Tomino: "Everyone will forget Your Name in less than five

We're all anonymous here. There are no names to forget.
That said, I might forget my own one day with nobody ever using it.

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>>151914316

Well I already forgot it so

>>151914135
Based Tomino.

I already forgot G-Reco. He's a fucking hack out of touch with modern audiences, his opinion carries no value.

>>151914135
Well I still remember ZZ you fucking hack.

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>>151914135

Well shit, I'd like to think that my friends and family will remember my name for more than 5 years.

>>151914135
What a bitter old man.

>>151914135
I agree, it isn't memorable . But you can say the same about most pop culture fads.

>>151914135
My dream TV show is Miyazaki, Anno and Tomino commenting and talking shit about seasonal anime.

Is that when the comet hits?

My name is kind of strange. I'd say it's memorable but I don't like it.

>>151915198
A boy

I thought this was some person in the anime industry talking trash to a creatively bankrupt young name and I got disappointed when I put it through google translate

>>151915160
They would probably all agree that such a show would be shit and a complete waste of each of their time.

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>>151914135
Sure, and G-Reco is the best anime ever made.

>>151914135
He created G Reco

He has no business shitting on ANYTHING

>>151914135
Well I already forgot G-Reco. What now faggot?

How pathetic.

>>151915160
That would the otaku version of Fashion Police. Miyazaki as Joan, Anno as the chubby daughter of Osbourne, and Tominl as the tall anorexic brown girl.

And I forgot G-Reco while it was still airing.

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>>151914135
He's probably right though.

>>151915349
>>151915385
It's kind of misrepresenting what he is saying, he is saying nobody is will watch Your Name is 5 years because it has been made too much about the fashion of NOW and will age badly, it hasn't been made to be timeless but who cares what he actually said. "Nobody will remember" is much more sensational.

>>151915061
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>>151915381
>Hating on G Reco

Kill yourselves

>>151914135
What this faggot's problem. No one who dislikes Anno's work can be a good person.

>>151914135
Is an ad about Alzheimer?

>>151915270
I agree anon :^)

>>151915434
Tomino is one of the reasons NGE even exists in the first place.

>>151915434
>No one who dislikes Anno's work can be a good person.

Yet everyone hates the Rebuilds. Good goy.

Hurry up and die, old man.

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>it's a /a/ is butthurt about industry legend rightfully talking shit about the modern industry episode
Never change.

>>151915575
The rebuilds are only bad if you compare them to the original

>>151915575
>everyone hates the Rebuilds
Except the nips? I mean that's the reason Anno made them in the first place ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥

>>151915061
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>>151915381
Stick to Aldenoah, retards.

>>151915061
>I already forgot G-Reco.
G-Reco is unforgettable. It was such a piece of shit that it will still be remembered in 20 years as one of the worst Gundam TV series ever.

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>>151914135
I like how the elevens are roasting him in the comments.

>>151915592
They hate Tomino, Miyazaki, Oshii, and suck Urobutcher's dick.
New/a/ is just underages trying to fit.

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>>151914135

Like everybody forgot Madoka right?

What a sad butthurt faggot.

>>151914135
Meanwhile, I wish I could take back time I wasted on his shitty autistic cartoons and forget them.

>>151915592
>Tomino
>who's landmark show got cancelled and only brought back on account of toy sales
>industry legend

>>151915727
Except everybody make fun of Urobutcher. Even that hack Nasu has more legit fans than him.

>>151915685
This. G-Reco might actually be one of the worst anime ever made.

>>151914135
>Tomino
So it didn't have any lickable anime pussies then?

>>151915592
>industry legend
Busted old man.

non-movie director should shut the fuck up

>>151915626
Nah, they're even more dogshit without watching the TV series.

>>151915481
Don't use emoticons on /a/.

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>>151915892
Tomino directed one of the best anime movies of all time

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Holy shit. Everyone ripping Tomino in the comment section.

>>151914135
Who's he talking to?

>>151916061
Attack on Titan director, Tetsuro Araki.

>>151916111
Didn't he also shit on Attack on Titan?

>>151915787
>Nasu
>hack
Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

As a joke, I thought he meant he will forget everyone's name in less than five years due to dementia.

>>151916148
The manga, not the anime.

Not gonna lie i forgot like half the movie, it was just nice to see in cinemas because of the animation

>>151916394
>i forgot like half the movie
That's probably why the cinematic viewing was so successful. People had to watch it multiple times because it was just so forgettable.

>>151915061
How did you remember it now then?
Checkmate ibofags.

>>151914135
Well...he is right
We just make threads about it because it is a best seller. But really, normalfag shows with pretty pictures are safe streets for making big bucks but it won't leave any cultural mark.

>Hyouka
>5cm/sec
>Guilty Crown
They are all nothing but pretty pics that made a killing but no one remembers them outside of it

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>>151916916
Forgot my pic
This is the greatest example of a highly polished normalfag show that made the highest gross ever. But it left nothing to remember it by

>>151916916
>>Hyouka
>Guilty Crown
But that's not true.
Hyouka is warmly remembered by many.
GC was just bad, and that's reiterated every time it comes up.

>38 posters
>only 1 capable of reading more than the subject's title

>>151915671
Well, G-Reco was better than that but it's kinda sad if that's the only thing you can say in its defense.

>>151914135

Just like everyone forgot 75% of the shows you worked on because they were the anime equivalent of CSI.

>>151917545
>Just like everyone forgot 75% of the shows you worked on
Yeah, who the fuck remembers Gundam?

>>151915592
Tomino is a "legend" in the way George Lucas is a "legend".

Name a single scene storyboarded by Tomino that shows even a basic understanding of directing, writing or human behavior. protip: You can't.

>>151915160
Holy shit. Fucking fund it

>>151915749
>Like everybody forgot Madoka right?
Who?
>>151917630
>Tomino is a "legend" in the way George Lucas is a "legend".
Except Tomino failed in running Gundam to the ground so he had to branch out into different works. Sunrise did that just fine by themselves

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>>151915160
>My dream TV show is Miyazaki, Anno and Tomino commenting and talking shit about seasonal anime.

>>151917689
I'm saying they're both hacks with unearned reputations that far exceed their actual talent.

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>>151914135
>Everyone will forget my name in less than five years

>>151917630
>le George Lucas analogy
Got old 10 years ago.

>>151917755
Tomino did plenty of Good work outside Gundam. The only thing George did that was good was American Graffiti

>>151915685
>It was such a piece of shit that it will still be remembered in 20 years as one of the worst Gundam TV series ever.
And then IBO came along

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>>151914135
>三葉ちゃんのオマンコは舐めたくならなかったか

>>151915236
>some person in the anime industry
Do you not know who fucking Tomino is?

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>>151915725
>>151916041
>comments
Nothing but butthurt normalfags. Funny how calling Attack On Titan shit was considered a taboo 4 years ago and people got on him for that too.

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>>151915160
>it's like GameCenterCX, but with them trying to struggle through anime

>>151914135
>今の気分でGレコというクソを生み出した禿が何言ってんだよwww

>>151917906
But IBO has McGillis, /our guy/

>>151917873
See >>151917630

>>151915626
>1st movie is a barebones copy with random changes
>2nd is a fanfic for the normalfags who wanted shinji to "man up" because they didn't understand the story
>3rd is a clusterfuck and just a fuck you to the fans in general

>>151915160
But Tomino hates Anno and Miyazaki probably hates Tomino. At least one of them would be dead within an episode.

>>151918062
See
>>151917689

>>151917606

The point is he's made so many versions of Gundam people only remember a couple of them. And there's also a bunch of non Gundam related shows he made that people have already forgotten.

Him making snide comments about other people being forgotten is just him projecting his own fears about being forgotten. When he dies, he'll be known as 'that guy who made a million Gundam shows' and nothing else. And many people will start to admit that Gundam wasn't even that good.

>>151918072
When Tomino did storyboards for Takahata's WMT shows in the 70s where Miyazaki worked as the layout man, Miyazaki would discard his storyboards and redraw them almost entirely. Miyazaki has always considered Tomino to be a talentless bum

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>>151918141
Never seen a source for this, pretty sure it was just an /a/ meme.

>>151918141
Source?

What a misleading header. Just ignoring the rest he said, OP? Didn't know Yaraon posts here nowadays as well.

>>151915061
>his opinion carries no value
You will never amount to anything in life.

>>151917689

>Except Tomino failed in running Gundam to the ground

Financially, yes. But Lucas also broke records by making one of the worst series of movies ever made. Star Wars wasn't run into the ground either.

So that doesn't exactly mean Gundam is good or that Tomino is good. Just that it makes money.

>>151918141
True or not I have no problem believing this, Tomino's storyboards show complete illiteracy in basic direction.

>>151918130
>The point is he's made so many versions of Gundam people only remember a couple of them
0079, Zeta and ZZ are still popular to this day and they're frequently ranked high on all time best anime lists along with Turn A.

>>151918327
The prequels were not that bad and Char's Counterattack is worse than any Star Wars movie except TFA. ROTS was even something I'd call good.

>Everyone will forget
>見られるかどうかは怪しい
>journalists exaggerating shit again

>>151918130
>The point is he's made so many versions of Gundam people only remember a couple of them.
Literally 0079 is the most popular and well recieved Gundam anime
Zeta and ZZ are also well known.
>And there's also a bunch of non Gundam related shows he made that people have already forgotten.
Cool horseshit bro

>Him making snide comments about other people being forgotten is just him projecting his own fears about being forgotten.
Not really especially when he's fucking right about it. Your Name is largely forgotable and you have to be the most shilliest of shills to defend it.

>>151918379
>ZZ
>good

kys

>>151918130
>Created a franchise that's still remember after 30 years
>forgotten

>>151918399
(You)

>>151916916
Guilty Crown and Hyouka were fairly modest success, and not mainstream at all. They aren't comparable to Your Name in that sense.

>>151918488
>ESL tominofag talking about quality
Please stop.

>>151918601
I should've known /a/ had a low cinematic IQ. They'd never appreciate George's work and have the nerve to compare the man who revolutionized Hollywood to someone who made shitty robot cartoons.

>>151918399

>The prequels were not that bad and Char's Counterattack is worse than any Star Wars movie except TFA.
Contrarian: The Poster: The Sequel

>>151918141
Dont believe this bullshit for a second. Tomino is well known for his great storyboarding going back to his work in Mushi Productions.
>>151918369
Go be stupid somewhere else

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>>151915160

>>151915246
I'm sorry that you've become as jaded as your idols.

>>151918488

>the first Gundam is the most popular and well recieved gundam anime
So...you're proving his point? There's 40+ Gundam series and all of them couldn't surpass the original? That's the epitome of a milked, stagnant series.

But that's also wrong. Since plenty of Gundam series after the original had higher ratings and sales than 0079. Seed being the most obvious. It was pure shit, yet still dominated. Like Star Wars, Gundam seems to become more popular the more it slaps its fans in the face.

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>>151918686
>They'd never appreciate George's work and have the nerve to compare the man who revolutionized Hollywood
/tv/? Yeah you know this whole contarian thing? Ya gotta stop it.

>>151918797
> There's 40+ Gundam series and all of them couldn't surpass the original?
You do realize Tomino didn't direct most of those, right?

>>151918735

Mitsudomoe is the true overlooked classic in this thread.

>>151918843

He didn't say he did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2BNdF_NCVQ

>>151918889
>Just like everyone forgot 75% of the shows you worked on
>The point is he's made so many versions of Gundam people only remember a couple of them.
The Gundams Tomino didn't make are irrelevant to the discussion.

>>151918601
>Char's Character Assassination
>good

>>151918797
>So...you're proving his point? T
Nope, the fact that it lasted as long as it did is the exact opposite of proving his point. 0079 being the most well recieved is because it was a cultural phenomenon and inspired a plethora of anime directors that stick rip it off today.

>But that's also wrong. Since plenty of Gundam series after the original had higher ratings and sales than 0079.
Nope, 0079 still has the highest ratings through reruns alone but taken into first run accounts Zeta has the highest ratings in the franchise followed by SEED. Also SEED was mostly a ripoff of 0079 and its success also inspired many shows after it.

>>151918797
>>151918996
I'd just like to add that comparing sales numbers from the 70s and 00s is dumb as fuck.

>>151918985
>Character Assassination
>I didn't watch 0079
Let me guess you thought Char was suppose to be a cool character and not a deranged sociopath? Why did it take until The Origin for people to realize how Char really is?

>>151919065 (You)
>I didn't watch Zeta

>>151919057
Then why bring up SEED to begin with?

>>151919110
Char wasn't in Zeta

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>>151919065
>backwards character development is good!

>>151916345
Yes Tomino has shit taste and likes Araki Tetsuro's work

Tomino and Miyazaki can only keep themselves in the public image by saying crazy things

Why can't they just fade away with dignity?

>>151919165
>and likes Araki Tetsuro's work
He shat on Kabaneri. Just because he thinks he's way too talented to waste his time on something like Attack On Titan doesn't mean he likes his work.

>Characters
For starters we have Bellri, an overpowered, incestous idiot that delves into pointless angst that is completely avoidable and only serves to make a situation worse despite telling us he is a hero and a good protagonist. He ends up unlikable because he does nothing to further the plot or better himself and everyone will cheer when he'll die because he is such a shit.
Raraiya is a retarded little girl that only serves to be a plot device to make the show take a turn for the worse. She has no character outside of being a retard.
Mask exists to "fix" the plot and move it along. No character development and exits the show as he entered.
The side characters are boring stereotypes with no change, development, or impact on the plot.
The villains are one note, predictable, and boring with little motivations other than being mustache twirlingly evil.
>Plot
Muh energy resources. If you don't know what is wrong with this already, you are an idiot. But aside from that nothing happens or gets accomplished.
>Animations
G-Reco has terrible animation. It was fucking recycled "Swoop in and beam spam." The animation was rigged and sterile which made everything come off as slow and sluggish and creates a dissonance between the narrative and the animation.
>Music
Only the ED saves this shit one point when it is otherwise filled with bad singers and uninspired tracks.

>>151915671
Both G-Reco and Aldnoah were good modern mecha shows though. There's no reason to be elitist about your niche genre when there's so little good in it anyway.

Tomino is a massive hack who hasnt made a good show since the 90's, who gives a fuck. Kimi no wa was just kind of boring but when the last thing you made to show for it was fucking g-reco and wings of rean you have no ground to stand on.

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>>151919159
Yep honest Char! A guy who would never tell a bold face lie.

>>151917906
Words can't describe how much I hate Bellri, really. If the show had a decent protagonist, or at least someone who was Klim's level, then it would be a crazy fun ride. The problem is that he is such a beta faggot, he is absolutely unbearable.

It's the same problem as with Guilty Crown: When it gets down to it, the main character sucks. I think Noredo is one hell of a girl, though.

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>>151919297
>Aldnoah
>good

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>>151918501
>ZZ
>Not good
stick to AZ faggot >>>>MAL

This thread is proof for why G-Reco threads should be banned. The series is already the worst thing created and is not enjoyable whatsoever, and if you say I'm wrong the you are a retarded idiot. But aside from that the only thing that happens in these threads is shitposting. In fact just the mention of it invites shitposting, so I say that any mention of G-Reco or Tomino should warrant banning.

>>151919300
You can make Char do anything and excuse it as "he was just lying man."

>>151919202
>Why can't they just fade away with dignity?
Because they'll fade into irrelevancy like Takahashi

>>151919299
>a massive hack who hasnt made a good show since the 90
I'm pretty sure he's only made two shows since the 90s, though. And King Gainer was good.

>>151918141
Tomino's Astro Boy episodes are better than most of Rintarou's

>>151919159
Not him, but while I agree that char's change from Zeta to CCA is a stretch there are some side materials that do a decent job at connecting the two.

One interpretation is that by the end of Zeta Char thought that he would be able to leave humanity's future with Kamille, and that he would be an example of the model newtype for the new era.

However after Scirocco takes Kamille's mind away with newtype BS Char basically has had it and becomes more jaded/psychopathic leading to CCA

Tomino's writing is fucking strange.
The only time it really works well is in Turn A.

The dialogue in works like Zeta and G-Reco make you feel like you're having a fever dream when they're interlaced with the plot.

>>151919353
Aldnoah Zero was good though.

Or at least decent

>>151918948

But plenty of the ones Tomino made are also less popular. In fact, many ofthe most popular Gundam series are ones he didn't work on. Which Tomino has bitched about before.

>>151919392
What exactly are you suggesting? That Takahashi's in any way forgotten? He just doesn't make the news because he isn't doing anything, that doesn't mean everyone forgets that Votoms or Dougram exist.

>>151919408
>Char thought that he would be able to leave humanity's future with Kamille

But humanity got someone better, Judeau.

>>151919353

The driving force of any halfway decent mecha show is compelling action. The plot can be as dumb as shit and if the action is outstanding then the scales are made even, because let's be very honest here - with a very small handful of exceptions like, I guess, E7 and Fafner and a minute smattering of others, no-one watches mecha anime for a gripping plot and a darkly compelling war story or examination of the human condition. They watch it to see giant robots shoot/beat the fuck out of each other, and if that is done exceedingly well then that's most of the bases covered, really.

>>151918996

>how many ways can I skew data to make my point valid

>>151919423
stick to A/Z faggot

>>151919467
>But humanity got someone better, Judeau.
And he said fuck you guys and left Jupiter.
Char wanted someone to change the world, not abandon it.

>>151919384
Sociopaths lie all the time. Everything about Char's character is built on lies even his namesake is a fucking lie. The movie is the only time his true character comes to light.

>>151919400
Rintarou's an actual unironic hack, though, so that's not saying much. 90% of his shit is just "fuck the plot, fuck the characters, let's drop half the shit from the manga so it makes no sense and we can have more fight scenes and dark brooding shots."

>>151919466
I wish I could forget Votoms exists

>>151919306
Bellri is seriously the most unintentionally sociopathic character ive seen in years, i genuinly don't know how tomino fucked him up so badly when he wrote kammile in the past. I guarentee you if the sister were the protagonist G-reco would of actually been good, she would of had to better herself as a person and a fighter to successfully fight off the conflict at hand rather than what we actually got of her jobbing so bellri can slaughter more innocents shortly before blaming them for making him do it.

>>151919398
gainer is not good, its fun but from the story standpoint its a fucking disaster with half the plotpoints being dropped without any closure. It was fun solely cause of some nice fights and animation, basically its shallow fun

>>151919477
>skew data
Just because you don't know anything doesn't mean you're right

>>151919520
Well Tomino's episodes are also better than the ones by noname directors. The only better ones are Tezuka ones and the ones by the director of Belladonna whose name I forget.

>>151914135
He's still wishing for people to forget what the shit that was G-Reco.

>>151919475
Even if we accept that bold claim, Aldnoah doesn't do action very well. All the battles are dull as fuck, all the designs are dull as fuck, it's just muh autistic marysue victory strategy every time.

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>>151919506
>even his namesake is a fucking lie
>tfw you realize Char called himself Quattro in Zeta because it was the 4th name he had taken for himself

>>151919506
>using sociopath has an excuse for every instance of bad writing
ride his cock more dumb tomino cuck

>>151919159
>ignoring ZZ
It's plain to see why Char becomes jaded as fuck after humanity did not change.

>>151919466
>He just doesn't make the news because he isn't doing anything,
Yeah that's the point and people don't remember VOTOMS or Dougram

>>151919559
>so bellri can slaughter more innocents
I wouldn't necessarily call them innocent.
They were just people who didn't know how to fight.

>>151919559
Bellri is a weak willed individual with little drive, motivations, or desires of his own. Anything he does he is told to do because he is incapable of thinking for himself. He is a retard that constantly fucks everything up, never grows or changes, and in the end accomplished nothing and was irrelevant in his own story.
Kio is better because not only does Kio have goals and ideals of his own and while admitting they might not be the best way, sticks to them. He also played a major role and in the end had a large impact on the story and Flit.

dunine and 079 are the only 2 shows tomino ever did that were actually good. Hes a fucking disaster of a director especially in the 90's and up. Wings of rean and garzey's wing deserve to be called 2 of the worst anime ever created.

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>>151919579
>bad writing
>the very foundation of his character is built on lies
Okay. The Orgin exists for retards like you.

>>151919645
You're not seriously telling me that you think fucking Dunbine is better than Xabungle or Turn A, are you?

>>151919666
sorry i dont watch this garbage because after how bad g-rektum and ibo were i stopped watching gundam

>>151919505
Maybe the only way to save the world is to abandon it?

>>151919572

Be true to yourself, have you ever watched a mecha show for its enticing plot?

And everything is a matter of individual perspective - not to say that there aren't better options, but Aldnoah certainly proved a hell of a lot more outstanding than many recent mecha shows in the action stakes, at least for me, even if the confrontations boiled down to much the same things on a regular basis.

>>151919614
I'm only just now realizing bellri is basically an unintentional mika where the writer was such a hack they forgot to put any actual consequence for his actions.

Seriously are you telling me kammile who acted like a dick for 10 episodes gets a horrendous fate because of it ye bellri can basially be the most evil character in his show and his fate is exploring mount fuji meanwhile his sister who should of been the MC lost fucking everything.

>>151919714
>but Aldnoah certainly proved a hell of a lot more outstanding than many recent mecha shows in the action stakes
Yes its outstanding that Aniplex managed to make a mecha show that's so fucking bad in the wake of Gundam Age, VVV and IBO

>>151919786
VVV is good though

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if only sunrise allowed 50 episiodes for G-reco
/a/ would probably liked it

>>151919428
1st season was at least watchable (still bad), 2nd season was horseshit

>>151919714
>have you ever watched a mecha show for its enticing plot
If by "plot," you mean "literal anything writing-related that isn't action," (since that's the claim you just made) then yes, that's a major factor in many of the mecha I choose to watch. I don't think anyone watches NGE, E7, Geass, Fafner, Turn A, RahXephon, Vifam, etc. solely for flashy action. Even shows that do depend on flashy action as their main appeal - say, Break Blade, which was recent and far better than Aldnoah on that front - have to avoid having actively offensive plots in order to be palatable.

>>151919826
>MUH MEMES
/a/ stop embrassing yourselves

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>>151919392
Rumiko Takahashi?

>>151919870
That's Quattro

>>151919786

IBO's a dull, droning mess that has boring fights and a sluggish plot that's taken a season and a half to get somewhere, AGE was a fucking catastrophe that squandered what was probably the most inventive premise that Gundam's had in years, and VVV, to me, is an intentional madcap trainwreck of a show with good action scenes.

Individual perspectives - I won't fault you for hold to your opinion, but I see Aldnoah as a wholly decent show.

>>151919884
He clearly means Ryosuke.

The tragedy of tomino is hes a good idea guy, but hes so full of himself without the actual talent to back it up that he winds up putting himself into an echo chamber of what he thinks is right with no if ands or buts to improve himself. If only there were another universe out there where he would write the script but pass of the directing to someone that actually knows how to direct and storyboard. Theres so many amateur and downright bizzare quirks in tomino's directing like how he always needs characters on screen to show them talk or to constantly have characters yell out the exact thing we are watching.

>>151919925
>hes so full of himself
Tomino shits on his own works ya know

>>151919851
We did get a 50 episode G-reco and we did like it. It was called turn-A and G-reco was just a shitty rehash of it.

>>151919893
No that's full frontal

>>151919859
honestly mecha action is most of the time the exact opposite of gripping and impressive. even in the 70s, i'd rather watch tiger mask's sketchy shit than the static garbage being made in mazinger

>>151919920
Yet A/Z is worse because it committed the biggest sin an anime can make; being a complete waste of time.

>>151920007
>>151919920
Can we just agree that Comet Lucifer and Dai Shogun were the worst recent mecha, and leave it at that?

>>151919561

Great argument.

This thread is a perfect example of how bad Gundam fans are. Point out a list of problems with the series and they have an excuse for why each one is actually a positive. As they have been presented with this list many times before.

Its almost as sad as Final Fantasy fans.

>>151920034
comet lucifer > G-reco > dai shogun id say, dai shogun is an abomination how did the guy who made stand alone complex write it.

>>151919714
>have you ever watched a mecha show for its enticing plot?

I liked E7 for its setting, atmosphere and take on a love story

And I definitely didn't watch 0079 because I thought it had good action scenes, there's probably 2-4 good action scenes throughout the entire show.

Bokurano is another one I watched for plot.

>>151919852
Aldnoah.Zero really should've just been something like Tokyo Magnitude 8.0.
It should've focused on building a sympathetic relationship for Inaho's group and their escape towards some safe zone like Siberia or wherever wasn't attacked.

Then instead of trying to be Char Slaine could've been searching for the princess' in order to prove she's alive and put an end to the war.

Also it should've toned way down on the Martian's super robot stuff.
The Kataphracts have a tactical aesthetic that's too strong to allow for Super robot elements to exist in that show the way they did.
.

All the assblasted autists in this thread. Even though his quote is somewhat misrepresented to a degree he's right you know. Those saying "B-but G-Reco" have no argument sice you're remembering it.

>>151920127
>the guy who made stand alone complex
He did like three or four episodes of SAC, let's not exaggerate things.

>>151920123
FF and Gundam are 2 of the worst fanbases period. Surprisingly the gundam subbreddit of all things is a fairly pleasant place. Then again Final fantasy at least seemed to react to its newest entry with less hostility than how gundam fans have reacted to any new entry in the past 2 decades.

Koe no Katachi was better than Your Name.

>>151920034
>Comet Lucifer and Dai Shogun
You see, there was no effort put into these titles and they obviously weren't suppose to be big titles (hell Comet Lucifer is the remians of an abandoned project from years back and Dai Shogun didn't even have any animation budget) so they come off as forgettable than awful.

>>151919971
this, he hated Victory so much he didn't want people to buy the dvds/blu-rays, he also recognized the problems in G-reco.

>>151919920
>AGE was a fucking catastrophe
While this is true I still somehow find it miles ahead of A/Z

The OST wasn't a recycled version of Gundam Unicorn's
The Mechanical design wasn't all over the place
The battle choreography was actually top notch
And its animation was pretty stellar compared to A/Z

The only real problems that killed AGE were due to its story, and that was 90% due to characterization and pacing.

>>151920123
>Point out a list of problems with the series and they have an excuse for why each one is actually a positive.
You haven't done any of that. We've just been ignoring G-Recorager to argue about Char.

>>151919862
Le VVV is le worst mecha
Nice me/m/e

>>151920139
>Those saying "B-but G-Reco" have no argument sice you're remembering it.

I mean when your forced to remmember who this guy is of course you are going to remember he did g-reco last. Its still a forgettable show all around cause the only thing that made it relavant in this case was forcing it back into your mind rather than organically it appearing in your head on its own merits. Especially since G-reco was greatly outshined in popularity and reception by build fighters even including the divisive try.

g-reco is pretty much as irrelivant as X and igloo at the point, 4chan is seriously the only place it ever gets mentioned and even then its 95% shitposting

>>151915422
>>151915671
And you people wonder why /a/ is 4chan laughing stock.

>>151920308
>forced to
Its not that hard. And the fact that it's getting a movie this year proves that a lot of people still remember it

>>151914135

> Tomino: "Everyone will forget Your Name in less than five years"

>Tomino is known for using numerous pseudonyms for miscellaneous staffing roles that he performs in his works, including Minami Asa (阿佐 みなみ Asa Minami?) and Minoru Yokitani (斧谷 稔 Yokitani Minoru?), which are used to credit himself for screenplays and storyboards he creates, Rin Iogi (井荻 麟 Iogi Rin?), which he uses to credit himself for theme song lyrics he writes.[2] Tomino (as Iogi) has collaborated with artists such as Yoko Kanno, Asei Kobayashi, MIO and Neil Sedaka.

Try to fucking use it then?

>>151920308
>Its still a forgettable show all around cause the only thing that made it relavant in this case was forcing it back into your mind rather than organically it appearing in your head on its own merits.
This makes no fucking sense.

>>151920391
So wait your argument that G-reco is relevant is that it has a movie with no hype or any real mention of coming up? Its just a recap movie anyway. If it were an actual film like how the garo movie was then you'd maybe have a point.

Why are old people so bitter?

>>151920431
>hey anon g-reco
>huh yeah it was a show
>see you remmember it therefore its not forgettable

A memorable show is one that holds relevancy on its own merits not being forced into conversation like it is in this case where its solely brought up to contrast his lack of credibility in criticizing other's work. Had tomino actually made another show past g-reco no one would even be bringing that one up and would instead be making all the contrasts to the newest work. This is because g-reco is a forgettable as fuck show.

>>151920531
Tomino was always bitter. The reason he left Mushi is because he felt like his superiors were resentful of his talent or something like that, and also because he and Rintaro hated each other. Just like Miyazaki, age isn't to blame.

>>151920503
He's lying, the movie doesn't exist.
sunrise has been silent and the only "confirmation" is a year old article on the site in the OP

>>151920531
Because they've seen the insides of the industry and how it's degrading compared to how it used to be.

Also Tomino has been angry since forever, he got butthurt at Sunrise in the early 90s during Victory Gundam and killed all of his characters off on purpose

>>151920531
Cause they never accept change and start to cloud themselves in echo chambers of how they are the only ones who are right. Its hard to shake old habits. tomino is just kind of a bitter prick but its more reassuring when you see older people in the industry that are still decent and passionate people about their work. Hes basically the good clone of tomino but Takahashi is example of a not bitter old person, he was also significantly more talented and ambitious than tomino ever was.

>>151920503
>If it were an actual film like how the garo movie was then you'd maybe have a point.
Except nobody gave a shit about that either
>>151920643
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-briefs/2016-11-16/animator-gundam-reconguista-in-g-to-play-in-movie-theaters-in-2017/.108870

>>151920123
The gundam fanbase might be one of the worst ou there and i fucking love gundam but its impossible to talk about the franchise with someone else outside the toys...

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So why is G-Reco still shitposted about 3 years later after it aired? I watched every Gundam series until AGE happened then I lost all interest in the series but I want to get back into it with that.

>>151918072
I'm pretty sure both Anno and Miyazaki hate Tomino at this point. They both believe that animation is a powerful medium for conveying thoughts, themes, and messages. Tomino believes that anime should primarily entertain the audience and poorly reviewed Evangelion because it made him feel sad.

>>151920705
>he was also significantly more talented and ambitious than tomino ever was.
>essentially tells the same story in all his works
Okay

>>151920643
That would explain things then, I've heard of the g-reco movies before but solely cause of people on /m/, and rul eof thumb if you are on modern /m/ and not in a fafner thread take EVERYTHING with a grain of salt.

>>151920735
Don't watch G-Reco it manages to be worse than AGE

>>151920751
Anno loves Gundam (at least the original and Yas' Origin) and Ideon, though, so I doubt he really hates Tomino.

>"Everyone will forget Your Name in less than five years
This is true. Meanwhile, Anno is STILL TO THIS DAY making ripoffs of Tomino's masterpieces.

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>>151920824
Fuck, I really like the character designs though

Seriously why do you guys hate fun? ZZ was a blast for me too watch, and I'm new to the franchise having finished it recently.

>>151920591
>A memorable show is one that holds relevancy on its own merits not being forced into conversation like it is in this case where its solely brought up to contrast his lack of credibility in criticizing other's work.
Then that means it was memorable jackass, if someone brings up a piece of work then that show is still etched to their memory whether it be good or bad.

>Had tomino actually made another show past g-reco no one would even be bringing that one up and would instead be making all the contrasts to the newest work.
G-Reco is a Gundam series thereby its never going to be forgotten easily and given its success it seems like you're in the vast minority who thought it was forgettable

>>151920735
>So why is G-Reco still shitposted about 3 years later after it aired?
Yet there's a retard in this thread who thought it was forgettable

>>151920735
>>151920873
It was Tomino's first series in over a decade, so his fanbase came out to support.
Some of them claim it's god's gift and others realized the shitposting potential and took this opportunity.


In my opinion the show's a solid 7 so it's watchable, but the pacing was fucked, so unless you marathon it you'll be lost.
The only really good thing about it was mechanical design,OST, animaiton, choreography and some character interactions.
Yoshida's character designs doing goofy shit were probably the only reason I watched if you like campy tomino stuff like 0079/king gainer you might like it

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>>151920874
ZZ wasn't bad at all honestly. It was really jarring at first going from Zeta to ZZ but after you get used to watching a show be more light hearted it's good.

Honestly if ZZ was like the Earth arc the entire show it would probably be one of my favorite Gundam shows

>>151920735
It's the only Tomino show /a/ watched as they only watch seasonal anime.

>>151920503
>So wait your argument that G-reco is relevant is that it has a movie with no hype or any real mention of coming up?
Actually you're wrong on both accounts. Try again
>Garo movie.
Literally no one gave a shit much like the anime in general

>>151920859
It's possible he's grown to dislike Tomino while still respecting his early work. I know Ideon and Gundam were huge influences for Anno in terms of genre, but they possess completely different beliefs about the medium and storytelling in general.

>>151920874
The main reason for the ZZ hate is that irl and in-universe it took palce a week after Zeta.
Transferring from such a depressing tone to lighthearted fun adventures with more depressing undertones is not typically ideal for a story.

>>151920735
Well if i had to say personally

G-reco is a mess that is most similar to turn-A, its super rushed and really only has good animation going for it but even then that starts to wear out in the final episodes. Personally would not recommend it to anyone but completionists

Thunderbolt is pretty solid, its very grim almost to a point against the series but its also a pretty nice change of pace from the typical gundam fare. Its also only 40 minutes long so just try it out.

then theres ibo, reception here is mislading since gundam is prone to shitposting like this thread, first season is kind of a middle of the road gundam but most entertaining and has some nice ideas some of which are handled beter than others. Much like turn-A its a very ungundam show and actually puts signifigantly more focus on action less scenarios than the mech fights but then as it goes on it becomes more than more like a typical gundam show with larger factions and so forth, the mech fights have decent storyboarding and framing but the animtion is derpy unfortunately. Its pretty flawed but also got some merit. So far season 2 is a massive improvement and its doing some pretty ballsy stuff with the protagonist. Its definitely worth a try as long as you can stomach a poorly paced middle during season 1.

lastly theres origin, ill just be a dick and say read the manga.

Is G-Reco only hated by retards and normalfags?

>>151921062
For the love of god don't take this faggot's opinion seriously

>おじいちゃん、才能枯れちゃったからなぁ。
>30分のおもちゃのCM作る天才だったのに……

Seeing /a/'s usual comments being reflected by the Japanese gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling inside

>>151921028
>to lighthearted fun adventures with more depressing undertones
Not the same anon, but I actually kind of like that, though and I though it was still pretty solid when they got back to space.
The fact that Beecha became the captain was also a nice development in my opinion, it showed how he went from backstabbing little cunt to a guy they could trust to make some of the calls in the battlefield, he certainly was no Bright, but I think he did a well enough job even then he still had some help as captain to show that he was still inexperienced.

>>151921194
I always get thrown off by how similar 4chan and 2chan wind up being sometimes.

>>151921194
>Japs can be just as retarded as /a/
Okay? This has been known for years

>>151920200
In this corner of the world shits on both.

>>151921194
Millennial are millennials no matter what side of the globe they inhabit.
They call them niwaka there, though.

>>151920735
oh and as you can tell by now, stuff like this >>151921112 is a prime example of why you shouldnt come here for gundam advice, reddit is cancer but the gundam subbreddit is surprisingly good and friendly. much better to ask there than here.

>>151921300
Is this post ironic?

>>151914135
Its really depressing when industry legends like this are reduced to only being relevant when they bitch about popular things. The last times before this when tomino was relevant was when G-reco came out and most people hated it, and then before that was when he was bitching about how grotesque shingeki no kyojin was after reading 1 chapter.

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>low bro, highly marketed, widely accessible product becomes a resounding success
>p-people will forget about it in 5 years!
Bitter oldfag directors are hilarious.

>>151921361
I think he legit think people take his opinions seriously

>>151914135
true, it was average at best

>>151920751
Do you realize that most of the themes in Eva that people wank so much are borrowed from Tomino and that all of his shows are very thematical are are you acquainted with him only through memes?

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>>151921432
I love how what he says his right by /a/ is far too stubborn to admit it. But hey remember when people kept hyping up Rebellion as the anime event of the decade yet most everyone has forgotten about it now?

>>151920871
Damn, didn't know Tomino also started going by Mitsuteru Yokoyama now.

>>151921580
>Mitsuteru Yokoyama
Who?

>>151914135
Old man yells at cloud.

>>151921432

>Bitter oldfags are hilarious

Fixed that for you. The Tomino defense force is quicker to start crying over the millennial boogeymen than even Miyazakifags.

>>151921112
>>151921361
>>151921433
>>151921572

Are you that guy everyone on /m/ keeps calling a faggot and keeps trying to start shit with fafner fans cause people actually liked it?

>>151915137
Bitter? Nah. He speak the truth.

There are other better Shinka fims he made, however, since he upgraded in production and all for Your Name now everyone want to flock to him.

>>151921621
>>151921624
>>151921628
Here's a (you) since its getting sad now

>>151921688
I'm taking that as a yes then, dude you can like whatever fucking show you like but stop trying to start shit with fafner fans, I'm sorry we actually care about our series enough to spend more time disucssing lore and theories for upcoming events than just calling people reards for not liking a show not many liked.

>>151921416

It really is. If everything is so awful, why don't they get off their asses and start a new project? You know, show those non-70 year olds how to do it?

>D-Don't tell me what to do old man
>Y-You don't know anything

You guys sound like children.

>>151921572
It's not whether or not he's right, but rather he's actively avoiding saying that it was a success, or that it succeeded very well in what it was trying to do.
He actually sounds really jealous that Shinkai's simple film greatly outsold the majority of his "artistic" products.

Is he right? Maybe. But it doesn't change the fact that Kimi no Na Wa destroyed every single one of his works except for maybe the earlier gundams in sales.

>>151921416
>The last times before this when tomino was relevant was when G-reco came out and most people hated it,
You mean retards? It did well sales and ratings wise.
>>151921797
Tomino literally just got off G-Reco and is working on the movies. What mecha offerings has the industry given us as a response for him?
>Aldnoah Zero
>Comet Lucifer
>Cross Ange

Pathetic

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>>151921688

?

>>151921005
I mean, they aren't wrong in their beliefs.

Anime and any other medium, at the heart, should be entertaining and then it should carry a message that'll resonate within the viewers psyche.

There hasn't been a single new good japanese creator in any medium, music animation fashion art film since Anno except for Shinkai.

Japan is so fucking finished what a terribly shit generation they are. Even bigger failures than their western counterparts.

Actually I'm being unfair. Some young ones have managed to make good manga and porn.

>>151921613
If only search engines existed.

Also, before this dissolves into an argument, I'll admit that I was wrong; I thought you're implying Tomino invented mecha rather than Tomino influencing NGE.

>>151921800
Whom are you strawmanning?

>>151921847
This is pretty much the issue here, he did this before with alot of other shows. He just comes off as petty not constructively critical.

>>151921892

>G-Reco

*That's* how it's supposed to be done?

>>151921892
You left off fafner exodus which utterly destroys G-reco all around

>>151921847
>but rather he's actively avoiding saying that it was a success, or that it succeeded very well in what it was trying to do.
Who cares if its a success? The whole point of the conversation is that whether it'll have the same impact years down the line. A movie can be successful now but won't hold the same appeal years down the line which happens to everything film. The very fact that Your Name's measurement of quality is judged mainly by its revenue is proving his point

Why the fuck would he be jealous? Infact I'm pretty sure the interviewer brought up Your Name and wanted his opinion on it outside that Tomino is just glad to still be working.

>>151921892
I dont know if your shitposting but just so you know there isnt actually a G-reco movie coming out. The only thing tomino said he might be doing next is a fantasy mecha and he'd want at least 2 years to do it.

>>151921624
Tomino is right.

Shinka'll make another film and then you'll have the same situation as Your Name. Well, if it succeeds. Everyone want to latch unto the now and when it fade away look for something new.

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>>151921847
>But it doesn't change the fact that Kimi no Na Wa destroyed every single one of his works except for maybe the earlier gundams in sales.
Ahahahahahahahahahaha

>>151922015
Fafner Exodus was planned for 6 years and it destroys most mecha offerings since Turn A

>>151922083
>there isnt actually a G-reco movie coming out.
>>151920718

>>151922216
>most mecha offerings since Turn A

Oh yeah and what stellar competition that was.

>>151922216
Its almost like when a staff actually cares about a product and their fans they make a good successful product that people remember.

>>151922266
You're right its not

Your Rope is literally the Avatar of anime.

>>151922266
Are you disding Turn S or everything that came after it?

>>151922393
Everything that came after it.

Yoshikazu Yasuhiko is tomino if tomino wasnt a hack.

>>151922433
Well that makes sense.

>>151921892
>What mecha offerings has the industry given us as a response for him?
Bubuki Buranki was actually really good

>>151922460
>Yas
>not a hack
>The Origin is shit
>everything he did in the 80s is shit
>endorses Yuri on Ice

>>151922501
>Bubuki Buranki was actually really good
No it wasn't. And thank god this 3DCG fad is over

Mecha is rightfully a dead genre.

>>151922509
Origin is Gundam if Gundam wasn't shit.

>>151917770
Can I have the source of the picture please

>>151914135
While Tomino has opinions that make him seem like a bumbling idiot, he's not entirely wrong. Although it won't be completely forgotten, it doesn't seem like any kind of special phenomena that will have lasting influence.

It's only unusual in that it's a popular blockbuster and NOT a Ghibli movie. Hell, the director himself said that he doesn't think it deserves the praise and that western critics comparing him to Miyazaki are grossly exaggerating.

>>151922908

It's certainly refreshing to see non-Ghibli anime movies getting this kind of attention.

Damn, so jealous

>>151922711
Sup ANN
>>151922908
>While Tomino has opinions that make him seem like a bumbling idiot
Only if you're a retard

Wow, /a/ really doesn't know shit about Tomino. It's funny seeing people here try to discredit his correct opinion just because he made G-Reco which is likely the only Gundam series they've seen. He's one of the most influential and legendary figures in Anime, fags. If anyone knows about the industry it's him.

>>151922908
>Although it won't be completely forgotten,
Of course it will when his next film underwhelms everyone

>>151923088
Hosoda already got that kind of attention, and unlike Shinkai he's not a complete hack.

>>151923431
>he's not a complete hack.
>has not made one single good movie
It took 7 fucking years for people to admit that Summer Wars was shit

>>151923500
Don't bother posting if you have no idea what it makes a good movie.

>>151923595
Yeah its called not copying a previous movie or pandering to furfags

>>151923431

I wasn't specifically referring to Shinkai.

Besides, both of them are somewhat overrated. I'm worried that Hosoda is going to fall into a formula of ungrateful kids completely abandoning the people who go through hell to raise them in particular. The point is this kind of stuff might be able to open a doorway for non-Ghibli stuff.

>>151923649

While I'm convinced that Hosoda has a thing for furry dudes, everyone is pandering to furfags these days.

>>151923654
Ghibli is dead either way so something will have to fill out the niche.
But practically everything would have been better than Shinkai.

>>151923761
Something needs to fill the niche of something to get excited for as the years blockbuster releases roll around. But in a historical sense, as a matter of whether there is a need for something to stand alongside it in the collections of significant works of film 20 or so years from now, not really. If there's film to put in there's film to put in, if not then not. Shinkai doesn't need to occupy such a space, is unlikely to fill such a space, and I doubt he very much cares to.
He does his job of having blockbusters for the year and he does a very admirable job of it.

>>151919364
Nice bait.

ZZ is a trash show. Judau is a great character STUCK in a shit show. Even Tomino admitted it was garbage and a waste of time when he used Bright as a mouthpiece to apologize to the fanbase in the last episode.

Admit you only like it for the loli and Haman.

>>151914135
Is this suppose to be nagative or something else?
i mean that is exactly what the whole movie talking about.

>>151916163
t. Mollusc

>>151914135
>"Everyone will forget Your Name in less than five years"
Duh? I eman isn't that obvious?

Unless you do something makes people remember you, 99% of people will never know you existed once you died.

>>151915397
>It's kind of misrepresenting what he is saying, he is saying nobody is will watch Your Name is 5 years because it has been made too much about the fashion of NOW and will age badly, it hasn't been made to be timeless

See he says that, but people will always remember 80s fashion. Remember it to laugh at it, yes, but remember it nonetheless.

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>>151914135
>That roasting Tomino is getting in the comments by Nips

he's not wrong. nobody ever talks about movies like 5cm/s or The Garden of Words anymore, even though both were much better films.

>>151925460
>5cm/s
They still do.

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>>151914135
>http://yaraon-blog.com/archives/98164
>でも富野のガンダムは失敗続きだぞ
>Gレコは赤字になったの？

>>151925460
>5cm/s
I can't tell if you're joking or not since they were saying people still talk about it in the link

>>151923920
I liked ZZ better than zeta and I hated the loli and didn't care for haman.

>>151923920
>used Bright as a mouthpiece to apologize to the fanbase in the last episode
What did Bright say?

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>>151915397
If he wanted to be accurate, he should've said "nobody will remember your anime in 5 years, unless it's K-On!"

>>151914135
Good thing we're not in 5 years, right now Kimi no na wa is in cinema and i'll watch it 5 times.

>>151915397
It's not misrepresenting anything. Look at the Nips tearing into him.

He's just a jealous hack as usual

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>>151925631
>>151924901
>he needs comments from yaraon to validate his existence
I love how you're the only one that cares. You all really just come off as butthurt.

>>151926561
>Nips tearing into him.
Yeah just how all those Attack On Titan fags "ripped him to shreds" three years ago. Good to see that Your Name fags have the same level of IQs

>Tomino mildly criticises something
>websites blow it out of proportion
>idiots get mad
Every single time

Damn, everyone in this thread is ass-raping Tomino even harder than Miyazaki.

>>151926852
/a/ has developed an innate hatred for old Japanese men due to reading too much NTR h-manga.

>>151926626
>>151926733
>G-recofags butthurt their favorite autist is seen as a joke and G-Reco is just as hated there as it is in the west

>Yeah just how all those Attack On Titan fags "ripped him to shreds" three years ago
Everyone laughs at him and moves on, his playing the village idiot doesn't merit any stronger response. Araki probably invited him just to laugh at him saying something stupid again while making himself look like a better/reasonable person.

I can't wait to see how ANN spin this.

>>151914135
(Your Name)

>>151927097
>his playing the village idiot doesn't merit any stronger response.
Yet here you are commenting on how those Nips are "ripping him apart"

>>151923251
He's a fucking toy seller and has never made a decent anime in his life. Even /m/anchildren struggle to watch his shit.

>>151926626
Its not even ripping him apart its just butthurt faggots saying that since Your Name made a lot of money it means he shouldn't talk bad about it.

>>151920384
It's not

>>151914135
He said that because he knows Shinkai still go further. In next 3 years, we will see his true masterpiece that beat Spirited Away domestically.

>>151914135
Nor surprise. Tomino was super jealous of Shinkai and Anno.

https://twitter.com/otakucalendarjp/status/805483845734649856

>>151927237
Oh /a/ you say the stupidest shit

>>151927349
>no source
Okay

>>151927426
>NHK Radio

Don't be a stupid shit.

>>151927254
>Its not even ripping him apart its just butthurt faggots saying that since Your Name made a lot of money it means he shouldn't talk bad about it.
I just realized that by your name he meant the movie, I thought he was saying that your name would be forgotten in 5 years if you die.

>>151927349
>Replacing Yamakan's comment with Tomino
>no source
Seems legit.

>>151927450
That's not a source honey.

>>151914135
He said that nobody will watch it in 5 years you fucking retards

>>151927193
I'm not quite sure whats gripping your autism or why you're using quotation marks and not quoting something I typed.

I don't think it requires much effort to leave a post laughing at him and then moving on with your life.

>>151927450
>>151927349
Chwck>>151927866
>I don't think it requires much effort to leave a post laughing at him and then moving on with your life.
Yet here you are putting emphasis on it which is the equivalent of using YT commentd as a base for something. Are you that fucking pathetic?

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>>151927951
>LEAVE TOMINO ALONE

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>>151928052
>TOMINO MADE FUN OF AN ANIME I LIKE
>HE MUST SUFFER

Does /m/ in general like Tomino?

>>151919574
holy shit

>>151928226
From what I understand they hate every gundam that isn't made by Tomino so you can guess if they like him or not.

>>151928226
Nah we pretend to like him because it triggers /a/

I already forgot Your Name until this thread happened.

>>151927951
What do I have to do with Nips tearing into him? It seems you're having a hard time following this conversation. I think all the Tomino Dialogue you've intaken is affecting your mind.

>>151926626
>>151927951
>>151928138

Don't Tominofags have anything better to do than defend him to the death online? Some people say they don't like him and you lose your shit.

>>151921920
Yamada, Yoshinori, Yuasa, Imaishi, Hiromasa, Yasuhiro, Ishihara, Hosoda.

>>151928226
/m/ doesn't like anything, liking things makes you a spic.

>>151914135
Does this mean he's going back to 'kill em all Tomino' mode?

>>151928278
>>151928287
Okay, so /m/ does love Tomino.

>>151928364
This is their equivalent to "ripping in to him">>151927254. Are you really that pathetic?
>>151928383
>Don't Tominofags have anything better to do than defend him to the death online?
I say the same thing about people who hate him

>>151928393
How the fuck did you not list Kon?