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Merry Christmas, Cocona!
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>>151344570
Merry Christmas, Cocona.
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Merry Christmas!
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>>151345304
If you look at it right that looks like a goat.
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>>151345304
Subarashii
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>>151345368
>forgot the picture

You're an embarassment
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>>151345368
COCONA!
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>>151345008
Woah there, mother fucker
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>>151345368
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>Yayakass
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>>151345719
When memes become real.
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>>151345738
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>>151345719
/r/ing the song DMX wrote for Cocona
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The Where da hood at or X gon' give it to ya one?
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Will Papika win da Coconabowl?
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>>151345719
You need to point that gun at the picture of the guy pointing a gun at a picture of Cocona having a gun pointed at her and take a photo.
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>>151345807
Paps gon give it to ya

I wasn't aware there was Where Da Hood At version as well though, now I'm curious
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>>151345807
fuck, meant for >>151345781
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Continuing the census around the clock:
http://www.strawpoll.me/11945170
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>>151345758
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The present is:

YAYAKA!
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>>151345856
Come on Cocona Yuyu's practically your little sister!
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>>151345870
Hayai.
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>>151345844
but where do i vote if i'm not in the thread?
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>>151345844
This just made me remember when sip threads were still a thing.
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>>151345827
from desuarchieve

Arf arf
Yeah, yeah, yeah (Grrrr)
Uh, Yeah don't get it twisted
This Cocona, is mine
Motherfucker, it's not, a fucking, game
Fuck what you flip
It's what you flappin
It's what you flappin (Listen)
It's what you flappin (Listen)
It's what you flappin (Listen)

Papi gon give it to ya
Fuck wait for you to get shards on your own
Papi gon deliver to ya
Knock knock, open up the pipe, it's real
Wit the non-stop flip-flap of stainless steel
Go hard gettin busy wit PI
But I got such a good heart
I'll make a Cocona wonder if she gay
Damn right and I'll do it again
Cuz I'm best girl so I gots to win
Break snacks wit the enemy
But no matter how many cats I break snacks wit
I'll break who KKK sendin me
You motherfucker never wanted nothin
But my waifu said, that's for this Thursday
I'm gettin down, down
Make it say AMAI
Still will be the one endin up on Coco's knees (Whoo)
Please, If the only thing you yayacats did is come out to play
Get out my way


First we gonna FLIP, Then we gonna FLAP
Then we let it POP, GO LET IT HENSHIN
Papi gon give it to ya
She gon give it to ya
Papi gon give it to ya
She gon give it to ya
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>>151345875
There's nothing wrong with a little incest.
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I already know I'm gonna wake up tomorrow and there won't be a Papika waiting for me.
Why even bother with Christmas?
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>>151345914
Be the Papika you want to see for your family!
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>>151345925
There are many problems with that suggestion.
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>>151345906
That reminds me, whoever is updating the fucking TVtropes page for Flip Flappers is seriously of the opinion that Mimi wants to plow her daughter. It's kind of amazing
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>>151345902
Thanks anon
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>>151345978
Autism, on TVtropes? Shocking.
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>"Oh god I must look like an chuuni idiot"
>"Heheh, this is actually kind of fun!"
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>>151345925
>Be the Papika you want to see
I'd better not.
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>>151346020
I still can't unsee the dose in her hair and I'm not even from /v/
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Nyu kills Papika in the after credits scene and we get "to be continued next season"
How mad would you be?
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Papika is my favourite!
I love her smile!
I love how she takes me on adventures!
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>>151346074
>to be continued next season
Why would I be mad?
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>>151345990
Here, have the other one from the txt file I wrote it in a few weeks ago

Man, cats don't know what it's gonna be
Fuckin with a nigga like me, P-to-the-P-to-the-K
Last I heard, y'all niggaz was havin sex, with the SAME sex
I show much love, to Cocona thugs
Empty out, HENSHIN and throw more slugs
How you gonna explain fuckin a man?
Even if we got some beef, damn right I'm holdin' ya hand
I don't buck with chumps, for those ain't been to PI
That's the cat with the bandages on her arms and eye
I only fuck with niggaz that is kawaii broads
Only know how to be ONE WAY, that's the PUP
I ain't know how to read, know how to HENSHIN
Remember very little, but I know HOW TO GATTAI
I know how to chase a Yayaka up in a tree
MAN, I GIVE Y'ALL NIGGAZ THE B'INESS FOR FUCKIN WIT ME, IS YOU MIMI?!?
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>>151344570
I feel really bad for having both romantic and impure feelings about Cocona
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>>151346127
>Even if we got some beef, damn right I'm holdin' ya hand
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>>151346166
You shouldn't feel bad for something that is only natural.
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>>151346110
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>>151346128
>a rock hurts Toto
>angrily brandishes GAU-8

Did she think someone threw that rock?
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Mimi did nothing wrong
Papikana is a creepy pedo
I want to FUCK Nyunyu
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I'm still surprised nobody has gif'd the end of the ED, where Papi and Coco hold hands and do a backflip
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>>151346214
She's aiming at the snow whale because it broke down the wall causing Toto to get hurt.
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>>151346166
It's because she's for pure romantic middle school love which we missed
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>>151346238
Definitely has been done.
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>>151346275
Ep5 warned you that wasn't hapenning.
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>>151346187
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Shorty yeah I rep PPK
Monday to Sunday I'm like PPK
Cocona, Yuyu, Toto, Nyunyu
Yayaka yeah that's PPK
Add me to the list that's PPK
Can´t forget Bu that's PPK
I've seen a lot of gyals doing this ting
But none of them flex like PPK
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>>151346419
alright, who's got the picture of PPK with the tear drop tat
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http://www.strawpoll.me/11944672/
http://www.strawpoll.me/11944672/

Final poll to decide the time of the 1-12 episode stream.
Reposting from yesterday.
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I want to lewd all the Flip Flappers.
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>>151346238
>Flip Flappers is Hansel and Gretel in a mahou shoujo setting
>Siblings
Delicious.
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Is Papika a savant?
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>>151345304
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>>151346655
noice
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>>151346655
Beautiful.
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>>151346655
Good job anon. What are you hoping for for Christmas, flappers?
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>>151346714
a Hakko FX-951
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>>151346510
Just rewatch episode 8 then.

>>151346655
Nice, you even had the numbers to go with it.
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>>151346714
A Cocona.
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>>151346714
Papika. don't care cake or not.
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>>151346655
Praise Mimi-sama.

>>151346714
Having a dream where I'm Yayaka-chan's waifu and she ravishes me.
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>>151346073

The what in her hair?
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>>151346714
Mimi to step on me.
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>>151344570
AOTY, basically only interesting anime of this year, Lupin and KonoSuba were also pretty good, everything else 7 and below
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>>151346073
thanks doc
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Is Yayaka your GOTS?
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>>151346714
A decent episode 13 in a few days.
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>>151346788
By far.
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>>151346714
I want a Cocona
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>>151346655
Someone tweet this to the director or #flipflappers and wish them a merry christmas.
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>>151346788
Cockona is.
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>>151346780
Easy AOTY, but watch people sit and argue about it because it wasn't kyoanus' latest turd.
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>>151346645
Nah, thats a book full of pictures of weird bugs
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>>151346788
She sure is the girl I thought about the most this season. I want Yayaka to make me her woman.
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>>151346772
Piccolo dick
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>>151346788
Tch-dere of the century.

also >>151346714
As i said last thread, i want a pic of Yayaka snuggling a Cocona daki.
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>>151346828
Because of the vaguely similar color scheme?
You have some vivid imagination.
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>>151346818
SICP is a kind of book like Necronomicon. She's a genius.
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>>151346714
Toto + Yuyu set.
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>>151346788
Not even close.

>>151346753
>>151346805
Get in line.
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>>151346788
She's my LOTS
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>>151346655
SUBARASHIIIIII
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>>151346655
Oh Asclepius-baum, oh Asclepius-baum, how lovely are your clovers
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>>151346891
There is only 1 Cocona. Should we share?
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>>151346931
No, Cocona is only for me.
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>people unironically think there will be kissu next episode
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What did you think of the full ED anon?

I personally loved it.
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>>151347010
>he thinks anyone actually thinks that

>>151347016
The ending drags on for too long. Just end it when they stop singing.
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>>151347033
>The ending drags on for too long. Just end it when they stop singing.
That's like, your opinion man.

The included song is kinda lame. I was hoping it was a cute girl remake of IZ's version.
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>>151346848
>Papika giving Yayaka a Cocona daki for christmas
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>>151347016
I love how the instrumentals gets much more intense during the outro, EDOTY for sure.
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>>151346714
Season 2 announcement.
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I can't be the only one who wants to see Yayaka dancing around a stripper pole.
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>>151347082
>Yuyu's Christmas present.
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>>151347054
>The included song is kinda lame.
Fite me. We're gonna be Flip Flappin' over the rainbow next episode.
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>>151347058
>Implying all three won't be snuggled in bed with Cocona in the middle.
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>>151347079
There's Christmas miracles and then there's this
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>>151346655
fukken saved
Bless you anon, you already made my Christmas for me
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>>151347082
>Merry Christmas, Yayaka. Why don't you give it a try?
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>>151347099
I guess with the name I was expecting more. It is not a bad song but it is quite generic. If it gets included, it will be a montage.
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>>151347010
The only people thinking that are the more retarded people from /u/ thinking it isn't gay enough already, it just doesn't seem the kind of show that has to go that far.
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>>151347163
It doesn't, I just want to beat YoI fans on what show had the most balls when it came time to get gay.
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>One for rough assdicking
>One for blowjob
>And one for making a football team worth of adorable babies with

Make your choice.
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>>151347142
It's just that people, including myself, love it for being an upbeat and heartwarming tune sung by the VAs of the two leads.
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>>151347292
Definitely puppyca for the first.
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>>151347106
Well yeah, of course Papika would want to "christen" the daki while Cocona watches but she can still hand it over to the cat afterwards.
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>>151347292
>rough assdicking
Papika
>blowjob
Papika
>making a football team worth of adorable babies with
Papika
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>>151347292
>rough assdicking
Papicake
>blowjob
Papicake
>making a football team worth of adorable babies with
Mimi
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>>151347292
What about fluffing?
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>>151347292
>One for rough assdicking
Papika
>One for blowjob
Cocona
>And one for making a football team worth of adorable babies with
Yayaka
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>>151347601
>Mimi's children
>football
No, they must live inside padded spheres. The only sport allowed is lawn bowls.
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Are they going to make Flip Flap figures?
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I want to stay in this hotel and pretend I'm sleeping with Cocona.
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>>151347689
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>>151346655
Add this to the card collage
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>>151347673

God I hope for a Yayaka in her battle suit.
A Yuyu would be fine too.
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>>151347673
So far it's just one big transformed Papika figure.
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>>151346655
Thank you Mimi.
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>>151347743
Still unreleased, though
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>>151347689
Looks comfy.
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Why are there so many days left?
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>>151347743
>>151347764
Any pictures floating around?
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>>151347787
The quantum nature of time
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>>151347706
Translation?
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>>151347816
I think it's something about the items Cocona and Papika used to transform after the solitary island episode.
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>>151347871
If I understand correctly Cocona is amazed at Yayaka's henshin, so she asks what item she used. Yayaka is puzzled, then they show her their items, the stick and the stones which reminds her of what she yelled as her most important thing.
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What if you were banging a Flip Flapper and they henshined?
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>>151347706
>tfw you realize that Papika's stick might have been a toy young Cocona and de-aged Papikana were playing with while being Mimi's prisoners
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>>151347811
Only that photo of gun model from Twitter
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>Cockona
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>>151347706
>>151347816
>Yayaka, that's awesome. You transformed without an item, right?
>S-So!
>[outside the box] That because my mindset is different!
>....Item?

>I was using this stick at first.
>Mine is this! My treasured item

>Eh
>Then "think of the thing you treasure most" meant...!?
>Uwaaaaaaaaaaa
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>>151348086
>Papicunt
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>>151348354
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>>151348354
Its "papicunny", anon-chan
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>>151347912
Any of your fingers inside her would instantly be crushed to a pulp by her increased strength and toughness.
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All I want for christmas is chuuni o-chan
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Still can't stop watching this
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>>151348758
oh and maybe cocona's fat rump
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>>151348762
The fact that she just so casually throws the Flip Flapping! out there is what sells the scene to me.
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>>151347710
>>151347689
I want to believe when I look under the tree tomorrow that I see them under it.
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>>151348158
Thanks pal.
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>>151347689
Holy shit, some one really came to that Sakaiya Hotel
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>>151348816
*Flippu Flappinku
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Cocona is too sexy
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>What are they saying about us, Cocona?
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>>151347917
That makes so much sens and makes me so sad at the same time
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>>151348905
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>>151348932
Cockona has a fat ass.
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Why did they have to make the middle schoolers so sexual?
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>>151348959

Don't tempt me with bare stomachs, I must stay faithful to my waifu.
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>>151348932
>I will tell you if you stop staring at my thighs, Papika
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>>151348991
They wanted more sales.
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>>151348991
in the name of art.

But more seriously, because they wanted to. This is Oshiyama's debut, and I dont think he is directly targeting sales. I think he and his team just want to make the anime they always wanted to make and are making it in a way that echos the anime they love.
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>>151348991
Because they can.
Btw imo they are more cute and sweet, than sexual
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>>151348680
No.
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>>151349138
>>151349036
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>>151348905
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>>151349138
Some shots are far beyond cute and sweet.
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>>151349092
This. I think the team just legitimately likes Loli butt and armpit, so they made sure to make the anime stuffed with it.

This is a show clearly filled with love and passion.
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>>151349202
That was just Buus dirty mind, which soiled this episode.
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>>151349202
Needs the Brazzers logo.
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>>151348991
Are you implying that's difficult?
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These make a lot more sense now.
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>>151349248
The fuck is Brazzers?
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>>151349349
what sense?
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>>151349349
They already did when it was a reference to that picture book, but now it makes doublesense.
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>>151349202
Stop sexualizing Cocona
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>>151349493
Make me.
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>>151347010
Mimi will kiss salt
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>>151347706
>>151347816
my autism compelled me to translate/typeset this because yayaka is cute as fuck, so here you go
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>>151349493
She's the one responsible for wearing a skimpy outfit while driving a giant robot.
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>>151347737
Link me to the thread.
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>>151349669
great work
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>>151349669
You missed a bit in the bottom right next to Papika.
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>>151349728
>mufu
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>>151349669
You spent way too much time on this, didn't you?
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>>151349758
Just look at that typeset distortion effect
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>>151349758
about an hour or so tops, yeah
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>>151349758
You can't spend too much time on cute Yayaka.
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>>151349669
World needs more autists desu~.
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>>151349797
While she may not get the Cocona in the end mark my words, everyone will be falling over themselves for this cat by the time the final credits roll.
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>>151349852
Everyone already is, though. I've been here from the beginning, and just seeing everyone start to love Yayaka when you loved her from the start was amazing.
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I just spent a while trying to make a Flip Flap version of Winter Wonderland but it's hard to come up with verses.
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>>151349852
I'm reeling from the shock that she completely won me over. When she was first introduced I thought she'd be obnoxious as hell. And here she is, completely assassinated my CoconaxPapika shipping. What a formidable girl.
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>>151349922
I know, right? Now I'm secretly shipping YayakaxPapika.
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>>151349708
You're supposed to send it to the cardfag, but I'm not sure he's still alive. Or maybe he has a life and is preparing xmas.
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>>151349957
That boat won't sail very far.
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>>151350010
In a perfect world we might get a threesome end where they all come to love each other, too.
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>>151350010
At least she'll get a consolation loli.
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>>151350089
Yuyu is better
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>>151350089
Nyunyu belongs to Buu though.
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>>151350089
What a pointless character.
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>>151350150
My dick just called to say you are wrong.
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Merry Christmas, faggots.
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>>151350089
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>>151346655
Put a star on top of it anon, please.
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>>151350280
I didn't ask for anything this Christmas, didn't think I'd get a present like this. Awesome.
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>>151350089
>worst girl
>consolation
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>>151349883
>Everyone
Yeah not quite. Se I actually like the protags that were build up over the first 8 eps. So having this chuuni suck up all the screentime during the final arc is just bloody annoying.

Some autist counted up the screentime everyone got in ep 12 and Yayaka was given as much time as both of the protagonists, never mind that her main arc was three fucking episodes ago and the leads are desperately in need of furthur development in light of recent plot reveals. Give the cat a fucking rest.

Which is why I say that Yayaka ruined flipflappers.

The only good things about Yayaka is seeing her get constantly NTR-d and knowing that all her fans must be NTR fetishists in denial.
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>>151350333
Well, she gets Yuyu and Toto as well, so she'll be fine
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>>151349349
>>151349486
What are they? Mimi's eyes?
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>>151350333
I'm deeply dissappointed in every person that voted for Yuyu. You are not my niggas, none of you.
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>>151350339
Oh, I actually thought of you when I was making my post. Didn't think you'd actually be still alive.
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>>151350339
>both of the protagonists combined
fixed
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>>151350355
Yes. Also this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cxOR_1G0Lg
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>>151350493
I already knew about this one. That was a really good finding by anon.
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>>151350539
good one, son
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>>151350539

10/10, made me laugh
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>>151346714
An end to the constant pain and screaming.
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>>151346714
Financial aid.
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>>151350375
But the most alarming is that 8 trolls voted for Cocona.
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>>151350324
>star
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>>151346655
>>151352093
Nice.
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>>151350339
Not unless you count both Mimis as a natural extension of Cocona. They aren't separate entities but rather shared experiences and viewpoints.
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>>151352093
素晴しい
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>>151352840
Cuck of the season.
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>Every 6 months or so there's that one anime my corner of 4chan randomly decides they like that nobody else cares for or even remembers
>"This season let's all say Flip Flappers is the best anime ever
>Wait...which one was that...
>"The one with brain dead female Peter Pan"
Savage desu
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>>151352840
I never think a character being cucked would be this fun.
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>>151352903
>>151352995
But Papika loves Mimi.
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>>151352840
>Spend more time with your loved one than her mother and her pseudo older sister combined
>Still fail to get the girl
Poor Yayaka.
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>>151352093
>star
Yeah sorry, my sides it's perfect, thanks anon.
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Fill me in on Flip Flappers. Does it get good? I dropped it after episode 2. Papika got annoying with her dialogue only saying "Cocona"
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>>151353148
You should have waited for ep3 before dropping it.
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>>151353148
>her dialogue only saying "Cocona"
That is the best part of FF tho.
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>>151353148
Depends what you are looking for if you think it got good or not. It has an interesting plot which is foreshadowed through out the series with lots of little clues to be picking up on, some nice character relationships and developments, great animation, fantastic backgrounds, just the right amount of fanservice for the main girls and an enduring endearing charm, some really great BGM too.

In my opinion it is easily the most ambitious TV anime to be made this year and probably my AOTY even if it flawed in some ways. You can tell the huge amount of creativity, sincerity, passion and ambition that went into making the series.

It really is a breath of fresh air in the anime landscape and I don't think I can truly say I have seen any other show that is quite like it despite the fact it pays frequent homages or makes parody of things from all sorts of different media. Better to be ambitious and not quite perfect than mediocre and safe any day.
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>>151349669
cute! yayaka is cute!
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I am looking forward to YYK threads in a years time where we talk about how great she is.
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たのもう!
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I don't want it to end
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>>151354154
I want it to end, I can't fucking concentrate on anything, my thoughts end up back at this show. Just release me already.
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>>151354238
The only release held for you is the sweet release of death.
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>>151354041
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>>151354348
>that guy on the left
het confirmed
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>>151354238
>>151354320
She's waiting for you.
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>>151354415
It's not an all-girls school.
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>>151352840
It gets even better if you add that one frame at the end.
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>>151346780
>only interesting anime of this year
Absolutely not true, but FliFla is definitely up there as one the year's best.
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>>151352840
>>151354593
oops forgot pic.
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>>151354633
tfw YYK's literally cucked.
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>>151353148
>he dropped it before ep3
What a faggot.
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I just realized that almost all of these twitter-named files I downloaded are Flip Flappers art.
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>>151354920
It feels bad that there'll never be enough fanart of this show.
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>>151354920
Did you start using twitter because of Flip Flappers?
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>>151353148
>Does it get good?
Yes, a lot better in fact
Don't bother to continue after ep8 though
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>>151352093
>>151346655
Dear based Santa Claus. Send me Papika for a Christmas Present, and make me into Cocona so I can yuri-love with her.
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>>151355114
That writer change got you bad huh?
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>>151355114
>Don't bother to continue after ep8 though
then why are you still here? just to suffer?
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>>151355091
I've had one for years. I ought to start using it again to follow stuff like this.
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>>151355307
>ywn invade yyk's mother base and steal her nukes
K I L L M E
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>>151355343
upon first look i thought you start using drug again to follow flfl
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I tried making Yayaka's toast using this recipe: https://creamboxbu.wordpress.com/2014/12/01/〜2
I used the revised version of the recipe, the one without butter. It's pretty good! Now I know why Yayaka likes it so much.

Pic is from google because I forgot to take pic before I ate mine.
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>>151355477
fatty
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>>151355477
Thanks for the recipe, anon. Glad to hear it was nice. Guess I'll use this to try to make one soon.
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>>151355511 was for you >>151355477
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Reposting it here.
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>>151355574
Someone save Uexkull for fuck's sake!
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>>151355477
>mayonnaise on untoasted texas toast
why
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>>151355574
Cute.
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>>151355477
Looks yummy. Had I a oven toaster, I would try.
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>>151355477
Same kind of bread? That seems like the most important part.
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>>151355679
Bread and semen
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>>151355679
That recipe used plain white bread so I used that too.
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Who's there?
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I want Cocona's hot dripping cunt wrapped around my engorged member
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>>151356010
No
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>>151356010
Calm down Papika.
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>>151355801
I've heard Japanese bread is pretty sweet itself, but I've never tried any.
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What is the best crack ship in the show?

Yuya?
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>>151356254
Sayuri x Toto
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>>151356254
SayurixYayako.

If he wasn't longing for the Salt Shaker I would be perfectly fine with her as the consolation prize, Nyunyu a shit.
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>>151356269
Will Toto ever be allowed to be the man in a relationship?
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>>151356254
Papika x Yayaka
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>>151356319
Toto is to be pegged by Yuyu
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>>151356254
Senpai x Sayuri
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>>151356194
Don't think too much about it, just use whatever plain bread available to you.
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>>151356254
I agree with this anon: >>151356335 But Sayuri x Yayaka is also good.
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>>151356254
Bu-chan/Uexkull
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>>151356010
You're far too lewd with Cocona. She's a frail, innocent girl you know.
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>>151356254
Dr. Salt x Hidaka.
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>>151356254
SaltxM.U.S.C.L.E.
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>>151356254
MimixMimi
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>>151356426
>>151356407
Bu-chan belongs with NyuNyu. One says Nyu the other says Pyu.
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>>151356417
That innocence and childlike wonder is exactly the thing I want to taint and indelibly mar with the musky stench of male sexuality
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>>151356417
Cocona is a sex starved beast who'll stop at nothing to get what she wants
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>>151356461
Thanks for ruining my appetite, asshole
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>>151356254
School nurse x Yayaka
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>>151356461
I want to turn Cocona into a man!
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>>151356461
>>151356475
Stop.
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>>151356542
and fuck you in the ass?
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What is meant by this expression?
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I love how quickly we go from shitty all over the latest episode to shit like this >>151356461
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>>151356709
The shitposters you see every week spamming low effort negative comments and ruining the threads who come along on a Thursday usually get bored and leave by now leaving /a/ to be /a/.
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>>151356772
That reminds me did the census actually get finished?
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>>151356010
>>151356461
>>151356475

Mimi was right. Protect Cocona from these heathens.
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>>151356831
http://www.strawpoll.me/11945170/r
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>>151356831
It was reposted at the beginning of this thread.
Does it ever end?
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>>151356858
I'm pretty sure Papika is the one who needs protected here >>151356475
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>>151356709
It wasn't that bad that you'd have to sulk over it for a week. I rewatched it four times now and didn't get bored. That's more than I could ask of any other other anime this year.
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>>151356880
>5 votes for it's shit
wew
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>>151356620
What? No way, that's gay. Buttstuff is gross, too.
I just want to play Smash Bros. with him.
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>>151356914
It was kind of telling what the guy said before about the low number of votes for certain categories. Considering how easy it is to fix a strawpoll if you care enough there really can't be that many people who hate this show so much as is made out.
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>>151356858
I bet Mimi sexualizes Cocona.
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>>151356858
It is too late mother, I have seen EVERYTHING
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>>151356996
maybe all the shitposting is a huge ruse
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>>151357055
Mimi can find a way to make her forget.
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>>151357112
Why would you try to lobotomize someone who's already retarded?
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>>151357141
>all that was on Papika's mind was Cocona
>Mimi took that away
>Papika's mind is now blank
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>>151357141
Papika is not wetawded
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>>151357108
Not a ruse, just a small group of individuals that hate seeing people enjoy things they don't so have to try to ruin it for others and trying to sway and influence peoples opinions who enjoy the show by making it look like a significant number of people really hate it. If there are tons of posts saying something is shit, you are far less likely to be the one to praise it massively at the very least you might at least try to moderate your enthusiasm back a bit and if you were on the fence to begin with you are much more likely then to move opinion towards shit.
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>>151357178
I love papika to death, but lets be honest, her mind was always blank
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>>151357178
>Literally a drooling retard
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Thanks Doctor Yayaka
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>>151357216
>everyone with opinions I disagree with are a small group of malcontents enacting a psyop on a /a/ to prove once and for all that this 4 hours worth of foreign animated material is bad
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>>151349427
some brass manufacturer
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>>151357299
I find it lovely for her to think nothing but Cocona.
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>>151357425
That isn't what I said at all, if you read back I was referring to low effort shitposting. I'm sure there are plenty of people with genuine misgivings about the show and not denying that at all.
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>>151357481
That is what love must feel like, single minded laser focus on the object of your affection. It must be nice
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Dear Santa:

All I want for Christmas is for Papika and Cocona to be together forever, and happy.
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>>151357425
>>151357502
>>151357216

http://www.strawpoll.me/11945170/r

After several threads, the results never eclipsed the number of unique posters in the thread.

Despite the fact that shit posters could have easily rigged the strawpoll to have a ton of negative votes by using VPN or otherwise changing/masking their IP, only 5 votes for the showing being shit were counted. The vast majority love love LOVE the show, and the next biggest chunk of people think the show is good. Even when you combine people who think it is shit with people who merely think it is ok, it doesnt even match the minority that think it is merely good, and even that pales in comparison to the 100+ people who love love LOVE the show.
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>>151357299
>I can't wait to talk to Cocona.
>What should I put in my rice ball today?
>I really love Cocona.
>That's a pretty seashell.
>Cocona smells so nice.
>Can I eat this? Yes.
>Adventuring with Cocona.
>Mimi?
>Cocona! Cocona!
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Merry Flapmas everyone.
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>>151357918
God bless Futanon
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>>151357918
Cute.
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>>151357918
Cute
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>>151357918
cute
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>>151357918
Awesome, another cute one for the FliFla folder

Thanks!
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>>151357918
Cute!
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>>151357918
Saved. Based Futanon
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>>151357918
cute.
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>>151357425
I voted for love love LOVE option and I've barely done anything in these threads but pointing out perceived flaws since the last episode aired.

I've done it mostly to foster discussion and to maybe be proven wrong. I have a lot more praise to give than flaws to point, but I'm less inclined to speak up about how much I loved something. I only care about the issues I have with the show enough to post about them exactly because I love the show. I'm sure others here are the same.

With that said, there's a very clear difference between straight up shitposting with one liners or saying the show has gone to shit or your post and the kind of mostly constructive criticism we managed to have going at points yesterday. And that poll proves the kind of people who would be doing the former are few in number so there is clearly a lot of samefagging shitposters.

>>151357918
超可愛い
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>>151357918
Merry Christmas Futanon.
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>if you think anything negative about the show then you're a shitposter
>here's a totally-trustworthy strawpoll that confirms it!
Hot damn, not even Vivid Strike fags are this desperate and pathetic. And their show is ACTUALLY bad, to boot.
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>>151358050
Its nice to see so much love and care for the show. Merry Christmas anon.
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>>151358333
Who are you quoting
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>>151357918
STOP BULLYING YAYAKA
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>>151358367
It's funny that all he can do is misconstrue what people say.
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>>151358367
himself for 2 months
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>>151358379
I want my own Yayaka familiar.
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What was the name of Yayaka's henshin form?
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>>151358333
Once upon a time people used to put effort into shitposting. It was an art. You can't even make an effort to put a persons post number into your troll.

Take some pride in your work son
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>>151358450
Didn't say, but japs are calling her Pure Delinquent.
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>>151358450
She's not creative enough to come up with one.
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>>151358345
Thank you. Merry Christmas to you too, anon.
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>>151358450
Pure Friend
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>>151357918
Merry Christmas, thanks for all the cute and lewd fanart.
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So for real why does Yayaka spend all her time in the nurse's office?
Odds of the nurse being an Asclepius agent?
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>>151358641
Especially this one. Muh heart boner.
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>>151358050
Yeah a lot of those one liners could be made without even watching the show and just reading the threads.
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>>151358450
Pure Bestgirl
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All entertainments should be transient, so people can back into daily life. In that sense, Flip Flappers is a fiasco. It holds me tightly and don't even let go of me. I can't imagine a thurday without Flip Flappers. I love the show and I will love it after it's over.
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Shitposters on toilet break. Quick, post what's the one thing you love love LOVE above all else in Flip Flappers!
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>>151358816
Is Cocona sniffing Papika's hair?

>>151358836
Papika
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>>151358836
Papika!
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>>151358816
Lets break a loop of misery and go adventuring together, anon
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>post Papika
Can do anon.
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>>151358836
Papika
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>>151358836
The landscapes, both in and out of PI
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>>151358367
No one specifically. You need to stop kidding yourself if you don't think that hasn't been the general mentality in the last few threads, though.

Or maybe I'm wrong and it's just the strawpoll anon pushing that idea. Who knows?

>>151358455
No arguments, huh. Yeah, you're all just like Vivid Strike fags just somewhat worse.
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>>151357918
Merikuri!
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>>151358816
>. It holds me tightly and don't even let go of me. I can't imagine a thurday without Flip Flappers. I love the show and I will love it after it's over.

That is the difference between cheap entertainment and art. Good art will get stuck in your head and you will keep thinking about it long after the experience is over.

Now I am not saying FliFla is the next Picasso but it is a cut above most crap
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>>151358953
You're misrepresenting what people are saying. No one claimed that only shitposters have anything negative to say about the show. Just above your post there was a discussion of exactly that.
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>>151358912
I would like to do so.
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>>151355477

This blog actually noted Flip Flappers for its usage of creambox:

https://creamboxbu.wordpress.com/2016/11/24/flifla/

Japanese wikipedia article on creambox also mentions Flip Flappers.
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>>151358816
Flip Flappers is not entertainment.
It's art.
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>>151358816
I wish I could go back to the adventuring times. Just patiently waiting for the next whimsical world. None of this tension and worry whether they can deliver or not.
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FlipFlappers is art, ART!
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>>151355477
>eating Cum on toast
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>>151358836
Tie between Papika and PI
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>>151359008
I did read those discussions but that doesn't seem to change anything as far as I can see. You say ANYTHING bad about the show? "Whoops, shitposter alert!" Each and every single time. Then the alledged shitposter mentions how they can't say anything bad about the show, and the other people go "b-but you c-could stop being such a shitposter about i-it". Ironically, the time at which the threads are at its worst, airing day, were the ones where you could express your misgivings with the show freely.

And it just hit me; this all really is a circlejerk.
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>>151359160
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>>151359185
>yayaka: foul mouthed delinquent
>papila: literal cradle robber
Mimi was right to keep Cocona away.
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>>151359192
delete this
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>>151359212
>You say ANYTHING bad about the show? "Whoops, shitposter alert!" Each and every single time
But that's wrong. You even proved yourself wrong in your own post.
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>>151359262
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>>151359289
It looks like Papika needs to learn some trigger discipline. Shame on you.
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>>151358836
I like the Cocona.
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>>151359329
Papika does not give fuck
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>>151358836
Everything. This anime was made for me.
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>>151359382
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>>151359212
As someone who criticized the recent episode and watched it get thoroughly torn apart for two days straight, I can say that you're full of shit. It's not a perfect show by any means and most people acknowledge that. There have been good back and forth discussions since Thursday about what was wrong and what was good about episode 12. The shitposters people generally refer to are ones who don't attempt to bring any points to the table other than calling others "degenerates" all day long and their posts coming off as hyperbolic bait.
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>>151359302
I'm not going to go digging for posts for something that's self-evident if you've been here more than a couple of days. Not like it matters if I did anyway, your circlejerk mentality is just going to rationalize or outright dismiss any proof that I can show.

You know what, you can have your cake. Enjoy your circlejerk for a show that shit the bed like it was paid to do so. I wish to wish you good luck in getting standards some day, but the VS fiasco already showed me people are adamantly against having them so whatevs.
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>>151358836
Eroticism.
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>>151359424
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>>151357918

Cute!
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>>151358836
Papika's crooked hair.
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>>151358836
the implications
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>>151359481
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>>151359466
I don't know why someone who could tolerate VS or even it's threads is lecturing a stranger about standards but that's irrelevant.

>your circlejerk mentality is just going to rationalize or outright dismiss any proof that I can show.
sounds like you just want to avoid making any effort whatsoever with your posts and that's exactly what the problem is in the first place: unspecific low effort posts bashing the show(when there are legitimate points to be made) and then yelling "circlejerk!" when people get fed up with your shit.
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Where's the hair hook?
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>>151359466
>I-I'm definitely right and this is a circlejerk because I keep saying so!
>I'm not going to do anything to prove my point though

Sounds like you can't even stand behind your argument. Way to really make your case there.
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>>151359707
>she started doing it to copy Papika
too cute
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>>151359750
How does one even cultivate a hair hook
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I still don't know why Flip Flappers isn't popular with Japanese audiences.
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>>151359774
yuri powers?
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>>151359787
They are busy watching the latest kyoani project, with all its filters and glossy finish. Or they are watching gay ice skating. Its all about marketing, and FliFla had zero
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>>151359787
Is not popular with any audience whatsoever.
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>>151359694
>>151359748
>say I'm going to leave you alone
>people start piling on me harder
I really can't understand you people.

>sounds like you just want to avoid making any effort whatsoever
>I'm not going to do anything to prove my point though
Hello, how long have you been here? I've been here since episode 2.

>>151359787
It really is strange. Shit shows tend to be really popular over there. Maybe it became shit way too late? Most other shows do it right from the word go or during their first half.
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>>151359787
For what it's worth they seemed to like the recent episodes more than we did.
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>>151359787
If you do not market your product it will only have limited exposure. It had basically no marketing in the west and by all accounts had very little in Japan.

It is not surprising it is so over looked.
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>>151359787
>Non-standard mahou shoujo-esque show when the market is saturated to all hell and back
>Non-existent marketing
>Director's first project
>No real big names or studio (MAO is probably the most enticing thing for otaku)
>People in general have shit taste
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>>151358836
a three way tie between Papika, the use of color/old school artstyle, and the fact that the show is not afraid to use subtext, but also doesn't rely on subtext for absolutely everything.
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>>151359924
>Shit shows tend to be really popular over there

Anime is big business in Japan, Its mass entertainment. The masses always have shit taste just like America. Think about all the TV they make every season. Everyone in the US follows the shit when there is maybe one or two good shows a season.

Its the same thing
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>>151359924
>>say I'm going to leave you alone
And yet you post again anyway. Gotta have the last word, right?
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>>151359960
>when the market is saturated to all hell and back
no it's not
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Can we all agree that Japanese people don't know what "love" means?
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>>151359659
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>>151360084
But you know, It's a japanimation.
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>>151359987
So what you're saying is that Flip Flappers would have been popular if it was shit from the start? I guess you're not wrong.

>>151359991
You're the one that keeps replying to me. What, did the circlejerk ran out of space?
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>>151359787
Few stations airing it outside of Tokyo, no collaboration marketing event, no nothing. Some only watched it because of Rolling Girls. FlipFlap have very little presence. Even Vivid Strike that have abysmal marketing push have more presence.
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>>151360084
What type of love are you talking about? Its a complex emotion. Regardless they have covered nearly all types of love in this series and they have done an excellent job.

Episode 7 really hammers it home the love that Cocona feels for Papika is complete, It goes beyond just a single type, She loves Papika in total. Its was beautiful.

Well I thought it was beautiful.
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>>151360137
Didn't one of the anons post that sales went up when the plot kicked the magical adventures out the door?
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>>151360039
More years need to pass before people want another "cute girls show that turns serious towards the end" show enough for a good one to become big hit.
And it probably won't get discovered retroactively later, because the show isn't THAT great.
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Post more Yayakas, I need more punished Yayaka in my life.
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>>151360211
Last week it was in the highest position it has ever been in and we all thought that episode was weak so yeah thats likely
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>>151360192
It was beautiful and actually reminds me of CCS in some ways- this is the first show since then that has covered so many different types of love in its entirely.

I just hope that Papika and Cocona get a chance to explain their feelings to each other in their entirety (not just that they love each other, but the depth and type of love) before the show ends.
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>>151359960
>>151360233
oh wait you wrote "non-standard"

you're right, my bad
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>>151360246
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>>151360084
Are you referring to PapiCoco? They deliberately left it ambiguous so that they wouldn't alienate the homophobes in the audience. Want to pretend they'll go and bang each other's brains out the moment the show ends? Have fun! Would you prefer a more sisterly relationship with the whole Papikana thing? Have fun! Not a fan of safe writing myself, but I guess the director didn't want to have his name attached to explicit homosexual content.
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>>151360233
But thats just how the genre is and how it has been since Sailor moon!
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>>151360264
>actually comparing this shit heap with CCS
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>>151360233
>because the show isn't THAT great
A SHITPOSTER
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>>151360211
Yes.

Japanese audiences want more stuff like episode 12.

Ergo, they have shit taste.
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>>151360137
>So what you're saying is that Flip Flappers would have been popular if it was shit from the start?

If by shit you mean more accessible then maybe. FliFla is not a very accessible show. Even people in these threads could not understand the symbolism that was required. The bulk of people don't follow anything that closely so they get confused and don't watch.

Ultimately its a good show because it rewards the viewer that pays attention. There is no Deus Ex Machina, everything is foretasted and makes sense if you pay attention. It may not go in the direction you like but that does not make it bad.

Why am I even typing this out, you are the troll aren't you?
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>>151360283
But not like this anon ;_;
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>>151360329
>people were saying there isn't a circlejerk
>people were saying people could express that they didn't like the show as much freely
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>>151360400
>using an obvious falseflagger as evidence
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>>151360355
Pretty sure the show doesn't benefit from the week gap between episodes. Watching it all in one go would make the show a lot easier to digest.
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>>151360400
I'm gonna pretend you're not retarded and you're just playing along with the joke
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>>151360228
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>>151360400
Did you like my joke?

Lighten up anon, there's no reason to take shit this seriously.
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>>151359212
Do your posts contain a single bit of information about the show? It does not. Therefore by definition your posts are shitposts.
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>>151360400
>being this desperate to prove your argument

Holy shit.
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>>151360355
>If by shit you mean more accessible then maybe. FliFla is not a very accessible show. Even people in these threads could not understand the symbolism that was required.
What in the flying fuck are you talking about? It's a girl meets girl story. Depressed, lonely kid that wants to avoid her responsabilities decides to procrastinate via manic pixie dream dog girl. What's so complicated about that?

>Why am I even typing this out, you are the troll aren't you?
I dislike Flip Flappers' new direction. Going by this circlejerk's definition of the word, then you are describing me correctly.
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>>151360262
Still don't get how you guys thought last week was weak. At least its pretty interesting to see FliFla last arc received this highly polarizing reaction. You either love it or hate it, no middle ground.
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>>151360442
Agreed. the second half, in particular, works like one big arc. People get upset each episode does not offer resolution, but i'ts not supposed to.I have a feeling that after the last episode things are going to click for a lot of people.
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>>151359493
I approve of this
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>>151360429
>>151360450
>>151360462
>>151360503
>f-falseflagger!
>it d-doesn't count!
>it was just a joke bro!
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>>151360310
>reminds him of another show that tackled similar themes.

>doesn't even compare or contrast other than he found the themes similar

It doesn't take much to trigger you, huh?
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>>151360516
>What's so complicated about that?
You way overestimate the mental capacity of the average anime watcher.

>>151360590
Dude. That guy was an obvious false flagger. What's your problem?
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>>151360525
>Still don't get how you guys thought last week was weak.
Because you have no standards, most likely.

>pacing was at light speed, you couldn't digest shit of what was happening
>Symphogear syndrome of shit tons of ideas thrown at the wall only to be tossed aside a moment later
>spots with literally no animation
>"hey, let's solve Cocona's character development into a person who can take her own decisions by having a deus ex mac--- i mean good Mimi tell her she needs to take her own decisions"
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>>151360516
>It's a girl meets girl story. Depressed, lonely kid that wants to avoid her responsabilities decides to procrastinate via manic pixie dream dog girl.

Congratulations, you successfully reduced the entire story to its tropes in a single sentence. That does not detract from the point that was made. All stories can be reduced like that, its how the story is executed that helps determine if its accessible or not.

The beginning of the series left a lot of the story open to interpretation, relied on flower symbolism, and other devices to convey that information. For many people that makes the story inaccessible because you can't watch it while sitting on your phone and twitter.

The show required the audience to pay attention.
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>>151360525
The pacing was horrendous, it was a rapid fire of scenes without allowing enough time for setting the atmosphere and playing out the full potential of the show. Yayaka and Buu henshin was absolutely hype I'll give you that.
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what the fuck guys. there is just a single troll here shitposting about shitposting. don't let him derail the thread.
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>>151360745
Anons never learn. They just never fucking learn. They actually think he cares about evidence and other opinions.
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>>151360455
Going out for a moment. Please continue posting pretty Coconas.
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>>151360718
I agree, but I still think 12 was good. The pacing was bad, but the actual scenes were pretty good. I said it before in previous threads, but I feel like 12 should have been 2 episodes instead of 1, and that would have solved pretty much all of its issues.

I still love love LOVE Flip Flappers though. One misstep isn't enough to ruin the entire show, it wasn't even enough to ruin the episode.
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>>151360686
>"hey, let's solve Cocona's character development into a person who can take her own decisions by having a deus ex mac--- i mean good Mimi tell her she needs to take her own decisions"
>if I repeat my retarded interpretation and pretend it hasn't been debunked over and over it makes me right

Basically it was 2fast4you and you didn't care to rewatch to get a stronger opinion.
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>>151358836
Papika!
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>>151360792
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>>151360525
It wasn't weak in terms of emotional impact, it was clumsy. For me it was mostly how they pulled Sayuri's crush and Twins learning from Yayaka right out of their asses.
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>>151360790
I always figure their maybe someone lurking in this thread. I would hate for them to ignore the show because of some idiot troll. The evidence is for that anonymous stranger who may be convinced enough to give it a shot and watch.
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>>151360841
The idea might have been good. They may have been going for something like the different Mimis being part of Cocona's personality and a manifestation within her PI.

We'll never actually know what the intent was though, and that's the problem that resulted from the rushed pacing. No room for any of it to breathe, and it only COMES off as a deus ex machina when it might not have had to be.
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>>151360708
>The beginning of the series left a lot of the story open to interpretation
I want you to tell me how, exactly. We see a girl that doesn't seem to have much going for her, then she has to make an important life-changing decision, then she gets sidetracked by a talking red autist.

>>151360841
>it makes sense if you rewatch!
Then it's a bad episode/show, you fucking idiot. It means that any important information that had to be told for the scenes to make sense wasn't successfully conveyed to the viewer.

>>151360669
>Dude. That guy was an obvious false flagger.
Of course he is.

>present no proof of something obvious
>"y-y-you're just making stuff up!"
>proof of something obvious presents itself
>"f-falseflagger! delet this!"
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>>151360855
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>>151360718
Not really? Pacing depends on context and based on the context that was appropriate. Like I said, you either love it or hate it.
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>You don't have to shed tears about the shitposters, Cocona.
>Everything will be alright. Trust Me.
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>>151360882
>someone dislikes the show's new direction
>IDIOT T-TROLL!!
Hey guys, is this a falseflagger too?
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>>151360841
That anon misused the deus ex machina term, but the character development is still completely fucked up. Cocona needs her mom's external validation to stop caring about external validation. Just because you guys continuously repeat she would have done done the same without her mom's input doesn't change the fact that the director screwed up the central theme of the show.
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>>151360922
The dual nature of a person has been talked about in the series for a long time. Episode six is where that concept was cemented. What they are doing with Mimi is just an extension of what happened with Iro.

It all made perfect sense. In Episode 12 you were watching the internal conflict of Mimi. She was arguing with herself on how to best care for her daughter. As the conflict played out the PI helped influence Cocona that it was time to make her own decisions.

It used everything we previously established to resolve the situation and it worked well. I know many didn't appreciate the fast pace but I did. The director waste no time, he keeps it brisk baby.
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>>151360945
>I can't tell between an extremely obvious falseflagger and a regular post

Might as well admit you're retarded and save us some time.
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>>151360998
Was that really her mom or it was part of her subconscious? They were in PI so subconscious becoming real is more than possible.
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>>151361059
Might as well stop replying and save the thread.
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>>151360995
The guy is being called a troll because of the way he posts (like a shitposter), not the idea he's failing to get across. Ctrl+F 'circlejerk' and it's obvious
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>>151360922
The last episode established that when Mimi becomes emotional the good Mimi can come out. Right before good Mimi show sup here Cocona starts trying to wake up from Mimi's control and Mimi loses her cool. The point was that Cocona was in control of the situation the whole time but conceded to evil Mimi by nature. It's only a deus ex machina if you didn't understand that. You can argue it went by too quickly, but to criticize the idea in a show that everyone praised for being show don't tell is stupid.

>>151360945
You don't need to rewatch unless you're a fucking retard, which you clearly are. I recall when people made up headcanons about Rebellion not making sense and getting told they were objectively wrong, and they just blamed the show for their own ignorance and pretended they were never proved wrong in the next thread.
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>>151361101
I don't think it can be her subconscious. She never knew GoodMimi.
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>>151361101
Is their a significant difference? It was her mother, the part of her mother that wanted her to be free, that helped her come to the point of decision making.

Be it a manifestation of her subconscious or her mothers they are really the same thing
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>>151361050
>As the conflict played out the PI helped influence Cocona that it was time to make her own decisions.
You mean the deus ex machina. Or Mimi's "good side" split personality bullshit, as some people call it.

>>151361059
It's always a falseflagger, isn't it? Always.
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>>151360969
No, it's not about liking or not liking. The last bit with Mimi, Cocona and Papika was the big confrontation they have been building up from moment one and they just grazed through it. Writing 101, you don't rush through the pay off after you have done so much build up. Even diehard fans of the show admitted in subsequent threads that it took away from their enjoyment. It's okay anon, you don't have to rationalize everything to fit to your view. Flip Flappers is not a perfect show, that's all.
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>>151360998
its more like Evil Mimi used her mindfuck powers to make Cocona literally unable to make her own decisions or think for herself, which is why she is an unresponsive Zombie after Mimi possesses complete control of her body.

The good side of Mimi slipped through the cracks though and wouldnt let this happen without giving Cocona at least the ability to choose, and released Cocona from the mind-rape zombiefication so that she could choose for herself again. She did the same thing for Papika and released Papika from the mind rape drool face zombification.

It wasnt about validation from her mother, but canceling out the cthullu mindrape powers that kept her from acting in the first place.

I agree that these scenes were rushed, and should have had their own episode dedicated to them. It also is not the way I would have done things if I was in charge.

But- lets not misrepresent it as something that it is not. Its not about her receiving validation from mom to be independent. It is about the fractured good side of her mom releasing her and Papika from mindrape enthrallment that kept from acting or thinking on their own.
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>>151361136
>You don't need to rewatch unless you're a fucking retard, which you clearly are.
What a perfect comeback. Clearly, I've been bested.
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>>151361159
>You mean the deus ex machina. Or Mimi's "good side" split personality bullshit, as some people call it.

The good/evil mimi is all one person. The instance where Mimi is letting her daughter make a decision is just the point where you see Mimi relinquish control of her daughter and giver he autonomy.

Its not so much a fight between two mimi, Its Mimi finally letting go, if only for an instant. We just see it as a fight because that is how its represented in PI
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>>151361169
thats right, its not a perfect show. But it is a very very good one and I love love LOVE it!
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>>151359284
>cradle robber
That cracked me up.
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>>151361169
No it has everything to do with liking or hating. That's the most fundamental reason why we even have opinion. Obviously FlipFlap is not perfect, personally I wish they don't make the character design so angular, I like rounded design more.

It's okay to hate or love it but you have to own it.
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>>151361182
That's a really nice headcanon, but there's no indication at all that Cocona's subservience to Mimi isn't out of her own volition. Remember that one PV? She didn't want to deal with the world anymore and leave it all to mommy.

Cocona's character development was screwed up. Get over it.

>>151361258
Cocona always had autonomy and she chose to be with Mimi. Until asspull-chan told her she shouldn't be with Mimi, at which point Cocona decided she shouldn't be with Mimi.
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How to make the episode better:

>show clearly that the different Mimis are from Cocona's mind by having Mimi disappear at the end and Cocona looking like she woke up from her blank state
>remove the wedding henshin and save it for next episode
>instead have the giant creature be defeated by PaCoYa henshin (and scrap the retarded "I only let you henshin" bullshit at the same time)

There, much better, and with minimal effort.
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>>151361325
>Remember that one PV
Which one if I may ask?
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>>151361145
She doesn't have to though. If you never knew your parents and you know nothing about them you will never, ever thought them to be bad. You will want to believe that you have a nice parents that loves you.
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>151361219
Not even worth a (you). I've seen too many posts like this where they get refuted and just cry ad hominem because they have no argument to make. It's a cancer that ruins discussion.
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>>151361325
Cocona has always just gone with the flow, She let Papika take her on adventures, she let Mimi take her away. It was not so much a decision but a refusal to make one. She allowed others to make the decision for her.

In that moment of Episode 12, when her mother stopped holding her back, she decided she really does love Papika. She broke free of the decisions of others and made a decision on her own.
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>>151361365
The Youtube PV for episode 11. It had Cocona say something among the lines of "I don't have to choose anything anymore, right? Because mom will do it for me."

>>151361412
>no YOU don't have an argument
>let's nevermind that I was the one to start throwing insults instead of arguments in the first place!
Pathetic.
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>>151361412
I just wish it was actual criticism and not just meta talk with the intend to rile people up. We had a good discussion one or two threads back. The one with Salt in the OP.
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>>151349968
I'll add it
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>>151361461
>the only good threads are the ones where people don't criticise muh precious furippu furappasu
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>>151361349
>show clearly that the different Mimis are from Cocona's mind

Why, If it is ambiguous then it was intentional, regardless there is no significant different between the two. If PI represents our collective unconsciousness and our relationships then they are one in the same.
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>>151361456
I guess. Could be the mind control. In the end, this was rejected by her.

>>151361482
He lives!

>>151361509
This is a good example of meta talk.
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>>151361509
That thread had criticism you retard. It had effort in it though and that's the difference between a lot of the criticism in other threads.
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>>151361482
I will have 3 cool drawings untill the 29th
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>>151361509
You came in, started shitting on people, posts shits laced with minimum amount of argument. I'll reserve my critique for the show in a separate thread.
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>>151361575
Wait, we can submit more than one?
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>>151361456
>"I don't have to choose anything anymore, right? Because mom will do it for me."

>These aren't the droids you are looking for
>These aren't the droids we are looking for
>Move Along
>Move Along!

You just blew my mind anon, Storm Trooper was a nice guy after all, no mind tricks needed!
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>>151361436
>Cocona has always just gone with the flow
No. Else she would have chosen a high school to attend right away after being told that it didn't matter.

She just wants to run away from her responsabilities, and all the decisions she took in the show were to that end. She always had that autonomy. Her character arc is learning that she needs to face reality at some point, which is made completely invalid by the fact that she didn't reach this point because of her actions and the consequences of them (directly, anyway), but because someone else (and her MOM at that!) told her she must.
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>>151361628
Guess so, I never said anything about just one submission
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>>151361539
It was ambiguous to the point where a lot of people including myself doubted the writer's intentions to begin with. There's a fine difference between "show don't tell" and "don't give any sort of nudge at all towards any meaning other than the story feeling rushed".
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>>151361159
>You mean the deus ex machina
If you payed attention to the show you'd have noticed it was already established that the good Mimi could overpower the evil Mimi when the opportunity arose. No need for rewatches though right?
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>>151361509
This is exactly the kind of post that should be enough to convince people not to reply. Yet you keep doing it. Do you think these threads need to be spiced up with pointless shitflinging where one side clearly doesn't care about what other people actually say?
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>>151361325
>That's a really nice headcanon, but there's no indication at all that Cocona's subservience to Mimi isn't out of her own volition. Remember that one PV? She didn't want to deal with the world anymore and leave it all to mommy.

>Cocona's character development was screwed up. Get over it.

Just joining the discussion now, but I agree with what you say regarding Cocona's state and refusal to make decisions being from her own volition at that moment.

However, I do not think that screws up her character development. Cocona slowly gained the courage to make her own decisions throughout the show. We see this peak at episodes 8 and 9. Then 10 sends it crashing down by making everything up to that point seem pointless. evil!Mimi further convinces her she couldn't make her own decisions and, considering the results, Cocona convinces herself that's the case. good!Mimi simply does the exact opposite.

I don't see this as Cocona learning to make decisions because she was told to, but as her learning to get up again after getting invested in something for the first time and that turning out to be a perceived failure. That's also why I really wish we could have seen her deal with those thoughts and feelings more than we did, and I don't think this was a particularly good way to wrap up her arc, but that's not due to the Mimi scene neither is it something that singlehandedly ruins it.
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>>151361550
>In the end, this was rejected by her.
Because she was told to reject it, that's the fucking problem.

>>151361634
>>>/tv/
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>>151361667
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>>151361509
The good threads are the ones that have criticism and discussion that doesn't boil down to petty insults and accusations of being part of some non-existent circlejerk when your criticisms are met with criticisms of their own. Yeah, some dude made a fucking strawpoll, get over it.
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>>151350333

who the fuck voted for Cocona?
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>>151361708
It's past bump limit. The thread is officially hopeless. So I gave up.
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>>151361746
>who the fuck voted for Yayaka

fixed
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>>151361651
I don't have a problem with a mom giving her child advice before potentially leaving forever. It's not like Cocona will never make her own choice ever. Sometimes you need the encouragement from a loved one to make a big decision.
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>>151361693
How many cards do we have so far?
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>>151361746
>>151361764
Why not both?
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>>151361749
>>151361708
At least people will know better next thread. Right?
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>>151361731

>>151361779
Also add Papika to the list.
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>>151361325
Cocona always had autonomy and she chose to be with Mimi. Until asspull-chan told her she shouldn't be with Mimi, at which point Cocona decided she shouldn't be with Mimi.
>Cocona decided

Literally just contradicted yourself in the same sentence. Not to mention that Mimi never told her she couldn't she told her that she should make her own decisions and live her own life. At least try to be factually accurate.
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>>151361705
>when the opportunity arose.
So it's literally an asspull. Thanks for helping me with that.

>>151361708
Yeah we all know criticism makes people mad, you don't need to point it out.
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>>151361793
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Of all the things to complain about in the last episode, the ones that get picked have been the most retarded (Papika's love line, fistbump instead of makeout session, shipping wars, how did Mimi happen).

Is it because it makes for more doomsaying than to address the actual issues like pacing or animation issues? The overreacting has been insane, like I'm on tumblr or something.
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>>151361651
>She just wants to run away from her responsabilities, and all the decisions she took in the show were to that end. She always had that autonomy. Her character arc is learning that she needs to face reality at some point,

I can agree with that

>made completely invalid by the fact that she didn't reach this point because of her actions and the consequences of them (directly, anyway), but because someone else (and her MOM at that!) told her she must.

Her mother had taken control of her, she had removed her ability to move forward because she had her trapped, literally. When her mother told her to make a decision that was her mother remove the cage she had placed on Cocona.

At that point she was fee to make a decision and she decided on Papika and moving forward, instead of going back to her mother and running away.

I see where you are coming from, I just don't agree with your exact interpretation. Fair enough I suppose.
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>>151361835
That isn't at all. Both times occurred when the evil Mimi lost composition. Just as little of an assault as anything can be. Previously established as being able to happen in those exact circumstances. Sorry you didn't pay attention but you should probably now re-evaluate your opinion now you have been demonstrated to be incorrect.
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>>151361835
You're right. This >>151361509 is some fantastic criticism. Flip Flappers is ruined WAOTY
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>>151361906
>like I'm on tumblr or something
really makes you think
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>>151361906
Pacing or animations were likely a result of tight scheduling or other extraneous issues. Story and directing decisions were absolutely under their control, so that's why they're scrutinized more.
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>>151361906
>Shippers are cancerous
I think you may have discovered something revolutionary here.
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>>151361720
See, this makes sense but I don't think it's what the writer was going for.

>>151361829
>Literally just contradicted yourself in the same sentence.
How?
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>>151361829
She never choose to be with Mimi. She, like all kids with overbearing parents, listen to what her mom said. There's no choice involved, she just do what her mom told her. In the end she did make a choice, and that is to pick a place she belong.
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>>151361983
>Story and directing decisions were absolutely under their control
Unfortunately these aspects come from creators' opinions and opinions can influence the scrutiny from the audience.
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>>151361906
All of those have already been discussed, too. There's just not much to argue about animation quality or distribution of screen time. The animation has been below the standard Flip Flappers has been at and the pacing gave too little time to the parts that people wanted to see and that would have made a difference in the delivery of the emotional scenes.
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>>151362012
You are saying Cocona had no autonomy and then say she decided something. That's a contradiction. If she had no autonomy there would be no decision to be made by Cocona.
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>>151361922
>Both times occurred when the evil Mimi lost composition.
>episode 12 - Mimi was calmly telling Papika to piss off and then asspull-chan appeared out of thin air
Ooookay.

>>151361931
That post was criticising the threads you fucking bat.
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>>151361821
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>>151361906
>actual issues like pacing or animation issues?
No one really cares about QUALITY, and pacing is just a meme so people can pretend like their opinions are objective in some way
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>>151361906
Its being complained about more because those things cannot be fixed. Animation issues will almost certainly be fixed in BDs, just like they have been for every other anime in the past 5 years.

Pacing issues are unfortunate, but not the end of the world- if the team is up to it, the can extend the episode a couple of minutes in the BD to address this, although this is much less likely- but it is not unprecedented.

The other stuff complained about really cannot be fixed however, which is why it is targeted for complaints.
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>>151362132
What is your argument even supposed to be here? The evil Mimi was pissed both times, a loss of composure.
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>>151362153
>No one really cares about QUALITY
I do. I hope they'll fix it for the BD release.
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>>151362132
>Mimi was calmly telling Papika to piss off and then asspull-chan appeared out of thin air

It is not out of this air. They are the same person, part of the whole. It's part of the internal conflict of Mimi made visible. She is feeling both of those things at once, one is more dominant but both are present.
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>>151362126
>You are saying Cocona had no autonomy
Eh?

>Cocona always had autonomy and she chose to be with Mimi.
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Dammit I just took the same screencap.
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>>151362269
>Until asspull-chan told her she shouldn't be with Mimi,

Please try remember what you are arguing.
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>>151361906
Not like you can talk about animation issues beside QUALITY anyway, but sure we can try. Did you see the credit for latest episode, like shit what the fuck happened, that many AD and key animator for a single episode? This is almost as bad as Imas CG last episode.
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>>151362189
She was hardly annoyed, let alone "pissed". Hell, she was all smug as fuck while corrupting Papika's memories. Compare that to when baby Cocona was being taken away and Mimi was metaphorically tearing her hair out out of desperation.

>>151362226
And "good" Mimi just to happens to ONLY appear when the plot requires her to.

A S S P U L L
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>>151362296
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>>151362226
>It's part of the internal conflict of Mimi made visible.
Yet another internal conflict that should've been shown in more details. I mean, they did the fantastic job for Yayaka's character arc, yet Papika, Cocona and Mimi never got the same depth and clarity of presentation. Which is a shame.
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>>151362360
Sure, not pissed.
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>>151362360
>And "good" Mimi just to happens to ONLY appear when the plot requires her to.

Everything in a story happens when the plot demands it, what exactly is your point?

What you are watching with Mimi is a mother who wants to protect her daughter from the dangers of the world but deep down knows she needs to let her daughter go so she can become an adult. The two Mimi's is an excellent method, within the world that had been established, to show this duality.
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>>151362425
I disagree about depth, but definitely agree about the lack of clarity. But that same lack of clarity is what attracted me to the show in the first place, and is part of the reason why I like it. I love a show (or game, its why I love Bloodborne) that makes really good use of subtext.
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>>151362360
Everybody in a show only appears when required to by the writing. Not sure what your point is supposed to be there. The other characters aren't somehow appearing by their own volition. There isn't much to argue with though if you refuse to see what's in the show. It was a previously established plot point shown to be able to occur in specific circumstances that then reoccurred.
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>>151362455
Sure, not pissed. Compare the time of your screenshot to mine.

>>151362456
>Everything in a story happens when the plot demands it
>>151362502
>Everybody in a show only appears when required to by the writing.
This is a serious lack of standards being displayed here. You can have both narrative convenience AND have it make sense.

See: Yayaka's killsteal in episode 3.
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>>151361771
12, this is our latest submission.
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>>151362338
Yet the episode still managed to have some of the best action cuts in the entire show. So give and take I guess.
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>>151362409
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>>151362549
there will be one when the blurays release.
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>>151362595
Damn, these cards are having higher quality by each day
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>>151362477
nice Papika. Marry Flapmas too, anon.
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>>151362595
Shit some people know how to draw.
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>>151362477
To you too anon
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>>151362582
It did make sense people have pointed out to you how multiple times. You are more concerned with maintaining your position at all costs than having a discussion.
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>>151362601
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>>151346655
found this on twitter
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>>151362269
>>151362314
>gets shown to be contradicting himself, drops the chain on replies immediately

Not even surprised.
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>>151362772
Hmmm.
>>151352093
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>>151362613
god am i tempted to buy the blurays
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>>151362772
Wasnt that originally made in this thread? or the last one?
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>>151362597
Compared to the show's standard though I'd even say it was just a little bit off. It lacked detail in some areas.

It's probably still my favorite regardless given the transformation that just took place however.
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>>151362823
Everything starts in 4chan, the process of the shit being recycled is just that much faster now
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>>151362672
>It did make sense
No it didn't. Again, good Mimi appeared out of buttfuck nowhere solely because the plot would hit a dead end otherwise. Cocona didn't want to leave mom, Papika was mindbroken, Yayaka was too injured to keep fighting, Salt and the others are all still in the normal world, no signs of good Mimi anywhere or really anything that could help the heroes in this situation. So logically, Mimi wins, right? Nope, good Mimi out of fucking nowhere because fuck you that's why.

>You are more concerned with maintaining your position at all costs than having a discussion.
Oh, the irony.

>>151362775
I'm not going to argue against someone that doesn't know how to read.
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>>151362809
its where every creditless OP/ED release comes from. They will be on Nyaa as soon as the blurays get ripped.
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>>151362863
Yeah, I think its because they were crunching for time. This is gonna be one of those things that looks much improved in the blurays.
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>>151362884
>Cocona didn't want to leave mom
Deep down she probably didn't like seeing Papika get mindbroken, so she starts resisting. That resistance leads to good Mimi getting a chance to talk to her.
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>>151362809
Will there be any edition with all the episodes? Not costing literally my payment of 4 months without taxes in the shitty place I live in?
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>>151362597
Yayaka's Cure March kick is one of my favorite part of the episode. I don't know what's going on with the sudden hell for the production but I sure hope none of them got hospitalized.
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>>151362968
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>>151362884
Great point except you say Cocona had autonomy UNTIL Mimi told her what to do and then after this Cocona made a decision. That's a contradiction just admit it. Not hard.
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>>151362884
Stop trying to view them as separate people. They are one entity with conflicting motivations, depending on how Mimi feels different things happen
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>>151362884
>Again, good Mimi appeared out of buttfuck nowhere
Yes it was clearly established previously that under specific circumstances she could take control. Not out of buttfuck nowhere.
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>>151362993
Only one I know cost around 60k yen.
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>>151362976
>Deep down she probably didn't like seeing Papika get mindbroken, so she starts resisting.
Now, wouldn't that have been a much better and hype-er way to tie up Cocona's development?

Mimi is beating the shit out of Papika and Yayaka, Cocona sees this and after a bit of internal conflict she decides she needs to stop fucking around, breaks out of the cage, hugs Papika and they transform into Mahou Shoujo 2, restoring Papika's memories in the process. There.

Instead we have the stupidest asspull of all time. Fuck this show.
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>>151363127
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>>151363138
>Instead we have the stupidest asspull of all time. Fuck this show.

See this is the kind of thing that makes people think you are disingenuous. Hyperbolic statements like that.
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>>151363138
Sure it would be better to show it but the implication that Cocona hasn't completely discarded Papika is still obvious so it's fair to assume that she wouldn't just let Mimi have her way.

>the stupidest asspull of all time
Calling it an asspull over and over is just hurting your case.
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>>151363090
Yes, she had her own autonomy. She CHOSE to be with her mom. Until her mom told her not to be with her mom so she decided not to be with her mom anymore?

>>151363097
>Stop trying to view them as separate people.
That's how the show portrays them.

>>151363128
>Yes it was clearly established previously that under specific circumstances she could take control.
No, it was established that under specific circumstances Mimi would let her dark side take over her.

Not that it matters since, again, there was no reason for good Mimi to appear. Evil Mimi wasn't under any big distress or anything. She disabled Yayaka flawlessly and was smugly telling Papika to leave.
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>>151363275
>That's how the show portrays them.
Not really. More like Smeagol and Golllum for LotR for lack of a better comparisson.
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>>151363319
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>>151363275
>That's how the show portrays them.

That is a device, its symbolic. It is the same device they used with Iro, or with the father of Salt. It is to highlight the dual nature of people. Its the flip to a persons flap.
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>>151363275
>That's how the show portrays them.
Well shit I guess Cocona and Papika are literally Iroha since that's how they were portrayed. Oh and Papika still has big tits because we saw her with them in a flashback.
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>>151363275
>Until her mom told her not to be with her mom so she decided not to be with her mom anymore?
>she decided
You can't decide. things without autonomy if she loses autonomy when Mimi talked to her then Cocona cannot make the decision after that yet you are saying she did. I don't think this can be made any simpler for you. At this point I'm going to have to assume you are just wilfully ignoring that you have been shown wrong at all costs.
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>>151363205
Yeah, criticism makes people think I'm a shitposter. We've gone over this already.

>>151363249
>but the implication that Cocona hasn't completely discarded Papika is still obvious
There's no such thing. Had good Mimi not been there, Cocona would have remained in her funk forever.

>Calling it an asspull over and over is just hurting your case.
Calling it anything but "best writing evar 11/10 AOTD" is hurting my case in your eyes, so who cares.
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>>151363376
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>>151363275
>She CHOSE to be with her mom

Yeah having her body taken over by he mother's phantom spirit then pulled into PI, after being used to hurt Salt and Papika, where Mimi starts brainwashing her. Some fucking choice she had.
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>>151363275
>Evil Mimi wasn't under any big distress or anything.

Are you intentionally ignoring the fact that there are literally people there trying to Cocona away from her and the fact she is going batshit on Papika and Cocona over it?
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>>151363430
>Calling it anything but "best writing evar 11/10 AOTD" is hurting my case in your eyes, so who cares.
Not him, but that is a heck of a strawman.
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>>151363430
>Had good Mimi not been there, Cocona would have remained in her funk forever.
That's one of the biggest assumptions about this show I've ever seen. Perhaps that could be the case, but it's impossible to know.

>>151363430
>Calling it anything but "best writing evar 11/10 AOTD" is hurting my case in your eyes, so who cares.
even more assumptions
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>>151363430
>iticism makes people think I'm a shitposter
No it's things like this, intentionally misrepresenting people's posts and making hyperbolic statements that make people think you are a shitposter.
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>>151363477
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>>151363364
>>151363386
Being two halves of the same person doesn't mean they aren't being portrayed as separate, which they are.

>>151363399
>I AM SILLY

>>151363424
She had autonomy, which she used to choose to be with Mimi. And then she lost that when Mimi told her not to be with Mimi (she chose that because she was told to) and the show pretended this was character development.
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>>151363430
Hey, fuck you.
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>>151363484
>having her body taken over by he mother's phantom spirit then pulled into PI, after being used to hurt Salt and Papika, where Mimi starts brainwashing her
This only happened because she had given up on living and let her mom do whatever. She didn't care but now she does care and that's why good Mimi showed up.
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>>151363561
>And then she lost that when Mimi told her not to be with Mimi
Please watch the episode and stop making up things that didn't happen.
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>>151363540
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>>151363561
>Being two halves of the same person doesn't mean they aren't being portrayed as separate, which they are.

But they are portrayed as the same person in that scene after she picks up the apple. The same style just wouldn't work in that scene.
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>>151363561
You are saying DECIDED to leave after being told to by Mimi. You can't lose your autonomy and then make a decision. If you have no autonomy making a decision isn't an option.
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>>151363619
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>>151363619
How much shampoo and conditioner does she use to get such awesome hair?
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Given its own episode and the proper amount of time, the Good Mimi pep talk could have been as legendary as this scene: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2nzpfn_kamina-s-return_shortfilms
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>>151363587
>This only happened because she had given up on living
No, it only happened because Cocona was being kidnapped.
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>>151363484
Yes, she chose after grandma told her how everything was a lie and didn't matter and shit. She didn't want to deal with the world anymore and let somebody else do it for her.

>>151363504
>she is going batshit on Papika
Oh yeah man, look at how batshit she is. Boy, she sure looks angry. Someone please save us from Cocona's mom HOLY SHIIIIT

>>151363529
>That's one of the biggest assumptions about this show I've ever seen.
She had absolutely no reaction to anything that was happening until good Mimi showed up to wave her magic wand and solve everything.

>>151363539
Yeah, yeah, criticism, shitposting, whatever. How long are you going to do this?
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>>151363670
It's all in the genes, anon. Mimi did something right.
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>>151363730
So you are completely ignoring what was going on in service of your own argument. Ok.
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>>151363730
As long as you keep intentionally misrepresenting people's posts and making hyperbolic statements intended to be inflammatory.
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>>151363730
>Yes, she chose after grandma told her how everything was a lie and didn't matter and shit.

There was no choice involved my man. Mimi took over her body the moment she became poweless against her captors. She essentially traded one kidnapper for another.
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>>151363579
No.

>>151363634
Then they should have changed it so it works instead of doing whatever and hoping nobody would notice. Duh.

>>151363588
>>151363644
Fair enough, but I don't think they get to portray Cocona's evolution into someone that takes her own decisions by making her first decision that she takes on her own be something that someone else told her to do.
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>>151363720
The two can happen at the same time you know. Cocona didn't have a house or a family or felt like she had friends she could trust. Suddenly her mom shows up and she's thinking "whatever"
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Well time to abandon thread. Thanks for the Coconaposting.
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>>151363730
>She had absolutely no reaction to anything that was happening until good Mimi showed up to wave her magic wand and solve everything

Absolutely false. When Yayaka got the shit beaten out of her right in front of her Cocona noticed and was concerned.
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>>151363842
Which is an utterly baseless assumption you made up to support your argument.
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>>151363730

I thought you said she didn't lose her shit? She went on like a minute long tangent freaking out saying how much she hates Papika and then was literally on the verge of tears questioning herself with "isn't this what a mother is supposed to do? Protect her daughter?! Why try and take her away!!!!"

All while screaming.

Your cherry picking is very convincing to people who dont remember the context and order of events, but you can't fool me.
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>>151363794
>>151363834
Yes, there was a choice involved. The show makes a point that Cocona is letting Mimi take control because she doesn't trust herself enough to do it herself anymore.

Fucking watch the goddamn show.

>>151363832
>STOP criticising my favorite ANIMAYS
No.

>>151363875
She wasn't. Rewatch the episode.
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>>151363841
She wasn't told to do that though. She was told to make her own decisions and live life the way she wanted. She could make her own decision to stay with Mimi in Pure Illusion.
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