HEVC

Ah, this meme again. No (You) for you, retard.

>>148583195
Fansub died.

>>148583195
Daiz died because of Daiz.

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Daiz achieved his life long dream of killing the fansubbing scene

>So, why aren't we on h265 yet?
Because it sucks.
>Most of my fucking TV/movie Rips are now in h265, at half the size for the same quality.
>same quality
Live-action encoders don't know shit about encoding.

>>148583195
Are you talking out of your ass?
There are plenty of HEVC encodes, even on nyaa.

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My tv doesnt support that codec, so no.

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>>148583373
They are reencodes though. I'll consider h265 adopted when BDrip groups encodes natively at h265. I would've liked to say fansub groups instead, but fansub is dead.

>>148583565
gg's Macross Delta releases prove that it better stay dead.

>>148583195
I don't know. Let's ask Daiz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20PwaJYcnuk

>>148583699
It's x264 you stupid fuck, and its shit quality comes from shit raws

>>148583782
I didn't say that's 265 and it's a lot shittier than what you normally get from streaming, so lol gg.

>>148583848
Oh, I see. My bad. gg's release made me puke, what the hell were they thinking. Tt ruined Delta for me, as if it didn't already managed to ruin itself anyway.

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Nvidia Pascal supports Main12 & Main10, not even Daizfaggot's idiocy can stop superior HEVC hardware decoding

>>148583195
Because hardware decoders for 8-bit were only just included with Intel Skylake and some of the newer GPUs. And not everyone has them yet.

Hell, 10-bit hardware decoding won't be a poplar thing until Kaby and Zen launch.

So you have to wait. It'll become more popular as people upgrade their potato pcs. But that'll take a while.

>>148586006
>Buying a 1060
Pants on fire retarded unless you were on an ancient and shitty 600 series card.

>>148583195
doesn't matter everything is 8bit anyways aka horriblesubs rip

4chan doesn't even support 265 webm or webp...

Thank you based Diaz.

Cause is an hella slow encoding and basically offer no relevant improvement from H264.

>>148583331
It actually makes a bit of sense for scene rippers since those never were on the hi10 bandwagon. I haven’t tested it, but that might just about make the difference for x265 to outdo x264 in their setting.

>>148588043
It’s called VP9, nigga.

now that KCP is dead what should I use instead?

>>148589303
mpv

>>148589342

what about lav filters megapack thing I've heard about?

>>148583195
Waiting for av1

>>148583565
There are quite a few hevc bdrip on u2 last time i check

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>>148583195
HEVC is a shit

It melts my cpu, drops frames and drains my battery

I downloaded Neon Genesis Evangelion in 1080p HEVC and I had to convert it while retaining the subtitles stream (thank you based ffmpeg) to h264 and downsample it to dvd resolution (who needs 1080p for a 90s anime?) to make it watchable

Now I can enjoy Evangelion again with melting my laptop or connecting the charger

Fuck you HEVC

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20PwaJYcnuk

Ask the man himself

>>148590039
>It melts my cpu,
>drops frames and drains my battery
How do you care about the latter two when your CPU is dead?

>who needs 1080p
Are you baiting?

>>148590165
>Are you baiting?
No

The original material isn't 1080p, what's the point of 1080p or 10bit color?

>>148590229
>The original material isn't 1080p
No, the original material is cel, which means its resolution depends on the scan.

>what's the point of 1080p
What?s the point of 240p?
Just make it 160p, at least that way you're not getting more than one pixel per millimeter. Best way to avoid bloat.

>>148589299
hevc is superior in most way if you to aim to retain same quality as you'd do with avc (plain old h264) but alas it's massively slower as of yet.

And it's slightly more costlier cpu/gpu-wise to decode and hardware playback (tvs, media boxes) is still rare.

But even my 300€ android phone can playback placebo 1080p hevc so I don't know what kind of ancient gear people are using.

True things like x265 or gpu stuff like nvenc don't yet have as much polish and so on and at times it can be 20-60% of the speed of your traditional x264 encode.

>>148590229
So bait it is, especially if you don't even know what's the benefit of 10bit over 8bit, regardless of your display/source.

And on the other questions, what's the point of 720p when studios are already moving to 900/960p? We should just stay assbackward as fuck and be contend with h264 in .avi via hacks.

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>>148590303

I've got the sephirotic rip. Apparently for Eva, which has alot of grain, 8bit aint even really needed to get rid of banding, as its got quant noise already.

It only needs 1080p for the topographical map that shows up everynow and then.

>>148590486
>I've got the sephirotic rip.
>which has alot of grain

The problem is with the rip IOW.

>>148590303
>>148590369
For newer material, use HEVC, 10bit, 4K, go crazy

But for older material like Neon Genesis Evangelion, which was created for TV broadcast, DVD resolution and 8bit colour is more than enough

It's not like there is more detail than a line thickness and DVD resolution is more enough to capture and display this detail

Anything else is overkill to make intel richer, no thanks

>>148583195
Because most people who watch chinese cartoons are, well, children, who don't have the mental capacity to understand the benefits of h265.

>using HEVC when issues like this still exist
>not fixed after nearly 1 year
https://bitbucket.org/multicoreware/x265/issues/214/ghosting-artefacts-even-with-low-crf-when

>>148590557
You are just repeating the same incorrect assumptions. Did you even read the posts you quoted?

>>148583195
>Wanting high quality, high processor dependent formats for chinese moving drawings

Wow, such a difference in quality too. Bet you're on a mac right now too.

>>148590557
Facebook tier bait.

At least say LD instead of DVD to show your respect for people here being jimmy-rustled.

>>148590611
Dumb frogposter.

>>148590303
>The original material is cel

yeah and you wouldn't believe the cost of installing the device that teleports the cels directly into my screen and incredible high speeds.

Fuck off you psuedo-intellectual dipshit.

>>148590664
>>148590672

I disagree with him on the Resolution, but 8 bit can reliably be done with such a source. 10 bit would be better of course.

>>148589303
>now that KCP is dead

source pls

>>148590756
Have you heard of this amazing new technology called "scanner"?
Apparently you can make digital versions of images and look at them on your computer.

>>148590369
Yes, it’s slow, so the minor difference really isn’t worth the additional time mostly.

Shitty warez encodes however operate at much lower bitrates where the difference between h264 and h265 is much bigger, and they care more about hardware compatibility than about the CPU power software decoding takes.

>>148590846
Kids consider software dead when it didn't get an update in 4 weeks.

>>148590932

Its my understanding it hasn't been updated in over a year

>>148591016
That doesn't make it dead.
It just means it didn't need an update in a year.

>>148583195
>What the hell happened?

People got tired of downloading shit that wouldn't play on half of their devices.

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>>148590672
Can you point one scene in Neon Genesis Evangelion that benefits from 1080p?

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>>148590756

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>>148591499
How about fucking all of them?

Not to mention series like Berserk, Slayers, Cowboy Bebop, LoGH, pretty much everything made before 2000 looks better in 1080p.

Do you not know what film is?

>>148590039
>It melts my cpu
this, literally 100° with x265

>>148591016
>Its my understanding it hasn't been updated in over a year

Maybe KCP is so perfect it doesn't need much patching anymore.

>>148583195

a lot of the TV raws in MPEG TS these days should be done in h265 HEVC!

>>148592063
>more grain = more quality

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>>148592063
You have a bad transfer, nothing wrong with the lower resolution

>h264 DVD resolution downsampled from shitty HEVC and overkill 1080p resolution

It looks good to me, no difference than 1080p

>>148583261
you say that but BDs still need encoding separate from horrible rips, so we still know how the scene looks just on a smaller scale

>>148592299
TV raws are captured from broadcast stream, you know? When broadcasting switches to H.265, you'll definitely have H.265 raws.

Not going to happen soon, though. Industry must have some jokers in the sleeve to make you buy latest and greatest devices each year.

>>148587927
Lack of hardware acceleration support did not stop fansubbers from going to 10bit H.264, so I don't see why it would be a problem for HEVC.


>>148590557
10bit encoding is beneficial even for material where the source is 8bit. 10bit allows for more errors without affecting the output, so the encoder can be more efficient.

>>148590664
With the right hardware (read: anything recent) it is actually less processor dependent than the currently used 10bit H.264.
All new GPUs from Intel, AMD and Nvidia can do HEVC decoding in hardware, while 10bit H.264 is done in software 99% of the time (for consumers).

>>148593529
>Lack of hardware acceleration support did not stop fansubbers from going to 10bit H.264, so I don't see why it would be a problem for HEVC.

Maybe they are finally listening to those of us who complained back then about not being able to play those files.

>>148593930
There's just not enough of them anymore. The power relationship has shifted.
If the current VLC-using crowd is dissatisfied with fansubs, they'll just go with horriblesubs or deadfish. They don't care.

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>>148590039
Perhaps if you didn't play them on a fucking toaster.

Takes 10x longer than conventional h264 encoding.

For maybe 10-20% better space savings.

>>148592595
The thing that's wrong with it is that there is less visible detail. Objectively.

Please kill yourself.

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>>148583261
Fansubs are still alive and well.

>>148587961
>ancient and shitty 600 series card.
>I'm on a 560ti

You're going to make me cry anon

>>148592063
Except much of LoGH was digitally remade and looks like shit.

>>148583195
>half the size for shitty artifacts everywhere.

Fixed that for you

>>148590535
The grain is on the original BD. It is other encoders who degrain; they are removing information

>>148583195

Is this the royal "we"?

Refine your search terms you muppet.

>There are people ITT who literally can't tell the difference between BDs of a cel series and DVDs of the same series
>Literal retards browse /a/

Think about this.

Live action is still being done in fucking avi with xvid

>>148597547
>they are removing information
stupid information

grain looks ugly

>>148595283
Latest x265 already provide better encoding time than x264 with some extreme encoding setting

>>148597695
When you take out that info, some "good" info goes with it because the filters aren't perfect

>>148597651
And rmvb

>>148583195
fansubs are becoming a thing of the past
its over

>>148597651
Why are live action encoders such dumbfucks? I guess part of it is live action doesn't feel sacred, it feels like just another shitty Hollywood turd. Although anime has begun to feel like that too now but at least we had a period of sacredness that honed people's expectations for good encoding

>>148597810
It isn't about fansubs, it's about CR sub rips

>>148597695
Are you in favor of scratching off somebody's skin because he's got freckles?

>>148597862
no anon, that part of my life is behind me ,
I stream now.

>>148598013
Oh so you're a cuck then

>>148590557
I think he's kinda right though, sure you can scan old film at how big you want (read somewhere that for 16mm film the acceptable limit was somewhere around 4k though)

But like he said, the real limit is the fineness of the tools used by the artist. All you're gonna see in 4k cels are the little holes in the line because the surface isn't uniform, or some useless detail like that.

For filmed movies it's different, but the limit here is the accuracy of the artist's tool... which even in 1080p is visibly inaccurate and except being a nicer encode than old DVDs and crisper for big resolutions (but you're watching them from a distance so you would very well do with 720p on FHD, or FHD on UHD, right?), not really more details most of the time.

>>148597819
For one, live action is inherently blurrier. The untrained eye can't see the difference in quality very easily.
For another, they don't have a community. They can't compare different releases and share the results with each other. The only thing that everybody can easily tell is that Yify's releases are nicely small.

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>>148595283
Not with the right hardware.

But you won't get that sweet 50% smaller h265 files with such aggressive encoding parameters though.

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>There are literally people here who have never seen a BD remaster of an old show
HELP

>>148590486
>didn't get my encrodes

>>148597695
>grain looks ugly
FUCK YOU

>>148598050
I mean, having encodes from a high res master is good like in >>148592063

But the point here is to have a crisper/cleaner image, which is achieved by the quality of the scan and encode, not by the final resolution, you could very well use 720 and your software upscale.

>>148598050
>I think he's kinda right though,
No, he isn't.
He could be right if the product he were talking about didn't look good at 1080p. But since it does, and since most of us have monitors exceeding 1080p anyway, he is first discarding valuable information and then replacing it with shitty extrapolation based on what little information he left.

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>>148598170
H E L P

>>148598013
>life

Good joke

>>148598220
So, can you point out informations lost in a downscale to 720 from 1080? Even 480 if you want.

I'm doubting there are such valuable tiny details.

I'm saying this but I still like to watch my bloated HD releases

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>>148598222
Yes, very help.

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>>148598170
>>148598222
I'm still waiting for it Mooniggers.

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>>148598330
How do you have a war in a pocket?

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Protip: You can't read this on the EoE DVD

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>>148598202
>you could very well use 720 and your software upscale.
720p is something very different from 480p. In fact I'd argue that a good 720p encode is all you'll ever need for normal watching purposes.

>>148598315
>So, can you point out informations lost in a downscale to 720 from 1080?
He downscaled down to 480p. Don't move the goalposts.
Pic related. You should however note that the source image was already lossy jpg, and that my downscale was less harmful to the file than the re-encode was.

>>148597154
Get yourself one of the billion 970s out there for $120-$150 and be happy. I'd wait for the 1080/1070 to drop a bit so that all the retarded 970 owners saturate the shit out of the used market.

>>148583195

>Most of my fucking TV/movie Rips are now in h265, at half the size for the same quality.

They are not. The scene is still using h264 and only the idiots who re-encode scene releases are using h.265 while you go on to say that's it's better quality which is impossible.

>>148598632
There are definite flaws in 720p in live action. Many scenes where stuff will look less detailed and indistinct. Would happen too for anime if most anime were produced at res higher than 720p.

But then I guess it depends on how far away your TV/monitor is. You're probably right if it's a TV with a couch a few feet away. But then I just watch shit on my PC monitor which is only like 1 foot away

>>148598632
Actually I'm not used to watch anime in clean 480 (usually it's old ugly DVD encode).

But all the screenshot I've seen from downscaled HD to 480 were nice enough.

>He downscaled down to 480p. Don't move the goalposts.

Yeah, I'd want to say same thing but you're right it's not really the same.

I'm zooming out your pic with the browser integrated function but don't see much loss except grain. I know grain is visual information merged with analog artefacts (if I can call them so) but most of them don't really bring new information that are really tangible, do they? I used to be autistic over them because muh more source information but that's just grainy. Though I like the feel of grain, so that's also a thing if you're a nostalgiafag.

>>148598753
3.5

>>148599303
>I'm zooming out your pic with the browser integrated function but don't see much loss except grain.
You need a new monitor. The left half of Rei is blurry as all fuck.

>I know grain is visual information
There is a big misunderstanding going on about this. Grain is not good, and no smart person defending grain over no-grain thinks grain is good.
Grain is like a seal. You see the grain, you know that the video wasn't steamrolled. There was no loss of other information. But again, it's not the grain that makes the difference in the image, it's the inevitable and obvious blur.

>>148599809
I know about grain. That's what I meant. Grain is like noise in digital cameras, artifact that would be better if absent. But it's inevitable on film and as you said it's proof that it was not filtered like shit.

But grain is visual information in itself since removing grain removes some details merged in it, I guess? Whether it is freckles or texture of the line.

>>148587961
EVGA SSC 650Ti still meets modern demands and can tolerate 85 degree operating temps for yearsFucking amazing card desu

>>148598753
3.5 wasn't a meme, anon. Turn your textures up, hit the wall, and its like Chrome trying to run from your page file on a 5200rpm drive.

>>148599303
The real problem is that the old SD TV/VCR/DVD releases look nothing like the masters.

Just compare the fucking G Gundam releases from before this year and the new BD. LITERALLY looks fucking remastered with new animation. The OP, animated on 1s, looks absolutely fucking incredible. GaoGaiGar is another example of severe detail squashing on old releases.

>ctrl+f daiz
>he hasn't showed up yet
Daiz please respond.

>>148600414
At this time of day, it is unlikely he will.

Also, it should be "hasn't shown up yet".

>>148600359
Yeah but I never defended DVD releases, they are shit.

The guy before was talking about downscaling from HD releases, which after thought seem not that destructive, provided you're not watching on a too little screen

But it's true that downscaling to 480p is quite a lot actually, 720 is enough like someone else said.

Whether you watch on a high density screen just in front of you, or on a low density TV far from you, you're not going to notice the details added by FHD-UHD, and you're not going to feel the blurriness of the upscale too.

>>148600508
Shit that's what I meant to type, preworkout fucked me up.

>>148600568
I hear there's a difference between 1080p and 720p

>>148583195
Because fansubbing is dead.
>>148583331
>the scene don't know shit about encoding.
ftfy
Plenty of people know what they're doing.
That said x265's low bitrate performance makes it more idiot proof than x264 so it's a net gain for everyone stuck watching scene releases.

>>148598107
>For another, they don't have a community. They can't compare different releases and share the results with each other
>yify
Am I being trolled? Just because you can't find it on piratebay doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Live action encoding is way bigger than anime.

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>>148597154
At least your 560ti is still getting updates

>>148583195
Daiz joined Fakku and stopped caring about it.
Without Daiz, everything stagnated.

>>148602243
That's more comparable to a 200 series.

>>148597810
Except for the fifty groups that sub old anime.

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>>148602374
At least the 200 series is still getting updates...

>>148589439
lav is included in mpc-hc

>>148602411
I think 400 series were having issues with windows 10. Really bad issues in fact. Cards were dying.

>>148583195
Not interested so kill yourself.
You only get to scream and bitch like this when you pay for stuff.

Even you don't, you get to suck on anything I offer you. If you don't like that, you are more than free to fuck off and never return.

>>148583195
fansubbing completely went away.

>>148603732

More like it escaped you, you dozy sod

>>148583195

Because I'm waiting till the R9 590Xs to come out. I'm on a GTX 780 right now, which doesn't support h265 nor 10-bit encode.

>>148605313
When in hell is that even going to happen? Even then it'll barely compete with the 10 series.

>>148583195
Daiz forsook us

>>148605645
Not yet! Don't give up, anon. Let's do this.

D

>>148607799
a

>>148607832
i

>>148607871
z

>>148605645
>>148607799
>>148607832
>>148607871
>>148607910
He truly is gone.

h265 10bit is now sure to take over the world.

>>148607799
>>148607832
>>148607871
>>148607910
That's not how it works.

This is how it works:
>Jacob's Bitch
>Fakku shill

>>148583195
because it kills my cheap toaster every time

>>148611953
Jesus, even sub standard phones can play hevc videos. What are you doing

>>148590039
wtf why didn't you just download the dvd release in the first place

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I hadn't opened up KCP in a while and noticed that I was dropping a ton of frames because W10 anniversary update fucked up my gpu preferences on my laptop.

Fixed the settings and updated my gpu drivers but I'm still dropping a couple of frames each minute. Anyone else have this problem?

Coincidentally my computer is suddenly being incredibly slow even with restarts. I used to have a lot of services disabled and other stuff optimized but I'm not sure which ones the update reverted. Fucking microsoft.

>>148583195
>at half the size for the same quality
No. 10-30% less. And trading up to 30% size for less compatibility is questionable tradeoff at best.
Bandwidth and disk space are dirt cheap nowadays.

>>148613469
W10 AU introduced a gradual memory leak on my machine, no idea why.

>>148613469
Turn off antiringing (it's not really necessary and can cause artifacts) and switch luma to Spline36 (3-tap).
You'll have to troubleshoot your laptop yourself, but that will bring the requirements for video way down.

>Wait for AV1
>Encode shit in AV1/Opus
Just wait.

>>148613749
Thanks, I'm a retard at configuration but I'll try it out tomorrow.

>>148613835
It really grinds my gears that vp9 and sound webms aren't on 4chan.
/gif/ and /wsg/ have managed some actual funny stuff (among 90% noise to be sure). There's a handful of boards that I'd really like to see the creativity they'd unleash with sound.

>>148613986
Be careful lads, I have a script that amplifies the volume of the last 5 seconds of a sound webm tenfold when that day comes.

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>>148613986
>tfw we have it on our shitty slav board

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I haven't seen Daiz post in ages.

Whatever happened to him?

For that matter whatever happened to Herkz, RHExcelion and the other commie shills?

Or even Jaka? Or even fucking Eien from FFF that used to post on DAL thread?

Did the entire cartel just straight out died along with fansubbing?

>>148598150
>nvidia nevc
That reminds me, I just got my new 1060, I will use this to see how fast it is.

>>148614162
>I haven't seen Daiz post in ages.
Pretty sure he was discussing encoding with his trip on earlier this month.

>For that matter whatever happened to Herkz, RHExcelion and the other commie shills?
Commie shills are still around. Herkz just looks in the archives for mentions of his name and then complains on twitter.

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>>148614239
>Herkz just looks in the archives for mentions of his name and then complains on twitter.

What the fuck

For what purpose? Who the fuck does this?

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>>148614306
He's a strange one, that's for sure.

>>148614368
>people won't just fawn over me because of my epeen, I mean "accountability"
Sounds like anonymous bbs working as intended.

>>148614306
Its Herkz, why are you surprised

How do we save fansubbing, /a/?

>>148615096
It's dead.

>>148615279
Can be resurrected?

>>148615334
No.

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>still downloading anime
>watching anime in any format other than flv/html5

>>148597144
Alive, maybe. Well? ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh

>>148615398
I add one line to my config file and my system automatically downloads new episodes.
Then I watch them when I want, how I want and where I want. DLNA via Plex, browser via Plex, or just vanilla simple share.
What's wrong with that?

>>148615398
>watching flv/html5 anime is not downloading

>>148614162
The cartel is dead and there are just a few zombies that pop up occasionally

>>148615345
>No.

What if we kill the Horriblesubs?

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>>148615398
>format
>html5

>>148615693
HS is not the only group doing rips.

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>>148615716

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>>148616042
DELET THIS

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>>148616231

>>148583309
>ctrl+f dai-
Oh, third post. All is right with the board.

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>>148616265
GETTING REAL SICK OF YOUR SHIT ANON

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>>148616364
They were from a long time ago. I'm just glad there's use for them again

>>148616391
Too bad no ghost blowjobs.

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>>148615716
>>148616042

Daiz said not til next year.

>>148590039
>specs are a 8 year-old, 100 watt TDP processor inside of a heat lamp

Perhaps consider an upgrade?

>>148616884
My decade old laptop still manages to play HEVC just fine, I don't know what the fuck he's doing.

>>148590369
>300€ android phone
That's no measure to judge a smartphone by.
If it's from some (good) Chinese manufacturer, that's probably iPhone/Nexus-tier. If it's not, you have made a point.

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>>148594972
I can't even get x264 working right on my laptop half the time. I went to torrents at /a/'s suggestion for a time, but I've mostly gone back to streaming because I find that I'm unable to play anything at a resolution higher than the streams.

Not everyone is a richfag like you.

>>148616929
What resolution? My C2D T7500 was a bit too weak for 1920x1080 h265.

>>148617450
>his toaster is so bad he can't save images larger than 100x100

>>148617594
Yeah 1080 but it does lag a bit in high-bitrate scenes.

>>148616929
>My decade old laptop still manages to play HEVC just fine
2006? So early mobile core 2 duo then.
Excuse me, but no way in hell it can handle h265@1080p.

>>148617450
Try CoreAVC.

>>148618849
I have to turn off literally every other program first but it's playable.

>>148619018
>CoreAVC
What is it, 2010?

>>148619312
Do you know another, modern solution for the weak CPU? Shoot.

>>148619422
LAV filters or mpv.

CoreAVC hasn't been updated for the last 5 years, stop recommending shit

>>148589299
4chan will only let you upload vp8 though.

>>148583195
Not worth the hassle since most anime episodes aren't that big to begin with and the quality tradeoff is much more noticeable than in live action shows.

>>148619557
>CoreAVC hasn't been updated for the last 5 years
So? I know for a fact that it can be used to play h264 video on extremely weak machines, like 720p on Pentium 4 or hi-bitrate 1080p on early Core 2 Duo without any hiccups.
What's changed?
>>148619495
>LAV
Ha-ha, no. Significantly more resource-hungry.
>mpv
I will look into it. I admit that I'm currently out of touch with modern decoding methods, especially something concerning low-end machines.
Looks like yet another shitty mplayer fork, though.

>>148620024
>Looks like yet another shitty mplayer fork, though.
Did you just wake from a fucking coma or something?

>>148620024
>Ha-ha, no. Significantly more resource-hungry.
That's simply not true, when I did comparison 2-3 years ago it was by far faster than CoreAVC.

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http://www.anandtech.com/show/10610/intel-announces-7th-gen-kaby-lake-14nm-plus-six-notebook-skus-desktop-coming-in-january/3

Why have you not joined the Intel Kaby Lake master race with HEVC Main10 hardware decoding, /a/?

>>148620270

Because both intel and amd, post core2 has built-in backdoor for TLA's. Fuck that shit.

woah, CoreAVC still exists?

i think daiz had a hand in that shit; he was pushing h264 so hard and getting people with older toasters to "just use coreavc, it's only $5 for a year license lol" but instead everybody just cracked it because lol no

>>148620087
Aware of the existence? Yes.
Actually used? No.
To recommend something I need to either check things personally on the weak machine or dig up some good tests.
I can't find any tests for mpv + old hardware right now. Maybe if I will dig a bit more...

I'm >>148615514

>>148620232
On the actual weak machine? What about dropped frames? Any stutters?
Well, that's interesting. Maybe I'm full of shit.
>>148620270
I have 4960X on my main desktop machine. Dated, but still acceptable. Why should I?

Daiz used to say a few years ago that the encoder for it is underdeveloped compared to H264's so it isn't worth using yet. Something to that effect anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AOMedia_Video_1

HEVC is dead, AV1 destroys it in compression & image quality

>>148620425
>Royalty free
take it away

Reminder that h.265 is deprecated proprietary trash and that AV1 will be much better and free

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AOMedia_Video_1

>>148602129
Reread the following:
>share the results with each other

>>148617450
Filtered.

>>148620562
That took you a long time.

>>148620388
The last show he subbed was this year's winter season I believe. He did it in H265 just so he could say that he encoded a show in H265, but he told others not to emulate him because it wasn't ready yet.

Damn, I'm hungry. I really need to convince myself to get up and fix myself some breakfast.

>>148620494
>out never
>current gen hardware encoding/decoding
it might be relevant in two years but it isn't right now

>>148620852
Take a look at the members
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_for_Open_Media

HW decoders will be released much quicker

>>148620847
Which show was it?

>>148620961
Ajin.

>>148613469

Update mac, made and xysubfilter

>>148621067
Lovely auto-correct. Mpc* and madvr*

>>148621248

Filthy mobileposter. Kill yourself.

>>148583195
>So, why aren't we on h265 yet?
Well Underwater (Daiz) has been releasing H.265 for nearly 10 months now.
http://underwater.nyaatorrents.org/?view=ajin-01
>Also, this release marks the switch from 10-bit H.264 to 10-bit H.265 here at Underwater, so make sure your playback setup is up to date in case you're having issues.

>went to rarbg to get kingsglaive
>xvid version exist
why

>>148620024
get on with the times.
coreavc is deprecated and lav is significantly faster.

>>148620270
>not waiting for zen the shit wrecker.

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>>148622709
>zen the shit wrecker

>>148622709
>this is what AMD apologists actually believe

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>This entire thread is more productive than some other /a/
>/tech/ discussion
mmm.

on the related note, GuP had HVEC rip, wasn't it?

Remember kids, buy Nvidia Pascal or future Nvidia Volta GPUs for Main12 hardware decoding in case Daizfaggot tries to screw you over with Main12 encodes

AYYMD does not support Main12 in their GPUs and barely supports Main10 as is

>>148623777
What's the cheapest card that got that?

>>148623777
Fansubs are dead, what's the point.
It's not like they'll force HS to release on some fancy codecs or something.

>>148624115
GTX 1050 Ti, official release week or so

http://videocardz.com/63813/asus-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-mini-pictured

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10325/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-and-1070-founders-edition-review/12

>Pascal, in turn, inherits GM206’s video decode block and makes some upgrades of its own. Relative to GM206, Pascal's decode block (Feature Set H) adds support for HEVC Main12 profile (12bit color) while also extending the maximum video resolution from 4K to 8K. This sets the stage for the current "endgame" scenario of full Rec. 2020 compatibility, which calls for wider still HDR courtesy of 12bit color, and of course 8K displays. Compared to GM204 and GM200 then, this gives Pascal a significant leg up in video decode capabilities and overall performance.

>buying a 1000 when they'll be obsolete by next year the same way the 900 meme line already is

nvidia have been getting scummy with their drivers, and plus there's supposed to be some kind of fancy new memory right on the horizon that AMD and Nvidia are both bragging about being 3x faster or something. only get a 1k line right now if your vidya card dies on you desu

>>148624210
THANK YOU BASED NVIDIA

>>148624293
>BUTTMAD AYYMDPOORFAGS DETECTED

>>148624210
>12 bit
What

>>148624419
1.5 bytes.

>>148624293
You realize that the jump from the 900 to 1000 was caused by the fact that we had a gigantic wait between them, right? Same shit won't happen with the 1100 series.

We may get a small bump from the usual tier drop/upgrade (1170 = 1080) due to memory being set for an upgrade but that's about it.

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>>148583195
https://bitbucket.org/multicoreware/x265/issues/214/ghosting-artefacts-even-with-low-crf-when
enjoy.

>>148624165
Hey, it has only been six months since Daiz put something out. He'll be back to enforce some sort of a new improvement of a format.

>>148625325
The last new format he tried to push on us was completely ignored.
The age of Daiz is over.

>>148625355
Wait, what did he try to push?

>>148625395
A manga naming scheme.

>>148625427
Actually, that's in use in some parts. Lots of Madokami uploads use it.

>>148625441
I haven't seen it. Care to give me an example?

>>148601208
Really though, what's there to know about encoding? Isn't it just a matter of executing 'ffmpeg -i bluray.mkv -c:v libx264 -preset veryslow -crf 16 -tune animation -c:a whatever encoded.mkv`
?

It's all Crunchy rips now and re-encoding them would be retarded.

>>148601208
You should probably read >>148590651

>>148624293
reminder: maxwell is legacy.

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>>148625926
>tune animation
not every chinese cartoon is like the simpsons.

>>148625926
There's slightly more to it than that. Choosing number of reference frames, deblocking, etc. Also filtering in AviSynth.

>>148623777
>>148624210
By buying Pascal you support hardware DRM on 4k video. Just sayin'

>>148626786
That only affects DRM protected video, it has no effect on non protected video, but you're too dumb and retarded to understand such a simple concept

>>148627041
>drm built into your hardware on top of already present backdoors and hardware-level rootkits
>paying for this

>>148627104
Come the fuck on. Nothing happened when intel put the kill switch or whatever the fuck post-sandy.

>>148620544
>They can't compare different releases and share the results with each other
What's BTN or HDB or PTP then?

>>148626604
>Choosing number of reference frames, deblocking, etc.
Isn't x264 better at analyzing this than an human could ever be?

>>148626510
Isn't x264 made by weebs anyway? I doubt that they wouldn't take animu into account.
Or are you saying that I shouldn't use this `tune` parameter? Should I be using something else instead?

>>148625958
Crunchyroll's video quality has been better than TV sources since before they even had 1080p streams, although this wasn't true of every series. (It still isn't true of every series now, and it's largely dependent on which company CR licenses the series from.)

If reencoding CR rips now is retarded, what of past groups reencoding transport streams? Or worse, reencodes of p2p raws, just to add shitty hardsubbed kfx?

>>148626604
Filtering is probably the only hard part about encoding, and that's only if you want to be super autismal about it. If not, you need only a handful of simple filters to get a reasonable encode.

>>148627531
--tune animation was actually tweaked for 3DCG, not 2D animation. It doesn't really matter whether you use it or not, though.

>>148627608
>Filtering is probably the only hard part about encoding, and that's only if you want to be super autismal about it.
Very true. Fucking scene filtering.

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>>148620494
You'd think that a group of people who violate copyrights as much as The Scene does would spring for open-source formats, but I guess there's a difference between breaking the law and being fundamentally opposed to it.

>>148627711
>>148627608
>Filtering is probably the only hard part about encoding

So what kind of filters are actually useful? I've seen some sharpening being used but that looks like garbage.

>>148628188

awarpsharp and gaussian blur on chroma channel.

>>148628188
Sharpeners, dot crawl & rainbow filters (for DVDs basically), temporal & spatio-temporal denoisers, and debanders.

What you use depends on what the source requires of course.

>>148628188
Btw, if you're actually interested in learning more about filtering, read this site: http://www.aquilinestudios.org/avsfilters/index.html

It's great.

>>148628611
>>148628490
>>148628342
Thanks, this is useful information. How much of it is placebo / personal preference? I don't like sharpening at all personally.

>>148627383
I don't know. What are BTN, HDB or PTP?

>>148628780
>How much of it is placebo / personal preference?
Probably a little bit, but there are definitely times where the lines have been too smoothed. E.g. http://www.aquilinestudios.org/avsfilters/sharpeners.html#unfilter (if the mouseover comparison works for you).

>>148628780
You don't have to use a sharpening filter if you don't like sharpening, of course.

The less subjective parts of the filtering process (such as IVTC and deinterlacing) are way more important to get right but I don't think there's a good, modern guide to that in English. This is mainly a problem only if you're dealing with DVDs or television caps (or really bad/weird/old BDs); if you only care about modern BD releases, feel free to disregard this.

I didn't know I was on /g/

Speaking of fansubbing, what are /a/'s opinions on these subtitle problems?
>use of proprietary types
>use of the same font for more than one person, particularly when multiple people are speaking in the same scene
>use of different fonts for the same person depending on tone of voice
>use of a type that a rival fansubbing team has already used
>fixed-width vs variable width

>>148629673
>use of proprietary types
>use of a type that a rival fansubbing team has already used
Why would these even matter?

>>148629740
Have you no pride?

>>148590039
>to h264
>not encoding to vp9 and opus

>>148583195
Because no hardware decoder is available for it.
Meaning all decoding most be done via software.
While it sound like gibberish to you it affect playback severely especially if the resolution is in 1080p.
Also HEVC is bad at compression with low bitrates, meaning the file could be several times larger than the same file encoded with H.264.

>>148630257
Are you stupid or retarded?

Nvidia has HEVC hardware decoding since 2015 with GM206 and the entire Pascal family has HEVC hardware decoding

>>148630349
You're right.
I mean no decent Hardware acceleration available for it now at reasonable price.
Also encoding HEVC is very long and CPU intensive.
Though I can get decent playback with mpv and OpenGL on Core i5.

>>148614162
The new cartel are moogy-denka and pals.

https://twitter.com/moogy0

>>148614162
AssAssinated

>>148629673
>>use of proprietary types
Not relevant. If they're already violating copyright with the video and audio, do the typefaces even matter?

>>use of the same font for more than one person, particularly when multiple people are speaking in the same scene
This should be avoided, but sometimes it's clear enough (e.g. if the subtitles don't start at the same time) that it doesn't affect readability too much.

>>use of different fonts for the same person depending on tone of voice
I don't know of any group that does this and it sounds like a terrible idea.

>>fixed-width vs variable width
Proportional typefaces are generally much easier on the eyes.

>>148630490
>>148630349
Adoption and encoding issues are killing HEVC.

GPU decoding is nice and all but not everyone has a gpu capable of that. At least your gamers will get it soon since they're basically on 3 gen cycles.

Everyone else, though, has to wait until CPU hardware decoding which just started with Skylake and even that's only 8-bit HEVC. The fact that most users are like on 5-7 year cycles there doesn't help.

So HEVC is fucked on the decoding side for a few years. End of story.

>>148630257
hwdec is really not necessary if you're not using old as fuck hardware, in which case it's not even available.

>>148631295
>hwdec is really not necessary
If you're talking about "playback" then even snapdragon can pull this off.

Proper playback doesn't mean making the CPU temps reach 90 C.

>>148625355
He also tried to kill TT. Daiz is gone, and TT lives on.

Daiz was a meme.

>>148631441
Who the fuck uses TT?

>>148629816
No when it comes to unauthorized redistributing of cambodian flickbooks.

>>148631295
Nope. Skylake G4400 struggles with 1080p/20mbps/10-bit encodes.

>>148628188
anti aliasing because studios can't into aa filters like shinkai. really few doesn't need aa, mostly the high quality movies that are produced at native 1080p or higher.

lut because sometimes studios overcooked the contrast or brightness, this is rare but happens, as example, to love ru darkness s1&2, sansha sanyou.

chromatic abberation fixing because studios think they are fashionable and just resize the chroma slightly to make it bleed everywhere, example, da capo 3, mahouka koukou, kawaisou.

debanding because 8bit.

adding grains because some studios add digital grains before upscaling their 720pee source and you get huge square blocks for grain. holee shit. example, mouretsu pirates.

dehalo on dvd release, nips like to oversharpen their dvd to hell.

vhs transfer dvd will have rainbow, dotcrawl, etc.

supersampled awarpsharp2 because thinner lines makes 720pee chinese cartoons more hd.

>>148631617
i hope no one reencodes at 20Mbps, but you're lying out the ass when my pentium g3258 can handle bdmv or 1080p 10butt just fine with software decoding at 10% load.
you're doing something wrong.
just get amd instead.
my sandy bridge 1.3GHz ulv laptop can do 10bit 1080 too.

>>148634186
You're lying

HEVC is significantly much more CPU intensive to decode

>>148619422
You can attempt to make the player/decoder skip filters.
Video looks worse, but playback will be fluid.

mplayer has a command line switch for that. No idea about other software.

>>148634186
Well, I'm not OCing and it DOES play but there is a bit of stutter. And I'm talking about HEVC/10-bit/20mbps/1080p using mpv. Not h264 peasantry.

I'm 100% sure 8 bit HEVC will do fine since there's HW decoding on Skylake. And h264 10bit isn't an issue for anything made in the last 4-5 years.

>>148634664
On a g4400 CPU usage goes to 90%. Temps obviously also shoot up to the 52C range using a stock Sandy cooler (new stock ones are even shittier).

>>148583195
x264 was developed with anime in mind. Some of the most important devs were weebs. They were trying to preserve the finest waifu pixels, a very strong motivation to improve the quality.

x265 was developed by pajeets, and only idiots who have no clue about encoding release in it.

>>148635503

>not popping the heatspreader
>not removing the shitty heatpaste
>not using liquid pro instead
>not sanding down the heatspreader
>not having a peltier element under a watercooling block

It's like you don't even overclock.

>>148613469
Install gentoo.

>>148636623

Rather, install mint kde.

Inb4 shitposting, ignore them. Mint KDE is great.

>Most of my fucking TV/movie Rips are now in h265, at half the size for the same quality.
Oh really now.

>>148625926
I find your lack of frameserver disturbing for one.

>>148583195
VCB-studio?

>>148629673
italics are nice to distinguish internal monologue from dialog sometimes

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>>148583565
>>148583195

check out the Magical Nanoha series BDrips on Nyaa. The torrent is over 100 gb, roughly 1GB per episode, and they look near identical to the original BDMVs. Most HEVC encodes I've seen have been complete ass, but whoever did this one really knows his shit. It really proves the worth of this codec to the anime community.

Pic related, frame grab from the first season. Now it is a bit blurry because the series was digitally animated in SD, but notice the COMPLETE lack of blocking or color banding in the gradients here. You don't see this with 10 bit h.264 at five times the bit rate. This is just as good as it gets.

>>148593529
I think a first gen i3 would be fine decoding 24 fps 1080p hevc anime

>not having an i7 6800K
What are you, poor?

>>148620270
It doesn't matter, my old ivy i5 does software decoding no sweat. Really why have they even bothered with this

>>148642448
This.

My ancient as fuck 2500K decode this shit without a sweat.

>>148620270
>January
Thank fuck I just ended up getting Skylake month ago. Screw waiting 3.5 months.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Kaby-Lake-Core-i7-7500U-Review-Skylake-on-Steroids.172692.0.html

>Our demanding 4K trailer (HEVC Main10, 50 Mbps, 60 fps) is handled smoothly by the i7-7500U at an average power consumption of just 3.2 Watts (CPU Package Power), while the video stuttered noticeably on the i7-6600U despite a consumption of 16.5 Watts.

Don't listen to anyone that says you can software decode HEVC, they're lying

>>148641767
Nice blurry shit.

>>148643717
>ULV processors
>good

>>148643736
of fucking course it's blurry, what do you expect from a DVD upscale? I'm talking about colors you pillock

>>148641767
>You don't see this with 10 bit h.264 at five times the bit rate.
Nice claims buddy. Unless you've actually encoded this series in H.264 10-bit with 5 GB episodes and done an ABX test, it means shit.

>>148643717
Yeah, I think my 5820k would barely be able to handle HEVC at those settings. Thank fuck I got 2 1070s in SLI.

Daiz, please. We know you're here.

>>148642273
I have two six core xeons.

Even x265 being numa aware and using all 24 threads and cache efficiently, it's still exponentially slower than a single cpu socket running x264. We're talking like 8fps vs around 50.

>>148631617
that's what you get for not getting amd athlon 845.

>>148641767
>not downscaling this qtec cancer.
opinion discarded.

>>148583195
>So, why aren't we on h265 yet?
Because a lot of people in Asia are watching anime on old phones, tablets and laptops.

Personally I've not updated my MPC in years and I'm OK with slightly larger files, I'm not a murifat with limited internet traffic lmao.

>>148646615
downscale it to 480p from 1080p, and then back up to 1080p with madvr or something shittier? There's no fucking point.

>>148646889
>There's no fucking point.
Other than saving space. 1GB per episode for DVD upscales is retarded.

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>>148643717
Software hevc is easy.
>oh no it dropped a handful of frames when you opened the snipping tool that proves my point
Why don't you grow up and buy a dedicated htpc and other assorted nice things?

>>148647020
I don't care about the space, those gigabytes aren't even worth the time of waiting for it to convert

>>148647050
>No 50Mbps or higher bitrate

>>>/out/

>>148647050
>He uses an OS that doesn't respect his freedom.
Get the fuck out.

>>148605639

>barely compete with the 10 series

Dumbass. The R9 Fury Xs give you 86.6% of a GTX 1080 in most games today.

R9 Fury X: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202155

>399

vs.

GTX 1080: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487244

>649.99

86.6% for 61% less cost. Also, Vega 10 (R9 590X) is expected to come with 16GB of HBM2, which is pretty much integral to running games at 90fps at sub1440p VR resolutions or future 4K VR resolutions.

So, when said card finally comes out, I imagine it will probably sit at 579.99 and will outperform the 1080, matching likely the 1080Ti--while costing still less than the 1080Ti.

I want these cards to come out so that Nvidia will put out a better GPU for less, because competition is important.

>>148646749
I was using a 700 mhz coppermine until 2008, but I didn't complain that people with decent computers were using modern software. There's no reason video should be held back because poorfags. We will always have deadfish and the like to release 8 bit 480p whatever anyway.

>>148648845
Come the fuck on now. We're not talking about a massive leap of quality like we had when we moved from divx to h264.
Nothing is being held back.

At this point switching formats would be simple technophilia wankery.

h264 is good enough. And this is the reason it will remain the main format for anime for at least 5 years more and quite possibly beyond.

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>>148647118
?
60mbps 4k at 60fps. No dropped frames. No stutter. Just perfect.

Should I try something like 120mbps now or are you going to fuck off and get a decent cheap computer to watch things with?

>>148649233
The complete elimination of compression artifacts at normal bit rates IS a big deal. With the newest codecs, digital video is SOLVED like audio was with 44.1 khz/16 bit PCM in the 80s.

>>148649891
>The complete elimination of compression artifacts at normal bit rates IS a big deal.
No it's not. Most people don't even notice the compression artifacts on youtube videos you fucking geek.

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>>148624419

Color depth anon.

8-bit color depth is: 16.7 million colors.

10-bit color depth is: 1.07 billion colors.

12-bit color depth is: 68.7 billion colors.

This is mainly because the technology is moving and more towards OLED screens and ultra thins all to meet the holy grail of HDR for everything on screen.

Pic related is a shot taken via DSLR at 14-bits color depth. The following will be 12-bits.

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>>148648834
>The R9 Fury Xs give you 86.6% of a GTX 1080 in most games today
You fucking wish. the R9 Fury X couldnt keep up with a 980ti, let lone with a card that stomps the latter

>>148650976
>Pic related
Retard.
There's a good amount of people who can't even display 10bit correctly.
Hardware comes first. Graphic card, cable, monitor, it all must be compatible. In most cases there is a weak link in that chain.

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>>148650976

When it comes down to it, you really can't tell that much of a difference--though that is likely the case due to a lack of HDR present for everything on screen. But having 12-bit color depth, would allow you to display the full breadth of HDR on all geometry in a game or environment and objects within a photograph of a natural shot, like pic related (which is now 12-bits).

The average human can only see around 10 million colors, which an 8-bit color depth should satisfy and 10-bits is already overkill. But as technology improves, there's always a drive of being able to do something better. So 12-bits is simply the drive to do better, done under the likely justification of "we're doing it because HDR at 4K & 8K resolutions."

Majority of your movies, games, tv shows, music videos, and anime, won't benefit from it. Not unless the producer or developer actually takes advantage of it.

But Bill Gates did say that nobody will ever need more than 640KB of RAM, and here we are in 2016 talking about 16GB HBM2 for the GPU and 16/32/64GB of RAM for your PC.

>>148651074

>retard
>didn't even wait for me to finish my fucking post

Dipshit.

>>148650829
You and 'most people' have no business discussing video codecs then

>>148651212
Retard means slow. Your post came too late.
I'll stick with calling you a retard.
If you post a picture and explain to people "this is 14bit color depth" then that's what you deserve to be judged on.

>>148651173
>16GB HBM2 for the GPU and 16/32/64GB of RAM for your PC.
Yet the PC market has stagnated because people aren't changing their perfectly usable PC from 2008

>>148651328
>because people aren't changing their perfectly usable PC from 2008
No, it's because of consoles and games being targeted at them.

>>148651173
>Bill Gates did say that nobody will ever need more than 640KB of RAM
he was right tho, most productivity stuff could be easily done in that much.

>>148583316
This.

Daiz turned out to be the biggest jew along with Jakob. He is trying to make money hand over fist with anything he does instead of bettering the scene. It's dumb because without others that freely helped him he would be nothing.

>>148651043


Benchmarks always vary a little bit form site to site. But for the sake of your proof, I'll concede the point of 86.6%.

That said, with the exception of Shadow of Mordor, in all titles in that shot, the R9 Fury X gives you well over 60fps in majority of the titles. In which case, it's just dickwaving at that point.

>>148651328

Your rebuttal did LITERALLY NOTHING to disprove my point. In 2008, we had DDR2 which came in flavors all the way up to 32GB for the consumer market.

That said, "people aren't changing their perfectly usable PCs from 2008". Yeah, no. Don't be obnoxiously autistic.

>>148651308

See: >>148650976

>Pic related is a shot taken via DSLR at 14-bits color depth. The following will be 12-bits.

>THE FOLLOWING WILL BE 12-bits.

Literally prefaced my post that there would be a followup you autistic twat.

>>148651444
>in all titles in that shot,[] in majority of the titles.
I hate when people do this sort of shit.

>>148651426

Hahaha, no.

Go design Visio, Project, and Powerpoint, to all be run within 640KB of RAM.

>>148651556

Yeah, my bad. English is hard when you're raging.

>>148651525
>>THE FOLLOWING WILL BE 12-bits.
>Literally prefaced my post that there would be a followup
Do you even understand the criticism?
It doesn't matter if you post a second image. That doesn't change that the first image will not be 14bit to most anons.
Think for a moment.

>>148651616

That literally is the point you fucking moron.

>it doesn't matter

It does, because of what the second post details.

You basically interrupted someone before they could finish their thought by stating "well you're wrong because I said so."

>>148651386
>muh games
You do realize that personal computers are generic machines?

>>148651444
>Your rebuttal did LITERALLY NOTHING to disprove my point. In 2008, we had DDR2 which came in flavors all the way up to 32GB for the consumer market.
The increase has slowed down.