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We're already at the halfway point. Who do you think the final boss will be? The KKK, Salt, Pure Illusion itself, etc.?
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>>149623822
Papika's armpits. I don't see any way of beating them. Honestly I don't want to.
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How tragic will his backstory be?
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>>149623822
>final boss
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>>149623950
His son is probably trapped in PI or something and so he needs the fragments to get him back.
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I get the old age thing

But what was the point of two Iro's? Why wasnt just one of them her?
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>>149623950
The guy behind him is his brother/son/friend and current grand wizard He doesn't give a shit about gathering the fragments, he just wants Cocona and Papika to gain experience so they can inception him and change his evil ways.
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>>149623950
Is that tomboy Papika on the right?
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>>149624027
So Cocona and Papika could both play her part in the illusion. There's also >>149618298
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They're obviously keeping the setting vague

But since they didn't know what the rock thing means, that eliminates the possibility that they're Japanese? If it's common knowledge for them.
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>>149624086
>But since they didn't know what the rock thing means

http://spartanideas.msu.edu/2014/07/10/what-is-the-meaning-of-seshimori-ishi/
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>>149624086
The buildings in their town are pretty European, and Flip Flap was measuring their body temperatures in Fahrenheit.
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>>149624086
>>149624129
Oh wait, fuck me.

I didn't digest what you were saying.

You were talking about Cocona and Papika not knowing what it meant. Fuck
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I had a grandfather who developed alzheimers

he was the nicest guy. such a sad fate.
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>>149624027
I think it's primarily a plot mechanism to handle both PPK and CCN being there at the same time, while also implying that Iro developed a bit of schizophrenia as a coping mechanism.

In the resolution for this episode, they didn't rewrite time so much as they helped reconcile Senpai with her repressed memories. She did revisit her auntie and reintroduce herself, but the memory was so painful that she repressed it and almost forgot it happened.
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How do we deal with lesbian predators?
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>>149624148
Don't forget the oversized kiwis and that one plant that they ate when camping in the pipe.
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>>149624086
>Papika and Bu-chan on the red side
>Cocona alone on the blue side
>Yellow segment above them off screen
Was this intentional? As for the region goes I don't think they're going for a specific or even realistic geological region considering they were chased by a giant kiwi earlier. Also whatever Uexkull is exists.
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>>149623822
>We're already at the halfway point
;-;
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>>149624198
Fiddlehead ferns.
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>>149624187
Strip them, gag them, blindfold them, and force them into your lesbian harem of 24/7 orgies.
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>>149624252
Sounds like a plan.
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>>149624213
Speaking of which does anyone have a webm of them being chased by the kiwi?
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>>149624198
Those ferns can be found in Japan too. They're not anything close to that size in real life though.
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>>149624229
I want Sayuri to be my older sister.
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>>149624296
If someone made it it should be in the archive.
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Wasn't episode 4 a PI world? I thought they transported via tubes.
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>>149623822
> We're already at the halfway point.
Don't make me sad again.
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>Jerry Beans
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>>149624394
WHAT COULD IT MEAN?
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>>149624161
>I had a grandfather who developed alzheimers
My grandmother had it too. It's one of the worst ways to go, but it's a humbling experience for everyone involved.

On a somewhat related note, I had the unfortunate experience of watching Robot & Frank with a friend recently and he got to see me break down crying at the end. Check it out sometime.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4y8YAMPFhk
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>>149624365
i would guess its small dark places
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>>149623950
What if the person behind him is his younger self, back he was when he was happy and could wear a white suit and go outside instead of staying inside in his dark room all the time wearing a dark suit and sunglasses while he manipulates middle school girls
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!
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>>149619303
>>149619410

My grandmother has been on an Alzheimer's glide slope for the last 15 years -- she's 96.
My mom has been giving her a day-by-day planner as a Christmas gift each year for at least the past 40.
At some point, we began adding notes for all of the grandchildren's birthdays.
When we moved her into assisted living, the planner came with a stack of blank birthday cards.
Eventually, we added her children's birthdays. And stamped, addressed envelopes.
These last few years, my mother has been writing checks and sending out birthday cards for her.

You do what you can.
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>>149624331
What if when Flip Flap saves the day she kisses Hidaka?
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>>149624471
>instead of staying inside in his dark room all the time wearing a dark suit and sunglasses while he manipulates middle school girls

Sounds like the life to me, desu.
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>>149624434
>friend
just messin

yeah I'll give it a watch some time
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>>149624394
>Jerry Beans
>Bleating
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>>149624549
but can we truly be happy that way, anon?
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>>149624345
>Yayaksss.webm

That's not Yayaka, that's Yuyu.

Why are we sure Yuyu's in elementary school, BTW? Is it because of the Randoseru backpack only, or is it stated somewhere?
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>>149624483
I feel he knows everything.
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>>149624086
>>149624148
>>149624198
>>149624213
>>149624299
I think the "real world" of Flip Flappers is supposed to be fantastical, unrealistic, and dreamlike itself, even though it's supposedly the solid world to contrast the freeform Pure Illusion. I have a theory that it might be revealed that the real world isn't as solidly real as is portrayed, and might itself have some of the characteristics of Pure Illusion to it. Judging by how Iroha was suddenly able to wear nail polish despite her parents forbidding it after supposedly only her subconscious was changed, it seems likely that the nature of the real world in this series is determined by the internal perceptions cast upon it by its residents. Which if Salt and the KKK are trying to get into this deeper Pure Illusion where people's innermost subconscious and self-narrative can be altered, it seems that they are trying to change or control the world itself. Perhaps this is what Salt means by setting Pure Illusion free; breaking the already somewhat loose world away from its constrictive bonds of reality to move freely and with the infinite potential of Pure Illusion.
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I want to Papika Papika's Papikas.
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>>149624594
Oh fuck it is lol
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>>149624589
Yes.
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>>149624394
>tripping
They got that part right.
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Kokomine Papika.
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How long until the blue haired loli from the OP shows up?

>>149624575
>Bleating

M-maybe it's intentional. Maybe they mean that Papika and Cocona are like bleating lambs to the slaughter, blindly following Dr. Salt and not realizing the true danger behind Pure Illusion.
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>>149624365
No, because the whole point of episode 4 was Flip Flap trying to get them to synchronize better so they could enter Pure Illusion, hence why they were stranded together on an island. Also, at the end a portal to Pure Illusion opens, which indicates that they weren't already in it.
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The ending is driving me nuts because it sounds so close to another one I heard possibly long ago.
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>Cockona
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>>149624679
Jinrui ED?
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>>149624667
>they'll never even kiss
Feels bad. I hate yuri, too.
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>>149624617
>Judging by how Iroha was suddenly able to wear nail polish despite her parents forbidding it
No. She didnt use the nail polish because she felt guilty about breaking her aunties promise that she made.
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>>149624723

eh, there doesn't need to be a kiss in order for a ship to be confirmed. Just look at Hibiki x Miku
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I'm surprised how this ep made some anons feel sad because grandparents. Never met mine. What does the trick to me are animals or pets. Hope nothing bad happens to Ux, Bu or this guy.
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>>149624799
HibiMiku is at least gonna get a kiss in S4 or 5.
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>>149624594
Thought that was YYK too. Fuck, just masturbated to an elementary schooler.
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>>149624916
The final Auntie scene happened very similarly to me the day before one of my grandparents died. It's good writing.
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>>149624951

we'll see, but what i'm more interested in is whether season 4 is going to able to avoid season 3 problems
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>>149624296
Here. Sorry fucked up webm.

>>149624213
Maybe they ended up in a small region on Zew Nealand. Maybe everything is not real like other anon said.
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Episode reminded me of this webm

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1477988402526.webm
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Papika's repeaters sound nice. They nailed Yuyu's gatling gauntlet last episode too.
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>>149625116
>Papika and Cocona go to a PI where they've been married for years, but then one of them gets Alzheimer's
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>>149625116
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Please no more feels.
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>>149625172
The combat sound effects tickle my nostalgia.
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>>149625116
Why would you do this?
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>>149625172
Still disappoint because they have not fought the twins and Yayaka for real, only small bouts that get quickly interrupted so far.
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>>149625116
What the fuck anon?
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>>149624685
http://cockona.tumblr.com/
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>>149625096
It's perfect, thanks.
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>when a Yaya has her childhood friend get stolen by a mysterious new girl with a magnetic presence, but then she starts doing some shit and you don't feel bad anymore
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>>149625216
I meant the last one, I should have been specific.
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The Klan obviously represents religious organizations. I think the flip flappers are the gey counterculture. Pink hair guy is obviously a fag and Sayuri literally has yuri in her name. Dr. Salt probably isn't gay but he might just be salty about some woman who spurned him in the past so he's trying to destroy heterosexual love everywhere.
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>>149625220
I want Papika to drink me.
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>>149625116
>What I came to the thread for
Pic related

>What I Got
http://www.gq.com/story/japanese-cry-parties
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>>149625116
jesus
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>>149625214
Anon don't you think this is taking it a touch too far?
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>>149625220
Jokes aside. Does anyone actually want a yayaka end? out of curiosity.
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So Pure Illusion is confirmed to be people's minds, right?
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>>149625287
I want a senpai end.
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>>149624679
I dont know why but i always listen to the ending and i never watch opening or endings
What is up with the music
Its digging itself into my mind
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What disease was granny suffering from, again?
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>>149625287
I'm quite fond of her, but I don't know how much of that is the threads' influence.
I doubt she'll win the Cocobowl (if one exists), but I hope that she redeems herself.
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>>149625173
I'm kinda expecting papi and coco to travel to their ideal world before one of them fades away. Kinda like knm. Then they reborn as yuri sisters too.
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>>149625339
AIDS
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What disease was granny suffering from again?
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>>149625352
God, anything but a KnM end, please.
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>>149625339
>>149625367
That ain't funny son. This displeases Iro.
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>>149625388
This scene was Yuasa as fuck.
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>>149625205
They're kids. Do you actually WANT them to start killing each other?
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>>149624594
it's stated on the official website character page
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>>149625352
Well that's the manga. In the anime Chikane is just eventually reincarnated and we get some age-gap with Himeko.
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>Cute, pretty, and handsome at the same time
>Loyal and protective
>Resourceful and adaptive
>Impeccable taste in interior design
>Cute, fertile puppydong
>Will lick your pussy all night and cook exotic breakfast for you the next morning

Is Papika the perfect pet husbando (female)? Cocona is such a lucky girl.
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>>149625409
well supposedly it's miyazawa who did the ping pong op (as well as cuts from ttg as well)
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>>149625461
>Cute, fertile puppydong
Fertile is usually the term given to the female, isn't it? Wouldn't it be fertile puppypussy?
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>>149625430
Being cute magical girls just isn't going to cut it anymore in this age. They need to be warriors.
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>>149625430
Yuyu was about to get dirty in ep 3. Only thing holding them is Yoyoko. I guess twintails will replace her as the leader and aim for the kill.
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>>149625495
Virile then.
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Is there a HQ final version of this? Last I saw it was included in the ED's physical insert, but I don't know if that means it would be a scan rather than a direct upload
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>>149625461
cockona wears the pants in the marriage
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>>149624537
Fuck, just recently I got a birthday card from my grandma, she usually writes but this time she just sent a check.
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sniff sniff
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So at this point it's all but confirmed that Pure Illusion is a world built from people's memories (hard to tell if Iro actually talked to her Auntie, or if Flip Flappers changed her memory). I don't really see any other logical explanations for it, but illogical ones would be cool too.
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>>149625730
Or they actually changed the past.
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>>149618428
there's a little bit more than that.
She casts the idyllic parts of her like in happy, warm colors. She could deal with the blue so long as she had that refuge of warmth to keep her going.

When the dementia fully sets in, she loses even that, and the world no longer held meaning. She couldn't escape to her happy place anymore, because it no longer existed. Hence CCN and PPK both being blue, and the inability to switch.
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>>149624685
Why do you keep posting this in every thread?
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>>149625676
At least you still get good boy points from grandma.
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>>149625730
stop calling it 'all but confirmed'. The only strong evidence comes from a single PI, the rest are very open to interpretation. That's not enough to conclude anything.
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Full ED is here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItLrMU5YT7s
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>>149624951
At this point I feel like DMJii is a bit closer to that point especially after GX.

As to Papika/Cocona I'm still of the belief that a romantic relationship is inevitable for them. Since episode 4 their relationship is progressing way past the point of simple friendhship.
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>>149625828
thanks for the link. I was looking for it
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>>149625816
it's slowly been increasing by five dollars too
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>>149624394
HAI HAI
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>>149624674
>>149624575
bleating is definitely intentional
as silly of a word as it is
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>>149625828
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujnZMSrCZT8
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Yayaka doesn't believe in global warming.
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>>149625287
Don't get me wrong. I like Yayaka a decent bit but I'm staunchly of the opinion that Cocona/Papika re meant for each other at this point
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>>149625828
>>149626003
When the series is done someone needs to make a collage of all the gay moments they almost have.
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Papika once knocked over a stand of chips at the grocery store and didn't pick it up.
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>>149625287
I want Yayaka to have a happy end where she gives up her delinquent/KKK life but doesn't win the Cocobowl.
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Yayaka dies.
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Yayaka says thanks to vending machines.
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I thought this show was a funny yuri bait.
Not emotion cluster fuck.
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>>149625824
I think it's a case of "if I keep repeating this enough it will become true".
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>>149626186
Its okay at least its not as bad as this.
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>>149626246
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Sayuri, I've finished! Clean me!
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WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST WATCH?
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>>149626312
It's a mystery to everyone.

Senpai is a major character though, now that she has a name.
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>>149625824
And the second one with Rabbit. But hey, keep complaining about logical speculation without offering up counterarguments. I'm sure you'll go far.
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>>149626312
A healing episode
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>>149626186
Wait for the break up episode when cocona finds out about papika's dead girlfriends.
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For the sake of argument, let's assume that PI is made up of people's mindscapes. What does collecting the fragments mean? This episode introduced a very interesting concept with Cocona and Papika healing Iro, but they did that by entering a hidden trauma realm, so I wouldn't imagine that they're healing every mind they enter.
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>>149626330
Are her paintings unique to this show? I really love their style.
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Senpai had a hard life
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Do we have any interviews with the creators or anything? I'm really curious, at this point, how this show came to be. Whose baby is it?
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>>149626510
Past tense?

inb4 sempai goes insane because her mind got trashed by a couple of lesbians
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>>149626312
Art.
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I just noticed that all of the episode titles are related to audio equipment. Is there a connection between this and Dr. Salt's apparent audiophilia?
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>>149623822

I honestly don't know where this show is going and I love it.
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>>149626559
Seems they were quite confused. >>149581906 >>149588328
>ミト それがすごかったんですよぉーー!!(笑)。すごかった。シナリオが6、7話くらいまであったんですけど、それでもわかんなくて。
>伊藤 人間関係がまずわかんなかったよね。
>ミト 最終稿のプロットもいただいたんですけど、読んでもわからない(笑)。もはや全てを放棄しようかと思ったときに、監督が「じゃあ改めて1から」って説明を始めてくれたんですよ。でもその「1から」がプロットさえも飛び越えて、全然違う縮尺になってるんです。A4の用紙に2mmくらいの文字をびっちりメモして、それでも足りないくらい書き込みましたよ(笑)。
>松井 キャラの相関図を書いたりしながらね。「これがこいつで、これがこうつながってて……」「えっ、なんでこれとこれがこうなってるの?」みたいな感じで(笑)。
>ミト 挙げ句、話を聞いてた音響監督が「えっ、それってそうだったの?」って言い出したりね(笑)。
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>>149626765
I wonder how much of that is them playing it up for the interview. The relationships between the characters is not that confusing, I'm not sure why you'd need to diagram it.
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>>149626647
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>>149626631

I thought "Pure Play" would be about playing games or something, but it's more like replaying the memories. They should've named it "Pure Replay".
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>>149626992
Yeah, most of them make sense, though I'm still trying to figure out how XLR cables connect to episode 3.
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>>149626562
Reminder that Cocona and Papika fucked up and said Iroha "sempai" to the old lady.
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Gonna breed the Papika.
Gonna make so many babies with Papika.
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>>149625116
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>>149627366
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>>149627366
Control your id Cocona.
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>>149627523

How?
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>>149627648
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>>149627767

So scientist dude is the donor?
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>>149627648
Pure Love.
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>>149627776
Not quite what I was going for.
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>>149627523
Removing impedance.
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>>149625116
I'd legit rather die than live the rest of my life with Alzheimer. Forgetting everyone that you love and care about is just way to depressing for you and them.
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>>149627784
>>149627787

It reminds me of a doujin where two girls have sex and one of them gets pregnant. They never explain how she got pregnant and moved along like it was totally normal.
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>>149627970
If it's sci-fi setting then TPS nanobots are an option. If it's a fantasy setting then Magic.

Flip Flappers has both Scifi and Magic, so lots of options.
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>>149627952
Don't worry, you won't even remember that you are forgetting things.

Hell right now you might have a deadly brain eating prion in your head and be forgetting most of your life and you wouldn't know.
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>>149625287
I want Cocona to be happy.
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>>149627952
There are some promising treatments being researched right now. Hopefully it won't be an issue when we grow old.
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>>149625730
I wouldn't say it changed her memories, just her interpretation of them.
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>>149626992
Play as in "roleplay", this isn't that hard. They were roleplaying out Iroha's life.
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>>149625388
I love that choice of animation style so much. It gives the perfect feeling of how a child sees their parents' marriage falling apart.
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>>149628007
>Don't worry, you won't even remember that you are forgetting things.

In the later stages at least. The onset of the disease is pretty gradual and early on, patients are often capable of fully recognizing their declining cognition and the holes in their memories.
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>>149625116
I can't deal with this.
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>>149627970
technically at this moment our scientific advance could help a lesbian couple having their own child ?

nothing magic here folks
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>>149624394
Any translations for this around yet?
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Is flifla at least paying Cocona for her services? Seems stupid that she's working for free.
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>>149628407
Careful, you're hurting someone's feeling.
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>>149628343
FLIP FLAP FLIP FLAP
FLIP FLAP FLIP FLAP
FLIP FLAP FLIP FLAP
FLIP FLAP FLIP FLAP
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>>149628488
This seems pretty much it.
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>>149628115
"Play" is used as an audio term here. Basically, "play back". Though them "playing" as loli Senpai could be a secondary meaning, the Japanese word for play as in performance is "enji" so it doesn't really work in Japanese.
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>>149628596
So not not play as in play with yourself?
Well fuck.
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>>149628007
>you wont even remember forgetting things

Not until you're totally gone. My wife works at a nursing home. The patients with Alzheimer's absolutely know for a fact that they are forgetting things and that there's something wrong with them, until they are so far gone they are basically vegetative.
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Did they literally just go full inception on Iroha?
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>>149625540
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>>149628930
Uexkull please get out of there.
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>>149628407
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I can't wait until they enter Yayaka's mind and fix whatever's making her so tsun.
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>>149628930
Awesome pic.

>3 O clock
Are they cutting class?
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Was the yuri horror house Yayaka's mind?
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>>149629136
No that was episode 3.
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>>149629051
They do it discreetly on Saturday afternoon.
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>>149628980
She doesn't need fixing, she just needs to get laid.
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I gave flib flooper a second chance after dropping it in episode 1 before it even reached the OP and it's pretty alright.
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>>149628980
I welcome them to fix whatever they want in my brain.
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WHAT
THE
FUCK
IS
HIS
PROBLEM
???
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>>149629302
That kind of makes her look like an ice-cold killer now.

I feel sorry for the weird panicked eyeball thing.
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>>149629326
He salty.
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>>149629332
>Not feel privileged to be gripped by her cute weapon.
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>>149629253
>That gif.
Good taste anyway, anon.
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>>149624161
Yes, the episode hit me hard in the memories.
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>>149625287

I do. The way it looks like to me, she's the Homura of the series, who went through hell for her friend and nobody knows about it, so she deserves some happiness. Papika will probably turn out to be Cocona's materialized subconscious or something. But I know most likely none of this is true.
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>>149629326
Crippling depression.
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>>149629326
Oh I see his eye
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>>149630172
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>>149630196
200% mad
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The scene when Iro-Cocona was shocked because Aunty forgot about her was so melodramatic. That's not how you convey emotions. It's overacted. Even Okada in Kiznaiver didn't write like that.

I really can't believe someone still defend the staff here, when aside from the animation it's been average. Like, you've already watched a lot of magical girl shows, got bored of it, then this appears. A lot of visual techniques, but they can only do so much with a generic pop drama tier writing. I don't care if it makes effeminate numales cry like a little girl. It's disgusting, a cheap simplification of a neurosis.

Sure, better than a lot of shows this season, but that's not really saying much, considering the average quality of anime.

Go on, keep telling yourself that I'm just trolling or baiting for (You)s. Deep down inside, you know it's true; that this is just a whimsical magical girl adventure with shounen action elements, but with hiccups in composition and execution, resulting in aimless unfocused narration. It's alright to have fun with this show, but thinking that this is the pinnacle of animation this season or this year is simply just Pure Delusion.
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Just rewatched the episode and not really anything new but god damn the way they use the colors is amazing. If you rewatch it pay attention to the colors of everything and how they change. The houses are different colors and when Cocona enters her home there is a really nice shot of her stepping over the boundary where the outside is orange, and the inside is blue. I really like that.

Two things I did notice, though. On the plot side of things, when they left Pure Illusion the show shows Salt listening while they are talking about how they succeeded, which gives the impression that this bit of information was important to him somehow. The theories about Salt not giving a damn about the crystals and/or desiring this "deeper" level of PI might not be too far off.

The other thing is when Cocona woke up in the hospital and saw grandma, she took her slippers off to climb over the fence in her way. Later in the grey ravine with Papika and Cocona together it shows both of their feet briefly, and hers are scratched and hurt from running on pavement barefoot (which after about 15 seconds of seriously fucks up your feet and hurts for days by the way, don't ever do that). This seems like an odd thing to put a focus on to me, like it might be a reference, drawn from personal experience, or have some small amount of meaning, but I am not sure which.
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>>149630393
boi
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>>149623984
Disagree. Seems like he wants to make his dreams the reality, where everything is perfect for him.
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>>149630393
>melodramatic
>Even Okada in Kiznaiver didn't write like that.
>numale
>magical girl with shounen action elements
>not the first post from this IP
>not bait
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>>149630481
Hi anon, are you trying to say something?
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>>149630519
Anon probably meant to link to the post above that one.
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Alright guys, spoilers
In last episode's after credits scene Cocona wakes up to her grandma's "did you have a bad dream?", tells her she's had amazing adventures and then goes to school. IT WAS ALL A DREAM
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>>149630560
Yes, I did. Sorry.
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>>149626371
I don't think the amorphous are necessarily related to people's memories. I mean, it's not this episode's was connected to Iroha's mind at all.
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>>149630481
Urusai
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>>149625116
>this episode
>this video
>my grandma had alzheimers
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>>149630491
>magical girl with shounen action elements
He's not wrong about that one.
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>>149623822
Heterosexuality
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Jesus fuck that episode.
I think it will probably be my favorite one in the end. I've been wanting for the show to focus on Senpai and they did it in such an spectacular way.
Did not expect to cry watching flip goddamn flappers.
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>>149628248
Yeah. It reminded me of mine.
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>>149624394
>not cherry piss
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>>149630907
A terrifying foe, indeed.
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>>149625462
OH YEAH
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>>149630890
It's kind of like saying it is mahou shoujo with horror elements.

Not completely wrong, but missing the point.
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>>149630890
>>149630945
If I had to assign a primary genre to this show, it would be adventure, with mahou shoujo as a secondary genre.
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>>149630995
"Adventure" is probably the right term. Not sure what else would describe a story that shifts genres and setting constantly.

And mahou shoujo is self explanatory of course.
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Was anyone else more affected by the idea of two little girls taking turns being in the sun with a loving caretaker, fighting each other to not be The Thing while the adults around them are oblivious than by the Alzheimer's?
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>>149629302
I had digimon vibes here
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>>149630196
Whats wrong with his ears
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>>149631061
I did find that really unsettling but hard to put into words as to why really. Been weighing on me since they said "Switch places with me".

Not sure why it got to me though. It's been itching in the back of my head.
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>>149625828
First half is good but the full ED is nowhere in the same level as Jintai ED.
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>>149625305
because its fun

alpha waves
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>>149625116
Fuck
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>>149631061
The taking turn thing really paid off when Cocona came back from the hospital asking to switch back instead of Papika asking to switch like the first time.
That killed me inside.
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>>149631131
This and i also found it weird because the other place (drawing alone in the room of her parents house) didnt seem to be much better.
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I wonder if there was symbolism in two "Iros" looking different (like Cocona and Papika) which reflected both Yuki (that's obaachan's name if you haven't noticed) fading memory and her parents lack of caring for who she is.
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>>149631176
That were Cocona and Papika roleplaying as Iro
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>>149631176
>draw normal!
Can you be more of a dick to a child?
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>>149631161
Yeah, that was a perfect touch. I was a little bored with the episode until they started tagging out, it was a great way to make Iro's story compete with the zany things going on around it.

>>149631176
It was a way for them to both learn Iro's story, while having orange Iro be the happy one and blue Iro the sad one, until that part also flipped
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cockona
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>>149630393
I think that was actually a bit underacted.
The little girl just lost the only person who cared about her. Iro's happy world was destroyed.
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>>149631202
You could physically abuse them while telling them to draw normally
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>>149630995
Since most episodes are a mashup of multiple genres, I call it the LHC of genre smashers.
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>>149631304
See: Clarissa
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>>149631131
Because it was adversarial and resentful. They were fighting in a way which was completely uncharacteristic of Papika and Cocona.
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>>149624617
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>>149630393
Not melodramatic in the slightest for a child to react that way, a child would fucking react with that much terror if a clown jumped out, if it was an adult I'd agree. You sound like someone who is literally just watching the show to pick at any thing you think might sound plausible because you are worried people might be enjoying something and think it's better than your favourite show.
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>>149630393
Also people would think you are baiting because of the kind of language you use and the way you make the claim and think you are trolling because your post and the way the argument is built comes across as having ulterior motives.
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>>149626330
>Senpai was named "Senpai" in the character chart just so we wouldn't know her real name and get spoilers for this episode
I love this show.
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>>149631675
How could you not immediately recognize it was Art Club?
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>>149631161
That was rough. Especially how they were both blue at the time because the orange life was completely gone.
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>>149631675
Too bad the subs spoil it right away when the painting signature is shown. Even though native Japanese wouldn't be spoiled by it because kanji have several readings and that one's rather uncommon.
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>>149631745
I knew about that, but the whole episode is about "Iro", and if we knew Senpai's full name was "Irodori Iroha" it would instantly be recognizable.
Since they didn't tell us her name before, there was a little mystery about what we were truly seeing.
Hell, some anons only noticed this was Senpai's backstory when they flat out said her name right next to the end.
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>>149624394
Fucking Jerry
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>>149631817
Irodori Iroha was literally written on one of the paintings we saw early this episode
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>>149631933
it was only one kanji of her full name
>>149631803
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>>149631993
>it was only one kanji of her full name
HS had them translated
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>>149631567
While how normal children behave is useful as a source and for suspension of disbelief, ultimately it doesn't matter. Iro is an actor with a script accompanying her. Can you imagine if a drama uses real world 'adult dialogue' for adult actors, with a lot of 'huh', 'eh', 'mate', etc.? That's why screenplay exists. Even if we use 'kids realistically', then they would just say their names, without going in angst. Not Iro, she's a problem child. The whole scene is contrived precisely because they have no idea beyond making cheap tear-jerking moments. It's not just the character. The camera angle, her movement backing up, etc.

Perhaps it's still Cocona, and she, half-realizing the trauma, went to Papika, begging to switch places. Such trauma is ironically how the two woke up from the illusion, reconciling the split subject. If it's like that, then there's no need to make it WAAAH and so on. Another uninspired writing from Yuniko, yet people here overrate this show like this is the next Madoka or something.
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>>149632047
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>>149632047
>It's not just the character. The camera angle, her movement backing up, etc.
You mean the direction supports the story?
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>>149632047
>The whole scene is contrived precisely because they have no idea beyond making cheap tear-jerking moments. It's not just the character. The camera angle, her movement backing up, etc.

I like how you are indirectly praising the director for his effective use of cinematic techniques.
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>>149630491
>not the first post from this IP
What's that got to do with my post? It's not like I'm bashing the show or something. Also,

>greentext meme
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>>149632345
Pleb.
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>>149624594
Yuyu looks quite evil in that one. How long till Yayaka has to ditch them?
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>>149632086
>stop disliking what I like
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>>149632047
Did you intentionally design your post to inflict insanity upon those who read it? It's fucked up in so many tiny different ways it gave me a headache.
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>>149625287
I won't know until Yayaka reveals her true intentions.
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>>149632495
>stop liking what I dislike
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>>149624394

what does it say i can't read runes.
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>>149632047
So many words said, and yet you can't even make your point properly. You haven't actually provided any specific reason for why you think the scene was overly melodramatic.
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>>149632047
I was taking you seriously until the last sentence.
>mad Madokafag
Go back to your reservation.
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>>149632659
Who are you quoting?
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Anyone else think next episode looks like Papika aging on her own and Cocona and everyone else staying the same as the result of PI or something?
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Um, yeah, so it's a LITTLE creepy that they're taking a bath together
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>>149632495
That doesn't really work when the person you are replying to is replying to someone who is stating their opinions as if they were fact, and their entire opinion is "stop liking what I don't like".
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Reminds me of some blog post I read where the author compared episode 5 of Flip Flappers with some obscure 90s OVA and getting mad that FF episode wasn't directed exactly like it, down to screenshot comparisons.
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>>149632743
How long have you been watching anime? Or consuming anything related to japanese culture for that matter?
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>>149632738
The next episode looks like crisis of infinite Papikas. Probably because of some Flip Flap device malfunction.
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>>149632743
It's not unusual for little girls to take baths with their mother, even in western society. Here, the aunt just replaces said mother.
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>>149632820
They're not related
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So, theories about the ending?

I noticed the art girl at the end of the episode had her nails painted. The old lady in Pure Illusion was really into painting her nails too. Are they the same person?
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>>149632743
>Um, yeah, so
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The soundtrack got really good this episode.
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>>149632860
That doesn't really matter, she's basically an adoptive grandmother. Plus public baths are a thing in japan anyway.

I know some actually creepy shit that happens in the west near me, like an 8 year old girl who showers with her dad.
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After watching the episode again, it's amazing how much depth they gave a side character without actually giving her so much as five minutes of screentime.
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>>149632863
> Are they the same person?
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>>149632863
Yes.
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>>149632944
I find it amazing how they did a "side character backstory" episode and it ended up being so interesting. Usually those are terrible.
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>>149632863
>Are they the same person?

I really want to be mad at you.
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>>149632863
It isn't that hard anon, come on.
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>>149632863
>Are they the same person?
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What did she mean by this?
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>>149633052
She wants a bit of Cocona's apple, if you catch her drift.
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>>149633052
She wanted to meet Oba-chan again
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>>149633017
Reminded me of FLCL ep 3.
The episode is focused on a side character, family problems are involved, episode ends with a shot of the side character having changed something doing a one-liner.

Of course Flip Flap put its own spin on it.
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How long until Cocona notices that Yayaka is following her into PI with that implant in her arm?
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>>149633109
Hey, this episode also reminded me of FLCL.
But it was just the way the fighting parents were animated that made me think of it.
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>>149632803
I thought it would just be Papika trying lots of different personalities on.
Maybe the robots in the OP are all Papikas.
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>>149633126
>But it was just the way the fighting parents were animated that made me think of it
Me too, maybe flip flappers will be south park for some seconds too.
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Ms Steal Your Girl
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>>149633052
Senpais hair colour reminds me of what you get when you mix different colours of paint.
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>>149633173
I like to call that colour "green".
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>>149633017
I think it helps that the episode showed us some more about the "mechanics" of pure illusions. It advanced the plot, in a way, so it didn't feel like they took a break to do nothing but focus on someone we didn't know or care about for an entire episode. She was also kind of mysterious before, so there was already some amount of desire to learn more about her.

And also helps that each illusion has been fresh and interesting by itself. Every episode they explore somewhere with its own art style, rules, themes, emotions, and possibly creatures or characters. Really makes you eager to see what those things will be in the next episode.
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>>149633163
Papika looks hot with short hair.
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>>149633163
>tomboy Papika
>smug ojou-sama Papika
>cute lipstick Papika

So Cocona gets sucked into a dating VN and all the love interests are different versions of Papika?
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>>149633163
>boy hair
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Is flip flap the new evangelion?
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>>149633247
No.
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>>149633247
It's just a portfolio builder for 3hz. Something they can use to score the rights to LN adaptations and stuff. Eventually they'll find their Monogatari or Haruhi and run with it.
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>>149633201
Sure but it's not as vibrant as Coconas blue or Papikas orange/pink/red hair.
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>>149631095
Papikanish genes
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>>149633247
It's the Psychonauts of the Magical Girl genre.
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>>149632047
It's better than madoka. The reason you seem disingenuous and troll like is that rather than just stating what you don't like you attack people who do like it. That just makes it seem like you are trying to bait fans rather than make a serious worthwhile argument.
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>>149633204
I'm already disappointed that this isn't going to be the case.
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>implying a child would notice this
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>>149633384
Iroha loved the old woman, of course she would notice. And this is coming off of auntie not remembering about her birthday, so she had her guard up already.
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>>149633052
More fairytale references. In fact those have been pretty rare past episode 2.
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>>149633285
3Hz is playing the long game here, right? This seems to be their plan, not immediate BD sales. I hope so.
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>>149633482
Iroha loving her has nothing to do with a child's ability to recognize something that subtle let alone understand its significance.
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>>149633052
>Upper: tasty.
>Lower: poisonous.
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>>149633204
>VN parody

Surely that must be it. What was the title again, Pure Converter? If it were Pure Capture, that would've been a certainty.
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>>149633384
Notice what?
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>>149633554
Nobody said Iro understood what it meant, but I don't doubt she'd notice a shaking hand especially when the old woman was slowing down and seemed weaker than before.
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>>149633554
>Iroha loving her has nothing to do with a child's ability to recognize something that subtle
Yes it does. Attachment makes it easier to notice when a person is not acting like their usual self.
>let alone understand its significance.
Of course she didn't figure out the woman had Alzheimer's solely from that, but it helped her see something was off.

>>149633597
The old woman's hand was weak and trembling during that part.

>>149633595
Pure Component.
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>>149633552
Look at Actas. They had a huge hit in GuP and how did that turn out for them? Regalia delayed and Long Riders a quality-fest, also delayed. At least for original projects, 3hz is amazingly well-managed.
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>>149633600
>>149633625
>Attachment makes it easier to notice when a person is not acting like their usual self.
For a child? I don't think so.
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The iro thing to me seemed like a visual expression of how she dealt with her parents, iro means color and every time she was at home and sas she (papika or cocona) was blue and every time she was with baa-chan she was orange and happy. Then at the end they were both blue after she lost it.

I think the fact that there were two of them is less symbolic than the colors and more because they both went into tbe portal thing.
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>>149633384
How would the she not notice? They are holding hands.

She might not know what it means but it's obviously not something good.
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Give me all the yuyu butt yu have
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>>149633709
>a child would not notice when their parent figure start acting different from the usual in a negative way (forgetting things, seeming somewhat weaker physically)
sure thing, senpai
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>>149624394
FLIP IT THROUGH THE FLAP NIGGA
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The BDs are up for preorder on CDJapan and I hope you're ordering them
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>>149634041
I don't think any kid who is unfamiliar with what alzheimer's is would expect to be forgotten completely, sure they can probably sense something is off but the symptoms would be a big shock when nobody is there to explain it to them.
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>>149634212
>sure they can probably sense something is off
yeah, that was the whole point and what the conversation was about
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>>149634245
Oh, I popped in late and misunderstood.
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Do the episode names have any meaning to them?
I haven't been paying attention to them.
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>>149634210
I'm still too terrified it'll turn out bad. I'll order them when the show is over and good all the way through.
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>>149634556
I mean I won't be ordering them until after it's complete either but I can't see it going that bad. I could see underwhelming but not bad.
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>>149634661
Same, every episode has just been so solid. It's hard to think they could mess this up...but still.
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>>149632863
PPK and CCN did Inception on her. Made her get closure.
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>you will never have a Papika like Cocona does
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It happened, bros.

I cried.

I teared up like a fucking baby. Episode 6. this shit is legit.
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>>149634550
Music
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>>149634878
What a faggot
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>>149634550
They all could simply be taken from the button and socket labels of an ordinary stereo system.

I doubt there's any more meaning behind them.
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>>149635009
So you're saying, after Papika and Cocona completely match impedance, they're going to master bedroom?
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>>149634210
Cheaper on Amazon Japan, but it's a little more effort.
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>>149630393
>Pure Delusion
Admit it-- you're a fan. The fact that you put enough thought into this to make an appropriate pun at the end shows that FliFla has occupied your mind to a huge extent.

I think you wrote that whole spiel because you have doubts about that scene yourself, and honestly, yes, depending on your reading of the situation you could see it as an over-reaction, but you wanted us, your cohorts in the fanbase, to assuage them for you. To write a long spiel about how, even if a couple of points were badly or lazily conceived (which I don't agree with), this anime series still has more heart and artistry and care in execution than anything else this season, and depending on how it escalates from here, might end up being remembered as one of the best, most touching anime of the decade.
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>>149624148
May not be European. Hokkaido has somewhat similar architecture.
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>>149632743
>Age gap incest yuri
The most ultimate purest form of love.
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>>149632863
Good catch anon
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>>149635345
But thery're not blood-related....
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>>149635255
or maybe he was just baiting and decided to be fancy about it
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>>149632863
Made me chuckle>>149635378
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>>149635362
Well there goes my OTP.
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>>149635345
>yuri
Fuck off, this is familial love.
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>>149634878
You're not the only one, anon.
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>>149635577
>Hating yuri
>In a thread about a yuri anime
Are you lost, son?
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>>149635577
>familial love

see
>>149635362
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>>149634210
I am now, thanks.
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>>149624172
Iro never revisited IRL granny after the "who are you?" line.
CCN and PPK had to go through valley with the bridge, afterlife, to give closure to the whole thing
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>>149635625
Nice strawman, dipshit. Just because these two obviously aren't a yuri pairing doesn't mean I hate yuri or think there is none.
She's a parent figure, how could you possibly think there's yuri there? Kill yourself.
>>149635634
You too.
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>>149634210
Eh, if you're going to buy all of them might as well wait for the Infinite box.

http://www.infinitedayo.jp/shop/ff001.html
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>>149624394
HE COMES
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>>149635708
I don't care about having the BDs, I just want to support the creators.
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This was kind of clever.

>Start of episode you can't read her whole signature
>End of episode it shows it again after revealing her name
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>>149634210
Already supporting them with my Crunchyroll subscription.
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>>149632047
>people here overrate this show like this is the next Madoka or something.
It's not the next Madoka, it's much better than Madoka.
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>>149635894
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>>149635896
This. Madoka was a bunch of anime cliches crammed together with a little edginess. FF has heart and art.
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>>149635846
Even if you don't care about the BDs, you should still purchase from Infinite because they directly handle production of the anime. Therefore almost all of your money goes straight to the production committee rather than a cut going to a regular retailer like Amazon or Neowing where CDJapan sources their disks.
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>>149635896
I really wish you wouldn't do that.

It tends to attract shitposting.
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>>149635993
I did not know that. Thanks anon.
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>>149635896
I mostly liked Madoka for the god-tier art, the twist were nice but the characters seemed really flat to me.
Madoka was basically what Yuru Yuri parodied with akarin
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>>149635255
He writes about how shit the writing is and how deluded the fanbase is on a weekly basis and characterises everyone posting in these threads as thinking flip flappers is a DEEP masterpiece of the likes not seen for decades.
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>>149636159
Isn't it the same autist who was triggered by yuri shipping before getting btfo by the director?
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>>149636105

>god-tier art

I totally agree.

The introductions and realms for the witches are easily some of best stuff I've seen. Never felt the same feelings for any other introduction or setting. I totally believe Flip Flap can recreate that great viewing experience. If it hasn't already and I'm just not aware of it because I haven't seen the complete series yet.
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>>149636105
>I mostly liked Madoka for the god-tier art
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>>149636018
There's definitely not an insignificant amount going to a retailer. By avoiding the retailer you eliminate the retailer chunk, the additional discount the production gives to retailers like Amazon, and almost all of the fulfillment cost.

This is also why the prices for Infinite are much higher than that of Amazon's x 6.

This chart is fairly outdated, but it does emphasize the large chunk that a 3rd party retailer gets from disk sales.
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>>149636198
I'm not sure. It might be why he is so obsessed with finding fault in the writing though seeing as the writer has given interviews indicating they like yuri. He always seemed to believe that since people are speculating about the way things work and drawing connections people are crediting the show with too much depth not realising that such speculation is commonplace for an original like this and that the deep masterpiece claim was a strawman with most people who actually like the show quite happily admitting to the story being simple.
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>>149635708
>>149635993
>>149636252
Sweet. Thanks, anon. I bookmarked the page and I'll preorder the BDs from Infinite if I like the show enough by the end.
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>that fucking episode

we Key now?
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I like Madoka and Flip Flappers.

I think it's refreshing that Flip Flappers is doing the Mahou Shoujo thing in a cognitive and cerebral way like Madoka did but avoids treading a lot of the same ground.

Actually maybe I'm crazy but FLFL reminds me more of Utena than Madoka.
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>>149636216
I didn't have the same "wow" effect like the first time with Madoka with Flappers, but the animation was consitantly great and i also love every other aspect i could think of.
In addition to this they experiment with different settings that all worked so far.
This might actually be my favourite show of all time if the 2nd half is just as good.
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>>149636105
Madoka had really good sound design too.
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>>149630698
And then Papika flies down on a hoverboard and carries her away in a triumphant callback to earlier in the series.
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>>149636382
It follows the more old-school mahou shoujo rather than the battle royal plot twists the newer ones tend to be. The idea that compassion and friendship saved the day is a pillar of mahou shoujo.
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>>149636382
>FLFL reminds me more of Utena than Madoka.
Actually FLFL reminds me more of FLCL.
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>>149636465
The last cut is a of a blue Shard of Mimi falling off from the hoverboard and then fade to black.
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>>149636382
I don't really think its all that valid as a comparison. Madoka was a mahou shoujo show through and through. Mahou shoujo in this is like a secondary element at best.
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I cried like a fucking child at the newest episode. And even ignoring that everything from today's Pure Illusion was fucking incredible. I don't want to keep bouncing on this shows dick like a whore, but dammit guys it's so good.
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>>149636382
Actually, yeah, I take back most of what I said about Madoka. Madoka really seems to have popularized the use of contrasting art styles for effect in popular anime, and at the time that alone was enough to make it amazing to me.
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>>149635846
Then buy from infinitedayo.jp.
Looks like they're a part of the production committee so all your yens will go directly to the creators.
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>>149636690
Madoka was mainly good because what it did was interesting and unexpected for its time. It probably won't age as well.

FF just seems to hit all the right notes. It seems to have a timeless quality to it.
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>>149636382
I really love both and it always makes me sad to see people comparing apples to oranges and saying one is better than the other. The two shows have very little in common anyway so I just don't really get comparing them.

I don't like how a lot of people seem to think you can't like two things because they like one thing better, so everything else they think is somewhat similar must be garbage. Maybe I'm just a faggot but I enjoy pretty much all mahou shoujo.
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>>149636757
Do they ship internationally?
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>>149625885
She's accounting for inflation. What a good granny
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The only thing this show has in common with Madoka is that it uses the Mahou Shoujo storyline in an alternative way. And I think both are great. Madoka was obviously more edgy because it needed to be, and if some people think it's the "best anime ever" just because of that, doesn't make it only about that.
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>>149636777
Yeah, you're right, why the fuck are we doing this again?
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>>149636775
Yeah Madoka is still a very good show but the initial reaction it had will be lost pretty soon. Rip-offs are already airing so in a few years the reaction will be "oh, so madoka started this?" instead of "wow that was totally unexpected!"
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>>149636777
I don't really see anyone taking that stance that one is shit and the other is good. Some people are comparing them and saying they like one better than the other though. It doesn't seem to be the kind of conversation your post implies at all.
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>>149636518
>It follows the more old-school mahou shoujo rather than the battle royal plot twists the newer ones tend to be.
>battle royal plot twists
I only remember Madoka and Ikusei Keikaku following the battle royale plot twist thing among mahou shoujo, that and WIXOSS which isn't technically mahou shoujo. Even Gen'ei wo Kakeru Shoujo as dark as it was didn't have any infighting between magical girls except that one time when one of them was possessed by an enemy.
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>>149636846
Kind of sad actually that if someone happens upon a good way to tell a story, it'll get imitated so hard it loses what was special about it.
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>>149636898
There's a bit of it, but for the most part you're right, which is surprising.
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What was today's new art reference? Have we even gotten a new one past episode 2?
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>>149636943
It's easy to imitate plot elements and character designs, not so easy to imitate good directing. The truly great classics are still enjoyed today despite numerous copycats because they stand out for being executed really well.
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I don't know which member of the cyborg kuklux clan designed this battle outfits, but I'm pretty sure I would get along with him
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>>149636939
>and WIXOSS which isn't technically mahou shoujo.
Why not?
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>>149637007
Would you let Yuyu give you a handjob with her left hand?
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>>149637038
>activities with Yuyu that don't involve her butt
no
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>>149635708
>63k
I want to support this but damn BD's are expensive
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>>149636943
It's only natural in art, we can only hope the new ideas madoka created will be used in other good shows.
The team behind it is probably proud that they made this new kidn of magical girl show popular.
It's sad that the initial reaction will be lost soon but that the case with most things that were the first of it's kind
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>>149636518
Pretty much. Beautiful girls with the power of friendship are saving everyone's smiles.
>>149636651
This episode alone was more mahou shoujo than whole Madoka.
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>>149637038
Only if she lets me play with her ass later
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>>149637038
>handjob
That hand is for prostate massages.
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>>149637117
I agree. I actually think FF owes a lot to Madoka, and not just for popularizing the genre.
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>>149636796
I honestly have no idea.
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>>149636777
>Magical girl show where they enter parallel worlds (possibly, in Flip Flappers' case) made by other people to collect jewel-like objects
>Abstract symbolism and dark undertones
>There also might be lesbians
It's pretty obvious why people are comparing them even if the goal of each show is different. And people aren't trashing the shows either, I'd wager most people watching Flip Flappers regard Madoka quite highly.
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>>149636796
Even if you don't you can just use Big in Japan or some other easy service to pick it up and mail it to you.
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>>149636518
>>149636939
Eh, Madoka doesn't really go battle royale, it just has two prominent dark magical girls and a paladin who falls. The enemies are still the witches, kyubey, and the system.
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>>149637166
>might
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>>149637166
You could just as easily say the basic plot is close to Houkago no Pleiades.
>they travel to parallel worlds
>they travel to planets, the moon and the sun
>they pick up fragments
>they pick up fragments
>rival gang which competes to capture the fragments
>rival mahou shounen who competes to capture the fragments
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>>149637118
Nah this show feels more about going on adventures with incidental magical girl transformations to justify cool fights. Madoka was just a different take on mahou shoujo.
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>>149636690
>Madoka really seems to have popularized the use of contrasting art styles for effect in popular anime

No it didn't, Higurashi did that.
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>>149637720
wut
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>>149637166
I liked madoka.
I guess the main difference more me is that the DEPTH stuff was way more in your face in madoka wheras in FLFL each pure illusion is not only different in general symbolism but way different in tone, so it's enjoyable even if you aren't thinking about the underlayer. When they fight the witches after episode three in madoka it's always "this is dangerous and weird" whereas even though the fun times is slowly degrading the episodes still feel completely different, but not totally disjointed.

The last two episodes were both more serious but were still completely different vibes and they nailed both of them.
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>>149637118
>This episode alone was more mahou shoujo than whole Madoka.

I disagree. Thus far the magical girl stuff in this has actually been pretty secondary to everything else, while Madoka was still a mahou shoujo at its core.

Which is for the best if you ask me, because otherwise I don't think we could have had episodes 5 and 6.
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>>149637760
I think the most impressive thing about FF is that when it does a genre thing, it nails that genre on its own terms. When it's doing action it's rad, when it's doing horror it's scary, when it's doing a tearjerker it's sad.

Most of these genre hopper shows only manage to point out that genres exists and have tropes, at best you get something like Excel Saga that is consistent in making fun of them. But FF is consistently executing them actually well.
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>>149637856
What other genre blend shows did we even have recently? Luluco, but that, while good, only pointed out that all Trigger shows are kinda the same anyway.
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>>149638036
Death Parade touched quite a few different genres.
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>>149638149
Death Parade had a lot of different settings, but the genre was always drama.
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>>149638036
Space Dandy I would think, though I have only seen a few episodes at random of that.
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>>149638036
Space Dandy is obvious, although it isn't as consistently good as FLFL it's has some amazing episodes with completely different feels to them.
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>>149638285
Some episodes were more romance or comedy than drama.
The setting and scenario were mostly the same but I think it did a great job feeling different every time. The bowling game was nothing like the darts which was nothing like twister which was nothing like the ice skating.
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Why was Iro switching between first and third person when she spoke? What was the point of that?
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>>149638543
Why are you using a name and a trip when it's not necessary for us to know who you are? What's the point of that?
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>>149638462
Yeah Space Dandy is generally more like Excel Saga, with a handful of exceptional episodes.
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Is anybody else bothered by how strange and alike the magical girls' names are? I'm not sure if it's supposed to indicate something or if I'm going mad.

The KKK group belonging in repetition doesn't help.
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>>149638543
Young girls refer to themselves in third person a lot in Japanese, the only time it was particularly meaningful was when she was talking to herself, mostly just to show how she was coping.
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>>149638744
You are overthinking this.
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You remember when people were sperging out about not getting an explanation for the Nausicaa worm things after Episode 1 and they wouldn't have it when people were telling them it was irrelevant?
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>>149638683
Why are you responding to him when you're giving him the attention he wants? What's the point of that?
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>>149638900
That kind of person would not stick around for six episodes
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>>149638955
Touche.
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>>149638744

The 3 syllables thing is nothing unusual for an anime name, but I like the theory that repeating syllable names have something to do with Asclepius. Which makes Cocona an (unwitting) Asclepius plant. Her arm thing's gonna come into play at some point.
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>>149638744
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Newtype poster scan when?
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Pocky day
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>>149639139
Isn't there a new interview in there with the VAs for Papika and Cocona again?
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>>149639139
This looks deliciously lewd.
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By the way, after episode 7, Unico wasn't writing for Flip Flappers and doesn't even know what happens.

https://twitter.com/unicococ/status/797071053650468864

>inb4 the new writer sucks balls
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>>149636775
I think Madoka ages well. I personally rewatch it quite a lot, and people are still discovering it.

If I really was pressed to name something Madoka has over Flip Flappers, I'd say those really tense inter-character moments that are Urobuchi's strength, where one character's worldview is clashing with another's in some big-picture way. That was one of my favourite things about Madoka. If you pair up any two of all five of the main girls, each pairing has their own unique relationship. (I mean, the obvious exception being Mami/Kyouko).
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>>149639404
Why do they do this? Get a new writer halfway through the series with the first one not even knowing what's going to happen? It shows that there's no coherent vision for the show.
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>>149639404
Oh damn I didn't know she wrote BroHood FFXV as well.

I guess that explains why that was surprisingly good then.
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>>149639404
>Unico wasn't writing for Flip Flappers
Do we know who is?
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>>149639404
Oh for fuck's sake. This is usually a really bad sign.
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>>149639431
I also rewatch Madoka pretty regularly. I'm not sure the clashing is something that can be considered better than Flip Flappers, though, because FF is actively eschewing it. The core concept is the way we each live within a unique universe, and exploring how we overcome that innate separation to understand each other better.
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>>149639404
>yfw episode 8 starts with a 15-minute infodump that explains everything
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>>149637166
>dark undertones
See, that’s where the comparison already fails. There is nothing under about the dark tones in Madoka. Subtlety isn’t something the butcher can do very well. It mostly doesn’t matter in the kinds of shows he writes, this isn’t criticism of Madoka, but it’s not subtle at all. Flip Flappers is.

So in the end you’re left with symbolism of a very different nature than Shaft’s “let’s cram everything onto the screen we can find until we have to air the episode” and magical girls who interact with other magical girls and collect magical things. Oh so unique.
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>>149639404
I guess it doesn't matter that much considering the episodic nature of the show.
As long as the director has a clear picture of where the overarching plot is going.

>It shows that there's no coherent vision for the show.
Not necessarily true, the director could have that coherent vision and not told everything to the first writer. That wouldn't cause much problem since relatively few things have been revealed.
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>>149639404
>最終回まで構成切って、途中の話も進めてたし1本は決定稿まで見守ったんですが7話以降は本当に分かりません。
>I made up the final round until the final round and I was also progressing the talks on the way and I watched until the final draft but I do not really understand after seventh episode.
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>>149639466
That's not necessarily true. If the director has a vision for it they can give the new writers some ideas.

But yeah typically this is really fucking bad. Unless the new writer really studies the story and has some indication of where it was headed, we just don't know.
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>>149639404
It seems odd to credit Yuniko with series composition if they don't know how the whole series goes. I think either they are misrepresenting the truth or you are mistranslating it accidentally or on purpose. I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't writing the actual episode scripts after 7 though.
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>>149639502
Oh for sure. It's just something that's absent, not something that's lacking. Aria didn't have the best mecha battles either.
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>>149638462
Space Dandy's highs were some of the best television I've seen in ages.

>>149639513
>yfw it's like Key the Metal Idol, with an hour and a half infodump that's still confusing as shit.
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>>149639527
It does matter when he adds a dark twist to already dark genres. I hated Psycho-Pass because that was just grimdark: the grimdarkening without any sort of contrast at all.
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>>149639577
Yeah, this is my thinking. Series composition typically means like storyboarding and big picture. Moreover, you no good writer would begin a story without having an idea how it ends. It's possible she just means that the new writer will have the license to change her ideas and in that sense she doesn't know what will happen.
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>>149639599
>Key the Metal Idol
That infodump was hard to sit through.
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>>149639551
What does it mean? That the writer contributed to the final draft of the show, but not after episode 7? Or that the writer find episode 7 confusing?
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>>149639404
Oh boy, we Kaiba now.
>AOTY first 7 episodes
>the rest is shit
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>>149638744
She was called Papikana in one episode.
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>>149639616
It was a well executed grmidark the grimdarkening, but yeah, I see the point. Subtlety wouldn’t fix that though, trying to write something fun for once would.
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>>149639658
It sounds like she kind of knows how the show is going to end up, but there's a jarring transition between the first 7 episodes and the last 6 that she doesn't really understand.
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>>149639691
Na can just be used for emphasis. Don't assume that CR translators know more than us.
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>>149639717
>even the writer of the show doesn't understand it anymore

Is she the ultimate shitposter?
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>>149639701
>trying to write something fun for once would

Thunderbolt Fantasy is super fucking fun while still having his signature character ideas, he nailed that one for sure.
Exiled from Paradise is also very good.
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>>149639735
I I thought I heard it not read it, alright then.
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>>149639599
To be fair Key the Metal Idol was confusing as fuck before the infodump episode. They should have just mixed the exposition throughout the show instead of saving it for the second-last episode.
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>jarring transition between the first 7 episodes and the last 6
Told you that's when the flip will flap.
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>>149639762
He likes the trashy kind of fun, of course, but introducing that in something like Psycho Pass is the road that leads to season two.
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>>149639466
>>149639688
>>149639658
You guys know Yuniko hasn't even written all of the episodes so far right?

Ayumi Sekine wrote episode 4.

More than likely Yuniko composed the whole series but only wrote episodes 1, 2, 3, 5, 6 and 7.

It really isn't uncommon for this to happen either. It is most common in fact that several people write the scripts.
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>>149639779
I still laugh because the first 13 episodes were relatively normal, if confusing, with lots of stuff happening. Then episode 14 was movie length and just a guy talking the entire time.
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>>149639820
They gave episode 4 to someone who would make it even more gay than Yuniko. It really depends on who's writing after episode 7.
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>every episode continues to be episodic and fun
>last episode has the KKK suddenly step in, fuck everything up, and leave the viewer with tons of questions
>suddenly, season 2 announcement
>season 2 is a retelling of the show entirely from yayaka's point of view
I think this is the best possible outcome
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>>149639820
It’s not all that uncommon when the writer is heavily involved in the creation of the show. Yoshino for example even wrote all episodes for 2 cour shows like Mai Hime, and is probably going to write everything for Izetta too.
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>>149639820
it's just troubling to hear because the scripts so far were the thing that make this show so good

i mean pablo backgrounds and cool animation is fine, but the scripts really do elevate it to something special
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>>149639688
>AOTY first 7 episodes
nah, not even top 3 this season
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>>149639926

> yayaka's point of view

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm29877773
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm30020683
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>>149639902
>>149639956
>>149639902
Could be multiple people, it really isn't surprising though Yoji Enokido didn't write all of Utena's individual episodes Kazuki Nakashima didn't write all of TTGL or KLK's episodes. Something like Urobuchi writing all of Madoka's episodes is more of an exception that anything.

Most commonly the person with series composition credit writes the bulk of episodes and then other people fill in the rest.
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>>149640039
> yayaka's point of view

https://comfy.moe/fsntnh.webm
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>>149640043
Those are two cour shows though, three for Utena. It’s a lot harder for a single person to churn all those out than it is for a simple single cour show, especially one that had a production as insanely long as Flip Flapper’s.
And even then, those writers always returned for the final episodes and were regulars throughout the run. Also you’re plain wrong about KLK, Kazuki was credited for the script in every single episode.

A writer abandoning a show that they came up with the concept for just doesn’t make sense and does NOT happen very often, if at all. What if the second half is written by Oshiyama himself? That’s about the only thing that would make sense to me.
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I'm cautiously optimistic about the future of Flip Flappers. It hasn't had a single flaw so far and it seems like everyone involved in the show's production is committed to making it as good as possible.
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>>149639688
>this meme again
I wish I could kill you
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>>149640237
>It hasn't had a single flaw so far
I would say the very sudden transitions are a flaw likely caused by being short on time and money considering it is an original. The transformation in the latest episode being a good example.
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>>149640199
But the original story is credited by "Pure Illusionist" which would imply several people work on the same story.
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>>149640199
>abandoning a show they come up with the concept for
Where are you getting any of that from?

>>149640199
You have no idea what you are talking about. The majority of shows have someone credited with series composition and then multiple scriptwriters for individual episodes with the series composer writing the majority of those episodes.

Apologies if that doesn't fit into your narrative though.
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>>149640351
No.
The sudden transitions are great, get outta here.
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>>149640357
No, that’s the name for their production committee. Story concept is Yuniko and Yuniko alone.
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>>149640199
That tweet sounded a little sad, like the decision was out of her hands.

If you ask me, it's possible that the original ending didn't do the series justice and the director made the difficult choice of taking it in a different direction in spite of the original writer's wishes.

You know, kind of like I wish directors would do with Mari Okada.
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>>149640404
No, the name of the production committee is FliFla project.
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>>149640335
Yeah stop kidding yourself. Kaiba's last 5 episodes were shit. Except that flashback episode which was pretty nice but aside from that the plot went full retard.
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>>149640379
>Where are you getting any of that from?
From the credits, silly.

>The majority of shows
The majority of shows are not original anime and even then not original anime the writer came up with.
In the cases where the writer did come up with the show and still doesn’t write the whole show, it’s mostly due to time constraints. Sticking to the examples already mentioned, you can see Enokido and Nakashima write small chunks of episodes and leaving less important ones to other writers. They always return for the finale.
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This show always makes me dokidoki suru. Hope I won't die heart attack in the middle.
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The latest episode was well done, in my opinion.
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>>149640381
I agree. I wish the show had more episodes to show us the kind of PIs that we only got stills for, but so far everything that we have been shown in favor of quick transitions were new things.

For example SOL scenes at Flip Flap, information about how Cocona and Papika transform and in the last episode we see how the Flappers are much more coordinated in their fights now. Splitting up, using new weapons. Nothing of real value would have come out of showing us their entrance into PI and finding the "boss" again and instead they spent the screen time on scenes that advance the plot, show character progression and deepen the mystery.

Just like this scene. There's no way Cocona from episode 1 would have laughed openly with Papika like that, especially not after getting robbed by Yayaka again. It shows to me that Cocona has no reason to care about the crystals other than that Papika wants to collect them. She already said as much to Yayaka, but here we see it in action.
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>>149640404
>Story concept is Yuniko and Yuniko alone.
I wonder how much of that is true.
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>>149640553
BROTHER
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>>149640404
Wrong.
http://flipflappers.com/sp/staff_cast/
原作:ピュア・イリュージョニスト
Sorry.
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>>149640476
Oh, true, I mixed that one up. So I guess they mean the individual episodes with story concept, as in she came up with the different worlds and episodic shenanigans? That strikes me as odd since I’d presume that to be what Oshiyama would push for.
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>>149640553
I really enjoyed it even if I am going through Papika withdrawal. I felt like an idiot for not connecting Iro with senpai until the end though.
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Soundtrack when?
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>>149640635
Where are you even getting story concept as a credit from? All I've seen is composition and script.
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>>149640751
It’s in every episode.
>>149640524
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>>149640751
see>>149640524
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>>149640690
>I felt like an idiot for not connecting Iro with senpai until the end though.
I feel like it was very obvious, but maybe that's because I've been waiting for that Senpai centric episode since ep 1.
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>yfw the ending had to be changed because the show was originally supposed to be two-cour
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>>149640598
It's not true. "Story composition" is basically dividing the original story into episodic chunks and what gets revealed when, and stuff like that.
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Are there high quality versions of Senpai's paintings anywhere?
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>>149640800
I was more fixated on the granny and "switching" to really think about who Iro was. I guess I assumed it was one of their memories that was triggered by senpai's art/nails rather than actually senpai's memories.
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>>149640780
What does it say on ep4?
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>>149639173
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You wouldn't flip a flap.
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>>149640417
A director has every right to override decisions by the writer. It’s not necessary to replace her unless she severely underperformed or there was bad blood, which I highly doubt. Replacing someone during the production should be pretty much impossible, but who knows with shows as long in production as Flip Flappers.

The more I think about it, the more I expect Kiyotaka to be writing now. He’s suspiciously absent for a show that can afford the character designer to blow everyone else away with sakuga every episode. Either that or he’s doing episodes 10-13 himself.

>>149641074
The same.
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>>149640690
I was confused until the end because I really thought Iroha's baa-chan was Cocona's grandma pre-wheelchair
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>>149641126
I would flap a flip.
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>>149641178
Get out
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>>149641140
It looks like that's the equivalent of the series composition credit for this show because there isn't a separate credit for that either that and he just came up with the concept and wrote some episodes and was never in charge of the overall thing. Which makes more sense to be honest if they say they don't know what happens after 7.
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Why are you guys freaking out about a change in scriptwriter? Just a few weeks ago you were saying the writing was the only weak thing about the show.
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>>149641162
That certainly didn't help but I was 50/50 on that until she started having trouble walking. Although certainly not a unique problem it tilted the scales in the wrong direction for me.

Oh well, maybe it was better that way since the ending with senpai showing off her nails really surprised me. It answered my questions for a whole 5 seconds before I wondered if they changed the past, or her memories.
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>7話は関根さんが一緒に見てくれる予定なんだけど笑、きんモザ…きんモザ一人で行けるかな…みんなで観るから大丈夫か…?
Here is another twit. Fortunately, it doesn't feel like there are some conflicts in it.
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>>149641340
The only people who called the writing bad were ones who are too used to spoonfeeding, live commentary and exposition dumps. Thankfully most of them left by now.
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>>149641340
It makes things less cohesive.

Example: We're waiting to find out what the shards are for and why Salt is collecting them? Obviously the writer had something in mind for where she was headed with that part of the story.

Now, we'll find out how the story itself ends according to someone else, but we'll never know how it was originally intended to end, or what secret the original writer was keeping under wraps.

Worst case scenario is that a bunch of loose ends don't get tied up. Think Psycho-Pass or WIXOSS.
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>>149641416
>I wondered if they changed the past, or her memories.
I don't think they changed either, I think she just came to terms with it.
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>>149641468
>Psycho-Pass
Second season is Naruto-tier filler anyway.
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>>149641340
>Why are you guys
GIRLS*
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Great episode. Just... great. I can't believe how well they continue to execute a random genre. 5 > 6 = 3 > 1 > 2 = 4.

What I got from this episode is that PapiCoco unknowingly changed Senpai's past. Iroha had run away from Obaachan and never reconciled with her, but now it had been rewritten that she returned and told Obaachan her name.

Is that the true secret of Pure Illusion? That you can tamper with time and mind? Episode 1 and 2 seem to fit with this revelation. Episode 1 was Cocona's cold lonely world where Papika helped her literally "break the ice" and the two got acquaintanced. Episode 2 was Uexkull's Alice in Wonderland. He's a frightful little rabbit whose fears included a variety of mortal dangers and caging and strangers like Papika, and his ego's coping mechanism is to envision himself as a muscular man. Papika saved him and his master from danger, that's why at the end he stopped fearing and became comfortable with Papika.

3 and 5 PIs belong to other random people I guess, and was only meant to show adventures.
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>>149641264
I’m not sure I’ve seen that credit used like that before. Not that it’s impossible given how inconsistent anime credits tend to be, but it seems odd to me to give series composition to the writer in charge of the episodic part of the story, i.e. the one who has almost nothing to do with what series composition does in the first place.
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>>149641565
Nope, they just fixed her trauma
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>>149641486
I kind of lumped that in with changing her memories but I suppose feelings should be their own categories. It has a lot less implications than the other two which might be a good thing. Although I can't help but feel that accessing those gates is the real goal of Salt/KKK.
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>>149625540
>>149628930
It's the fucking ED of the year. Where's the flac rip?

Flip Flac
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>>149641604
Flip Flap Flac Rip
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>>149641580
Nobody argued that. We don't know whether the past had actually changed, or they just altered her memories. Either scenario results in her trauma being fixed, so not sure what your "nope" is directed at.
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>>149641468
Nah, as it turns out series composition was never Yuniko's credit anywhere on the show. It was Story Concept as in he came up with idea. So they were probably writing to someone elses plan the whole time. It doesn't really mean much for cohesiveness.
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>>149641666
Neither, they helped her come to grips with it.
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>>149641486
One theory is that CCN/PPK go into people's dream and fix people's mental issues through psychotherapy.
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>>149641684
That's a valid way to interpret too, but not proven.
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>>149641758
ok
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>>149641707
The dream part was quite distinct from the usual PI, so I guess it was a one time thing.
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>>149641684
Well, to be fair: We don't know for sure if it's any of these scenarios. All we know is that it got fixed in the end.

It's just best to assume that they just fix the trauma because anything else is opening a huge can of worms for no particular benefit. Changing memories is invasive and can come across as really creepy, and literally changing the past opens up all plotholes of all time travel stories ever. It's just the safest bet to go with the first option if it's sufficient, both as a writer and a viewer.
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>>149641758
Not him but it seems mostly likely to me out of any of those.
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>>149641772
I don't know if it will be one time, but I do think it's the first time. Which makes me wonder what the amorphous actually are.
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>>149641772
I very much doubt it was a one-time thing. The entire KKK team and Bu-chan reacted to the gateway with a warning of danger. At the very least we should get an explanation about what they did in there.
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>>149641565
The final event will be about fixing Cocona's mysterious regret about the girl on the boat.

Maybe she accidentally murdered that girl or it was a friend dying from a disease.
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>>149641826
I don't think it'll take the time to fully explain it. This show doesn't have time for exposition, and I love it for that.
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>>149641576
Yeah I don't think he did Series Composition at all now I think it is just a mistranslation on ANN. It seems mostly likely that they just came up with the initial idea and then the whole creative team ran with it to plan out the show if Yuniko says they don't really get or know what happens after episode 7 when they stopped writing.
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>>149641876
I don’t even think she came up with the whole concept, they’d put that into the opening, I think. It’s in the ED credit, so she probably made all the silly adventures.
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>>149641788
It's also the simplest. Occam's Razor applies.
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>>149641920
I bet you shave your pussy with Occam's Razor
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>>149641916
It could just be like the kernel of the idea, two magical girls with yuri relationship go on adventures to collect fragments in odd looking alternate realities.
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>>149641995
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>>149641920
>Occam's Razor applies
Had Einstein posited his theories before we had the technical capability to verify them, Occam's Razor would say Newton was right and Einstein was wrong just because Newton's laws of motion are easier to understand by morons. This proves conclusively that Occam a shit.
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>>149641997
At least let it die first. Let's not treat this like a general
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>>149641979
That’s 原作 though. And already in the OP credit as Pure Ilusionist, which Yuniko could (or even should?) very well be a part of.
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>>149642038
We're obviously not done talking about it yet anon.
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>>149642081
So start a thread when this one dies. Don't encourage it to behave like a general. That's how you attract tripfags
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>>149642107
Calm the fuck down
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>>149642125
I'm pretty calm bro, I'm just trying to avoid letting these threads actually become Madoka 2.0
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>>149642065
I thought maybe it could be acknowledging that the initial idea was theirs but it was changed from that to make it something more than just as simple as that for example. Like a special acknowledgement of their involvement but not a full credit, given the non-standard uncommon nature of the credit it seemed plausible.
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>>149642125
He has a point. We should have no tolerance for generalfaggotry.
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>>149642158
That's not going to happen until the show has been done airing for 5 years and people are no longer discussing / speculating about it.
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>>149642125
He's right, tho.
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>>149642160
It’s possible, I guess. We’ll if she’s still in the credits for episode 8.
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>>149642184
People still try to discuss Madoka. New viewers show up, and even old viewers find new meaning in rewatching it. The threads still suck, because it only takes a couple of dedicated posters to ruin them.
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>>149642229
Yeah, like the 原作 credit goes to Pure Illusionist because multiple people took his initial idea and altered it into what we see now by a lot such that it couldn't be just Yuniko's idea but they wanted to acknowledge a significant role in coming up with the initial idea or something. We will see.
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>>149642233
I don't really notice because I have a filter collection. It does seem like Madoka threads stop bumping a little too fast though.
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>170 IPs
It's not common.
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>>149625096
>egg
so, papika and cocona eat a develop embryo of kiwi?
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>>149642507
We got a new episode yesterday. It's fine.
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>>149642534
It wasn't going to live anyways. Kiwi's need human help in order to keep multiplying.
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Have you ever flipped so hard you flapped?
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>>149642604
Real Kiwis aren't almost 3 feet tall.
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>>149643123
Maybe it was a Snipe?
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>>149643166
It's pretty clearly a giant kiwi due to how fuzzy it is.
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