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Is Nyunyu going to pull something before the end? A few weeks ago people were saying she was going to be the final boss.
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flapped mimi will need a new body to fight against flapped yayaka and flipped papika and kokona.
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at the end of the A part, she'll get bored of hearing people talk about their feelings and shoot them all with bullets from her gun
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>>151329874
>implying Flip Flappers will do something cool
>implying this after the trash that were episodes 10 to 12
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>>151330099
get your dubs back in the other thread yuyu
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>>151330099
Who are you quoting?
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>>151330099
>>151330166
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I complained about it before, but now I'm enjoying her doing nothing.
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>>151330099
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>>151330099
>>151330166
It doesn't end...
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>>151329874
Has this character even been on screen for more than 5 minutes? Flip Flappers is a trainwreck and it's really showing at the end.
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some more 2ch comments

>Yuyu's "Onii-Chan!" was moe.
>When emotionly guarded characters finally show their emotions its good.
>Seems Yayaka is a user of Spirit Light Fissure Kick Fist (Yu Yu Hakusho attack)
>Yayaka Hayai.
>Doesn't the PV contian too many spoilers for the last episode?
>Tickets for the talk show go on sale shortly.
>They sold out in an instant.
>Even if fans of the show bought the tickets I think MAO voice otaku bought them too.
>Yayaka-chan was bold in declaring the person she treasured the most.
>Pure Delinquent's design doesn't have any gradient on the legs. I wonder if that means anything?
>The voice of Yayaka's heart shined through.
>Papika's "I've loved you since you were born!" was heavy and good.
>It is heavy when you think of it as an aunt saying that.
>Yayaka is Cocona's friend, Papika gives more of a family feeling.
>Papika is the same age as Cocona!
>Next Week: Cocona finds out Papika is the same age as her mother and destroys the world.
>The winning BGM played when Yayaka said "Flip Flapping!"
>Was avoiding seeing the PV images to not get spoiled, but I looked in the end.
>There is the possibility that the PV doesn't show the C-part at all.
>NyuNyu has only been a mascot character so far, wonder if that will change in the final episode.
>I want a Uexkull phone strap.
>Salt and Syuri falling in love seems sudden, don't think it can be done with one episode only.
>Even after falling off my bike I will try to play it cool infront of a girl.
>Mimi should really be trying to bring down Sayuri.
>I think the Salt/Sayuri scenes were to portary Salt's gentle side.
>Yayaka will take care of TotoYuyu after KKK's destruction. NyuNyu will become Hidaka's assistant.
>Yuri Flappingu!
>Pure Yurifag!
>Maybe the Gokigenyou girls will reappear as Yapiko's allys.
>The scene where the light returned to Cocona's eyes was wonderful, it gave me goosebumps.
>NyuNyu and Bu-chan could become good friends. Nyu and Pyu goes well together.
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>>151329874
>OH SHIT! Guys! We're in the last few episodes of the season and we completely forgot to include the blue-haired girl from the OP!
>You're right! We better put her in a few scenes and hope nobody realizes that we forgot all about her!
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>>151329874
reposting the poll so that the ultimate objective of it can be achieved.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11945170/r
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Papika calls Cocona dear and Mimi gentle.
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>>151329874
They were subverting expectations by having a happy go luck character rather than some big bad psychopath
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>coco
>yaya
>yuyu
>toto
>nyunyu
>mimi

is FliFlap actually dubs: the anime?
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Do you think they'll explain how poopyka became a child again?
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>>151330323
>>Papika is the same age as Cocona!
>>Next Week: Cocona finds out Papika is the same age as her mother and destroys the world.
We are not so different, after all.
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>>151330099
YESSSS

HOW IRONIC!

THE SHIT POSTER HIMSELF FULLFILLS THE PROPHECY!!

>>151328680>>151328680>>151328680>>151328680>>151328680>>151328680>>151328680>>151328680>>151328680>>151328680>>151328680
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>Yayaka will take care of TotoYuyu after KKK's destruction. NyuNyu will become Hidaka's assistant.
That's what I'd like to see.
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>>151330416
It's already been explained. Mimi de-aged her in PI, probably to be Cocona's playmate.
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>>151330432
we had a 99 in the last thread anyway

see >>151330287
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I always knew Salt was just a cleverly disguised Gondola.
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Episodes 1-12 stream.
I screwed up the time on the last poll but most people preferred a single stream so here's the new one to choose the time. (reposting from last thread)

http://www.strawpoll.me/11944672/
http://www.strawpoll.me/11944672/
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>>151330323
>>Even after falling off my bike I will try to play it cool infront of a girl.

Ha. Salt is a smooth operator.
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>>151330432
>"in this thread"
>cross-thread post
You are an actual retard, aren't you.
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>>151330438
Nyunyu looks suspicious as fuck here, like that one concept art of Mimi we saw prior to her becoming an enemy. Don't trust this loli, anons.
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>>151330447
>Mimi de-aged her in PI, probably to be Cocona's playmate.
Mimi fucked her up in the dicktree. Cocona found her and dug her out of the jail.
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>>151330371
>I am in this thread

Why all options have this?
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>>151330386
The word she uses would be more closely translated as "My Beloved"
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Is it just me, or does episode 12 get a little better every time its rewatched. The only real flaws I can find with it is that the pacing of the last 4-6 minutes is a bit rushed, and a couple scenes where the animation couldnt be finished (salt motorcycle scene).

I guess my expectations were just whack originally and I was just overreacting based on my expectations being portrayed. I am not going to watch any PVs this next week, and outside of the stream rewatch, I will be avoiding these threads after christmas, and not returning until the last episode has aired.

I think being here has twisted my expectations and harmed my enjoyment of episode 12 on the first watch.

>>151330549

She couldnt keep on the bike and was gonna fall off, so Salt jumped off the bike himself to grab and protect her fall. The animation work during this scene is clearly unfinished though.
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>>151330596
She's imitating Yayaka's Gainax pose. Cute.
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>>151330704
Yes, and in general all pacing problems go away during rewatch because you have the time to think over all the shots.
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Do you guys think this show had a script written beforehand or did they just come up with the story as they drew the storyboards?
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>>151330323
>Yayaka Hayai.
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>>151330693
>Official Census to see how many people are actually in these threads

How much you like the show is actually completely irrelevant and just there to give people something to vote for/against. The real purpose is to see how many individuals/samefags are in these threads. It looks like only have 19 people in here, and only 1 of those is the troll who hates Flip Flappers.
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>>151330778
your zen koan of the day is: how can one feel the writer change when there is no writer?
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>>151330778
>Mimi in episode 1
>dick tree as early as episode 4
Gee, I dunno, I guess they just made it all up as they went along.
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>>151330323
>>Papika's "I've loved you since you were born!" was heavy and good.
>>It is heavy when you think of it as an aunt saying that.
>>Yayaka is Cocona's friend, Papika gives more of a family feeling.
>>Papika is the same age as Cocona!
>>Next Week: Cocona finds out Papika is the same age as her mother and destroys the world.
So what is their consensus? Are they obsessed about the purported age gap? Do they think Papika loves Cocona romantically?
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>>151330701
Ok that's even more romantic than dear. Papika really wants her.
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>>151330859
Unlike our anons they seem to have realised that Papika doesn't love CCN romantically.
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>>151330323
>Salt and Syuri falling in love seems sudden
I swear, you introduce one romance and suddenly that's all there can be.
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>>151330859
They are as confused as us at this point.
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>>151330323
>Pure Delinquent's design doesn't have any gradient on the legs. I wonder if that means anything?

Is that what they call Yayakas henshin or something?
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>>151330954
They are saying Sayuri and salt are falling in love...I never saw that.
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>>151330859
There isn't any consensus and it really isn't nearly as big of an issue to be honest.
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>>151330323
>Next Week: Cocona finds out Papika is the same age as her mother and destroys the world.
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>>151331031
no shit, in Japan this show was never interpreted as being A JOURNEY OF GAY DISCOVERY to begin with
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>>151330859

>So what is their consensus?

They think its a good show. Japs generally are less likely to directly rank or compare things though, top 10 or top 3 or AOTS and similar ways of ranking things dont really happen often in Japanese culture. They just classify things as either good or bad. They think most of the issues with the show are things that "cant be helped" or will be fixed with BD releases.

>Are they obsessed about the purported age gap?

Not really. They recognize it, and have some disagreements and similar conclusions as some of us do, but they dont seem to be arguing or shitposting as much about it. They mostly just seem to be along for the ride and looking forward to where it goes with this before making final judgements about it.

>Do they think Papika loves Cocona romantically?

Same answer as above, but there is a lot hope and "I would like if it was revealed to be "aishiteru".
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>>151331034
It just came to me that Cocona still doesn't remember her first encounter with Papika. If she does in the next ep, she wouldn't have any problem with the age gap because she first saw Papika as a toddler.
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>>151331084
So basically the same as us but without yurihaters shitposting
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>>151330494
I legit love gondola. He's awesome.
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>>151331146
Yup.
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>>151330932
>>151330701

Its "Daisuke Na Cocona"

Its basically turning Daisuke into an adjective. So it translates either into: "My lovely Cocona", or "The Cocona that I love"

Fun Fact: The Japanese Name for this song is "Daisuke Na": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG1pRNQAByI
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>>151331076
The fun thing is that it still totally is one. But somehow it doesn't count of not every single episode of the show is dedicated to that.
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>>151330954
Nah not really, thats just like 4 posts on the topic.

>>151331076
Who said anything about that? Yuri shipping just isn't as huge a part of their threads or evaluation of the show. I mean it is definitely there but nobody it seems is going to lose their shit or hate the show if the relationship doesn't turn out to match their headcannon from what I see.
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They are wearing wedding dresses with heart-shaped chests. I never want to hear the term 'bait' ever again.
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>>151331217
The word doesn't appear in the thread until your post.
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>>151331146
Or het haters either. How nice it must be.
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>>151331146
thats pretty much it.
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>>151331217
>ctrl+F that word
>only hit is your post
Mmm.
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>>151331217
It's bait until they have a long, deep kiss and they say "amai" after thoroughly tasting each other's tongues.
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>>151331252
>het haters
kek
quit pretending straight shippers are some "persecuted party"
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>>151331204
According to ANN it does count, but only if it's a sports show that has 6 episodes of filler in the middle and is crazy popular.
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>>151331084
>top 10 or top 3 or AOTS and similar ways of ranking things dont really happen often in Japanese culture

They have their AOTY voting thread up right now.
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>>151331084
>They think most of the issues with the show are things that "cant be helped" or will be fixed with BD releases
Would you have a few examples of both cases?
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>>151331200
It makes you wonder why Papika keeps ignoring the friend word. Yayaka says it a lot in this ep. I honestly feel the writer was trying to show the difference between their feelings for Cocona.
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>>151331345
Just out of interest, what's winning?
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>>151331345
which is decided by consensus. There isn't much in the way of arguing or having personal picks in the same way that we have it here in the west.
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>>151331328
I only say you're oppressing us as a joke. You're really just annoying.
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>>151331402
If there's no arguing, it's not consensus, it's just a vote.
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So it seems like there are only 19 people in these threads, 1 of which is a shitposter.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11945170/

If you havent voted yet, toss it in there.
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>mfw this show is aimed at Japanese NEETs who don't know what to do with their life
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>>151331508
I see 29, anon.
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>>151331455
sorry, my english isn't as good as my japanese.
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>>151331379
Fucked if I am tallying it up. Not Flip Flappers though I can tell you that much.

>>151331402
Yeah, none of that of course.
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>>151331532
What goodMimi is implying
>Don't be afriad, go, and find your love
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If the final part were extended by 2-3 minutes everyone would be writing praises over how brilliant it was. Salt ruins everything once again.
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>>151330099
Did they get kids with no experience voice acting for her and her brother? They sound awful.
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>>151331733
Japanese opinion was rather positive about their voices.
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>>151331733
their monotone voices are the best thing fuck you
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>>151331733
actually they did. Both are voiced by 10 year olds. Both 10 year olds were instructed to say their lines as monotone and robotic as possible.
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>>151330800
Animation sure got shitty and we even got QUALITY shots (Cocona and Papika in her gay armors). So this is what happens when the budget runs out...
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>>151330859
When it comes to fictional characters I don't think japan are as hung up on such issues as westerners.
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>>151331826
This is bait right?
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>>151331733
They are pretty good though
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>>151331822
11 and 14 actually.
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>>151331852
Do you even need to ask?
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I haven't seen enough discussion on this scene, even though it was odd as fuck.

We see Papika remember the past, when Evil Mimi tried leaving with Cocona and she followed them, and then we skip to some really weird scene with a younger Papika in some kind of tree-cell and she's visited by Cocona (yes, Cocona, since that was her voice and design). As soon as that scene was over, Papika seemed to have remembered something.

That scene wasn't some kind of metaphor or whatever, since it was very clearly a memory of Papika.

So, what do you guys think it was? Cocona shouldn't have met Papika until the scene in ep1, when Papika finds her.
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>>151331822
That certainly explains it.
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>>151331849
It's like this guy says in my experience >>151331084 they debate and disagree and have different opinions on how the relationship is and what they want from it but there is none of the aggression, hate, mocking or gloating really.

>>151331870
I dunno, enough people think smeared in-betweens are actually QUALITY.
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>>151329874
I heard there was loli slit in this anime. Was that true?

I'd look myself, but the archive's search function is down.
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>>151331932
Did you not see the spoilers yesterday with the storyboard scenes from the preview? We have a pretty good idea what that scene is about from those already.
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>>151331932
I think Papika got deaged and both spend some childhood time in PI. Or it's one mirror-image of Papika, like Mimis two halves, that just happens to be younger.
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>>151332018
Nope, care to spoil me?
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>>151332058
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>>151332056
I think it is almost certainly the first option.
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>>151332090
>>151332056
Especially since in the dream Mimi was always saying Welcome Back to Cocona meaning she was there before.
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>>151331860
Not at all
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>>151332075
Oh wow, that looks really retarded.

Flip Flappers confirmed for not recovering. That's too bad, I was hoping it'd be AOTS.
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>>151332155
What's wrong with them?
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>>151332058
>Cocona digs poor Papika out of her jail
>P: I owe her my life. She has my undying loyalty.
>P: Let's be the best friends forever.
>P: We are separated
>P: She is my lost love and savior. I have to find her.
>P: Wow I love her more than a friend now.
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>>151332197
Like anyone believes this is a genuine post.
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>>151332058
basic idea is that we believe that After Papika jumped after Mimi and Cocona when they left into PI, that Mimi trapped Papika and deaged her to an infant so that she could grow up the same age as Cocona and be a playmate for Cocona. After all, Papika was the best friend Mimi ever had- there could be no better playmate for her child.

Meanwhile Papika was trapped in this tree cell with no interaction with anyone or anything except when Cocona would come to visit her. Ironically, this puts Papika in the same exact situation that Mimi was in at the research facility- trapped and controlled, never getting to go outside of her "room". Then Cocona began playing with Papika, and was to Papika what Papika originally was to Mimi- and showed her the world outside her cell. They went on adventures, and eventually escaped or left PI somehow. Somehow, escaping PI caused them to lose their memories, and split Mimi into shards.
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>>151332075
>those marks in the wall
Wait, so Mimi deaged Papika until she was a baby, and just pretty much left her in a cell?
Savage.

Anyhow, how the hell did Cocona save her? Cocona shouldn't have been able to enter PI prior to meeting Papika in ep1.

That being said, we did see that tree-cell in Cocona's dreams.
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>>151332244
Of course not. Any post that doesn't jack off neo-FF == disingenuous. Obviously. Nobody can have negative opinions about this show, ever.
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>>151332253
>we believe
No, you believe.
>so that she could grow up the same age as Cocona and be a playmate for Cocona
EvilMimi was not doing this. Papika was a nuisance to evilMimi and got locked up.
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>>151332258
Cocona already was in PI when Mimi took her away.
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>>151332258
>Cocona shouldn't have been able to enter PI prior to meeting Papika in ep1
But Mimi took her with her to PI, stupid.
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>>151332258
i think the current theory is that the facility escape was only the first thing, and that what put everything in episode 1 into place is some sort of... second impact.
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>>151331962
Makes me wonder why westerners are so hostile compared to japanese fans. The jp side always seems a lot chiller, I don't see fanbase wars as bad as the west.
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>>151332258
Cocona definitely had entered PI before episode 1. Mimi always said Welcome Back in the dream and was holding her when Mimi turns to shards. Both her and Papika got sucked in together and they both had memory wipes when whatever happened that caused them to leave happened.
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>>151332258
Cocona was originally raised in PI alongside Mimi after she noped the fuck out of the research facility with infant Cocona in her arms.

Why do you think Mimi keeps repeating that PI was a world she created and shaped for Cocona? It wasnt until after Cocona helped Papika escape PI and lost her memories that Cocona was captured by the KKK and raised by "Grandma"
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>>151332344
/a/ users are very proud to be assholes and consider that the defining feature of the community. You can have non-confrontational fandom discussions pretty much anywhere that is not 4chan.
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>>151332308
Nothing to do with being negative. Nobody who has actually been following this show would expect anything less than Papika being deaged.

>>151332344
They do have a separate thread for shitposting and being extremely negative.
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>>151332364
There is a nice parallel here.
>KKK locked up Mimi and Papika to control them. Mimi and Papika broke out of KKK and got captured by KKK.
EvilMimi essentially turned into another KKK
>She locked up Papika and controlled Cocona from having her free will. Cocona and Papika broek out of her PI and got captured by evilMimi.
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>>151332455
>Nobody who has actually been following this show would expect anything less than Papika being deaged.
Sure, but now we have a million more questions raised about Cocona as well as the extra million more questions that being deaged to a baby in a hostile environment on her lonesome brings about Papika.

AND WE HAVE ONE EPISODE LEFT.
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>>151332455
>They do have a separate thread for shitposting and being extremely negative.

Yeah, because they don't want to have fights between the two factions. Nobody said anything about being negativity, but they're actively avoiding hostility between posters.
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>>151332432
Those non-confrontational discussions involve a lot of platitudes, apologizing for having an opinion, being censored for expressing a contrary opinion and generally walking on eggshells while powertripping regressives watch you like maladjusted hawks.

Induced consensus is no consensus and confrontation is a small price to pay for living in a world not made of thin glass.
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>>151332527
>now we have a million more questions raised about Cocona
How so? They clearly both escapes Pure Illusion somehow which will likely also be shown. It has been foreshadowed the entire show that she has been there before.
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>>151332344
The Jap culture emphasizes group harmony above all else, at the expense of some individuality and personal expression.

Western culture typically mandates that you always stand up for yourself and your beliefs- Be yourself, express yourself, change your destiny!

It also informs a difference in the educational system. In Japan, a lot of writing assignments are either expository or informational. In America, most writing assignments are designed to be argumentative essays or opinion pieces.

Liberal Arts and other "humanities" and social science based classes and subjects are greatly underrepresented in Japan, especially at a college level, where as that region of education is constantly growing in the West.

Its a singular small cultural difference that has a butterfly effect and causes a bunch of changes between the way Japs and the West communicate within their respective cultures.
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>>151332578
>Those non-confrontational discussions involve a lot of platitudes, apologizing for having an opinion, being censored for expressing a contrary opinion and generally walking on eggshells while powertripping regressives watch you like maladjusted hawks.

So it's like Japan then.
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>>151332313
>>151332318
>>151332337
>>151332354
>>151332364
I see, that seems rather solid.
However, in Cocona's case I doubt it was just a memory loss, since she never questioned her life, so in her case it would seem like she had her memories of her time in PI altered.

This also makes me wonder how Papika managed to recover her memories from her time with Mimi and Salt. Since she got deaged, she should have lost all her memories of her previous life. However, her memories were ultimately tied to Mimi's shards being collected.

The weirdest thing is that her memories from her previous life seemed to have returned before the ones from her current life.
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>>151332629
At this stage it's no longer feasible to expect the all how questions to be answered. I on'y care about questions that are relevant to characters' motivations.
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>>151330323
>I want a Uexkull phone strap.

This guy has his priorities straight.
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>>151332598
I'll remind you that she's shown looking as she currently does (a 13-year-old), while she has already been shown to have grown up in the normal world (episode 9).

The pacing in the next episode is going to make the pacing problems of this episode look like a fucking joke.
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>>151332704
I actually thought that would be a really cool piece of merch when I was translating too or a keyring or something.

>>151332724
Why do you find that problematic? We already know memories can be wiped and altered by meddling with Pure Illusion.
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>>151332724
She looks and sounds significantly younger. Maybe 7 or 8 or so.
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>>151332344
This is bullshit.
People troll a lot at 2ch and 2chan. The difference is Japanese aren't nowhere near as opinionated as Americans (yes, Americans, not Westerners - Americans always have the most strict opinion on things, not even Brits and Aussies get close).

Many of the formalities of Japanese culture go off the board on the Internet, which is why plenty of Japanese love it, as they can take out their usual cultural masks.

2ch also has a different system from 4chan. 4chan is rather anarchical in the way its users operate, whereas 2ch has a clear organisation on how they begin and continue discussions, which is why they have things such as anti-threads, in order to have shitstorms in any particular topic.
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>>151332258
>how the hell did Cocona save her
By hand holding and zero impedance?

If the memory that Cocona had saved Papika, Cocona would start to realize Papika is not some random girl from the street instead Papika is her special one who was long lost and always waiting for her.
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>>151332830
Yeah thats true, in terms on 2ch if you look in the sakuga thread there is tons of shitposting and mocking in that. In the actual show threads for Flip Flappers compared to here I would say the big difference is the almost complete lack of it which is explained by the anti threads.
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>>151332724
she looked younger to me. Around the same age and voice as the Yayaka flashbacks in Episode 9.
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>>151332830
That's untrue. The Japanese videogame community is worse than American videogame communities. They're the epitome of "they changed it so now it sucks".
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Even if Nyunyu feels like a discarded antagonist, I still appreciate the loli butt 3Hz.
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>>151333322
I genuinely like her. I don't even care if she does anything significant. It's funny to think that some people expected her to be a big bad or even Mimi back when we'd only seen her in the OP.
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>>151333127
Yeah, you are right.
When it comes down to purists, Japanese fans can be amongst the worst.
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>>151332212
Is this actual dialog, or did you just make it up?
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>>151333322
I love Nyunyu just for her interactions with Bu-chan.
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>>151333470
its just his speculah, its been around for about 3 threads now.
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>>151333470
it's a fanfic, alright?
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>>151333470
He made it up, but he has been posting it in every thread like it's not.
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>>151330323
>There is the possibility that the PV doesn't show the C-part at all.

What's a C-part? Maybe a dumb question.
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>>151333322
I'm not trying to meme but that outfit is truly ridiculous
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update on the Census!

Seems like we have 39 regulars,

2 are shitposters, 3 think the show is good, and the rest love love LOVE it.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11945170/r
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>>151333504
Shit I got identified. Is the speculah so shit? Because I don't see anyone making alternative speculahs.
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>>151333532
A part = act 1
B part = act 2
C part = act 3

Separated by the commercial breaks in Japan. He is suggested we havent seen anything that happens after the 2nd commercial break, the final third of the episode.
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>>151333533
It's nonsensical but then again so is her character. I think the KKK were drunk when they came up with her.
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>>151333553
its not bad, its just recognizable because its posted every thread. Whenever I see it I think "oh, its that guy again!"

Dont worry though, its not bad. Thats not how I think things will play out at all, but I dont hate it. The dialogue itself sounds super fanfic tier though.
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>>151333533
checked

Also prepare for bad Nyunyu cosplay from husky body types who delude themselves into thinking they're "petite"
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>>151333549
>strawpoll
>consensus of anything
These threads get more and more pathetic by the day.
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>>151333651
>Thats not how I think things will play out
What is yours? This ones >>151332253 ?
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>>151333601
Oh right. Like the preview hasn't spoiled everything if they didn't show part C because we don't get to see how the story finally ends.
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What are fellow FlipFlops watching next season?
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>>151333745
It does seem to be the prominent opinion that most people are positive about the show but wish some stuff was handled differently.
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>>151333810
What IS there to watch? Everything looks fucking terrible.
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>>151333773
Impressive!

Yep, that's me. I am also one of the people who has been doing my part to help explain some japanese culture/language stuff and some of the stuff that is going on with our 2ch equivalents. There is also at least one other person doing that in here as well. I am also the one running that Census Strawpoll.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11945170/r
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>>151333724
>implying anyone will cosplay anything from this show
>implying that if they do it will be anything besides papika/cocona or salt/hidaka
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>>151333810
LWA
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>>151333810
Only Gabriel Dropout looks good.
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>>151333793
yep, that's what they are suggesting.
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>>151333810
Original shows that will sell more than flip floppers like Akiba's Trip and HandShakers
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>>151333810
I might watch LWA, but if I do it won't be until near the end of the season, then I will marathon most of the episodes.
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>>151333851
LWA
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>>151333322
Too bad we'll never know anything about the KKK and whether they were full of pedos who like to dress kids like that.
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>>151333810
LWA and Konosuba guaranteed bare minimum. ACCA/School Strikers/Maidragon out of personal interest, Youjo Senki for memes and /k/. Haven't checked out the rest yet.
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>>151334009
Besides the obvious, I mean.
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>>151333986
Isn't Akiba's trip based off a game?
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>>151333810
Flip Flap is the last anime I will ever watch.
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>>151334077
Original story based off the game.
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>>151333986
Who the hell are going to care about those originals when they look worse than every adaption next season?
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>>151334077
Based on the concept but the characters and story are 100% new. This is the case with every new entry in the franchise.
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>>151333810
I'm gonna watch LWA and Maidragon but considering the studios involved in both them i don't think i'll be following the threads, probably Gabriel dropout will probably be the safest to follow for me.
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>>151333601
Don't TV anime usually only have one commercial break, and as such just an A- and B-part? Or is this somehow different for Flip Flappers?
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>>151333810
LWA is the only thing I am really all that hyped for but the threads on /a/ will inevitably be even more ruined by shitposting than even Flip Flappers and you really can't get that deeply into a show like that beyond things like appreciating the animation. I'll give ACCA a try for Shingo Natsume but I don't have high hopes for it. Maid Dragon looks like it will be a fun enough bit of light entertainment with good production values so I will watch that. Nothing else really has much appeal that I am aware of. There will be no Flip Flappers replacement unfortunately I think that I can spend hours and days just speculating about, making interesting observations on and discussing with like minded people on /a/.


>>151333986
Both of those look honestly awful.
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>>151333907
Great work overall.

I'm not sure what exactly you don't agree with in my speculah and frankly a lot of my "speculah" was just extrapolation from one or two core points because no one seemed interested in alternative speculahs.

I agree with pretty much all yours except Mimi's motivation (yes I was the one who disagreed.). I think if Papika became the best playmate of Cocona only because Mimi wanted so it's once again more deprivation of Papika's agency as a main character. I just want Papika's childlike action all long to be justified by her own volition. I want her to have made her own decision to pursue Cocona not because what Mimi had done.
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>>151333322
I may love Papika and Cocona more, but Nyunyu is built for taking loads.
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>>151334235

Anime has

>opening minute or two, then OP animation and song, then commercial break.

>first half of episode, then commercial break

>second half of episode, ED.
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>>151334308

I can understand your perspective on this, but I think Papika will still retain her agency even if she was "meant" to be a playmate for Cocona. Surely Mimi did not expect for them to escape, nor for Papika to come back these years later to try and take Cocona back from her.
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>>151333810
LWA and Rakugo. Maybe Maidragon and ACCA depending on their reception.
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>>151334333
Oh okay, then what is often called the B-part is actually the C-Part. Must be weird for shows that start with the OP and not a teaser though.
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>>151334433
Not him but I think it might depend on the show or channel too because I might be remembering this incorrectly but I think I have seen it on livestreams before where they have shown the after ED part after a commercial break.
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>>151334235
>>151334433
C-Part is a scene after the ED credits roll just like episode 1 with the robots kidnapping cocona scene.
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>>151334515
Considering the production committee usually books the whole slot and puts in their own advertisement, I assume they have quite some leeway on the details.
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>>151334555
Sometimes on final episodes they have the ED earlier though don't they? Then the C-part is like an extended epilogue.
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>>151333810
I'll be doing the same thing I do most every season and watching the first episode pf anything that looks like it could even be remotely interesting, dropping a few after that, giving everything else at least three, and maybe picking up a show here or there based on /a/ threads.

Definitely will be watching Rakugo 2, KonoSuba2, LWA, Ai Mai Mi 3. Almost definitely will stick with Maidragon, Gabriel Dropout looks good. Everything else will have to be determined once things get rolling.
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>Cockona
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Nyunyu is hot as hell
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>>151330997
>Pure Delinquent's design doesn't have any gradient on the legs. I wonder if that means anything?
>Is that what they call Yayakas henshin or something?
Yeah, there are a few posts calling it that. If you remember when Papika and Cocona first transformed they gave themselves "Pure" names. Yayaka didn't get one so I guessed they made it up to fit her character and the fact that Mimi said she was foul mouthed even as after transforming.

I liked this observation too
>The winning BGM played when Yayaka said "Flip Flapping!"
I think that was a really good use of that music by the staff there. It gave some real weight and feeling to the development Yayaka had made by owning her feelings.
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>>151334399
Ok I see your point now. My point was that Papika was subject to Mimi's cruelty. The playmate thing of yours can also be a more specific version of Mimi's cruelty, a perversion of her mother instinct which wanted to make a doll out of Papika. There isn't actually too much to disagree with.

The rest of my point is just trying to contextualize the nature of love in PapiCoco. Is it motherly love (the aunt thing), love of gratitude (jailbreak), love of duty (goodmimi's wish), or romance (SoL time together)?
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>>151335050
Bust-chan
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>>151334077
It's one of those in-name only adaptation.

The game is about stripping vampires nude so they will burn to death(?) in Akiba. The anime is a Persona rip-off.
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>>151334967
She needs more lewd fanart. She's perfect for being Papicoco's toy. Futanon please
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>>151334999
Why is Mimi such a bitch?
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>>151334999
>Is it motherly love (the aunt thing)

Before she deaged I am sure that is what it was.

>love of gratitude (jailbreak)

I think this might have been it at the start of her new life

>love of duty (goodmimi's wish)

I don't think this will have played much of a factor, unless it is revealed that Good Mimi is the one that split evil Mimi into shards and helped the girls escape PI.

> romance (SoL time together)

I think that is definitely the feeling Papika had since the start of the show but before getting her memories back. Whether or not we eventually get back to that or if it goes in a different direction all depends on episode 13.
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>>151335191
>I don't think this will have played much of a factor
I'm pretty sure Papika's wish is the same as what goodMimi had told her. Papika's wish is quite a factor to her character.
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>>151335236
Papika said her wish was a secret. She said this before she got any of her memories back. This ultimately depends on episode 13 reveals, but until we get explicit answers on this, I am assuming that Papika's wish was to regain her lost memories.
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>>151335292
But if she lost those memories how would she know to wish for them back? Salt could have given her a rundown on her life until that point I suppose
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>>151335292
I'm assuming Papika's wish is about Cocona and Cocona only.
In ep 9
>P: No! Our wishes won't come true without it! (ep 9)
In ep 11's character song
>My wish is still not realized
and also the fact that Papika was starting get her memories as early as in ep 7.
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>>151335336
I dont think Salt told her about her life, but I do think Salt might have let her know that she lost memories. Like I said, it all depends on episode 13.

inb4 her wish was something cute and innocent and lovey dovey, like "My wish is to spend the rest of my life with you!"
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>>151333810
>ACCA
>Demi-chan
>Granblue
>Maidragon
>KonoSuba
>Onihei
>Zesty Tails 2
>Youjo Senki
Only a few shows really stand out but these will get the 1-3 episode rule.
Also going to continue watching 3-gatsu.
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>>151335307
I know it will never be canon, but as a puppyfag, the amount of lewd fanart with those 2 is still frustrating.
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>>151335427
>something cute and innocent and lovey dovey
I just think these are already perfect as a wish
>I want her to choose her own path and live life the way she sees fit.
>I want her to have the freedom that [Mimi] never had.
Also after the flashback of the above lines, Papika immediate regained her kakugo. That says something about her determination (or the wish).
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>>151335292
I think the wish had to be something that, if she told Cocona, it might not come true.
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>>151335427
Her wish will be to raise a child with Cocona because she missed the chance to do so with Mimi. She wants to be a parent.
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>>151335141
>Papicoco's toy
>Not Yayaka fucking her silly out of frustration
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>>151335521
Because Papika isn't the type to keep secrets just for the fun of it.
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>>151335528
That works too. Nyunyu is built for getting fucked. She's only useful for her orifices
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>>151335292
I think if this pic and the PV have to say anything, it's that knew Cocona from when they met in PI as loli's and Cocona is the one who lost her memory after they escaped and were somehow split up. Still just speculah mind you.
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>>151335537
She'd probably feel bad and instantly reveal it, no matter what it was, even if the other party didn't express any disappointment.

And I don't mean for some magical reason-- it has to be some knowledge that if Cocona has, it would interfere. Either information about who Papika was looking for that Cocona might try to conform with, or maybe some information that might make her go looking for Mimi, which would be bad if she found evilMimi.
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>>151335834
How much time did Papika spend in the dicktree?
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>>151335922
It could have been decades. Salt might be 35, but he could just as easily be almost 50. Inside PI, neither Cocona or Papika might age.
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>>151332578
It's pretty obvious from this post that its your ego which is made of thin glass.

Learn to compromise, see things from other's perspective and meet in the middle while still maintaining your core principles. Because that's the only way to reach a consensus. If people just yell at each other then the best outcome possible is the majority opinion steamrolling the minority, which means everyone gets steamrolled eventually.
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>>151335942
Although, it's possible that even Papika being a loli right now might be an illusion grafted over reality by Mimi-- Papicake might physically still be there, going to middle school, taking showers and sleeping with a girl maybe 1/3rd her age, and nobody sees her as anything other than a loli.
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>>151334999
Evil Mimi evokes in Cocona the literal psychoanalytic Bad Mother, evoker of preoedipal fear of the annihilating and devouring maternal, the rejection of life's hardships by returning to the womb and being unborn. Similarly Evil Mimi as the Bad Mother is one that remains in a psychotic, symbiotic, liminal state, where she still sees her child as a part of herself and thus denies her of her agency. She, self-identified as a mother, is defined by the child.
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>>151334999
>love of duty (goodmimi's wish)
I'm not sure I can agree on the idea that Evil Mimi wanted to keep Papika as a playmate for Cocona.

In the storyboards, we can see Papika was pretty much counting the days she spent in the cell (the marks on the wall). I doubt she would have done that had she, at least, had had some degree of freedom and be allowed to play with Cocona.
Consider that when Papika was a prisoner for the KKK she didn't even seem half as miserable as she seems to be under Evil Mimi, as she did have some degree of freedom (allowed to go out of her "room", allowed/made to play with Mimi, allowed to go outside the building, allowed to go to PI). So, I doubt her marking the wall was just a sign of impatience, but a sign of her having absolutely no freedom in the slightest and very likely no life at all.

Furthermore, during Papika's flashback in ep12, Papika didn't seem to have met Cocona before, and both of them seemed to be around 7-10 years old. So, if by that time they didn't know each other, I don't think Evil Mimi planned on having Papika become a playmate for Cocona - otherwise, she would probably have raised them both.
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>>151335999
>triple 9s

I think you are right anon.
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>>151329874
Nyunyu is Mimi's goodness
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>>151335834
It still has to tie up the two facts: 1) Papika didn't remember Mimi; 2) Papika remembered her wish (which is obviously not to meet Cocona per se).
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>>151336185
> Papika didn't remember Mimi

I assume at the point in the pic her memories were erased, her first new memory after being imprisoned was meeting Cocona.

>2 Papika remembered her wish (which is obviously not to meet Cocona per se).

Following from my first answer, maybe her wish was for Cocona to remember? i dunno honestly.

Also >>151335922 look at >>151332075
wanna count the markings on the wall?
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>>151336087
I'll give Nyunyu my goodness if you know what I mean
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>>151336359
The number of markings on the wall might be to exact presentation of time elapsed. Many of the markings are not fives which indicate the laziness of storyboarder or just how Papika has lost hope in making those markings accurately.
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>>151336457
*might not
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>>151335449
I think for artists who like the main pairing drawing CocoPuppy lewds would feel like usurping or tainting the actual romance you are seeing on screen, or putting it another way they feel pressure to stay in character which leads them to draw cute stuff or nothing at all.

Whereas Yayafags feel no such pressure since Cocoyaya is out of character by default so they go straight to lewd.
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>>151336393
Wouldn't you just be pure evil?
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>>151335953
>Learn to compromise, see things from other's perspective and meet in the middle while still maintaining your core principles.
I refuse.
Deal with it.
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Over the Rainbow is totally gonna play during a montage of Cocona and Papika playing in PI together as children after Cocona frees Papika from the penis tree.
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>Papika delivered Cocona from Mimi's womb
>Cocona freed Papika from Mimi's tree-penis
I think this romance is getting too Freud for me.
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>>151336653
She's a good girl so she gets a present. I don't see how that's evil.
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>>151336810
You think thats bad, check this out: >>151335999
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>>151330323
>Even after falling off my bike I will try to play it cool infront of a girl.
Fucking lost my shit, I was thinking this exact thing when it happened. I'm glad that across borders, countries, and even continents there are still people who make the same jokes and say the same things, though I suppose this whole post is a testament to that.
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for what purpose was this show made?
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>>151336910
To pander to me specifically.
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dubs
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>>151336910
I think it was a labor of love and passion by Oshiyama and 3hz. I think they just said "fuck it, lets make the anime we always wanted to make and not give a single shit about sales or public reception or anything else, lets just make what we love and want!"

And I think that passion is a big part of why so many people are attracted to and have fallen in love with the show. I also think this is also part of the reason why some people really dislike the show.
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>>151337033
speaking of people falling in love with the show, this is gonna be my last update for the night: The census so far has recorded 56 votes.

out of that 56, 46 love love LOVE Flip Flappers.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11945170/r
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>>151333810
LWA, Rakugo and KonoSuba are the only ones I'm interested in so far. Everything else is either shit or unknown.
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>>151337033
It was paid for and produced by Infinite, who are more than likely responsible for the abundance of resources that were made available to 3Hz and the fact that both an unproven director and noname studio were given a chance to make something great. Infinite has a track record of funding arthouse originals like this.

It's very likely that the end goal was prestige rather than profits.
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at least I tried
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>>151336910
To be the debut of Oshiyama's work. It's rare to have the opportunity to see a director's debut work and you can be ensured that Oshiyama has poured all of his heart into this work.
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>>151337209
Okay that's prerry good but can't tell what is going on there. Why is Papika stealing Cocona from Mimi?
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>>151337209
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When Oshiyama pitched his original concept for this show to the higher ups, I wonder if he included the bit about Papika being a de-aged christmas cake pedo that helped deliver Cocona and then forgot.
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>>151337264
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You know what, I think FliFla is going to pull a Marnie on us when it comes to any romance. Everyone kept thinking Marnie was yuri, they even had the girls shout their love for another and in the end they pulled a "she was actually the other character's family member and the love was always platonic you sick incestfags".
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>>151337153
Infinite wouldn't have paid for anything. They aren't that kind of company. Their major job is to pitch ideas to the companies that actually pay for it and then deal with normal production tasks. The major stakeholders in this show are mostly Bandai owned firms.
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>>151337311
>No Salt
As expected
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>>151337311
Papika disappearance confirmed?
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>>151337410
We have been saying Peter Pan for some time but a happy end is as viable as I would think.
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>>151336680
That's fine. just don't pretend that self-indulgence is superior to making an effort to get along with others.

Also you should learn some game theory. Co-operation is more rewarding then betrayal in the long run.

If pre-KKK made more of an effort to see things from Mimi's perspective then they probably wouldn't have triggered evilMimi and gotten btfo.
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>>151337153
I think for Oshiyama and co. though, I think its a labor of love and passion. Still, its really fortunate that publishers like Infinite exist to fund stuff that isn't necessarily profitable.
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>>151337311
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>>151337261
It's goodmimi giving Cocona to Papika to keep her safe from evilmimi I think.
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>>151337524
Probably some DPI stuff and Salt's self-sacrifice
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>>151337524
holy fuck, I got massive feels just looking at that.
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>>151337524
Why did they have to spoil everything in the preview? Unless this is some huge bait and switch and none of those images are going to be relevant?
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>>151337538
Well that's reasonable as to why evilmimi put Papika into the jail: "how dare you separate me from my daughter" - thaat is in character
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>Flip Flappers ends in canon romance but also tragedy

Would it be AOTYAY?
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>>151337603
It's my AOTY as I ordered its BDs
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>>151337524

I think they escaped the PI by touching each other's hand.
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>>151337603
As much as I hate to admit it, that would be the ideal ending for me.

But it would have to involve kissu.
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>>151337089
See if we were on episode 5/6, it would be 100% love. Truly feeling that writer change for real
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>>151337594
I believe they didn't show us the most important parts.
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>>151337666
Checked that

So even Satan-sempai wants a kissu ending huh?
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>>151329874
>Is Nyunyu going to pull something before the end?
Hopefully some pants on.
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>>151337665
I agree. That's what I've been saying. Touching hands any getting zero impedance causing PI to explode
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>>151337603
Romantic and Bittersweet is a tried and true method of story conclusions, i wouldn't it at all.
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>>151337760
Just as KnM, it would cement it as yuri of the decade for me
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>>151337775
KnM was hilariously terrible though. Chikane was the only character I wanted to see live.
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>>151337474
Infinite aren't a publisher and they didn't fund this show. Infinite are a production/planning company run by Takayuki Nagatani who used to be a producer at Bandai Visual. They use those kinds of connections to get funding for anime from companies that actually end up on production committees by pitching ideas to those companies like Bandai in this case (Happinet, Lantis etc).
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>>151337603
I think we're heading toward an ideal ending as we know. Truly Oshiyama is the master who crafted this masterpiece for us
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>>151337760
No. Fuck this Blue Drop shit, I want them to be happy for once.
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>>151337826
So it's just like Flip Flappers then?
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>>151337826
Just speaking of yuri elements per se, a tragic ending packs the same level of emotional punches as KnM.
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>>151337879
>>151337826
>yfw flip flappers discussion will always bring up the age-gap thing just like KNM discussion is always about rape.
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>>151336496
>they feel pressure to stay in character
Dude, we've got actual scenes, in the anime, with a version of Papika (Papina) trying to do "fun" things with Cocona.

We also have Papika sucking on Cocona's fingers.
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>>151337828
Just saying Takayuki Nagatani has got great eyes spotting the talent in Oshiyama in presenting the greatest yuri story ever told.
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>>151337923
>Papina trying to do "fun" things with Cocona
Which was rejected by Cocona because Papina was out of character.
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>>151337603
>papika starts disappearing slowly
>crying cocona holds onto her, not wanting to let go
>papika holds back tears and smiles
>reassures her that it's alright
>"let's have another adventure some day, cocona!"
>cocona falls to the floor as she reaches out to nothing
>all of a sudden papika manages to gather enough strength to appear again
>kisses cockona's forehead tenderly
>"I'll find you, papika! i promise! papika! i lo-"
>silence as papika disappears for good
>cue audience crying and pretending this isn't a girl who leapt through time ripoff
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>>151337945
Yeah not denying they don't manage to put some great shows together. They're a very important part of getting productions like this off of the ground. Without connections to funding and such this kind of thing would never happen. Imagine some newbie director just showing up and pitching some idea and getting it made? Probably not.
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>>151337987
>"I'll find you, papika! i promise! papika! i lo-"
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>>151337987
I would be heartbroken and remember the story for life.
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>>151337987
No flowers for 3hz
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>>151337966
I don't think she rejected her because she was out of character (all versions of Papika were shown to share some traits of her to a degree). My impression was Cocona rejected Papina, because she wanted to real thing (i.e. the full package, not just one side of Papika).
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>>151337879
Even if episode 12 was rushed Flip Flappers is hundreds of times better than KnM.
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>>151332075
Is this supposed to be literal or symbolic?
Why does Cocona not remember it?
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>>151338145
Papika's hair is long in the first frame. I think there's a good chance this is actually the future, not past. Maybe it's how Cocona gets her Papika back after >>151337311
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>>151338248
Or a combination of future and past that happens in Deep PI similar to ep6.
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>>151338145
The difference between "literal" and "symbolic" is pretty irrelevant in this show, especially when PIs are concerned.
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>>151338398
3hz please deliver
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>>151337987
>Post-credits scene
>Some 2-3 years have passed
>Cocona is shown waiting for Papika
>"Cooooooooooocooooooooonaaaaaaaa!"
>hug and kissu
>Cocona: "I'll never let go of Papika again!"
>Papika: "And I'll never go away again!"
>The End
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The storyboards were drawn months ago, maybe Oshiyama decided to cut adult Papika's hair.

Papika shouldn't have long hair here >>151337209
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>>151337987
>>151338510

This will now be my headcanon until the final episode, to help me sleep at night.
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>>151338398
>Cocona: "I'll never let go of Cocona again!"

So this is some kind of horrifying ending where Mimi and Cocona fuse into a single entity?
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>>151338578
I am ok with Mimi and Cocona existing as a singular entity, so long as YYK will be ok.
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>>151338578
Nah, I originally wrote that line for Papika, since that's the line she said in ep4, but thought it would fit a lot better if I switched their lines - but I forgot to edit the text.
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>>151338654
For a second there I thought the mods got you. 9 anons just got publicly executed in one thread.
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>>151338704
Where?
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>>151338704
What thread, that's something I want to see.
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>>151338731
>>151338737
search the catalog for "user was banned" and you'll see it
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>>151338778
Maybe that was the schizo shitposter?
You know, the one who believes everyone is some Akemi tripfag.
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>>151338778
hahaha fucking what
that's the kind of insanity you almost don't see anymore on /a/, well done mods
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>>151337603
i finally got tired of no one posting the full image and looked it up

>pubes, blush, arch, stockings, breath, eating
thank you based futanon
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>>151337594
I dont think they expected everyone to screen cap frame by frame, invert the colors, and post a collage.
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>>151338891
Oh come on, when you put something like that out you know there's going to be at least ONE autist who's going to do it.
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>>151338891
I find it hard to believe that they would have this little understanding of the internet and the people therein.

More likely they just thought anyone autistic enough to actually do it deserves it.
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I... I wrote a song for Cocona.

You are my Cocona
My only Cocona
You make me happy
When skies are grey
You'll never know, dear
How much I love you
Please don't take my Cocona away

I hope she'll like it.
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>>151338886
Don't forget the best part
>sheet_grab
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>>151338982
jesus christ the progression
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I want to FUCK Yayaka.
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>>151339030
I want Cocona to be my christmas present.
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>>151332611
I always learn something in Flip Flap threads
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>>151339030
Cute as fuck. I can see why everyone is obsessed with Cocona.
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>>151337445
>just don't pretend that self-indulgence is superior to making an effort to get along with others.
But it is. In fact, conflict is the best way of getting along with others. The only thing self-indulgent here is your thinking that appealing to an authority to impose consensus over your preference because you literally cannot handle conflict or opposing worldviews yourself is somehow justifiable. It is epistemologically desirable for the correct view to be challenged, and a correct view which is unchallenged is inherently less valuable.

But you limp-dicked concession monkeys don't even care about value or right or wrong. You just want to be on the right side of the iron curtain and have an authoritarian mommy state validate your herd mentality by victimizing anyone who doesn't follow suit. Your consensus is paper-thin groupthink that exists in a vacuum where it's carefully protected by individuals crying that each and every contrary opinion is a personal attack, and thereby a victimization, and relies on an authority that panders to your frail ego and narrowminded view of the world.

Also you're a faggot.
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>>151332611
Japan is struggling right now with their inability to articulate their position viciously even diplomatically at that, never mind individually. I wonder if they themselves are as apprehensive about this as US with most students not getting any real education until they hit the workforce.
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>>151339163
>But you limp-dicked concession monkeys don't even care about value or right or wrong. You just want to be on the right side of the iron curtain and have an authoritarian mommy state validate your herd mentality by victimizing anyone who doesn't follow suit. Your consensus is paper-thin groupthink that exists in a vacuum where it's carefully protected by individuals crying that each and every contrary opinion is a personal attack, and thereby a victimization, and relies on an authority that panders to your frail ego and narrowminded view of the world.
To be fair, what you just described sounds more like a Western thing than an Eastern thing.
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>>151339030
[heavy panting]
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>>151339163
>being a dick is not only convenient, but also a moral imperative

yeah nah
you're just a cunt hth
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>>151339163
>This is being posted in a thread for a chinese cartoon about magical dykes
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I hope the last episode has Salt and Mimi reconcile, they deserve their happy ending.
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>>151339361
Papika is a genius.
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>>151339030
I don't know if I want to be Papika and have a Cocona or be Cocona and have a Papika more.

This is the stuff philosophers spend their lives pondering.
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>>151338886
where's the full image?
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>>151335953
>Learn to compromise, see things from other's perspective and meet in the middle while still maintaining your core principles. Because that's the only way to reach a consensus
Are you trying to tell me not to be an anarcho-capitalist? Fuck off faggot. I don't give a shit what works best.
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>>151337635
>670 bucks
Jesus, maybe Ill just buy the first volume just to support the creators.
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>>151337635
jesus, is that just for 1 volume or the whole series? 700$ is steep for 1 volume isn't it?
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>>151337524
Why must Salt suffer so? What did he do wrong?
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>>151339761
That's limited edition of the whole series.
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>>151339377
Simple, are you a dom or a sub?
Dom? You want to be Papika and have a Cocona.
Sub? You want to be Cocona and have a Papika.

But, since you're just a fag, you get none.
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>>151339761
That is the whole series and also a framed a3 print of a drawing by the animation director signed by Papika and Cocona's VAs along with some other bonuses.
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>>151339825
well if thats the case then the price would be totally worth it. I would buy it but I dont have the yens to afford it. Maybe when I am in Japan next year I can hopefully find it in some shop and grab it.
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>>151339471
search the archive, all the clues you need are in the past 1 or 2 threads.
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>>151339847
>Papika
>dom
wat
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>>151337635
>>151339761
>>151339825
>>151339857
>$700 on Chinese cartoons
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Why are people saying the ending of this shits the bed? It wasn't that bad, it could have been a lot better but it was fine
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>>151339879
She's always the active one. She's the one dragging Cocona around. She's also always the one holding Cocona.

So, Papika is the dom/top.
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>>151339898
Well it's his money. He can do whatever he wants with it
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>>151339923
I believe that is the common opinion there has been a lot of shitpost spamming in this show for a long time.
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>>151339923
We have a "census" floating around.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11945170/r

Seems like there are only 3 or so people that actually hate the show. These are the shitposters most likely. The overwhelming majority here love the show.
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>>151339949
True, I'm not so much laughing at the guy, but laughing at the system that makes it that people think it's okay to wilfully pay for overpriced stuff (especially considering much of this money goes to some rich people, rather than the people who actually worked to create this work).

But hey, that's not a discussion to be had on /a/.
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>>151339997
This poll is questionable even if it's evident that there are a few dedicated shitposters
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>>151339847
What if I want to switch depending on the mood? I really want to dom Papika but I'd let her fuck me no hesitation. She would probably be down for anything so I'll choose to be Cocona and live all my perverted fantasies with my pup.
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>>151340152
Then you can just be a Power Bottom.
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>>151339369
What is Mimi now anyway? Is she a ghost? Totally merged with Pure Illusion or is she a normal human who happens to be able to manipulate PI but otherwise can separate from it and return to the real world if she feels like it?
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>>151340024
number of votes almost matches the number of unique posters in the thread. I would say its pretty accurate.
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>>151340024
All strawpolls are questionable by nature but even the one posted during the threads directly after it aired when hysteria and shitposters are at their peak came out favourable on the whole.
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>>151340180
No idea, we don't even know why she even became crystals.
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It is just past midnight where I am at. Just wanted to wish all of my fellow flip flappers a happy christmas eve.
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>>151340174
I want my face to be crushed by Papika's powerful bottom. Know what I mean?
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>>151331166
>>151330494
Gondola-San
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>>151340295
>imbeeedanz
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>>151340245
>we don't even know why she even became crystals
Did you watch the show? She became shards because she gave herself over to Evil Mimi to protect Cocona from the research group.
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>>151340024
Strawpolls are usually them most notable for the votes they don't get than for those they do. It's interesting that despite lots of vocal hate, there are very few votes for the hate option. If they can't even be bothered to reset their router to multi-vote, clearly they're not very passionate about hating it.
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WTF I love the amorphous children now
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>>151340285
Happy holidays

>>151340354
>now
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>>151337868
Rinne no Langrange had a happy ending. But no one watched that.
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>>151340425
Still waiting for underwater
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>>151340325
I do, but I don't recall seeing what you've just described.
When Mimi switched with Evil Mimi, her body was the same.
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>>151339369
Can't wait for that.
Especially for a moment where a heartbroken Sayuri kills herself
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>>151340354
They were always cool, but it's also nice to see them changing a bit. I want Yayaka to be their loving older sister.
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>>151340383
>*Merry Christmas
This is a christian image board after all. It sucks knowing that I won't be opening a FlipFlap BD volume tomorrow.
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>>151340383
I was starting to like them in E09 but Yuyu going nuclear and imitating Yayaka brought them to a whole new level.
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>>151340487
Fuck off NTRfag
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>>151340473
That is pretty much exactly how it happens. Mimi switches, tenatacles fly everywhere, she is there hugging Cocona, says she doesn't need anyone as long as Cocona is protected, turns to shards as Papika jumps in.
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>>151340533
Yuyu calling Toto onii-chan was moe.
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>>151340285
merry flapmas, anon!
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>>151340502
Yayaka takes care of Toto and Yuyu and NyuNyu becomes assistant to Hidaka.
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>>151340425
Rinne no Lagrange dropped its romance subplot in favor of friendship bullshit and also had an awful S2.
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>>151340612
That, too. Also I just realized they called Cocona onee-chan because Mimi was "amorphous child zero".
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>>151339898
Big deal i have roughly $1500 on this show right now.
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>>151340640
カジカジ
カジカジ
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>>151340285
>>151340383
>>151340640

Merry Christmas
Its been great shitposting with yall
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>>151340677
What the fuck is the other 800? I can't imagine the figure is that expensive.
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>>151340577
But she was never shown turning into shards.
She's shown saying she's sorry, and then Papika jumps in.

There's some odd FX that is played around that time (that sounds like something breaking), but that FX is played after Papika jumps in.

However, even if we go by the sound, nothing was shown, so you're just assuming Mimi turned into crystals at that moment.
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>>151340208
>>151340338
>strawpolls
>reliable
You are all incredibly desperate now. Like holy shit.
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>>151340699
Some people buy multiple copies of things they dont even need to literally donate.
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>>151340677
>>151340677
If I had the money, I wouldnt have spent it any other way
Good job anon, you made me proud
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So if putting a person in ELPIS opens a psy gate into their mind...where did Senpai's gate come from?
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>>151340724
How do you think Salt is left there with a shard in his hand afterwards?
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>>151340759
Senpai is Mimi's physical body, transformed to avoid being seen or sensed by Papika
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>>151340725
That's not what I said
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>>151340699

>>151340728 <this, also multiples of OP, ED and OST plus the figure is a large size and done by medicos, it's not gonna be cheap.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elpis

>Prometheus had – fearing further reprisals – warned his brother Epimetheus not to accept any gifts from Zeus. But Epimetheus did not listen; he accepted Pandora, who promptly scattered the contents of her jar. As a result, Hesiod tells us, "the earth and sea are full of evils" (101). One item, however, did not escape the jar (96–99), hope
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>>151340759
Each PI is a person's mind.
The PI that the character's explore is actually the most safe and superficial layer of that PI. The PI in reality is complex, abstract and multilayered. Just like their mind.
Each PI has a gate of some kind, hidden somewhere, that crosses into a deeper and much more vulnerable layer.

In the flashback, they entered the mind of Salt's dad via the ELPIS and wandered around aimlessly, exploring, until they just so happened to accidentally stumble on a gate leading deeper into his mind.

In episode 6, Cocona and Papika happen to coincidentally enter Iroha's PI because Iroha's PI happens to coincidentally have a shard in it. While there, they accidentally stumble on the gate to the deeper layer by completely random chance, just like Mimi and Papikana accidentally stumbled on the gate in the PI from the flashback.

There was no particular reason why they ended up finding Iroha's PI except for the fact that Iroha's PI had a shard in it, and there's no particular reason Iroha's PI had a shard except pure coincidence, which is essentially just narrative convenience.
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>>151340728
Well good on them. I'm one step away from preordering myself.
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>>151340903
I want off this wild ride! This is some Kojima level fuckery now.....augghghagagh
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>>151340759
They implied that ELPIS doesn't create the gate, it just forces the travellers into a specific person's mind.
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>>151340903
perfect
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>>151340775
Oh yes, you might be correct.
But then I wonder why, when Mimi called all the crystals onto Cocona's body, that one didn't go.
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>>151340925
>Each PI is a person's mind.
I agree with everything but this. This isn't exactly true and I'm not sure if we'll even get a detailed explanation of how PI works. Hidaka says PI is an idea world of relationships, individuals, and basically anything that exists. It's like the Umwelt of the universe or a god like being/force. Like you said there are layers with a particular meaning or context(like a person's mind) and that's what we've seen but it can be vague like in episodes 1, 3, 5, and maybe 8 since it was 2 'people' (bu and Hidaka), not just one.
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>>151340775
There was the implication later on that shards are not literally pieces of mimi, but rather her tears (the shard Salt gives to Yayaka is one of her tears). Still, could be both.
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>>151341158
I believe the tear that Mimi cries whilst she is on him releases a crystal.

>>151341245
I took that as being a specific instant where in the good side of Mimi forced a help out of Cocona's body for Salt.
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>>151341215
its pretty much the collective unconscious as described by Carl Jung. A lot of Carl Jung's work could be successfuly applied to this shows lore. Also, as someone who dabbled in Tulpa stuff before, I can tell you that some PI stuff lines up with Tulpa Theories as well. (tulpa stuff is generally very congruent with Carl Jungs psychology)
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>>151341215
This is true (and it's by far the best way to explain a number of PIs), but "relationship" is so vague that it can mean anything. Especially since the ELPIS system explicitly DOES put you into a specific person's mind, namely the one inside ELPIS. Maybe relationship in that case just means something like "relationship with themselves" or "relationship with the world in general".
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>>151341325
>but "relationship" is so vague that it can mean anything
IMO I think that's the point but we'll never truly understand it I suppose.
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>>151340925
I thought it was neat that Papika was the one who tried to stop Mimi from going into DPI originally. She found Iroha's and was the first one to be pulled in with Cocona.
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>>151341348
>has no one to immediately blame for this so she just starts flipping out and pointing her gun around randomly
Yuyu has issues
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>>151341325
I dont think any of the characters even understand the nature of PI, thats why it was being researched in the first place.
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>>151341289
If Mimi's tears become amorphous does that also hold true for when she lactates? I think Flip Flap can make a killing if they milk her for those precious stones.
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>>151341383
There's another directors talk after the show airs and they said it would be an opportunity to find out some mysteries when it was advertised so I'll be looking out for reports from that on 2ch and twitter when it happens.
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>>151333810
If the FlipFlap finale sucks, I will never watch anime again.
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>>151341414
>has a small superficial scratch above his ear
>passes out
Toto has bigger issues
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>>151341420
Okay that's enough
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>>151341420
How do you think Cocona ended up with one inside her?
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>>151341482
But anon, isn't it a valid question? And on that note, since Cocona is her offspring would the same apply to her? What if we clone Mimis and Coconas to milk them for eternity? This is a serious issue and I'm surprised the researchers and KKK never found out about this.
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What part of "Don't forget you're here forever" don't you understand?
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>>151341464
nah, its the big wound that papika gave him in episode 9 that has reoppened. She like blew open his skull and you could see inside his head (he seems to be part robot)

Pic related.
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>>151341574
>implying that you have to watch anime to shitpost on /a/
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>>151341613
That's his headgear, anon. It just got a bit damaged.
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>>151340759
My legs are okay
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>>151341640
I feel like Yayacoco would have a lot of foot play in bed.
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>>151341652
sure, and Yuyu's arm is just "armgear"

They are part cyborgs, KKK has been modding themselves into robots.
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Is there anyone in this thread who fucking hated this latest episode but still has hope for the final episode?

Share some of that positivity with me, please.
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How can one anime have such a great OP/ED combo?
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>>151341729
No positivity for you, Anon. I liked episode 12.
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>>151341739
It's rare as fuck. The ED could have been EDOTY if it wasn't for Mahou Shoujo THE EDGE. Still rare to nail both OP and ED.
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>>151341729
How can you fucking hate this?
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>>151341729
I liked episode 12 and have hope for episode 13.
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>>151341729
Episode 12 was great, Yayaka shouting for Cocona during henshin is one of the best moments in the show so far.
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>>151341729
The ending will be Peter Pan with a copout because muh love brings back Papika even though they are going to set it up so that they can't see each other again. Whether that's hope or despair, you decide.
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I am loco for coco
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>>151341729

In Episode 13 Salt is going to use the ELPIS device. Elpis literally means HOPE, and was the one good thing that remained after the evils of Pandora's box was released into the world. >>151340903


If Salt has hope, even after all the shit he has been through, then you can too anon!

I liked episode 12. I felt like it was the weakest thus far, but I still felt it was pretty good. My only issue with it was that the animation was a downgrade on certain scenes, and the pacing in the final 4 minutes wasn't very good.
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Cute boy.
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>>151341915
I want to date him romantically.
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>>151341908
I said "oh no!"
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>>151341784
I feel so bad for YYK. I hope she gets a saint saya powerup at the last episode too.
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>>151341784
Yayaka's henshin was amazing, but it was a waste of time (maybe "waste" is too strong a word, since the scene was, at least, entertaining), considering she was already a fully developed side character, and that the main characters are seriously lacking on development.
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>>151341908
guess you can say you're...coconuts
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>>151341951
NOT ME

I NEVER LOST CONTROL

YOUR FACE

TO FACE

WITH THE MAN WHO SOLD THE WORLD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLoytewvn0g
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>>151341781
>Mahou Shoujo THE EDGE
Is this the Witch in WWII anime? Or is it something else?
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>>151342034
probably MSIK, since that actually has a non-shit ED.

I would still say that FLIP FLAP FLIP FLAP is a lot better though.
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>>151341908
I want to commit a crime.
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>>151341966
It also become useless pretty quickly, and I doubt she'll do anything other than sit on the sidelines yet episode.
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>>151342092
I know people refer to Papika as a dog but it's Cocona who I want to put a dog collar on and bully.
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>>151342137
Judging by the PV that doesn't look like the case. There was a shot of Uexkull as a man again carrying Yayaka under his arm.
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>>151341325
I think the implication here is that it opens the gate to the subject's DPI and directs the divers to a PI that contains that gate.

At this point the researchers themselves probably had no idea that there was a difference between a normal PI and the DPI that Elpis was targeting.

Keep in mind that the KKK later develops a co-ordinate system for normal PI that does not work with DPI, so they are very different phenomena.
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>>151342169
>there was a shot her getting carried away from the action by Uexkull
That sure makes me feel better.
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>>151342248
Who said anything about carried away from action?
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>>151342198
>it opens the gate to the subject's DPI
Well, the gate seems to open on its own once you approach it, so that distinction is probably splitting hairs. All that matters is that ELPIS helps people find it.
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>>151342169
calling it now that uexkull dies
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>>151341692
>KKK has been modding themselves into robots.
Probably this. The last KKK redshirt makes a mechanical shutdown noise when he dies after Yuyu tells him to go stuff himself.
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>>151342287
He survived the third impact, I don't think it's possible for him to die at this point.
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>>151342275
Well, considering she was incapacitated and the end of the latest episode I figured that's the most likely scenario.
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>>151342327
he also has the same red light eye as all the faceless robo soldiers had.
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>>151342169
She also is reaching out shouting (COCONA!), it's probably the escape from PI sequence.
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I got catching up with this show instead of socializing with my family for the next two days for myself for Christmas. Was I naughty or nice?
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>>151341956
I don't. The show-stealing bitch and her NTR subplot basically ruined fliflappers.
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Did Good Mimi actually appear out of thin air to give Coconuts a pep talk, or did Coco just imagine her?
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What did the KKK mean by "the amorphous children"? Are they clones? Cyborgs? Kidnapped?
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>>151342398
She is definitely doing something.
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>>151342285
But the line literally says
>we can "open" the PI
While showing a picture of an open gate.
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>>151342451
I don't think Cocona would imagine her mom giving her a pep talk. GoodMimi is able to show herself when BadMimi is weak and emotional.
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>>151342386
Come to think, there was a lot of blood splashed around the facility after Mimi went nova, so maybe they were surviving researcher who needed a lot of prosthetics.
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>>151342363
Here she is again with Cocona.
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>>151342198
I still wonder what the deal with this PI is. The red plants make me think of radiation, because that's also what a tardigrade could survive.
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>>151342451
Did you catch the part where evil Mimi's disposition changed and she asked "why are you here?" while looking over at something past Papika?

Like before, good Mimi comes out when evil Mimi gets too emotional and loses her composure. Evil Mimi was so provoked by Papika's audacious challenge that she let good Mimi slip. All good Mimi had to do was remind Cocona that she was in control and making choices. Cocona decided for herself that choosing to let her mother do everything while the friends she cared for were struggling for her sake wasn't the choice she wanted to make. The point was that Mimi never really had any power over Cocona beyond what Cocona was willing to consciously concede.
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>>151342463
Yayaka explained it in episode 10, they're genetically engineered with amorphous powers but they also appear to be able to live normal lives.
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Here it is.
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Mimi is the BIBA of Flip Flappers.
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>>151342679
She's nowhere near as bad as Biba was.
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>>151342657
>Best boy and best girl pairing up
I'm actually a little hype now.
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>>151342656
>genetically engineered with amorphous powers
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
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>>151337735
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>>151342657
The speech bubble doesn't seem to say Cocona unless there is more further off to the right.
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>>151342722
That they edited genetic material in order to create children with amorphous abilities?
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>>151342679
Except Mimi is actually a great character and a solid villain. Any problems in the story that coincided with her introduction are purely a product of way the transition to 3rd act was handled and not the fault of her introduction, her character or her role as the villain.

She's actually one of the better villains of the year. Her character writing has been one of the show's highlights, and her own inner struggle really makes the conflict interesting.
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>>151342679
You're not a Bieber unless everyone in the show trusts you for no reason.
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>>151342722
Probably, that they're children engineered to have some of Mimi's powers (to a very minor, minor degree - probably limited to being able to enter PI).
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>>151342775
>genetic engineering
>magical abilities
I still don't understand. What genes were they editing? The "magical girl" genes?
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>>151342779
The problem with Evil Mimi is that she was introduced far too late, at a time when the original antagonists hadn't done much yet.

The problem is that they added to many things for a story that was supposed to be told in 1-cour.

Imagine if, in PMMM, they decided to change villains by ep9. That would have been a mess, even if the new villain was great.
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>>151342825
How are we supposed to know that? The show doesn't go into it any deeper.
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>>151342825
Probably the ones that made Mimi special.
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>>151342884
>Imagine if, in PMMM, they decided to change villains by ep9.

That show didn't really have "villains" as such (well there was QB, but he's not much of an actual antagonist, plus witches of the week which obviously changed a lot already), and it did change everything in episode 10.
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>>151342779
I'm not really seeing much of an inner struggle when the sides of her that would be struggling with each other are split clean in half.
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>>151342825
Amorphous abilities come from Mimi's genes. She was the original one to express the trait, and it's clearly genetic since it also affected her daughter. Basically they spliced testube babies with Mimi genes to give them some amorphous aptitude that would ensure they could travel to PI safely. In Yayaka, they attempted to induce some expression of the trait through implantation in already living youth, but it failed in literally every attempt except Yayaka.

Apparently some expression of amorphous aptitude must be present for the subject to survive entering PI. Mimi is a special case in that she has so much aptitude she might as well be the God of PI, while cases like Papika are a mystery as their existence seems to imply that amorphous aptitude can be found randomly in samples of the population, independent of Mimi.
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>>151332611
did someone say kuuki
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>>151342905
>>151342906
OK, so they're genetically-engineered test-tube children that have heightened physical capabilities and can enter magical worlds. Got it.

Science is crazy! Am I right?
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>>151343056
And art is explosive.
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>>151342953
The Incubators were the antagonists - or, at least, the main source of conflict.
All ep10 did was add exposition, and that was really well done.
The main conflict and issue remained the same past ep10.

Now, imagine if the Incubators were replaced by some other entity by ep9, and if instead of having Homura's story in ep10, we got in in ep12, but condensed to, maybe, 5 minutes.
That's what's happening in FF.
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>>151342992
It was spelled out pretty clear when Mimi tried to rationalize a memory that went contrary to her psychosis only for it to provoker a full-scale schizophrenic moment and ruin her own plans.

Mimi is Mimi. Two-Mimis is an abstraction of a duality, not a literal representation of a person divided into two entities. It's like how Cocona and Papika in episode 6 were both Iro. In reality there was only one Iro experiencing those events, but it was abstracted as two Iro's "switching" with one another because their was a fundamental dualism in their cognition regarding the events unfolding around them.

That was the whole point of this shot right here. To show that it wasn't two Mimi's conversing in that scene, but one Mimi splitting itself along the axis of her fundamentally different and conflicting drives; to be true to self vs protecting the daughter she values above all else.
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>>151343056
you're right
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>>151342728
It looks almost like かちまえ(though there's definitely more cut off), maybe she's yelling that they (PapiCoco) better win? Someone better than me at this can correct me if i'm wrong.
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>>151329874
It's so obvious that she's going to kill either Cocona or Papika.
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>>151343056
Well this guy seems to have managed the best explanation >>151343003 that is consistent with the show.
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>>151342953
The main antagonist in PMMM was the whole magical girl system itself. At the end of PMMM, the main conflict was still the magical girl system.

If you were to take what happened in Flip Flappers with Mimi and apply it to PMMM, it would be like if some ultra powerful new magical girl showed up, completely changed the magical girl system so the issues with it that were causing conflicts for 10 episodes was fixed, but then ended up being batshit crazy and became the main villain.

One could argue that actually happened in Rebellion, but that was AFTER the main characters did something about the magical girl system.
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>>151343170
This is not the face of a killer. Nyunyu wouldn't hurt a fly.
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>>151342884
>Imagine if, in PMMM, they decided to change villains by ep9. That would have been a mess, even if the new villain was great.
What if in PMMM they decided to reveal in episode 11 that the villains were actually aliens from outer space, magic was just super advanced alien technology, and their whole master plan was to defeat entropy by harnessing the power of little human girl suffering, which is inexplicably an energy source that defies Newton's fundamental laws just because. Oh also that every influential female in history was actually a mahou shoujo and humankind was incidentally elevated from cavemen by magical girls being used as cosmic batteries by aliens.

I bet people would still be praising it as a masterpiece 4 years after the fact.
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It's Christmas Eve and all I care about are two fictional girls getting a sweet, happy ending together.
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>>151343170
>Nyunyu kills Papika
I want to see the shitstorm.

>Mimi is vanquished
>Cocona and Papika reunite
>They talk
>Suddenly Nyunyu blows Papika's brains out
>"Teehee, that was my mission, I almost forgot!"
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>>151343208
Merry Christmas, Futanon.
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For christmas i want a picture of Yayaka snuggling with a Cocona daki.
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>>151342779
I love the show but I don't see it. The divide between her overbearing, fierce mama bear side and her kinder side seems a bit simple isn't particularly compelling to me, and while there's some meaning to her wish for Cocona to have the freedom she never had, I don't think it was presented in an engaging way (I think a lot of it has to do with the flashbacks from ep. 10-11 and how little they explored the characters' emotions, Mimi in particular). I can't say I care much for her as a character and as a villain she's functional at best.
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Which girl would you rather get for Christmas?
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>>151343289
Best one obviously.
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>>151343201
That argument doesn't make sense though because everything since episode 1 has been part of the Mimi system. It's more apt to say it'd be like if in Dragon Ball they collect the Dragon Balls then after getting their wishes granted Shenron goes crazy and they have to stop him.
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>>151343240
>que this pose >>151330438
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>>151343201
And the main conflict in Flip Flappers is about Cocona learning to open up to the world and dealing with change. At the end of FF, the main conflict is still about Cocona opening up to the world and dealing with change.

Methinks you're equating a Urobuchi plot-for-plot's sake with a character story because both of them happen to feature a narrative.
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>>151343289
Sayuri
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>>151343289
The one that's not a delinquent boy.
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>>151343206
Actually, QB revealed that in ep09, and even though his explanation might have sounded silly, it was still the same group of antagonists, all that happened is that we got exposition on them.
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>>151343309
It was at this point that Yayaka became a yuri dork.
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>>151343347
>all that happened is that we got exposition on them.
Ho boy if that ain't the understatement.
Look, I understand that you're out of arguments but scrambling together damage control like this just wastes both of our time. Do yourself the favour of understanding why you were wrong and we can skip this song and dance next time.
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>>151343003
I still think Nyunyu has Papigenes. It would explain pretty much everything about her.
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>>151343289
Daddy issues Papika.
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Who wore it best?
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>>151343419
Yayaka > Cocona > Papica
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>>151343419
Cocona > Yayaka > Papika
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>>151343347
I think the argument here is that it wouldn't have made much of a difference if it happened two episodes later?
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>>151343419
Cocona's is still my favourite henshin design by far, but I'm really upset that she practically never did anything with it. She cut some tentacles and rang a bell and that was pretty much it. We see her henshin almost every episode between 3 and 9 but barely see her actually swing her big henshin sword PURE BLADE more than 3 times across them.
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>>151343439
You're just saying that because yyk is wearing a corset.
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>>151343419
Papika > Cocona > Yayaka

Papika's outfit is so goddamn sexy it drives me crazy.
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Someone ought to go through and edit the subs of all the early episodes and have Cocona refer to Papika as "Auntie Papika" every time.

I wonder if it would make the early episodes more or less creepy.
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>>151343419
>Cocona is modest
>Papika is showing more skin
>Yayaka is downright slutty

What did 3Hz mean by this?
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>>151343549
Yayaka a best
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>>151343404
>Look, I understand that you're out of arguments but scrambling together damage control like this just wastes both of our time.
This isn't an argument.
Considering you're the one replying without arguments, I'll take it you're indirectly admitting you have nothing else to say, and thus that you're wrong.

And no, what I said wasn't an understatement, as what you described was exposition. They're the exact same antagonists, and through that explanation we got to know why the system was put in place.

It's not as if QB suddenly did a heel-turn at that moment, since we already knew he was full of shit at that point. And that explanation didn't suddenly change who the main antagonists were.

>>151343449
Maybe not, but placing it earlier made it far easier to digest, and elaborate what was left of the plot during the remaining episodes.
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>>151343419
Papika. I love that chest strap and she looks good with blue hair.
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>>151343347
It wasn't even clear that QB WAS an antagonist until said episode, so that argument is rather poor (you could say that the antagonist status shifted from random witches to QB at that point). Mimi has been in the show since the beginning too, and Asclepius was never the real antagonist (that would be random PI defense traps) - just a rival.

It's almost like the shows aren't very different once you think about it.
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>>151343526
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>>151343419
Why doesn't Yayaka get a gradient zettai ryouiki?
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>>151343526
ne ne, okite
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>>151343650
She's got her unique hair
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>>151343650
It symbolizes that Papi and Coco need eachother to survive, while Yaya can stand on her own two feet
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>>151343112
Does that mean since there actually are 2 physical Mimi's that Pure Illusion is more specifically [Mimi's] Pure Illusion and the gate into senpai's mind was her Pure Illusion? Rather than Pure Illusion being some kind of collective consciousness where you can find everyone's door if you look hard enough?
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>>151343634
>It wasn't even clear that QB WAS an antagonist until said episode
What? It wasn't clear he wasn't an antagonist after what Sayaka went through?
Are you serious?
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>>151343643
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>>151343691
There isn't even one physical Mimi, she has to ghostride Cocona's body in the real world.
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>>151343643
>>151343526
>>151343419
>Papika's outfit is designed to make use of sideboob
>Papikana is the only titty monster in Flip Flappers

Great foreshadowing
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>>151343695
bad guy != antagonist, especially not primary one.
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>>151343695
To be fair, Homura was super sketchy at that point as well. Not as sketchy as QB, but still sketchy.
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Why is Iroha so strongly connected with Pure Illusion? She makes paintings depicting places Cocona and Papika see and they also find her gate.
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>>151343901
>why is art so strongly connected to the subconscious
I'unno
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>>151343901
I have a feeling she was supposed to be more integral to the plot in early drafts, but got shafted because they couldn't squeeze even more stuff into the already cramped plot episodes.
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>>151343884
Homura quit being sketchy the instant Mami died.
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>>151343901
Who knows, the show threw her in the dumpster in favor of the useless slutty loli and some other stuff.
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>>151343867
He's probably one of those super smart people who speculah'd that QB was the big bad right away, but isn't taking into account that the show doesn't actually makes a point of that until the endgame.
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I'm calling it now good Mimi will kill herself to get rid of bad Mimi.
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>>151343935
Yeah, it seems like a lot of buildup and then a somewhat anticlimactic character end solely to make the point that what you do in Pure Illusion can have a butterfly effect in the real world.
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>>151343954
Homura was basically doing to Madoka what Mimi's doing to Cocona early on, only slightly less forceful. The main difference was that the group trying to exploit Madoka actually had more fight in them than the group trying to exploit Cocona.
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>>151343755
But why? Honestly, I'm confused and I have so many questions with little confidence that the show will answer them with 20-25 minutes to go. Maybe they've already answered them and it went over my head.
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>>151344061
Except Homura was obviously good the second she told Madoka that she wanted others to avoid the suffering of becoming a magical girl after Mami died.
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>>151343935
I think they honestly just intended to pull a bait and switch in setting her up to be a mentor figure and someone to ground Cocona, and then pulling a 180 all of a sudden after the DPI dive.

I think they planned from the start to make her feel deceptively important just so that when she was effectively sacrificed to escalate the plot it would feel like the stakes had gone up and something important really had happened.

Also part of me thinks that the outcome of their DPI dive was that the blue Iro (pre-episode 6 glum painter Iroha) switched with orange Iro (happy-go-lucky riajuu with no interest in painting post-6 Iroha) and resolving her trauma was actually just the pivotal psychological moment to facilitate the switch.

I think we're supposed to understand Mimi's two personalities and her own confrontation with herself resulting in 'evil Mimi' in the context of "Iro, switch with Iro" since it was functionally the same thing taking place.

Trauma facilitates the division of an identity into a conflicting duality, an ambivalence. Deep PI then facilitates the elevation of one side of this ambivalence over another, cruxing on the fundamental psychological event which created the exigence in the first place. In Mimi it's not necessarily her daughter, but her own experiences and perceptions of power, freedom, control and vulnerability. Another anon said it best when they described the two Mimis as being conflicted by one wanting to prevent the suffering it was subject to, while the other wants to embrace the freedom it was denied. It can't protect and free at the same time, which forms these contrary extremes.
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>>151343468
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>>151343691
Mimi has power over Pure Illusion due to the amorphous. It's a collective consciousness thing, but Mimi is just more collective than others.
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>>151344087
Because Mimi only exists in Pure Illusion, and she also has a lot of control over the entirety of it. Nothing in Pure Illusion is "physical" in any meaningful sense of the word, but it can affect the real world (like taking control of Cocona).

I think the two Mimis only ever show up in Mimi's PI (the clover field), but that's beside the point - they're not really two different characters, just different aspects of the real-world Mimi.
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>>151344087
My guess from the scenes shown is that Evil Mimi took "never be separated from Cocona" quite literally and fused with Cocona, which left the fragment in her leg.
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>>151344188
So there's a real world Mimi but Mimi only exists in Pure Illusion? And even though Pure Illusion can affect the real world at some point she stopped being able to manifest herself a real-world body?
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>>151344313
There's no indication that Mimi ever "manifested a real-world body" after the events of the facility escape with Salt. Obviously she was just a regular person before that.
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>>151344387
So what you're saying is you think that when she went batshit she gave up her real-world body somehow to become completely one with Pure Illusion?

>>151344193
Maybe something like this?
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What other series have the D&D campaign feel?
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>tfw no Flip Flappers artbook

Why? They have everything to make an artbook. Why can't they slap it together in a paper binding? Why is there mo merch for this series?
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>>151344518
Doesn't it have Nichijou-tier reception in Japan?
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>>151344513
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>>151344540
Yes but don't they usually plan for merch before it starts airing?
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>>151344586
Fuck I miss that show.
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>>151344061
Sorry, I can't let this stand. Homura was trying to save Madoka without infringing on Madoka's free will. The exact opposite of what Evil Mimi wants to do and much more akin to good Mimi's behavior in ep 12. Homura would argue, cajole, protect and give/withhold information as she saw fit but she would never coerce Madoka, in spite of having all the power in the world with which to do so. She never broke that rule until Ai yo which is part of what makes rebellion's ending so shocking.
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>>151344586
>>151344612
>based on a mobile F2P game
Is it any good?
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>>151344635
No of course not, but that's what makes it fun.
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>>151344513
I hope the rushed ending critics have watched Chaika.
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>>151344635
It's FUN.

>>151344612
>Inkeep spin-off never
It still hurts.
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>>151344174
She's useless without Cocona.
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>>151344598
Looking at the production comittee there is nobody on there who is a toy manufacturer or anything like that so maybe that has something to do with it. Why would a toy company want to invest in making a bunch of merch for a show if they aren't going to sell many units and will have to pay royalties on that.
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>>151343289
Cocona is all I need.
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>>151345004
You got some funny scratches where your anonymous should be.
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>>151345033
I want to scratch and sniff Yayaka.
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>>151344614
If she was successful at keeping Kyubey away from Madoka like she wanted, Madoka wouldn't have been able to become a magical girl even if she had decided to. Trying to completely remove one of two choices might as well be forcing someone.
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>>151343419
Papika>Cocona=Yayaka

>>151343526
>>151343643
Pretty much this.
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>>151345073
Thats not how the use of force works
Anyways, good mimi never forced Cocona to do anything only talked to her, much simillar to Homura
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When the show is over, FF will be history. Some would remember the show for long time, and others would not, like the other animations.

What character do you seem to be going to remember long time after the last episode?
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>>151345180
Obvious answer is obvious.
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>>151345180
Yukuskuru
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>>151345180
The adorablest pedo-aunt will be remembered for a very long time, I think.
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>>151345180
I'll remember all of the character because all of them are great. It sounds like a meme answer but yet, every single main character and a few side ones are fleshed out to the point that you can really feel for them except Nyunyu.
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>>151345180
Honestly, most of the cast is pretty memorable. But I'd have to say Yayaka.
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>>151345180
Not useless Cocona, that's for sure.
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>>151329874

man they censored nyunyu's lower half real hard after ep 11
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>>151344174
>the Eva monster didn't move one inch, waiting patiently for the blue energy blob to detonate on his face, rather than avoid it or counterattack
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>>151345314
You know nothing
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>>151345180
Yayaka for all time, but by proxy that would make me remember the rest of them too.
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>>151345347
I'd ejaculate some liquid sharks into the rear if you flip my flaps
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>>151345180
Cocona, Papika and Mimi.
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>>151345377
Shards! SHARDS!
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>>151345408
liquid sharks
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>>151345408
Suck my diiiiiick!! I'm a shard!!
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>>151345073
Sure. And leaving a loaded gun around your house gives additional choices to everyone living in that house. You should totally do that.
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oh well
another great run for flipflap thread
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