What's so great about Miyazaki?

"ppl"
>>>/b/

>>151502963

He's massivelly overrated. That's what you wanted to hear? It's true anyway

>>151502963
>someone talks shit about miyazaki movies
>ask whats he consider great anime
>says some shit like Gantz or Kaiji
>everytimes

whats your favorite anime OP ??
>

kiki was good (not a lolicon)

>>151502963
He's built himself up as a brand and something of a conservative pioneer of the medium from the 'good old days' that earns his works more respect than they deserve.

Some of his stuff is good, but he's really just an old fart living in the past; making conceited remarks about the medium that's leaving him behind.

>>151502963
Oh nothing, he just made the highest grossing Japanese film and anime film of all time.

>>151503514
Seirei no Moribito.

>>151502963
This would be a lot easier to explain if you weren't totally illiterate in the medium you're trying to discuss

>>151503514
G-Reco

>>151503761
Disney dominates the charts with animated works and they pump out shallow but emotionally manipulative shlock with 0 substance.

>>151502963
We dont need this thread every week, use the fucking archive nothing you have to say nor the rest of /a/ hasnt already been said/discussed. Fuck off

>>151503514
Re:Zero.

>>151504142
>Disney
>Bad
I'd agree if you said Dreamworks or Pixar but Disney has never till this day produced a bad movie. They're simply the best at anime.

>>151504203
Pixar>all

>>151503514
Shinsekai Yori

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>>151503100
No that's not remotely true, the fucking true is, he shat on the filthy disgusting otaku culture, and /a/ is super salty about it, that why thread like this pop up everyday and you fucks can talk shit and feel better about yourself.

>>151504231
Shittaste /co/.

>>151502963
>Look! I made this thread again!
Please put general in the name field next time.

>>151502963
>I'm watching the cagliostro shit right now and 25 min in all we know is fucking nothing. a bunch of stuff happened but who knows what's relevant or not, what has to do with whom and why. it's just a bunch of shit happening randomly.
You sound kinda dumb desu, since when is Lupin III hard to understand

>>151502963
>good, comprehensive story
What makes a story "comprehensive," exactly?

>>151502963
nothing, his movies are boring

>>151504203
Disney has quite a few films swept under the rug per se that if you asked any cunt on the street, they'd probably not remember including:

-The Rescuers
-Fox and the Hound
-Oliver and Company

Nevermind some of the others that lets face it, are going to be footnotes in history

I don't have much of an opinion on the man himself, but I hold Nausicaä as my favourite animated film of all times.
And while >>151504369 speaks the truth, he hasn't done much to contribute to anime in the last years, other than those intros for those Animator shorts, and they don't add much

>>151502963
He's a master animator and easily one of the greatest animation directors from any country and time. His works are so much more than mere stories translated into animation, but take advantage of the full capabilities of the medium. Many of his films can and should be considered classics or masterpieces of the art form, having inspired millions worldwide. Even besides his films, he's extraordinarily influential and has done a great deal to advance animation in Japan. Obviously I'm an idiot for responding seriously to such a retarded thread, but fucking seriously dude you know nothing about film or animation if you're sincerely making posts like this. If you don't get why, say Cagliostro for example, is a good film, you can fucking google it. His works are already established as great and there's a ton of writing on them available to you.

>>151503514
Space Runaway Ideon
Fuck Miyazaki. Hail Tomino.

>>151504668
I didn't say that everyone of them was a blockbuster. I said they never made a bad movie which is true.

>>151504685
Last years? He hasn't had a good movie in like a decade.

>>151503514

Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita did a better 2deep4you than any Ghibli film

>>151504789
The wind rises is better than your favorite non Miyazaki movie.

>>151504789
Wind Rises and Ponyo are magnificent.

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>>151503514
>talking shit about Kaiji

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>>151503514
>>151503761
>>151504073
>>151504166
>>151504369
>>151504416
>>151504423
>doesn't mention a single quality of his actual work

>>151504699
>can't name a single title or any reference of any kind, "google it"
no title has even been mentioned twice within this thread yet, let alone explained what's so good about it, jesus fuck his work must be memorable

>>151505018
He's so great he just mindblowned everyone into forgetting it so they can experience the greatness of remember his movies after searching on the internet.

>>151505018
Buddy when his fucking Wikipedia page will tell you why he's good, do you really need to whine on /a/ about no one hand feeding you reviews? You're doing the equivalent of asking /tv/ why Welles or Fellini are good, or asking /mu/ what was "so great" about Hendrix's guitar.

>>151505018
That's because this is a bait thread, people came in to call out the cancer that is this thread, not to defend Miyasaki, no matter what people say, you will just shit on it, why bother?

>>151505120
>asking /tv/ why Welles or Fellini are good
I would probably get a lot of great replies

stop saying "google it" you weaboo

>>151505253
someone will always bother if they actually have anything to say or have any dignity

what are the fucking titles that are so amazing

I will watch them and decide if he's amazing or not

being animated sort of well like castle of oregano is not good enough, it's not amazing and the story isn't interesting or credible to an adult

even reading the wikipedia synopsis is fucking weird
>"The Castle of Cagliostro follows gentleman thief Arsène Lupin III, who successfully robs a casino – only to find the money to be counterfeit. He heads to the tiny country of Cagliostro, the rumoured source of the bills,"
ok so far makes sort of sense maybe? I mean he literally has no reason to do that but the things he does are sort of related to each other I guess.
>"...and attempts to save the runaway Clarisse from the Count Cagliostro's men."
wait what? who? why? he just sees some broad being chased and now his life revolves around getting this chick out of some aryan super castle that has AI weaponry and shit, cause idk maybe he would get something out of that? maybe he just has nothing better to do? what are we supposed to even care about in this story?

I guess if you can animate you can make anything happen on the screen (like the protagonist simply climbing a flat wall cause the story demands it) but that's not automatically compelling when we have no idea of anyone's motivations or why anything is happening at all

>>151505714
>I would probably get a lot of great replies
/tv/ is a trash board that loves spoonfeeding. Have fun over there.

>>151505873
no they just actually have stuff to say about their favourite works of art and storytelling unlike you autistic weaboos

>>151505714
You seriously should just google that shit, you aren't getting anything out of /a/, now this is just a recommendation thread, you should just gtfo and never come back.

>>151505714
How old are you?

>>151505987
>expect /a/ to actually have constructive conversation about anime

how new are you?

>>151504783
Chicken Little. :^)

>>151502963
Miyazaki is a fucking asshole, don't get me wrong, he's the most overrated person in cinema history, but i have to agree with him whenever he criticizes "otaku culture"
Anime was a fucking mistake.
Anime is not of any value.

>>151503514
>X thing is shit
>hur dur, what do you like
Not an argument

>>151502963
Because he has an in depth understanding of things like color theory, story structure, shot composition, perspective, line, and the actual process of animation

>>151506117
>Anime is not of any value.
Purely a matter of perspective. Saying that anime is not of value is like saying that entertainment is not of value
>b-but muh books and muh movies! Art!
Sorry to disappoint you but value isn't a objective concept, what constitutes whether something has or hasn't value is personal perspective and criteria.
>But there's things that are universally accepted as being of value and things that are not!
First even if that was true, It wouldn't really apply in this case because only extremely simple matters and concepts are universally agreed upon. Second, using this as an argument is like admitting that majority's opinion is always right.
>But muh arguments!
Again, any argument that you make trying to explain what constitutes value will fall upon your personal bias.

>>151506117
Reminder that "anime was a mistake" and the like images were shooped.

>>151506117
You know that Miyazaki values animation a lot, right?

>>151504783
They've made ALOT of forgettable stuff in the past decade. Chicken Little, Meet the Robinsons, Home on the Range, Bolt, nigga even The Hunchback is only known for the meme shit with the priest dudeds reaction.

Frozen was the only thing going for it and thats because they sucked it up and appealed to their bread and butter crowd; little girls and grown up white chicks

It's hard to take you serious when your criticisms are so shallow, OP. What you're doing is basically
>Why do ppl like this shit??It's shit!Tell me why it isn't shit
If you want constructive discussion you need to make a constructive post to begin with.

>>151505987
>>151506058
Same person.

Miyazaki's works are in the tradition of the myth and the fairy tale but transcend both those mediums; in his best films, like in all great works of art, the highest human ideals are expressed and brought to light in a way that is unique and meaningful, and parts of the human condition which are most valuable are elucidated in a unique and beautiful way - which, really, is the project of all good art.

>>151506461
I'm neither a little girl nor a white chick but Frozen is my anime of the decade. It was magical.

>>151502963
He makes comfy kids' movies older people can enjoy.

>>151504668
>>151504203
>>151504142
>Disney
Is this serious?Disney films are the bottom of the barrel in terms of boring, commercial blockbuster movies that can't stimulate anyone beyond a superficial level and only appeal to the lowest common denominator.

I'm not a huge Ghibli fanboy, but at least character interactions in Ghibli films feel real, their reactions seem real and their struggle seem real and thus the message of the film generally feels more real and has more impact. Miyazaki doesn't make use of fast paced animation, characters talking, singing and moving non stop in a cartoony unrealistic manner to mask the lack of depth of his story, unlike disney.

You've to be really high on your nostalgia to actually consider disney anything but mediocre.

>>151506614
fag

>>151502963
>he literally just makes bare minimum quality animated unintelligible children's films
Read the Wikipedia page on Spirited Away. It'll probably blow your feeble fucking mind away.

>>151506662
What of Golden Age Disney have you seen?

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>>151506662
Nigga I dont think you read the reply properly, I was trashin how they make forgettable stuff over the years/ Disney is basic white girl tier shit that people only remember from the 90s.

>>151506696
Almost everything. I was a huge disney fanboy as a kid and had most of their movies in VHS

>>151506731
Bizarre opinion then

Spirited Away is actually one of the deeper anime in terms of how the narrative themes are written into the movie. You don't so much as recognize the themes as much as feel them, because they're hidden beneath several layers, and even conveyed in things like the musical score. Very simple things like a lone chord sync up with the scene masterfully. The themes themselves are relatively simple like growing up, indulgence/greed, or nostalgia, but they're cooked in so thoroughly with everything else that you simply know you saw something profound, even if you didn't realize what it was at the time.

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Friendly obligatory reminder:

Miyazaki did NOT say "anime was a mistake." That was a shoop and the phrase is literally the forced meme of all alleged forced memes. I also suspect the image in OP is also shooped. The original Japanese doesn't seem to mean what the English says.

>>151506662
Hercules and Aladdin are better than shit like Pom Poko and Grave of the Fireflies, you no-taste faggot.

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>>151502963
I think he's overrated in western society, but that's just because they don't know any better.

I think he's rightfully respected in Japan though. I mean he literally influenced a ton of directors, and animators through his career, and probably continues to do so.

>>151506806
I thought he originally was saying how otaku driving the anime business is bad because it means anime producers/directors have to pander to them instead of creating actually good stuff?

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>>151502963
I don't really see how you could have a problem understanding such a straight-forward, family-friendly adventure film like Cagliostro. If you genuinely think it's "unintelligible", that says a lot more about you than Miyazaki.

>>151506806
No but I do think that its safe to say he's disgusted with the current trend of things within the industry. Miyazaki always said anime was merely a medium for telling a story, not the other way around

>>151506058
well does any board? it seems either boards don't care about anime at all or it's all autistic weaboos who can't form proper thoughts

>>151506154
>story structure
what does this mean? in castle of cagliostro you don't even know exactly what the characters are trying to do or why until like an hour into the piece of shit, when it's properly stated that the thief wants to save the girl... although they don't say why. he just wants to, cause he happened to see her I guess. and the white man stuck in the 18th century wants to marry the girl so their ancient goat blood can mix or something. retarded and racist to be honest.

howl's moving castle is mostly random stuff happening. the protagonist had a fine life but kinda low self esteem, then she randomly got cursed by a witch, wow much plot, and went on a random magical journey to get rid of the curse. then she felll in love with some wizard character we only have a surface understanding of, cause he always does secret things and acts weird and we don't really know who he is. also war is bad cause characters say it's bad and we see fire n stuff. what a great story.

what does "an in depth understanding of story structure" mean here? yes he can animate normal animation, fucking fantastic, the stories are not worth it this far

>>151506502
and you're the same person as everyone else in this thread, or what

>>151506476
if you like something you can tell me why, there isn't even need for discussion per se you just need to actually add information to a post, I don't really need an argument to not understand why people like something

>>151506560
that sounds great but it's not very specific. even if you are right and all his works express those things, it doesn't automatically turn them into interesting stories

>>151506625
if we just consider them children's films it kind of makes sense I guess

>>151506678
>>151506805
watched that twice yet completely forgot it. maybe one needs to be more emotional to get them.

>>151506850
>Western bad Nippon numba one
Fuck off
>>151506843
You'd have to go a lot earlier in the catalog of Disney to find something better than Grave of the fireflies or Only Yesterday.

>>151506770
Disney films were astonishing in terms of animation, no question about that, but when it came to characters, plot, themes and everything else that constitutes a film they were actually pretty mediocre, even in their prime.

Try to watch a old disney film today, I can assure you nothing will catch your eye aside from the animation. Now try to watch Princess Kaguya, Grave of Fireflies, Mononoke, Kiki Delivery Service and Whisper of the heart and then tell if any Disney film can be compared to Ghibli's in terms of stimulating you beyond superficial levels.

>>151506850
What do you mean they don't know any better? Besides Takahata I couldn't name another anime director on Miyazaki's level.

>>151506869
Miyazaki's general problems with the industry are:
- there's too damn much of it
- too commercial
- changing role of the animator

If you get a chance, read "Starting Point" - I learned a ton from it.

>>151506876
the characters have no apparent motivation and simply do stuff cause apparently they want to, there's no real reason to care about them cause we don't know much about them, the story feels 100 years old except less clear, and characters just pull whatever out of their ass when the script demands it

>>151506843
>Hercules
Literally whitewashed the original story and fucked over a good part of it. It was an abortion with the sassy black pottery women being its only saving grace.

>Aladdin
Robin williams carried that movie. Nevermind how tidied up it is since 9/11 threw the real muzzie world into the west's face

>>151506927
I watch my favourites regularly (Pinocchio, Fantasia, Dumbo, Snow White) and I think they're brilliant, so it's not nostalgia. I prefer my favourite Ghiblies to my favourite Disneys, but they're all classics and deserve the same treatment.

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>>151506923
Your opinions are trash.

overrated or not, this old man has several oscars for fucking anime

but holy fuck talk about old ass man getting worked up about cartoons for children

>>151506884
>if you like something you can tell me why
You could just you know, watch his films and see for yourself. But okay, since you seem to at least put effort in your posts instead of being a lazy piece of shit I will tell you my opinion.

To me Miyazaki is great because he understands human emotion and psycology really well, especially when it comes to children. The movements, reactions, doubts and interactions that you see his characters having are portayed in a extremely relatable and although dramatic, realistic way. He doesn't resort to cheap, exaggerated and/or inhuman reactions in his works and he doesn't shy away from making slow paced movies with barely any dialogue in some parts, which is something that gives more credibility and immersion to the worlds and characters he creates.

Aside from that, I also like how his movies are pretty simplistic so that anyone can understand but at the same time have interesting messages and themes hidden whitin them.

Also,God-tier animation/art.

>>151502963

What's so great about shitty late night fap bait anime for degenerate losers? How about we answer that question instead of pursuing this vendetta again

>>151502963
Nausicca, but that was also 30 years ago

>>151507185
You are a fanboy. His movies are overrated. I know this because I've seen them. Half of the Disney films, if not more, are better than the Miyazaki films and I even rewatched them recently.

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>>151503761
>within mere months, Kimi no Na wa (288 million USD) is on the cusp of going beyond the box office gross of Spirited Away (289.1 million USD), making it the highest grossing anime film and Japanese film of all time

Really tickles my synapses.

>>151506560
Then congragulations Loofah, you're a butt pirate

>>151507120
Your opinion is trash. Mine hold weight and can be backed up with facts

>>151507323
>facts
You mean opinions. Shitty ones at that.

At least I have the ability to judge a work objectively. I'll admit not many people have this ability, but I am one of the few who do.

>>151505714
literally all of your questions are answered in the following scene via blatant exposition from lupin himself

>>151507240
>I don't have arguments but you're still wrong
>I don't have arguments but the thing I like is better than the thing you like
>This makes you the fanboy, not me
Great argument my friend. Now go back into watching your 100 minutes of singing and exaggerated movements trying to retell some fable or legend that disney thought they should butcher.

literally laughted out loud when the female spy uttered those stupid lines, sounds like written by a five year old

castle that has deadly security everywhere has no security when the story happens to dictate it

main characters can be very near or even inside a GIANT fucking fire, no problem

just gonna keep listing these stupid things as I watch

>>151507185
>watch his films
I have, and I am watching one right now

>he understands human emotion and psycology really well, especially when it comes to children. The movements, reactions, doubts and interactions that you see his characters having are portayed in a extremely relatable and although dramatic, realistic way. He doesn't resort to cheap, exaggerated and/or inhuman reactions in his works
maybe I just don't relate to his characters. I'm not around children and don't really like them. I get that children or old people can enjoy something like totoro but why would anyone else? if I want to see a realistic depiction of children I can just watch some footage of children

Do you think castle of cagliostro has those qualities you mention?

what's an interesting Miyazaki message? I know the "war is bad" message, but I didn't find it very interesting

>>151507420
yes, 50 minutes into the film he simply states what he wants to do, although he still has no motive and we still have no reason to care

>>151506923
>Only Yesterday
Ghibli's best film by a long shot, and Miyazaki had nothing to do with that. Don't associate that with his name.

>>151502963
>unintelligible
If you find Miyazaki movies unintelligible I'm shocked you've figured out how to use a computer
Kill yourself

>>151506986
It sounds like your problem is not knowing Lupin III. The film assumes you understand the basic set-up and characters of the series, so I can understand being a little put off if you don't know that much.

>>151507546
>. I get that children or old people can enjoy something like totoro but why would anyone else?
Personally I think that Totoro can be a pretty comfy and heartwarming movie for anyone of any age. Why, do you ask?Well, why don't you tell me the reason you think it's not.

>if I want to see a realistic depiction of children I can just watch some footage of children
Stupid argument, that's like saying that good animation doesn't matter because you can watch a live action film, which will always have more realistic motion/movement.

>Do you think castle of cagliostro has those qualities you mention?
From Up on Poppy Hill and Castle of cagliostro are the only Miyazaki films I didn't watch, So I can't tell.

>what's an interesting Miyazaki message?
Not the message itself but the way that is portrayed, that's what's interesting. As for his messages, it depends on the film. Environmentalism, pacifism and ambiguity are pretty recuring themes in his works but he explores a wide range of topics in his filmography, Spirited Away is about growing up for example(although it also has anti capitalist messages), Whisper of the Heart is about persuing your dreams and so on.

>>151507605
>God-tier
Princess Kaguya, Whisper of the Heart, Only Yesterday Day, Kiki Delivery Service

>Good-tier
Mononoke, Totoro, Grave of Fireflies, Nausicaa, Spirited Away

>Okay-tier
Ponyo, Porco Rosso, Howl's Moving Castle, The Wind Rises

>>151503761
>>151507260
Already a thing.

https://www.fictionpress.com/s/3206139/1/Keit-AI-Tomoyuki-x-Seiko-Keit%E6%84%9B-%E5%A5%89%E6%96%87-x-%E8%81%96%E5%AD%90

http://www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/keit-ai/list?title_no=36825

>>151507546
>although he still has no motive and we still have no reason to care
get to the end of the film

>>151507955
>>151507546
>>151507427
Just to clarify, I do think that Miyazaki is overrated and that he doesn't deserve how people bestowed God status to him when his works aren't even close to the best the industry has to offer, but he also isn't even close to be bad either or worse than Disney.

>>151507623
yeah but

>castle has deadly security that kills you instantly and hundreds of guards
>but not at the exit of "hell" which is some big room where tons of people are thrown down to starve to death

>girl says "this place is horrible" or some shit
>literally never see anything horrible happen to anyone, the place seems fine if you don't walk into a trap which they obviously don't want her to

>henchman aims gun at good guys (cause suddenly they have guns that we never saw before)
>bad guy says "fire"
>henchman fires in a circle around good guys [!]
>nothing happens for a bit ?
>apparently bad guy didn't intend to kill them at all but said "fire" anyway because suspense xD

seriously what is that shit writing, they can literally write anything and make it happen cause they just draw it, for fuck sake

and why make a stand alone film where you have to know the motives of every single character before watching


>>151507955
>why don't you tell me the reason you think it's not
I guess comfy and heartwarmning isn't my thing


>Stupid argument, that's like saying that good animation doesn't matter because you can watch a live action film, which will always have more realistic motion/movement.
well, my argument for anime would be that you can do things that live action can't, or that you can do it very differently at lower cost... like creating a very fantastical and interesting universe for your story... but simply emulating the real world exactly isn't worthwile imo when there are so many good realistic live action films out there, there's just less connection with the characters in anime so what's the point?

some people never watch anime at all cause they can't connect to it

>Whisper of the Heart
maybe I'll watch this then

I keep forgetting whether I've watched Spirited Away or not and what it's about

I think I've seen it twice

>>151508202
and then the story makes sense? too late

>>151507260
I thought Hiro banned phoneposter IPs.

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>>151507260
A million more until Keit-ai becomes the best-selling meme of all time.

>>151508294
are you seriously complaining about needing to get to the end of a story to understand it?
would you prefer if they spoonfed you all the plot details and conclusion in the first five minutes?

>>151506843
Fucking hell, of all Disney films you had to pick their pleb-tier "renaissance-era" crap instead of the studio's real artistic accomplishments from around the 40s like Bambi, Pinocchio, or Fantasia.

>>151509056
you just ignore all my points and shitpost, nice

>>151509237
>Bambi, Pinocchio, or Fantasia
The only, ONLY one of those that are good is Bambi. Maybe.

>>151509323
They're better than Disney's later musical crap at any rate.

>>151509261
i only read the parts where you quoted me, but now that i've gone back and read the rest of your posts it's just you whining about non-issues.
some stemming from your inability to pay attention to the film. some because you refuse to suspend even a modicum of disbelief, despite realizing you're watching a lupin movie

>>151509609
again just shitposting

you can't defend that piece of shit film

>>151509648
you say that i am shitposting, but it is in reality you who are shitposting

>>151502963
>hurr durr that's not how zombies move becuase my crippled friend moves differently

>>151509648
He's right. At best your criticism is just nitpicks about how a anime movie isn't 100% logical or realistic and at worst you're just showing you're incapable of following the movie even with all the exposition in it. It's like one of those shitty "everything wrong with ..." videos or just the average internet "criticism" that boils down to nothing more than trying way too hard to point out why something is illogical instead of focusing on the actual quality of the movie.

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>>151507005
>a movie about ancient Greece
>with a soul chorus to boot
>white washed

>>151509690
>>151509910
>put two rings in the eyes of a goat sculpture on the outside of a giant clock tower and in the actual clock face hanging from the fucking thing 100 metres above ground and the clock starts cause after several hundreds of years of opportunity to examine it nobody has any idea how the clock works except the protagonist cause idk I guess he read the script
>this is a plot point in a story just so the bad guy can die

wow I am trying way too hard, whatever that means. literally every thing that happens in the film is a retarded plot point. There's a variety of things that can happen between 100% logical stuff and 0% logical stuff. this one is like 20% logical, so worse than your average children's film which is about 70% logical.

I could name like 5 things from every scene that don't make sense and you call it nitpicks. I already named like 10 things in this thread and nobody has a single word to address these things specifically, you just make sweeping shitposts. kill yourselves.

>>151510058
>this is a plot point in a story just so the bad guy can die
the fact that you think this says enough, let alone the fact that you somehow thought lupin knew what would happen, or that you somehow have a problem with grand theatrics in an animated movie
this is covered in the sweeping shitposts by the way

>crossboarding parasites and spoonfeeding faggots
>all in the same thread
Now this is what they call neo-/a/, infested and crawling with normalscum.

>>151510361
>another sweeping shitpost
the fact that you keep making the same exact posts without adding anything substantial says enough faggot

nah man lupin didn't know it would do that, he just guessed that maybe you could fucking put rings in the eyes of an unreachable statue outside of a building 100 metres up in the air and then the bad guy just happened to buy his random bullshit cause idk plot demands it and it just /happaned/ to do something

fuck off the entire film is a shitpost

>people hating Miyazaki for having the same opinion on 3DPD as /a/

Hypocrites. The whole lot of you.

>>151507005
>Greeks aren't white

>>151510500
>not paying attention to the scene just five minutes before the count's death where he figures out the riddle
it's almost like i already called you out for being a retarded manchild with a severe attention deficit
fucking neck yourself. this is your last (You)

>>151502963
Watch that edge, son

>>151502963
Miyazaki's primary strength is as an animator, and only secondary as a directory. His writing is pure shit.

Miyazaki is certainly the greatest living animator-- able to animate complex objects and movements in three dimensions at an unbelievably fast rate. This is why he was successful as a director, he would animate himself all of the most important shots, or redraw shots that weren't satisfactory. This elevated his quality above the mere shit nips turn out.

He has a good catalog of stock shots and techniques he likes to return to as a director, but his head is up his own ass with the environmental shit.

His best work is his early tv work, followed by his movies in chronological order. Every movie he did is literally worse than the one before it.

>>151502963
This bait, holy shit.

>>151507260
Is this why he's so flimflammed by the ShinShan?

>>151502963
He won an oscar
And you are just jealous having nothing yet

What's great about him is he can make anime for such a wide audience. Like his stuff or not, he does make some good shit.

>>151502963
just a regular guy who hates his job and everything associated with it

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>>151504242
Exquisite taste, anon.

>>151503514
glasslip.

>>151505018

Miyaki's schtick is capturing aspects from life like a good artist, i.e. people's behaviors, the feeling of a place, etc. and uses that to ground fantasy.

> My Neighbor Totoro
He perfectly captures two little sisters in this movie, along with the part of rural Japan he used as the setting. The forest spirits are adorable, and adults quickly realize that they are distracting the little girls from thinking about their missing mother due to her illness.

> Castle in the Sky
Probably the least memorable of his movies for me. The ending had a nice, wistful take on lost things, but other than the mining town's depiction and two strong men flexing at each other, not much else stands out in my memory.

> Nausicaa
VERY heavy handed message on environmentalism, but there is also a strong message about resilience, both for people and the environment. Lots of fun swashbuckling action and nods towards Moebius's comics, if that's your thing.

> Spirited Away
Beautiful, weird, and distinctly Japanese fairy tale where a whiny little girl loses her parents and has to work her ass off in order to save them.

> Kiki's Delivery Service
Country witch moves to the city and tries to establish herself. Lots of pretty European backgrounds, and some fun takes on the clash of rural vs cosmopolitan culture in here as well.

> Mononoke Hime
My favorite. Standard hero's quest, but does it's best to murky the waters of which side the hero should choose, given its relatively short running time. Very strong main characters with strong motivations. Again, very heavy-handed environmentalism message.

> Ponyo
I'd say skip this unless you have young kids.

> Howl's Moving Castle
I still find it amazing Miyazaki made a story about a girl who's main motivation is she has never been beautiful, and then spends the majority of the movie as an 80-year old grandma, and still had it turn out interesting.

I still need to see the Wind Rises.

>>151502963
Miyazaki is anime god and his films are pinnacle of anime. Only contrarians faggots and assmad otakus would sincerely deny this. Plus "Miyazaki is overrated" is kind of a local meme here. In any case, anything that's liked by majority will eventually be called overrated, especially by 4chan of all places, which is the gathering place of the world's contrarians.

Makoto Shinkai is good, but he's yet to reach Miyazaki. I hope he does. God knows this industry desperately needs fresh, talanted and bright directors to save it from the idolshit and fujoshit blight.

>>151503514
Hunter X Hunter 2011.

>>151513130
This

>>151502963
Howl's is pretty weak.

Mononoke is my favorite, just because so balanced as far as its portrayal of Industrialisation vs Nature. No one is evil, everyone simply has their own motives.

Miyazaki himself is pretty old and grumpy, so I defer to his adopted son Anno on any industry criticism. I think Anno is using Rebuild money to do what he thinks will help the industry, even if Eva's real value is degraded in the process.

This is bait, but Ghibli films are fucking magical.

>>151502963
He makes kids' movies. Older folks love them. I had to watch 4 of his movies throughout elementary / middle school and I live in the US.

He's as overrated as 90s Disney and Pixar are. I prefer Disney / Pixar. But it's fine.

>>151503514
Mai Hime

>>151504203
>says this in a post Frozen world
kILL THY SELF NIG NOG

>>151504761
Space Runaway Ideon sucks ass.

I don't trust a person who does not like Miyazaki's movies. I can't even imagine what kind of jaded fuck you gotta be to have that kind of opinion.

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>>151502963

I can imagine him being a part of some Hostel like torture club, where he would always ask to get him weebs to torture

>>151523538
>mediocre is the same as bad

>>151513130
>Miyazaki is certainly the greatest living animator
Not even top 5 in Japan, let alone the world.

Miyazaki reached success because of his overactive imagination that allowed him to come up with interesting settings, props and ideas. As an animator alone, he wasn't even the best of his generation. Otsuka was more versatile and Kondo was a better actor.

>>151504847
>Ponyo
>magnificent

Spoken like a true fanboy.

>>151527638
It's fucking great. One of the best modern anime films.

i liked /tv/'s version of this thread last night better

>>151504203
>>151504142
>Dindu wars and capeshit
>good

>>151502963
He was one of the first to really get into some high quality animation and stories that weren't just about nippon. It spread since most the stuff could be enjoyed anywhere with not much understanding of japanese culture but just human beings.

Aside from that there hasn't been too much done for his work, I think he did well to make a name for himself but the way he acts now I don't really find him relevant.

>>151528012
Like I said, spoken like a true fanboy.

>>151528630
If you say so.

Has he brought anything new to animation? All he has is story.

>>151530432
I'm sure he has, but I guess it depends on what on how limiting your view of "something new" is.

>>151530432

He was on the forefront of using CGI for certain tasks, which faced one hell of a whiplash in Japan. Disney pushed it first the chandelier in Beauty and the Beast, but Spirited Away's flower scene was the first I recall seeing out of Japan.

>>151502963
>Shitting on Lupin III

Shit opinion disregarded.

>>151531030
Mononoke and Yamadas already used CGI before that, Yamadas very succesfully I might add

>>151531177

Do you remember which parts? I especially don't remember yhe Yamamadas. Was it in the 180 degree tone shift scene with the dad and the bikers?

>>151531380
Yamadas used it all over the place for props and minor enhancements just like Kaguya, the most noticeable instance is the wedding cake scene