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Hi, my name is Cocona

>father a chuuni scientist
>mother an overprotective yandere
>childhood friend literally a spy
>best friend actually mom's friend
>granpa an insane klan leader
>granma literally a robot

Thank you for reading
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>>150975977
You forgot family pet being green, sentient rabbit.
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>>150975977
Nice blogpost
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>>150978093
And you moron bumped it. Fucking newfags I swear.
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>>150978146
Bump
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>>150978652
I'm starting to suspect that the real Papika actually died in that explosion and whatever we've seen all along is a replica of her made by PI or something
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Papika and Mimi's showdown better be fucking hype.
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>>150978779
>sacrificed herself to save friend
>reincarnated
Shit, we really are penguindrum now.
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>weird inter-dimensional incest yuri

literally who is the target audience for this show?
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>>150975977
so wheres the subs?
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This is Yayaka's future.
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>>150979184
Gogoanime has subbed episodes
>inb4 >streaming
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>>150978779
Probably not, Salt's conversation last episode told us that Papika lost her memories in the explosion. It seems like that's all there is to it
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>>150979184
The same place as always.

>>150979317
>Streaming
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Why does Horrlbesubs always fuck up on Thursdays?
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>>150979163
The same person for whom all of the really necessary shots are done.
Me.
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>>150979594
Someone needs to compile them.
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>make Evangelion 4.44
>call it Flip Flap
>only a small handful of greasy otaku bought it because it seemed sorta yuri
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>>150979561
I blame that late Matoi release.
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>>150980096
nice work anon I like it
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The show is shockingly bad for all the attention it gets here.
>shallow, cutout characters who have no development and have no reason to act like they do
>inconsistent plot about a fuckload of nothing
>rip off multiple better sources for content
>don't explain much of anything because it doesn't make any sense
>yuribait to reel in yurifags despite everyone being straight

Sad.
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>>150980153
Nice pasta
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>>150980096

>No red filter
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So we're pretty much agreed that the only reason there were guns this episode was so they could make the preview more exciting right?
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I hope nobody gives the shitposters attention and (You)'s.
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>>150980153
Your life is shockingly sad
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>>150980201
>>150980232
But it's true. This ep sucked.
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>>150980226
>Coconaposting will die with the show
>All these 10 second edits, lost, like personalities in Deep PI
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>>150980270
>Papika faces are here forever
Smug Yayaka also has strong staying power.
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>>150980226
But of I don't reply to them then I won't get (You)s.
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This is a genetically engineered super soldier designed for extreme cross-dimensional warfare.
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>>150980364
What if I reply to (You) instead?
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What is it about the mimi/cocona family that makes papika go bananas?
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>>150980270
That's true for any ongoing show. But when you accidentally meet one in 5 years, you'll know that it will never actually die. Or, rather, it will die with the people who were in these threads.
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>>150980382
She needs some dick in her ass.
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>>150980382
>genetically engineered super soldier designed for extreme cross-dimensional warfare
This is one of the most chuuni things I have read in a while
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>>150980382
>genetically engineered super soldier
>uses a gun
Still don't get what her purpose is in this show.
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Yayaka Henshin soon
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>>150980431

Maybe a super soldier in PI

She ain't worth shit in the real world
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>>150980404
Ye, you could say some shows just start a fire, brother
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>>150980251
I really liked it
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>>150980400
Am I thinking too much or was there a similar shot in Asuka's flashbacks?
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>>150980431
If you've got a gun, you can just shoot people. Much more convenient than hand-to-hand combat.
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What went through Papika's head when she looked at baby Cocona and said "I'm going to fuck that in 13 years."
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>>150980523
Probably exactly that.
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I want to help Mimi make some friends for Cocona.
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>>150980504
Yayaka manages to be fine without one. Yuyu doesn't really use her gun much. BRRRRRTTT
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>>150980523
Probably nothing and that irks me the most. She's just a mentally challenged little puppy, while her designated girlfriend had a long and detail coming of age and coming out story. Cocona deserved a more fleshed out partner.
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>>150980212
Here
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>>150980549
You are too filthy and thus unfit for such purpose. You'd be turned into clovers on which Cocona will be pleasured by her Mimi-created lesbian lovers.
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http://www.strawpoll.me/11883047
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>>150980624
Thanks for giving multiple options
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STANDING
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>>150980624
The Salt one is stupid, he has already shown emotions.
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GET IN THE VAN, THIS CLASSIC ROCK AND BEER ISN'T GOING TO CONSUME ITSELF
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>>150980673
HERE I REALIZE
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>>150980673
ON THE EDGE
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>>150980673
ON THE EDGE
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>>150980707
YOU WERE JUST LIKE ME

>>150980708
OF THE CRATER
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>>150980673
So this is her final form?
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>>150979351
How the fuck did she turn back into a loli?
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I'll be sad if Salt doesn't do anything else for the rest of the show.
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>>150980755
Pure Illusion magic
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>>150980755
It's Pure Illusion, nigga.

I ain't gotta explain shit.
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Just a heads up, we're clearly not done with the flashback.

This episode's flashback ended with Mimi going into the white light while holding Cocona, and Papika following her. The next shot shows Salt standing in the ruined research lab with Mimi, Cocona and Papika gone.

But Cocona grows up under the control of Asclepius.

Something happens in the PI that Mimi fled into (and that Papika followed her into) which caused Mimi to split into shards, Papika to lose her memories and de-age, and Cocona to fall into the hands of Salt's Dad. That event hasn't been shown yet, which means that either episode 12 or 13 will return to flashback and show us that important final piece. Otherwise the transition from Mimi turning evil to rescue Cocona and Cocona growing up with robogranny and KKK grandad makes no sense.
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>>150980755
>loli
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>>150980471
Probably not what it rerminded you of, but this was the most powerful scenes in EoE and still very similiar
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>>150975977
Kids are better with their father than their mother.
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>>150980846
I meant the one where Asuka's mother said something about hating her to the loli Asuka. Though this one may also work.
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>>150980673
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>>150980622
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>Red Roll Nyunyu
>Blue Roll Nyunyu
>Yellow Roll Nyunyunyunyu
>HI HAAAAAAAAAHHHH
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>>150980909
Freud pls
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Who was dad?
Are there 12 or 13 episodes?
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How would you react if Flip Flappers ended in a 3 way between Yayaka, Cocona, and Papika?
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>>150980909
PUNISHED YAYAKA
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>they didn't actually turn Yayaka into a robot
>Nyunyu didn't shoot her gun
>Papikana didn't actually walk in on Salt getting intimate with Mimi
>Mimi didn't try to jump seduce Salt
I feel like /a/'s speculation turn out to be more interesting than the actual show again. Every fucking time. It's not offensive like in Mayoiga, but I still feel like they're wasting potential.
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>>150980909
Please step on it, Yayaka-sama!
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>>150980965
>Who was dad?
Salt.

>Are there 12 or 13 episodes?
13
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>>150981002
>it
Take that back right now
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>>150980966
Joyful masturbation.
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>>150980995
>Nyunyu didn't shoot her gun
Yet. I still feel like she's final boss material.
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>>150980966
It's agreeable. Yayaka deserves to win the Coconabowl in some way.
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>>150981025
I think he meant penis
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>>150980995
Even if those are fun, they'd all fuck with the show in a negative way. Besides Nyunyu shooting her gun of course.
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>>150980382
You mean genetically engineered super cat girl soldier designed for extreme cross-dimensional warfare.
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What's going to become of the twins?
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That this shot comes directly before Salts dad loses his mind makes me think that Mimi and Papika fucked him up in deeper PI.
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NOW I'VE LOST IT
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>>150981116
No shit, really?
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>>150981124
I KNOW I CAN FLAP
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it'll end with cocona and yayaka, papika will take the salty one
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>>150981116
It was stated as clearly as it could be without explicitly showing what they did in his PI. Iroha's episode served this very purpose.
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>Salt's isolation chamber and all of his instruments were probably destroyed

Poor bastard
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>>150981116
Exactly. That's why Bu-chan worried a lot when Cocona and Papika entered it
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>>150981116
Same way Cocona and Yayaka fucked up Iroha.
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>>150981116
No shit Sherlock.
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>>150981053
It wasn't good to begin with but this is actually the worst anime of the year right now. This trainwreck is just unbelievably bad.
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>>150981152
THE TRUTH LIES BEYOND THE PI
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>>150981124
>ep12 will be a howler confirmed
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>>150981158
>Yayafags being this delusional
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>>150981116
Did you know that the shards they were collecting were actually Mimi's?
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>Salt has 15 years to come up with a countermeasure to his out-of-control godwife
>His best effort is a fucking stonehenge surround sound system that gets disabled in 5 seconds
Is there a single character more useless?
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>>150981116
And they irreversibly ruined Iroha in the same way they ruined him.
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So right now my theory is that Salt is secretly Cocona's biological father
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Yayaka speaking with Nyunyu felt like deja vu, like it's supposed to parallel Cocona meeting Papika.
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>>150981085
Nuyunyunyu will shoot them both and rape their corpses.
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>>150981213
KKK leader?
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>>150981208
>>150981189
>>150981141
Don't be rude.
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>>150981215
>Your theory
It's like a fact for several weeks now
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>>150981224
>they actually made Nyunyu so Yayaka could have a partner
>the whole "we don't need you anymore" thing was just them teasing her
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>>150981053
>>150981190
(You)
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My oh my there were a lot of namedrops this episode.

39(Tied for the record) Coconas, 6 Papikas, 19+2(flashback, exactly the same) Mimis, 17+1(same flashback) Salts.
Tying everything together is one measly Yayaka, just for comedic measure.

Didn't even bother counting the Nyus, since I've no idea what to count as her name or not.

Do we have 1 or 2 episodes left?
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HS is out.
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>>150980966
Yaya only see her as a friend. Only papika love love LOVE her.
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>>150981189
That scene turned me on. What kind of person am I?
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>>150981267
2
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>>150981224
>inb4 age gap yuri
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>>150980400
It's the smell.
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>>150981124
How does this relate to audio/electronics?
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>>150981215
>theory
It's a fact at this point, anon.
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>>150981295
A bad one.
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>>150981262
>can't take criticism

Your anime is shit.
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>>150981324
A howling sound, duh.
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Nice cassette player, KKK.

Mimi and Papika played it backwards and fucked up the playback. I guess that's why the tape unraveled
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What was this suppose to be?
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>>150981175
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>>150981359
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>>150980382
The real best girl.
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>>150979163
Short hair Cocona is so much better.
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>>150981267
>39 coconas
Its not the same if they aren't all said by Papika.
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Looks like this week was a bingo, too.
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>>150981359
It's not about your criticism, you are just annoying
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>>150981400
IMAGERY OF TEETH
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>>150981397
Holy shit.
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>>150981429
Shit taste tbqf
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>[HorribleSubs] Flip Flappers - 11 [720p].mkv
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>>150981407
Don't really care, I'll just enjoy making fun of its inevitably bad ending and sipping yurifag tears like Hibike and Izetta.
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>>150981437
what was the reference?
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There are only two weeks left. How can I brainwash myself into shipping Cocona and Papika again so I won't get let down when Yayaka loses?
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>>150981488
Yayaka's gainax pose
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>>150981488
Eva all over the place
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>>150981473
The faggots finally deliver
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>>150981474
>ghost cocona
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>>150981400
Clover

>yfw Cocona gets lily powers
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>>150981437
We did have puffy vulva though. Remember the between-the-legs shot of worst girl?
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>>150981488
There were a bunch of Eva references
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>>150981267
FUCK I FORGOT

TOTALS:

>C: 244+1+3 = 248
>P: 124+5 = 129
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>>150981521
>Cocona loves Papika about half as much as the reverse
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>>150981489
Because Yayaka is setting up Papika with Cocona right now.
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>>150981514
>worst girl
Shit taste detected.
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>>150981512
Ah, okay.

>>150981488
For one, see >>150980096
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>>150981489
use this
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>>150981400
its the flowering body of the clover plant. Do you even go outside?
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>[HorribleSubs] Flip Flappers - 11 [720p].mkv
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>>150981180
How did Buu-chan know though? His supposed creator, Hidaka, did not even know about the portals to deeper PI.

Buu-chan is Papikana's brain confirmed.
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>>150981509
You could have emailed them about it. It took someone on IRC to get them to release them.
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it's hard to give a shit when the leaders of both the good guys and the bad guys are both completely ineffectual wastes of screen time that literally do absolutely nothing the entire series
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>>150981599
Bu-chan is the real Mimi.
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https://twitter.com/Infinite_PRdayo/status/809367355193049089
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>>150981599
Probably Salt informed them about the danger
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>>150981605
Are you fucking serious, they didn't know?
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This is Nyunyu, the third Amorphous Child.

We purposely trained her wrong, as a joke.
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>>150981262
>I have to maintain my hugbox!
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>>150981489
Even Papicoco is hard to come true perfectly. They increased the degree of difficulty pretty much.
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>>150981656
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Are we getting a kissu?
Place your bets.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11883276
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>>150981656
Why does she want to hurt things
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>>150981658
>when you gotta kill some niggas undercover so you wear your camo robes
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>>150981656
I want to train her asshole.
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>>150981658
What was his endgame?
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>>150981658
JUST
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Jesus Christ HorribleSubs, took your sweet time today.
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>>150981656
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>>150981685
HOLY KEK
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>>150981656
If you've got an ass I'll kick it!
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Not telling Sarudo about Cocona at first was stupid but good ep overall. Some stuff I don't think will get adressed :
>Another bust. Was FF killing random girls?
>Other FF's members backstories
>What the fuck is Totodile?
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>>150981677
Salt has to kiss the fuck out of Mimi and get rid of evil Mimi
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>>150981656
Shoot that robot then if you're so great.
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Which Mimi was Cocona on the boat with? Earlier there was an implied sort of split personality going on with Mimi, where there's a nice one and a sort of sinister one within waiting to take over. So when Cocona wakes up on the boat and Mimi starts talking to her, it gave me the impression that Mimi was the friendly one (while the sinister one is controlling her physical body), but then the internal Mimi started acting pretty sinister too...
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>>150981677
I think kiss won't happen, just like no one will die. I think it will a fairly tame ending going along with this >>150980995
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>>150981682
I don't know, but it makes my peepee hard.
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>>150981682
nobody knows, not even the writers
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>>150981722
And people said Sayuri was useless.
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>>150981644
They don't watch anime. One even said in the channel weeks ago when someone requested Matoi (Anime Network) since they download those manually.
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Mother x daughter doujin when?
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>>150981694
Hang niggers on trees and dress little girls in lewd clothes, then have them fight.
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>>150981267
I've been waiting for you.
>7am
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>>150981732
Yayacat defending her consolation prize.
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What did Bu-chan mean by this?
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>>150981730
Please 3Hz. Save Christmas
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>>150981677
No. Yuri is degeneracy and this episode literally confirmed het feelings from everyone.
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>>150981760
>flip flap
>doujins
anon...
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>>150981656
>what do we give her?
>we've ran out of weapons
>dunno, let's give her this plastic wheel we found
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>>150981757
I hate having to rely on these cunts for subs
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ok so are there literally 2 different mimis now or is that just a metaphorical thing
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>>150981656
I want to nunyunyu Nyunyu.
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>>150981784
What is up with these arbitrary lines?
Use a 13 degree polynomial fit.
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>>150981802
Then you should just learn Japanese.
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>>150981685
I giggled.
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Fucking amorphous children are cool, but apparently they're shit-tier since they can be defeated by even Yayaka.
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Just caught up from episode 6, and everything has finally come together.

Most surprising was how quickly Salt's character turned around.
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Episode 2's PI was Uexkull's, that's why he wasn't present in his normal form and instead turned into a big buff anthropomorph
Episode 7's PI was Papika's, that's why there were hundreds of different variations of Papika suggesting elements of her character that were entirely unknown to us (locked away by amnesia), and why she only appeared as the Papika we recognize at the very end. This is also why retrieving the shard from that PI and returning it to the real world began memory recovery. The multiple Papikas weren't a defense trap, the trap was deal with offscreen by Yayaka&co. It was actual Papika by Cocona's side all along. Meddling around in her PI and taking the shard out of it is what precipitated the beginning of Papika's recollection of Mimi and her former life as Papikana.

Episode 8's PI was Bu-chan. He wasn't present because, just like Uexkull and Papika, he took the form of his PI alter-ego as Pops.

These are the only 3 PIs onscreen that have been owned by one of the main cast, as they're the only ones where a member of the main cast entered and became their PI alter-ego without the intervention of a defense trap.
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I'm surprised KKK let Salt bang Mimi
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This is a (You) for you know who.
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>>150981807
Obviously we are gonna beat the vicious mimi now.
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>>150981843
Wow thanks anon, I never thought of that
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>>150981825
13 degrees for 11 reference points?
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>>150981855
Yayaka didn't defeat them, she just evaded them. Nyunyu could possibly be hiding the KKK's last resort too.
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>>150980673

Is Yayaka a Darkness Hero fan?
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>>150981794
>papika flat out states she love love LOVE cocona
>everyone is het
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>>150981860
>Most surprising was how quickly Salt's character turned around.
Not really. It is not hard to see Salt as holding back so he doesn't sperg out in front of his daughter.
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>>150981860
please describe salt's character for me
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holy shit Salt went from 0 - fucking based in this episode
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>>150981790
Being the masochist he is, Bu-chan came from the thought of being hurt by Nyunyu.
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>>150981875
Only if they could watch.
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>>150981875
They enjoyed the show.
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>>150981694
Make PI and the real world merge together, apparently.

He got what he wanted, I guess.
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>>150981896
Can it be mine?
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Fucking hell, they just created Niuniu to make fun of Yayaka. Then poor thing has to cheer up the girl who cucked her but she's still ready to kick butt. She's really the best.
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So the "bad side" of Cocona from episode 3 that was amplified by the mask was actually Mimi huh
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I guess you could say this episode really put the yuri... on ice.
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>>150981907
There are 13 episodes.
While it isn't done, you can just adjust a sine wave or whatever.
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Literally a loli with a gun.
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>>150981790
Premature ejaculation.
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>>150981967
No, it was her shadow self. Same way Mimi "switched" with her shadow self during the Great Escape scene.
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>>150981875
>they built a special room for Salt and Mimi
>told them there were no cameras
>room has more cameras and sensors than the entire rest of the lab
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>>150981896
For Akemi?
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>>150981563
Let's settle this: http://www.strawpoll.me/11883348
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>>150981991
Cocona's shadow self is Mimi
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>>150981977
Tight pussy.
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>>150981967
Time to rewatch.
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Yayaka = Asuka

Niuniu = Mari
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>>150981429
t. Nisio Isin
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>>150981917
She's fucking 40, it's a platonic motherly live.
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>>150981969
>yayaka broke the ice
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>>150981967
is there one for this episode already?
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>>150981797
This guy is making one.
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>>150981542
And yet she bitches about Papika not loving her.
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>>150981977
loli liek gun
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>>150981875
The KKK approves non-black breeding.
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Stitches when?
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>>150981825
Options are Cubic spline or B-spline, Resolution and Data points order.
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>>150981966
I think we are all forgetting that Papika spent like 20 years getting cucked by Salt. It's Papika's turn to get some love. Yayka will have to sit on the sideline and watch them just like Papika did. Don't worry though, Cocona will go insane after her and Papika have a child together, Yayaka will try and save her, she gets turned into a child without memories, falls in love with Papika and Cocona's child and rinse and repeat.
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>>150981734
Mimi (I think) said that everyone has multiple faces that are all still that person, so maybe a third one? I mean we've seen Mimi as a woman (nice one who loves Saruto-hakasen), Mimi as a scientific experiment (wreaking havoc against her captors and forsaking the world)- maybe boatMimi is Mimi as a mother: doting and well-meaning but ultimately overprotective and moderately self-absorbed
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>>150981802
Well they do host the shows for a long time in XDCC. Even Golden Time is still available. Someone just needs to remind them to rip if the bot broken. This however does not apply if CR only has 480 hardsub.
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>have to wait seven (7) days before YYK dies

why would they do this to us
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I wrote a song for Nyunyu

Loli's got a gun
Loli's got a gun
Her whole world's come undone
The Flip Flappers are on the run
What did old Grandpa do?
What did the KKK put her through?
THEY SAY WHEN NYUNYU WAS ARRESTED
THEY FOUND TOTO UNDERNEATH A TRAIN

I hope she likes it...
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>>150981916
>not gunbuster
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>>150982040
No it's not. Cocona's shadow self is Cocona's shadow self.
Mimi has her own shadow self, and that is presently possessing Cocona.

In episode 3, Cocona's shadow self was brought out by the mask. It hurt Papika because at that point in the series, they weren't really friends yet, and Cocona was still hostile to Papika. They reconciled at the end of the episode and then became friends in episode 4.
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>>150981807
Its not so simple as two Mimis. There is Mimi, she has a part of her that is sweet and kind, but there is also a part of her that is fiercely protective, especially with Cocona. Since she's so closely connected to PI, it was easy for this one part of her personality to take over completely when things were looking bleak.
Now the healing can begin, and the Kokomine's can become a happy family.
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>>150982095
Nice.
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>>150981439
>omg dissenting opinions are so annoying
hello reddit
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>>150982143
Jesus Christ anon
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>>150982149
I disagree, I think Mimi's shadow self stores Cocona's negative emotions as well and the reason why she attacked Papika was because Mimi wanted to protect Cocona by not getting her involved in this whole PI stuff
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>>150982120
40 minutes or so. Most have already been posted.
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>>150982183
>Omg I don't like what this guy said so he must be from reddit
Have you considered that not everyone that you don't like isn't from reddit?
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>>150982100
The whole Mimi shit was triggered because Cocona thought another girl was cucking her. Just like the third impact was triggered by a masturbation session.
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>>150982054
It's worth noting that phallic imagery in this series has almost always been associated with evil or antagonist characters/behaviour. Cocona had her big cockship in episode 3 when she was under the influence of the mask and going postal, the KKK have always had a phallic association both with their costumes and with some of the more subtle imagery associated with them, and Mimi's cocktree prison is a pretty blatant one itself.

Every time a phallic image crops up, it's denoting danger (the hard black bitey bite cable in episode 2, the clocktower in 5) or sinister intent.
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>>150982225
But I want yours.
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How come every series has to have at least one character that is completely irrelevant? Does the character designer just throw out more ideas than they need and they go "oh okay we'll use that one at some point?"
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I'm a bit disappointed they couldn't keep up their storytelling style and had to resort to flashbacks and expositional dialogue.
Of course there is a pressing need to give answers, but it could be handled better.
Like most of the backstory could be shown in Sarto's PI, or something
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>>150982280
>expositional
expository
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>>150981053
why are you copypasting stuff from a different site, can't you come up with your own stuff?
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>>150982273
Irrelevant is subjective when it comes to entertainment purposes
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>>150982273
I doubt Nyunyu is totally irrelevant. She's going to pull some shit before the show ends for sure.
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>>150982280
Yeah it's shoddy but at least it's over.
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AOTS, easily. Might be my AOTY, depending on how they round off the series
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>>150982264
A-anon, this is so sudden.

HS just finished downloading. I'll make the stitches first then before other screenshots.
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>>150982220
If you're looking for Mimi in Ep 3, its plant loli. She not only used her knowledge of personalities to put a wedge between the two, but also tried to tempt Cocona into staying in PI forever.
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I'm afraid Papika will turn into the ugly adult once this is over.
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>>150982359
It's closely beaten by Girlish Number for me but yes, excellent series
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>>150982280
Flashbacks are rarely a good thing in storytelling. I just hope we're done with them mostly at this point, even though I greatly enjoyed 11 more than 10 and both had them.
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>>150982226
nice way to sidestep what I was talking about in the first place
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>>150982273
Because there's a committee involved with the production of a show, the number of characters and their designs can be influenced by goals not based on the narrative itself.

For example, they might want to meet a certain character quota because they intend to market character merchandise and want a lot of options so the feedback from popularity polls is more helpful. Or they might write an extra character in just so that they have a bit role for a seiyuu that one of the the involved talent agencies wants to promote, or because the record studio wants to have them sing character songs.
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>>150982356
She's gonna pull the trigger.
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So the Mimi who fucked things up and took baby Cocona is another side of Mimi like the papikas in ep7 or is there a scecret eldritch abomination about to pop up?
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So, now does everyone here understand that, from a strictly legal pov, Salt raped Mimi?
Now granted, whats a rape on top of multiple counts of kidnapping and murder of children.
But since Mimi was confined by Salts father, and was not free to leave, Salt having sex with her is statutory rape.
The only thing we don't know is how much Salt, biological child or not, was a prisoner of his father.
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>>150982379
NOT UGLY
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Part of me wonders if copypasta and reposts happen so frequently in these threads because ESL shitposters aren't confident in their ability to articulate a post in english themselves and trawl the archives or other websites for something resembling coherence that they can participate with.
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>>150982290
Thanks anon.
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>>150982359
Mob was my first but FliFla is looking to have a stronger series of ending episodes, so I'm just seeing how it wraps things up.
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>>150982374
I don't think people manifest inside PI, unless it's their specific one they are entering (like with the doctor/bu-chan)
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>>150982359
It's the worst show of the year.
>>150980153
>>150981053
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>>150982420
>being this much of a burger
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>>150982358
Not yet, this anon >>150980802 has a point.

I'm still quite upset we're not seeing more of Papika's POV.
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>>150982420
B A I T
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>>150982422
Pop her collar and she'll look like a dyke.
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>>150981224
What's so good about age gap yuri? holy shit, you have a mother for that.
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How did they manage to make a mascot character that is genuinely likable and funny?
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>>150982444
The shards are literally pieces of Mimi. Every defense trap is a manifestation of her subconscious. Some of them, like plant loli, were just more cogent than others. It even has the same eye colour
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>>150982464
Pretty sure its that way in most non-muslim countries.
Certainly in places like Germany, Sweden and Canada, not just the US.
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>>150980382
What the fuck is this suit design?
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>>150982483
You're a dyke
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Familiar values in anime are shit, "Normal" Families dont exist, always are the center of some conspiracy where minors are tools.

Look all those Gatebox threads and look why japan is dying.
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>>150982454
>self-linking to troll pasta

HE'S GOING ALL OUT
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>>150980673
Was the MGSV reference intentional?
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>>150982374
>Mimi is plant loli
Fuck.
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If anything, the yuri is strong in this episode. Papika choosing to basically save Cocona instead of Mimi says a lot.
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>>150982474
Yeah but the setup flashbacks are done. Honestly, the interactions between Mimi, Salt and Papika are just awkward and shit.
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>>150982497
By making him a peverted self-insert character who gets off on being abused by little girls.
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>>150982499
huh makes sense, I never saw it that way
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>>150982422
I love the fact that they actually made adult Papika look like a lesbian.

Even if he's just fucking with us, the director knows what's up.
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>>150982499
All the Defense traps have red in them somewhere. Even the room in 9 had a red floor, and clocktower had a red clock face.
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>>150982497
By not making it a shitty, irrelevant penguin.
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>>150980027
Oh shit, you're right, HS is finally caught up. And it only took them like four fucking weeks.

Too bad for them, I'm still watching [seiya] all the way to the end.
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Keep in mind to be her current age, Papika didn't just have to be turned young again, she also had to have been turned into a baby and raised again.
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>>150982541
Posts like these make it hard to either call someone a retard or just call it bait
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>>150980909

Punished Yayaka
"A girl robbed of his waifu"
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>>150981931
Cute nerd trying to look cool, feels conflicted about ignoring his kid but it's all for his keikaku which is to shoot his wife and clean up his dad's mess so he rocks those shades to hide the pain.
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>>150982497
The fact that it moves like a jalopy and emotes by making emoji with its eye was endearing.
The fact that it got destroyed almost every episode was funny
The fact that it was a pervert constantly creeping on young girls made it a self-insert.

Bu-chan is my spirit animal
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Well guys, what do you want after this episode?

inb4 'delete this'
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>>150982586
Or she was trapped in PI for years.
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>>150982621
Anything but het.
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>>150982621
>Papikana breastfeeding Cocona

what
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>>150977624
Every rabbit is sentient
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>>150982553
I was fine with 10 but 11 was really pushing it. Willing to forgive all the dramatic crap if there's a satysfying ending


>>150982621
>sweet, new cute fanar--
FUUUUUUCCCCCK
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>>150982621
MimiCoco of course.
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>>150982621
Anything but yuri. I hate straight characters being portrayed as gay.
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>>150982621
>tfw read cute as wet
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>>150982621
Shouldn't Mimi be breastfeeding her? Is that healthy? also delete this
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>>150982621
Futa, you are really trying to upset the yuri haters. Keep it up
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>>150981599
Bu-chan is Salt's Dad's real brain after his brain got replaced with Dark Salt's Dad, just like with Mimi and Dark Mimi. That's how he knows

It's basically confirmed
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>>150982621
Inducing lactation takes a lot of dedication and sucking time.
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>>150982621
Salt looking at Papika in her age-reversed 15 year old body and imagining Papikana's christmas cake ass in those white jeans
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>>150982575
>>150982497
To be honest, I liked Pen² more. He was occasionally funny in different ways, while Bu-chan is just perverted from time to time. I don't care too much about any of them, but if I had to decide I'd pick the penguin.
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>>150982701
How is that upsetting?
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>>150982524
It's designed for maximum flip flapping.
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>>150982420
Salt was DRUNK. Mimi was DRUNK.

Salt and Mimi hooked up.

Mimi could NOT consent.
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>>150982621
Oh boy.
I want Cockona being molested by Mimi.
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>>150982621
This is a complicated feel.
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>>150982621
I still want Papicake x Cocona. pls don't make it dirty, just something cute
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>>150982729
Baby Cocona is literally sucking on Papika's tit
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>>150982621
Fun time with Yayaka and Nyunyu
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>>150982497
I am genuinely perplexed by this. By all accounts he ought to be annoying because he literally makes President Aria-tier noises all the time. Maybe it's the combination of being a shameless pervert and being a punching bag that gets trashed every episode.
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>>150982538
You seem upset you can't form an argument against mine. This is a trainwreck worse than Cross Ange.
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>>150982699
Wet nurses have been a really common thing throughout history.

Back in the feudal ages, noblewomen often had their first child before they could actually produce enough breastmilk to feed their baby and a wet nurse would be necessary to care for the child. Bear in mind this was back when those women were married off the moment they had their first period and babies conceived on their wedding night.
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>>150982741
Same idea. But in this case Mimi was a kidnap victim and Salt was her kidnappers son.
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>>150982621
It would be a crime if you didn't take advantage of this outfit.
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>>150982769
Can we really count wet nursing as age gap yuri?
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>>150982792
I'm not even involved in this but you do know you have to be 18 to post here right?
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>>150982621
I'm okay with this but how is Papikana lactating enough to feed baby Coco when she isn't even pregnant? Unless-
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10 bux on that Salt wakes up and finds miniPapika
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>>150982810
She has the same dressmaker as Shimakaze.
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>>150982546
>Salt got to tap plant loli
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>>150982590
Come on, she has the same hair style and the way its pinned up looks like a horn
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>>150982699
>Is that healthy?
What, having a female other than the maternal mother breastfeed? Yes. Especially in cases where the maternal mother has a condition which prevents her from doing so.
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>>150982812
We can do whatever we want, whether it makes sense or not.
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And in just one episode, Flip Flappers became AOTS.
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>>150982812
It's not age gap yuri at all.
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>>150982857
I'll bet Mimi goes full plant loli when her switch is flipped
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>>150982720
Buu-chan does some other things like
>piuuuaaaaaaa illuuuuusionnnn
>gokigenyou
>getting destroyed every other episode
>being a fucking brain on wheels
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>>150982293
Why don't you address the points instead of worrying where it came from?
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>>150982756
Any ideas?
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>>150982810
>sayuri dressing nyunyu in the cute dress from EP2
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>>150982871
>not AOTS since episode 3
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>>150982871
It's been AOTS all season anon
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>>150982882
FIGHTO DAYO
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>>150982871
WAOTY*
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>>150982356
>but Cocona, that little girl hasn't done anything yet
>look at her, she's gonna do something, and you know it's gonna be good
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>>150982882
C-cute.
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>>150982837
Mimi had been sucking on her for months at least, yes.
That's why I said it takes dedication. Any woman between menarch and menopause can lactate, but the breasts have to be sucked on as often as a newborn feeds each day for several weeks. People really don't have the time for that just to do it for kicks.
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>>150982853
Salt is pretty hot desu
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>>150982871
>>150982903
>>150982921
>what is Matoi
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>>150982899
Can you please just do a happy picture with all 3 girls. Lewd or not lewd. I just want to see all 3 together right now
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>>150975977
Ahh Cocona, or some say Mimi... Do you hear our prayers?

Please grant us PI like you once did the vacuous papikana.
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>>150982871
I found this actually one of the weaker episodes

My personal ranking goes

1>3>5>9>10>7>11>8>4>2
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>>150982621
>inb4 mods consider breastfeeding nudity

Free the nipple desu
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>>150982952
He looked pretty dapper when he wasn't hiding in the shadows
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>>150982952
Agreed.
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Oh looKy looky. Now this shit episode with this hack writing is going to appeal the normalfaggies

Im done

gainax is beyond redemption
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>>150982899
Papicake princess carrying Cocona while Cocona awkwardly stares at Papicake's breasts
>Daidaidaisu- Hey, my eyes are up here
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>>150982983
>bringing a gun to clover fight
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>>150982983
Looks like one of those badly drawn DeviantArt original characters.
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>>150982952
>>150982983
we need more art of my waifu salto
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>>150982975
Where did 6 go?
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>>150983009
Here's your (You)
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>>150983022
Buy the BDs
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>>150983022
Nigga he's wearing a suit and a jacket, calm down.
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>>150982621
Something threesome so that everyone can be happy.
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>>150982903
>not AOTD since episode 1
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>>150982621
Papikana confronts DarkMimi after they disappear at the end of the flashbacks.
Mimi makes Papi go poof
Last frame is baby Papika and baby Cocona holding hands or cuddling in a crib.
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>>150983024
Mimi please
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>>150982890
-Because I mostly agree
-Because I'd rather talk to the original person who made those points than some retard who looks for others to make his arguments for him
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Dick status: flip flapping
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>>150983024
He's not your waifu
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>>150983069
>detailed toes
Thank you based 3Hz
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>>150982944
Was thinking of Mimi using PI magic to give Cocona a little sister with Papikana but yours is less complicated so let's go with that.

Now onto the real question, does Papikana has bigger tiddies than Mimi or it's just her clothes illusion?
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Real talk
http://www.strawpoll.me/11883675
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>>150983033
Fuck you
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>>150983079
Well Mimi doesn't want him either.
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>>150983069
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>>150983079
god i wish that were me
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>>150983108
She literally begged him to save her
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>>150983069
>>150983084
>feetfags

Also I wish they had given papicake some sexier clothes. She really looks like a dyke.
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>>150983032
oh right, 6 should be in place of 7 and 7 should be below 8
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>>150983139
>She really looks like a dyke.
I think that was the point, anon.
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So Mimi basically DPI'd herself evil so she'd have the resolve to protect her daughter at any cost, and only afterwards realized that she'd made a mistake
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>>150983095
>Bu-chan winning
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Question. Why introduce Nyunyu now? We're one episode away from the end. Why introduce a new character?
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>>150982497
He was hilarious in Episode 5, how he was gradually dressing up like a girl.
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>>150983139
>implying papidyke is bad

cute tomboys are a best, anon
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>>150983135
literally
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>>150983167
BUY THE BDS
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>>150982963
I almost feel sorry for you. When are you going to give up?
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>>150983167
>We're one episode away from the end.
>tripfag in charge of math
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>>150983139
>She really looks like a dyke.
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>>150983160
Mascot that's relevant almost every episode
vs
Mascot that shows up once in a blue moon to indicate when Cocona is PMSing
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>>150982899
Something with Cocona blushing looking at Papi's tits. This is pretty gud >>150983010
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>>150983139
Anon, she's a prisoner in a lab. Do you really think they would give her sexy clothes?
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>>150983160
We were just talking about how great Bu-chan is so it's not really fair. If this poll were posted in Episode 2's thread it would be all Bunny.
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>>150983033
gobble a dick, deepshit
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>>150983185
>pls don't have different opinions from mine
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>>150983045
I meant it's drawn poorly.
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>>150983167
There's 12 and 13 left.
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>>150982899
Mimi lovingly unbirthing Cocona who is wearing a (full) diaper
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>>150982890
Many of the points are either nonsensical or not even inherent flaws to begin with. And no one will waste their time refuting a hyperbolic bait post in earnest.
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>>150983199
At least Mimi has a pretty dress.
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>>150983199
They gave some to Mimi
Also that shot is after Papikana had been free for a year and only just been recaptured
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>>150983241
No
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>>150983167
Cocopaps need a daughter. Or Yayaka needs a consolation prize.
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>>150983199
>prisoner
>sexy clothes
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>>150983241
delet this
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>>150983241
Now that's disturbing.
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>>150983241
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>>150982899
Papidyke bridal carrying Cocona like a cool onee-sama.
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Fuck deepshits
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>>150983241
>tfw FutaAnon is going to draw this to piss us all off

please don't
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>>150983224
You seem to be quoting yourself there. There's not one flip flap thread where one anon won't shill Matoi in one way or another. I would not be surprised if it was the same person every time. Is it so hard to accept that other people don't like it?
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>>150980153
Go watch we suck dick on ice.
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>>150983343
>You seem to be quoting yourself there.
No, you're the one snapping out at a side comment that wasn't even meant to be taken as seriously as you're taking it.
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>>150983330
Drawing the unbirth of full-sized Cocona sounds pretty difficult practically.
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>>150983330
He already drew baby Cocona sucking Papika's tit, this isn't that much further
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>>150983176
Tomboy doesn't necessarily refer to a dyke, anon.
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>>150981734
ミミはミミ
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>>150983397
Why does breastfeeding gross you out, anon?
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Yuyu will save the day.
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>>150983084
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>>150983421
Toto is Totoast
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>>150983417
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>>150983421
Yuyu will fail to save her brother's life.
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>>150983411
dykes dress like tomboys
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Anyone else get the feeling like the KKK wizard guys and the laboratory people are connected somehow?
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>>150983421
She has to save Toto first :^)
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>>150983449
>the mimi going rogue isn't actually mimi anyway
I hate this.
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>>150981734
Nice Mimi is locked away in her own PI. The Mimi Cocona is dealing with is the evil one.

Or it's probably better to say that they're all just Mimi, and her negative traits are simply dominant right now. That's why there was always a duality to the figure of Mimi in the dream, but also why it was presented so ominously. The tree was an omen.
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>>150983473
She may be transgender though.
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>>150983474
Doesn't do much good now, they're dead.
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>>150983452
>>150983482
For the 30th time, no one will die. If they didn't kill off Yayaka and didn't have NN shoot her gun it's not gonna happen.
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I demand more age-gap. When is Yayaka going to flip Nyunyu's flaps?
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>>150983382
Nice goalpost moving and great damage control. I'm done here.
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>>150981967
Note the similarity between the mask cocona wears and the headpieces they wore for the elpis machine
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>>150983500
has papika been papito all along?
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>>150983474
Did you figure that out all by yourself anon?
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Mimi is in her own PI here. The apple is basically another one of those "warning, do not enter Deep PI" signs, and she touches it.
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>>150983449
They forgot the pupil
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>>150983488
Yeah they have no teeth to commit to a villain. What a worthless fucking character.
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What exactly is Papika expecting to happen when she goes after Cocona? I mean, this is Mimi, her first friend after all.
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>>150983530
>butthurt buzzwords
No skin off my back.
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>>150983488
Did you not watch the episode.
Mimi is Mimi. The dual-character thing is just a simplified way of representing it. Both represent aspects of the complete whole, but while she was originally one whole, she's now given herself over to those qualities that produce the Mimi we have now while letting the qualities that made her nice and pleasant to be around fall to the background.
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>>150983421
What can this ass not do?
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>>150981116
They probably made him a better person but he fucked it up himself after he realised that PI has that power
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>>150983473
And? A dyke may be a tomboy, but a tomboy may not be a dyke.
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>>150982963
>>150983571
>every single thread
Die already!
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>>150983542
He's a big smart boy
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>>150982975
3>1 but I can agree with the rest.
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>>150983544
She touches the forbidden fruit and it beckons the parts of herself she rejected, the temptation to use her powers for violence. She puts her child above her morals.
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>>150983617
For you.
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>>150982975
>10 that high
Good fucking lord no.
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>>150983585
Make me control my boner.
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>>150982963
I'm sorry, who?
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>>150983544
also
>yayaka called Deep PI gate a portal to hell
>anytime the gate opens it, it releases a person's inner demons
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>>150983648
>implying there is anything wrong with 10
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>>150982963
You're more pathetic than the Rakugo faggots.
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>>150983681
There's everything wrong with 10.
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If Mimi and Papika accessed the PI of Salt's dad when he was in the ELPIS machine, how did Cocona and Papika enter Iro's PI?
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>>150983681
The ending was literally the only good thing.
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>>150983698
>tripfag
>calling other people pathetic
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>>150983681
The way it abruptly cut to flashback in the middle of that Cocona/Papika scene was really poorly done.
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>>150983708

The ELPIS machine lets them go direct to someone's personal PI. Coconut and Paprika just happened to stumble across senpai's PI.
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>>150983679
>Senpai's inner demon got away from this world and now Senpai is normalfag
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>>150983708
Using Mimi shards.
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>>150983585
>>150983653
But she's 11.
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>>150983167
So Yayaka won't be forever alone
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>>150982899
Not right now, but maybe try doing something with the Twins utilizing their swimsuit holes or exploring Nyunyu later (if/when they have more scenes to work with). The amorphous children kind of grew on me, they deserve some attention.
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So KKK leader/Salt's dad build a robot resembling his wife to look over Cocona? That's messed up
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>>150983708
They got into Iro's PI because they had spent the day with her, and were thinking about her as they crossed over. I think ELPIS is just a device to streamline that whole process. Make it more scientific and less messy.
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>>150983763
Even better.
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>>150983763
That she is.
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>>150983763
Even better. x2
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I can't wait to laugh at the yurifags when this ends in unambiguous het.
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Is Salt dad of the year?
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I can't wait to laugh at the shipperfags when this ends with nobody getting together.
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So why and how did Papikana revert to being a kid?
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>>150983839
he's my daddy
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>>150983810
But Cocona has zero male love interest.
It's most likely going to end platonic.
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>>150983839
The closest he's ever been to his daughter was when her body was under direct control of him demon waifu.
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>>150983839
Salt had a hard life
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>>150983810
And I can't wait to laugh at retards like you who shit post all day about how the show has no yuri in it what so ever when it ends in a kissu
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>>150983810
>unambiguous

besides Salt, Hidaka, Toto though there's no one really relevant enough for that to be the case. And no way is a platonic ending enough to overcome /u/fag delusions.
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>>150983810
There's no male love interest. Wait for unfullfilling ending instead. Iexpected everything to come back to how it was before ep1, but since Cocona's house is gone maybe she'll live with Salt.
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>>150983839
Salt is kawaii
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>>150983839

When did he even fuck Mimi? Were they watched by security and his father?
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Anyone else get the feeling like Mimi is going to be the "bad guy" and Papika/Yayaka are going to have to set aside their differences and work together?
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>implying Papika won't get together with Salt
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>>150983896
phrased like that it's pretty fucking sad
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>>150982963
>every thread until you like it
You sure are desperate
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>>150983942
He raped her.
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>>150983951
No, that would be crazy.
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>>150983951
Is this a new meme, pointing out the obvious from last episode?
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>>150983951
Thats not a feeling, its obvious. They are going to destroy the evil Mimi and free Cocona and the good Mimi that is being suppressed.
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>>150983951
Have you gone into PI, anon? doesn't seem likely
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>>150983951
What? This is Guilty Crown trainwreck tier
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>>150983988
Probably just autism.
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>>150983763
On a scale of 1-10, you mean?
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>>150983988
Did I just fall for the memepost?
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>>150983951
You're fucking insane anon. No way that will ever happen
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>>150983607
>>150983654
>>150983698
>>150983964
You know you could have just ignored it, right?

Man, you guys are in real need of a chill pill.
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>>150983988
>pointing out the obvious from last episode?
Its like Ep1 "did you realize this is their school covered in snow" all over again. Only no Sodium Vapor kun to save us.
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>>150984028
Nice way to mask your idiocy.
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>>150983974
Please go back to shitposting on /u/.
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>>150983988
You don't have to be mean
>>
The backstory drama was so bland and cliched. It was so predictable, but not in a pleasing way. At least you can forgive the shadow theme in Persona because it's just a game, but for an anime like this, it's so disappointing at least in execution. They were unable to pull it off in an interesting manner probably because the staff lacked talent overall. For example, they could just make it short, vague, and spread all over the place or in repetition, like a puzzle, and let the viewers think of it themselves. Thus, Mimi for example remains a vague entity whose character is like an ominous phantasm of some sort, a mental projection, or a mental blind spot of some kind that were perverted from the original real person.

It's like the producer didn't want good anime or something. The last two episodes, in particular, are more like a sacrifice of artistic integrity and inventiveness in order to cram as much as possible and give portions to each of the plot points in an equal formulaic way, as if affirming that the previous ones before were just a foreshadowing, and lacking standalone quality in themselves.

6/10. At least I enjoy it. Could have been a 7/10 had they taken their shit more seriously.
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>>150983937
He has the same voice as Taki-sensei from Euphonium too.

does this mean that gotou is taki from the future
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>>150983951
No shit? I've never thought about that.
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>>150981949
But uh, don't those PI portals kill everybody?
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>>150984060
Huh? I am literally saying I may have fallen for a trick by replying here >>150983991
not trying to mask any idiocy.
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Alas I have made the difficult decision to drop this show. Goodbye anons.
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>>150982621
Yayaka in her new getup.
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>>150984064
I wasn't trying to be mean anon, I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings
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>>150984085
>she will never brew you tea
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>>150984107
Bye! You won't be missed!
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>>150984074
He doesn't have the same voice, he is Taki-sensei
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>>150984107
Bye, please don't come back and shit up threads thanks
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>>150984137
>Taki-sensei is Salt after KKK but before FF
He even likes music and all about his father.
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>>150984066
Shit opinion.
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>>150984137
And then he got older and lost Sakurai voice. Salt did everything wrong.
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What's Sayuri's bf like?
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>>150984066
>>150984168
Where are you copypasting this stuff from? Reddit?
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Why did Salt's voice get deeper?
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>>150984175
And all about his lost waifu
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>>150983199
She doesn't want them anon. She wants to wear a pantsuit like a real comrade.
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>>150984168
Holy shit, is this the first criticism today that isn't just some shit post and has actual reasoning behind it? Anyways thanks for the post anon, I quite enjoy both characters an the episode was very interesting for me but I see what you are saying and it makes sense
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>>150984231
He gave up on puberty and decided to try and make his voice deeper through effort.
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>>150982793
>had their first child before they could actually produce enough breastmilk to feed their baby
Good god if that's the case the human body plan is stupid. Who designed this shit?
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Where is the new thread?
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>>150984222
That's for me to know, and for you to never find out.
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>>150984168
Probably some copy pasted bullshit but I agree.
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>>150984241
Holy shit I really want Soviet Ruski Papika and Cocona now. FutaAnon please
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>>150984251
>>150984276
Stop responding to yourself.
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>>150984224
>pff who actually tries to discuss things fucking redditors
are you fucking serious dude
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So Cocona has actually killed people now.
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>>150984168
Man I like yuri but you guys really give it a bad name, crying about every episode that doesn't have enough gay stuff. Give it a rest already
>>
Why was the lake's water black?
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>>150984281
Do you actually care about Salt and Mimi? Their relationship is convoluted and shallow and they hijacked the show from PapiCoco. I can't bring myself to care about their forced drama. Wasted episodes.
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>>150984251
It's from reddit/MAL/wherever just google the sentences and you'll see.
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>>150984231
He attained balls and bitterness.
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>>150984259
use the catalog faggot
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>>150984283
It is literally copypasted from the reddit thread. Not even joking.
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>>150984278
Speaking about ruskie, talking with copypasta is one of 2ch.ru's oldest traditions.
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>>150984281
Stop assuming that everyone is same fagging. You end up looking like the faggot yourself
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So was this really Salt?
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>>150984298
>kkk
>people
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>>150984328
To represent that shadow Mimi is the active Mimi personality
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>>150984358
Yeah because multiple people are going to respond just about a minute apart praising a comment that is obviously copypasted from reddit.
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>>150984377
Don't be racist anon
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Stop replying to shitposters, anons.

Discuss cute girls instead.
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>>150984405
Wow people responding minutes apart in a general for a show that aired just hours ago, IT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE!
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>>150984405
Not that anon but I called it a copypasted bullshit though. I can still agree with the points made.
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>>150984352
ok and
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>>150984066
>It's like the producer didn't want good anime or something.
Could explain the lack of marketing.
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>>150984374
who cares
what difference does it make
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>>150984336
I care about Salt and Mimi more than Papika.
Basically Cocona should have two things at the end of her story, her parents and her waifu. I'm not too thrilled with the direction the waifu line is on wont care if there's kissu honestly, so for now I want to see Cocona restore her family. Salt and Mimi are cute, CUTE
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>>150984224
That was >>150984066 my real opinion. It's up to you if you can't handle it. I actually checked reddit when you said that, but it turns out, unsurprisingly for plebs such as them, they liked the spoonfeed episodes. Maybe you all should go there instead as they are in agreement with you.
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>>150984464
Fuck off there if you want to discuss anime with them.
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>>150983488
>>150983573
It's also actually a thing that happens. You can feel two different ways at the same time. You can flash between states of being utterly and completely mad at someone, ready to kill them maybe, and also feeling really sorry you're acting that way and you still love them.

Your mind isn't a monolithic thing that always feels and acts the same way throughout.

EVERYONE has a kind of multiple personality disorder. It's built-in. Your mind seems to have a consistent state but that's only because you have a single shared store of memories.
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>>150984523
are you actually telling me to fuck off because I want discussion?
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>>150984336
Important background characters coming into the foreground and getting backstory filled in is just how this kind of storytelling works, anon. You set up two intriguing enigmatic characters and then develop questions about them, and then eventually your questions are answered, in a way relevant to the overall story (both Salt and Mimi are intimitately connected not only to Papika and Cocona, but to their relationships and motives too).

I'm sorry if you don't subjectively enjoy the Salt/Mimi stuff, but don't get all high-minded about how it's bad writing or something.
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>>150984519
Sure thing buddy.
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>>150984512
In terms of hairstyle, cape takes the win.
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>>150984512
Be ready to get wet when you see Henshin Yayaka next week
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>>150984564
I'm telling you to fuck off if you encourage the posting of copypasted comments from another website.
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>>150984597
I am going towel shopping this weekend.
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>>150984597
Is she henshining with Coconuts? because they only have one shard.
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>>150984564
Pretentious mini essays whining about how the show isn't more like you want it to be aren't discussion, they're autism.
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>>150984623
Who says they need any more than that?

Who says they need a shard at all?
>>
I really don't like how information-dense these past few episodes have been. I would have much rather that they revealed some of these things to us earlier or built things up in a more linear fashion than to keep us completely in the dark for so long as suddenly dump flashback and twists and revelations at us one after another in sequence.

For example: Yayaka being a KKK plant definitely is something they could have revealed around episode 5 or 6 rather than keeping it hidden all the way to 9. The KKK boss being completely off his nut is also something that could have been foreshadowed a little bit ahead of time, instead of leaving him and his whole organization as a complete question mark until they're curbstomped by the final boss. I know them being clover'd was supposed to feel like a major plot twist and escalation into endgame, but the fact that the KKK had been hanging ominously over everything since episode 3 and remained a complete mystery made their abrupt removal from the game feel like a total anticlimax rather than a surprise shift.

I also feel like the flashbacks should have been given their own completely standalone episode. They way that they've been abruptly cutting into and out of the flashbacks at inconvenient moments in the story has been jarring and really taken me out of the moments they interject into. Papika responding to Cocona's desperate and emotionally charged question about Mimi by going off on a huge tangent about their first meeting in the research center felt like an absurd tone shift, and abruptly cutting Salt's Mimi confrontation to tell us more about their past also stole a lot of the thunder from that moment. In both cases they were extremely tense and dramatic scenes robbed of their drama by an awkward interjection.
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I didn't watch last week's episode until this one came out.

Anons fucking memed hard, 95% of the shit that spergs have been going on about in these threads is exaggerated to the point of being untrue or is just shitposting because of how distorted the opinion is.

You wanted me to believe that Papika was not pure hearted, but I had faith and I have been justified.
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>>150984508
>I care about Salt and Mimi more than Papika.
>I care about two poorly developed characters with zero chemistry and rushed drama more than I care about the main character
Why are you even watching it?

That's a rhetorical question, I don't actually give a fuck.
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>>150983167
Think a lesbian version of Mami and Bebe. Also:
>Nyunyu
>Nyanya~
´POTTERY.
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>>150984168
>Disappointed with the lack of Cocona's character, Cocona and Papika interactions, and nonsensical and out-there symbolism of coming-of-age tropes and narratives
We'll get more of that as we get to the ending, Papika has to bring Cocona back, right?

I do agree with you though, and with others that say this episode wasn't all that great. I'm enjoying the new wave of information (we surely needed things to be cleared out as we get closer to the climax), but the way they handled it is just poor.

The focus from the start was Cocona's coming of age and Papika being the driving force and her love interest, and those were (and still are) the characters I care about the most.

I (still) really don't give much of a shit about Salt, Mimi, KKK/FF, or even Yayaka. Every episode that tried to push flashbacks and sad stories for characters we barely seen interact just felt melodramatic, or rushed. I don't know if it's just me, but Mimi crying to get Cocona back this episode, or Yayaka breaking down "images" of her and Cocona as children just did nothing to me. Those relationships didn't get much focus for me to care. Now Cocona telling Papika to let her go and leave her, or that she hates her - that shit has IMPACT.
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>>150984659
>Papika responding to Cocona's desperate and emotionally charged question about Mimi by going off on a huge tangent about their first meeting in the research center felt like an absurd tone shift, and abruptly cutting Salt's Mimi confrontation to tell us more about their past also stole a lot of the thunder from that moment.

How so? Cocona wanted answers and Papika had already given her vague answers and Cocona was fed up with it. It made sense that Papika would give her the whole story then and there.
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>>150984722
>cocona says she'll never go away
>she goes away
Wow.
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>>150984760
They'll fix it in the BDs
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>>150984760
POTTERY
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Will Papika once again fuck up everything?
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>>150984684
>'but I had faith and I have been justified.'
>literally fides quaerens intellectum, a.k.a. self-deluding interpretation.
You just can't handle the truth, anon.
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>>150984815
she's going to fuck cocona, yes
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>>150984716
>Think a lesbian version of
I hate /u/ memes.
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I think part of what makes this feel so rushed is Oshiyama’s fast cuts. It’s nothing that bothered me in previous episodes, and it probably wouldn’t even bother me in direct up front emotional scenes, but with these exposition and flashback heavy episodes it just makes the whole thing feel like a recap episode.
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>>150984722
I wouldn't say those other scenes did nothing for me, but otherwise I generally agree with you. There was far too little PapiCoco interaction this ep.
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>>150984880
He kinda has to cut fast because these episodes and especially the flashbacks have like 20 more scenes than they can reasonably fit
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>>150984909
wow it's almost like it's badly written or something
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While I liked seeing Papicake, I think they could have just completely cut out the flashbacks and the show would have the same impact.

Just hinting that PPK+Mimi+Salt were friends in the old days would have been enough-- we could have filled in the blanks. They might not have even needed to reveal that the KKK was once an actual research lab and not a cult. Just mentioning experiments, or an offhand remark about government funding or something could have established the show's background.

This would have let them keep the same tone rather than suddenly shifting it like they did, it would have let them take the action back to PI (where it excels) more quickly, and it wouldn't get all the stupid accusations it does of being an Eva ripoff.
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>>150984970
How would things be if there was no writer change?
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So does anyone else think the older lady who looks like Papika in the past is the same person we know as Papika now? And that baby is probably Cocona right?
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>>150984740
It's like starting a story with "it all started at a log cabin in the dead of winter back in 1744"

Cocona didn't ask "how did you and Mimi meet and what was your first adventure like?" she asked "Who. Is. Mimi?" Very simple question, the answer is "Your mother that you've been seeing in your dreams and who sacrificed herself to protect you. The shards we've been gathering until now are fragments of her power. Those guys we're fleeing from work for your grandfather, who was the boss of the research facility that Mimi, Salt and I were held at, we accidentally made him go crazy and now he's obsessed with his research and a threat to everyone. Also Salt is your Dad. Sorry I couldn't tell you all this, but I've had amnesia for 15 years and only just now recovered"

The flashback which interrupted that scene had no important information beyond the fact Mimi and Papika met in a research facility and went on Pure Illusion adventures. It was inappropriate both in the sense that it didn't actually address the scene that was framing it, and in the sense that the tone of the flashback was so far divorced from the tone of the framing scene that all of the tension and drama built in the latter was lost in the process of a 3 minute interruption to recall childish whimsy from yesteryear.
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Am I the only one who is enjoying the wild ride? Ever since Episode 9 I've been strapped in and I can't wait to find out what happens.

I also find the pacing to be fine, we're getting just enough detail and the action beats aren't suffering. Exposition in the form of a flashback helps it stay exciting instead of being a group of people standing around in a room talking and explaining things. Stuff like mindbroken Grandpa teaching us something new about Pure Illusion (i.e. confirming something we already suspected based on Senpai) is a perfect example of show-don't-tell, and it also deepens Salt's personality and motives and makes his relationship with Mimi (and by extension Cocona) more complicated.

Anyways I was worried about this show when it abandoned the "of-the-week" format but episodes 10 and 11 have been perfect in my opinion.
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>>150985003
Better.
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>>150985003
inconsequential plot and fun, whimsical adventures through wonderland I mean pure illusion I would imagine
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>>150985006
This one is the most offensive desu.
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This thread is awful.
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>>150985003
Still bad

This stuff has been there since the beginning. Remebmer the ending of episode 1? The plot synopsis?

The show just had the good sense to dedicate the brunt of the early episodes to actually good and fun stuff, instead of being consumed by its own garbage story.
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I hate you people so much, losing your minds because the POV changed for part of two episodes for the sake of storytelling
>WAAHH WHERES COCONA?
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>>150985005
>she asked "Who. Is. Mimi?" Very simple question

It's possible Cocona meant it that way, but Papika was also just recently remembering it and to her, hearing that question from her new Partner might have sounded accusatory, like it was a question not only about Mimi, but about Papika's relationship with Mimi. "What do you mean by Partner?"

You should know Papika, even in her "memories back" form, is more of a feelsy type of person so to me that makes sense, she has to tell Cocona about the other woman in her life, and it only makes sense to start at the beginning.

Strictly speaking though, we don't know that the flashback and what Papika told Cocona were exactly identical. It was just an opportunity for a cut-away and the exposition was substantially for our own benefit.
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>>150984512
Seems accurate.
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>>150984909
He always does that though. The episodes he boarded himself all cut very fast to other scenes, he never lets the atmospheric buildup of a scene linger. Which is weird and unusual, but for the most part a stylistic quirk that doesn’t bother me. It even fit extremely well during episode 7 where the entire theme was that Cocona’s scenes with Papika got “cut off too early”. However it’s pretty terrible in this episode.
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>>150984831
The truth is subjective in this case, depending on your beliefs I guess. But according to my ideas about things literally the only thing she did wrong was not quickly tell her Mimi was her mother and about the circumstances of her disappearance. Although it wouldn't have changed anything in all likelihood. She didn't deceive or betray anyone, she was just put in a difficult position for someone of her intellect and personality. She genuinely loves both of them, as friends, and the worst blow that could ever be dealt to her was being rejected by both of them in turn despite just wanting to help even without knowing how.
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>>150985117
i want cocona and yayaka to braid each others hair intimately!
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>>150985108
>wow how dare you not like it when things turn to shit
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>>150982621
MimiCoco
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>>150985071
huh that's actually a good way of looking at it
someone with half a brain stem over at 3hz was like "wow ok this story is really bad, let's just cram it in to the last few episodes so the first 2/3 of the show can be enjoyable"
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>>150985111
Dude what makes sense for Papika as a person within the world of the show itself is completely irrelevant. It has to make sense -as a story- for the audience watching it.

You don't judge the merits and ideas of a fictional construct from the inside, while treating characters like actual people and disregarding the reality that they are merely made up concepts by the God of their world (the author) who can decide what is shown and how in order to further emphasize what they want to show.
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>>150985187
There's nothing wrong with the story.
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>>150984993
>They might not have even needed to reveal that the KKK was once an actual research lab and not a cult.
They already showed that adequately enough during the much better handled Yayaka flashback.

Flip Flappers continues to show things it already showed before while treating them as stunning revelations, and each iteration of showing gets progressively worse.
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>>150985262
lol
just lol
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>>150985262
Plenty of things wrong on how it's presented and crammed though.
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>>150982681
Nobody that was straight is being portrayed as gay.
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>>150985262
If you're a flick-loving pleb like the reddit community.
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>>150985173
The flashback narrative was teased several episodes ago, why didn't you drop it then retard if flashbacks are so anathema to you?
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>>150985288
Nothing wrong with that at all. The plot we are seeing now would have had far less impact if it weren't told after building up the relationships of the characters. It is a great way to present it.
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>>150985326
Having flashbacks is fine. These particular flashbacks are convoluted shit though.
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>>150985111
>It was just an opportunity for a cut-away and the exposition was substantially for our own benefit.
This is a big problem.
If your answer to "why did this happen" is "because the plot needed for it to happen that way" then it's genuinely poor narrative structure.

There was no need to take the audience out of that important confrontation between primary characters in order to infodump backstory to us, and doing so both made the backstory less interesting and the scene which encompassed it less powerful.

And you're reaching so incredibly hard to justify Papika giving an infodump response to a simple question. It would be absolutely absurd if she just misunderstood it. The important details about Mimi aren't the fact that "she's another woman in Papika's life" it's that she's literally Cocona's mother. They even gave us a scene of them talking to one another and Cocona saying in plain terms "I wish I could find my parents" back in episode 4. No matter how retarded you make a character out to be, answering "2+2" with "potato" is just not good writing, and it's especially a really fucking bad excuse to cut out of a dramatic confrontation to show a lighthearted flashback.
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>>150985326
It was vague before, so the viewers could just imagine it ourselves, and it didn't destroy the tone and the aesthetics with shitty cliches and terrible execution.
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>>150984659
Yayaka being a KKK plant was foreshadowed enough. The KKK boss being nuts was foreshadowed too. The problem is the context of the twist, that they feel the need to throw additional information about Yayaka or the KKK respectively at the viewer RIGHT BEFORE the twist. That’s idiotic, either get that information out of the way earlier or leave that information out entirely. It’s not necessary, it just makes the twist feel cheaper.
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>>150985388
It's much better to tell the story that way through a flashback than to have the two characters stand there and explain it while doing nothing in my opinion.
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>>150985372
>convoluted
? Everything is explained well there's nothing confusing about how they're done
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>>150985326
because back then I still had faith they'd execute the flashback effectively instead of awkwardly slicing up episodes just to jam exposition in.

They should have made the flashback either a standalone episode or condensed it to only the essential information rather than trying to tell an entire parallel story in 3 awkwardly cut-up parts.
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>>150985451
This exactly. I don't understand why people aren't getting this.
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>>150985335
they built up some of these relationships over the course of like 2 episodes and then tried to cash out on them and advance the plot dude
2 episodes could be enough if the writers were actually good but they clearly fucking aren't so it results in the whole "not giving a shit" effect that you see many people are having
there are also like 5 completely fucking worthless characters that have literally done absolutely nothing the entire series so that doesn't help
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>>150985388
>"because the plot needed for it to happen that way" then it's genuinely poor narrative structure
This one never gets old. All events in a story happen in such a way to serve the plot
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>>150985335
>The plot we are seeing now would have had far less impact if it weren't told after building up the relationships of the characters.
The plot they're currently pushing has very little to do with the characters that we care about, that's the problem. Cocona is simply irrelevant and Papika gets pushed to the side. Mimi and Salt hijacked the narrative and good lord are they the most poorly written characters in the show.

Salt's motivations are shit and his behavior is schizophrenic. Mimi is not even the real Mimi when she's causing chaos. I'm unable to give a single shit about these characters and they just wasted two episodes on them.
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>>150985511
He didn't talk about a diegetic event, he talked about a design choice
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>>150985497
There aren't any worthless characters.

>>150985513
It has everything to do with the characters we care about. The whole plot is about Cocona and Papika. The others are just cogs in that plot. The whole reason the backstory was necessary was to explain the position Papika and Cocona were in. It isn't even there for its own sake, it is all in service of that.
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>>150985451
>*than to have the two characters stand there while doing nothing
Fixed. That would be interesting actually. Kinda like Kaworu's death where the scene freezes.
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>>150982621
yayaka teasing others is the hottest shit, so anything with that
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>>150985335
>It is a great way to present it.
Literally how? they made no effort for us to give a damn about Salt or Mimi. Yes they were mysterious, and episode 7 made us want to understand what the fuck was happening in that last scene, but the reveals didn't make us care much more about them as characters. Who the fuck are these people, even?
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>>150985513
It would probably be worse if Mimi was clovering everything and we had only been given 10 minutes to get acquainted with her.
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>>150985451
Both are bad, actually. You can argue about which one is worse, and I even think you’re right in that regard, but that doesn’t change that both are pretty terrible.
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>>150985591
bullshit, everyone would be complaining so much about hamfisted blatant exposition if it was done that way. This way they are showing you the events of the past rather than telling you, much better approach to storytelling and far more interesting to watch.
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>>150985445
We didn't get any indication that the KKK boss was anything until episode 10. He's had almost no lines of dialogue prior, and most of them were just very basic stuff like "Papikana is one half of the Direct Drive"

There wasn't really any foreshadowing for Yayaka having been a plant. Any suspicious associations with her were essentially explained away in episode 3 when it was revealed that she was working for the KKK. It would have been kind of silly from that fact alone to assume that she's been a KKK agent since she was a toddler or that Cocona is so important that they'd dedicate someone to spying on her. Those weren't reasonable assumptions to make until episode 9 flouted them in our face.

It was something that could have been revealed much earlier in the story without compromising the narrative structure, and would have at very least eased the burden of information that the last 3 episodes have borne
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>>150985388
>If your answer to "why did this happen" is "because the plot needed for it to happen that way" then it's genuinely poor narrative structure.

Well, no, it's a stylistic choice. The writer knew at some point the audience would have to learn more about the history of these characters, and so would one of the characters who was kept in the dark. So you get a flashback in the form of an implied story.

Did you also notice there parts of the flashback where Papika was absent? The conversations between the scientists, for instance. You think Papika was telling Cocona about things she didn't personally see?

The actual conversation between them is something we don't get. What we do get is a flashback that coincides with Papika explaining more or less the same thing to Cocona. It's a structural thing and I think it actually works really well given the needs of the story.

And no, doing something because the story needs it is not bad writing. It's good writing.
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Being generally anti-flashback myself I can see where these posts are coming from, but it didn't affect my enjoyment of the episode. During 10 maybe, but not 11, which I honestly enjoyed.

I'd be lying though if I said I didn't think there was a better version of the show with Yuniko still at the helm, all memes aside. Also I didn't mind Salt at all because his character had a mystique built up along with him since the beginning, and I'm glad Mimi turned out to be the villain rather than the leader of KKK. If some part of two episodes were taken away from focus on Cocona and Papika, it's not remotely even a big deal to me because an enormous part of their backstories has been given to us, and we still have two more episodes to focus on them.

Could it have been dealt with more elegantly? Of course, and that relates to my comment regarding Yuniko's ability versus the new writer's. But it's not AS bad as people are making it out to be.
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ITT

>flashbacks sucks also they're too short
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>>150985661
>There wasn't really any foreshadowing for Yayaka having been a plant.
Now you're just shitposting.
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>>150985631
Don’t think so. She’d stay more mysterious that way, Salt could at some point yell at her that he still loves her, a “please come to your senses” scene and the same would have been said with a lot less wasted screentime.
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>>150985635
So what, the characters should just have no past? It's dumb, if you stick to your methodology you can only tell a linear story from start to finish. I can't really think of a much better way to handle portraying past events than flashbacks. You can argue the way they were executed is bad in this instance but if you are denying the ability of any story to recall past events because that is all bad storytelling that is just unreasonable.
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The show would be better if it were 26 episodes instead of 13.
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>>150985681
More like
>THESE flashbacks suck and the characters that are featured in them are shit/poorly written/barely relevant/out of the blue etc.
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>>150985635
There is literally nothing wrong with flashbacks and still standing exposition dumps are always bad writing and budget/time savers.
I bet you liked Re:Zero.
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>>150985681
Last week the flashbacks sucked because they were too long.
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>>150985584
This. It's all standard storytelling, the Mimi/Salt plotline has been hinted at for quite a while and now it's converging with the main story to provide depth and conflict.
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>>150985749
Papika's ex-partner, both of Cocona's parents, their motives, and the nature of the mystery Cocona and Papika are swept up in (the Pure Illusion) are barely relevant?
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>>150985723
MCs mom has been at the center of the show all season. She deserves much more than being a mysterious bad guy.
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guess a bunch of hipsters are now mad that normies enjoy the same show as them, huh
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>>150985836
If only she wasn't so shit. The less Mimi the better.
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>>150985847
What are you talking about? I'd love normies to try and watch this show and get triggered at all the crotch-service.
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>>150985749
>Salt
Literally been in it from the beginning and people wanted to know his mysteries a few weeks back
>Papika
Literally been in it from the beginning ging and everybody wanted to know how she worked.
>Mimi
They've been collecting pieces of her the entire show and from Episode 7 everybody was speculating about her and wanted to find out more.

I don't know what you are talking about to be honest. It seems more like you just didn't want to know what we have been told and are unhappy about that rather than we didn't care at all, so are looking for some kind of more sophisticated criticisms to dress that up with which you may not even realise you are doing yourself.
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>>150985847
>hipsters
>normies
>>>/r9k/
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>>150981875
>I'm surprised KKK let Salt bang Mimi

For SCIENCE of course.
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>>150985735
>if you are denying the ability of any story to recall past events
Good thing I’m not. Where did you even get that from? I’m not saying all flashbacks are bad. This one was because it made no sense as far as pacing is concerned and none narratively either as that other anon explained because the flashback was also used as a stand in for Papika explaining things to Cocona. Again, something that can be fine on its own, but it’s not when a character is demanding quick answers and the other character answers with a long winded story with very little overlap with what is actually asked.
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>>150985701
Point it out then? The mere fact that Yayaka didn't seem to react too strongly about Cocona getting into all that stuff, and neither did the KKK guy (in ep3), goes against the whole 'spy on the target' plotline. The reasonable assumption is that Yayaka had just been leading a double life with Cocona being mostly unrelated from her perspective, not that everything in the entire series was a Truman Show situation
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>>150985647
The problem isn't that they used flashbacks, anon.
I can't tell if you're actually not getting this or just pretending to be retarded to bait me.

The problem is that they used flashbacks poorly. The content of the flashback didn't fit the scene it transitioned out of and then back into and also didn't address the question which segued it. It was out of place in the scene which is was placed, and its misuse weakened both the flashback itself and that scene. If you're expected to believe that Papika faced the question of "Who is Mimi" by telling the story of how they first met, that's ridiculous. It's completely unbelievable and that level of narratively convenient retardation is just genuine bad writing. If you;re expected to believe that Papika's answer just didn't matter and here's this nice flashback instead, that's also stupid. The confrontation between the two main characters was a far more relevant to the audience and emotionally important part of the episode than a flashback that introduces a new character and provides the background for one who has barely had 5 lines of dialogue in the entire series up to that point. It was one of the worst possible moments to choose to cut a scene off abruptly and show something else, especially since not only did that :Something else" not fit with the mood or tone of the scene it was cutting off, but it then awkwardly cut BACK to it afterwards as though to say "okay now we can just pick up where we left off, enjoy Cocona's breakdown." It doesn't work that way. Rather than building up to Cocona's dramatic "I hate you all" we just jumped to it after a happy-go-lucky non-sequitur. Might as well have had Bu-chan in the background making a funny face, too.

It's tantamount to cutting the scene of Mimi taking over Cocona to insert a flashback, and then cutting back to red-eyed Cocona. It would have ruined the scene to about the same degree.
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>>150985953
You said both are terrible methods but you can argue about which is worse method. In my opinion standing around talking about the past in anime is always bad exposition. Flashbacks however are the best possible way to address this I can think of.
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Thread's gonna die soon
Hop over here when it does >>150982324
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>>150985974
Yayaka was also never in a hurry to stay with Cocona or follow her around school so if she was supposed to be spying on her she was doing a pretty damn lousy job.
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>>150986010
It didn't feel anything like that to me. It felt appropriately placed and I said as much last week.
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>>150985666
>What we do get is a flashback that coincides with Papika explaining more or less the same thing to Cocona
Except it does not, the flashback answers the question only tangentially and never gets to the meat of what Cocona was actually asking about. It honestly felt more like an intermission to explain why Papika is hesitant to explain.
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>>150986010
>muh flashbacks
You're just making stuff up now.
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>>150985847
Nah people just wanted the show to be a /u/ moe adventure show and now they're disappointed that it's not. The thing is the show introduced a bunch of mysteries in ep1 (or was it 2?), and it should have been obvious that at some point the mysterious stuff was going to be explained. Especially since nearly everything in this show thus far has been there for a reason, there's been very little fluff but somehow people convinced themselves that central elements would be fluff in the end and the show would just focus on /u/ adventures. If you willfully ignore foreshadowing it's not the shows fault for fucks sakes
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>>150986010
>Rather than building up to Cocona's dramatic "I hate you all" we just jumped to it after a happy-go-lucky non-sequitur.
The flashback made sense to me in this context because given Cocona's reaction. It felt hurtful and as out of place for her to hear about Papika's adventures for Mimi because the latter was barely a presence in the story thus far.
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>>150986071
>I felt
>it felt to me
>I said
You keep saying it didn't bother you without raising any point; might as well say "well it bothered ME" and end the discussion
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>>150981599
this would be kaiba all over again
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>>150986083
I understand your argument and I just think you're wrong.
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>>150986083
>>150986010
The flashback was supposed to represent Papika's thoughts whilst explaining the subject in my opinion. Her expanded reminiscence rather than what she said to Cocona. When you tell a story you don't tell the person every detail you remember or have in your head at the time, you just pick out the significant parts but that doesn't mean the other parts that you omit aren't remembered simultaneously.
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>>150986023
>In my opinion standing around talking about the past in anime is always bad exposition.
Your opinion is bad then because that can be done rather interestingly too. A flashback is much easier to pull off well, but if you have characters that are really interesting while they talk, this approach can work too. I really liked how Rakugo Shinjuu handled its Rakugo performances, for example,
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>>150986164
That is essentially what it comes down to anon. You can't objectively prove yourself correct no matter how much you write.
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>>150986164
Not that anon but this is what it all essentially boils down to. It's not logic. The sequence of events portrayed can make emotional sense for one person but not for another, and that alone determines what makes it good or bad for them.
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>>150986023
Why is this so difficult to grasp?
Nobody's asking that Papika narrative 5 minutes of exposition to Cocona while they stand around.

The point is that her response in-universe didn't make sense. She SHOULD have responded with a candid explanation that made sense in the context of their situation and her character, but she didn't because the director needed an excuse to insert a flashback there. Papika added uncharacteristically to contrive an oppourtunity for exposition.

That's not good. At no point should a character stop being a character so they can be a mouthpiece. That takes you right out of the story. Ironically, that scene both took us out of the story by having Papika respond with a non-sequitur flashback, and by cutting awkwardly to a non-sequitur flashback.
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>there are people that unironically want the characters to stand around and explain shit just to avoid muh flashbacks
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>>150986213
>>150986216
If you're willing to accept that your preference is inferior (by virtue of not having any justification for it) then sure
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>>150986200
That isn't even nearly the same. It's not even exposition to begin with. It is literally storytelling.
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>>150985622
not him, but it resonated with me, seeing salt and mimi last ep and this ep i really got emotionally shook. But thats just me.
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>>150985880
>Literally been in it from the beginning and people wanted to know his mysteries a few weeks back
Yeah, and all those episodes he did fuck all instead of slowly cropping up his peronality and motivations you get a flashback where he goes full retard and you get forced relationship with previously undeveloped character.

>Literally been in it from the beginning ging and everybody wanted to know how she worked.
And you still don't know how she "works". Papika is pushed to the side in the flashback and even after regaining her memories she acts the same.

>They've been collecting pieces of her the entire show and from Episode 7 everybody was speculating about her and wanted to find out more.
Mimi is the worst offender. She replaces the MC for the episode only to one-shot the main villains and make people care even less with her split PI alter-ego. She's not even a villain nor is she a sympathetic hero. She's just a convoluted mess of a "character".
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>>150986248
Yes, people standing around and talking about the past generally is considered storytelling, anon. Amazing observation.
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>>150986245
Typical "I must win internet argument and feel validated" logic. Pitiful.
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>>150986220
That isn't how I perceive that scene unfolding at all. You might see it that way but I see it as a perfectly logical placement and to have an exploration of Papika's thoughts about past times with Mimi when she is explaining to Papika her relationship with her. That is exactly when Papika would be thinking about that.
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>>150986303
Honestly I'd still take that over running away from discussion by saying "it's all opinions mannn"

No shit it's all opinions, you're literally saying nothing
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>>150986303
He is right though. Shit must be called out.
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>>150986284
Yeah nobody cares about them characters but 50% of the posts prior to the backstory being told were people speculating over their backstory.
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>>150986284
>She's not even a villain nor is she a sympathetic hero. She's just a convoluted mess of a "character".
Agreed, but we're not done with her bullshit yet so who knows
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>>150986178
Yes, that’s what that scene was going for, definitely. That’s still a very clumsy approach given the context that Cocona didn’t accept Papika’s explanation. There’s a more important narrative conflict going on, yet we are shown the less relevant flashback.

So there are two options for the flashback, either Papika is retarded and chose the wrong words for Cocona (but we don’t get to see that), or she didn’t really say much of anything and that flashback was supposed to explain why she’s so hesitant, in which case it’s just a normal very misplaced flashback because it plainly interrupts what’s going on instead of being integrated into it.
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whine whine whine
have some fresh concept art
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>>150986371
You can't win an argument about opinions. It just goes round and round on websites like these until one person gets tired or bored and the other declares themselves the winner. I'm not going to sit here typing for hours to justify my opinion to someone that is only interested in telling me why my opinion is wrong and his is better.
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>>150986406
Only to have them flashed in front of you with frantic cuts and retarded dialogue. Nobody wanted that. Not like this.
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God these armchair plot critics really tick me off
>show with plot layed out normally with gradual developments
HUHU SO PREDICTABO SHIT SHOW!!


>show develops gradually leaving you with just as much knowledge of the main character whom with the audience later knows more about the grand scheme of things and the reality of the situation

WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY CRAMMING ALL THIS IN THE LAST REMAINING EPISODES WHEN THEY COULDVE DONE IT IN THE START WITH ALL THAT FILLER SHIT

Insufferable some of you.
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>>150986467
I think Cocona just wasn't willing to listen after all the shit she had been through.

>>150986481
Really? People were literally arguing last weeks flashbacks should have been like that after they happened.
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>>150986468
Cococute.
No one deserves to touch this perfection. Mimi did nothing wrong.
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>>150986473
You seem to think winning an argument is about a race to the truth. You win an argument if you have better arguments. In this case the opposition literally presented no arguments, so they lost by default.

Not that this was ever about winning or losing, you made that strawman up in order to keep running away from talking about the show
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>>150986528
You can't lose something you never engaged with. Stating an opinion can be just that you know.
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>>150986493
I was perefectly fine with them leaving hints throughout episodes though. What we're getting not isn't awful, but it isn't amazing either. There are plenty of ways they could've worked around it
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>>150986505
Last week's flashbacks had characters introducing themselves and awkwardly stubbing around doing fuck all.

Today's episode's flashbacks contained much much longer period of time and dramatic events. Mismanaged as fuck.
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>>150986505
>I think Cocona just wasn't willing to listen after all the shit she had been through.
I agree. It would have been nice to actually show that on screen though. If you really want that flashback, have that scene play out first in its entirety without interruption and then have a depressed Papika go to some pond, have some nice mirror imagery, sigh while throwing stones into the water and then start the flashback. Cliche, but it works.
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>>150986577
You responded to what this guy said: >>150986010 with this: >>150986071 while adding lowkey smug such as "I said as much last week" as if you'd already refuted something by simply claiming you disagree. That is a poor post regardless of how much you think stating your opinion matters to anyone.
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>>150986594
it's almost like you have to introduce characters before doing something with them
and it's almost like once you've set everything up, you can do the rest very quickly

it's pretty funny that all these "omg when it was just wacky PIs it was so much better" now whine that all the drama is happening very efficiently and it still lingers on the characters when it has to
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>>150986654
It was just a response to another person stating their opinion. I don't know why you think elaborating on it makes it more valuable. You can write all you want about a shitty opinion and it will still be a shitty opinion.
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>>150986644
Not part of the argument here, but I think the point they were making with showing the flashback especially at that scene is that we as viewers will feel like Cocona, and "interupt" the scene exactly when enough information ("Mimi took me to PI") was given to piss her off
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>>150986675
>it's pretty funny that all these "omg when it was just wacky PIs it was so much better" now whine that all the drama is happening very efficiently and it still lingers on the characters when it has to
Oh fuck yourself with that. As I said they could've developed Salt long before the last two episodes. And I don't mind plot and drama, I just do not give a shit about these mishandled cardboard characters like Mimi, Salt and even flashback Papika.
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>>150986675
Probably the same people arguing that it needed more plot 5 weeks ago and was going nowhere. Some people will look for anything to complain about.
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>>150986715
>I don't know why you think elaborating on it makes it more valuable
It is ONLY valuable if you elaborate. This isn't MAL with your friend's group, not a single person cares about the opinions of another. We only care about reasoning and interesting points. So if the content of your post starts and ends with a statement of opinion without anything to support it, it's a worthless post. Stick to making observations of stitching screencaps to contribute good content, but opinions have to be substantiated or they might as well be breaking rule #6
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>>150986877
No amount of reasoning makes a shit opinion any better, sorry. Just stringing more words together doesn't make better discussion. You can say as much as you like but if its all a load of wank it isn't worth putting the effort into posting an argument to. Especially when that person is trying to "prove" their opinion is more better rather than have a discussion.
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>>150986877
Honestly, it's like you just got baited. The show has always been suspicious in quality, aside from the background animation, since the bland execution of the power up in episode 1. Because it was visually pleasing and yuri, people sidelined such problems.
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>>150986761
Yeah, that’s the “Papika is retarded” interpretation I was talking about. The flashback wants to be integrated into the plot, it’s a stand-in for what Papika is actually saying and what she’s saying doesn’t convince Cocona. The problem with that is that it makes Papika look unnecessarily retarded (or rather the whole thing contrived) because we don’t get to see her actually flubbing her explanation, and instead the flashback suggests she started off her story with “It all started in 1995 when…“ or something along those lines.

If “Papika butchers her explanation” is an important turning point of the plot, you should show it in a believable way.
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