Changed the title to just "Dragon Ball" since threads tend to be about the franchise in general.
Reminder that the manga version of Super is not only superior to the shitty anime, it's also the canon version.
Follow this link for proof:
ForneverWorld made a video crying about it.
Remember that time Beerus merged with Omega Shenron to get revenge on Goku and Vegeta? That was weird, the Mexico arc always felt off to me, still better than the androids though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Be8vE-Spb8
It's not a DB thread without autists jerking to Toei or "/our guy/ lol"
I'd actually prefer to see shitty power-level arguments than these cancerous posts
Why can't the manga and anime just compliment each other? Actually don't answer that because it'll bait a bunch of retards into shit-slinging arguments yet again
New END song for Super.
I miss him already...
I hope the manga does him justice, because it seems they're pulling another Hit scenario (so far)
>It brings back Black
Everything past dragonball was a mistake
Part of Black's charm was shitting over everyone, I don't think he would have been anywhere near as exciting if he didn't fuck up everyone like he did in episode 56.
The way he always kept being smug was great.
Seventeen interacting with the crew
gohan not actually being a jobber and doing something
Master Roshi putting in some work. Piccolo and 17 interactions
more of Zeno being chill as fuck
Daily reminder that DBM Bra is /ourslut/.
>17 is back
This pleases me. Wish he kept the ascot though.
That there's no saiyan hybrid who hasn't done the god ceremony, I mean what's the big deal.
If Black didn't have the power to back that smug up he literally would just be a joke character.
How can Funimation possibly top Shin-ichiro Miki's Zamasu?
Zamasu became my favorite DBZ villain entirely because of the voice acting
I feel like anyone else screaming SON GOOKKUUUU is gonna fuck it up
I condone vegeta bullying
I think liam o'brien and maybe that guy who did Krishna in SMT IV could pull off a decent Zamasu.
But I don't think anyone will be as good as shinichiro, just like how Schemmel's performance will probably never be as good as the grannies performance as Black.
>we could have had ssgss have white hair and look like actual gods, but because of that nigger zamasu toriyama changed it to faggy blue instead
>VA's for Xenoverse don't get to listen to the original lines
Objectively false, already proven on Kanzenshuu forums that they are given samples.
Problem is that Sabat, who is now the voice director and defacto localization director in general, has his "own vision for what Dragon Ball is" and that's where the core problem lies.
To add to this, Schemel is Sabat's close buddy so they're two jerks that basically don't give a shit and will do what they want anyway because they think they know better.
The latter even mocked people on twatter when they were giving him advice and linking Jap clips.
But retarded dubfags will defend this cancer anyway.
>implying all information is taken from out of the forums on kanzenshuu
>tfw pulled Hit TWICE
Please get an awakening later, please get an awakening later PLEASE get an awakening later.
Also doesn't Jap Dokkan have some new system to help with duplicate SSRs? Anyone mind spilling the beans on how it works.
>This guy is the only person who does Vados art
Best Girl deserves better then this, holy shit.
Holy shit he does sound like Bale, what the fuck
This is the same faggot that was ok with those super duper epic heroic lines that missed the character's point from the dub so it's not that strange
I wanted more Vados fanart but not like this
> Hopes Goku never kissing Chi-chi was a Toei addition
> Toyataro also puts it in the manga
> Being on both means Kissless Goku is part of Toriyama's script
Why is she just fucking watching? That seems so out of character for her.
I mean Vados is hot and all, but really? Do you really need to cuck Chi-Chi? Fuck man, that's just rude.
Toriyama did say he hated the idea of Goku and Chichi being together and challenged himself to write something he didn't like, or something along those lines, but that's the general idea, it's just a fucking weird thing to focus on, it's not even funny, fucking senile Toriyama
What baffles me more is that Chi-chi never bothered teaching Goku how to kiss?
Did Chi-chi have to rape Goku to have Gohan and Goten??
Toriyama hates writing lovey-dovey shit. When he does put romance in the story, he also makes something awkward to happen so the scene won't be too romantic.
So the kissless Goku thing is actually to make the senzu kiss scene more awkward.
>Toriyama did say he hated the idea of Goku and Chichi being together and challenged himself to write something he didn't like
I thought it was like this:
Toriyama's editor wanted Goku and Bulma to be together, but Toriyama hated it.
He didn't like Chi-chi, but paired her off with Goku just to spite the editor.
>Toriyama's editor wanted Goku and Bulma to be together, but Toriyama hated it.
Wasn't it the opposite of that, but he paired him off with Chichi, because he hated drawing Chichi?
I think the wanting for Goku to have a child outweighed goku being in a relationship. That's why they sacrificed Chichi instead of Bulma, who I feel like is evenly as big of a character as vegeta is, rather than being less of one like chichi is.
I know he went SSJ1 but doesn't this look more like SSJ2?
>canon timelines (Toei a shit)
A - Goku-A dies from the virus. Trunks-A defeated #17-A and #18-A in this timeline (after returning from Timeline C), but was killed by Cell-A (which travels to Timeline D). The Earth-A is basically empty, only regular humans and Bulma live in.
B - Goku-B dies from the virus. Trunks-B deteafed #17-B and #18-B in this timeline (after returning from Timeline D). Since Trunks-B met Cell-A in Timeline D, was not killed by Cell-B knowing his plan. This is OUR alternative timeline.
C - Goku-C is saved by Trunks-A. Goku-C and friends (also Trunks-A) defeat some Gero-C's creations. We don't know what happened to Cell-C, Boo-C, etc, etc. The future of this timeline is uncertain.
D - Goku-D is saved by Trunks-B. Goku-D and friends (also Trunks-B) defeat some Gero-C's creations, including Cell-A and Cell-D in his embryo form (whose mere existence is revealed by Cell-A). This is OUR main timeline.
Those are the four original rings, the original timeline one (A), the second (C) created by Trunks-A's travel, and third and fourth created by Cell-A, "D" was created by the timetravel itself and "B" created when Cell-A info allowed Trunks survive in his timeline (going from being Trunks-A, destined to die, to Trunks-B, destined to survive).
Then, in DBS, Zamasu-D see Goku-D in the tournament (like manga shows) and starts his plan. Steals Goku-D's body, kills Gowasu-D and search for a suitable timeline. Zamasu-D discovers Beers-B death in Timeline-B (like the manga showed) so kills Gowasu-B and meet Zamasu-B. Zamasu-B and Zamasu-D are now best friends for ever (also no longer virgins) and they attack the Earth-B. This forces Trunks-B to travel again creating a new timeline, Timeline E (this is now our main timeline), in which Goku-E and friends are warned so Zamasu-E is killed by Beers-E. This timeline is created when Trunks goes to the past for first time in DBS, that's why Gowasu is surprised to see a new fifth ring, a new timeline.
SS1 and SS2 are indistinguishable for Vegeta and Adult Gohan.
Esepcially since they sometimes seem to forget the sparks for SS2 (M10, vs Dabura)
SS2 is over-rated. It's hailed as the best transformation but it's SS1 with sometimes sparks.
The anime seems to fail at making a difference, while the manga does a better job at showing the difference.
The movie, Broly Returns does a horrible job of telling you what form Goku and Gohan is in. A Return of F also was horrible for gohan just in general.
I like Black Goku's and Cabba's voice.
Hit and Frost is trash.
No blue electric sparks in the aura, so no.
Also Adult Gohan and Vegeta haircuts make it impossible to tell the difference by hair, you need to look for the sparks instead.
Only kid Gohan hair actually allowed for visibile difference due to longer hair.
Ditto for Trunks.
Only Kid Gohan ever looked different. And Goku if you count his bangs...
>But it looks the same as SS2 Trunks (manga and anime)
It doesn't though.
It's incredibly spiky compared to SS1 for him, especially in any shot that isn't a frontal shot.
Profile and from the back make it very easy to see how spiky it is.
Try 1min mark here for example.
In the manga, his SS2 hair doesn't have those 2 strands sticking out.
>about SS and SS2
Reminder people Black was only SS1. SS2 Goku's hair have at most three front tufts.
three or less = SS2
more than three = SS
>Better powerscaling (Roshi/Krillin/Tien jobbing, Buu fucking most people up, Piccolo back to SSJ2 power)
>17 character not getting fucked up
>Goku stop acting retarded (I'll start easy!! XD)
>Tien muscle comes back
Tien, Roshi, and Krillin getting some SS tier powerup, Gohan's ultimate form returns and its on par with SSG, while Piccolo gets a SSG upgrade. It's okay for Goku and Vegeta to be the strongest of the Z Warriors, but allow the other characters to have screen time to improve and develop. Dragon Ball Online and Xenoverse is incredibly interesting because it details the events after Goku and Vegeta are gone, and the narrative is overall more engaging.
I, Jesus Christ, it's honestly stupid how under powered the Human Earthlings are. Tien and Krillin are unable to beat first form Frieza, a low-tier villain in te grand scheme of things, while Toriyama just pulls random transformation for the Saiyans any chance he gets that can compete with literal gods, regardless how it contrived and nonsensical it is.
>Piccolo gets a SSG upgrade
DBH already have Namekians a god-form power up.
Red eyes, and I assume thinner like SSG Goku.
1 big down the middle and 1 small on each side is SS2, more than 1 big in middle is SS for goku...sometimes there's errors though.
Discarded because makes no sense you retard.
The anime series itself is official too but his timelines were confirmed for bullshit with no sense, unlike manga's
Show me a logical official timeline or kill yourself
Christ that's terrible. It's a shame because I actually like quite a lot of the dub voices, especially Beerus.
Not that I expected anyone to be able to beat Nozawa's performance as Black, it was fucking god tier and probably irreplacable to the character.
>Piccolo, Goku, Vegeta, Buu, and Gohan are xenoi
>18 and 17 are cyborgs
>Tien is from a enlightened mutant clan
>Krillin is also a mutant, given that he has no nose and is a manlet
>Roshi drank some immortal potion, or some shit.
There are literally no real pure humans in this team, and probably won't be any after Goku and his generation dies out. And, no, Uub isn't a pure human, either. He's a reincarnated abomination.
Is Gohan still shit in Super?
I can only rewatch the Cell saga so many times.
SS2 have usually three, but movement can cause the user have less than three. SS is the same with more tufts.
Even if sometimes Black have three tufts, he have more when remain static so is clearly SS, just seem a bit confusing because have sparks during many panels
Remember that Greek dude who fought well against Pikkon? earthling naturally more powerful than Frieza or even Cell.
or this could have also been one of those moments where powerlevels mean jackshit
Humans are canon fodder in the DB universe, at least Toriyama realizes it and doesn't bother going the pro-human master race 40k route. Either humans go transhuman like 17 and 18, or they breed with the Saiyans to compete. It's more realistic that way to show that humanity is pretty weak in the grand scale of power levels.
Reminds me of the whole argument he had with penguintruth.
And the time he deleted his twitter because people were asking when Super was coming out. Even his boy Chris Sabat called him out on his bullshit.
Seriously, what an unprofessional cunt.
One thing I've noticed in the manga is SS2 has the static, which reinforces the notion that the manga is more faithful canon while the anime is really just an adaption that somehow got ahead of the source.
So Toyotaro gonna end black arcs on one chapter?
So we get a Fucking short black arc with no ssg rosé explained (because we won't have SSJ ROSE) thanks to his shitty Mario kart ripoff ?
Toyotaro isn't our guy, he's a Fucking overrated hack.
Sean, like most VAs, probably doesn't have any sway over how voice actors are suppose to portray the characters anyway. That's the director's job. I'm pretty sure he was told to give Black a growler voice.
Toyotaro just fuck up for first time, even our guy isn't perfect. SS2 Trunks isn't SS3 tier, that's all.
Trunks SS2 <<< SS Black <<< SS2 Vegeta < SS2 Goku <<<<< SS3 Goku <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< SSG Goku < SSB Vegeta < SSB Goku < SSR Black (probably)
I'll talk as loudly as I want now, and I'll be heard. The reason is you're misunderstanding some things about companies and dubbing and how they control our mouths. Just because I was in the original DBZ, doesn't mean I liked it or supported it artistically. We were all frustrated with the old powers that be at Funimation, and for those of you who have never worked in show business professionally, which I would say is, all of you, you may not realize that many companies stance on gag orders is this. "Shut up or be fired." Also, I have a LOT more experience, writing, dubbing, directing and acting in anime than I did when I recorded DBZ the first time. That was my first acting audition. I understand Japanese culture, voice acting, adaptation, the differences between japanese and english significantly more, and, as far as music is concerned I have vast experience in that area, so when I tell you the music will suck, aside from your own subjective experience, I'm pretty qualified to talk about the suckiness of music or not. Of course to each his own at the end of the day. I will be silent about my opinions no longer. We did the best we could with DBZ with some really really crappy decisions that were made by people, who in my opinion, not only had zero artistic talent and experience, were also trying to appease american audiences to make money because perhaps they thought the Pokemon formula would work for DBZ. If America wasn't so uptight about things and parents didn't allow the tv to babysit their children, perhaps more shows would come the U.S. and be uncut. At the end of the day, I am, and have always been a freelance actor, and just because I work for a company doesn't mean I support their decisions. This is the first time I have supported Funi's decisions publicly, and the staff at Funi is now amazing. It's a completely different company.
Toriyama made very clear the differences between the forms
Black is supposed to enter SSJ first before SSJR but Toei went straight ahead to SSJR for the sake of wanting to unveil something cool.
Ss1 gohan has fewer vertical locks, and two bangs hanging down, ss2 has more vertical locks and only one strand hanging
Ss vegeta has fewer locks, and theyre thicker and less sharp, and the strands above his widows peak look different than in ss2
>Yamcha and Bulma still young
>Krillin is old as fuck
> Toyoyaro still has to unveil SSR
I hope so, because his current Black sucks. A punk jobber that isn't any threat whatsoever.
But damn that means he has to cram a ton of stuff next chapter.
Reminder that its fucking hair and changes depending on how they draw the character
The only character that you can definitively tell the difference between ssj 1 and 2 is teen gohan
>You know the voice work you did for the character? Don't use it. Use what i want instead
He's literally asking him to change his delivery because he was personally unsatisfied with it.
Sabbat and Sean don't have control over how DB is dubbed. They're not even officially part of the company (Funimation) that handles the English release of DB. They're freelancers who are told by some corporate entity to do things in exact detail of what they demand, or they get terminated, replaced, and blacklisted from the industry.
I don't understand how people can blame the VAs for the dubbing, when everything involving the dub, to the change of dialogue, tone, speech patterns, vocabulary, or even the voice they use is out of their control. They're freelancers, blame Funi, not the people that are just paid to speak the lines.
>will we bring in fighters from accross the universe?
>nah, lets just use goku, vegeta, buu and a bunch of jobbers who were out of their depth from the very start of dbz
super was a mistake
It doesn't even matter. Sean isn't responsible for the delivery or tone of Goku Black. They have directors, supervisors, and producers for that. He just reads the lines out loud for people to record them. The guy should have expressed his complaints of Black's portrayal to Funimation. Voice actors don't get a say.
Somehow the heroes always act better in the manga, but the antagonists of each arc(Hit, Black) are worse than their anime versions.
I hope this manga trend won't continue in the next arc, since the anime will be following the manga now.
I was thinking the tournament shoudl break down in 2 groups of 6 Universes.
With the Best 4 out of each group moves on the 2nd round(Quarterfinals, and so it becomes like a regular TB tournament).
It would make the whole thing completely unpredictable unlike the U6 Tournament.
>Voice actors don't get a say.
Not true at all
I work with vas all the time, and they have direction the type of voice, sure, but it's usually closer to "thats good, but deeper"
They're the ones who create the starting point.
>You're basically using that same exact argument
Anon, I know you can't use much your brain but please try it for me.
Trunks came back in time because Black, and "Black" existence (as Zamasu in Goku's body) was a thing because Goku.
In the manga, Zamasu knowing about Goku isn't related with Trunks travel, so makes sense, Goku existence lead to "Black" existence and "Black" existence lead to Trunks back.
Goku existence -> Black existence -> Trunks travel
In the anime, Zamasu meet Goku because they fight, and they fight because Trunks is in the past again, which makes no sense.
Goku and Zamasu fight -> Black existence -> Trunks travel -> Goku and Zamasu fight -> Black existence...
>b-but a paradox isn't necessarily an inconsistency!
In DB, it's. That's why different timelines are a thing. If Trunks change the past using the time machine, the time machine shouldn't be built so makes impossible change the past, that's a paradox. In the DB diegetic universe there's no paradoxes, the travel would cause another timeline where the history is different.
Black existence in the anime is paradoxical in a series where time paradox aren't possible, so anime timeline is absolutelly wrong.
Now you can rest. I know understand this is really tiring for you
I have friends that work in commercials, the actors who do the voice overs usually don't get the luxury of determining of how a line is delivered, especially involving its overall direction. Most directors are very specific of how lines are delivered in tone, dialogue, and what words should be used.
I even remember a dub actor, Vic Mignogna, who even complained about how typed role he is, because everyone hates his Elric voice, and the directors oppose him when he wants to deviant from that voice. He can do more than that, but his mostly only hired for that voice. That and Broly.
Voice over work is not the same as voice acting work
And as for vic, thats just him lamenting a decline in roles he had, and the effects of type casting. But we're discussing once you've been hired, being able to alter the role, which vic does.
A great example is scott McNeil, who did half the cast of beast wars, listening to how he came up with the various voices.
Funimation voice actors in particular are given a wide birth, as is sentai filmworks, because their voice directors often are vas themselves (or have relatives who are)
> Vic Mignogna,
Most young people now know him as the guy that voices Qrow from RWBY. Also, apparently, according to many cosplayers and /cgl/, Vic is a Christian fundamentalist who engages in phebophilia at anime conventions. I don't see any evidence of this, and if there is any by now, he should be arrested.
No it's not the same
One is complaining and not being helpful
The other is trying to improve something.
Its the difference between hitting someone for making a mistake, and showing them what they did wrong
>Christian fundamentalist who engages in phebophilia at anime conventions.
He's not a fundamentalist, he's just an open christian, very different. He was a minister before becoming a va (also a cop, and music producer)
The stories of him going after 16 year olds were mostly attributed to a fued between him and another voice actor. For a couple years they slung dirt at each other.
Can't speak for all the cases, but its an extremely common thing to falsely accuse vas of that.
DBGT and DBS (and the characters introduced in those series) don't exist in DBM. Beerus only appeared once as a joke.
Yamcha is an android, so he doesn't get old.
Bulma... well, I guess DBM's artist as almost as bad as whoever is in charge in DBS for drawing aging women.
DBM happens 10 years after the end of Dragon Ball (so 20 years after the Buu saga): Krillin is 58 years old. Let's say the beard makes him look even older.
You clearly have no idea what constructive criticism is, you fucking retard. Telling someone they should change what they're doing because YOU, personally, are unsatisfied with it isn't even criticism, it's just being a selfish faggot.
Try shutting the fuck up until you understand what you're talking about next time, it makes others take you seriously.
>a cute girly cat boy
But isn't that Champa anon?
>Gets called out on acting like an elitist prick
The Japanese voices are just as shitty as the dub in most places. Granny Goku is fucking awful and anyone who defends that voice is wrong. Now shut up and don't post again.
I don't buy the rumors either. I'm not a huge fan of Vic, Christians, or English dubbing in general. The people running conventions should take the harassment seriously, but the videos I've seen just shows Vic is one those people that talks about religion when asked, hugs his fans too much, and gets drunk at conventions.
I guess that annoys people and the rumors of him just get silly at that point. You think VAs harassing underage girls would be a huge problem, but the VAs that are being accused of it always get invited back. At that point, people should be more concerned with the slanderers that don't have any evidence to support their claims.
>being that frustrated about retarded shit
Take that dick out of your ass, anon.
I do get frustrated when people act like they know what they're talking about, yeah, but I guess if everyone is satisfied with being ignorant, it doesn't negatively affect me in any way.
>Goku is 5'9, so is his son
>Vegeta is only 5'5, and his bastard is only 5'7.
>Krillin is literally 5-foot-nothing
Why are there so many manlets in Dragon Ball? The only true Alphas are my man Tien (6'2) and Piccolo, 7'5, a literal giant. They're above 6'0, they should the main heroes.
I get the difference, but i also get that one mans critique is another mans insult, there is very much a grey area there. Which happens to be something actual real autistic people have problems understanding. Lashing out at things you dont understand is also another sign.
Congratulations, you just literally got told you are seriously on the spectrum.
He mentioned wanting to give the line and the character of Goku a little more depth than he usually has, so Goku sounds a little more sad in the dub for that scene. While the delivery hasn't been heard yet, some people have been on the fence about this because they're worried that the moment won't feel in-character for Goku.
>Is English your second language
Actually is. That even cares, anyway? Talking "like a third grader" or a diplomated in english philology I exposed the point why "the toei official timeline" is inconsistent so should be discarded. Any debate about my english is out of place
The average male height in Japan in 1985 (approximately the start of the Dragon Ball franchise) was around 164 cm, meaning that Goku was taller than average and Vegeta was about average. I don't see what's so strange about wanting a realistic depiction of height to connect more with the average reader.
Are you retarded? I think the Jap voices are horrible and this still sounds like fucking shit. Goku Black sounds like Batman, Hit sounds bored, and Frost sounds like a higher-pitched Frieza.
Posting GTv1 because I have nothing better to do
Still working on it
Fuck your elitist bullshit you absolute assbandit. Shit like this is half the reason normal goddamn everyday people cannot stand shitsnoggling, cumguzzling weebs like you. "Oh, I can't stand to hear someone speaking in English, I'd rather read shittily done subtitles." Fuck off to Japan if you wanna hear moonspeak all goddamn day.
Oh wait, you can't. Because you're too antisocial to actually make Japanese friends, too unfocused and busy with fucking Chinese cartoon porn to actually learn the language and culture, and entirely undriven and unable to get a proper job.
Post as anon. You might never see this. You might never know the contempt I have for you, for being the kind of person who perpetuates the bullshit that ensures I'll probably never even attempt to get into anime, but even a filthy casual like me knows that the dubs for DBZ were great. Suck the low-hanging fruit that is my left nut, it might offer a different taste than the mixture of shit and your own stale jizz that you're used to. I bet if I got a cute Korean girl to speak gibberish and gave you subtitles that said it was a delicacy in Japan, you'd believe me and slurp it down, you ass-backwards, unpatriotic, racist, gook-worshipping twatbadger. You haplod hobgoblin, I am embarrassed to consider the fact I might even share the same fucking clade as you.
Cabba is literally the only new voice that fits.
Naw, im trying to tell this dude he really might be autistic because he cant seem to understand that a criticism and an insult can essentially be the same thing depending on perspective, but hes being all concrete black n white about it so im like breh...
All because he was so assblasted tryin to whiteknight one of the dubfags tweets, like how he handled it much better than the dude who was just tryin to help him out
Not everyone is a shitposter yet, theres still some ppl who pay attention.
I always thought Earthling humans had a max power level limit. Toriyama even admits that 99.999999999 of all living being in the DB universe can't even come close to pre-golden Freeza of his first form, no matter how much they train because they just don't have the ki. Now Uub exists, but he doesn't have the biological make up of a majin, but still has Kid Buu's power level? It doesn't make any sense.
Frost is so fucking bad
>Welcome to me
What did he mean by this
I wonder what the fuck was the anon that originally wrote this thinking
>when I talking
Why is japanese Cell so fucking good? I love his voice
They DID used to complement each other. Back in Z and the original series, most (sensible) people knew the anime was a companion to the manga, which had the foremost authority on canon.
Now retarded animefaggots have fucked up the natural order. Don't blame mangafans for it.
I hope absorption is allowed in the multiverse tournament.
Not sure, he was fueding with like five guys
Thats why the rumor stuck, no one knew where it came from until years later when other VAs confessed the behind the scenes crap.
This was like 04-07.
Vic's married now, I believe, and hasn't had the rumors for awhile.
Personally, i think it was just people trying to get the subject of Vic's age to come up, since he used to hide it aggressively.
Basically, they make their competitors be toxic for PR, and they get the jobs he was in line for.
It was done as a favor to Goku for destroying an entity that could've obliterated the whole universe and afterlife if left unchecked. It's not a thing that is done randomly for no reason.
>implying I'm spic because english isn't my native languague
>implying be spic is bad
>implying any racist insult matter to me
Amerifats are hilarious
Whatever, I'm stop replying here since you already lose if all your argument is call me spic. Go to shot some black dude if makes you happy.
I can't understand why people care about power levels in the first place, but why the fuck would anyone try to figure them out in a show where Arale is more than a mere cameo?
Oh, THAT scenario is entirely different.
If a con uninvited, or specifically chose not to invite a VA based on speculation, without solid evidence, then they could lose any VA that works with them too.
Funimation could pull out entirely, which really hurt Akon for years (though they pulled out for very different reasons)
>you now realize 90% of why the original dub (and the only good dub) was so good was because of Bruce Faulconer and his music
What would your reaction be if it turned out Gowasu used the Dragon Balls to wish for a reincarnation of Zamasu, but as a good little girl?
How old is Gohan in the manga? What is such-and-such's specific battle power in the Freeza arc? What is Pilaf's dog-henchman's name? Which androids did Trunks mention? When does the Cell Game take place?
In each of these cases, there's perfectly valid viewpoint that the first version as printed in the pages of Weekly Shonen Jump is the only "true" version. Not the tankobon version, not the kanzenban version, but the WJ version.
And how much involvement does it take from Toriyama? Does he have to write it himself? Or just approve the change? Does the change have to happen in just the manga, just an adaptation, or both the manga AND its adaptation to verify its authenticity? What about the changes Toriyama directly makes to his own content that contradicts his own prior content?
You can't find any information about this online, because none such exists.
There are so few statements about continuity that they might as well not exist. They are generally off-hand statements in larger interviews, have never directly used the word (or Japanese equivalent) of "canon", and are not the actual focus of the conversation when the concept is brought up. These examples are pretty much limited to:
>Toriyama referring to the (older) films as, "stories in a different dimension from the main story of the comic" in his 1995 Daizenshuu #6 interview
>Toriyama referring to Dragon Ball GT as a "side-story" in his 2004 Dragon Box introductory comment
>The official press release for Battle of Gods in 2013 describing the product as a, "...new story in the official history"
>Toriyama noting his process for Resurrection 'F' as having, "...thought up the new story ... as though it were a continuation of the manga when it was in serialization" in a September 2014 V-Jump comment
>Toriyama referring to Dragon Ball Super as a, "...complete continuation of the Majin Boo story arc" in a comment provided for the Complete Showcase Event in 2015
There are other opinion-based comments (things like Toriyama looking forward to GT, Toriyama's disapproval of Evolution, etc.), but opinions should be considered separate from concrete statements in this discussion. It's certainly worth bringing to the table, but it's another level to the discussion, not the baseline.
So as you can see, there's been no comment what-so-ever as it relates to the time skip at the very end of the manga. We have no idea if they're going to cover that in the course of Dragon Ball Super, and/or if they will retcon it with an entirely different version of the story.
The Perfect Cell theme is one of the only good tracks, and even then it would fit better in a different context than that particular part of Dragon Ball Z. Like, it'd make for a much better theme for the Android Trio.
Shit, it'd fit better in one of the future sections of Chrono Trigger.
don't have that but here's something just as pathetic
Hit wasn't a villain, but he was an antagonist because he was an opponent the protagonist had to beat.
Manga Hit was lackluster, and so far manga Black is following the same path.
Toyotaro really should pay attention to that, he is making Black really boring compared to the anime.
Something tells me Black is going to keep jobbing to Vegeta even if he gets his SSJR powerup in the manga just to rush the fusion with Zamasu.
>>Toriyama referring to the (older) films as, "stories in a different dimension from the main story of the comic" in his 1995 Daizenshuu #6 interview
What the hell does he mean by this? Dimensions? Like complete different timeline realities, such as Future Trunk's reality? Or like the different realities Chronoa has to go through?
I hope Black gets this attack in one of the XV2 dlc, because it's really cool
Yeah, because it's a manga and he wrote bits and pieces of it.
There's no need to read deeper into it because "canon" means fuck all. Toriyama is the kind of guy who makes it up as he goes and changes his mind whenever, what's "canon" or not doesn't mean fucking anything. What matters is choosing whether or not you want to consume the media and what you take away from it.
Seriously, canon-fags are the cancer of modern entertainment.
>No notable injuries
>Clothing is unaffected
Yeah, it looks cool and all that but there's no tension, no weight to these, it almost feels like a videogame where you can just keep retrying
Is she and the rest of DB online and Xenoverse even canon? She deals with so many alternate realities, but Super only confirms there's only 6 different timelines, 7 if you believe Whis created a new one.
>canon-fags are the cancer of modern entertainment.
How is wanting a concise and concrete story "cancer"? The only problem here is the shitposters for either side and people not being self-aware.
Nah. Even if you want to say that the material Toriyama created for DBO is canon, which has never been confirmed, there the head of the Time Patrol was just an unseen "God of Time". Chronoa's actual design and character are a Xenoverse creation.
they skirt the line with comments like "official history" in the Battle of Gods press release. It's a way to pump up and acknowledge these new productions while not actually going out of their way to disavow all ownership of previous stuff like Dragon Ball GT (which they're still actively mining as the entire basis for an upgrade cycle in Dragon Ball Heroes, selling you $100 statues, etc.).
Possibly just a Whis clone? At least that's what she is in Dragonball Fusions. DLC for the original Xenoverse also included Trunks GT who was a complete clone of Future Trunks.
So far they've been better with Xenoverse 2's DLC though, so hopefully that won't happen.
There's a huge difference between continuity and canon, friend.
Continuity is wanting internal consistency and logic so that the storytelling doesn't fall apart. The desire for canon is superfluous and sprouts from retards who only care about "what matters," which usually doesn't actually matter at all. It's usually only important to people who jerk off to "who can beat who" discussions.
Seriously, the entire idea that people explain questions like "Why doesn't King Kai mention Bojack before?" with "it's not canon" instead of "Toriyama didn't write it" or "They didn't think of it yet" is just so silly, isn't it? It's a colloquial way of ending a discussion before it begins and assigning value to things.
Did the writers bother explaining how Black is able to pull off all these new moves out of thin air that resembles magic than actual ki techniques? He literally drew a weapon out of his body, created a rift out of it from another dimension, that spawned smoke versions of himself to fight Goku and Vegeta at the same time. How? Goku can't do that.
>I hope this manga trend won't continue in the next arc, since the anime will be following the manga now.
well i do feel like the threat of a villain isn't as inflated and their climactic story bit is rushed but these faults aren't really Toyo's fault. I do agree now that whatever he has planned won't be limited by the publication schedule.
Fuck, I miss Bruce's music. I wish they would have kept it in the Funi dub of Kai, or at least made it an alternate audio track like the Japanese soundtrack in the remastered dub DVD box sets.
What a fucking asshole.
He makes me so mad.
>Zamasu was a faggot
>Black was based
>They're both the same person
How did this happen?
Why do people believe the anime will be based off the manga? Sure, for the first 3 or 4 episodes it might be the case but then the anime will have catch up the manga and they'll be doing their own thing like they always did since episode 1.
The manga is always going to be behind the show even with its fast pacing because it's running monthly.
It's because Black's the one who did all the work.
Black's the one who assassinated Gowasu to become a Supreme Kai.
Black's the one who stole Goku's body and went through the trouble of finding a timeline he could exact his plan in.
Faggot Zamasu was just given the opportunity to kill all ningens. Based Black took it himself.
If someone at a bar had advice about my career, I sure as fuck wouldn't snark at them. They clearly give a shit about my work if they bothered to find me at a bar and know enough about my work to talk about it with any degree of knowledge.
we already have the 30th year anniversary Official Timeline from Shueisha/Jump.
It caused quite a shitstorm though, making Ep of Bardock canon and of course GT was excluded which made GTfags salty.
I wish Cell didn't go full retard at the end. His entire thing was that he wanted to be the strongest fighter and even said he would leave Earth if he lost. Why did he have to go all autistic during the Gohan fight?
Because the trailer showed that Toyotaro has artwork and storyboards for the next arc already, months before the actual manga chapter comes out. So, the publication doesn't need to be ahead.
There's also the 105 new warriors and 10 GoDs. No way Toriyama is designing all of the warriors, so it seems like they're going with a plot that will allow them to add tons of filler in the middle of the arc.
What the fuck are you retards whining about?
>the new cool thing is talking shit about a VA based on nothing but a Twitter comment
>I'd better follow the masses to look cool even though I don't even understand why I'm pretending to hold these opinions
>Tfw the first post was the canon troll who samefags both sides
Besides when he got wrecked yesterday
>Tfw its still happening 450 posts later
Why are people responding? Report and move on. I can't believe he isn't banned I've never seen someone shit post more frequently
1) Toyotaro himself said he'll be ahead of the anime and said that they'll be "relaying information to them"
2) there's a difference between production and publication schdule.
Shueisha/Jump establishing the Dragon Ball Room and being the primary franchise rights owner and trying to break down the borders between division was an amazing step towards quality production for all mediums. Hopefully a stronger bond between the two means that the anime will increase in quality.
Something simple as having pre existing storyboards goes a long way.
I can only guess Toriyama wanted to get rid of Cell completely, like how Frieza was supposed to be the final boss, it really doesn't make sense, considering he could still improve
>wahhh wahhh I must be let to voice act however I want to!!!1!one!11!!!
He pretty much repeatedly says that criticism sucks.
>"Would you say that to my face if we were at a bar [that you didn't like my performance]?"
>Implies professional, non-snark replies are the same as being a little bitch and backing down, tantamount to fearing your audience.
>"I...care if you are moved by and believe my performance as Goku," he says, in reference to anything else (including disliking his performance) not mattering.
His core point about people talking mad shit, overanalyzing social media, and not paying attention to social cues is solid. The other shit he's whining about is childish.
Well technically based on the way of the time fuckery there is a timeline where Cell wins the world tournament because Trunks never returned after leaving as Future Cell killed him.
In this timeline Cell kills all the Z fighters because Trunks wasn't there to inspire Vegeta to cheap shot Cell. And presumably Cell leaves the planet.
Some youtube guys did a live action of that Universe that is actually really good.
Maybe because pic related but who really knows.
>In this timeline Cell kills all the Z fighters because Trunks wasn't there to inspire Vegeta to cheap shot Cell. And presumably Cell leaves the planet.
But Gohan is only wounded in the first place because he tries to cover Vegeta after he blindly rushes to take on Cell due to Trunks' death. The Daizenshuu says that the fate of that timeline is unknown and that's the only official word.