He is an NPC, without a doubt, and barely classifies as a "protagonist" in any real literary terminology.
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>>152540690
I don't think you know what NPC means. In fact, NPC doesn't work as a thing unless it's a game.
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>>152540784
I'm just using familiar terminology because I dropped lit for literal basket weaving
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>>152540579
>>>/mlp/
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>>152540840
Can you weave good baskets, though?
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Wasn't Re:Zero a deconstruction of isekai?
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>>152541473
Without having watched it. I'm going to make a broad generalisation and say no, it was a twist on Isekai.
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>>152487524
I'd go back to some of the original isekais. Mark Twain wrote A Connecticut Yankee In King Arthur's Court in the style of his other satires about outsiders visiting foreign lands. The point wasn't to show off how superior the outsider was: instead he used the situation to highlight the ideas the outsider brings with him and how they reflect on the society to which he belongs.
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>>152541473
And how was it a "deconstruction"?
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>>152541473
Yes.
Guy was dropped in with seemingly no cheat and no heroine. In fact, he wasn't even a hero. At least not yet. He gains all of this through hard work unlike isekai MCs.
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>>152541487
Dude, at least like get on the same page of what kind of isekai we're talking about.
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>>152487462
>guy gets transported to another universe, unbeknowst to him as a purposeful experiment on the part of an agency trying to cross worlds
>world is more sci-fi than fantasy
>doesn't get a harem, or superpowers
>has to build up his strength using technology and martial and mechanical skill
>decides to fight the tyrannical overlord who rules the planet because he gets his shit wrecked by the guys forces due to not being a registered citizen
>builds up a group of outlaws to take down the guy
>most of them are tough dudes
>doesn't care about getting back to the real world
>ends up getting dragged back to earth because the experimental test was over
>he ends up getting wrapped up in a cross dimensional war between this universe and the powerful forces of the other
that's just a bare skeleton, it sounds shit like that but it seemed cool to me
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>>152541485
without spoiling much:

- kid gets isekai'd
- no special powers except when he dies he wakes up X hours in the past while keeping his memories
- tries to save the day but fails and dies very painfully due to no special powers
- repeatedly
- gets pretty depressed (and mind broken briefly)
- eventually kicks the depression and uses wits to organize isekai-dwellers with real powers to help save the day

perhaps if it had stopped halfway through, but once he kicked his depression it went back to fairly standard isekai-fare
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>>152487462

Deconstruction of Isekai would be a show that runs contrary to the purpose of Isekai. The purpose of Isekai is escapism. Leaving the real world in search of adventure and a new life. Hai to Gensou no Grimgar can be considered an Isekai deconstruction. People leave the real world, but enter another world that is even more difficult and dangerous than the last one.

I think a true deconstruction of the Isekai genre would be a story where the NEET protagonist goes to another world and continues his NEET existence without going on adventures and so on.

Think Grimgar meets Welcome to the NHK.

> NEET gets hit by a Japanese truck
> wakes up in fantasy medieval setting
> doesn't leave his starter home/area
> shuts himself in at a tavern
> story revolves around him setting up all these money schemes from his tavern room and using magic to make them happen - but failing each time
> in the end becomes a literal slave because he tried to scheme the wrong people

There you go. Isekai deconstruction.
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>>152541728
I don't know about the money making scheme part, but definitely a NEET going "Woe is me" in a fantasy world while he sponges off the residents would work.
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>MC goes to a videogame world
>continues to treat it like a videogame
>casually loots everything not bolted down
>Keeps trying to sell random useless junk to storekeepers
>murders random people and loots the bodies and leaves dead bodies lying around to rot in the streets
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>>152541980
>randomly breaks crates in the street and then complains when there's no money inside
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>>152541728
Grimgar is not a deconstruction! Look here >>152528590
Idiots.
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>>152487524
So Log Horizon.
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>>152528590
>it made one of the most uneventful deaths and inappropriate times to do so when we barely knew anything about the characters and their loves
>what is the dangers of war
>Just blindly accepting being an adventure like a mindless drone
>forced to or else going to killed
>using a deus ex machina later on to make an OP ability for the mc
>a thief ability that is explained and everything
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>your reincarnated into this wonderful fantasy world but you're still a NEET loser and spend your entire time in the basement drawing nudes of the elf next door that you have absolutely no chance of getting with because of your terrible social anxiety

So basically watamote but in a fantasy setting
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