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Does nobody like Papika anymore?
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DIEHARD DOGFAG REPORTING
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Her "I've loved you since the day you were born" quote really touched my heart.
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>>151314728
Can Yayaka save the show from how bad it's become?
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>>151314794
IT'S NOT HER FAULT. BLAME IT ON HISAYA.
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Sorry, but the last episode confirmed Yayaka being the best girl.
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I think almost everyone preferred Coconuts and Dog at first, but eventually came to realize Yayaka is the best.
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>>151314829
but she just did in episode 12
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>>151314728
No. If you like Yayaka, that means you must hate Papika. There's just no other option.
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>>151314925
COCONA IS MINE
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>>151314728
She wasn't adored before, and now it's the worst girl of the season. Why would anyone like her?
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>>151314848
>start off as the enemy and playing second fiddle to the new girl
>becomes abandoned by her organization
>sacrifices herself for Cocona
>fights off the twins
>motivational speech to bring Papika out of depression
>achieves henshin

Is this the biggest anime uncucking in recent memory?
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>>151314961
DELET THIS
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>>151314728
Papika is objectively best girl, but I still like Cocona more.

>>151314888
Poor Yayakat is pretty much irrelevant now.
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Every damn dogthread gets occupied by catfags. I'm outta here.
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>>151314728
Nobody likes the entire show anymore.

>every character is undeveloped and shallow
>the story is a bunch of nonsense
>the animation is bad and easy to make fun of
>bland soundtrack
>extremely unfulfilling ending
>loads of plotholes
>pedophilic yuribaiting platonic maternal love in place of character interactions

Flip Flappers was a mistake. WAOTY.
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>past few episodes have been Yayaka centered
>Papika hasn't gotten any Papika focused episodes at all, she's still shrouded in mystery
>Cocona's whole doubt arc is justified, considering not only did Papika have a past partner, Papika had a past LIFE
I know the real reason /a/nons have been dissatisfied with the past few episodes. Its been the odd usurpation of Papika's character and relationship. She went from the lovable, mysterious idiot to "who the heck is this person." Her best friend relationship with Cocona has been somehow changed into a godmother relationship.

Even if the episodes are good, they don't sit well because Papika is in the fucking gutter right now. I don't even think the final episode can fix this, I can't think of an explanation that will make the whole thing not weird.
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>>151314984
See? A shit marginal.
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>>151314728
Blame the director for neglecting the supporting protagonist resulting in a side character more developed and badass than her. Yeah, I get it, big dramatic backstory reveal in the final episode for maximum drama. Too late, emotional investment shouldn't suddenly spring to life in the closing minutes. Establish the character so I care about her when shit hits the fan.

Iroha best girl.
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>>151314728
I love love love love her! Every time when I see her, I get a brand new boner. She's a miracle.
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>>151315248
>Iroha best girl
Why did they spend so much time on that cute senpai if they were just going to destroy her and cast her aside?
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Is a threesome ending too much to ask for?
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>>151315308
She could have become way more than just a plot device to show off DPI memory management.
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>>151315135
>>151315248
>because the story isn't told explicitly from one character's perspective I cannot empathize with them

I wonder if she had lost would more people sympathize with her, since she's been fucked with her whole life despite never ceasing to be optimistic and loyal.
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Coconuts
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>>151314728
>yayaka will never suck your cock
It's just not fair
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>Papika is literally as old as Cocona's mother

My inner /u/ doesn't know how to feel about this
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>>151315491
The identity continuity between Papika and Papikana ended when she got fucked into a toddler by Mimi the witch.
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>>151315447
Cats have barbed tongues. It would be pretty awful.
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>>151315557
what are you talking about? They're literally the same person. Papika suffered some amnesia but she regained her memories
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>>151315491
I feel I'd be more comfortable with Cocona and an adult than Cocona and an adult trapped in a child's body
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>>151315557
If you reach any harder you'll be in 2017, anon
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>>151309828
Why I can't get past this even with VPN ?
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>>151315610
This
I want the show to end with Papika returning to her proper age, both of them acknowledging the gap and sharing a mutual ai ai aishiteru anyways
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>>151315605
She says to Salt she's Papika now. She says that she loves Cocona independently of her relationship with Mimi. We're about to see how the two of them met in Mimi's PI when they were toddlers.

Or you know, you could just continue to ignore the show's dialogue.
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Just started watching Flip Flappers. I'm intensely annoyed by how many times Papika says Cocona's name. Should I drop it for that reason alone?
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>>151315658
Delete cookies.
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>>151315697
Yes.

The show gets really bad towards the end anyway.
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>>151315697
It's the worst anime of the season, a total mess. Only good to see yurifag tears when het wins again.
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>>151315697
It calms down after a few episodes.
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>>151315658
What >>151315709 said. Also try refreshing the cache (Ctrl+F5).
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>>151315683
>She says to Salt she's Papika now.
She's Papika when Mimi was alive. Papika was Mimi's nickname for her. And in any case Papika and Papikana are the same fucking person

>She says that she loves Cocona independently of her relationship with Mimi
Literally irrelevant. What I find disturbing about this whole thing is not Papika's relationship with Mimi but her age relative to Cocona's

goddamn you're more delusional than trump protestors
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TANOMO!
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>>151315776

She loved Cocona even before she regained her memories, when she was just a 14 year old girl.
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What was the deal with Mimi flipping from yandere mother to sensible life advice, and Papika's implanted memory getting overturned? It's not like she had a complete change of heart, since she actually kept fighting them afterwards.
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>>151315605
Do you understand what is identify?
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>>151315727
This. It's looking like a trainwreck already.
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>>151315833
Duality.
But it's shitty anyways IMO.
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Papika best girl
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>>151315776
>/pol/tard yurifag
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>>151315833
There's this evil side to Mimi, because PI magic or some shit.

It's supposedly represent the overprotective mother archetype stemming from the fact how her life was handled because Asclepius, but it was rather poorly built up.
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>>151315776
>She's Papika when Mimi was alive. Papika was Mimi's nickname for her. And in any case Papika and Papikana are the same fucking person.
Salt still called her Papikana. She made the distinction to make it clear to non-autists watching that regaining her memories didn't reset her character.
>What I find disturbing about this whole thing is not Papika's relationship with Mimi but her age relative to Cocona's
>it's wrong for a girl to fall in love with someone her own current age if she was actually a cake who got amnesia and magically de-aged, all not on her own accord, and it's especially wrong if she retains those feelings after getting her memories back

Like I thought, you're not looking at things from her perspective, you're thinking about things like sexual morality in a show where a tentacle monster with dimensional powers fused with her daughter.
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>>151315697
Here's what you have to look forward to.
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>>151315833
Good-Mimi switched with yandere-mother-Mimi as Mimi's main identity in episode 11, but good-Mimi still exists.
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>>151315833
Good Mimi came out for a moment. Bad Mimi accidentally lets her good side slip when she gets emotional.
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>>151315960
if by "poorly built up" you mean "literally shown taking place in a flashback", sure
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>>151315808
Aren't you too old for school?
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>>151315965
We should stop talking about being in the same body and instead discuss identity. Papika became a loyal dog when Cocona dug her out of the dicktree jail. That is when the Papika identity started from a clean slate. Her qualities, beliefs and personality are all shaped after that.
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Why can't this show be like Episode 5 again? I was genuinely spooked.
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If you were Mimi would you really have a problem with your daughter dating this?
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>show is praised for its metaphorical storytelling
>people take everything happening like multiple mimis and papika's age painfully literally
>omg the show is bad now

Just more proof that if you want people to consider subtext at all, you cant give them plot as well. Because if there's even a hint of plot, people just stop using their brains.
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Is there a new "papika sound" compilation?
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>>151316164
I'll do it after ep 13 stay tuned
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>>151316157
*episode 3
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>>151316158
I'd be jealous because I want to date that.
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>>151316042
"Out of nowhere", in a black and white conflict.
Why make the good characters and develop them we you can make then or good or evil?
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>>151315491
Hey, it worked for Bubuki Buranki.
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>>151316158
Would you let your daughter marry a retard?
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>>151315709
>>151315754
I see, thanks
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>>151316158
Yes, because if Cocona was my daughter I'd want to date her myself.
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>>151316042
>>151316217
> Poorly built up
> Out of nowhere
You guys are forgetting Cocona and Papika constantly switching in Iroha's Deep PI.
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>>151316253
She isn't a retard, she reads BIG books for BIG girls.
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>>151314728

I still like her, but her late game is a lot weaker than Yayaka's.
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>>151316204
*episode 8
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>>151316160
Not that people just can't understand, it's more that they don't want because they think it's bad.
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>>151315969
Seriously fix your interpolation
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>>151316308
That's because Yayaka is the coolest character of the year.
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>>151316308
YYK needs a nerf though, I know she was just released with her arcana and they want to sell more of them but she is way too strong right now.
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>>151315969
Did someone save the raw data?
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>>151316356
That wasn't my reason actually. I think age gap can be great handled properly. (which is what FLFL seems to be doing)

It was just a shock that CocoPapi wasn't the kind of thing I thought it was. I'm over that now. My only remaining misgiving is that I really wish Papika had more development than she's had. At this point, almost the entire last episode will have to have her in the spotlight-- which might be what they've been planning on all along, come to think of it.

It's gonna be a long week before that finale.
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>>151316402
>Cocopapi together used all of their power 2v1 and were only barely able to overpower plant loli
>ended up running out of power before being able to finish it off and needed Yayaka to save them
>henshin Yayaka solos revived plant loli in seconds flat
There's really no comparison
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>>151316439
Nevermind, found it.
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>>151316569
She's a trained fighter though. CocoPapi are just regular nerds like you or me.
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>>151316569
If YYK doesn't HENSHIN in final episode I think I might kill myself. Why even go on when best girl doesn't get the ending she has deserved and worked so hard for.
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>>151316302
She's just looking at the big pictures of the beetle lawyers.
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>>151315610
Blame my autism, I had to do this
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>>151316302
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Wrong picture. the pic related is original.
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>>151314794
>>151314840
It's a parental kind of love. Papika was playing the role of aunt until everything got fucked.
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>>151316685
Henshin is cancelled, Mimi won't allow it anymore. She would need to get a wedding dress powerup and fat chance of that happening.
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S2 when?
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>>151316971
This. Yayaka got her spotlight in 12 because she won't be getting anything on 13. We Cocopapi now
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>>151316985
After the two recap movies and the third movie Flip Flappers: Revengeance
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>>151316971
Her amorphous is a tear of the goodmimi though. Maybe it's not cancelled.
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>>151317038
>third movie Flip Flappers: Revengeance
>not Flip of Flapping
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>>151316971
Don't say these things please. YuYu will give YYK the powerup she deserves
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>>151316960
Let me tell you what that love is.

Cocona dug poor Papika out of her jail and then Papika
>I owe her my life. She has my undying loyalty.
>Let's be the best friends forever.
>She is my lost love and savior.
>Wow I love her more than a friend now.
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>>151317089
Is the power up her fist?
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>>151317141
It's the same shit as in any shitty romance in anime and manga. The other person do the bare minimum of kindness and the person falls in love because only she knows "how good" that person is.
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Seriously what the fuck was with that preview? If they show us a normal PV next week then it's pretty much confirmed that they ran out of time.
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>>151317511
>PV next week
Anon it's over
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>>151317511
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What did Cocona do to earn anyones love?
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>>151317445
>saving life
>bare minimum of kindness
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>>151316960
>it's not romantic unless they kiss with saliva trail and vaginal fluids visibly dripping due to sexual attraction while Yayaka masturbates audibly in the background
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>>151316402
t. Dotard
hi senpai :^)
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>>151317599
If they kiss I doubt the dog can hold back her saliva
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>>151316569
>YYK needs a nerf though
>she is way too strong right now
Knock, knock.
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>>151317655
What do the hearts mean?
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>promote the series as a love story between the two leads
>don't develop the relationship at all
>bring in Yayaka's plot which gives her much more reason to be in love with Cocona
>Yayaka works the hardest any time she's on screen
>Papika literally does nothing and gets super mode
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>>151317655
Really should have made Cocona's super wedding transformation a tuxedo, missed opportunity imo
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I always loved Papika.
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>>151317742
>literally nothing
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>>151316547
Based on the storyboards from the PV it seems to be centered around CocoPapi so there's a good chance we'll get a lot of development in the last episode.
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>>151317742
>>don't develop the relationship at all

they spent 9 episodes developing it, are you daft
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>>151317742
>don't develop the relationship at all
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>>151314728
Retarded people get boring fast. That's we bully them, that's we bully Papika!
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>>151317742
>promote the series as a love story between the two leads
I'm gonna call a sauce on that one. This was always a coming of age story, del/u/sional general just shipping the shit out of it.
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>>151316358
Any interpolation for discrete data other than linear or order 0 is dumb.
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>>151317876
Cocona would be way more fun to bully

>huge dork
>nerd
>no self confidence
>prudish
>can't defend herself
>adorable

I'd love to sneak a picture of her birthmark and spread it around the school
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>>151317913
>Papika and Cocona hold the keys to open the door. When the two girls meet, their adventures in a different time and different overlapping dimension called "Pure Illusion" begin. Many things in Pure Illusion will stand in the girls' way on their search for the mysterious crystal called the "Shard of Mimi," an item that is said to grant any wish. However, when the girls find themselves in danger, the Shard of Mimi shines, and they are able to transform.

look at these blatant lies, I was promised a yuri show and now I'm mad as hell
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>>151317959
>being so pathetic that you get bullied by an elementary school girl
How do we fix Cocona?
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>>151317599
Are you alright?
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It's really upsetting to compare episodes 1 and 2 with episodes 11 and 12.

God this show turned to shit.
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>>151318019
Take her off her parents and let robots raise her. And don't let Papika ruin everything.
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>>151318138
you mean the episodes where everyone was saying "well this is looking cool, but what the fuck is the POINT", right
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>>151318138
don't think, feel
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>>151318138
Yeah, you can really feel that quality change.
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>>151318138
9 > 6 > 3 > 8 > 5 > 10 > 7 > 11 > 4 > 1 > 12 > 2
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>>151318019
We don't.
Being bulliable is part of her charm.
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>>151317959
>can't defend herself
She doesn't have to. As soon as Yayaka even gets a hint of you bullying Cocona it'll be your last day at school.
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>>151317626
Literally does a 1000 damage aoe nuke that stuns for 2 seconds just by kicking a ball of energy.
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>>151318301
5 > 6 > 9 > 1 > 4 > 7 > 3 > 11 > 10 > 8 > 2 > 12
I'm sure this is different from what I posted yesterday.
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>>151317959
>>151318019
>>151318371
>bullying Cocona
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So, only a single episode left. How is it going to go down?

I get the feeling that we might get a masterpiece ending that hits us right in the feels. I remember episode 11 of Madoka making everyone anxious and worried as fuck as well.

This is it guys, we are at the end of the road.

Its been fun. This is the best show I have watched in years, no matter how it ends, I am happy that I got the chance to watch it with you all.
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>>151318461
>teasing Cocona
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Restream when and where?
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>>151318461
You know how I'd bully Cocona? I'd cut off that stupid looking part of her hair that's extending and curling.
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>>151318501
Unfortunately yurifags are still buttmad because everything seems to indicate that their relationship is purely platonic and heterosexual, so they keep shitting on later episodes.
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>>151318461
Don't you like that face?
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>>151318501
>I get the feeling that we might get a masterpiece ending
Is this a joke? Did you just not watch episode 12 yet?
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>>151318605
I am no yurifag but you would have to be completely delusional to try and claim that Papika and Cocona are not OTP tier pairing. Whether or not the show actually goes with that though is another question entirely.
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>>151318605
>their (Cocona and Papika's) relationship is purely heterosexual
I get what you're going for but this isn't what you mean although it's clear you're just trying to bait /u/
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>>151318636
did you remember the reaction to episode 11 of Madoka when it aired? Then episode 12 happened and /a/ was sad and claiming it was a masterpiece for the rest of the year.
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>>151318623
And the noises she makes.
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>>151318699
I think he's too newfag for even that.
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>>151318501

>Salt pulls everyone in deep PI by accident in ELPIS.
>Dark mimi's true form is revealed and they end of in a massive fight with her.
>YYK dies in the fight but in doing so allows CCN and PPK to defeat Mimi.
>PI falls apart without Mimi to control its merging into the real universe.
>Mimi gets a redemption scene before fading away, she askes CCN for forgiveness and tells salt she loves him one last time
> Salt breaks down and cries as he knows he will never see her again.
>Papika is left in PI because Mimi was giving her the power to stay in the younger body her real body having been destroyed when she leapt into the PI explosion Mimi caused
>CCN left with salt, screen fades to black.
>the last few scenes are a scrolling montage of CCN going through her life
>She attends YYK's funeral, she goes to classes
>One day after school she walks to the pipe hoping against hope to see PPK again.
>No one is there.
>She goes to leave and as she does we hear "mitsuketa"
>Hugely over animated-probably-used-half-the-budget-slow-motion scene of CCN turning around tears streaming down her face
>Papika is standing there on the pipe, she says "I've been looking for you for so long"
>They hug
>Screen fades to black for a final time and a rendition of over the rainbow starts playing

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>>151318589
You need to be bullied.
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>>151318777
but then everyone would want to know why and how Papika was able to come back.
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>>151318699
Episode 11 and 12 aired simultaneously.
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>>151318699
What I remember is that episodes 11 and 12 aired back to back a month after they were supposed to due to the March 2011 earthquake.
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What would be more worrying for the wednesdays PV:
Normal PV indicating they had nothing to show this week, PV looking exactly like what we got at the end of 12, or no PV?
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>>151318876
>Ending causes massive surge in Bluray sales
>Season 2 announced
>FF becomes the biggest thing in anime for the last few years

We all smile and shake our heads knowingly when it is brought up. We all remember the concern trolling and shit posting about episodes 10, 11 and 12.

But it was worth it.
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>>151318917
>>151318935


Yep, werent you in the livestream chat and threads? At the end of Episode 11 everyone was losing their shit in a negative way. Then 12 happened right after and people loved it.
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>>151318654
>but you would have to be completely delusional to try and claim that Papika and Cocona are not OTP tier pairing.
You misspelled Yayaka.
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>>151318589
He said bullying, not ruining.
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>>151319034
yayaka is the best character, but her chemistry with the other two isn't as strong.
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>>151318769
>anyone who thinks my favourite show went down the shitter is a newfag
So we're at this point now?
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>>151318993
I too enjoy imagining things that will never happen.
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>>151319026
No, everyone was flipping their flaps about the hug and Homura's awesome fight.
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>>151318993
I'm sorry anon. That won't happen.
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I only watched the first episode of this and got really busy and couldn't follow it. Is this worth picking up?
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>>151319026
The threads got fucked over halfway in because of mods deleting livewatches and so reactions spilled out all over the board.
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>>151319076
We've been at it for a while now. The meme and shitposting was so strong that after episode 10 anyone who doesn't immediately agree that FliFla is a flawless masterpiece of unparalleled proportions is a troll/baiter/whatever. Only lurking for pics.
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Guess it really is a few dedicated shitposters who only woke up a few hours ago having a look at the state of this thread. We managed to spend the majority of the previous one having a fairly reasonable discussion about flaws and strengths but looking at this new one it's now filled with the purposefully spiteful and intentionally incorrect kind of bait yesterdays post airing threads were.
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>>151319109
No.
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>>151319109
Ask again after the finale airs for a more accurate answer.
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>>151319192
It's been that way for weeks now. Usually the guy moves on on Saturdays.
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>>151319109
The first episode is as straightforward as it can get. Only the very end may be confusing. If you couldn't follow the first episode, don't bother with the rest.
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>>151319192
>>151319262
>if you think the show's quality has gone down you're a shitposter
Oh, I can't wait until after the show is done shitting the carpet with episode 13. Those threads will be fucking fun.
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>>151319109
Yes.
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>>151314728
>my lesbian bestfriend is fucking my daughter

its kinda fucked up to think about it
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>>151319170
It was shitposting at 10-11, but 12 was actually a nosedive. Not to say it was horrible, but it had substantial flaws, that were stated repeatedly.
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I just realized, I've never fapped to Flip Flappers
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>>151319457
Hopefully episode 13 will redeem everything episode 12 did wrong. They can still do it.
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>>151319504
One can dream
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>>151319376
If you make low effort posts that are intentionally trying to get people mad or purposefully incorrect and misrepresentation then you are a shitposter, much like yourself.
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>>151319504
Send me a bit of your faith, anon. I don't see that happening anymore.
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>>151319498
I bet you're lying.
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>>151319498
You'd have to be a pretty disturbed pervert to sully any of these pure girls.
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>>151319498
I only fap to Papicake.
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>>151319498
Sounds like you're a flip fag.
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>>151319498
Well considering there is almost no porn of it that's kinda hard. I wish I could be one of the guys that can actually get off to pantyshots.
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>>151319554
That's rude, I put as much effort into that post as the creators are putting into post-ep 9 FF.
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>>151319376
There's a clear difference between actual shitposters and people making criticisms, you know, with the latter being posts that actually talk about WHY the show is shit or not sounding like obvious hyperbolic bait. Of course, if the finale is shit then no one will care anymore, so it won't even matter then.
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>>151319457
nah
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>>151319498
I find fapping to papika in this particular key visual very satisfying.
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Ok guys, bullet point list, what would episode 13 HAVE to do for it to be an amazing finale in your opinions?
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>>151319590
Dead serious
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>>151319832

See
>>151318777
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>>151319832
>Papika fucking off forever so Yayaka can claim her rightful place next to Cocona
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>>151319832
At this point?
>not suck
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>>151319832
I don't think it can be saved anymore. Papika backstory I guess. But it seems to later for that.
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>>151319660
Thanks for proving my point.

>>151319670
Yeah if you look at the last thread there is lots of legitimate criticism and back and forth discussion going on then you look at this thread and it is full of spammed low effort posts intentionally made to rile people up insulting the show, people who like it, both or intentionally misrepresenting things that happened in the series. The difference is stark.
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>>151319498
Me to. Flipflaps are not for sexualizing.
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>>151319832
Cocona ending up being just another bust.
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>>151319934
>too
Fixed.
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>>151319832
Everyone survives.

as if
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>>151318371
She should bully Salt for being a bad dad in the next episode.
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>>151319832
22 minutes of Sayuri striptease with Salt in the background throwing money at her
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>>151319832
Tie up the papika backstory and give closure to the papika/cocona relationship arc.

I don't think it's impossible.
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>>151319934
But they are sexualized aplenty through the show.
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>>151319999
That depends if he'll stop being salty.
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>>151319832
Unambiguous romance ending where Papi and Coco survive. That's all I need.
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>>151320043
There really isn't all that much left for the show to do in order to give an ending that fulfils the show and is satisfying to be honest and it already looks like we are going to get a bunch of other cool shit in the episode itself too like Uexkull back to being green man.
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>>151320119
>>151319999
Did Papika even tell Cocona that Salt's her dad?
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>>151319832
They already went overboard with the muh power of friendship cheesiness in ep 12, so I guess something bittersweet would be required in ep 13 to balance things out.
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>>151319832
End it with omedetou and announce EoFF immediately.
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>>151320132
Brace yourself for a letdown, d/u/de.
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>>151320191
She better doesn't tell Cocona who actually conceived her.
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>>151320232
I always am. I never actually expect a good yuri end.
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>>151319832
>Nyunyu is actually useful
>Toto, Yuyu hensins
>Yayaka also get St Seiya hensin
>Explaining Papikana's background
>Peter Pan ending
>Yayaka wins
Literally impossible.
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>>151320034
Hidaka and Sayuri should get their own spinoff. They travel the country with Bu-chan in a multicolored van, solving mysteries.
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I haven't been around for the past day or so. Did someone make an attempt at figuring out what happens in the next episode by putting the frames from the preview together?
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>>151320524
Hey, Nyunyu was useful this episode.
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>>151320524
>Toto hensins
What kind of dress would he be wearing?
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>>151320739
A cute and feminine one.
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>>151319832
Instead of trying to resolve everything that hasn't been resolved yet (not enough time) just blow my mind with something completely out of left field that leaves me fucked up for weeks.
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>>151320524

Thats probably too much.

I think reasonable expectations are:

>Papika backstory
>Mimi/PI threat stopped in some way
>some sort of emotionally charged exchange between Papika and Cocona. I dont care it its a love confession, a final farewell, or friendly reminiscing, but some sort of emotionally charged exchange between these two that sets the boundries and clarifies whatever their relationship is needs to happen.

and yeah, thats really all I need.
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>>151320524
Never going to happen Yayaka only got it because she is pretty much 3rd MC of the show. Those two really are full side characters though.
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>>151320739
A very skimpy one.
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>>151320876
Bu-chan got one.
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>>151319832
Cocona finally chooses a high school
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>>151320929
>its the high school Papika is at.
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>>151320921
That was a series of gags. The transformation was a pop-eye parody and then the joke was even though we did this big transformation and got you hyped up for Bu-Chan kicking ass he still just got immediately fucked over like everyweek, tragicomic.
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>>151321008
It's mostly because he just jumped into the fray against weirdo enemies without even judging their capabilities first
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>>151319751
Flip fapping?
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>>151320969
Papika is too dumb for school
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>>151321008
M.U.S.C.L.E. is in the storyboards in the preview.
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>>151319832
a k-kissu
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>>151315709
>>151315754
Didn't work.
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>>151321533
No idea then. Are you sure you've got the VPN set correctly? Been using SoftEther with VPN Gate for years and never had an issue.
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>>151319832
Just have decent pacing. There's nothing wrong with the story despite what retards are saying. A happy ending with them together would be nice.
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>>151320732
She led the plot forward.
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>>151319832
If there's no yuri ending I'm going to fucking explode
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>>151320721
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>>151321658
I wish Nyunyu was the final boss instead of that cunt Mimi.
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>>151321680
how explicitly yuri does it have to be. Like where does the line cross from "This isn't enough" to "this is just good enough"

Also, where does it cross the line from "good enough" to "fuck YESSSS! GOAT!"
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>>151321764
A kiss is really all I'd need but just a nonplatonic happy ending is fine
I don't need scissoring but I want it
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>>151321756
Wasted character.
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>>151321764
>This isn't enough
that would be just handholding and the stuff we already have.

>this is just good enough
a verbal explanation of romantic feelings, or papika reconciling and directly acknowledging the differences in feelings between her past self and her current self. Alternatively, a very passionate hug with some lovey doveyness would work, depending on the context.

>fuck yes goat
Kissu, timeskip of them living together, or cuddling in bed together.
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>>151321933
>living together

Wait. I just fucking realized. Cocona is homeless. Her house is destroyed. She has no family and no caregiver.

FlipFlap is in ruins, and odds of Salt surviving this mess is extremely low.
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>>151321978
The preview shows her at the pipe.
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>>151321999
so is she just gonna be homeless and live in the pipe with Papika?
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>>151321978
Papika has a great home they could both move into. Yayaka might have a place other than the KKK base, too.
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>>151322015
Technically the pipe is at school, so it would be like a boarding school
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>>151322015
Would fit. Oshiyama will have to live in a pipe too when this is over.
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>>151321999
cute domestic yuri life in a pipe
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>>151322015
>homeless
>lives with the love of her life in her comfy pipe complete with a bath and shower
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>>151322069
>>151322051
>>151322050
>>151322039
>>151322015
>>151321999


You know how fucking depressing this is gonna be if Papika dies or is stuck in PI right? No home, no family, living in a thrown away sewage pipe decorated and furnished by the one true love of your life?
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>>151322126
Heh. That describes my mental state perfectly after the last few episodes.
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>>151322039
say whatever you want about Papika being dumb, but decorating and setting up shit at that level takes some real skill and talent.
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>>151314978
No. It doesn't matter how much she can achieve, Cocona will never look at her.
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>People still thinking they won't deliver an unabashed generic happy ending
We are witnessing the YuYuYu of Madoka of our generation, stop pissing yourselves.
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>>151321978
Cocona can live in this comfy place, it belongs to Salt anyways.
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>>151322051
Brutal.
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>>151314848
>>151314888
What was her name again?
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>>151322279
Oh yeah, I keep forgetting that maybe Salt should say something about being Cocona's dad to her before he dies. Or if he doesn't die she should probably go live with him. You know, attempt to get some of that normal life she liked so much back by living in a home with her dad.
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>>151322126
>sewage pipe
a pipe literally designed to contain shit
really makes you think
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Yayaya is best flappers
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>>151322186
>he thinks people posting their best possible ending means they believe it'll actually happen
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>>151322186
>implying it's not going to be a worse ending than that
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>>151322379
Something tells me that Cocona will not see Salt again, like he'll make some kind of sacrifice using the Elpis machine. Sayuri clinging to him isn't for no reason.
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>>151322462
Making it worse than YuYuYu would be an achievment in itself.
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Realistically, what are the chances of us getting an ending that isn't generic and forgettable?
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>>151322482
So she's never actually going to know that he is her father? Will Papika actually tell Cocona? I think that almost seems harsh to do after he's dead and everything.
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>>151322532
30%
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>>151322532
10%.
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>>151322532
2000%
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>>151322532
As much as the BD selling more than 10 000 units.
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>>151322532
depends on your opinion of generic and forgettable.

If they give us some DPI stuff, it definitely wont be generic.

If they give us really emotional, hard hitting stuff, even if it is only 1 or 2 points, it wont be forgettable.
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>>151322532
feels like it could go either way honestly. 50% maybe?
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>>151322186
>every song talks about being together even if they're separated
>looks like they separate in the PV
Papika is getting stuck in PI forever. I'm sorry.
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>>151322532
If they kiss it'll be remembered forever regardless of anything else.
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>>151322709
Anon are you me? Those were my exact words too
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>>151322716
this

fucking deliver for once you nips
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>>151322716
but that's like the least likely thing to happen
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>>151322767
Considering the sales Oshiyama shouldn't give a fuck about upsetting hetfags
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>>151322709
>>151322716


So if its Kingdom Hearts ending + a kissu, that would be perfect?
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When did Salt and Mimi has sex?
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>>151322790
They've already had a mutual confession, something that rarely happens on its own.
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>>151315117
Haha
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>>151322716
>>151322767
>>151322800
>he unironically thinks there will be kissu
You are aware that's the single thing with the least likelihood of happening, right?
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>>151322716
Natural step after this
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>>151322532
Realistically speaking about 80% chance of a generic happy ending and about 20% of something akin to Peter Pan.

Pick your poison, either your beloved characters are happy in a forgotten show, or they are not in one that went downhill in the lategame but didn't completely cop out.
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>>151322800
The story has been planned for months already and he's already been paid. All that good sales would do is increase the chances of a show like this coming again.
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>>151322709
I don't know what would be worst.
>A shitty happy cop out ending like YuYuYu
>A cruel heartbreaking ending where Papika gets stuck in PI forever
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>>151322923
>peter pan

Sounds more like its gonna be kingdom hearts 1 ending.
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>>151322961
>A cruel heartbreaking ending where Papika gets stuck in PI forever
In a way, this would be refreshing, it gets tiring seeing perfect endings all the time
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>>151322961
why not something inbetween?
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>>151322934
>All that good sales would do is increase the chances of a show like this coming again.
And that's a bad thing how, exactly? Wouldn't you like to see some sort of Flip Flappers re-do that doesn't shit itself during the home stretch?
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>>151323004
>it gets tiring seeing perfect endings all the time
What anime have you been watching?
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>>151323010
Because something inbetween is how trainwrecks like Madoka Rebellion are created.
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>>151322886
>he unironically thinks that i unironically think there will be kissu when in reality i lost all hope
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>>151323050
>he didn't like Rebellion
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>>151323037
I'm saying that sales don't affect the outcome of the show at all. Of course I want it to do well and see another show like Flip Flappers with a good end in the future.
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>>151323050
Rebellion did absolutely nothing wrong.
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>people actually think a sad ending is possible given the way episode 12 ended

What kind of show do you think this is? We'll get a bittersweet one at the worst, but we're guaranteed some kind of positive note at the end.
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>>151323050
>>151323101
The fact that people are still butthurt over Rebellion proves that it did the most right thing possible.
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>>151323103
>people actually think a sad ending is possible given the way episode 12 ended
No, we're all expecting a shitty generic happy end, maybe with a YuYuYu-style asspull to go along with it.
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>>151323004
My life is grey and dull and I'm busy all day, can't I have something pretty and heartwarming?
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>>151323173
there's plenty out there for you to watch
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>>151323151
We already had the asspull
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Any update on marathon stream?
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Everyone will die.
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>>151323173
Just watch New Game or Gochiusa then.
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>>151323103
Happy ending flags:
>Yuyu and Toto are being redeemed, being shown to not be sociopaths via their concern for each other. Furthermore, it's shown that they look up to Yayaka-- they will be her new family and consolation prize
>Bu has gotten his own mascot
>Scenes of Uexkull at Cocona's house's ruins hint that Uexkull is going to do something before the end
>Not a single whiff of anything even remotely dark or depressing
>that fucking song
>>
>after all these years people still are mad about not understanding Rebellion and YuYuYu

I guess Flip Flappers should just copy them then.
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>>151323229
I think streamerfag, as well as postcardfag left us.
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>>151323229
it's next wednesday i think
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>>151323275
>sols
Nah those are not interesting
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>>151323292
>postcardfag left us
I'm pretty worried about this. I intended to draw a nice uexkull this weekend.
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>>151323292
As well as futanon.

Not really surprised, these last few episodes were a trainwreck after another.
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>>151323378
Draw it anyway and send him a mail. It's more reliable than posting it here.
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>>151323428
futanon is squeeing 24/7 on twitter about all those mimi/papikana flashback scenes, my dude
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>>151323428
She just posted porn yesterday.
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>>151323292
is streamerfag really gone? Shit, I might take up the mantle then if its required.

I dont know what the fuck I am doing, I don't usually stream anything aside from PS4 gameplay to youtube, but I will figure it out for you guys, it will be a worthy cause.

Link to futanon's twitter pls?
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>>151323526
>Link to futanon's twitter pls?

@bisexualrobot
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>>151323526
>but I will figure it out for you guys, it will be a worthy cause.
Making the shit finale hit even harder by streaming the good parts of the show immediately beforehand is worthy?
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>>151323292
Are they supposed to be here 24/7? For free?
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>>151323281
>Not a single whiff of anything even remotely dark or depressing
another bust
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>>151323622
it should make it better, yes.
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>>151323526
I don't know. Maybe they just need to take a break from this. But having a backup sure would be nice. There are these streaming sites that can play stuff off vimeo. But I've never done that myself.
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>>151323667
Also Papika's theme which involves being seperated from her love
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The amount of overreacting about the last episode is so bad I wonder what people actually expected.
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>>151323795
Well, she was for most of her life and 2.5 episodes.
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>>151323795
We don't know if that refers to her past or future
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>>151322894
None of those go together. The top one obviously goes with the Mimi and Papika scene. Second probably goes with the Papika-and-the-cock-tree scene.
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>>151323817
I expected Papika backstory in ep 12. There was none.
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>>151323140
I find it kind of amazing that Urobuchi knew exactly the way people would react to the movie and he wrote it anyway, the absolute madman.
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>>151323817
>entire last third is incoherent shit
>why does everyone hate it?
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>>151314728

I like her more since Papicake was introduced. The fact that her character didn't change at all when she grew up is nice.
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>>151323817
I expected it to be good after the trash that were episodes 10 and 11.
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>>151323905
Yeah because it's confirmed to be in 13.
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>>151323817
I loved the first half to bits but the second half was asspulls, rushed developments, and awkward directing. I agree that there's a lot of overreaction here though, but what do you expect.
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>>151323526
Use the stream site /a/ uses when they have the toradora streams.
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The one thing no one's mentioned that I'm going to get mad about is if Cocona never learns Salt is her dad, and if there's not a single father daughter interaction by the end.
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>>151323281
>they will be her new family and consolation prize
I'd like to hear them say Yayaka-oneechan before it's over.
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>>151324045
That's what made her gay
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>>151324045
She wished to meet her parent(s), not parent. I'm sure it'll happen.
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>>151324111
Technically she's already met both so her wish was granted
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Will papika have a oyakodo ending ?
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>>151324095
yuyu's ass is more impactful than her personality
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>>151324166
Yeah, but I actually wanna see them being awkward around each other. A dorky girl with an edgy autist for a dad is a great combination.
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>>151319832

OVER THE RAINBOW ending montage.

It has been foretold.
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>>151324253
Or even her robot arm for that matter.
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There isn't time for dorky daughter/dad moments, they only have 20 minutes to resolve this mess. Just stick to Papicoco
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>>151314728
I've never really liked her, i watch this for Cocona, Yayaka, the plot and the pretty pictures
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>>151323943
>>151323952
Not valid criticism. You seem to just be upset the story advanced beyond pointless episodic adventures, especially since the character arc undertones continued.

>>151323981
There were no asspulls and there was no problem with directing. The only issue was pacing but it didn't make the story incoherent. Why does 3 rushed minutes ruin everything?

It's like the complaints change every thread. I remember when 7 was called shit for being too plain and not doing anything to advance the story after 6, and this kind of shit continued up to now.
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>>151323943
>incoherent

funny, that's what people kept saying about the part that is the complete opposite
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>>151324295
Oh boy here we go
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FLIP FLAP

FLIP FLAP
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>>151324295
>over the rainbow

Don't make the same mistake I did with Madoka, where I expected this song from the OP release to have something to do with the ending: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3TdNk3x5HM
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>>151324361
>Not valid criticism.
And who the fuck made you the arbiter of criticism? Any and all complaints are valid unless they are factually incorrect.
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>>151324422
but they said it was going to play sometime during the last episode
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>>151323229
>>151323292
Streamfag here.
There will be a single stream at 3PM GMT / 8PM EST on the 28th. I'll try to be OP of the new thread closest to that time so I can call attention to it.

>>151323526
>>151323754
Calm down. I've actually been in the threads the entire day and got told to kill myself twice. Was having dinner.
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>>151324361
>Why does 3 rushed minutes ruin everything?
Because the content of these three minutes was pretty damn important for that story advancement you love so much (as do I). That was supposed to be a pinnacle of the whole story they are telling. And they made such a mess of it.
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>>151324451
Because people have been saying "it's shit" for weeks with no reason why, dumbass. If it's shit, fuck off and stop complaining about it every chance you get. Watch something else.
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>>151324526
whoa, link to source or proof?
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Thoughts?
https://shibirerudarou.wordpress.com/2016/12/23/cocona-invisible-divisible/
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>>151324532
ok, good on you anon, I will stop looking up livestream options and leave it in your hands then.
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>>151324532
Thanks bro.
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>>151324555
>Because people have been saying "it's shit" for weeks with no reason why, dumbass.
That doesn't make it non-valid you fucking sheep. If anything, it means there's a fucking problem.
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>>151324651
It's still not valid tho
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>>151323428
The majority of people despite the shitpost spamming you see in threads still think the show is good but think the current arc could have been done better.
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When are these threada going to be fun again?
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>>151324576
It's not a particularly deep analysis, but it seems pretty valid. The idea that Mimi represents other aspects of Cocona herself on a thematic level is just one of the fairly obvious things the shitposters that complain about the plot seem to overlook.
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>>151324532
Well, shit. I fucked up. Surprised no one notice I got the time wrong when voting for the poll? EST is 5 hours less, not more.
Now I'm not really sure what the main interest in that time was. Should I do it 3PM EST / 8PM GMT or 8PM EST / 1AM GMT?
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>>151324802
Phalic imagery has been really lacking in recent episodes
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>>151324802
Never.
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>>151324576
>https://shibirerudarou.wordpress.com/2016/12/23/cocona-invisible-divisible/

Thats a nice write up.
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>>151324543
It only becomes a mess if it ends up not making sense. Good Mimi showing up makes sense on rewatch, evil Mimi lost her cool and let her out for a second. Papika and Cocona then made their own decisions. That's why it's overreacting to throw everything out the window because of 12's ending, as if what happened ruined the story.

>>151324651
Because spamming "it's shit" over and over week after week and not going into a single reason why is pure shitposting and you know it. You sound like one of the people who called episode 9 shit because it had a plain PI or whatever fucking excuse you could come up with.
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>>151324802
Sunday. It's still post-episode shitposting.
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>>151324817
8pm EST works best for me since I am on the east coast. It would mean I can get comfy with a blanket and watch the marathon with all the anons before bed, preferably with a big mug of hot chocolate.
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>>151323817
>>151324361
You'll notice that the majority of people with extreme opinions about how "its all gone to shit and this is now the worst show ever" almost never give an actual justification with any effort to it. The people with genuine criticism make reasonable claims that they are willing to discuss and justify. I just tend to ignore any of the lazy shitposts for what they are. Take a look at this >>151293798 thread if you actually want to see some genuine opinions from people who had problems with the episode and not a ton of low effort shitposts attempting to rile people up.
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>>151324823
The dicktree though
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>>151315402
>she's been fucked with her whole life despite never ceasing to be optimistic and loyal.

That is why I love Papika the most. She is what I wish I could be. Forever the optimist always willing to do what it takes for the person she loves.
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>>151323211
>Paprika stealing Yayaka's transformation colour
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>>151324843
>Good Mimi showing up makes sense on rewatch, evil Mimi lost her cool and let her out for a second.

I'm surprised people didn't notice this to be honest, she managed to exert influence over evil Mimi in the previous episode too so it certainly wasn't an asspull.
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>>151323211
Someone needs to explain all the colour symbolism in this show
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>>151324843
It's a mess because interesting parts (Papika and Cocona's emotions and inner dialogues) were not given enough time, while what was shown was very expected and boring: evil Mimi being evil, Papika reaching Cocona, Cocona reaching Papika, them powering up due to the power of friendship and smashing the boss off the screen. It contrived to be rushed and lackluster at the same time, to the point that I hope it's a parody of lackluster resolutions that will be spun into something more interesting next episode.

I also find splitting Mimi into two parts a bit tasteless, but that's not the main problem here. The "I want Cocona to have the freedom I never had myself" almost redeemed the rest.
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>>151324651
People were saying "it's shit" for the duration of the show, so I suppose it was always "valid" then? Of course you can have any opinion, but unsubstantiated opinions of any kind are not helping with the discussion, and if they're nothing but confrontational assholery it's shitposting whether you have a point somewhere inside your head or not.
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>>151324915
In GMT time myself but don't really mind doing it then. I wonder about other EU people though.
Still, I imagine there's a higher number of people to who that time would be more convenient so keeping it 8PM EST / 1AM GMT for now.

If anyone who's planning on watching it has objections please voice them. There's still time to think about the best times and put up another poll.
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>>151325095
Not only that but Cocona's mind also has power over what is going on. The second she questions Mimi is when Mimi loses her control.

>>151324576
I normally hate this blogger shit but it's actually on point. Blame the pacing if you want, but this fits the entire theme of the story perfectly.
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>>151325239
People haven't given any substantial criticism before ep12, that's the difference.
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>>151325291
Eps were too good. Expectation was too high.
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>>151325291
Other people giving substantial criticism does not mean you can just crap out one-liners and have their argument somehow validate yours.
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>>151325291
People haven't given any substantial criticism as to why 12 was so bad it ruins the rest either. This >>151325230 explains how it could have been done better, not that what was done was inherently bad. That is valid criticism. "It's shit" is just shitposting.
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>>151325174
Papika, Cocona and Yayaka form a whole. That's really most of it. People keep calling Yayaka a side character, but it's obvious she was meant to be one of the mains from the beginning. Maybe not since episode 1, but the CMY/RGB color schemes were clear enough. I'm not sure if the color shift in the ep 2 PI is significant in some way.

>>151325254
I'd prefer the 8PM GMT time, but since it's the holidays I don't mind staying up all night too much. I wouldn't want to risk missing the episode by oversleeping afterwards though.
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>>151325230
Honestly the only criticism I can really get on board with is that they could have spent more time on the emotionally important parts. What was there was otherwise good it just would have had more emotional impact if they took things a bit slower and played up the drama a little more.
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>>151325230
I counted it. Cocona had 5 seconds to think over her mom's pep talk before coming back to life. 5 seconds.
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I agree. Salt could have been cut down to make more room for Papika and Cocona reuniting. The motorcycle scene served no purpose other than to make Sayuri look cute.
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>>151325623
This, the entire reason the Yayaka vs Cocona fight in episode was so good wasn't because of the fight itself- the actual fight wasn't that good or all that much. It was the drama, the music, the memories on the ice wall, the shattering, the implied jealousy of the papika x cocona reflections on the ice, and that amazing ending where Yayaka was almost gonna stab Cocona to tear out the fragment.
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>>151325721
>in episode 9

Fixed it.
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>>151325623
There's also the story (of Mimi and Cocona) being pretty basic, even if well-told. But that's probably me having too high expectations after the fantastic episodes of the first half of the season.
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What is this anime about, seriously?

Is it even worth it now that all of /a/ has seen it and ive missed all of the /a/train?
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>>151325442
I think compromising might work best. Putting up a new poll for the stream time.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11944672
http://www.strawpoll.me/11944672

>>151325623
After spending the whole series in Cocona's headspace, it feels a little odd to be mostly detached from it at what was framed as a moment of resolution for her character arc.
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>>151325230
And also this blunder
>I've always loved you, ever since you were born
What is this trying to convey? Loving an infant? I know there is an element of "love of destiny" in PapiCoco but if that is what this line was meant for this line failed.
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>>151325811
At least pick it up before the last episode. But yes, you missed the best threads.
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>>151325891
when is the last episode?
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>>151325811
Flip Flappers is the Space Dandy of Evangelion, the FLCL of Madoka, an avant-garde post-modern helter-skelter aggregation of, more or less, discordant phantasmagorical acid trips laced with yuri fanservice in which all current partaking female's breasts are no larger than A cups.
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>>151325938
Next Thursday the 29th. I guarantee you'll know by episode 3 if you'll like the show or not.
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>>151325872
"Love" Papika talks about is not romantic at all. And this line is the direct response to the Cocona's words from the last time they talked in ep10: about Cocona being a substitute for Mimi in Papika's eyes. What Papika tries to say here is that it's not true, she loves Cocona even if there's Mimi around.
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>>151326000
Your interpretation sounds good but that line was so damn misleading. What is Hisaya even smoking?
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>>151326000
maybe that line itself wasn't romantic, but Papika definitely did love cocona romantically before the memories came back.
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>>151325872
Papika is a baka. The love she felt for Cocona when she was born and the love she felt when they were 14 year old girls in PI were different kinds, but Papi probably thought that a line like that is endearing.
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I wonder Cure March's finisher
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oGkjlwIDdU

Inspired Yayaka's move here
https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/28773

She the green one after all.
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>>1513240452
Giving how good Mimi mentioned Cocona's father, that there's going to be at least one bit of familial interaction. Even if it's Salt dying, loses glasses, Cocona notices there eyes are the same and crying.
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>>151326122
Papika is a womanchild even when grown up, and before her memories came back her emotional development hardly exceeded 10 years old. It may make sense talking about Yayaka or Cocona being gay, but Papika having __romantic__ feelings for anyone is pure shipper delusion.
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>>151325872
I think that it was a kind of transcendental love you across all time and always kind of thing that they were going for.
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Papika considers Papikana a different person from her, come on now she said it herself
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>>151326286
I agree with this. Papika is a child mentally and emotionally. Though I'm not even sure about Yayaka being gay, I just took it as Cocona was her first friend so she felt jealous she had a new friend. Cocona is gay though.
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>>151325845
4pm EST / 9 PM GMT would be the best time probably. Europeans are at home, Americans will get back from work in time to see most of the series
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>>151326286
Are you saying 10 year olds can't have crushes? Because that is entirely wrong. I remember being very much infatuated with a girl from my class at like 6 years old.
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>Cockona
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>>151326257
Given all the other Precure homages in the series, I'd say it definitely is.
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>>151326315
But both Salt and Mimi commented that she hasn't changed at all.
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>>151326391
Well those are just their opinions
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>>151326381
crushes =/= love anon. You know that in your heart.
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>>151326382
COCONA!
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>>151326431
But those are definitely romantic feelings towards someone else. Even a child can tell the difference between that and the love for a brother or sister.
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>>151326476
Haha, no they can't. Especially not in Nipponese cartoons.
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>>151326381
Romantic love implies a sexual component. And Papika is even more innocent in this regard than you were at 6 years old, judging by how freely she gets naked around people.
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>>151325845
The entirety of episode 12 was in Cocona's headspace though, including both Mimis.
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>>151326431
Papika's action has checked all the points of romantic love: passion, intimacy, and commitment with only her intention unconfirmed.
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>>151326476
I couldn't until I fell in love when I was like 18 years old.
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>>151326538
Her intention is to remain going on adventures with her friend. That's all.
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>>151326501
That's pretty much what I've been thinking since episode 2. Papika loves Cocona with all her heart and would go along with whatever she wants to do. Good thing Cocona has a sex drive strong enough for two people.
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>>151326587
Cocona is innocent!
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So so
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>>151326587
I want a Papika!
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Would Cocona molest this child?
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>>151326619
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>>151326619
Cocona is a pervert.
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>>151326587
Where did Cocona learn those lewd thoughts?
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>>151326679
Mimi taught her everything she needed to know and then some.
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>>151326647
>>151326643

She just wants to play some Smash Bros
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>>151326643
It's only a matter of when.
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>>151326537
Care to elaborate on that?

The way I see it we're never made aware of how Cocona is processing the switch from DKR to DDDSK. We know she must have done so watching Papika and Yayaka's efforts to free her. We know she must have worked through her immediate reaction to the fact people were hiding things from her and reached the conclusion that didn't matter so much. But we don't know how she worked through it. That stifles the emotional impact of the resolution.

I thought that last few lines aside, Mimi's character was better handled this episode. As long as they keep treating the two Mimi's as facets of a whole, then the way both sides complement each other works really well in face of her backstory.
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>>151314728
Did they explain her de-aging thing?
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>>151326857
remember that everything is currently occurring within PI. IRL, Mimi has no body, and is instead possessing Cocona's body. Cocona can see everything that is happening, she just has no control. Mimi is "making the choices for her", as she said herself.
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>>151326857
Cocona's change from mindbreak to fluffy could have happened without Mimi's good side at all. Just have her watch Papika on the ground with a slowly changing expression while we see a few flashbacks of their time together before she finally breaks free.
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>>151326953
in the next ep
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>>151326953
it was hinted at, and confirmed to be explained next episode (which is the finale)
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>>151326391
Personality wise no she hasn't but the point is she essentially got a restart on her life which we'll see in the finale.
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>>151326587
Cocona will have to teach Papika what sex is.
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>>151326971
I think goodMimi's pep talk is a fantastic one about free will and independence. Cocona was given no time to react. The soundtrack didn't help either when Cocona waked up from catatonia it was of unnerving mood. The soundtrack should have started at the end of the pep talk to build up emotions and got happier after.
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>>151326647
I didn't even notice that hand on her back the first time I looked at this.
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>>151327125
This is a really likely answer that would solve all the problems. Still it's kinda awkward that she's ahead of Cocona in certain aspects of... knowledge.
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We should not forget this scene. Papika calls Cocona dear (My Love) while calling Mimi Gentle (easygoing). You may think it isn't romantic love but this pretty much confirms that it might be.
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>>151327205
This scene just means Papika wanted Cocona to have her mother back.
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>>151325943
>Flip Flappers is the Space Dandy of Evangelion, the FLCL of Madoka
kek I was actually thinking of both of these when I was watching it
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Everybody loves the entire show forever.

>every character is fully developed and deep
>the story is a personal journey to freedom through whimsicality and fantasy
>amazing soundtrack, magic ED
>full-circle, satisfying ending
>solid plot with enough reveals
>portrayal of complex emotions and basic, pure relationships

Flip Flappers has changed anime forever. AOTY.
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>>151326954
I'm aware. I'm not saying Cocona wasn't watching, I'm saying the way the episode was presented it's hard too infer what exactly is going through her head the whole time, which I didn't find to be the case for most of the series.

>>151326971
I actually liked the pep talk. After all, gaining courage to make her own decisions was something Cocona gained throughout the whole series. This was simply a reaffirmation of her capacity to do so after she reasonably started fully doubting it due to her circumstances (and having evil!Mimi corroborate it).
But it's exactly because that was not something completely new to her that I would have liked to see some focus on the trust issues at some point.
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>>151327230
What? she was talking about saving both of them...
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>>151327258
It's my favorite anime of all time but not even top 3 this season.
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>>151327189
She is and isn't. Ultimately Papika is still Papika and while she did experience a sort of life up until age like 20 or something you have to remember that that was spent being a lab rat with no real contact with the outside world and no social contact outside of Salt and Mimi, neither of which were exactly normal either.

It's conjecture and it depends on what goes down in the finale but I'm pretty sure despite everything Papika and Papikana are different people even if Papika has Papikana's memories.

>>151327205
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>>151327291
In addition to your interpretation
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>>151327283
>it's hard too infer what exactly is going through her head the whole time

Not much at all. She saw, but she was "incapable of making her own choices" based on Mimis influence. Mimi made her unable to think for herself, until good Mimi freed her and gave her the ability to choose again.

Its a plot device, and not a very good one, but I think it worked. It was worth it to allow the awesome scenes in episode 11 to occur.
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>>151327297
Why did this shot make me gay?
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>>151327333
>Papika and Papikana are different people
Wrong choice of wording.
>Papika and Papikana are different identities.
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>>151327258
And it shat itself as hard as possible at the end.

0/10, not even my top 300.
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>>151326971
Honestly I took Mimi's little address to both of them as being mostly internal rather than an actual influence of Mimi herself. Cocona's character arc has been her realizing that she can stand on her own and make her own decisions.

>>151327205
Honestly this to me is all the confirmation you need of how Papika feels. The distinction between (my beloved) Cocona and my kind Mimi tells you that Cocona goes beyond a friend for her.
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>>151327187
N-N-NO LEWDING
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>>151327372
NISHISHISHISHISHISHISHISHISHISHI
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>>151327377
Lets just use the Umineko definition of "people" for this and refer to the normal definition of people as humans.
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>>151327362
>Its a plot device, and not a very good one
Plotwise it's still good. Note how the pep talk is just about general principle of life instead of asking "don't you want to save papika?" Cocona made her own decision (which would have looked better if given more time).
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It still pisses me off so much Papika didn't show some sort of psychological distress after regaining her memories of who she was and why she no longer was, what the fuck
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>>151327362
>Mimi made her unable to think for herself
So basically, nothing was going through her head until the pep talk moment? Because that is my exact issue. I'm actually all for the cool stuff that happened in these two episodes. I just wanted to see Cocona work through her feelings from episode 10, which we didn't. We pretty much only saw the conclusion.
In a way I'm not saying anything different from the people who are claiming she needed more time to react.
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>>151327420
Right, she goes to best friend tier instead
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>>151327547
She had higher priority than worrying about her own well-being. You know what it is.
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>>151327547
She did. It was just very short.
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>>151327557
The last thing that Cocona was able to think clearly were those scenes in early episode 11 on the boat with Mimi. After that Mimi ASSUMED DIRECT CONTROL.
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>>151327547
She had a couple short moments in 10 and 11, but yeah, I feel you.
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6>3=4>9>1>10>2>5=7=11>8>12
There is no episode I dislike, though.
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>>151327622
Yes, and that means we don't see Cocona work through her feelings from episode 10. Or at least not in more than 5 seconds. That's my issue.
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>>151327701
>8 that low
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>>151327724
Feels like they sort of messed up the focus of the story. They didn't focus on the right things in the last 3 episodes which made them all seem weaker.

Apart from YYK. That was the right focus.
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>>151323004
Watch better anime then.
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>>151327724
and I agree, its a completely valid issue. Episode 12 is my least favorite episode of the entire show precisely because of this. I still think its good, one missed opportunity doesn't ruin an entire show, it doesn't even ruin the entire episode, but I do agree with you that this in particular is an issue and a let down.
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>>151327297
AND SO HAVE I
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>>151327701
>8 that low
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>>151323004
The shitstorm would be fantastic
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Literally mind raped

Did anyone else think they were actually going to kill PPK here?
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>>151323004
anime have endings?
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Papika loves her so much she can smell her.
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>>151327779
I agree. The thing is, I actually liked what these episodes had to offer in terms of backstory and thought Mimi's character was really well established for the little time she had in the spotlight. I just thought Papika needed some more time dedicated to fleshing her out and Cocona's excellent character arc deserved better payoff.

The Yayaka henshin this episode was definitely a highlight of the show.
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>>151327937
kek, this shit was so retarded, who the fuck wrote the lines in this episode?
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>>151327984
Really feeling it, aren't you?
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>>151327869
I thought we'd get some prolonged not-Papika that was all depressed until Cocona/Yayaka talked her out of it.
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>>151327869
I wish they had, would have given the episode some substance and would haev given CCN a reason to snap out of her mental cage without it being forced.

Unfortunately the plot armour was thick this episode.
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>>151327984
How can you say you love your waifu if you can't smell her pheromones from miles away?
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What went wrong?
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>>151328033
I'm really feeling something else.
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>>151327701
>le action is shit because I love DEEEEEEEEEEEP

MyFucking Kill yourself Shaftnigger
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>>151325872
And also this blunder
>C: I love, love, love you, Papika!
This is what we've been long waiting for, the mutual confession. But its delivery is awkward as hell. This shot is the most intimate moment yet it's broken up and put immediately after evilMimi's interference and Yayaka's reaction. What? Couldn't evilMimi beat Papika up first and let Cocona and Papika complete their confessions in one sequence?
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>>151327869
>mimi remember what you said?
>mindraped
>no, what did I say?
>changed memory plays
>suddenly can't act
>good!mimi shows her what really happened
>suddenly all good again
>literally one line difference in what mimi said
MIND BLOWN
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I wish for a world without shitposting.
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>>151328182
Too bad, my wish was for infinite shitposting
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>>151328060
>someone has to die to have substance
Madoka really did a number on you huh?
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>>151327984
Being retarded is in character for Papika, so, the line is ok
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>>151328182
Mimi's shards are fucked. No wishing for you, nerd.
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>>151328211
>>151328233
>>151328244
>those consecutive dubs
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>>151328154
not saying its not dumb, but we already have precedent for this with Iro.
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>>151328211
>>151328233
>>151328244
Nice
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>>151328368
That was completely different.
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>>151327764
>>151327850
I still love it. The only episode I wouldn't consider to be fantastic is episode 12 and I still have a lot I like about it.
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>>151328211
>>151328422
>>151328233
>>151328244
>>151328355
Nice
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>>151326857
I always thought both Mimis were projections of Cocona's subconscious. Mimi lashing out at the world for her loss of trust, with her own unsure and insecure words as a means to justify her actions.
>>
>>151326981
>>151326998
Thank god. Started watching it and
>that new instrumental part in the OP
Wow, that's good.
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>>151328355
>>151328422
Oh fug
>>
>oh yes yes yes here comes their reunion oh fuck its gonna be sweet
>i bet papika is gonna COCONA! and hug the shit out of her and Cocona is gonna giggle and "ehehe Papika please! you're squeezing me too hard!"
>then they'll draw back, still huggin and shit, and be all "im glad youre back!" maybe Cocona will make a sweet little "Um!" sound oh fuck thatd be cute
>here it comes dude, they might even exchange I love you's and shit that'd be so damn cute
>aaaaaaandddd
>brofist

FUCK YOU 3HZ FUCKING DROPPED
>>
>>151328427
>one single line/change of a past event mentally changing an entire characters personality.

Its pretty close senpai.
>>
>>151328512
Iro going to see her mentally ill aunt is different from Mimi telling Papika what she wants.
>>
>>151328478
We have achieved zero impedance.
>>
>>151328211
>>151328233
>>151328244
>>151328355
>>151328422
>>151328478
>>151328489
nigger you better not have wasted your wish on this
>>
>>151328499
Everything you typed before
>brofist
is viable for the next ep. You don't want to start fucking right in the battlefield when your enemy is still around do you?
>>
>>151328481
I like that interpretation a lot more, but where does that leave the actual Mimi?
>>
>>151328499
>>151328422
>>151328244
>>151328233
>>151328211
>>151328355
>>151328577

Look at all these dubs.
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>>151328626
if we get a 99 post in this thread, then Flip Flappers episode 13 will be the single greatest masterpiece of our time.
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>>151328573
>Posted at 22 seconds past

FUGGG
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>>151328211
>>151328233
>>151328244
>>151328355
>>151328422
>>151328499
>>151328577
It keeps happening.
>>
>>151328680
rolling
>>
Nothing special about getting dubs
>>
My search for the truth begins now: http://www.strawpoll.me/11945170
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>>151328778
>one off trips
NIGGA
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>>151328793
but just look at them...
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>>151328680
We can do this!
>>
>>151328778
>>151328815
What did you expect from that loser Cocona? She can't do anything right.
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>>151328812
dai dai DAISUKI
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>>151328793
You're just jealous you didn't get dubs.
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>>151328793
You suck at this.
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>>151328778
Just need sixes, eights, and o's and Flip Flappers well be saved!
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>>151328793
Nice try kid
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>>151328888
MASAKA
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>>151328888
Good one, son
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>>151328888
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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>>151328888
>>
>>151328888
OF SHIT QUADS.

FF will save anime with episode 13
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>>151328680
But we won't.
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>>151328888
You show him
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>>151328888
nice one kid, but check meine doppels
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>>151328888
Muri...
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>>151328888
AOTY
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>>151324576
That does a really good job of explaining the two Mimi's in a way that makes sense. It fits with what we have seen previously in the show as well with the multiple Papika's.
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>>151328888
>>
>>151324576
Pedantic.
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Dumb dubsposters.
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>>151328888
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>>151328900
underrated dubs
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I love love LOVE Flip Flappers!
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>>151329159
wonderfully gay.
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>>151329159
Why is Cocona such an alpha?
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>>151329207
Same
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>>151328211
Wishes do come true!
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>>151328499
Papika just ran across a meadow shouting how she loves Cocona

also they are wearing fucking wedding dresses
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>>151328499
They had a mimi to punch.
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>>151329053
Hmm?
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If dubs Episode 13 will deliver.
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