Your thoughts on the new season?
OP1 > OP1
>Rose was actually cool in this episode.
Her being a happy tomboy persona was pretty damn cute.
And they are already showing her cold blooded murder attitude in a bad light so they'll probably fix that somehow which I'm looking forward to.
Right here anon.
Are you blind?
Rose's deep serious voice is doing strange things to me.
Am I turning into Baba?
She's just a harmless little merchant girl who offered him a ride to Lastonbell, what could she possibly do?
Don't worry, she'll get an episode dedicated to her purifying Ladylake with her knightfriends now that she isn't a pushover anymore.
And then more suffering when Maltran reveals herself.
So what I gather from a season of lurking these threads is that no one actually enjoys anything from Zestiria aside from the fujos off in their own little world, and the entire Zestiria "fanbase" consists of Rosefags reveling in Alishafags getting mad, Alishafags reveling in Rosefags getting mad, fujos happily dumping cute boys in the background, those two Ednafags, and that one Lailahfag.
She can't go on killing people like this or she's gonna end up like Michael. Her idea of removing Malevolence is probably kill anyone who can't be purified.
Her whole conflict with Alisha was about killing not being a solution. She'd have slaughtered Alisha in cold blood like she did with the bishop if Alisha couldn't defend herself like she did. Who knows if she hadn't killed other people who meant well like Alisha before.
She's still a sociopath and peasants all love her but she's sort of in the wrong already. Waiting to see how far Ufo will take her villainy.
>but she's sort of in the wrong already
Wait, you're actually telling me that Ufotable is looking likely to address those issues.
Oh wow, ok, that's kinda interesting.
She was never ever wrong in the game. Well it's too early to hope for the better, but well, let's see.
Then Lailah can find a new shephard since Rose isn't the only one with a high resonance in the world. But for the purpose of Sorey's journey he has no reason to stick around Rose, since he's actually strong enough to take on Hedalf himself.
She'll be fucking up by even considering Rose for the position at all, especially when she has no reason to. Which is my point, the anime has no reason for why a Squire would be needed. Alisha didn't get the to become squire because the story needed her to do it. They're just trying to copy the game's story beats without copying the game's explanations for doing it in the first place.
>sorey goes to sleep
>wakes up 1000 years later
>mikleo informs him that his squires Rose and Alisha ended up being the cause of and solution to a massive war when their followers all fought each other but then everyone was happy when they entered the fabulous world of yuri together
Works for me.
I want some too, brother, but I've given up hope.
At least they seem to be friends in the anime now.
>I can't make you be a performer because princess would get mad at me
>implying they wouldn't be at each other's throats
all night in bed
They're supposed to be competitive rival characters. Drama CD joked about them having a three hour stalemate table tennis match and only stopped because they were both exhausted and then promising each other a rematch.
>/u/ is the solution to world conflict
Purest form of love etc etc
>They skipped the inspection scene
I'm shipping this and there's nothing you can do to stop me
Already bought it, anon.
The second arc gets tedious sometimes, with constant travels to Titania just to watch a few skits and scenes. But great game overall.
That depends entirely on if I can use this costume outside the prologue. Velvet's default clothes are fucking awful and I ain't paying for DLC.
None, they think this is the 90's when kids didn't have access to violence and porn via internet and soccer moms still had any control whatsoever over their children entertainment media.
The fact that it's easier to market and distribute as well as keeping branding consistent? This isn't some wacky conspiracy as /v/ likes to pretend. It's standard practice in mass media to have a target audience and rating in mind and make changes so you hit it.
Maybe you should go tell every tv, movie and video game studio in the world, because clearly they aren't aware of this revelatory news that you just happen to have pulled out of the ether.
>tfw liked Dezel and Rose more than Alisha and Rose but Zestiria's only fanbase is fujoshits.
I don't even know if this image is a single page or full doujin.
>Zestiria sells 2,216 as a one-shot BD-only box. 48.4% underestimated. Event ticket.
Reminder that Alisha is the cancer that killed Zestiria's first cour! Flop waifu! Flop waifu!
>that you just happen to have pulled out of the ether.
Are you implying violent 18+ video games are not primarily played by teens?
Do you get your facts from discussions on video game websites and /v/ or what?
Yes, anon. Tens of thousands of businessmen all over the developed world for many decades don't know better than you, a random person on 4chan who must clearly have copies of their financial records and corporate knowledge.
I'm not that anon and don't have anything to say on video game consumers, but that's a shitty argument. If businessmen were so good at their jobs you wouldn't have them desperately pushing for cable TV for years while getting fucked by services like Netflix and then wondering why they're bleeding money as they ax shows.
Isn't it obvious this season will flop too?
Any Rosefags likely dropped this after a s1 of just Alisha.
We know there arent that many Alishafags watching because s1 was a failure. And even if they are, they wont be giving anything to a season with Rose
Fujos keep beign ignored, first for more Alisha and ow for mroe Rose, so they wont be buying this either.
So, can Rose hear Seraph or not?
She could hear Dezel in episode 12 but she couldn't hear Mikleo this episode.
>Isn't it obvious this season will flop too?
Obviously. Actually, in terms of anime sales, a season half/season almost never does better than the first. It always does worst. First cour flopped even with the event ticket, so second cour will do a bit less.
I doubt Zestiria's total average won't be beat Tales of Abyss' anime's, which ended up at 9k. 6k is the highest I see this going.
At least Edna being the most popular girl is real and is as it should be.
Screw you. She's one of the few good things about ToZ.
Hopefully that will be remedied soon.
>went into the game expecting to hate Edna and that she'd be a Rei clone
>actually all about dry humor and sarcasm
It was a good time to be wrong
Neither was Edna's snark after the first 6xs. Zestiria had a shitty script and gimmicky cast, so I don't really care that they cut it out the anime. It was objectively stupid because some people actually liked that though, and they only put them in BD box skits.
The real reason why Zestiria's anime is so shit.
>There are people who don't like anime Rose
Anime Rose is super cute
Holy shit he remembers his promise this time.
Heh. Do you think that if Rose was a guy, the anime would be more of a success?
>tfw i predicted that second cour would pander to rosefags instead of fujos
Maybe someone important at Ufotable hates fujos and homos.
A lot of Zestiria's problems could probably be summed up with "the game really need a couple of scenes about that." It's a shame about the story because I really do like the characters.
>Heh. Do you think that if Rose was a guy, the anime would be more of a success?
He'd be shipped with Sorey and Mikleo pretty hard, I'd imagine.
Ufotable would shaft him all the same though. They clearly didn't know their audience making this script.
That was cool.
Focusing on Alisha at all was a waste of time, the anime was so busy with her that it actually forgot to establish Sorey's character and goals or properly introduce the main villain. The anime is now playing catch for shit that they should have dinner in the first cour.
>just slices his throat open without a care in the world and shows zero emotions afterwards
This girl is a psycho.
I bet she gets off on blood.
Oh she's pure alright.
If Rose becomes a hellion even temporarily TOZX will become the definitive Zestiria version in my head, no matter how much they fuck up on other ends.
Going to be honest. Zestiria's cast is decent but probably my least favorite Tales cast in terms of chemistry. Their skits are repetitive and corny, and not really funny. Individually, they bring nothing to the table because they never develop. Their biggest strong point is simply their designs.
I expected the anime to atleast make the cast feel more like a found family than the game did, but by hyperfocusing on only one or two characters and ditching the others, they manage to make them seem even flatter than before. It's baffling how you just can't fix Zestiria without a major overhaul.
Zestiria's cast is the only Tales cast where I like every character. There's always one that just annoys me in the others, like Genis.
But the story is just so half-assed and the villain so boring, it doesn't even really matter.
You can, but you just have to not be an idiot about it. Instead of focusing on the two irrelevant characters, they should focus on the main character, Sorey, since is also the heart of the party, and it is HIS journey and he has the most interactions with the other characters, you're actually killing about 3x birds with one stone just by keeping the spotlight on him. Afterwards is Lailah and Mikleo who play a big part in Sorey's journey and also have their own arcs that they need to overcome that are related to the story, and whom it's actually important for the viewers to care for. Then after that is Zaveid whose a mysterious yet knowledgeable figure, then everybody else. The problem with the anime is that it fails basic writing in that it didn't even differentiate side characters from main characters and treated them acvordingly.
Not them, but if it's up to interpretation doesn't mean that if someone wants to believe they are canon they are by the standards? It's not like it goes against to the story so far telling me they can't think of their relationship like that.
Well yeah. A truly canon pairing isn't up to interpretation though, it's pretty concrete. Sorey/Mikleo is simply heavily implied at most. There is nothing suggesting they're going to bang after their reunion, just that they're spending their lives together.
Yeah that's exactly the problem, Ufotable is choosing to focus on side characters instead of their main characters is a problem that shows just how shitty Ufotable's writing staff is.
It would have been fine if they at least balanced it. Instead they keep focusing heavily on one side character (first alisha, now rose) while putting aside everyone else.
S1 was weird in that they didnt make alisha the squire when they should have, instead leaving it to the very end, which resulted in a lot of alisha screentime where she only share dit with sorey, as she couldnt interact with the rest of the cast
Not only that but her screen time consisted of her doing nothing. It pointless for her to even have it, and because they were giving her so much attention they forgot to give any to their main character. So we barely know anything about him.
Making Alisha a squire was pointless, they adapt major events but not the things leading up to it. Resulting in the anime doing things without earning it's scene.
Agreed. I would have been fine with more Alisha screentime if it had been with her as asquire, sharing her screentime with the rest of the cast and Sorey.
Its the same issue I'm having with Rose: they're putting everything aside for her sake, insteda of integrating her to the cast
Rose is self proclaimed death
>ufotable will learn from their mistakes and stop waifufagging
>second cour will surely have more mikleo scenes
>if ufotable has learned anything from their sales, it's that they should pander to fujos instead of a couple neets on 2ch
Why do you always lie, /a/?
Is Roseposting acceptable now?
It has always been acceptable. Just ignore the Alishafags and fujoshits.
Most of my Rose images include Alisha though since I'm both a Rose and an Alishafag.
Considering how the first season failed finanacially when it didn't pander to them and instead focused on a waifufag, you'd have to be a delusional idiot to think that they were talking out of their asses.
Why do you think that it was always under a spoiler tag?
Maybe if you were delusional
Being a sociopath wasn't the reason she was bad in the game.
It was when they started worshipping her sociopathy and pretended she was right is when it got annoying.
That one has no reason to be put under a spoiler though.
The artist just literally edited a screenshot.
That was my point. He can become a girl because people already like it, so they can easily have him take that form. It's known Seraphs don't use their shape shifting as it typically causes malevolence in them.
I think that that's actually the plot of a few doujins.
You're right though.
Lots of physical violence, battle for dominance and competing over who's stronger.
Cuddling only when they're both dead tired.
>you'll never take baths with Edna
Who cares about Edna? It's all about Lailah. She's perfect.
Please stop pushing that meme. Sure some people like genderbending but it's just a few artists as evidenced by the same pictures everytime. Most of that particular fanbase clearly ships two boys.
It's just the delusional Mikleofag from a few threads ago. They really enjoy projecting hard. Ignore them because they'll accuse you of being tumblr for not being a degenerate.
>All those people shitting on Rose for killing people
I guess you guys never played Final Fantasy games? Cloud is a terrorist that is willing to sacrifice innocent people to destroy Shinra/Sephiroth.
what did she mean by this
Are you the same triggered fujo from those threads?
Pixiv has a combination of both and they don't always tag it, and don't always post their full twitter log. You'd know that of you follow the artists on Twitter. Sad panda only has the doujins that buy Westerners scan, it's actually not a real representation of the doujin that is out there.
>gets triggered by gender bend
>demands others stop it because it effects their delicate senses
>gets called out on it
>projects onto the person calling them
Maybe you should get off of Tumblr got a little while.
I don't care how bad the story gets. I'm here for the cute girls doing badass things. No, I didn't play the game, either. Season 1 was great. Hope for more of the same in season 2.
It's great being me.
Fujos in general follow shitty BL tropes that basically make one boy a girl with a penis by default, it isn't anything new to see Mikleo drawn near identical to a female. It follows the shitty stereotypes to a T.
Enjoy your fetish but remember Mikleo still has a dick in the end of the day
Jessie says to Cloud that her death was the retribution for all the innocent people they killed during Mako reactor bombing.
Cloud is just sad about her death and doesn't give a shit about all the people they indirectly killed. He's not any more moral than Rose
Legitimately good for you anon. I played the game but I'm also really just here for the characters, not the story.
Cloud also doesn't live in a world where murder and evildoings creates magic fart cancer that turns people into literal monsters and travels as a side character to an MC who intentionally avoids killing.
I am you, anon. Except I also really want Bersy characters to appear even if just cameos or flashbacks because her squad looks more fun.
Both exist, I've seen people who only draw Mikleo as a boy and I've also seen people exclusively draw him as a girl, and I've also seen people do both. Then I've gone on twitter and also seen those same artists who exclusively draw him as a boy, refer to him as a girl. Because like I said it's a running joke in the Japanese Fandom, and that's for multiple reasons, to the point where it's actually quite pathetic that you and other >>152014803
to take it so seriously. 4chan is not your safe space, if you want one then that's what Tumblr is for, bit not here. Grow a pair and get over it.
So far i like what they're doing with this set up
They are trying to figure out what is malevolence and what counts as malevolence
In the game Sorey turned a blind eye to Rose and her assassinating people, imo that's seems like a malevolent action to just let someone else be murdered even if the murderer thinks its for the better
it also seemed out of place for Sorey with his goody goody personality so hopefully this gets brought up in the anime
I like how they are giving a bit more character to the side characters even if only a little but I don't like how they are still not giving character to the main characters
I know what Alisha and Rose alike, but that's only two out of the 8 or so main characters
I only wish for this season to improve all aspects of character development, the theme of the story, and the plot iself
Also 2nd op was lame and tame compared to the first one
I feel like the first season was more so a set up for whats to come in season 2
they should've swapped the openings and used the more pumped up one for the 2nd season
I'd say this is a good post, anon.
So far I think the weakest thing the anime has had is its lack fo focus on Sorey, to the point he doesn't even really feel like the MC. And while I do like them fleshing out side characters more I also hope they actually get into Sorey's story soon. Last season moved too slowly and I honestly don't think they can finish in this season at that same rate.
Though my biggest problem with Zestiria is Heldalf and I honestly don't think there's a way to fix him. He's just a completely boring villain.
they actually remove Baba from op credit
They haven't talked about the concept of a person being completely immune to malevolence yet, which was just some huge bullshit in the game's story so I'm very much hoping for them to completely scrap that idea.
You're absolutely right, the game has a problem of not having Sorey speak out and instead made it so that Rose was right, when she wasn't. Doing so broke the internal morality of the game.
Ufotable's problem is that they don't realize a big rule of writing, side characters need to be treated like side characters. I feel like the ending is going to be both disappointing and rage inducing when people realize that the story wasted it's time on irrelevant shit.
>Though my biggest problem with Zestiria is Heldalf and I honestly don't think there's a way to fix him. He's just a completely boring villain.
You should probably read the manga.
I don't really have any expectations in the ending so I probably won't get mad no matter what happens. I don't even have enough emotional attachment to Zestiria for anything to make me mad, really. I'll be happy enough if he has dialogue with Maotelus at the end but if he doesn't, so be it.
The game needed more time on Sorey, Mikleo, and Lailah, because they're the key to everything, and through them the game could have space to develop everything that needed development.
The manga did that but alas or was much too short, it was meant to be an adaptation not a complete retelling, so it ended once it ran out of things to adapt but honestly it needed to be longer. Do that it could have room to tell its story.
The anime's problem is the same as the game's but worse.
But Baba succeeded in getting more Rose in
Anon I know.
I was joking about Baba getting axed from the credits and the show still having more Rose.
And this is just an excuse to shitpost more screenshots of her.
let me help you anon
Let's all list our favorite things about Rose, /a/. Let me start: she has absolutely zero flaws and is practically perfect in every way.
Thank you anon. Ufo's character animators really outdid themselves this episode, I didn't think she could be this cute.
All the little mannerisms and gestures she does are amazingly adorable.
I'm not even shitposting when I say she's my favorite character. I like her design and genki, and had more fun playing as her than anyone else except maybe Dezel/Zaveid.
She's such a cute little thug.
Though I can't tell if she's just pretending to be a harmless cutie patootie when she's not in assassin mode.
Pros of Zestiria
>God tier soundtrack
>Nice character designs
Cons of Zestiria
>Cringey skits between cast
>Mediocre cliche setting and plot
>Plagued by waifufaggotry
>literally almost everything else holy shit
Bamco panders to the fujos quite a bit, in fact that's how they make up for their losses on Zestiria. Hence why Ufotable was in full damage control mode on twitter after the Blu Rays completely bombed, and now they're putting all their money behind Rose.
The situation is laughably funny actually.
>Rose is a pure girl
>Bamco panders to the fujos quite a bit
They do it full-time, I'm convinced the only reason for Berseria being so het and having a female main character were to balance how gay Zesitiria was and how none of the females aside from Baba's waifu amounted to anything
Joke's on you Velvet is actually really popular with Fujo.
Also Ufotable is now trying to pander to Sorey x Alishafags and Rosefags on twitter after the fujos completely abandoned them, joke's on them though, they don't realize that they don't exist. Really how can you fuck up that much?
>Really how can you fuck up that much?
It's the best thing to do. If fujoshits abandoned ship, you may was well try the other angles. Would be great to see a Sorey x Alisha/Rose/Edna/Lailah ending just to fuck with fujoshits in full.
Abandoned the anime? Good! Now enjoy your hetero ending.
I DONT WANT TO SHIT ALL DAY
I DONT WANT TO CUM WITH DAD
DURING GAY DAD YOU CAN
HOW DO WE GO SEND THE CUNT? YEAH!
SHE DONT WANT MENSTRUAL SEX
SHE DONT WANT MENSTRUAL SEX
SHITTING ON A TOKYO
WANNA BE THE WHITE WHITE LIGHT
But Bamco doesn't give a shit about them, in fact, Bamco's just ignoring Ufotable. Ufotable are the ones who produce their BDs, so their losses in that area will be taken by them, and Hetfags don't exist, so there's no customer base. They're not fucking over anyone except themselves by acting like idiots.
Also remember they need those fujos for Touken Ranbu.
The first season couldn't even sell 3K, they fantasyfags aren't interested in Zestira.
Yeah ok but if not enough people think your ending would be great then there's no point because this is supposed to be a business not your personal little game. And fujos abandoned it because it clearly wasn't made for them so you don't have a reason to be mad at them.
Best at failing.
Sad part is that Ufotable isn't going to change the ending. In other words, Mikleo will win again. He just won't win as hard as he did in other adaptations. And it will make all the hetbait that they've been doing up until then pointless as fuck.
Basically a genuine fuck you to secondaries who thought Sorey would get with Alisha or Rose at some point.
>And it will make all the hetbait that they've been doing up until then pointless as fuck.
Which will just piss off the delusional fucks who thought differently.
They do, they're just very small in number, and by that I mean minute.
Fans of all variety exists.
The game actually makes it obvious Alisha nor Rose were love interests to Sorey through skits and (in Alisha's case) massive shafting and an entire cutscene of Sorey rejecting her.
Ufotable won't animate such things as to keep the status quo, and that's their downfall. They tried to pander to all instead of the majority that would pay them back, and those were the fujos.
Fans of all variety exists some are just much larger in number than others.
The head scripwriter literally said that neither girl would work with Sorey, though the in game also explains why either girl won't work with thim. Alisha would cause a political problem, and Sorey and her really don't have all that much in common despite their appearance. Sorey's interests are things that don't include Alisha. And Rose is just no. The game has both a scene and a skit of the Sorey rejecting Alisha with no hesitation and the characters reacting on how Sorey didn't care.
And that's exactly why their in the situation they're in. They saw how Bamco was ignoring Alisha and Rose, instead choosing to put Mikleo in the position of heroine, they should have taken note, they didn't, and now they're paying the price.
They tried that and it didn't help the BD sales.
Wasn't that like right before he says he's going to freeze himself for hundreds/thousands of years? It makes sense for him to tell her to fuck off. He'd only get attached to her more and the same for her if he goes.
Only fujoshits take that as an actual rejection. Just like Meebo finding him at the end is, for some retarded reason, a win in their mind.
Season 3 will be announced at the event this April.
Don't mark my words
Sorey never had any feelings for her to begin with, if he did then he would have told her that he was going to sleep even when he got the chance too, and without a second thought too. Keep in mind that he also essentially asks Mikleo to wait for him too. After the Maltran plot Sorey was also reluctant to even hug her, and this was before he knew what he was going to do.
The scene is taken as a rejection, because it literally is in fact the skit right afterwards confirms it. Sorey rejected Alisha, the only way you'd think differently would be if you were delusional.
>It makes sense for him to tell her to fuck off. He'd only get attached to her more and the same for her if he goes.
There's a skit directly after that of the cast making fun of how Sorey isn't interested in women. It was a indirect rejection, because if Sorey did have romantic interest in Alisha, he'd likely leap at the opportunity to be with her more. He doesn't.
The balcony scene happens afterwards, and Sorey specifically chooses not to tell her goodbye before he fucks off for a thousand of years. It wasn't about attachment at all, Sorey just didn't care to tell her goodbye.
>Just like Meebo finding him at the end is, for some retarded reason, a win in their mind.
Also wrong. Sorey found Mikleo, not the other way around. He woke up and specifically went out to find him.
The fact that the story could've ended in 9000 ways and yet it ended with Mikleo being the only person to reunite with Sorey is quite telling.
Are you really going to reduce sorey to some cliche "i'm going to be harsh and lie to spare you future pain" stuff? Are you also going to pretend he ever showed romantic attraction to her? Are you going to do all that and more while calling fujos delusional?
>Just like Meebo finding him at the end is, for some retarded reason, a win in their mind.
Sorey found Mikleo you dumbass, did you even play the game? Also it was the creators who confirmed that Sorey was going to spend the rest of eternity with Mikleo and intended to do so from the start.
>There's a skit directly after that of the cast making fun of how Sorey isn't interested in women.
They literally say this as one of the victory quotes, and in another skit as well.
>Muh home girl Velvet still getting screen-time
I've seen actual siblings act more like lovers than those two.
>There are people who still don't acknowledge that Sorey/Mikleo is the closest to a canon pairing in Zestiria
Why? It's a shit game, having actual fags is apart of the formula
So is there any cute irrelevant background characters this episode?
>the part in the game where she reverts back to being a pure girl temporarily
Velvet had a hard life.
I'll admit I came into the anime knowing that they'd tone down Sorey and Meebo's Excellent Adventures, having decided that a less fucked up plot would be worth less moments between them. They did fix the plot (mostly) but jesus christ it's like they didn't even realise the only people who had good things to say about the game were fujos.
Fixing Alishia and Rose's characters and dynamics were great. Shafting everyone else to do so was not. Now the Seraphs are basically color-coded walking power-ups while Sorey is a secondary character in his own goddamn show.
And where is my tickle scene? I wanted my tickle scene, Bamco. You have 11 more episodes to put it back in. Don't waste them sucking Rose's cock like the game did.
>fujos happily dumping cute boys in the background
Sorey/Mikleo best and most canon just FYI
Mikleo is also best girl
An Edna is fine too though
They were pretty good in the last season. The only reason they bombed in ratings was due to the pants-on-head retarded decision to show Rose armatizing in the ED.
We'll probably get an episode or two since the game is finally coming out in the West on Jan. 24th/27th. If nothing else it might be a nice break if they decide to focus on Rose the same way they did Alisha in S1.
Rose WILL be a squire this season. She WILL armatize. And the few people who still care about the game's characters will once again be butthurt beyond belief about it.
The anime has done a lot to repair my goodwill towards her. I really wanted to like her when she showed up in the game, after all. But if Ufotable glorifies her to the point that Sorey is made to be second fiddle again, and also play her up as "can do no wrong", then I hope they never turn a profit again. Having her be badass, cute, and good at business is cool. Having her be flawless and universally loved because she's perfect and always right is not.
Atone, yes, but I don't recall him going full "killing is always bad, period" like some JRPG protags. Granted, it's been like 10 years since I played FFIV, so I might be misremembering.