Occultic Nine

i wish i was dead too

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Wait, what happened in the final scene?

>>149958248
So
Did the fuck?

>>149958530
>necrophilia
>>>>/out/

>>149958798
Maybe FBI-chan also died, that's why she was able to see Gamotan at the end.

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Why is she so cute

>>149958520
He saw his dead body

>>149959168
But did FBI-chan see him? And why could she not see anything when she touched his body?

>>149958520
She sees dead people

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Those tits will never rub on you.

>>149959552
Gained more spiritual power probably

>>149960403
wake me up outside

To those who read LN
How well is the story telling of the anime if you compare it to the novel?

>>149961091
No one's read the LN here except maybe Steiner then again the anime already was past the LN since episode 5 so it's uncharted territory for everyone.

>>149961091
apparently the storytelling is different but it's a very good adaptation
>>149961339
there's an official translation now and steiner is supervising it

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Poor girl, she didn't deserve to suffer like this

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>>149959552
>But did FBI-chan see him?
Yeah, she reacted to his voice and was looking up at him in surprise.
>And why could she not see anything when she touched his body?
You are aware you're watching a mystery show, right? You're not meant to understand everything shown straight away, especially when it's an end of ep cliff-hanger.

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>>149960403

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>there could be ghosts on /a/ this very moment

What if ria's brother worked in the plant with the scandium and the only reason she was able to think he was still alive, was because his soul was still around?

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>>149962561
>there could be qt ghost girls on /a/ this very moment

>>149962561
That's just absurd. Ghosts aren't real, everyone knows that.

>El Psy Kongroo
Is this intentional? or is it just because he's weebs?

>>149963596
He's a weeb who reads Steins;Gate since it's a fiction in their world.

Why are they talking so fast?

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The purest form of love.

Do ghosts get hungry?

>>149963854
They still have sexual urge confirmed how Aria wants to keep sucking demon's cock so maybe.

>>149964130
What happens if they don't eat? Will they feel the bad side effects of staying hungry?
Can bullied girl stay forever in her bed with no repercussions?

>>149963778
it's a rap battle show

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>>149963791
>that highlighting on her lip when she starts talking about her brother
She is a high level brocon.

>>149963596
No it wasn't intentional. They mixed up the scripts for the Steins;Gate 0 anime and Occultic;Nine. What a fucking embarrassment.

>>149963791
How is she going to react when she finds out she's part of an experiment to preserve the soul gone wrong and her brother has already passed on?

>>149964722
Kill herself for real

>>149963778
From a few episodes ago, I started slowing it down in my video player to 0.9x. This makes it much more watchable in my opinion.

>>149959552
She might have died prior to attempting that, making her power not work?

If I had to guess the chest thing killed her because right after that she heard the radio then saw Gamon.

>>149964722
What if her brother was like the "devil"'s case? The difference thing is that the "devil"'s body was safe from that accident but her brother's wasn't?

>>149965374
Do you even watch the show? Her brother died due medical malpractice and Devil gain super power due to your typical explosion from suspicions chemical factory like one of those Marvel comic book.

>>149965305
She's probably still alive since she can interact with the agents. People with occultic powers probably can interact with the dead.

>>149965305
The other police dude isn't dead, and he could see her even after her heart started aching. She's alive. What might have caused her to see Gamotan was touching his body, or something related to the radio.

>>149962561
being dead inside counts as a ghost living in a hollow shell?

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>>149962561
>there could be qt ghost girls on /a/ this very moment
2spoop

>>149965501
So he's sent to another dimension because malpractice?

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>>149962561
we /a/nother now

>>149962561
Ghost loli reporting in.

>>149965908
No, Risa. Your brother is dead. Like real dead. Not roped by Japanese-Jewish cult of Illerminarty.

Wonder if cancer guy was one of the 256 victims.

>>149966416
Yes. When Myuu-pon try to read his future, She saw a bunches of super computer and she assume that Cancer guy become a super cool CS engineer or some shit. But what really is that that cancer guy soul is stored into the database of said super computer.

>>149962140
>her father is the one behind all of this

>>149966547
I thought her father is dead?

Next episode
https://youtu.be/Ln92Y3exaRs

>>149962561
I'm a skeleton.

>>149967307
Did it take a Beatles song for everyone to realize the episode titles are songs or am I the only slow one here who found out this week

>>149967421
I noticed that "She's Lost Control" is a Joy Division song but I just thought it was a coincidence or one-off thing, and it took the Beatles song for me to realize it was every week.

>>149965740
Is the shell is hollow how there's a ghost?

>>149965501
What if she didn't actually hallucinate living with him for a year after his death and he's still out there?

>>149967895
Risa actually hinted to have high spiritual power. Maybe she did living with the ghost of his brother for years. But that doesn't mean that his brother involved with all this evil cult bulshit.

>>149966594
He died of cancer in the book, anime didn't touch on this yet.

>>149968005
Are you implying that he got cancer from certain super computer or some weird Tesla shit?

>>149968278
No, she just died.

Why does the ED skip number 8?

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>>149968561
Number 8 is the traitor.

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>Making it this obvious who Zonko is
>Even have Titties McNipSlip leave the room just before Zonko starts talking in the very same fucking episode

>>149967421
Knew it when the preview for episode 5 was "she's lost control." Looked back at the previous episodes and saw that they were all songs

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FBI-chan is a QT.

>>149968817
It was obvious from the beginning. I'm going to be seriously rattled if i'm wrong because I called it weeks ago.

>>149968561
It doesn't

Kill this meme

FBI-Chan a cute.

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>>149969186
She's cute after some improvements.

>>149969316
>improvements
No. Delete this.

>>149969316
Fix that barrel waist of hers.

>>149969316
DELET THIS

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Ok guys, so what exactly happened here?
If we roll with the assumption that a soul is a magnetic field, which is what the show mentioned multiple times, then how could someone have bumped into him?
Let's assume the law of conservation works as intended, then after death you have separation of the physical matter that makes up the body and the magnetic field that makes up the soul. In that case, they most definitely couldn't have physically bumped into Gamotan because that would've required producing matter out of nowhere.
So my current guess is: he bumped into Gamotan's magnetic field aka his soul.

>>149968817
>>149968922
Fuck, I didn't notice it until I read your post.

>>149969316
4/10 for effort.

>>149970965
What did she mean by this?

>>149968817
>>149968922
According to some people Zonko has the same VA as Tits? I'm not hearing it though, probably because of the filter. Was she listed in the credits?

>>149962561
I'm a cute anime ghost girl

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>>149968561
>mfw episode 8 is skipped

>El gay kangaroo drops
>Everyone in comments lose their shit calling the show amazing
>Check last EP
>People mad as fuck because they have to read and calling it shit

wew

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Wew

>>149971309
>reverse endless eight

>mfw kangaroo saves the sales

Where does R;N fit in this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tEiHcksxC0
What did he mean by this?

>I'm honestly over and sick of seeing big boobs in anime now it's ANNOYING! It's not going to make a plot any better! I'll stick with Yuri On Ice.

>>149971556
Is it time?

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>>149971653
It's always time.

>>149971556

It doesn't.

Just like Steins;Gate and Chaos;Head, in Occultic;Nine's universe it's a story that technically exists, but only as fiction/a video game.

>>149971840
I don't get why O;9 is seperate from the Sci;ADV titles. The whole soul as electromagnetic phenomenon, that can be preserved with the right tech fits right in with R;N.

>>149972164
I'd love to know too exactly what makes it so "incompatible" with the other games

>>149972164
No committee of 300.

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>>149972164
I think there's too much stuff going on in Sci;ADV.

>>149972234
There's a lot going on in the real world too. I'm still not seeing anything that actually prevents the two co-existing.

>>149972213
Why not have both 300 and O;9's group?

>>149971228
If you've heard the VA's work in other anime you'd be able to easily catch that.

>>149968817
Is this from the OP?

>>149972164

iirc, there's some random conflict that would happen in one of the other stories set in this universe that wouldn't have actually been able to work if it was in the sciadv universe, for whatever reason.

And I think one of the more "official unofficial" style responses was that they just wanted to get away from the council of 300. If I were to guess, probably because they just wrote themselves into a hole because the council of 300 in sciadv got to be way too absurdly massive with access to too much control.

Of course this is all entertaining since the current "baddies in the shadows" of o;n have a lot of the same terror tech that popped up over in sciadv universe. But I guess now they have room to be able to write in a counter-organization and limit the scale/scope of the new bad guys.
ie: making the new bad guys having to focus on taking "control" of a small part of a city, with plans to then take over the city, then a larger area, then a country, etc. They may even potentially be small enough that they could end up dismantled from a failed attempt.
Whereas Council of 300 kind of got to the point of going city scale>national scale>world scale, with the potential option to just skip national scale, and they have so much shit going on that a single failed attempt means pretty much nothing to them.

>>149972307
Chiyo's brain already overloaded

That fucking cliffhanger

>>149971317
>El gay kangaroo
For once I'm amused by the results of autocorrect.

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TITS

>>149969015
Are you deaf?

>>149973124
>Literally like 30 seconds screen time.
>People whine and HATE FANSERVICE, THIS PIECE OF SHIT FANSERVICE SHOW

WOw...

>>149973168
The people complaining because they're too stupid to read are even more infuriating.

>>149973168
To be fair she did appear and displayed her melons a lot in the first episode.

>>149973167

I think you are the deaf one

>>149969316
Not big enough. Every girl needs to be as big as Ryotas as a bare minimum.

>>149968817
Going off this, they mentioned a small radio station being run by two people, maybe the cafe manager is in on it? They both seem suspicious and Ryotas followed him into the backroom a few times

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>>149969316

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>>149968817
There is a slight possibility that this is red herring to mislead viewers to believe Zonko=Ryotas.

>>149973963
That's what I thought as well, until next episode's title was revealed.

Rurumo a cute

>>149973958
Why does she look so awkward there?

>>149974012
>That's what I thought as well, until next episode's title was revealed.
Enlighten me.

>>149971309
>it'll be delayed

>>149973168
If someone is actually superficial enough to judge a show's quality based on the size of a character's tits, then their opinion is bound to be shallow and vapid as well, and you should just pay no attention to it.

Curse loli is happy again

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>>149975447
It's not going to be pretty when she finds out that not even dying will let her see onii-chan again.

>ywn comfort myu-pom

>>149958520
>you've seen your dick

>>149969492
So, uh, no one?

>>149976862
>>149977195
>>149977223
Why do I feel like she was nerfed

>>149977325
Yeah, it could be that. It could also be that Gamotan still has a physical body somehow. We don't actually know anything about his current state or why he has physiaclity, that bump could've been foreshadowing for a later twist, or not.

The OP and ED are godtier tbqh

>>149977223
>no one has addressed the manager being able to speak to them, or being able to run a restaraunt while being dead

So is it just me or has ryos tits gotten even bigger

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>>149978541
One says they've gotten smaller, the other say they've gotten bigger. Truly occultic

>>149977765
This tbayylmaoqh.

That police officer said ALMOST all of them died by drowning.

Gamotan is the exception.

>>149969316
Stop

How come Garlish Number thread is more popular than this show

>>149978509
He's not dead.

>>149979076
That thread has been up for two days and this is the second thread we've had for this week's episode.

What's an Ishishu?

>>149978509
As you should have realized by now, he's not dead.

>>149978841
Yeah, he died from autoerotic asphyxiation instead.

>>149980003
Jokes apart, the fact there are no memories of him walking to the pond suggest that guy with the mask that is now following him again had something to do with his "death".

>>149980151
What if that body is not real? And guy with mask is Gamotan?

>>149980232
Are you kidding? That guy was following him before the incident happened. Besides, if you look closely you'll notice he looks nothing like Gamotan.

Then Kiryu showed up before Gamotan in the form of a devil and did something to him. That was the curse, btw.

>>149980421
First time masked guy followed Gamotan his sticking out hair from the mask was exactly like Gamotan's. After this episode I don't know.

>>149980504
Someone said it might be Izumin when he's not in his tranny appearance. If you look at his pupils, he kinda looks like him.

>>149980622
Yeah, that could be true and I think it won't be a new character behind the mask.

>>149980778
And do they show masked man's shadow or not? can't rewatch episode right now.

>>149980824
it doesnt show if he has or not

If is true Devil forced Gamotan's soul out of his body, then there's almost no doubt it was the masked guy who threw his body in the pond.

I suppose after that Gamotan (now an Astral Projection) was taken to his home by Ryo-tas, who is Zonko in disguise.

>dead people don't have shadows
you'd think it'd be obvious

>>149981278
But how can living person cast shadow on the dead?

>>149981278
Some people were dumb enough to think the shadow inconsistency was QUALITY in a show where the animation is as refined and meticulous as this.

>>149981278
>>149981898
I didn't even notice this was a thing until the most recent threads.
Does anyone have an example screenshot?

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>>149982564

>>149982931
Spooky.

>>149982564
When they said in this episode that the girl Gamotan gave the card to could be a ghost, I went back to check if she had a shadow. Lo and behold she didn't!

>>149968817
It makes sense that a spiritual medium can see and talk to dead people.

Why are these threads so dead? Is this adaption that hard to enjoy?

>>149988176
This is definitely AOTS for me.

>>149988176
2deep and 2hard4discussion because there are so few leads.

>>149988176
Posted it in the last thread, but: again, the show has:

>eccentric, unrelatable characters
>a non-linear story which requires the viewer's full attention to understand
>an actually good mystery which doesn't blow its load early on and keeps the viewer in the dark
>visual direction that actually tries to be more than static shots of characters flapping their mouths
>tits

All these things are very prone to putting casual viewers off. And the majority of viewers are casual.

>>149988405
>And the majority of viewers are casual.
Some are also terrible at following the plot.
Like the person saying that the MC is alive but astral projecting but we saw his body at the end of this episode very dead.
I'm hoping this show doesn't reset any of the dead characters back to life.
And Ryo-tas and the Manager are definitely involved with the big bad

>>149988176
Might be the fact that you need to use adderall to watch and understand it. Well, I do.

>>149962561
>By an uncontrollable series of events leave Mr.Bones wild ride
>Become ghost
>Continue to shitpost on 4chan

This is trully hell
We're here forever.

>>149988237
AOTS? More like AOTY. I'm kinda confused between feeling happy and sad that not a lot of people found this show enjoyable. On one hand threads are not too crowded and thus lower the amount of retards, on the other hand it's kinda sad, seeing my favorite show receiving little love.
>>149988388
>>149988405
Personally, I want to charge it up to people being too slow to follow the show too but when even this guy is calling the writing trashy then I start to doubt if this show is truly without flaws like I would like to believe.
https://blog.sakugabooru.com/2016/11/15/anime-craft-weekly-19-occult-talent/
I surely hope he's not calling it trash just because it has big boobs and "objectification". I mean, surely a guy who knows his shit couldn't possibly be that stupid, right?
>inb4 having your own opinion
I greatly enjoy it regardless of what others say but I want to know if it's truly good on an objective scale and if someone say it's not then I want to argue against it.
captcha: ENTRY MEXICO

>>149988793
>Handing plot to sakugafags
Just don't, they are good at analyzing visuals but that's as far as it goes.
You just need to check the comments to see how he's just butthurt because of the boobs. Saying it gets too much of the screentime when it's almost imperceptible.
Really, I picked this show thinking these things would be shoved in my face all the time but they are actually quite discreet.
Many Ryo-tas shots show only her face when her boobs could easily be shown too. They are actually hiding them, not the other way.

>>149988793
>I want to know if it's truly good on an objective scale
What do you mean by this? How do you measure art on an objectibe scale?

>>149989059
>tfw you're also a sakugafag and can only analyze visual because of little knowledge regarding basic story composition
I seriously need to start reading some books on writing good stories, or maybe youtube channel good at discussing these. Kinda frustrating to only able to praise a show on the merit of its sound and visual but have to refrain from commenting on the story for having no praise of substances for it. Empty praises are just as bad as empty criticisms to me.
And those boobs swinging around is fun as hell.
>>149989308
A relatively objective scale of some sort, I don't really know how to phrase it correctly.

>>149969492
Gamotan isn't dead
He's a clone

>>149989422
>A relatively objective scale of some sort
The purpose of art is to convey ideas and emotions to those who experience it. As such, the closest you can get to an objective measurement of an art piece's quality is how many people it resonnates with. But in that case, Sword Art Online, Attack on Titan and One Punch Man are some of the greatest anime series ever made, as they resonnate with a large majority of anime fans. But many here, probably including you, would never consider calling those series "good on an objective scale".

Saying that art can be measured in any way objectively is a very slippery slope, which will inevitably lead to you having to state that things you yourself cannot resonnate with and even hate are objectively good. Which is completed retarded, since that defeats the entire purpose of art. Terms of objectivity should be completely abandoned with regard to artistic creation and appreciation.

>>149973858
The cafe manager is the guy talking all the time to Detective-kun on the phone. Same VA.

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>>149962561
>>149962643

boo

>>149989761
No, he's literally not dead. He's like the Devil guy -- just projecting his consciousness. That's why FBI-chan couldn't see his last moments. He is probably going to return to his body next episode.

>>149989934
I think in the end it all comes to a matter of taste but it also implies that trashy pop music has the same value as classics of classical music. Similarly, unpolished piece of shit has the same inherent value as piece of art that is regarded by many as good and that's just something I can't agree with. I know I'm appealing to authority and popularity like your popular anime example but I just can't let that shit slide.
The way I think art should be measured is to look at the point of that art, what is its purpose and how good it is at its job? What kind of audience it caters too and how well it caters to that audience compare to other works of its same genre, etc. And in that sense, I can say that SAO is good because it caters to the lowest common denominator and it does it well but when thinking it as an anime with the purpose of providing something meaningful with substances is when it falls apart.
I actually enjoyed all the anime you've listed except SAO, which I liked the LN but outright hate the anime.

>>149981202
Holy shit this one looks plausible

>>149990440
And how exactly is he going to recover, having died drowned? Unless they can "resurrect" his body, his soul ain't gonna enter anywhere soon.

>>149990440
Are you sure about that? Detective kun said Devil kun was caught in an explosion at work, so how do we know his body isn't destroyed?

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>>149990901

>>149990901
>how do we know his body isn't destroyed?
We saw his body in episode 4, and is in perfect shape.

>>149990573
>And how exactly is he going to recover, having died drowned?

He didn't drown, his body was already a souless husk.

>tfw you will never slowly heal brocon heart and make her move om from her brother
>you'll never be the person who accepts her
>she will never act coldly but affectionately toward you
Why live?

>>149991522
People fallen into plant life are also soulless husks but they're still alive, whereas Gamotan's body is quite dead. You can't just expect that he'll just enter his body and his heart starting beating again since that's not how it works.
Unless his body has been specifically engineered to be a shell capable of importing/exporting souls at will, which I doubt that's the case.

>>149991868
Oops, more like shutdown and start up again.

>>149990496
>it also implies that trashy pop music has the same value as classics of classical music
To many people, it does. Play a choir version of Dvorak's New World Symphony to a room full of people, and most won't be able to gather much meaning or pathos from it, they'll consider it's lyrics incoherent, it's tone incohesive and will probably be bored by the end of all 42 minutes of it. Play Party in the USA by Miley Cyrus, and all of them will be able to understand and relate to the protagonist's feelings of trepidation as she steps into a world inhabited by people she considers far greater than herself, and her relief when she finds a familar staple of her childhood and home even in this strange new world. On an objective scale, Cyrus is far better at conveying the ideas and emotions of building a new home in a new environment than Dvorak. But Part in the USA might just the single worst, most vapid song I've ever heard, while the New World Symphony is a revolutionary piece which pays tribute to a lineage of explorers and pioneers that spans centuries. This is why objectivity shouldn't be applied to art.

>Similarly, unpolished piece of shit has the same inherent value as piece of art that is regarded by many as good
No, that's exactly what trying to use objectivity does. It gives legitimacy to things that any educated, appreciative person would consider terrible, just because hordes of uneducated plebs and their pleb icons love and promote it. Again, under objective rule, Party in the USA is a fucking muiscal masterpiece.

>in that sense, I can say that SAO is good because it caters to the lowest common denominator
Yes, you can say SAO is good "in that sense", but it isn't good in any other sense, and this is why we must look at it through a subjective lense, not an objective one. If we look at it objectively, it's great, but I, and many others, do not feel that way at all.

>spoiler
I liked AoT and OPM as well, but they're not the best anime has to offer.

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>>149990440
>No, he's literally not dead. He's like the Devil guy -- just projecting his consciousness.

Precisely. I don't know if people have short attention span or just have bad memory.

Is like, they have forgotten what happened when Gamotan answered the phone call that would have killed him off. That devil was Kiryu, in the appearance of a demon. But why a demon? Because that's what was called the curse Ryo-tas bought for Gamotan: Devil's Ritual.

By cursing him Ryo-tas actually saved Gamotan of his impending fate. How come people do not realize that.

>>149992521
this could actually end up as a pretty good meme

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>>149962780
yeah, they don't exists, complete nonsense

>>149988176
Show only gets more discussion when ryotas has a lot of screen time.

>>149990440
Either she couldn't read off him because his soul was right next to her, or he's one of the few folks whose soul actually stuck around.
He's definitely, positively, very obviously dead.

>>149977375
Her tits change size all the time. Truly occultic breasts.

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>>149993809
I want her to use them to make my dick disappear.

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Occultic;Nine is 24 episodes, right?

...right?

>>149988793
>he knows his shit just because he's a sakugafag
Oh you poor anon. In most cases, it's the complete opposite.
>>149990440
>That's why FBI-chan couldn't see his last moments.
Her power is psychometry, she should be able to understand everything about anything, living or not, just by touching them (for example, figuring out how one of the agents had an injury, and the other had a fight with his wife). If she couldn't see anything in Gamotan's mind, that most likely means that his entire mind was blank before death, or maybe that there's some sort of interference (possibly thanks to the radio).

>>149993866
I want her to use them to make everyone else disappear and just have the anime show her all the time.

>>149993363
He's not. For the last time, look at the color of his skin.

>>149993981
Unfortunately no.

>>149991251
Ah. So he is a grown man who follows a Loli around and pretends to be a demon?

>>149994344
>loli
She's actually 17. Besides that, yeah.

>>149994344
Well, the most expensive of Ria's curses has him take the appearance of a real devil.

>>149992632
Because things don't add up the way you're describing. Gamotan was still deep inside that like just like everyone else. He has to have ended up there somehow.

Also it's not the phone call that directly killed everyone, the phone call led to people to commit suicide by drowning in the lake. Which he still did.

I'm actually kind of glad people dropped this show after episode 1. Weeded out the "El Psy Congroo xD xD" autists

>>149977375
You only feel that because in those shots she's wearing clothing that's adjusted to her breasts. You're comparing it to episode 1 when she was wearing her school uniform, which the show itself noted comports like normal cloth does instead of anime cloth, and as a result her entire torso looked like huge boobs.

Her bust size never changed. Her tits are enormous but also not as big as people for some reason imagine them as.

>>149994560
>She's actually 17.
Source? Website says Age: Unknown

>>149994614
You are the one who's not getting it.

I'm aware the phone call is what causes the brainwash. But do you really think this is the only method they can use? What if someoneone becomes aware of this fact. Like, you know, Moritsuka who told Sarai and the two ended up getting brainwashed anyway.

There are no memories in Gamotan because by the time the incident happened his body was already an empty husk. You'll see next episode.

>>149994768
It's mentioned that she was 13 when her brother died. She stayed with his ghost for a year, meaning she was 14 when she met Devil Guy. It's been 3 years since then.

Who is this kangaroo guy? what does he do?

>>149971228
If the whole reveal happens I really hope we get to see the 180 personality change and actually see her act like not a retard.

>>149994662
You tell me. I'm so glad this show is finally getting the praise it deserved.

Will they be able to resist making Tesla an actual character towards the end (or in the VN)?

>>149992008
>To many people, it does.
To many people it does but their opinions are worthless if they have no knowledge about music.
>No, that's exactly what trying to use objectivity does. It gives legitimacy to things that any educated, appreciative person would consider terrible, just because hordes of uneducated plebs and their pleb icons love and promote it. Again, under objective rule, Party in the USA is a fucking muiscal masterpiece.
I forgot to clarify that "many" is "many people of knowledge of the field they're talking about", not "many people" in general..
>Yes, you can say SAO is good "in that sense", but it isn't good in any other sense, and this is why we must look at it through a subjective lense, not an objective one. If we look at it objectively, it's great, but I, and many others, do not feel that way at all.
Why not? It's not like that sense and this sense is in conflict with each other? It can be a vapid anime but at the same time it's good at what it does, a vapid anime for teenagers. If you just focus on criticizing its merits as art then you're missing the point because it wasn't meant to be one.
That's not to say I don't welcome of criticism of SAO as art since it may promote better standard to story writing, adapting, etc as luck would have it.
Same argument go for Party in the USA and New World Symphony. The former is good as music for simple minded folks while latter is for more sophisticated one. Both are good at its own merit but bad when comparing by each other scale.
>I liked AoT and OPM as well, but they're not the best anime has to offer.
Well, we're are on the same page, aren't we?

>>149994841
It doesn't make sense for Gamotan to be an astral projection. Kiryu's astral projection, as we learned this episode, is a result of a factory incident involving a new isotope of scandium. It's not something that can just happen because he was spooked by a devil. Not to mention he doesn't show any signs of flying, although maybe all 256 can also fly and are just being limited by their mind.

So what if they have more methods than the phone call? That's my point, his body had to have walked into that lake somehow. A soulless husk can't do that, and you're implying it was already that before the incident.

>>149995099
I think I need to clarify on what I define as true objectivity. To me, objectivity is in the end, subjectivity and there's no avoiding that. But there's still a way to compare different subjectivity together. Let's say you have a SoL show and a mystery show, which use 2 different scales to measure them and it's therefore impossible to compare to each other because of its differences in genre. I say not. Convert it all to one single unit "how well it does it job". Let's say by the 2 scales the SoL get a rating of "mildly good" while the mystery show get a rating of "very good" by their respective scales, then I convert them to a single scale of "how well it did its job" and the mystery show won out because it's better at delivering a mystery experience than the SoL at delivering a SoL experience.
Of course, reality is no where near simple and black/ white as my example so there's a great more difficulty involving comparing 2 shows of different natures/ objectives but I believe it can be done.

>>149995207
>It doesn't make sense for Gamotan to be an astral projection. Kiryu's astral projection, as we learned this episode, is a result of a factory incident involving a new isotope of scandium. It's not something that can just happen because he was spooked by a devil. Not to mention he doesn't show any signs of flying, although maybe all 256 can also fly and are just being limited by their mind.

No, they cannot. Kiryu is a special case because of that incident.

Also, way to ignore the fact he showed up before Gamotan when he answered the phone, dude. Are you doing that on purpose or something? If you keep ignoring facts, I'm done talking with you.

>>149995324
I'm not ignoring anything. What do you think him showing up before Gamotan when he answered the phone entails?

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-Seven black crows = 7 out of the 9 protagonists are dead. Kiryu is Astral Projection and Ryo-tas is alive.

-The crow is often associated with death.

-One of the crows starts flapping its wings as Asuna opens the casket that holds Gamotan's body.

-When Gamotan is in front of his body, the same crow flies away.

- Crow leaving = Resurrection

Gamotan comes back to life next episode, folks.

>>149993981
I would rather kill myself then having to bear the pain of waiting new episode to be released in 24 weeks.

>>149995596
DEEP

>>149995596
But MYU-POM doesn't.
Damn.

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>>149981278
I didn't notice it until last week's episode

>>149995324
>>149995378
In case you're still in the thread, I don't know if you stopped responding because you thought I kept ignoring your facts or if you did so because you realized your theory is lacking support, but I'm not here just to shoot it down, if you can explain to me what exactly you think him showing up before Gamotan changed I'm all ears.

>>149969492

Those tits are a bunch of ghosts stuffed under her shirt and she's really got DFC.

>>149969492
How does magnet touch things?

>>149995099
>>149995215
But there's no one way to measure "How well something does its job." It's not like every mystery series has the same set goals it wants to achieve, Kiznaiver and O;9 for example can both be described as mystery dramas but go in totally different directions. You can't properly compare Kiznaiver's melodramatic narrative to O;9's subtle one, because despite both being presentations of a mystery, they're actually completely different. I for one think a good mystery series should follow O;9's example and be all about subtle foreshadowing and mystique, taking it's time and keeping the viewer in the dark. But I know plenty of people who loved Kiznaiver's style of having characters dramaticly confront each other as they reveal the twists of their pasts, clearing up some mysteries but creating whole new ones. As you said yourself, things aren't that black and white. I think you should just stop considering that series can be "good" in a general way at all, and think on a more personal scale. "Is this series good to me? If it is, why is it? If it isn't, then why is it not?" Asking those kinds of questions to yourself will help you understand the ways in which art speaks to you and will help shape your taste. It's how you become more cultured and educated about the things you love. Whereas, doing what you did in your original post >>149988793, thinking things like "I like this series, but others don't, so maybe it isn't objectively good?" is how you end up stopping thinking at all and get swallowed into the mindless masses.

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>>149989934
>The ammount of people that SUBJECTIVELY like something make up an OBJECTIVE scale to meassure quality thereof

>terms of objectivity should be completely abandoned with regard to artistic creation and appreciation.

You are a brainless postmodernist idiot and the reason why most art forms have devolved into complete absurdity, to objectively judge a work of art you objectively judge the quality of the elements that comprise it, not the ammount of people that like it, in any case, people liking SAO and other absolutely terrible works out there just evidentiates how low is the intelligence and how bad is the taste of the average anime consumer.
Seriously, stop talking like you know what you are saying, dumbass

>>149996425
If you are willing to listen.

In his character profile Kiryu is described as the guide to the afterlife. Some strong words those are, but it doesn't take a wise mind to figure out what that exactly means.

The last curse that was requested was for Gamotan, right? It was a really expensive curse called 'Devil's Ritual'. Then Kiryu just did that, he showed up before Gamotan in the appearance of a real devil.

What happened later is speculation by my part, but I would be really surprised if I was wrong, considering the amount of hints we already have. When Kiryu attacked him what he actually did was force his cosciousness out of his body. Hence why his mind is a blank slate.

What happened with his physical body after that is pretty much meaningless, but the police officer that was with Asuna said NOT all of them died by drowning.

So I stay firm to what I said before. Gamotan didn't actually die like the other victims.

>>149996837
Nice petty insults. You've offered no valuable content that I can properly reply to in your post. First, name what you think is an objective aspect of anime, and explain why you think it is objective. Do it, then we'll talk.

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>people dropping this because bigtitsmcgee
>muh "fanservice in a non fanservice anime"
>muh "sexism"

>>149997186
How do you explain the shot from his perspective inside the lake between Kiryu attacking him and him waking up?

>>149997391
Precognition. It was hinted at the beggining of the episode 1, the voice that was narrating was his.

>>149997202
Speaking like a tightass to appear superior is ridiculous and only shows how you mask your ignorance and stupidity behind a pretense of intellectuallism, but if you must know, anime follows 3 major rulesets to achieve a standard of objective quality, first comes visual art and animation, then comes cinematography, and then comes narrative and story telling.
Being a medium majorly based on draftsmanship, it is only natural that it must closely adhere to the fundamentals of art and animation, developing over screentime makes it obvious it must follow the rules and principles of cinematography and movie making, and last but not least, carrying the intentions to portray a compelling narrative it is precise that it obeys the literary precepts of story telling, these elements work togheter to make anime either a success or failure artistic-wise.

Don't worry though,I don't want to talk to you.

If you make an essay while arguing you might be retarded.

>>149997247
I dropping it because of the confusing plot.

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>>149997534
Or maybe, he managed to stay alive in the lake because of the curse that separated his soul from his body
There are several documented cases of people that have died just to come back to life at a later date.
I personally subscribe to the theory of the masked guy seeing passed out Gamotan and dropping him in the lake to make it seem like another victim though.

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>>149997785
>speaking the way I was raised to and have always spoken since I was a kid is pretense
Okay.
>first comes visual art and animation, then comes cinematography, and then comes narrative and story telling
Those are ridiculously broad terms which can't each be judged by a single objective standard. You haven't explained why they're objective at all either. Also, "narrative" and "story telling" are synonyms, and "visual art" is way too vague a term. I presume you mean the art detail and consistency in each individual frame, but really you could mean anything. You mock me for the way I speak, but being selective and precise with your language is the quickest way to being understood.

>>149998215
I want her to beat me up with her fat sacks.

>>149998239
>How dare you mock me you meanie! I-I was raised to speak l-like that! I'm not trying t-to deviate attention from the validity of my comments through presentation and semantics!
Yeah cool

>It's not objective because I don't understand
>It's a broad term that can mean anything because I don't know anything about it
Yeah, I know
You should learn about how the stuff is made before saying there is no objective standard of quality beyond people's taste.

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>>149998395
I want her to smack my dick around with them.

>>149998635
She'd break your dick.

>>149997992
Holy shit a mystery show doesn't immediately make sense.

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>>149998761
My dick would be too hard to break, even by her heavy pair.

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>>149998050
Look at this scene. See those shadows? Yes, Gamotan has the luckiest legs in the world.

>>149998536
You're projecting pretty hard there. I simply pointed out that this is the way I've always spoken and not a voice I put on, I never acted offended that you commented on my voice.

And no, they are all broad terms. Again presuming that you mean art detail and consistency in individual frames by "visual art", (since I have to presume, given your lackluster way of speaking and seeming inability to properly explain yourself) are you trying to suggest that there's a definitive amount of detail that needs to be in each frame to make the visual art in a show objectively good? And that inconsistency with that levekl of detail is objectively bad? Because that would mean that any show by Yuasa is objectively bad. Or do Yuasa's works meet your objective standard for what "visual art" should be?

>>149990389
MOSES SUPPOSES HIS TOESES ARE ROSES
BUT MOSES SUPPOSES ERRONEOUSLY

>>149996678
I can't compare by myself how well Kiznaiver did in comparsion to O;N all by myself but through arguing maybe I can shed some light. Also, people may prefer one approach over another but they should be able to see the merits of that another approach, regardless of their preferences.
I had asked myself enough of personal question. I enjoy what I enjoy but what I think about it maybe different.
There's a different though "I like this and think it's good but this guy who I think know more than me, think that it's bad, could I be wrong about it being good?". It does not imply I will stop liking it, nor will I easily change my opinion. It means I'm willing to accept that what I like and considered as good may not be actually good because human intelligent is fallible and one can't grasp everything, that for a guy better than me maybe he see something that I overlook.
Even people tastes aren't absolute either. Today you might found new reason to love something or hate something, whether it's logical or not. Sometimes that feeling is just a temporary thing, sometimes it really stick. You will keep find even more things you like and found out more things you dislike as you learn more information.
Why do I want to think of a general scale for everything? Because it's convenient. Explain why a series is good is sometimes too much work than to just drop a comment saying something is objectively good. Also it makes life simpler when you think there's a proper order to things regardless of whether you can define that order or not.
On an unrelated note, I like Kiznaiver and thought it was pretty good, except for some stupid plot points and that settings (which dug it own grave by episode 11).

>>149999000
>It's a broad term that can mean anything because I don't know anything about it

Whatever you think I mean is irrelevant, go and learn what visual art, animation, cinematography, and story telling entail to function propperly on their own and then re-read this:

>Being a medium majorly based on draftsmanship, it is only natural that it must closely adhere to the fundamentals of art and animation, developing over screentime makes it obvious it must follow the rules and principles of cinematography and movie making, and last but not least, carrying the intentions to portray a compelling narrative it is precise that it obeys the literary precepts of story telling, these elements work togheter to make anime either a success or failure artistic-wise.

The fact you are struggling to understand the meaning of my words only proves that you really don't know what you are talking about.

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>No dude this show has zero connection to the other colon series.

>>149999506
Steins;gate is fiction within the O;9 world, the detective is just being a weeb.

>>149999506
"Zero connection" is an easy simplification, in the O;9 world S;G is exactly what it is in our world: a visual novel. This character is an otaku and he ended his phone call referencing Steins;Gate, much like me and other weeaboo faggots often have.

>>149999457
No, no it doesn't. But it's fine if you don't want to explain yourself, I guess you weren't joking when you said "Don't worry though,I don't want to talk to you." You'll reply to someone calling them an idiot for not agreeing with you, but won't actually try to make them agree with you at all. I don't understand you or your mentality, but if you're too lazy to even attempt to make me understand, then this ends here.

>>149999746
I'm not calling you an Idiot for disagreeing with me, I'm calling you one for being one, I don't have the time to spoon feed you knowledge you are capable to get on your own and should have already know before going into this conversation, so yeah, bye.

>>149998171
But Gamon's name is in the list of CODE that professor Hashigami left on the ceiling. Which means he is one of 256, not extra body.

>>149999164
Also a general scale is more reliable to tell people to fuck off, convince someone to believe in something to be fact, hand waving annoying discussions that I don't feel like engaging, etc in short, convenient sake.
Of course, none of that bullshit would pass up in actual debate based on fact and objectivity where both sides are good enough to see through other bullshit but that's not the case for every day random discussion.
You might tell me to just outright lying if needed but that just doesn't fit with my moral compass. I can't exactly lie outright but I can say convenient things as long as I personally believe it to be true despite being somewhat fallible.
This is why at the first place I insisted that everything is in the end, subjective, but still proceeded to define what to me is objective.

>>149958248
this should have been where the series started. if we didn't know any better everything before this just seems irrelevant.

>start with lake incident
>intro characters while they discuss it
>halfway into the episode they hear all their names on tv
>second half intros new girl and finishes as this episode did.

>>149999890
>I don't have the time to spoon feed you
But you have the time to send me the long, snide, pointless posts you sent previously, and to browse a discussion forum at all? No, you're definitely just too lazy to bother contributing anything useful, and detriment to discussion here overall.

>>149999634
>>149999641
That's really disappointing.

>>150000304
>Mistery series destroying any semblance of mistery and engagement on ep 1

This is truly and awful disgusting decision, but I do see how it would have helped the headless chickens dissing the show to shut the fuck up.

>>150000330
Nice petty insults,You've offered no valuable content that I can properly reply to in your post. First, go learn what I told you to so we can operate in the same context. Do it, then we'll talk.

>>149958248
No one is subbing this anymore

Why doesn't Japan like this?

>>150000723
I don't want you to reply, I alreday said "This ends here". But you keep doing it, for some reason.

>>150000831
My problem is how fucking fast the conversations move, it hurts my head. If it wasn't for that, I'd love this show.

>>150000831
Anime industry has cattered to bad taste and low intelligence for a long time, it is expected of them to keep producing self-explanatory self-insertion fantasies instead of aiming a bit higher, Re: zero had a similar problem, it completely destroyed the neet otaku glorification archetype and respected the audience enough to make them connect some of the story on their own instead of relying on exposition, the only reason it was critically acclaimed it's because waifu fags love rem.

>>150000841
I said it first, but I understand how you ego wants to have the last word, so how about you hang up ;^)

>>149999164
>>150000071
It took me a while to wrap my head around what you're trying to say, it's 2AM here and you dumped a whole lot of different points and ideas there. But I think you're saying "Although everything in art is subjective, comparing things on a scale that pretends to be objective makes it easier to explain yourself, since people can understand objective things better than subjective ones."

Is that right?

>>150001357
It's 4AM over here and my head is a mess so sorry for that one. Yeah, it's correct. Should've tried to explain myself bettet but I figure it would make things even more confusing.

Are Ryotas and Gamotan in a relationship? It certainly seems like they like each other and they're comfortable about it.

>>150001602
Ryotas is Gamotan's sidekick, they do get along well but it doesn't seem to be going in a romantic direction. Perhaps that will be FBI-chan's role.

>>150001602
Nah, Gamotan wanted to bully Myu

>>149996560
Magnet field. Two magnet fields will cause distortions in each other when intersecting.

>>150000831
Why do people assume that Japan doesn't like anything? If you're implying that the sales numbers you see in stalker threads mean anything then boy are you mistaken.

>>150001602
>>150001657
Ryotas is Gamotan's minion. This was established in episode 1.

>>150001657
But it seemed really cute when his first thought about being rich was going out with Ryotas and treating her to an expensive restaurant.

She also gets jealous a lot, but being weird as she is that could mean anything.

>>150001666
Anyone would want to bully Myu, Satan.

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>>150001666
>666

>>150001862
>tfw no oppai minion

>>150001540
I can see why you'd take that approach, but I personally think it's more productive to try and explain yourself in a personal manner, as that opens the gates to more personal discussion. As I've previously said, I think art is all about having ideas and emotions conveyed to you, so I want to talk about what ideas and emotions were conveyed to myself and others. Speaking in objective terms often doesn't leave room for that kind of discussion.
"I really like the way this scene was done, the fight was fucking brutal and conveyed the hatred X character felt for Y character excellently."
"Yeah but, the animation was janky and low budget, so the scene was shit."

And yeah, I think Kiznaiver fell apart at ep 7. They had a perfect ending there with the most involving mystery in the show (what happened to Ruru) being revealed, the best character (Maki) completing her arc, and the theme of the show (connection) being perfectly displayed with the cast all agreeing to try and become proper friends. Then they ruined it with 5 more eps of forced drama, pointless exposotion about past events I didn't care about, and running the theme into the ground with the MC yelling "CONNECTIONS ARE IMPORTANT I WANT TO CONNECT WITH YOU ALL" as the finale.

>>150001602
Gamotan has described Ryo-tas as a "friend" a few times. Some of the O;9 writer's other works like Steins;Gate and Robotics;Notes also feature pairs of guys and girls who are really good friends but not romantic.

>>150001804
>If you're implying that the sales numbers you see in stalker threads mean anything then boy are you mistaken.
They mean a lot. No sales=anime failed

>>150002173
>Steins;Gate
>Robotics;Notes
>not romantic

>>150002359
If you think mentally ill people's stumbling attempts at copulation is romantic

>>150002359
Okabe and Mayuri are only romantic in non-canon materails and never in the anime, and Kai and Aki only become romantic right at the end (which could still happen with Gamotan and Ryo-tas).

>>150002390
Learn to context, idiot.

>>150002434
Well, your parenthesis was sort of what I was implying.

>>150002178
Good thing amazon stalker numbers aren't sales, only shitposting material.

>>150002640
They will be sales, Occultic Nine Sales-man.

>>150002749
They're predictive estimates that have been wrong countless times.

>>150002173
I agree but on discussion sites like 4chan, more often than not people wouldn't listen to your explanation and somtimes they even say the dumbest shit. That kind of time is when I don't want to engage in a productive conversation but just want to spite them for fun. There are other uses too but you get the gist.
Well, it's about the right times and right places but I'll keep your word in mind and try to be... more productive, even when I don't feel like it.
I thought the latter half was pretty amusing and throughly enjoyed it since I didn't take it seriously, I mean, you can't not laugh at that scene where everyone is writhing on the ground in the rain saying "itai". The finale was really undefendable, ep 11 outright destroyed any chance of people defending the setting while ep 12 delivered a very weak message "People can sympathize and befriend with each other regardless of differences".

>>150002849
Humans believe predictive estimates unquestioningly until they are proven wrong. See the US erection

>>150001357
No, it is wrong, or backwards rather.
Everything in art is objective, but comparing things on an subjective scale that pretends to be valid makes it easier for laymen to digest content without facing how much their taste relates to actual reality, as they see their likings directly associated with their identity and therefore, their value as people.
In simpler words, subjective standards help people disassociate what they like with how actually good it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tMtV5p0s4E

>>150003012
Who decides how good it is?

what happened to the thread

>>150003012
>Everything in art is objective
top kek

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>>150003151
objective reality.

>>150003012
>objective
adjective
4.
being the object or goal of one's efforts or actions.
5.
not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased:
an objective opinion.
6.
intent upon or dealing with things external to the mind rather than with thoughts or feelings, as a person or a book.
7.
being the object of perception or thought; belonging to the object of thought rather than to the thinking subject (opposed to subjective ).

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>>150003443
>I feel things when seeing art
>Therefore it is subjective

All art, weather it is literature, paintings,drawings or animation, is based on foundational knowledge, and that knowledge comes from observable objective reality, not from feelings, not from approximations, and certainly not from taste, which is why the claim that nothing in art is objective and its assesment depends solely on convenience and opinions is ridiculous.

>>150002970
>Well, it's about the right times and right places
You're right, there are times when trying to start productive discussion leads nowhere, you can look at a certain reply chain in this thread for proof of that. I just try to start discussion as much as possible wherever I go, with the logic that if I try more, it'll increase my chances of being successful. And it can lead to wonderfully insightful discussions like we're having right now, so I don't regret my efforts.

>throughly enjoyed it since I didn't take it seriously
This is going off on a tangent, but I don't think there should be this big divide like everyone sees between taking something seriously and not. Like, recently, there's been a big thing about "ironic enjoyment" and whether you can consider a piece of art good or not if the only things you got from it weren't just conventionally handed to you by the artist. For example, a schlocky 80s B-movie can give you way more enjoyment than a modern big budget Hollywood thriller, but most people would say that the modern film is still better since it can provide some "unironic enjoyment" while the B-movie only provides "ironic enjoyment". But to me, the purpose of that B-movie in the first place was to entertain me, and it did so thoroughly, and I came out of it with way more than I did the modern film, so it is actually just better. Similarly with Kiznaiver, its purpose was to convey dramatic conflict between the characters, and its melodramatic and hammy presentation did so perfectly. I don't see why I should think less of it just because it was melodramatic and hammy, as many people seem to.

>>150003520
Laughing at something isn't an argument

>>150003387
>it's realistic so it's good
No.

>>150003845
Then why are you using it as one :^)

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>>150003770
Tell me in an objective way what is the meaning of this piece of art

>the sakugafag autism is still going on

>>150003151
>who decides
People who try to say it's 'decided' are fucking idiots. There are two parts to how good a piece of art is. The first is technical excellence, and is objective. A marble sculpture that requires many hundreds of hours of planning and delicate and precise chiseling to make, and which can be permanently ruined by just one mistake, is objectively a more impressive piece of art than, for instance, placing a toilet upside down and scribbling 'fountain' on it.

The second is how well the piece shares any message, ideal, theme, emotion, etc etc. The 'feel' of a work. This is subjective as hell, but usually different mediums give this different weight compared to technical skill. Using my previous example, marble statues rarely try to evoke more than one or a few emotions, and usually have no specific meaning, besides the scene they depict. On the other hand, that fucking toilet says a lot about perception and has a very subversive and funny message about human nature in general.

The problem with the second is that any medium that strives for it instead of the first leads to a degeneration of skill, such that 'artists' end up being wannabe philosophers who can't sum their opinions, or get the public to swallow them if spoken outright, but think if they (not so) subtly hide their politics behind a public display of them shitting on a swastika, that they're literal geniuses. It becomes a cheap and easy way to avoid the fact that they have no talent, and because it's proliferated so much, the public is now keenly aware of that fact.

That is why the general populace fucking hates modern art. They know it has no purpose other than being a front for political opinions, and holds no artistic value because it's completely shunned the objective measure of 'goodness'. That's also why the populace loves long form stories (novels, plays, movies, etc etc), because it manages to mix emotion elicitation with craftsmanship.

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>>150003902
Being based in Objective reality isn't about realism, it's about correctness, and using that correctness to evaluate the quality of the piece.

Pic related, according to your logic, this is as good as the art and animation in occultic;nine, and by extension, a sonic fanfiction written in l33t and nonsenseical structure, or a movie shot in horrible angles with a stupid plot, is equally as good as a compelling, masterfully written novel or film, simply because a given number of people happen to like it.

This is completely besides the point though, the thing here is that

>>150004203
>This is completely besides the point though, the thing here is that
Meant to erase that before posting, shrug

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>>150004038
in an objective way, that is no piece of art, that is a piece of shit.

>>150004291
that is a subjective opionion, anon.

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>>150004392
no, not really, that thing you posted doesn't follow a single fundamental precept required to call something art, therefore, it is not art.

>>150004482
anon, learn what is art first. Don't replay to me again.

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>>150004717
sayonara

>>150004143
>A marble sculpture that requires many hundreds of hours of planning and delicate and precise chiseling to make ... is objectively a more impressive piece of art
No, it isn't. The mere fact that someone else can come along and say "no" in the first place disproves this. If it objectively was more impressive, literally everyone would be able to see that and we wouldn't be having this discussion. You have deiced based on your own, individual logical proccess that more time and delicacy = more impressive. No higher, absolute authority informed you of this, you just decided it on your own. You might have decided it based on things you heard from other people who themselves had decided it, but you still decided it yourself. And since it is something you yourself decided, it is subjective. That's how subjectivity works. An opinion you hold that can be debated is subjective. An opinion everyone holds as it is undebatable is objective. Art can't be objective, as it can always be debated.
"This piece of art is impressive." = subjective
"When I throw an apple into the air with no other force pulling it upwards, it falls back towards the ground." = objective

>>150004203
>>150004203
But what makies it correct? Who decides whether something is correct or not? Those masterfully written novels and films are only regarded as such because they resonnated with a certain number of people who collectively decided they were masterful. But to many others, they may not be masterful at all. Conversely, as you mentioned, things which people here on /a/ consider trash are regarded as great by people elsewhere. Sword Art Online, Mirai Nikki, etc etc. What objectively stops them from being "correct"? Nothing. Nothing at all. In 20 years' time, the people who love SAO and Mirai Nikki will make up the majority of the oldfags who are giving out reccomendations on what are the objectively the great classics of the 10s.

We need to view art through a subjective lense so we can say "Actually, I think these series are garbage and they don't resonnate with me at all." instead of just blindly accepting whatever those (supposedly) more experienced and respectable than us try to tell us is objectively the best.

>>150004849
>The mere fact that someone else can come along and say "no" in the first place disproves this.
Facts are not determined by peoples opinions. Your opinion on whether the Earth is round has no bearing on its roundness, nor does your opinion on the difficulty of chiseling marble have any effect on the difficulty of chiseling marble.

>>150005167
But I can find the difficulty of chiseling marbe to make for a less impressive piece of art than something else.

>>150005272
>But I can find the difficulty of chiseling marbe to make for a less impressive piece of art than something else.
if the 'something else' is more difficult, labourous, time consuming, or harder by some other objective measure of work, then you'd be right

>>150004849
>No, it isn't. The mere fact that someone else can come along and say "no" in the first place disproves this

The sun spins around the moon, you are a dog and mayoiga was an excellent show, see how that works?
some people BELIEVING something doesn't make it real, and some people BELIEVING the opposite of something doesn't magically invalidates that something.

> No higher, absolute authority informed you of this
I'm pretty sure that when somebody gets more impressed by prime time top notch animation or supreme story telling as opposed to notebook scribbles and gossip, the higher absolute authority of common sense is informing them, based on reality to infer this judgement.

>You might have decided it based on things you heard from other people who themselves had decided it
Ever ocurred to you that those decisions come from interaction with reality?

> And since it is something you yourself decided, it is subjective

Based on objective facts, therefore objective

> An opinion you hold that can be debated is subjective. An opinion everyone holds as it is undebatable is objective

Wrong, just because everyone believes something doesn't make it an undebatable objective fact, facts come from reality, not opinions.

"This piece of art is good" =/= "This piece of art is impressive" the first is an objective statement (if it's actually true), the second is a subjective opinion, the reason people debate wether or not art is good is because they often times conflate personal liking with actual quality, which brings us to the present issue.

Fuck off to /ic/, you retards.

>>150005347
No, for a start chiseling marble is obviously going to be easier for some people than others. There are big gaps in the level of hand-to-eye coordination people have. One person might be able to carve an image into a matchead with ease, while another might find it hard to simply use a pen to write legibly, because of their natural differences in how well their mind can control their body. And besides that, how difficult a task is to perform has no inherent bearing on how impressive the piece of art it makes is. If your only previous experience with art was with meticulously chiseled marble sculptures and beatiful, realistic paintings, then they would become mundane to you, while an off-kilter, unrealistic piece like in >>150004203 would seem super creative and amazing to you, easily impressing you. Alternatively, for a more realistic example, if someone were to set a schedule for themselves where they make the piece in >>150004038 but by arranging it pixel by pixel, one pixel a day, over the course of 10 or so years, that'd be an incredible feat of endurance and effort. But I certainly wouldn't find the end result as impressive as a marble sculpture or a beautiful painting, and I doubt you would either.

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>>150005823
I came here for /x/ not armchair art critics.

>>150001657
How old is FBI-chan? Is she into shota or something?

>>150004982

>>150004982
>But what makes it correct?
Close adherence to reality
>Who decides whether something is correct or not?
Reality
>Those masterfully written novels and films are only regarded as such because they resonnated with a certain number of people who collectively decided they were masterful.

And they collectively agreed on their mastery upon cross refferencing it to both the machinations of real life and pre existing works, deeming master pieces to be faithful to reality (google suspension of disbelief) and objectively better than pre-existing works by comparison.

>What objectively stops them from being "correct"?
Common sense, those series lack a basic understanding of how reality works, and thus their narratives and plot points are poorly executed, people like them because they identify or like certain characters like kirito or yuno, and as I said, their opinion is irrelevant regarding the actual quality of the shows, it doesn't matter if they are the majority or if they outlive everyone with good taste, they are wrong, simple as that.

We need to view art through an objective lense so we can infer our own thoughts from our own observations of reality and not from what people feel, I never said anything about following "experienced" opinion givers, but facts are facts, some things are objectively better than others and no ammount of feelings can change that.

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>>150006044
She's been shown wearing what I think is a school uniform several times, which I thought was an undercover disguise at first, but they never brough it up. Maybe she's actually 18 and not out of school yet? It's a massive stretch, but S;G had an 18yo being a respected neurobiologist, so maybe...

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>>150006135
No, judging the value of art by how realistic it is ridiculous. If so, then most of the most respected pieces out there are instantly trash due to their fantastical elements, plot contrivances, narrator bias, etc etc. Your objective standard limites the amount of art that can be considered "good" to somehwere less than 0.0000001% of all art created. Why are you even on an anime board in the first place.

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>>150005875
>hurr durr something about invalids and incompetents
Yeah I'm just gunna skip that whole 'point' and pretend you never mentioned it so you don't look like such a retard.

>how difficult a task is to perform has no inherent bearing on how impressive the piece of art it makes is.
technical impressiveness has no bearing BUT difficulty and craftsmanship. I don't know why you are so detached from reality, but I suggest you stop spending your money on a liberal arts program if you're currently enrolled in one, and try confronting a dictionary to realign your diction to your country/regions standard English.

>if someone were to set a schedule for themselves where they make the piece in >>150004038 but by arranging it pixel by pixel, one pixel a day, over the course of 10 or so years, that'd be an incredible feat of endurance and effort.
That's a monotonous and uninspired work. If it were original, and mistakeless, then it would definitely be worth something. pic related is an example of such a work

>>150006044
She's a high schooler. Your second question is weird though considering the dead detective is 26 years old, not a shota.

>>150006284
You should follow the thread better, realism has nothing to do with every true work of art being literally an attempt at mimmicking reality.
Otherwise we would not be seeing people interacting around wordly predicaments in anime, we would all sit back and enjoy color stains dancing to the tune of noise.
read this >>150004203

Anyhow, If you aren't talking about objectively bad stuff like SAO, then those respected pieces are regarded as good for being closely related to our reality in the way they develop, as well as being masterfully crafted and even innovating along the guidelines stated by the foundation of the craft, not because many people just felt like it was ok.

>>150006384
>hurr durr something about invalids and incompetents
No, about how difficulty in making art is obviously going to differ from person to person, but to borrow your idea, for an invalid to write a fluent essay would be far more difficult than for a talented artist to chisel a sculpture, but it wouldn't make the essay a more impressive piece of art than the sculpture.

>technical impressiveness has no bearing BUT difficulty and craftsmanship
>That's a monotonous and uninspired work.
That's not how objectivity works you hypocrite. The piece was difficult to make and reqiured a great level of craftmanship in how it was comprised on the smallest level imaginable in a way that took a decade. It fits your objective criteria for being technically impressive perfectly, but your own subjective feelings on it being "monotonous" and "uninspired" invalidate that? This is the problem with anyone who claims that art is objective. They either end up being a ridiculous snob who has a pretentious, esoteric standard for what art should be like >>150006135 (but at least they're respectable enough to have a definitive standard) or a hypocrite like you who claims to have a concrete, easy-to-understand standard but in reality just shifts that standard to suit their own subjective whims.

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Flat chest is best chest.

>>150007125
>No, about how difficulty in making art is obviously going to differ from person to person
and we call that talent, sweetheart.

>That's not how objectivity works you hypocrite.
mechanical work that takes no skill is NOT difficult. I don't see how you can think that's a subjective thing to say.

So is Chiyomarus new ride worth it? Robotics was pretty meh

>There are people right now on /a/ who need to pause to read the subtitles.

>>150007382
I don't, I just watch each episode twice to catch things I might've missed in the dialogue, which also helps me look for the little hints and foreshadowing in the visuals and audio.

>>150007382
>there are people on /a/ who never trained with Teekyuu or Tatami Galaxy

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>>150005875
>>150007125
>pretentious, esoteric standard for what art should be like

But it is the complete opposite, I'm just telling you that real things are real, and ficticious things that look and feel realer are better than those that don't, the whole point of art is to create a convincing enough reality, weather it is purely visual, or narratively.
Even if fantastical or cartoon-ish, one of the primary goals of a work of fiction is to create an hypothetical reality where the fantastical is so real it becomes believable to the spectator.

>>150007382
i don't, i watch it once and if i miss stuff i just go into this threads and i can basically see the episode again with the stuff i missed included

>>150007303
For someone with shit taste like you, no.

>>150007303
the OP/ED alone make it worth it, it is good though, the first episode is so cringe worthy that it actually made me drop it for a while, but once there were 3 or 4 chapters I took it back solely because of the amazing art direction, and I don't regret it, it's a good ride.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WI33IX_gUI

>>150007601
I was thinking the same thing. Those and the monogatari series was endurance training for dialogue dumps.

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Ryo-Tas is Zonko.

The first time Gamotan met Ryo-tas was the same time he met Zonko.

>>150008373
3 of my favorite shows.
It's no wonder I like this show.

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I'm in fucking love with FBI-tan.

>>150009474
It's a dude

So has MC been an astral projection since the end of the first episode?

>>150006883
>we would all sit back and enjoy color stains dancing to the tune of noise
2001 did this though.