ITT: We post misunderstood good guys.

>>148174057
He was a pussy, which is worse than being misunderstood.

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>>148174057

Griffith was neither good nor evil. He was a force of causality.

>>148176936
Do you mean to imply that men have no control over their own destiny, like as if the hand of god hovers above them?
Because that's just plain ridiculous.

>>148177484

When referring to Griffith, yes. It was foreshadowed and everyone knew that he was only invested in obtaining one thing.

>>148177619
>he was only invested in obtaining one thing
Which is?

>>148174057
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Higurashi sure did fuck her up good.

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>>148178301

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he was incel

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>>148174146
>you're tortured horribly for a year
>to the point where you're literally an emaciated skeleton who will live as a vegetable for the rest of your miserable life
>your friends are so full of pity for you that one is planning to abandon you again and the other is going to be your babysitter
>not jumping on the chance to be reborn as a badass demon lord and kick their shit in

He was in the right until he raped Casca. That was just pointlessly cruel.

>>148174057
My problem with Griffith is how much of a twat he is. I'm not speaking of the eclipse, rather his whole character is just a pretentious scumbag.
>he cried and raped a princess when a dude decided to live his own life
>he considers the lives of his comrades expendable
>goes to great extent to fuck with Guts
>becomes a God and still wants a country
>his ghost fuckery
>replaces his dead friends with the monsters that killed them

Seriously, this dude is now amongst the 5 most powerful beings in existence, doesn't he have better shit to do?

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>>148174057
Donovan is by far the most misunderstood good guy in Berserk.

>>148179051
Look I'm no Griffithfag but
>raped a princess
U fokin wot

>>148178750
>He was in the right until he raped Casca
I'm sure there was a plan behind that too. He will inevitably be proven to be innocent, no doubt.

>>148179051
>raped a princess
She was clearly enjoying it. Also, Berserk is based on various medieval societies. Sex wasn't always as consensual as it is today. Woman didn't have the same sexual liberty that millennials take for granted.

This >>148178750, who in their right mind wouldn't have did what Griffith did.

>>148178750
He didn't rape her. He graced her with his body she desired since forever.

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>>148176936
Good and evil is all about morals and where those morals lie. Griffith is all super cool with killing masses amount of people to obtain what he desires, but those morals are contradicted by Guts' own set of morals. These characters are multi-faceted and, most of the time, morally gray but leans towards one side: either good or evil.

>>148178368
She's not a Higurashi character though. She's the trashcan of a Higurashi character

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>>148179888
>sacrificing your comrades and raping someone in front of their significant other isn't objectively evil

>>148179441
The plan for That was already revealed. It allowed him to use the demon child as a vessel when the egg shaped apostle ate it.

>>148178750
>sacrifying thousands of men is fine but raping one girl is a no-no

>>148180010
Oh yeah. So he actually really truly literally did nothing wrong after all.

>>148180068
Men are the disposable sex, dontcha know?

>>148180086
Now that you mention it, yeah.

Everyone he sacced was willing to die for his cause anyway. He would have let down all the men who died on his behalf before the eclipse if he hadn't gone through with it. Guess there's a difference between dying of your own volition on a battlefield and being sacrificed, but if that distinction doesn't bother you then he's clear.

>>148179964
>their significant other
>their
Casca never belonged to Guts. She liked Griffith.

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post yfw when griffith finally dies

>>148174057

This manga deserved a better adaptation.

Fuck I hope I at least get to see non retarded Casca in my lifetime.

>>148180201
>Everyone he sacced was willing to die for his cause anyway
Nice meme. Do you think they'd all have gone "ok Griffith" if he told them he'd sacrifice them to monsters? They were workers. Mercenaries. "Good" mercenaries but still mercenaries who fought to bring food on the table. Also for their leader, but not only for him.

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>>148180337
Delicious Griffithfag tears

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>>148180337

Rickert bitch slap already gave me a pure catharsis moment.

>>148180350
You will never see a better adaption now thanks to Studio 4c.

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>>148180337
>post yfw when griffith sacrifices himself to destroy the god hand and the idea of evil bringing humanity into a new age of peace and prosperity

>>148180350
There's always next year anon. :'(

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As per tradition.
>Captcha is to select trains

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>>148180436
Guts will literally have to make him forget about his dream first after fucking him up.

>Casca will probably jump in front of Griffith right before Guts delivers the final blow asking him to choose between his revenge and her..

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>World rapidly degenerating into a cesspool without meaning, beauty, or wonder in life, where heroes are becoming scarcer and scarcer to the point that eventually they won't be able to be born at all.
>Humanity's oldest hero is revived by a turn of fate, decides to avert that horrible fate and save Mankind.
>Is ruthlessly murdered by a traumatized orphan who is the embodiment of everything wrong with the World at its current stage of development.
>Mankind will now either go extinct or become a race of fleas living in a world without struggle, difficulty, conflict, new ideas, or meaning, where everyone is equally shitty and excellence is unheard of.

Gilgamesh did literally nothing wrong.

>>148180426
CG is ruining anime. Studios who make CG shows should be purged.

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>>148180337
GRIIIIIFFFIRGTZGEGIJr

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He was trying to make the world a better place

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>>148180436
>>post yfw when griffith sacrifices himself to destroy the god hand and the idea of evil bringing humanity into a new age of peace and prosperity

Good fucking riddance.

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>>148180436
And nobody will remember him probably except maybe a few people.

>>148180522
>World rapidly degenerating into a cesspool without meaning, beauty, or wonder in life, where heroes are becoming scarcer and scarcer to the point that eventually they won't be able to be born at all
Are you describing a fictional world, or the real world?

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>>148179964
I did not say that. I said that these characters did fall in a category, either they're good or evil. Obviously, I agree that Griffith is evil and that Guts is good.

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>>148180512
>Casca will probably jump in front of Griffith right before Guts delivers the final blow asking him to choose between his revenge and her..
pic related

>>148174057
Griffith went from lawful neutral (wants to inspire followers to help him become stronger) to chaotic neutral (abandons his team to fuck a princess and brood about his ex-boyfriend) to true neutral (becomes Femto, a force of nature). I never saw him as particularly heroic or villainous. Using the magic evil egg seemed out of his control at the time even if he did have to consciously "choose" to use it.

>>148178393
>filename
my sides

>>148180566
Nigger he wasn't trying to accomplish shit, he just wanted a war.

Good Guy, HAHAHAHHAHAH, Good-Guy
.....Nice joke !

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>>148180602
Both.

>tfw Mankind is literally given a glorious golden King to save them from their massive fuck-ups and decadence, and they respond by having a "Hero of Justice" kill him for the crime of trying to save humanity from mediocrity and decay.

>>148180633
>Griffith is evil and that Guts is good
But Guts is a black wolf, whereas Griffith is a white eagle.

>>148180512

I think Grif still has feelings for Guts, Guts was the only person he loved and had almost a real friendship going on.

Guts strength will probably fuck Griffith again and make him realize how much of a piece of shit he actually his.

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>>148180634

>Casca was pregnant with Guts baby when Femto raped her
>His demon semen corrupted the baby
>Griffith was reincarnated from the baby
Is Griffith his own dad?

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>>148180715
>tfw griffith is jesus

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>>148180682
>black wolf, whereas Griffith is a white eagle
Um, don't remember them being furries in the mango.

>>148180645
>my sides
mac n' cheese and green beans

>>148180824
If Griffith is Jesus who's the Antichrist?

>>148180522
>World rapidly degenerating into a cesspool without meaning, beauty, or wonder in life, where heroes are becoming scarcer and scarcer to the point that eventually they won't be able to be born at all.
I hate to say this, but this is the future WE chose. Humanity got redpilled by technology and casting off religious restrictions, but instead of using their newfound knowledge to attain greater heights than ever before, it didn't know what to do with it and so decayed.

It's like this Klingon quote I always love. It goes basically like this "A culture, or society, is like a living thing, It either continues to grow, or it dies." There is no such thing as a living thing in a perpetual state of limbo, else it wouldn't be considered living. Humanity is a critical point, it can either grow outwards, and surpass the small rock of it's birth, or it will most certainly destroy itself. It is delusion to think anything else could happen.

tl;dr, Gilgamesh was fucking right.

>>148180957
Void.

I've only read a few chapters of the manga but does Casca ever stop being retard moe. Also, what exactly is wrong with her. What is her mental age? Was her memory wiped? Is her condition getting better? Lastly, how exactly did Griffith do this to her.

From what I've heard from my psychology professor is that hollywood has an obsession with things like long term amnesia and multiple-personalities but those things don't actually happen in the real world. My professor also said that Freud's theory about repressing memories was bullshit.

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>>148180694
She'd deserve it too

>>148181039
who gives a shit about the real world in a fantasy magical world manga

>>148180416

I seriously jizzed a little.

How dare you betray pure Rickert.

>>148181039
There's no psychology to it. She was raped literally and metaphorically by Griffith's magic. We don't know exactly why she lost all her memories and we probably won't get an explanation. So far she's seen no signs of improvement in cognitive function because MAGIC.

>>148181106
I don't care about it that sense. I like learning about the art of storytelling. Berserk is a story that has a lot of philosophy and religious undertones. I'm hoping that they have a valid explanation for what happened to Casca.

>>148181039
She was raped by Satan and his minions and former love crush and commander. I think Miura give him her Downs was his way of making the reader realize that is a fucked up magic curse.


Its fucking magic.


Btw I only now realized the brand on both of them is the symbol of the Holy Seal.

>>148181217
I once entertained the idea that as soon as she was raped she was mentally swapped by her demonic unborn son and her actual Ego\Id went to the Astral world and is in stasis.

>>148181319
>Ego\Id
Hehe. It's probably ironic that a psychology professor might also interpret that as Freudian bullshit.

>>148181039
>long term amnesia and multiple-personalities but those things don't actually happen in the real world
Yes they fucking do, you idiot. The human mind is like a biological computer. You can lock or delete information, and you can create virtual machines.

You do know what a virtual machine is, right?

>>148181199
Casca needs to man up. Out of all the messed up things that happened in Berserk, the stuff that happened to Casca is probably only the 8th worse thing that has happened. Guts getting rapped and sold out by his own father as a little boy was pretty messed up. Or how about Griffith being tortured for a year, being turned into a vegitable, and having all of his dreams taken from him.

Only neoplatonists here.

>>148181398
>Hehe. It's probably ironic that a psychology professor might also interpret that as Freudian bullshit.
Your professor sounds like a drooling fucking retard. A supernatural soul probably doesn't exist, but the collection of electrons which make up your Ego/ID are very real.

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>>148181446
Guts isn't a good standard. Even when his mind gives up, his body wont let him.

>>148181487
No shit. But Freud introduced the terms "ego" and "id" in psychology. Obviously in the manga it isn't meant to be the same idea, but in psychology the terms are strictly Freudian and also bullshit.

>>148181587
This anon is clearly in his "Freud is shit" phase. Its a fun time.

I bet you think all Religion is also evil.

>>148181436
>The human mind is like a biological computer. You can lock or delete information, and you can create virtual machines.
[Citation needed] Our brains don't store memories in the same way that computers do. As far as we know, memory is a constant process of rebuilding.

There have been various models that have been proposed on memory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atkinson%E2%80%93Shiffrin_memory_model

I know what you were trying to say, but claiming that our memory is like a computer is at best an oversimplification and at worse a misunderstanding. Let me ask you a question: how many windows were on the front of the house you grew up in as a child. Now tell me, how many windows the house across the street had. If memory was like a "biological computer" as you claim, then surely you can dig through a few directories and quickly give me an answer. I took PSYC1011, don't fuck with me bro.

>>148181837
Not him but
>Let me ask you a question: how many windows were on the front of the house you grew up in as a child. Now tell me, how many windows the house across the street had. If memory was like a "biological computer" as you claim, then surely you can dig through a few directories and quickly give me an answer.
it's RAM, gets purged after a while

>>148181837
Maybe it is like a "super computer" ( I personally dont think so ) but running right now with a power source like a solar panel from a calculator.

>>148181587
Regardless of the mistakes he made. Freud was on the right path.
>>148181716
I'll be honest, religion is pretty fucking shitty, but there was a time when it had it's purpose, that is to rally humanity together so they could work on new ideas. Once it starts limiting and holding back the advancement of humanity, and in some cases actively destroying it like the violent factions of Christianity, and of course islam, it should be put away like an obsolete tool that has no use when everyone has advanced machines.

Religion isn't the same as morality either, and your morality shouldn't be dependent on religion but on your own conscience. Now, religion did help humanity stop being retards and also made some pretty cool shit, but as it is today most people abuse the use of religion and it really just needs to be put to rest.
>>148181837
Obviously I was simplifying it you fucking retard. Our brain "is" a computer, but it isn't exactly the same as the computers we use. Nevertheless, most of it's functions can be roughly equated to a computer.

The house I lived in as a child had 4 windows on the front, 2 in the living room, 1 in my parents bedroom which was downstairs, and 1 in the upstairs bedroom. Across the street was at first just trees, then later a church was built with only one window on the front.

>>148181959
>it's RAM, gets purged after a while
Sorry but that comparison is ridiculous.

>>148181837
Computers lose memory over time just like we do. Take a comp sci class and then come back to argue.

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>>148181837
>I took PSYC1011, don't fuck with me bro.
Watch out guys, we got a badass over here.

>>148182009
Why? It's not like I think our mind works like a computer, but the fact we forget things isn't a proof. Computers can, and do erase useless or obsolete data.

>>148182075
I'll have you know I currently have over 12 wikipedia tabs open about this topic

>>148182126
Fucking hardcore. My laptop can't even handle that.

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Yoshi Kira

He just wanted to live a quiet life and people forced him to fight even though he didn't want to. If the Stardust Crusaders didn't start CHASEing him he wouldn't have ever had to kill anyone.

>>148182021
I'm a CS major with 5 years of professional coding experience. This thread is making me laugh. It's a bunch of people talking about stuff they don't know about.

You guys make memory sound so simple. I'll listen to you guys. Let me just go and slap together a neural network. This is so easy, I think I'll have strong AI by tomorrow.

>>148182126
Teachers always say Wikipedia is shit but it's more exhaustive than their shitty courses when you take a look at it

>>148182208
Waving your Linux dick around isn't a valid argument. I'd expect a techie to be more rational than that.

>>148181837
>>148182005
Here she is. Notice the living room windows, they're very close together but they have a small bit of brick wall between them.

There's also a 6 inch drop when you turn left into the living room on the first floor.

>>148182208
Are you the same guy that took PSYC1011?

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>>148182264
fuck, meant to post this
>inb4 ban for off topic discussion on /a/

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He is a nice guy, only want hopEeEeEeEeE!!!

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>>148182215
truly

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>>148182433
>Wikipedia's mascot
>this is an actual thing
oh my god

>>148182259
Let's just review how we got to this point. A question was raised about the logistics of Casca losing her memories >>148181039. In a response to this question someone made an absurd claim >>148181436 about the human brain's ability to "lock and delete information".

Now I ask this, when was the last time you saw someone "delete" a bad memory. Maybe in anime you can do that, but in the real world it doesn't work like that. If we could delete memories, all girls who get raped would simply wipe their memories like Casca did. Do you see now why it is absurd to bring up computers to explain Casca's memory or human memory in general. Perceptrons are kind of like how our brain works. With perceptrons you at least have a data structure that resembles the neurons in our brain.

And don't even get me started about what he said about virtual machines. The fuck does that even mean in regards to the real world. Our brains do not have anything that resemble a virtual machine nor do we have the ability to create anything that is like a virtual machine.

>>148182005
I dare you to go to /lit/ or /sci/ and make the same oversimplifications about memory that you made in this thread. They would tear you a new one. I would do it myself, but I have work in the morning. Just don't compare memory to computers. Specifically, do not compare the human brain to a harddrive. The way our memories are stored are far too complex to be compared to a PC or operating system. As mentioned before, we still are not fully aware of how the brain stores and processes memories. Do you even know what the "Parallel Distributed Processing Model" is? Take a cognitive psychology class and a few CS data structure courses before talking about computers and memories. Can a computer be made to emulate our brain, yes. Do current operating systems or machine language resemble our brain, no. Perhaps if you were more specific and mentioned perceptrons, then that analogy would make more sense. Saying a computer is like a brain is the equivalent of saying that a heart is like a hot air ballon. It is such an absurd oversimplification.

>>148182301
Yup.

>>148178750
Do you remember why he got tortured? He was fuckin livid after guts left, completely his fault. I don't know how you can justify misogynistic socopaths.

>>148180261
there was one explicit point where she confessed to be in love with guts, griffith was more of an obsession

>>148181508
Wtf I thought that was Casca just looking at it.

>>148182717
>when was the last time you saw someone "delete" a bad memory
Okay, I kind of see where you were going. You're saying that people can't just lock/delete memories at will, right? Yeah, I get that. Obviously that's not possible as far as we know. But the brain itself has in certain cases acted independently of someones will and locked or deleted information.
>>148183752
I never meant to assume that human brains and computers are 100% the same, and only an autist would take what I said 100% literally. But the fact still remains that the brain can have things locked, deleted, and create more than one person. It doesn't work or happen anything like a computer, but the fact that it can happen still remains the same.

Maybe he was saying that it didn't make sense if casca could delete or lock memories of her own will, but if he's saying no one ever lost memories from the shock of traumatic events, and that brains always run 100% perfectly, then he really is just a fucking retard and I stand by my claim.

>>148186472
*Create more than one person in the sense that there are multiple, to use laymens terms "souls" in the same brain.

>>148174057
>Literally ruins his and everyone he knows' lives because his man-crush needed to go find himself.
>"Good guy"

>>148187454
He went off to get stronger, not to "find himself". "Finding yourself" is what women call it when they're being irresponsible sluts riding on the dick carousel before settling down with a provider beta male in their 30s.

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>>148182588

>hownew.ru

>>148187654
Fuck that's lewd

>>148180680
>golden king
Yuck. No wonder he lost.

If he's not brown, then he ain't gonna stick around.

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>>148181039
Guriffithu fucked her brains out. It's that simple.

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>>148174057
Fuck you Joestars.
The guy manages to come back from his undersea grave after a 100 years of agonizing hunger, he makes a pretty chill life for himself in 4 years, only killing women because hey he's a vampire he's gotta eat, and rescuing miserable people from despair like N'Doul and Pucci, and then you decide you just had to kill him because "muh evil incarnate and Holly is dying".

>>148187638
>"Finding yourself" is what women call it when they're being irresponsible sluts riding on the dick carousel before settling down with a provider beta male in their 30s.
>>>/r9k/
No one gives a shit here because real women are not our problem. Let them do what they want as long as they leave us in peace.

>>148188537
I'm not saying you should care, I'm saying that's what that term means. Language is important, and using terms correctly is important for efficient communication to take place.

>>148188486
After reading Stone Ocean I think Jotaro was a fucking asshole.

>>148188581
>I'm saying that's what that term means
Only on shitty places like /r9k/. No one else uses it like that. Because no one else is pathetic enough to blame women free will for all of their problems.

>>148182588
In June 2007, a suggestive image of Wikipe-tan was proposed to be used in the article on lolicon. The image was removed[11] from Commons by Jimbo Wales, who called Wikipe-tan a "community mascot" who should not be subject to such "pedophilic sexualization". Kasuga later drew a new image for the article which did not use Wikipe-tan.
Loyal as fuck to his waifu.

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>>148174057
His plan to control Deloyer would have worked if Destin didn't go mad at the end and shoot him.

>>148188648
>no one else is pathetic enough to blame women free will for all of their problems
Awhatnow? You seem upset. I'm sorry that you take objective definitions so personally, sounds like you have a problem with reality.

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Literally a hero.

>>148188753

Everyone in this anime is a fucking pleb. Classic example of the writers having their heads up their asses.

>>148187638
Good chunk of women in their 30's are without those provider beta males.
Can find plenty of cock, but not a single one of them want's to stick around for longer then a few fucks.

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He didn't do a single thing wrong.

>>148188911
I don't recall ever stating or implying that "all women do X", so I'm not sure what it is you think you're arguing against.

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Junko is a gud girl, she dindu nuffin

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>>148174057

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The Punisher MHA version